MLI Needlepaints...
Nathalie
Lets just say I am sitting in awe here at the colours in the Needlepaints
range sitting here right in front of me. (Yes Marilyn they arrived today and
I am so thrilled about the colours). For those of you who have not seen the
colours, let me describe them. The colours that are used for the baby ribbon
on Angel of Mercy II (colours 2001-2005) remind me of the shades of lavender
flowers have on a field <VBG> (obvious!!!). Then colour 2006 is the deepest
darkest richest purple I have ever seen. It is so beautiful. then colour
2007-2010 remind me of the colour of lilacs that my grandmother had in her
garden. The colours are so organic, so gardeney (sp?) that I think Marilyn
was inspired for the colours straight from nature, straight from her own
garden. I certainly will do several designs with these colours (got several
in mind right now, as well as some new ones as well). Thank you Marilyn for
these lovely colours. However I am too scared to unpack them right now to
feel them as I don't want to spoil the threads. Maybe later on, I will pluck
up the courage and open one pack. Also just realised that I got even more
threads in the Angel of Mercy II chartpacks I got send (I think someone was
slightly on the too generous side or was it you, Marilyn??). Anyway I think
any of you reading this, can picture me sitting here with this big smile on
my face, picking up the colours and just constantly admiring them. if you
have not had the opportunity to buy Angel of Mercy II then do so. I am sure
you will also sit there and admire the threads for hours before using them.
These threads certainly get my seal of approval. Anyway, Marilyn, if you did
a "yellow/green" range, a "orange/red" range", and a "dark reds/copper
brown" range of threads as well, then these shades (with a few tones added)
could be called the "Winter Shades" and the others obviously "Spring
Shades", "Summer Shades", and "Autumn Shades". Just an idea I got when I saw
the shades. Oh, and Marilyn, a nice colour grey that looks like silver, a
nice colour that looks like gold and another one looking like bronze would
be nice as well.
Enough ranting on from me... (I am sure that your model stitchers ALSO enjoy
the new colours as much as I will be doing so...)
--
Nathalie Forster - Needlework Designer & Web Developer
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Jennifer Ballard
like??? I can't wait to get mine.
Jennifer
"Nathalie" <nathalie...@ndmdc.com> wrote in message
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Karin Langeveld
>
> WOW! That is great to hear. Although what could Marilyn do that we don't
> like??? I can't wait to get mine.
Actually Marilyn has done quite a lot that I don't like... <g>
She also designed a number of things that I really love. :-) I
don't think there's a designer that has done only stuff that I
like. In fact, I am pretty sure that if I designed myself I would
not like everything I did, at least not after a while... <g>
The new needlepaints sound great. I love purple, it's really my
favourite. I guess there won't be a source for them on-line yet
and I don't want to stitch AOMII (angels in white frilly gowns
are one of those things that *don't* appeal to me) so it will be
a while before I get to see them. But they sound lovely.
Karin
Pat Porter
discovered., but I do think she uses this group too much as her personal
bill-board - sorry Marilyn it`s not personal, but you do overdo it you know!
Pat P.
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s.e.l
"Pat Porter" wrote in message
> Now I`m sure that Marilyn is a lovely person, and a kind one as I have
> discovered., but I do think she uses this group too much as her personal
> bill-board - sorry Marilyn it`s not personal, but you do overdo it you
know!
I think it depends on your point of view. Personally I like to read
Marilyn's posts - I like to read all of the designers posts - as much as I
do everyone else's. I've always had an inherent curiosity about the design
process, etc. And it's nice to know the person behind the designs. And I
like to think that designers truly care about our questions, or view points,
or concerns, etc. I can only imagine that if I were a designer I would like
to read rctn for ideas and input if nothing else. I also love the fact that
when I ask a question about a particular design I not only get input from
fellow stitchers, but also quite possibly from the designer.
Yes, I am a fan of the majority of Marilyn's work, but I do recognize that
it isn't everyone's cup of tea. I would love to hear from other designers
about their new pieces, works in progress, etc. The many who post here
announcing new designs, etc. - that's how I've been introduced to most of
their work. And lets face it there are always designs that we work on that
we'd love to ask the designer just what they were thinking putting that
quarter stitch there, or is there a substitute for some thread, etc.
But that's just my humble opinion :)
Shannon
姣 My mind works like lightning -- one brilliant flash and it's gone ! 姣
Toronto, ON, Canada
WIP: Angel of Love (MLI); Golfers (Lynne Nicoletti); Christmas Tree (BH&G)
Lauren Kuik
If Nathalie had not started a thread about the new Needlepaints today I
would have! I just picked up my AMOII at my LNS today. I don't intend to
stitch her yet but will eventually as a "birth angel" for my daughter since
I did AMOI (without the little girl) for a wedding angel for her. Anyway . .
. the real reason I picked up the chart now was to get my hands on the
Needlepaints myself to see what all of the flurry is about.
I have to agree that the colors are gorgeous. Much "deeper" than other
purples I have seen/used. The feel of the cottons is very nice. I haven't
used them yet but did pick up a little chart of violets to stitch with them.
Actually I plan to stitch the same design with the Needlepaints AND with the
DMC colors that are listed to see a comparison which I will post in my
picturetrail album.
I do believe that Nathalie's comments were unsolicited by Marilyn - as are
mine - although Marilyn has asked us to share our experiences/thoughts about
the new threads. Rather than email my comments directly to Marilyn I had
thought to post them here, as did Nathalie, for those who may be interested.
Sorry if it seems like overkill. I think rather that it is a large following
of a favored designer.
With all due respect,
Lauren
St. Pete, FL
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Linda D.
<pat.p...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>Now I`m sure that Marilyn is a lovely person, and a kind one as I have
>discovered., but I do think she uses this group too much as her personal
>bill-board - sorry Marilyn it`s not personal, but you do overdo it you know!
>
>Pat P.
IMHO, Marilyn is just responding to our questions, which
benefits many of us :) I wish more designers would post to the
newsgroup.
take care, Linda :)
Vancouver Island, bc.ca :) (remove 'nospam' to reply)
CarlyBear
her designs, and asks our opinions. I wish more designers would make you
feel as though you are part of the 'process'. I don't think that Marilyn
uses RCTN as her personal billboard. She spends most of her time either
answering our questions or justifying her actions, as well as participating
in some friendly banter. Personally, I like getting to know her, as well
as everyone else, through her various postings. I really respect her more
as a designer because I now know how much of herself she puts into her work.
While I am sure that this is true of other designers, I think it says a lot
of the group that Marilyn is comfortable enough to share her thoughts and
ideas with us, as well as take ideas from us into consideration.
Lori
Linda D. <deu...@nospamhome.com> wrote in message
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Pat Porter
comment on here - it does sometimes seem that all the posts are advertising
Marilyn`s designs, which seems hardly fair given the fact that advertising
beyond brief statements of a new design or a site update were, as I was
informed, frowned on. In any case, being such a famous designer, she`s
hardly in need of advertising, surely!
Doesn`t Marilyn have a bulletin board to which queries can be adresssed?
I`m certainly not trying to detract from her work - I loved doing her Amish
Quilt sampler, and her " Quilter" and "County Fair" - I`m not an Angel or
Fairy person though, but I`d LOVE her to do Galadriel (in her "swan barge"?)
or Arwen Evenstar!
Pat P.
"Linda D." wrote > IMHO, Marilyn is just responding to our questions, which
Pat Porter
thank you for that. One wonders how Marilyn finds TIME to design with all
the time she must spend here on rctn, though! LOL!
Of courseI realise that there is a vast difference (apart from subject
matter) between a designer who makes a living and has to do so by making
sure she pleases her public and one like myself who designs to please
MYSELF - other people liking my designs are a bonus!
That`s one reason I gave up all idea of becoming a commercial artist - I
wanted to do what I wanted to do - not what I was obliged to do to earn a
living. Much to my headmistress`s and Art teacher`s disgust, having
obtained a place at Art college.
Pat P.
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Lauren Kuik
http://pub1.ezboard.com/bcrossstitchcorner50421
as well as a bunch of other designers but I have never seen Marilyn post
there. I only joined that one a few months ago so don't know if she used to
post there (don't think so). Most of the posts there are more design
specific with pics and progress scans.
I'm curious about the two ladies you mention - Galadriel and Arwen
Evenstar. Who are they? They sound rather mystical. As I was reading "Forest
House" (prequel to "Maids of the Mist") I found myself wishing Marilyn would
design a Druid Priestess for us. Is that something similar?
Lauren
St. Pete, FL
"Pat Porter" <pat.p...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Julia E. Linthicum
>Evenstar. Who are they? They sound rather mystical. As I was reading "Forest
>House" (prequel to "Maids of the Mist") I found myself wishing Marilyn would
>design a Druid Priestess for us. Is that something similar?
Lauren,
I'm not the poster, but Galadriel and Arwen are both characters from J.R.R.
Tolkein's Lord of the Rings saga.
JuliaL.
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http://juliael.blogspot.com
Please remove the "todd" after my email address.
WIPs: Teresa Wentzler "Romeo & Juliet", Elsa Williams kit "Shore Patrol" and
Fox tote bag
Sally
>
> Now I`m sure that Marilyn is a lovely person, and a kind one as I have
> discovered., but I do think she uses this group too much as her personal
> bill-board - sorry Marilyn it`s not personal, but you do overdo it you know!
>
> Pat P.
>
Hiya Pat....
Lemme get this straight... if *anybody* went on and on about some topic in
this NG it would be totally OK...(there are lots of shining examples of that
in here.. and I'm as guilty as the next guy)
but...
If it's someone that participates in the industry a little too much (like
MLI who's income comes from this industry) they should "hold back" from
their participation here?
Cripes.
/sarcasm Yeppers... we only want this group to be filled with people that
don't participate wholeheartedly in this industry. This should only be a
place for recreational stitchers. Only casual designers that aren't making
a living from their love of needlework-yeah-they can get as involved as they
want. Anyone that has too much invested in the industry should definitely
make an effort to not get too involved here. /sarcasm off
I didn't see you pipe up a few days ago when Caryn had a transaction cooking
with Victoria on this board. As far as I can remember, I don't remember
Marilyn "selling" here.
An enthusiastic discussion over Marilyn's new goodies was a welcome thread
here, IMHO.. we haven't had much new stuff to talk about here recently, as
least that I can remember reading.
