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lvann

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May 15, 2002, 9:11:44 AM5/15/02
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Hi all! Well, just so that there was no trouble when I go to fly to
NYC, I called the airline AND the airport, AND the security company!! I
can take a cross-stitch kit, but they don't allow pointed-end scissors.
I was told that the actualy needle is nothing they would stop me for,
but that I need to either bring "safety scissors" (kids scissors) or
something else to cut the thread. I asked if I could bring nail
clippers, and the gentleman at the security company said that there
would be no problem.

So....happy dancing as I am hoping to finally finish the wizard that has
taken 6 months so far <sigh>.

Larisa

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May 15, 2002, 11:06:30 AM5/15/02
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Nail clippers that have a nail file may be confiscated. There is a nail
clipper that does not have a file which is what I have in my travel bag. I
also have a clover pendant. I put three needles into the edge of the fabric
and have not had any problems so far.

George

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souls of men?" -- Leo Tolstoy, The Raid, 1853

Cynthia

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May 15, 2002, 2:48:28 PM5/15/02
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In USA today, the 5/1 or 5/2 issue, there was an article entitled "What Flies
Now and What Doesn't". This article listed the items that were allowed/not
allowed on airlines and was based on a list released by the Transportation
Security Administration on 4/30. Following is what was on the allowed list:

Pets - if permitted by airlines
Walking canes and umbrellas
Nail clippers WITH files attached
Nail files
Tweezers
Safety razors - including disposables
Syringes - with medical documentation and proper labeling
Insulin delivery systems
Eyelash curlers

The not allowed list was much longer and included "duh" items like guns, bombs,
brass knuckles etc.

Now whether or not this list was actually given to anyone but USA Today is up
for question. I looked at the Transportation Security Administration homepage
and did a search of a few sets of keywords and never did find it.

Personally, I am not counting on the information ever getting to the security
gate attendants. So I still leave every thing at home. I really did miss my
tweezers the last trip I took so I may try taking them next time.

My solution to all of this is simply not to fly if there is ANY other solution,
including driving, virtual meetings over the web, etc. In case of leisure
travel like vacations and visiting relatives, I just don't go and vacation at
home. Here in Phoenix, the airline security people are clueless (maybe not
all, just the ones I have met). The last time I went through, I was lucky
enough to be "chosen" to a random wanding. The woman took me to a little
corral, about 10 feet from the security belt. And then proceeded to take her
sweet time passing a wand all over my body. I was wearing not one piece of
metal - no jewelry, no watch, no glasses, no belt, no zippers, so I know I
wasn't setting anything off. The worst part was that she kept insisting on
turning me around so that my back was to the conveyor belt where my purse and
luggage were sitting in plain view. There was no reason that I HAD to face that
way, the wand wasn't attached to anything. Finally I got pissed off and told
her she could do whatever she wanted but according to airline regulations I was
NOT supposed to let my luggage out of my sight. And she finally gave up. The
entire situation gave me a creepy "I was being set up to get ripped off"
feeling.

Cynthia

Liz / Cozit

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May 15, 2002, 2:53:27 PM5/15/02
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Ok... if you check the FAA website, nail clippers, even with files are being
allowed again. Of course, what is and isn't allowed varies by airline as
well... and the files might not be allowed by your airline.

Sigh... I called Northwest yesterday because I'd heard from someone who heard
a news story saying that knitting needles were allowed again. Nope, according
to Northwest, they're not... nor are sewing needles or cross stitch needles,
strictly speaking.

However, because I mentioned having heard that it was changing, and she also
laughed about the mechanical pencils with their nice pointy tips being ok but
not little blunt needles, she thought that it would probably be ok to try...
and ask at security to be "safe" (and give it up if they objected)


So, bottom line is... FAA is lifting some restrictions... but not all airlines
are loosening up yet. (*sigh* and the person who told me about what she saw on
knitting needles said that AFASK her crochet hook was still banned...)

I didn't post on Saturday when I heard it because I didn't want to raise
hopes. I checked the www.faa.gov site and went to the lists and needles of any
sort are not only the allowed list... yet... I also sent them an e-mail/query
about both knitting and needlework needles that I haven't heard back about yet.

-Liz

Laurie Riley

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May 15, 2002, 3:00:11 PM5/15/02
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I thought I just read in the paper about a week ago that the FAA is relaxing
its standards for carry on luggage and that things like nail clippers will
be allowed. Only plastic cutlery still, however.

Best,
Laurie
N. Suburban Chicago, IL


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mole

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May 15, 2002, 4:33:19 PM5/15/02
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Larisa-
What part of the country are you flying from? I called the airport in
Milwaukee, Wi. and they said there was no way I could take a nail
clipper or a
a cross stitch needle or even a safety scissors on the plane. I wish
i lived where you do.

Liz / Cozit

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May 15, 2002, 11:32:07 PM5/15/02
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To find both the lists, go to www.faa.gov and click on the "tips for travelers"
almost at the top of the page, right under "alerts".

