Difference in linens?
Angela / Kentucky
helped by selling me some small samples. I HATED linen until I received
these samples. Apparently 'linen' is nowhere near the same as Cashel and
Belfast. The Belfast sample I received looks similar to Jobelan but is very
soft and has small nubs (very small in the sample I received). Quite
lovely. The 'linen' I've received in the past was very scratchy and stiff.
I'm sure there are others here that can give you better info but I'm hoping
this helps a bit :-)
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Angela V.
Elizabethtown, KY USA
Jean C. <je...@monroe.net> wrote in message
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> Could someone tell me the difference in the various linens. The first
> project I've ever done on linen is being done on Dublin. I want to
> stitch all of my future projects on linens but I can't really make an
> informed decision since I don't know what the differences are. I don't
> have a LNS near me (the ONLY one closed the end of spring) so I have
> to order online...therefore I can't look or touch the fabrics before I
> buy.
>
> Thanks!!!
>
> -Jean
Jean C.
Karen Tetreault
wicked ways! Maybe if you posted the area you live in someone can adopt
you!
Karen Tetreault
Lesa & Mark Steele
Cashel is Zweigarts name for 28ct linen; Belfast is their 32ct linen.
Edinburgh is the 36ct from Zweigart. Dublin is 25ct.
Jobelan is not a linen but a cotton/poly<?> blend. Lugana (100% cotton
evenweave) now comes in various count (25, 28, 32). Lugana used to be 25ct
only with other names (Brittany comes to mind for the 32ct) being used for
the other 100% cotton evenweaves. Poly blends will have more of a drape
than any of the other (natural) fiber fabrics. Linen usually has some
degree of nubs/slubs.
Other importers usually just refer to their linens by count. Permin/Wichelt
and Norden Crafts do this for example.
I use Cashel and (usually) Belfast almost exclusively because I like the
hand and the tight weave. Some of the other linens have much too loose of a
weave IMO. I would prefer not to see alot of light when I hold it up. I
also prefer Zweigart becuause the slubs are smaller and less prevelant
throughout. The cloth is softer as well.....Permin is incredibly stiff to
my liking. Stiff linens is not something I like!
Then of course theres the companies who use the various linens and dye them.
If you don't know what "brand" (ie Zweigart or Permin, etc) they're using,
just ask.
If you visit the Zweigart page, you'll find lots of useful information :-)
http://www.zweigart.com/
Another page of interest:
http://www.wichelt.com/
Hope I haven't confused. Theres alot of information available. I just
hoped to touch on the basics :-)
Lesa
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Angela / Kentucky <arv...@kvnet.org> wrote in message
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>>Cashel is Zweigarts name for 28ct linen; Belfast is their 32ct linen.
>>Edinburgh is the 36ct from Zweigart. Dublin is 25ct.
Thanks so much for this information. In the past year I've tried several
pieces on linen and have always thought the fabric was too stiff. So much so
that I had problems using my Q-Snaps with it. Washing the stiff linen didn't
even seem to help. Next time I see my LNS owner I will ask her what brand of
linen she's selling. I always thought linen was linen. I guess not.
*****Sorry for the previous post. I goofed royally.**************
KER
I'm in a similar situation so I'm contacting different stores that sell
off the bolt and/or have lessons to see if they can provide me with
inexpensive samples/remnants of a variety of fabrics.
I'm in Canada and am looking for Canadian stores. So far Mrs.
Twitchett's Eye at www.mrstwitchett.mb.ca/ has responded that they can
send six different 6"x6" pieces at between $2-$3 Cnd each. The
Cross-Stitch Cupboard at www.cross-stitch.ca/ has also offered to make
up a selection based on the amount of money I want to spend. I am sure
you could find other stores willing to do this so you can get a feel for
the fabric before ordering a large amount.
Best wishes,
Ker
Jean C. wrote in message <38111e69...@news.monroe.net>...
Arliss Link
rayon. I absolutely refuse to stitch on 100% cotton anymore, but I like
lugana.
I do prefer a good linen, particularly Belfast, to any other fabric.
Charles Craft is NOT a good linen. I tried it once and just hated it.
Arliss
Lesa & Mark Steele wrote:
>
> Cashel is Zweigarts name for 28ct linen; Belfast is their 32ct linen.
> Edinburgh is the 36ct from Zweigart. Dublin is 25ct.
>
> Jobelan is not a linen but a cotton/poly<?> blend. Lugana (100% cotton
> evenweave) now comes in various count (25, 28, 32). Lugana used to be 25ct
> only with other names (Brittany comes to mind for the 32ct) being used for
> the other 100% cotton evenweaves.
<snipped the rest>
Lesa & Mark Steele
for my wonderful memory <LOL!>.