The only shame around here is that the other designers don't dare post here
as Marilyn does... and it's posts such as yours that cause them to stay
away. It's also a shame that we don't have representatives from many of the
different product companies participating here. It sure would be great if
someone from Zweigart, DMC, Caron, Kreinik, Leisure Arts, Stoney Creek, etc
would all participate here as Marilyn does.
Many groups *do* have "factory rep" members that participate in the
discussions. And why not? Heck, they know more about their product than
anyone else.. and it's only fair they get to discuss it. There is one other
group that I participate in that you can bank on getting an expert answer to
technical questions within the day.. because the group is well read by
members of the industry and they don't have this level of pettiness jumping
at them if they participate. This group is downright weird in the way it
criticizes the very people that *create* this industry.
So Pat.. no hard feelings intended here.. but I just strongly disagree with
you. IMHO, you've "overdone it" here this time.
(and for what it's worth.. I've only got *one* of Marilyn's designs.. so I'm
not her greatest fan by any means.. but I sure would hate for her to
eventually tuck tail and run from this group like so many other designers
have done)
Sally
Linda D.
<pat.p...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>Well I`m glad this discussion is managing to go on without getting abusive -
>thank you for that. One wonders how Marilyn finds TIME to design with all
>the time she must spend here on rctn, though! LOL!
>
>Of courseI realise that there is a vast difference (apart from subject
>matter) between a designer who makes a living and has to do so by making
>sure she pleases her public and one like myself who designs to please
>MYSELF - other people liking my designs are a bonus!
>
>That`s one reason I gave up all idea of becoming a commercial artist - I
>wanted to do what I wanted to do - not what I was obliged to do to earn a
>living. Much to my headmistress`s and Art teacher`s disgust, having
>obtained a place at Art college.
>
>Pat P.
Hmmm....interesting comments. Do you really think Marilyn
creates designs to only please the public? It seems to me that any
artist who paints or designs needlework patterns for a living would do
so both for themselves and the public. I can't imagine even being
able to paint a picture 'only' to please another person. I should
think that would be very difficult for any artist to do...
Karin Langeveld
<snip>
> I`m certainly not trying to detract from her work - I loved doing her Amish
> Quilt sampler, and her " Quilter" and "County Fair" - I`m not an Angel or
> Fairy person though, but I`d LOVE her to do Galadriel (in her "swan barge"?)
> or Arwen Evenstar!
O, I remember badgering Marilyn about that ages ago, before I
stopped reading RCTN, adopted a son and gave birth to another.
(LOL!! Kris, you're not the only one who quit when life got in
the way of the computer!)
There was quite a discussion on Lord of the Rings designs by
Marilyn, I even seem to remember Marilyn saying she had some
drawings in a drawer somewhere, but I'm not too clear on the
details... :-) Galadriel (or any lady) in a swan barge does
conjur up some lovely images...
Karin
JennyWren
development based on their marketability. That doesn't mean that she doesn't do
art for art's sake, it just means that those design don't become cross stitch
patterns. Since this is her source of income, she has to include marketability
in the calculation.
The Wren
Jennifer Ballard
anything related to needlework crafts. No matter if it is someone asking a
question, telling us of their progress, or us finding out about a new
design. That's why I am here. To find out everything there is to know.
Why does everyone have to have a separate bulletin board? I don't know
about you, but I don't have time to be running around all over the internet
to all different boards to find out information. Everything in one place is
much easier and less time consuming. If you don't want to read something,
don't. I personally don't care for all the "off" topic discussions that go
on here, so I just don't read them. But I certainly don't complain about
them to ruin it for the many people who do enjoy them and participate.
Jennifer
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Lauren Kuik
here, IMHO.. we haven't had much new stuff to talk about here recently, as
least that I can remember reading.
so to continue that discussion . . .
finally used the Needlepaints last night. As I mentioned in a previous post
I picked up a little violets design - "Faithfulness (Violets)" by Carolyn
Meacham of Serendipity Designs. It is a perfect chart to do a floss
conversion because it uses 5 shades of purple; and it is small enough so
that I can take it on the plane when I fly off for a visit to Iowa tomorrow.
Anyway .......
the Needlepaints threads are really lovely to use. They are very soft and
remind me a little of flower threads in the sense that they are a softer
cotton than thread such as DMC. They are so soft to the touch that I
couldn't help being reminded of the comforting feeling of sleeping on those
sheets that are made of t-shirt cotton fabric ; ).
I am working this little design in hand as it is only about 3"x 3" so I was
surprised when the feeling of softness from the bottom of the work on my
fingertips got through to my brain. You know, it felt nice but it didn't
register until I had been stitching for awhile. Kind of weird (but nice),
actually!
The thread seems to be "finer" (as opposed to thinner) than DMC but gives
the same good coverage. As I also mentioned in my other post, I am working
the design 2x - one with NP and the other with DMC. Must admit that after
the second color change on both I put aside the DMC so I could work more
with the NP.
So if you get a chance, pick up some of this new floss. I don't see it
replacing any other floss line in full. I believe it is not intended to do
so, nor does it need to. But I think it will be a great addition as a
different design element/accent in all kinds of needlework designs. I can't
wait to get my hands on the other colors in the line.
No vested interest, yadda, yadda, yadda, just a pleased consumer (and big
MLI fan) ; )
Lauren
St. Pete, FL
Lynn Davis
Lynn in Lancaster PA
Pat Porter
over-sauces the goose a bit. From letters I`ve had, a lot of people feel
the same - some have even expressed the feeling that she that she rather
"milks" rctn. I didn`t see the Caryn/Victoria exchange - all I seem to see
lately is posts from Marilyn about her designs and needle-paints or
whatever - surely her many fans ( and yes, I greatly admire her work but
wish they didn`t have so many wings! I love the samplers and the "real"
people that she does so well) could get all the info they want from her
website?
Blatant advertising has always been disapproved of by the majority of
rctners, which fact has been stated on many occasions.It has often been said
that brief announcements of a new design , a webpage update, or a URL in
your signature line are all that`s required, and most designers seem to
stick to this. Marilyn may not regard it as advertising, of course, but
imho, as well as that of others, it`s pretty darned close!
How often do you see Teresa Wentzler, for instance, pushing her wares on
here? I can`t have seen more than one or two posts from her in the last
three years or so - and it`s certainly not because she`s "stuck up" that she
maintains a dignified silence!
I didn`t expect my post to be popular - just putting a point of interest.
Cheers
Pat P.
East Anglian Xstitch Designs
http://homepages.tesco.net/~porter
Old village scenes.
Hiya Pat....
Alison Hendon
Alison
who enjoys all needlework postings
Sally
>
> No I wouldn`t want her to "tuck tail and run" either, but I just feel she
> over-sauces the goose a bit. From letters I`ve had, a lot of people feel
> the same - some have even expressed the feeling that she that she rather
> "milks" rctn.
And I get lots of emails supporting my position.. many from other members
here.. and also more than a few from other designers that don't have the
same backbone that Marilyn has.
I didn`t see the Caryn/Victoria exchange - all I seem to see
> lately is posts from Marilyn about her designs and needle-paints or
> whatever - surely her many fans ( and yes, I greatly admire her work but
> wish they didn`t have so many wings! I love the samplers and the "real"
> people that she does so well) could get all the info they want from her
> website?
There is absolutely nothing wrong in the way Marilyn and the members here
have interacted about a new product from her.
>
> Blatant advertising has always been disapproved of by the majority of
> rctners, which fact has been stated on many occasions.
Yes.. but I have yet to see Marilyn "advertise" here.
>It has often been said
> that brief announcements of a new design , a webpage update, or a URL in
> your signature line are all that`s required, and most designers seem to
> stick to this. Marilyn may not regard it as advertising, of course, but
> imho, as well as that of others, it`s pretty darned close!
Well.. there are more than a few people that enjoy MLI's participation here.
There is nothing wrong about discussing needlework products here... and like
I said before, if it weren't for negative posts such as this last one from
you, ****all***** the members here would be more likely to gain the
participation of many more companies and designers.
>
> How often do you see Teresa Wentzler, for instance, pushing her wares on
> here? I can`t have seen more than one or two posts from her in the last
> three years or so - and it`s certainly not because she`s "stuck up" that she
> maintains a dignified silence!
No one ever said any designer was "stuck up".. it's just that they don't
want to subject themselves to the kind of petty negative bickering that goes
on in here.
The last go round we had a month or two ago about copyrights or something of
that nature.. I got in the corner for the designers... and I had 7 different
designers email me in support of what Marilyn and I had said. Did *any* of
those post here?!?!? Not a chance.. because of a few that think being ugly
on this group is "their right".
Well.... it may be your "right" to say whatever is on your mind.. but it
comes at a cost. We lose the participation of the designers and
manufacturers here. If I didn't know better, I'd swear there were a few of
you that have a mission to make sure these wonderful people stay lurking.
This is really sad.
It's absolute nonsense to think this group should only be made up of people
that are not *too* involved in the business of needlework.
And... almost everyone that *is* greatly involved in this industry won't
post here because of the nasty, negative few. That's shameful.
If there ever was a good reason to have a moderated board, it would be so
that designers could take part without being so overly criticized.
Sally
>
> I didn`t expect my post to be popular - just putting a point of interest.
Well.. if you knew ahead of time that your post wouldn't be popular.. why
make a stink when you know you're in the minority?
Sincere question.
Have a good evening (or day over there <G>)
Sally
KDLark
saying what she is working on and how she feels. Sometimes some of the chat
seems a little like "gushing" on the part of the fans, but some people are
simply more emotional than others, and that's okay, too.
I would love to hear more from others, also. I remember back to when I first
started reading RCTN, and took a look at Pat Porter's website and her designs.
I don't think Pat would not answer a question about one of her designs, and I
would hate for her not to feel free to do so!
I would hate not to hear from Mary Monica, too...
My mind is made up, though. If I ever become a designer, I'm going to use a
phony name...heh, heh...how do you know I'm not a designer, already?
Katrina L.
Diane
that's "Blue's Clues purple!" Of course it could just be our monitor :)
Diane
Sally
> From: kdl...@aol.com (KDLark)
> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
> Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
> Date: 09 Aug 2001 01:06:35 GMT
> Subject: Re: MLI Needlepaints...
>
> My mind is made up, though. If I ever become a designer, I'm going to use a
> phony name...heh, heh...how do you know I'm not a designer, already?