But, as you listed... needles aren't in either list... which is why (at a guess,
only) the airline I spoke to is going by what they had been told earlier for them.


Still waiting for a reply from through the FAA website...
-Liz

Liz / Cozit

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May 15, 2002, 11:41:02 PM5/15/02
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Laurie Riley wrote:

> I thought I just read in the paper about a week ago that the FAA is relaxing
> its standards for carry on luggage and that things like nail clippers will
> be allowed. Only plastic cutlery still, however.

Yes, but needlework tools aren't listed at all... though blunt ended scissors
are on the "ok list" now, I believe.

Of course, individual airlines are still free to add to the lists of "no"s if
they wish to.

-Liz (who sent a separate query just a few minutes ago to a different faa
mailbox... including a request that they spell out the restrictions if any for
crochet hooks and knitting, sewing and tapestry needles)

Liz / Cozit

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May 15, 2002, 11:42:40 PM5/15/02
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Mole, the FAA changed their restrictions. But individual airlines and airports are permitted to have more restrictive
lists/requirements than what the FAA allows. (witness that big "to-do" about the guy who got kicked off his flight in
Philly (October? November?) because he carried a Harry Potter book with him....)

-Liz

Cheryl Isaak

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May 16, 2002, 8:33:53 AM5/16/02
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There is a very interesting article in yesterdays Wall Street Journal
(5/14/02) about this very subject but on an international level.

Cheryl

Larisa Vann

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May 16, 2002, 6:57:21 PM5/16/02
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I live near Syracuse, NY. I talked to the people at the airline company, the people at the airport, AND the security
company, and they all said that I could bring a cross-stitch needle and either blunted scissors or nail clippers. The nail
clippers that I am referring to are tiny ones made for use on infants and young children - they don't come with an attached
nail file. I am flying into JFK, so we will see how that goes.

Larisa

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Louise Anderson

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May 16, 2002, 11:29:27 PM5/16/02
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Good Luck. A co-worker is flying on Delta next week. She called today and
they told her no needles. I found this very interesting because I flew
Delta to Charleston in April for CATS and a lady on the same return flight
to Atlanta was sitting in the waiting area stitching and then boarded the
plane. I think a lot of it depends on the airline and the airport.


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May 17, 2002, 7:04:38 AM5/17/02
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>From: "Louise Anderson" lander...@attbi.com

>....A co-worker is flying on Delta next week. She called today and
>they told her no needles. .....

We fly Delta almost exclusively (Atlanta is home base for them) and I have
never had a problem waking needles on my flights. On the trip to Ireland we
flew Delta and one of my carryon WIP's had at least a dozen different colors of
floss threaded through needles -- no problems at all in the US or in Ireland.
CiaoMeow >^;;^<
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Alan Duke

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May 17, 2002, 12:14:27 PM5/17/02
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Well folks, the enforcement of airline rules is spotty at best. On our
recent trip to Europe, I carried my needle through all the checkpoints with
no problems. But, on the last flight home, British Airways, Gatwick to
Phoenix, a flight attendant noticed me stitching and confiscated my needle!
Go figure. Rachel in Scottsdale

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Pat Dumas

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May 18, 2002, 8:20:18 AM5/18/02
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I anticipated no cross stitching, but gave US Airways (we're flying
Burlington, VT to San Francisco) a call about knitting needles. Customer
Service told me "no problem" and checked it four ways from Sunday. (never
knew the derivation of THAT phrase... anyone else know?)

:-)
Pat


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Larisa Vann

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May 18, 2002, 10:15:55 AM5/18/02
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NOw this is strange. when I checked the faa site, I could have sworn that
knitting needles were NOT allowed.

Larisa

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Leticia Echavarria

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May 22, 2002, 4:57:51 PM5/22/02
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I am a flight attendant for American Airlines and do a lot of
cross-stitching and needlepoint on every trip I fly ( after i finish my
passenger duties, of course ). I have not had any problem with needles or
the clover pendant cutter. I also commute from DFW to SFO in my regular
clothes and go thru regular security with the rest of the passengers. I
place my project bag with everything in it on top of all my clothes in my
rollerboard. When I get on the plane, I take a few seconds to pull my
canvas bag out and stitch away for the next 2-3 hours.
I am not sure about knitting needles. For a while I did not see any
passengers knitting on board, but lately there have been a few, so my
guess is that my airline is allowing them.
Keep in mind that different airports may be at different levels of security
at a given time and international flying is sometimes governed by stricter
rules - whether from our side or the other countries side.
My suggestion is to place your project where it does screen and I am sure
the security people will let you know if it is a go or no-go.
Happy stitching !!!!!


Lisa Simmonds

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May 22, 2002, 8:50:47 PM5/22/02
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awwwww man, why didn't I think of that when I flew last week? that trip from
DFW to LAX was soooooo boring!