The fiber content however varies depending on count. I now have my book
in front of me for reference!
Annabelle would be the 28ct 100% cotton; Jubliee is also 100% cotton 28ct;
Linda is 27ct 100% cotton. I don't think I've ever seen the Annabelle.
Also, forgot to add Cork to the list of linens, its 18ct. This is great for
learning drawn thread technique. I think Linda Driskoll uses it for her
samplers.
Lesa
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Kim McAnnally
Do you know I just found out something else about that linen? I had warned
customers that "Wichelt linen is more stiff and scratchy than Zweigart linen"
because that is the way all the Wichelt that came through here was. BUT I just
got some in from Wichelt that is very soft - feels like Belfast! So, I've come
to believe the color has something to do with the feel of the linen. Maybe the
way it is dyed? Or perhaps they just didn't put as much sizing on this one...
Kim
>Quite >lovely. The 'linen' I've received in the past was very scratchy and
stiff. >
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feel of it!!
Kim
>
>I hate to disagree with you, Lesa, but lugana is 52% cotton and 48%
>rayon. I absolutely refuse to stitch on 100% cotton anymore, but I like
>lugana.
Angela / Kentucky
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Kim McAnnally <fabr...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Angela :)
> Do you know I just found out something else about that linen? I had warned
> customers that "Wichelt linen is more stiff and scratchy than Zweigart
linen"
> because that is the way all the Wichelt that came through here was. BUT I
just
> got some in from Wichelt that is very soft - feels like Belfast! So, I've
come
> to believe the color has something to do with the feel of the linen. Maybe
the
> way it is dyed? Or perhaps they just didn't put as much sizing on this
one...
> Kim
>
> >Quite >lovely. The 'linen' I've received in the past was very scratchy
and
> stiff. >
>
>
Elizabeth
>Also, forgot to add Cork to the list of linens, its 18ct.
Cork is actually 19 ct (like it really matters....) -- I did the old BH&G Tea
Party design over-one on Cork. It's lovely!
Elizabeth
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity..."
(remove 'spamless' to reply)
Jean C.
stores you found in the western part of Canada? I live in the Seattle
area so it might not be too hard to get them to do the same for me if
I pay the postage.
Thanks, again!
-Jean
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:57:56 -0400, "KER" <kr...@vaxxinedeleteme.com>
wrote:
Lesa & Mark Steele
pass the info on.
Zweigart has a terrific book (a notebook really) of *all* their fabric types
with representative swatches (actual swatches) of each color. Its a great
reference and I'm sure it most save them alot of money in sending out comp
samples to designers. These are available to established designers and
shopowners/distributors only.
Theres also another printed book which is very nice. It has photographs of
the fabrics in every color. Now don't go "poo-pooing" this one away. It
too is a terrific reference...and obtainable :-) The pics are pretty much
true-to-life. And its and heavy paper so is very sturdy. A must (IMO) for
any serious stitcher.
Some people have mentioned the pages Wichelt sells. These are a nice thing
to have, but are incomplete. You'll get an indea of the fabrics, but not of
all the colors available. When I had a shop though, I sold *many* sets of
these. People always like having *something* to refer to. Me included!
Nordic Needle carries the Zweigart sample reference book or contact Zweigart
directly for info. The Wichelt page would probably have info for shops in
your area that can order (most shops probably don't stock them) their
reference sheets. Or I'm sure Kim can help out of that one if you prefer
:-)
Nordic Needle use to do little tiny swatches. Not sure if they still do
though. And I think Sue Lentz may too?
Marylee Klinkhammer
$35 which updates their binder of fabric swatches. This covers a two year
period of updates and new fabric sample swatches. Again, they do this for
LNS owners and established designers.
I agree with Lesa about Zweigart's notebook and photo book, they are both
irreplaceable resources for a stitcher or designer.
Charles Craft also has a notebook of available products, as does Crafter's
Pride/Daniel Enterprises. I get alot of ideas for pre-finished items from
these books. Your LNS may be able to order one for you.
Marylee
Lesa & Mark Steele wrote in message ...
Teresa
really good. It has one small swatch of each of the fabrics, and then a
list, with color pix, of all the available colors in each fabric. You
can order it direct from them- I use mine all the time!
HTH
Teresa/LadyDoc
Jean C.
Do you have an address or URL for them, Teresa?
Thanks,
-Jean
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 16:50:07 -0700, Teresa <tc...@philly.infi.net>
wrote:
Karen Thompson
carry; most are about $2.50 a page, I think. I have the Cashel and
Belfast pages, and also some non-linens like Jobelan and Lugana. This
way I can tell what the color names mean. They have actual samples of
the fabric, not just a picture on them, but they're only about 1 inch
square, and are glued down, so it might not help a lot with the "feel"
of them.