<BG>
I guess we don't!!!!
LOL
Sally
Mavia Beaulieu
KDLark wrote:
> My mind is made up, though. If I ever become a designer, I'm going to use a
> phony name...heh, heh...how do you know I'm not a designer, already?
>
> Katrina L.
You are sooooooooooo bad!!! LOL
happy stitchin'
Mavia
Nathalie
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> My mind is made up, though. If I ever become a designer, I'm going to use
a
> phony name...heh, heh...how do you know I'm not a designer, already?
LOL... Katrina... that had me laughing... I was thinking of doing that first
as well... BUT decided on my own name instead... As I recently learned from
some good advice that this always the best...
Anyway... someone once remarked "the world is a stage and we are all actors"
(or something along those lines)... Well here on RCTN, I can say that "the
world is a canvas and we are all individual stitches and those individual
stitches make a harmonious image that binds us all...." (I actually said
that to a friend to explain why needlework was so important to me...)
But then we need to do occassional frogging to make sure we do end up with a
harmonious image and not a spoiled ugly one...
Just my 2 pennies...
Marilyn Leavitt-Imblum
the lady in the swan boat......... because she has already been drawn
and is in the stack of ideas for coming designs.
My Angels designs were done 4 years before angels were popular. In
addition to being online I also paint with oils and watercoulours and
make quilts and knit sweaters. The designs I do for cross stitch are now
my finest work because I redo and redo until there is nothing more that
I can do to make it better. I finely craft what my heart desires.
It is an added bonus when stitchers love to stitch what I design.
Just lately it seems so many posts have been about me....wait around and
they will calm down and others can speak their minds, although it seems
like we have enough paper here to handle anyones suggestion for a topic.
Marilyn
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Believe it or not ...I just pulled those drawings out and ask if we
could scan them and put them on my website today!
They are old....done 25 years ago!
Right after I quit my job as a fashion illustrator....believe me when
someone gives you 20 pairs of shoes and say "draw this" that is selling
your soul to the devil and doing work for the sales of it. Not my Ladies
and Fairies and Angles and patterns. I sit before a blank sheet and I
can make it into anything I want to draw...this is freedom!
Marilyn
Liz / Cozit
"brother Joe" starts to make an appearance?
-Liz
Diane
episode and being that it's August, Joe should be making an appearance soon!
Diane :)
Velvet
>
> Liz, Steve's last episode was filmed in Dec. But it takes 8-9 months to produce an
> episode and being that it's August, Joe should be making an appearance soon!
>
they only show 1 episode of Blue's Clues a week. Let's see ... here we
go; from NICKjr.com's Grownups playtime section (look under shows ...
the whole URL is just LONG):
Is Steve really leaving Blue's Clues?
After six years on the air, Steve Burns has decided to step down from
his duties as host of Blue's Clues to complete his education and pursue
other interests. Steve will be featured in brand-new episodes of the
show through the middle of 2002, as well as still being seen afterwards
in future replays of Blue's Clues, which airs weekdays on Nick Jr. and
Saturday mornings on CBS. Also next year, Blue's Clues will welcome
Steve's brother, Joe, to the show. Like Steve, he will ask viewers to
help solve the day's puzzles presented by Blue.
Dunno if the link will work or not, but here it is:
Karin Langeveld
Karin
Karin Langeveld
been curious about them ever since we first talked about them. (A
long time ago).
My son (now 10) just bought himself his very own copy of The
Hobbit - that makes the third one in the house, but he wanted one
for his very own.
I hope you can put them on the website, I'll look for them!
Karin
Pamela Kellogg
"Linda D." wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 20:22:08 +0100, "Pat Porter"
> <pat.p...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> >Now I`m sure that Marilyn is a lovely person, and a kind one as I have
> >discovered., but I do think she uses this group too much as her personal
> >bill-board - sorry Marilyn it`s not personal, but you do overdo it you know!
> >
> >Pat P.
>
> IMHO, Marilyn is just responding to our questions, which
> benefits many of us :) I wish more designers would post to the
> newsgroup.
>
> take care, Linda :)
> Vancouver Island, bc.ca :) (remove 'nospam' to reply)
There was a time when alot of designers posted here quite often, myself
included. I believe many designers lost interest because of all the arguing and
OT posts.
--
Pamela Kellogg
Kitty & Me Country Crafts
http://www.kittyandme.com/
Coming soon: Samantha - 4th cat in "Cats In Holiday Hats" series
Diane
Thank you so much for the "heads up!" My oldest DS has been asking when Sept. 4 will get here for the 'Cafe Blues' tape :) :)
Velvet wrote:
> Actually, it may be longer than that, since during the regular season,
> they only show 1 episode of Blue's Clues a week. Let's see ... here we
> go; from NICKjr.com's Grownups playtime section (look under shows ...
> the whole URL is just LONG):
Diane
Velvet
>
> Velvet! Are you the same one with the beautiful Middy on ColorBlooms? :)
*blush* That'd be me. We won't even get into the # of things I have
planned to stitch on ColorBlooms *lol*
>
> Thank you so much for the "heads up!" My oldest DS has been asking when Sept. 4 will get here for the 'Cafe Blues' tape :) :)
My DD's been a big Blue's Clues fan for a good couple of years now
(*thinks back* wow ... she had just turned 2 when we started watching
it ....), and still loves it :) I was kinda hoping she'd grow out of
it, but I know adults who are obsessed with Blue! And if we're playing
6 degrees of separation, I'm 2 steps from the show! The director for
the Summer Musical for Children used to be a drama teacher (I believe at
Westlake High), and one of his former students works on the show!
Okay, yes I need more sleep .... time to go nap on the couch.
--
Jen Persinger
vel...@rootaction.net
Carol Ann Sunde
every post with interest. Not to mention the many kind gifts she has
made to some of our rctn'rs with problems. Keep going marilyn.
Carol sunde
Marilyn Leavitt-Imblum
There was a day this week that I downloaded the RTCN notes and I was
embarrassed about how many were from me or too me but I thought it was
just the time I had downloaded and it depends when you choose to get
your messages as to whose name comes up a lot.
Pat and I have had many e-mails back and forth since last April when she
happily recieved several free designs from me. Her words were a shock to
me as they were to many others. I try to answer questions and be here
for the stitchers who want me. When the majority decide they want me
gone...... then I will go.
Until then don't worry!
I'm not angry at Pat...we all have our days.
Marilyn
Pat Porter
as I said - but please don`t brush it off as "we all have our days!" Yes I
was really delighted with the free designs you sent me as a thankyou for the
magazines I sent you, but that doesn`t alter the fact that there are a
terrific number of posts from you telling about your designs and threads
etc., and it just seems a little over the top in a group where overt
advertising is discouraged whenever it appears. It just seems that you are
covertly getting around that principle, whether deliberately or not is not
for me to say, but for you to ask yourself.
Of course nobody wants you gone, just being a little more circumspect might
be in order. Not everyone is a fan - that would be impossible.
Cheers
Pat
Louise Sugar
will PERSONALLY come up there and give you a good talking to!!!!
So THERE!
Honestly, Marilyn, if you left I for one would be very unhappy and would
miss you terribly.....you are really a special lady.......
and BTW as far as I am concerned the departure of ANY one of us diminishes
us all
"Marilyn Leavitt-Imblum" <mar...@tiag.com> wrote in message
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Nathalie
news:3b745d6e$0$8...@wodc7nh1.news.uu.net...
> Honestly, Marilyn, if you left I for one would be very unhappy and would
> miss you terribly.....you are really a special lady.......
I second that... definitely special person with the presents you have
bestowed on me... And I am certainly not the only one who has had presents
bestowed on them... But I am sure that the biggest you ever gave everyone
here (liking to stitch your patterns or not), is that you became a
designer... you probably inspired at least a dozen or more designers to
become... with your daughter being person number ONE...
If you left, you would get even more emails than you presently get...
LOL...(You wouldn't want that??)
MWhit1028
I THIRD it! I for one love to hear from Marilyn about her ideas, designs,
etc.!
>I second that... definitely special person with the presents you have
>bestowed on me... And I am certainly not the only one who has had presents
>bestowed on them... But I am sure that the biggest you ever gave everyone
>here (liking to stitch your patterns or not), is that you became a
>designer... you probably inspired at
>least a dozen or more designers to
>become... with your daughter being person number ONE...
Mary
Linda D.
Pat, I really think you are in the minority with your feelings
regarding Marilyn's posts.
rhianonmat
work and her opinions, etc. I think that she is a great asset to this
group.
I hope that she will be able to ignore the "grouches" and keep "talking" to
us all. Besides, if she left... who would they have to "grouch" about?
Oops... I guess that would be me....LOL
Hang in there Marilyn!
Just my two cents, a bit of positive thought, and support for our dear
Marilyn.
Lisa M.
"Marilyn Leavitt-Imblum" <mar...@tiag.com> wrote in message
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Karin Langeveld
> Pat, I really think you are in the minority with your feelings
> regarding Marilyn's posts.
>
> take care, Linda :)
Either that, or those wbo agree with Pat are afraid to speak up.
:-)
Karin
Erica
about 2.5 years ago, but got a bit overwhelmed with the messages
and now only read the ones I find the title intreaguing, but I
feel as though it's wonderful that designers such as Marilyn are
here to give us help and advice, so please don't go Marilyn.
I got my copy of the new Angel of Mercy 2 last weekend, I have a
standing order for L&L and Mirabilia patterns from a needlework
shop over here, and my hubby isn't one who is regularly impressed
with patterns, but when I showed him the back of the pattern,
with the different options on it of boy, girl or baby, the floss
numbers for the different ribbon colours, he was *well*
impressed. He even went as far as saying, "That's a wonderful
idea", high praise indeed from a man :o)
I've always been a fan of L&L and Mirabilia designs, from when I
first found them on the internet 2.5 years ago, and since then
have managed to collect a full set of Mirabilia, most of the L&L
and have over a dozen kitted up ready to stitch. I only now need
the time to do them all, but they keep bringing out more and more
lovely designs, so I end up with more and more kitted up to do
!!!!!
That was just my 2p worth :o)
Hugs
Erica
xx
http://www.x-stitch.fsnet.co.uk
http://members5.clubphoto.com/erica336715/
B&Y Mc Bride
I have my emails set to arrive in date order so I tend to miss a lot of the
posts when a thread changes topic without changing title but this one I had
on my watched list. (My favourite colours are lilac and purple - what can I
say!)