But then again, so was the next flight from LAX to SYD, and then from SYD to
PER. But then, it could have been because I was returning home and leaving
my fiance in Dallas *sigh*

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Jacqui

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May 23, 2002, 4:07:13 AM5/23/02
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Leticia Echavarria wrote

> I am a flight attendant for American Airlines and do a lot of
> cross-stitching and needlepoint on every trip I fly ...

> Keep in mind that different airports may be at different levels of
security
> at a given time and international flying is sometimes governed by
stricter
> rules - whether from our side or the other countries side.

Well I can vouch for American Airlines allowing passenger stitching, and
Gatwick does allow needles but only after a burly security guard has
attempted to stab himself and realised that tapestry needles aren't
sharp :-)

> My suggestion is to place your project where it does screen and I am
sure
> the security people will let you know if it is a go or no-go.

My workbag went through LGW security in my handbaggage, and didn't get
picked up, so I stopped at the security table and asked. First response
was "well you shouldn't have told us you have needles because now we
have to take them off you", and when I pointed out that tapestry needles
are apparently allowed now had the spectacle of the abovementioned guard
trying (quite hard!) to stab himself and failing! General amusement. So
I was waved on. Coming back through RDU I didn't bother mentioning it,
and again it wasn't picked up (although the screeners may have been more
interested in why we had 12 root beer cans and some jam in our
luggage...)

Jac

Dianne Lewandowski

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May 23, 2002, 1:57:35 PM5/23/02
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I saw a newspaper article several weeks back which stated the new
rules (fresh from an FAA memo) which would be going in effect. That
being, no longer would baseball bats or hockey sticks be allowed in
the cabin with passengers. From the article, it stated this was
common practice, and many sports-minded individuals would bring their
"valuable" gear with them on board as they flew.

And the government/FAA is worrying about knitting needles?

Dianne

Larisa Vann

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May 23, 2002, 7:36:26 PM5/23/02
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I made it through security at both Syracuse-Hancock and JFK with my
cross-stitch!

Larisa

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Jmorris6b

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May 23, 2002, 10:24:28 PM5/23/02
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In article <20020517070438...@mb-dd.aol.com>,

catwo...@aol.comnekoluvr (Tia Mary-remove nekoluvr to reply ) writes:

> We fly Delta almost exclusively (Atlanta is home base for them) and I have
>never had a problem waking needles on my flights. On the trip to Ireland we
>flew Delta and one of my carryon WIP's had at least a dozen different colors
>of
>floss threaded through needles -- no problems at all in the US or in Ireland.
>

Atlanta is where my needles [that I forgot to put in my checked baggage] were
confiscated. I did get a message from Delta a few weeks ago that one (1) blunt
needle would be allowed in carry-on. The problem is the interpretation of
blunt is made by humans and so will not be standard.

Joyce
Oklahoma City

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>From: jmor...@aol.com (Jmorris6b)

>Atlanta is where my needles [that I forgot to put in my checked baggage] were
>confiscated. I did get a message from Delta a few weeks ago that one (1)
>blunt
>needle would be allowed in carry-on. The problem is the interpretation of
>blunt is made by humans and so will not be standard.

Talk about strange! The piece with all the threaded needles is my aid
fabric travel piece and I have been schlepping it through the Atlanta airport
and such since Thanksgiving! Never had a problem and you get yours
confiscated! <VBS> It's not the rules that are frustrating, it's the random
and widely different enforcement of them -- at the same airport no less -- that
is so frustrating!! CiaoMeow >^;;^<

Jmorris6b

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May 24, 2002, 9:04:49 AM5/24/02
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In article <jDTG8.58461$L76.77248@rwcrnsc53>, "Leticia Echavarria"
<lett...@yahoo.com> writes:

>My suggestion is to place your project where it does screen and I am sure
>the security people will let you know if it is a go or no-go.

I would also suggest having an envelope which will contain your project and
stamps in case they will not allow it. Had I had that I would still have my
needles that have been confiscated. I could have gone out of security, bought
mailing stuff and mailed them and then gone back through security. Right I was
going to do that for needles that could be replaced :-)

Joyce
OKC

Sharie G

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May 27, 2002, 1:17:52 AM5/27/02
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I just got back from a trip on Southwest and they let me take my H-size
crochet hook. This was even after my bag was thoroughly taken apart after
x-ray. I think that the baby afghan I was making made the bag so
over-stuffed that they couldn't see everything that was in there...

I crocheted happily the whole time. My cross-stitch with needle also went
through without a problem and they looked at it during the search too with
the needle in plain sight.

-Sharie

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>From: jmor...@aol.com (Jmorris6b)

>Atlanta is where my needles [that I forgot to put in my checked baggage] were
>confiscated. I did get a message from Delta a few weeks ago that one (1)
>blunt
>needle would be allowed in carry-on. The problem is the interpretation of
>blunt is made by humans and so will not be standard.

Talk about strange! The piece with all the threaded needles is my aid

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