Karen
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:57:56 -0400, "KER" <kr...@vaxxinedeleteme.com>
wrote:
>Hi Jean!
>
>I'm in a similar situation so I'm contacting different stores that sell
>off the bolt and/or have lessons to see if they can provide me with
>inexpensive samples/remnants of a variety of fabrics.
>
>I'm in Canada and am looking for Canadian stores. So far Mrs.
>Twitchett's Eye at www.mrstwitchett.mb.ca/ has responded that they can
>send six different 6"x6" pieces at between $2-$3 Cnd each. The
>Cross-Stitch Cupboard at www.cross-stitch.ca/ has also offered to make
>up a selection based on the amount of money I want to spend. I am sure
>you could find other stores willing to do this so you can get a feel for
>the fabric before ordering a large amount.
>
>Best wishes,
>Ker
>
Kim McAnnally
just added a new page) page book from Wichelt with actual samples of all the
fabrics they carrry (and the do carry some Zweigart fabrics also). It is a good
bit less than $92! Granted, you have to buy it all and spend it all at once,
but it comes in a nice three ring binder and also has some fabric information
with it. Email for any help you may need.
Kim
>
>Nordic Needle sells pages of samples of the different linens they
>carry; most are about $2.50 a page, I think
Lesa & Mark Steele
about. I beleieve Lydia said they will not be able to order more. Price is
$14.95.
Lesa
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Kim McAnnally
they? I have one of those around here somewhere too. They are nice if you can't
get the actual sample books.
Kim
>
>Wyndham Needleowrks has 10 copies of the Zweigart books I was speaking
>about. I beleieve Lydia said they will not be able to order more. Price is
Cathe Ray
and content, go to http://www.needlestack.com/ and look in the
Fabric page. There is a Fabric List (in PDF format) that contains
most of the common fabrics. If you find something missing or
incorrect, please let me know.
Cathe
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Karen Thompson
lugana 25, for example. Are you telling me there are 36.8 (92 divided
by 2.50) different types of fabrics out there? And these are actual
fabric samples, too, although each is only about 1 inch square. I'm
not knocking whatever book you have, but for me, I just bought about 4
of those pages, for $10 total, and I have a pretty good selection of
samples of colors for the fabrics I use most frequently (Cashel,
Belfast, lugana and jobelan)
Karen
On 27 Oct 1999 20:30:24 GMT, fabr...@aol.com (Kim McAnnally) wrote:
>Ok, that works out to $92 for the whole book - I have a 37 (actually 38, they
>just added a new page) page book from Wichelt with actual samples of all the
>fabrics they carrry (and the do carry some Zweigart fabrics also). It is a good
>bit less than $92! Granted, you have to buy it all and spend it all at once,
>but it comes in a nice three ring binder and also has some fabric information
>with it. Email for any help you may need.
>Kim
>
>>
>>Nordic Needle sells pages of samples of the different linens they
>>carry; most are about $2.50 a page, I think
>
>
bds-pds
free. Perhaps they should follow what home decorating places do which is
customer service for women!!!!!!!!!!! Men would not pay for a sample.
Sometimes I wonder why we let them get by with that! On to complaints of
dry cleaning higher for women's articles as well!
Ha-- save that for another day I guess!
Kindred spirit,barbara
Karen Thompson wrote in message <38187c7f...@news.mindspring.com>...
Laurie L.
do have to make ends meet. It's not exactly a lucrative market, where all
one has to do is open a LNS and sell like crazy. Hence the troubling trend
of LNS closing down across the country (North America in my instance).
If the manufacturers and distributors made these samples available to the
shops, I'm sure the shops such as Nordic Needle etc would be more than happy
to make these samples avaible at no cost. If DMC Corp. made those sample
books available at no cost, the stores then will do that, but DMC do sell
the books to the LNS at a wholesale price, and the LNS has to make a return
on it. Those free holiday patterns from MLI and Mirabilia were made free
because the designers provided them for free.
That's likely why the home decorating places offer their samples for free...
they get them free in the first place.
I've gotten a free samples from my LNS when I asked what the difference
between certain fabrics, and the wonderful lady grabbed scissors and clip
off some samples from the remnants (roll ends) she had on hand. But Ididn't
ask for free samples, it was a pleasant free education.
Kim McAnnally
it has more than one type of fabric, and it has samples of all the colors in
all the counts of each type of fabric.
Kim
>
>I'm not sure how you figured $92? Each page has all the colors for
>lugana 25, for example. Are you telling me there are 36.8 (92 divided
>by 2.50) different types of fabrics out ther