My thoughts are simply this - there are a number of posts for you as there
are a number of people who post here who stitch / collect your designs. So
to have access to the designer when a problem occurs - is invaluable.
If other designers were as assessable I'm sure that they too would have
loads of posts too. - there is nothing worse than having a problem with a
design and getting no response from the designer, company or distributor.
So keep on posting, I always think of you as a member of RCTN that happens
to design rather than a designer that happens to be on RCTN.
When you are next online there was a thread entitled 'Paging MLI' you may be
interested in. A few of us have decided on the designs we like the sound
of - you just have to design them!!!! - You weren't planning on retiring
before you are 150 were you!!
Keep up the designs they are among my favourites and KEEP POSTING !!!!
Just my 2p!!
Yve
"Marilyn Leavitt-Imblum" <mar...@tiag.com> wrote in message
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Maria
>:-)
Bingo!
--
maria from MA
remove the munge to reply
Patricia Rogers
of lurk mode. Since titles of threads and names of senders are prominently
displayed, why not just delete those you don't want to read, or put an
ignore symbol by them? No need to look at them at all, right? Then those
of us who enjoy being able to exchange views with a designer can continue to
do so.
As to those picking on Marilyn, why is there no similar objection to, for
instance, Monica Pulver (whom I LOVE!) posting so much and there being so
many posts about her work? Same situation, isn't it? But most of us adore
hearing about her creative process and finding out what's in the pipeline.
Just ignore the threads and posters you don't want to read. Lots of us do!
***"Pat Porter wrote: - all I seem to see lately is posts from Marilyn
about her designs and needle-paints or whatever - "***
Pat Rogers in Rock Island IL where it finally cooled down!
CarlyBear
the 'Catty' one of the bunch! This is an open forum and no one should feel
ashamed to speak there mind.
I, for one, could not disagree with Pat more. Marilyn is just as much a
member of this group as anyone else, and she can post whatever she wants to
post. There is a fine line between asking stitcher's opinions and
advertising. I do not believe that she has crossed that line. In all
fairness to MLI, most of the posts concerning her aren't started by her, but
by other members of RCTN. She is very kind to use her personal time to
answer those inquiries, as is everyone else who takes there personal time to
answer other member's questions.
I may not agree with what Pat says, but I do not respect her point of view
any less - or want to killfile her. Part of what makes things interesting
is the variety of outlooks that are displayed here at RCTN on a daily basis.
I wouldn't want someone not to speak there mind because what they have to
say is unpopular, just so long as they are not nasty or cruel.
Lori
Maria <ma_st...@yahoomunge.com> wrote in message
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Babs
board???Not in the 8 years I've been reading. I for one wish more designers
were here and we could ask questions or hear about new things or they ask
our opinion.
Babs
Babs
anyone can post how they feel. But its everyones right to post. And other
than a few I feel as the majority of posters here post how they feel and are
not afraid of posting an opposing opinion. I think Marilyn would want a
fair opinion of how everyone feels.
Babs
Bess
> Pat, I really think you are in the minority with your feelings
> regarding Marilyn's posts.
I will support Pat's view.
Best Stitches,
Bess
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> If people do agree with Pat, they should speak up, so Pat doesn't look like
> the 'Catty' one of the bunch! This is an open forum and no one should feel
> ashamed to speak there mind.
If you read the history of this board, those that speak without praise about MLI
get bombarded with posts basically saying, "If you don't like it, here's the
door." For most of us it's not worth posting our opinions because we are
attacked. So rather than start a flaming war, we keep quiet.
Linda D.
>
>> Pat, I really think you are in the minority with your feelings
>> regarding Marilyn's posts.
>>
>> take care, Linda :)
On Sat, 11 Aug 2001 10:05:35 +0200, Karin Langeveld <h...@euronet.nl>
wrote:
>
>Either that, or those wbo agree with Pat are afraid to speak up.
>:-)
>
>Karin
Hi there,
Possibly, but I kinda doubt it. I've been reading and posting
to this group for 8 yrs. Told in a Garden designs have been discussed
many, many times 'with or without' Marilyn's input. As soon as one of
her new designs is posted to her website there is a post telling
everyone it's up for viewing, then a discussion about the design.
Everyone remember the discussion about the gown folds looking like a
pickle???
My friends introduced me to Told in a Garden many years ago,
when they discovered her Amish designs at a shop in Victoria, B.C. We
fell in love with them right away! We have all done several of the
Amish designs and a friend of mine has done two of her angels. I have
a 'collection' of charts and my Mom cherishes the two MLI designs I
have stitched for her. I don't *love* everything Marilyn designs, nor
do I *love* everything any other designer creates either.
Pat Porter
a voice! I have nothing at all personal against Marilyn, who seems a sweet
person, please understand that -OR her designs, which I admire, and, in
fact, stitch - my preference being her samplers and people WITHOUT wings.
All I ever complain about is her use of rctn as her personal message-board.
I haven`t (yet!) been bombarded with threatening messages from her fans! So
far I`ve only received supportive ones from people whose opinions I
respect. It was NEVER a matter of disliking her designs (or having a bad
day!) - and you`ll never find such a remark in any of my posts on the
subject. I`d never ever knock down a designer`s designs in public. I have a
favourite designer, but there`s one of his/hers in particular that I
absolutely loathe - but I`d never specify what or who in public!
Pat P.
East Anglian Xstitch Designs
http://homepages.tesco.net/~porter
Old village scenes.
"Linda D." <deu...@nospamhome.com> wrote in message
news:3b7540b5.21473739@news...
Nathalie
news:9l35o...@enews1.newsguy.com...
> As to those picking on Marilyn, why is there no similar objection to, for
> instance, Monica Pulver (whom I LOVE!) posting so much and there being so
> many posts about her work? Same situation, isn't it? But most of us
adore
> hearing about her creative process and finding out what's in the pipeline.
For that matter I never see any objections raised when quite a few designers
post a message along the lines "here is my new design available"... If a
designer does that, they are looking for constructive criticism about the
design (and not just the criticism of "you dare to post that here"...) After
all the best person to help a designer evolve and progress as designer, are
stitchers saying "wow, just looked at the design and I really like it"... I
for sure feel so good when an email comes in my Inbox saying that, and I get
quite a few each week... from total strangers, mind you, who by chance
stumbled on my website... or any other designer's website when they get
similar emails in their inbox...
I think it is not a case of whether you like a particular designer's
patterns. I think it is a case of whether the designer is a nice and helpful
person, then after that you can decide whether you like their designs or
not. Like the person first, before deciding to like the designs. Or if you
do not like person, you can still like the designs. Or you like a person and
never like their designs. Or you can dislike the person and their designs
(hope this is not the case too often). Or be totally devoted and a "fan" of
a designer and their designs... You see there are many options available...
The best option is to like and respect a designer as a human being with
their own ups and downs in their life and just another human being just like
you...
Yes there is a fine line between advertising and about just saying that you
got a new design. I think that there are many designers who are posting
"here is my new design" type messages... there are some who get picked on,
saying they do it excessively... But it seems to only to certain designers
who as a person seem to not be liked by the person picking on them for one
reason or another... If people say that they want to see more posts from
designers, to know what is in the pipeline, and to have questions answered,
then do not pick on a minority of them... if people say they want to see
messages from designers, it should mean unreservedly (sp?) all of them...
Just my constructive criticism about this issue raised...
Pat Porter
the website is perfectly legitimate according to the charter, as is
including your URL in your signature. Swamping the group with your
information was always frowned upon. (You used to do it yourself, Nathalie,
as I recall. Thankfully you don`t do it now.) I`ve said time and time again
that I`m not picking on Marilyn because I don`t like her - I don`t really
know her, but I like what I DO know about her - there`s nothing personal
about it, as I`ve always said. I`d say the same thing to my best friend if
I thought it needed saying.
You and your fans are now obviously doing the right thing and emailing about
things. It`s always so nice to receive unsolicited approval by email and
means so much more imho.
I don`t thinnk I`d go so far as to think that liking or disliking the person
has any relevance to wanting to stitch the designs or not though! If I like
a design I see I don`t go for a character reference before buy the chart! I
certainly don`t go into my LNS asking if a designer is a child beater or
likely to kick the cat! LOL!
I think most designers are friendly and helpful if you email them, and I
expect, like me, you find a friendly, helpful reply encourages more orders!
Since you mention it, you`re right about Monica Pulver, but even she doesn`t
do it quite as much!
Cheers
Pat
East Anglian Xstitch Designs
http://homepages.tesco.net/~porter
Old village scenes.
"Nathalie" wrote
Sally
> From: "Pat Porter" <pat.p...@ntlworld.com>
> Organization: ntlworld News Service
> Reply-To: "Pat Porter" <pat.p...@ntlworld.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 19:01:18 +0100
> Subject: Re: MLI Needlepaints
>
> Since you mention it, you`re right about Monica Pulver, but even she doesn`t
> do it quite as much!
Oh Pat, put a lid on it!
Maybe the fact that Monica Pulver doesn't "do it quite so much" is because
her following here doesn't come close to the numbers of people that enjoy
Marilyn and her products. (nothing negative meant here at all towards MMP,
but I'm sure MLI has many more customers/fans (if you want to call them
that) than MMP.)
More interest = more posts.
And dang.. we wouldn't want to have too many posts revolving around one
person now, would we?!?!?
It sure would be a shame if this place stayed interesting around posts that
are needlework based instead of the petty old nag kind of bickering.
/sarcasm off.
Sally
Sally
> From: deu...@nospamhome.com (Linda D.)
> Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster
> Reply-To: deu...@nospamhome.com
> Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:39:35 GMT
> Subject: Re: MLI Needlepaints...
>
> Possibly, but I kinda doubt it. I've been reading and posting
> to this group for 8 yrs. Told in a Garden designs have been discussed
> many, many times 'with or without' Marilyn's input. As soon as one of
> her new designs is posted to her website there is a post telling
> everyone it's up for viewing, then a discussion about the design.
Hey Linda...
As I've already said earlier this week, I only personally have got one of
MLI's charts in my own stash (doing Celtic Banner right now)... that
said... I don't feel like a "fan" of MLI's... but I absolutely admire and
respect her work.. it's just that her incredible angels aren't quite my cup
of tea (but there are starting to be a few that I am finding tempting
<G>)...
It would be absolutely wonderful if other equally popular designers would
participate here as Marilyn does.. but there are too many rude people that
squawk off about petty things (instead of just shutting up!) that will keep
these other designers from being as accessible as Marilyn.
Although it's true that many of the designers lurk here..(I wouldn't know
this to be true if it weren't for the kind emails I've received from them..
and some of them *never* post here anymore)... and even though once in a
while one may toss in a post.. you don't see them sticking around long
enough to participate in a thread... they just don't want to risk getting
in a tangle with the few sourpusses that ruin it for everybody.
This is truly a shame.
Sally
Sally
> From: Bess <bess_of_...@yahoo.com>
> Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster
> Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:29:04 GMT
> Subject: Re: MLI Needlepaints...
>
> I will support Pat's view.
Bess...
and just why is that?
Sincere question here.
If you don't like the volume of MLI/other designers related posts here, what
kind of posts would you like to really see here?
Sincerely,
Sally
Judy
I came across your group for the first time and am very interested in
the needle paints that you are talking about....I love to do
needlepoint...Is needlepaints anything like needlepoint....
Judy
Nathalie
Judy <wet...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> I came across your group for the first time and am very interested in
> the needle paints that you are talking about....I love to do
> needlepoint...Is needlepaints anything like needlepoint....
Needlepaints are new threads that were created by MLI... The are currently
used in Angel of Mercy II (an MLI pattern)...
Bess
> >Bess...
>
> and just why is that?
Because I think Marilyn uses the board as a way to advertise her stuff. I think
Marilyn often times doesn't think before she types and says things that are
hurtful to others that disagree with her. She recently stated that those people
boycotting her were theives and those that wanted something for nothing or
something similar to that. I don't buy her designs because I don't like them.
If I did like them I'd boycott because I don't like her attitude.
I generally have MLI filtered out so that I can avoid these discussions. I'm a
firm believer in the the Next or Delete button. I ony unfiltered her because
some stitchers I know were interested in the discussion about the Needlepaints.
I don't generally participate in any discussions about MLI because I don't like
to be bombasted by her supporters and I don't like to see others bombasted by
them either.
The majority of the posts I read deal with historic threads and information
therads.
PaulaB
> has any relevance to wanting to stitch the designs or not though! If I like
> a design I see I don`t go for a character reference before buy the chart! I
> certainly don`t go into my LNS asking if a designer is a child beater or
> likely to kick the cat! LOL!
>
who seemed like a nice person, but later she pulled some shenanigans
that were quite rude and underhanded and hurt a lot of people in the
process. Even though one of her designs would make a wonderful gift
for some friends of ours, I just can't bring myself to do it. Even
though it is one of the few things appropriate to do to commemorate
the death of an immediate family member, I know I would be thinking
all the time how hateful this designer was in a certain situation.
I am not a grudge-holding type of person, but this just soured me on
her. I was truly sorry to hear that she did what she did, too...it
just left a very bad taste in my mouth. I felt betrayed, as others
did.
Admittedly, the only MLI's I have done are Baby in a Basket and New
Baby, but she seems like a warm, loving person, and IMHO I don't think
what she says here is out of place. She just seems like one of us
who, by the way, has a thriving business. I hope she stays. I hope
other designers stay, too, and more come. I love hearing from them!!
Just my .02 Paula B.
Babs
as you do. I filter out most of the ot stuff, just my preference. I
applaud your way of dealing with unwanted or uninteresting topics to you.
Babs
Pat Porter
over here (just started recently) where famous people stay as a house-guest
with an ordinary family - just for a day and a night. The "ordinary" people
have to interview them at the end of the period.
The first one to go through this was Michael Winner (The film producer) -
who was utterly charming from beginning to end.
This week it was our dear old Frank Bruno (The Heavyweight champion). He
was a revelation - an irritable, unco-operative and thoroughly humourless
and off-putting man. We were stunned - we`d always thought he was such a
nice man with a nice sense of humour. It didn`t do him any favours at all -
it`s completely changed our opinion of him. The couple said they wouldn`t
want him back, and they`d done all they could to make him comfortable - he
didn`t seem happy with anything, and really didn`t try to hide it. Don`t
forget he was getting paid by the TV company! He didn`t HAVE to do it,
after all.
Good job he didn`t come to our house - I`d have told him to sling his hook
after 15 minutes at the most. Another illusion shattered! We no longer
think of him as "Dear" old Frank Bruno.
Hmm - the designer you refer to - it might have made a difference to me too
if I knew she`d done something really underhand like you describe. I really
meant that just generally disliking her wouldn`t have turned me from doing a
design I liked. You by no means like everyone you come accross.
Isn`t it funny how you can intensely dislike someone on rctn, but if you
talk to them via email, you get on so much better - and make good friends of
them too. Look how Victoria and I used to row, but we get on really well
now, and she`s such a kindhearted girl.
Must be getting soft in my old age! LOL!
Pat P.
East Anglian Xstitch Designs
http://homepages.tesco.net/~porter
Old village scenes.
Paula B. wrote
Diane
> her. I was truly sorry to hear that she did what she did, too...it
> just left a very bad taste in my mouth.
How interesting! I was talking about this with a fellow stitcher today. How about
charts from a designer who behaves like a baby? How about designers who don't
reply to their customers or treat them rudely? What about designers who are
against your political beliefs or donate money to causes you strongly disapprove
of? My point is if we knew everything, there wouldn't be any charts to stitch! :)
I do understand the difficulty of stitching a chart when one has been "stung" or
ignored. Yes it takes all the pleasure out of stitching. When I'm truly upset
with a designer I'll vote with my pocketbook and not buy the design. There's tons
of others out there!
Diane
Gusianna
--
Gussy
WIP: DVG Baby Mice Crib Quilt
Medallions, Bargello Sampler by Loretta Spears
Dawn by Karen Dudzinski
Midas Points Motif Ornaments by Risslee Designs
"Bess" <bess_of_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3B7542E3...@yahoo.com...
Linda D.
<pat.p...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>I probably am, Linda - but in a free world minorities are encouraged to have
>a voice! I have nothing at all personal against Marilyn, who seems a sweet
>person, please understand that -OR her designs, which I admire, and, in
>fact, stitch - my preference being her samplers and people WITHOUT wings.
>All I ever complain about is her use of rctn as her personal message-board.
>
>I haven`t (yet!) been bombarded with threatening messages from her fans! So
>far I`ve only received supportive ones from people whose opinions I
>respect. It was NEVER a matter of disliking her designs (or having a bad
>day!) - and you`ll never find such a remark in any of my posts on the
>subject. I`d never ever knock down a designer`s designs in public. I have a
>favourite designer, but there`s one of his/hers in particular that I
>absolutely loathe - but I`d never specify what or who in public!
>
>Pat P.
Oh yes, everyone is entitled to voice their opinion. I just
think that those who feel as you do are in the minority. Most of us
have no problem whatsoever with Marilyn's posts and actually quite
enjoy them :)
Linda D.
>> >Bess... and just why is that?
On Sat, 11 Aug 2001 20:54:51 GMT, Bess <bess_of_...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Because I think Marilyn uses the board as a way to advertise her stuff.
><snipped>
>If I did like them I'd boycott because I don't like her attitude.
><snipped>
>Best Stitches,
>Bess
I really don't think Marilyn's intent is to 'advertise' when
she posts, I think she enjoys receiving the feedback from stitchers.
And as far as her attitude goes... We have some very strong
personalities on this newsgroup, of which Marilyn is a part of, and
everyone is entitled to their opinion. I often wonder if some of the
things posted would be said if the people were face to face. Somehow,
we don't think long enough about what we've written before clicking on
"send".
I've only met a handful of designers over the years, some of
them I liked and some of them I didn't, but that didn't stop me from
buying their designs if I liked it and wanted to stitch it.
Sharon
obvious. About 6 months before she comes out with something new, we
hear little hints and glories about the coming so and so, then we get a
time limit, then we get the release date - what better way to market
your work than here on this very enthusiastic group. I find it a bit
more in the advertising vein than just being part of the group. Other
designers come on and say 'we have a few new releases if you'd like to
see them go here ...." but they don't go on for months on end like MlI.
Now, mind you, I'm a big fan of MLI and have several of her designs on
my walls and in my stash ... and I know she's a very kind soul - that
part has also been tooted about after the 'good thing' has happened -
more marketing in my mind. But I wouldn't like MLI to leave either,
I've always found her very helpful if I needed the answer to something
about one of her designs - just calm down on the foreplay of the release
of a new design. When you've got it completed, just come on and say so
- ta dah! And come in on our other OT discussions and really be one of
us. That's just my opinion - I've noticed it now for quite some time -
and we all have our right to express our opinion.
Sharon (N.B.)
..................................................................
Pat Porter wrote:
>
> As I understand it, a simple statement advising of a new design being up on
> the website is perfectly legitimate according to the charter, as is
> including your URL in your signature. Swamping the group with your
> information was always frowned upon. (You used to do it yourself, Nathalie,
> as I recall. Thankfully you don`t do it now.) I`ve said time and time again
> that I`m not picking on Marilyn because I don`t like her - I don`t really
> know her, but I like what I DO know about her - there`s nothing personal
> about it, as I`ve always said. I`d say the same thing to my best friend if
> I thought it needed saying.
>
> You and your fans are now obviously doing the right thing and emailing about
> things. It`s always so nice to receive unsolicited approval by email and
> means so much more imho.
>
> I don`t thinnk I`d go so far as to think that liking or disliking the person
> has any relevance to wanting to stitch the designs or not though! If I like
> a design I see I don`t go for a character reference before buy the chart! I
> certainly don`t go into my LNS asking if a designer is a child beater or
> likely to kick the cat! LOL!
>
> I think most designers are friendly and helpful if you email them, and I
> expect, like me, you find a friendly, helpful reply encourages more orders!
>
> Since you mention it, you`re right about Monica Pulver, but even she doesn`t
> do it quite as much!
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
> East Anglian Xstitch Designs
> http://homepages.tesco.net/~porter
> Old village scenes.
>
> "Nathalie" wrote
>
> > The best option is to like and respect a designer as a human being with
> > their own ups and downs in their life and just another human being just
> like
> > you...
> >
> > Yes there is a fine line between advertising and about just saying that
> you
> > got a new design. I think that there are many designers who are posting
> > "here is my new design" type messages... there are some who get picked on,
> > saying they do it excessively... But it seems to only to certain designers
> > who as a person seem to not be liked by the person picking on them for one
> > reason or another... If people say that they want to see more posts from
> > designers, to know what is in the pipeline, and to have questions
> answered,
> > then do not pick on a minority of them... if people say they want to see
> > messages from designers, it should mean unreservedly (sp?) all of them...
> >
> > Just my constructive criticism about this issue raised...
> >
Sally
>
>> I am not a grudge-holding type of person, but this just soured me on
>> her. I was truly sorry to hear that she did what she did, too...it
>> just left a very bad taste in my mouth.
>
> How interesting! I was talking about this with a fellow stitcher today. How
> about
> charts from a designer who behaves like a baby? How about designers who don't
> reply to their customers or treat them rudely? What about designers who are
> against your political beliefs or donate money to causes you strongly
> disapprove
> of? My point is if we knew everything, there wouldn't be any charts to stitch!
>
> Diane
Diane... I'm with you...somewhat.. just know I'm only using your post as a
place to start a rant... (time for the sourpusses to skip this post! <G>)
I'm taking my first break of the day to write this.. and it's now 9:30 pm
and I've been at my shop since 8 this morning... so.. with peanut butter and
jelly sandwich and milk at my side.. here goes: <G>
IMO, the problem lies here in how more than a few people (and I believe
women are notorious about this) just *love* to focus on the negative and
spend their lives bellyaching instead of being grateful and enjoying the
positives. There isn't a human being out there that hasn't let someone down
at some time, or overcommitted themselves, or gotten sick, or blown off
something they were supposed to do, or fell behind, or gotten depressed,
etc.. We all have faults. The problem with this group is that there are a
few that are just ***waiting*** for a reason to bitch and criticize. From
my perspective (as a shop owner) the ones that bitch the loudest are the
most pathetic themselves. The real bitchers are the ones that are too lazy
or insecure to tackle the types of things that the person they are attacking
is putting their heart and soul into (designers, shop owners, etc) Sourpuss
women doing armchair quarterbacking. Ugh.
I posted similarly a week or two ago... if these same "sensitive-type"
people that want to nit-pick someone to death (because they get a chance to
know them on here) had any idea of the kind of scumbags they do business
with on a daily basis... well hell.. they wouldn't have a place to buy
groceries, gas, or anything... let's not even go into what kind jobs many
perverts, sex offenders, and other assorted criminals have. <G> and.. just
how honorable are these same "sensitive types" themselves? Any of these
same people that like to bitch here can't be to peachy to be around in real
life either. (complete guess on my part.. <G>.. but I'd be willing to
gamble that sourpusses here are sourpusses as family members, neighbors,
etc)
I'm sooooooooooooo sick of a few nasty people on here. These last two
rounds over someone being critical of a kind deed.. and then another person
complaining that a prominent person in the industry participates a little
too much here ... well... how disgusting. And how PETTY!!! Think of how
small minded and bitter you all come across because you like to be negative
and throw your worthless weight around (not saying you Diane!). Just
killfile them, right?!?!? No.. that won't fix the problem.. (more on that
later)
I've been working like a dog for the last three weeks.... err... make that
three years!... I've got three computers in front of me trying to do 8
different tasks.. and that's besides the normal routine of customers and all
the other sh*t that comes with running a business. 80 hour weeks are the
norm around here. (My goal is to eventually be able to work 60 hours a
week!)... that said, I like to pop in here for a giggle now and then.. and
with so little time lately to enjoy myself away from this place, I enjoy
"pretending" being a stitcher (because I drop dead when I get home lately)
through all the great posts here by people that have a sense of decency and
respect for the others that participate here. I just wish that the moaners
and groaners would either shut up or take a minute or two to try to put
themselves in the shoes of the person they are attacking.... but hell, that
would take away all their fun as a sourpuss.
The sad thing is that this group *should* be filled with people from the
industry.. and we could all have so much more fun, learn so much more, and
in general have a better experience here if it weren't for sourpusses making
this place inhospitable for anyone of any caliber in this industry! The
shame is, unlike a brick and mortar shop or a home, you can't just throw the
sourpusses out the door and leave everyone else to have a good time. (maybe
a moderated group wouldn't be such a bad thing!)
Anyone that wants to be ever-so-judgmental ought to be spending more time
washing the windows of their glass houses! ... Or maybe their black pots
could use a little more seasoning.
I ***Loathe*** those of you that think nothing of being so bitchy and
critical that you have managed to keep other wonderful designers out of this
group... yeah.. I mean YOU--- and you all know who you are! You pathetic
small minded twits out there! (and let's see who gets offended again
because the shoe fits!.. anyone with a clear heart should be just as sick as
I am because of what this group has lost in the way of participation of
great people because of a few low lifes. (YES.. I SAID THAT! Anyone who had
a decent life themself wouldn't be so bitter as to ruin it for everyone
else. IMO, of course - Misery loves company)
So.. you sourpusses out there.. are you really happy with this group the way
it is? Wouldn't you *really* (in your heart of hearts if you have one) like
to have more creative designers, product experts, and other professionals in
this industry take part here??? Or does it just piss y'all off too much
that when a bunch of positive fun takes place (aka networking, think
tanking, etc) someone in the group might just prosper? Is it just all OK
until someone makes a few too many dollars for *your* comfort? This is so
screwed up.
WHY? and I mean *WHY* do some of you that don't appreciate a certain person
or topic just keep your mouths shut? I just don't understand it. There
have been many threads (and lengthy ones at that) on this NG about some
topics (that were *not* OT) that I just couldn't relate to.. I just don't
"get it" when I see one section of the crowd just raving about something
that I personally find hideous, boring, etc... but I fail to see what would
prompt me to want to jump in and bitch about the thread or the people in it
just because I didn't care for the topic/product/person/etc. (OT debates
excluded here - I don't believe it is OTs that keep designers out of here)
Seems only the real "successful" ones get minced to ribbons around here. I
haven't seen anyone bitch about Mary Monica Pulver milking this group.. and
heck.. it's no secret that her success is founded in part because of this
group. (and Mary.. I wish you nothing but more success, more seeds for
future stories, and participation here..) I'm just trying to make the point
that it must be that some people find it good for their egos to slam someone
that other people look up to. It must give them some kind of bent feeling
of self worth. Ugh.
If I were a designer... HELL (yes, I'm p*ssed).. I ***wouldn't*** think of
posting here just to get beat up by the likes of XXXXXXXX, XXX, and XXXXX.
(quiz of the day - figure out the names of the sourpusses represented by the
X's <G>) (and anyone else I might be forgetting-and you know who you are
<G>). So... XXX... Marilyn did something kind for you.. but you couldn't be
dignified enough to at least just shut up??!?!?! I thought that's what you
English types were known for - dignity. What is wrong with you? I'd bet
it isn't really MLI bugging you.. you got some other crap going down in your
life that makes you one crotchety personality (or do you just bring it on
yourself?) And XXXXX... you just had to chime in again - but wasn't it you
that Marilyn even offered plane fare, hotel and all for you and a friend to
come and see her operations so you could understand her position? She makes
a wonderful gesture of kindness your way .. But yeah.. you got real reason
to bellyache. Oh and XXXXXXXX.. you're just plain nasty. You dig deep to
find reasons to moan and groan as well. Phlooooey to all three of you.. and
any others I'm forgetting at this moment.
If *anyone* deserves to participate in a needlework NG, it's the people that
*create* the industry... and I dare say that people that work their tails
off to be successful in this industry have more right to post to their
heart's content than some bored housewife or irritable minimum wage worker
(for example - no one in particular in mind here) that stitches a few hours
a month and spends countless hours in this NG waiting to "pounce" when
something rubs her sorry butt the wrong way. How pathetic to think
otherwise.
It just takes a few of you sourpusses to get a round of pissing and moaning
going.. and before long, this group tears a designer apart for tiniest of
indiscretions all the while you same people think you are in some sort of
high position to pass such incredible judgements. Phlooooey. Y'all make
your own selves look terrible... and you rob everyone (including yourselves
if you would just realize it) the chance to be blessed with things to be
enjoyed and people that would enrich your lives.
I'm *not* going to say "screw it" and quit coming here.. because there are
so many other wonderful people that I enjoy communicating with... but just
today I got two emails from two very nice ladies saying that they were going
to quit RCTN for a while again because of the petty (and I mean PETTY)
bitching of a few. (and that's not counting sweet Coleen that is suffering
from migraines). The good (for me anyway) more than outweighs what you
miserable sourpusses have done to this NG. I, being the eternal optimist,
would just love to see this group be better than it is though.. and that
won't *ever* happen when a few sourpusses are so critical (to a point of
being cruel) to the very people most of us admire.
While I'm at it.. on the subject of kill filing, hitting "next", etc...
that's all fine and good for those of us that are still here. The problem
is that this doesn't do diddly for helping this group regain the
participation of other respected people of this industry. The sourpusses
blow it for all of us.
So.. sourpusses out there.. go to it.. speak your minds.. and continue to
*guarantee* that other great people that make up this industry don't dare
post in here.
/rant off.
(time for cookies with my pooches <G>)
Sally
Marilyn Leavitt-Imblum
Since the last time we spoke(e-mail) you were as friendly and as
supportive as you could be ???? It is a puzzle to me why you decided I
am a target? If the package of free designs didn't reach you then please
let me know..it happens sometimes and I will fix the problem for you?
Do you see an advertisement when I sign my name? No ...but yours comes
up in color every time you post????? Is that advertising...I think so.
For a month or two I posted very little on this board because I didn't
feel well but I am feeling better and I love talking to other people who
stitch. If I open a board for my designs at my site then I will be
expected to read every post every day and I can't do that...I'd never
get another design finished and it would all be a bunch of praise which
makes me feel embarrassed anyway. Or worse the copyright infringers
would flood the board with their misguided atitudes...I don't need that.
What I do need I find here....a friendly place to talk about anything I
want to talk about...cross stitch or knitting or quilting or sewing.
Sorry but I'm not going anywhere....Marilyn
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Marilyn Leavitt-Imblum
I plead "Quilty" as charged on this point!
As for telling you about a design early....the creative process for a
design can be very exciting...something happens and it is almost magic
and it overwhelms me with excitement! I sit alone in my studio. No one
else care what I design(family and friends). If I tell them about it
they say "Oh that's nice" They don't know anything about cross stitch.
If it were up to me I would post daily of the progress of my work.I'd
show the bits and pieces as they come right online for all to see. I
also let the children open a present on Christmas eve, I can't keep
secrets at all especially the exciting ones.
The release date is something that no one can control but when I say an
approximate date I really think it should certainly be done by then but
the manager took two weeks to get the fabric to the stitchers and the
fastest model stitcher had a death in her family and then we decided to
put the "Needlepaints" into the design....things happen and it makes me
look like a lier when I am not.
So if you all agree I will never say another word about a new design.
Now what do we do with the 30 phone calls a day to my office from
stitchers who want to know the relese of all of the new designs posted
in the coming soon part of my website? Should I go and wipe them out
too? Some people plan to do wedding designs far in advance and they wait
if a new one is coming.
Oh this is a bunch of baloney!
If I can't come into this pristine room and be myself then I'm out of
here!
Marilyn
Sally
> From: Marilyn Leavitt-Imblum <mar...@tiag.com>
> Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED
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> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 12:41:38 -0400
> Subject: Re: MLI Needlepaints
>
> If I can't come into this pristine room and be myself then I'm out of
> here!
>
> Marilyn
Pristine?!?!?!?!?
LOL....
You said "PRISTINE"?!?!?!?!??!
ROFLMAO....
I think it's time for the ones that want this to be a "pristine" place to go
get their bags and start packing!
You also made some good points about enjoying this place when you feel alone
in a studio.... and I guess I enjoy this place for some of the same
reasons.. not that I design.. but I really don't have friends that enjoy
stitching.. LOL... and I have to be a "closet stitcher" <G>... because I'm
with beaders all day long.. and some just can't understand why I'd enjoy my
stitchy stuff as my personal "therapy" time when I've got myself surrounded
by thousands and thousands of dollars worth of beads and beaders all day!
I also don't get out to LNSs very often.. so I do enjoy all the talk about
what is new, etc.. (always afraid I might miss somethin' !!)
LOL..
pristine...
yeah riiiiiight... <G>
<G>
Sally
Diane
called me small minded and bitter. ;)
I admit I can be opinionated but I try to keep an open mind and hear both sides. My
DH still loves me so I must not be too bad (LOL) My MIL however, would fall in your
category. After 7 years I have come to the conclusion she exists to bitch and I
only love her because she birthed DH. Other than that she is insufferable to be
around, complaining about everything and everyone, She would bitch no matter what
forum she was in so I am grateful she hates xstitch :)
Diane
PaulaB
> On a totally different yet related (just!) subject. We have a programme
> over here (just started recently) where famous people stay as a house-guest
> with an ordinary family - just for a day and a night. The "ordinary" people
> have to interview them at the end of the period.
>
> talk to them via email, you get on so much better - and make good friends of
> them too. Look how Victoria and I used to row, but we get on really well
> now, and she`s such a kindhearted girl.
>
> Must be getting soft in my old age! LOL!
>
> Pat P.
>
with Sharon Sabo, who posts here. We met at a shop in Lebanon,
Illinois, and had a good time there (well, I did!) and went out to
lunch. I wish everyone who got all hot and bothered about the Don't
Take the Kids thread could see her beautiful daughters - two of the
sweetest, most well-mannered kids I have ever seen. The little one,
10 months old, was so content and smiley in her sling carrier, and the
4 year old was energetic, curious, and charming. But she didn't
forget to say "Excuse me" when she needed to say something to her mom.
I was very impressed, and we know *lots* of wonderful kids! Sharon's
are priceless. And Sharon herself couldn't be nicer!!
I would like to have Mary Monica. What else can I say?! :-)))
I would also like to have Eileen Bennett, who is an authority on
samplers and sampler history. I have taken three classes from her and
she is funny, gracious, well-read, and very willing to share from her
vast store of knowledge. She also has a great sense of humor and is
quick to see the funnier side of things. She is the best teacher of
needlework techniques I've had the pleasure of taking a class from.
She is clear and concise, but willing to take time to help someone who
needs a little special attention. A very special lady!
Paula B.
Linda D.
<mar...@tiag.com> wrote:
>Dear Sharon,
>
>So if you all agree I will never say another word about a new design.
>Now what do we do with the 30 phone calls a day to my office from
>stitchers who want to know the relese of all of the new designs posted
>in the coming soon part of my website? Should I go and wipe them out
>too? Some people plan to do wedding designs far in advance and they wait
>if a new one is coming.
><snipped>
>Oh this is a bunch of baloney!
>If I can't come into this pristine room and be myself then I'm out of
>here!
>
>Marilyn
No, no, no, no, no!!!!! Don't you go anywhere Missy!!!! Just
because one or two have decided you 'advertise' in your posts means
nothing. The majority of us enjoy your posts, so please stay with us
:)
Linda D.
<mar...@tiag.com> wrote:
>Dear Pat,
>
>Since the last time we spoke(e-mail) you were as friendly and as
>supportive as you could be ???? It is a puzzle to me why you decided I
>am a target? If the package of free designs didn't reach you then please
>let me know..it happens sometimes and I will fix the problem for you?
>
>Do you see an advertisement when I sign my name? No ...but yours comes
>up in color every time you post????? Is that advertising...I think so.
><snipped>
>What I do need I find here....a friendly place to talk about anything I
>want to talk about...cross stitch or knitting or quilting or sewing.
>
>Sorry but I'm not going anywhere....Marilyn
Marilyn, you must have been reading my mind because I thought
exactly the same thing about Pat's sig. line.
Dianne Lewandowski
designer.
When will participants learn this is not a private stitching bee? When
will some participants learn that "civility" (call it manners if you
will) is still necessary?
Hang in there Marilyn. There's too few left. The sensible of us care
that you stay with us.
Dianne
Dianne Lewandowski
"your advertising!". I could personally choke these people with those
sentiments.
It's a long list of *very* knowledgable needleworkers and designers that
RCTN has lost.
It only takes a couple bad apples to spoil the pie.
Dianne
CarlyBear
was the lambasting of others in the group. This practice isn't solely
reserved for this group, as this happens in other groups that I participate
in. I am saddened that people would be so thoughtless of others feelings,
especially to the point that designers would leave this group.
Marilyn, I personally like the updates on future designs, as I am always
dying of curiosity to know what they are going to look like. You are not
advertising. You are sharing your work with us, as other people do. Your
only crime is that you work in the 'industry'. Your work is as exciting and
frustrating to yourself as our work is to us, and you should continue to
share with everyone. I know what it is like to have the need to vent, and
share your thoughts. If you don't, you might just bust!
I am sorry that what other people said hurt you. It hurt me to read what
they said - empathy runs through my blood. Please don't change your style
of posting. I know that I am not the only one who enjoys what you have to
say, whether it pertains to designs, quilting, children, or life. While I
think that people should be free to say what they want, I in no way condone
being a cad. So please, continue as you have. There is no need change what
you do because some don't agree with you. That is the freedom that you
possess, just as everyone else, in this newsgroup.
Lori
P.S. I am a firm believer in killfiles. If you don't like a topic, simply
filter so your panties/boxers don't get all in a bunch.
Marilyn Leavitt-Imblum <mar...@tiag.com> wrote in message
news:3B76B1C2...@tiag.com...
Shirley Shone
Shirley
In article <3B7684C9...@heritageshoppe.com>, Dianne Lewandowski
<dia...@heritageshoppe.com> writes
Shirley Shone
Pat Porter
legal, if you read the FAQs) URL in my signature you`d stop talking about
your designs - THEN where will you be! LOL! Are you a woman of your word, I
wonder?
Psst! Notice anything! Hee-hee!
Pat P.
Kath135
>
Well put Pat :) AND we are all entitled to our opionions and to post them. :)
Keep Stitchin'
Kathee
Kath135
>As to those picking on Marilyn, why is there no similar objection to, for
>instance, Monica Pulver (whom I LOVE!) posting so much and there being so
>many posts about her work
While I don't mind any posts about anyone ... there are certainly many more
about MLI it appears to me. I just think diferences of opinions should be
tolerated about ANYTHING or ANYONE. :)
Keep Stitchin'
Kathee
B&Y Mc Bride
Keep on posting Marilyn, you are doing what we all do - sharing what we are
doing with people who understand!!! I personally enjoy hearing about
designs as they progress and I love knowing the story behind a design.
You post to tell of little celebrations as we all do - I'm as guilty as
anyone else of posting when I have finished something, in fact I think most
of us do that. RCTN is one of the few places where we can find people that
understand why we are so pleased with ourselves when we achieve something
that someone who doesn't stitch finds difficult to understand.
Regards
Yve
CowieLuv
think that those who feel as you do are in the minority.
Unfortuanately, voicing an opinion in here is much like exposing your soft
belly to a hungry lioness! It's sad that RCTN has an international reputation,
not for a place to learn more about a craft, but for sheer NASTINESS.
Most of us
have no problem whatsoever with Marilyn's posts and actually quite
enjoy them
The theatrics are just way over the top for me, jmho. Just sift thru the
post/people one doesn't enjoy, and let's not wallow in all the immature name
calling!
cowie
Louise Sugar
Gee, Pat...why don't you just go cut her phone line so she can't post.....or
better yet go gag her and break her fingers so she can't type or perhaps you
should rewrite the rules for rctn so that no one can discuss anything but
Pat Porter sanctioned topics.....
looks like there is soon going to be no one here but you, your buddies and
your mirror. and BTW it is your attitude here that has kept me from even
thinking about doing any of your stuff....
Enjoy crowing on top of your dung heap Attila cause if you drive Marilyn
away, I'm leaving as well...I've had about all I can take of the
sanctimonious bullshit going on here
and as my father used to say opinions are like assholes...everyone has them
and some are just plain shitty
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Kim Brown
agreed upon some years ago by the vast majority of people who post. (The
lurkers, by definition, did not post and did not register opinions.)
It's in the FAQ if you look! At the time when rctm was formed, the
feeling was that anyone who posted regularly or frequently about their
own merchandise was indeed advertising. That's in the FAQ too. We have
always accepted the worldwide Usenet standard that a mention of an URL
or a business name was fine in a four-line .sig file, since it did not
constitute 'posting' per se. A man's .sig is his castle and it's sacred
in Usenet.
Many many times, it has been discussed whether this is a forum for
designers to tease the market with references to their works. Since this
is a known marketing strategy, we've always agreed that that sort of
thing belongs at rctm. If it's time for a change, then maybe that ought
to be discussed. I can imagine that if *every* designer began to post
little teasers about their works and kept fostering threads about what's
up-and-coming, we'd be swamped by the volume! To be fair, we *have* to
afford the same courtesy to *all* designers, not just the big ones.
After all, who's to decide who can post and who can't? It has to be all
in or none in!
I think we should all pause and go and re-read the FAQ, just to refesh
our memories. Some of the upset about this thread has been borne by
newer members of the group who might not appreciate the climate in which
the FAQ was developed and rctm was formed. If we decide to go against
our own concurred rules, then maybe we need to discuss that. We should
at least stop bellowing at each other because we don't all agree on a
point of order.
Above all, we *must* remember that some people are just as irritated by
designers continually mentioning their wares or their sites as others
are delighted by it! Some find a great deal of information from reading
about an individual designer's processes and others find it royally
boring. Some appreciate prior knowledge of a new design's release and
others feel as though they've been white-anted as a test-market! Who's
right and wrong? Well, no-one, really... But it's not very nice to slam
someone because they disagree with us. (As we keep saying to one another
at length!) :-)
Please note that I haven't stated my own opinion in all this. I don't
feel the need to foist my own feelings on anyone else. I just wanted to
clarify that there *is* commentary about it all in the FAQ. Does anyone
know whether the old discussions about advertising are still archived
anywhere? It would be so useful to be able to look them up and remember
the angst we went through over this issue before!
HTH,
--
Trish {|:OI}
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Linda D.
(big sigh)....this is getting ridiculous :( Pat, you are not
at all funny.
Sally
> From: Kim Brown <kawb...@ozemail.com.au>
snip
> Many many times, it has been discussed whether this is a forum for
> designers to tease the market with references to their works. Since this
> is a known marketing strategy, we've always agreed that that sort of
> thing belongs at rctm. If it's time for a change, then maybe that ought
> to be discussed. I can imagine that if *every* designer began to post
> little teasers about their works and kept fostering threads about what's
> up-and-coming, we'd be swamped by the volume! To be fair, we *have* to
> afford the same courtesy to *all* designers, not just the big ones.
> After all, who's to decide who can post and who can't? It has to be all
> in or none in!
Trish... I love ya... but I gotta disagree in a big way here... and yeah..
I've only been around about a year and half.. so I missed some of this stuff
if it happened way before then.
Now.. from my perspective... it sure looks like the "agreement" back then
accomplished the feat of having some pretty nifty people leaving.
And.. I don't know how it can be *ssooooooo* bad for endless threads to go
on in this NG about certain products or designers.. but it's totally OK for
endless threads to go on in the OT areas.
I skip 99% of the OT stuff... and Lord knows that sometimes that means there
is almost nothing else to read in this group from time to time. <G>..
Wouldn't it be great if there were good discussions going on about other
upcoming designs or products? And just how is that supposed to happen when
the sourpusses are wallowing in OT stuff but coming into these kind of
threads just to be nasty and hateful?
This is just nuts.
>
> I think we should all pause and go and re-read the FAQ, just to refesh
> our memories. Some of the upset about this thread has been borne by
> newer members of the group who might not appreciate the climate in which
> the FAQ was developed and rctm was formed. If we decide to go against
> our own concurred rules, then maybe we need to discuss that. We should
> at least stop bellowing at each other because we don't all agree on a
> point of order.
That's fine... I'd like to see all the OT's stop around here.. and then lets
just see how boring this group gets. Hell, then we won't have any decent On
Topics or OTs going...
Maybe this group should have been named
rec.crafts.textiles.needlework.amateurs.only
??????
Yeah.. I'm probably all wrong here.. but I understood this group was to
*discuss* needlework.. and that (IMO) shouldn't exclude the very people and
their work that create this industry.
It's crazy to me that we can legitimately have a thread that goes on for
weeks about chocolate and frogging, but when a designer has an enthusiastic
discussion going on about her work... well.. let's crucify, huh?
Again.. this is just nuts to me... it all seems so terribly spiteful,
hateful and from my perspective.. it wreaks of small minded pettiness based
in jealousy.
What happened to just being *kind* around here?!?!?!?
There is one faction of some pretty hateful hags in here that I wouldn't
even allow in my shop if I was given the glorious opportunity to throw their
bitter asses out! There is ***no**** reason for these bitter bags to
attack just because they don't like something.
>
> Above all, we *must* remember that some people are just as irritated by
> designers continually mentioning their wares or their sites as others
> are delighted by it!
Yeah, so?!?!? Then why can't they just skip those threads or do a kill file
instead of ruining it for everybody? It's totally OK to run on and on and
on OT though?? These are the same people that seem to really enjoy OTs.
They can't just SHUT UP if it's about a "celebrity" (for lack of a better
word) in here? Again, I think these same sourpusses get some cheap thrill
and it gives their sorry little lives some sort of bent value by critizing
someone that others look up to.
I'd really like to know if these sourpusses would also exhibit the same
tacky behavior if they visited these same designers booths at a show? While
the designer is possibly enjoying a conversation with one of her
customers/friends... would they blast in and run at the mouth being
critical? I'd bet two things.. they either wouldn't have the spine to do
this in real life (the computer is *so* safe to attack behind).. OR.. they
*would* do it.. showing that they are truly scumbags not worthy of the time
to look at them.... and they should be ushered out.
> Some find a great deal of information from reading
> about an individual designer's processes and others find it royally
> boring.
yeah... so?!?!?!? And all the other stuff going on in here isn't equally
interesting/boring to other people? Why are the designers pushed out of
here but some people can go on about circumcision, kids behavior, etc?!?!?
Sheeesh.
>Some appreciate prior knowledge of a new design's release and
> others feel as though they've been white-anted as a test-market! Who's
> right and wrong? Well, no-one, really... But it's not very nice to slam
> someone because they disagree with us. (As we keep saying to one another
> at length!) :-)
>
> Please note that I haven't stated my own opinion in all this. I don't
> feel the need to foist my own feelings on anyone else. I just wanted to
> clarify that there *is* commentary about it all in the FAQ. Does anyone
> know whether the old discussions about advertising are still archived
> anywhere? It would be so useful to be able to look them up and remember
> the angst we went through over this issue before!
I think your real opinion is showing more than you think.
I'm gonna check out those FAQs when I get some extra time.. but I'm more
interested in seeing what exactly was laid down in the charter when this
group was formed. I highly doubt that OTs are blessed here.. but those
aren't the problem.. as most people here are smart enough to just skip over
those or kill file. That doesn't fix the problem with hateful people
blasting designers and manufacturers.. which keeps them out of this group.
Sally
Linda D.
<kawb...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>I just wanted to remind everyone that the 'no advertising' rule was
>agreed upon some years ago by the vast majority of people who post. (The
>lurkers, by definition, did not post and did not register opinions.)
>It's in the FAQ if you look! At the time when rctm was formed, the
>feeling was that anyone who posted regularly or frequently about their
>own merchandise was indeed advertising. That's in the FAQ too. We have
>always accepted the worldwide Usenet standard that a mention of an URL
>or a business name was fine in a four-line .sig file, since it did not
>constitute 'posting' per se. A man's .sig is his castle and it's sacred
>in Usenet.
>HTH,
>--
>Trish {|:OI}
>Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Hmmm... So is this why we've lost people like Melinda Coss
and Lula of Wooly Dreams, and others??? Thea Dueck of The Victoria
Sampler seldom posts and yet I'm sure there are many of us who would
enjoy her posting about what's new and different. How could they
contribute to the group 'without' mentioning their designs? Their
lives virtually revolve around their designing, it would be extremely
difficult to not discuss it.
Jamie Quiroga
processes inherent in stitching when there's no one out in the "real world"
who understands. We come here and announce our latest S.E.X. acquisitions,
our plans for changing fabrics and flosses, who we're going to stitch our
new piece for... THOSE are parts of the "creative processes" of the
stitcher. Marilyn has another set of "thrills" in her creative process and I
for one enjoy reading them. Although most of her designs are not my cup of
tea (I'm more a fan of her daughter, Nora;) her musings on creating the
designs and her expressions of frustration or doubt on the marketing of her
designs and ideas inspire me to try it myself and keep me from "reinventing
the wheel" and making the mistakes she's run into.
Marilyn IS just "one of us" who has had the audacity to forge on ahead of
where we are today because she needed and wanted something more from her
stitching. The idea that women should be ashamed of expecting pay for their
work pokes its ugly head up ALL too often in this field as an artificial
segregation of those who are in the biz from those who are hobbyists. We all
share the same passion-- treating the professionals as a "lesser class" of
people deprives the hobbyists more than the pros.
-Jamie
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EGNeedler
>:)
>
>Keep Stitchin'
>Kathee
Yes, we are all entitled to our own opinions and we may post them if we wish
to, however, it is not essential that we do so.
To use an old cliche, "Discretion is the better part of valor."
Today in our local newspaper is an article about temper, which is evident in
many posts. "Experts say anger isn't the problem----it's how we manage it that
can cause trouble. It seems as if a lot of grown-ups these days could use a
'time-out'."
The article continues:
let others know how you feel but be careful to avoid insults, put-downs,
profanity, negative statements, the use of words as weapons. Use "I" sentences
to get your feelings across rather than accusing statements.
I particularly like one quote: "Think about what your intention is when
letting someone know how you feel." Ms. Wright said. "Are you trying to score
points off the other person, or make a resolution that you like? You're opening
a door here."
Once through the door,, you and that other person have a chance to reach a
win-win situation----a solution that will make both of you content.
I believe that there is some wisdom here that could help all of us if we would
just heed it.
Eleanor the Elder
.
Kath135
to like them or agree with them, but all the same ...
Kathee shaking her head ...
Keep Stitchin'
Kathee
Pat Porter
and an occasional brief notification of a URL update. I very rarely use my
sig. line anyway and have only done so regularly this week - deliberately.
And of course we don`t want Marilyn to go anywhere, but just conform the the
charter even if she is a "big" designer.
Pat P.
Pat Porter
expressing an opinion whether in a minority or not. Minority or majority
has really nothing to do with it. Otherwise you`d have no-one but Americans
posting at all, for instance! ;-)))
Pat P.
--
East Anglian Xstitch Designs
http://homepages.tesco.net/~porter
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