trammed needlepoint?
Cathy S647
i don't think i've seen a good definition of trammed tapestries-i saw several
beautiful designs on the web from beverly designs(?not too sure of the
designer) i think they are stitched some way with wool before you recieve
them-does one stitch over this-or is this the type one just colors in the
backround?i've only dabbled in needlepoint(simple inexpensive kits) but i
would love to do a very nice inticate floral-and there was at least 4 designs
on the web that i would love to own!
TIA!
P.S. does anyone know a source for these in the US-the site i visited is in the
uk and i would like to keep postage down if possible<g>
take care and keep stitching!
cathy
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Nan
Hi, Cathy,
As I understand it, traméed needlepoint is stitched 100 per cent by
the needlepointer, including the design. When you receive the canvas
the design is represented by horizontal fibers of the same kind and
colors you will stitch with. You stitch right over these fibers in the
same color each one of them is.
The word tramé is French and I believe it is pronounced trah-MAY.
(AustinAnne, please correct that if it's wrong, and will you also
please tell us what it means?)
One US source for tramé needlepoint is:
Needlepoint Essentials, Inc.
P.O. Box 810393
Boca Raton FL 33481-0393
Phone: 561-995-7721
Phone outside Florida: 800-976-6428
Fax: 561-998-8284
I have their 5.5 x 8.5-inch full-color free catalog in front of me.
It's 14 pages, of which there are 8 of hand-painted or silk screened
designs, and 3 pages which seem to have traméed designs.
Disclaimer: not affiliated in any way. Also have not ordered anything
yet.
Nan
Nan
Oops, I found another free full-color brochure for printed-canvas and
tramé needlepoint kits:
Susan Merrill Needlework
10 Story Brook Lane (yes, Brook, not Book)
Amherst NH 03031-2604
Phone: 800-955-9911
Fax: 603-672-6277
Quoting from the brochure:
"...we have the most elegant line of needlepoint kits done in
tramé....colors are sewn on lightly in long stitch for you to do your
favorite needlepoint stitch over them....No chart required."
Other info from the brochure:
Kits with printed canvases are from O. Oehlenschlagers, Eftr., in
Denmark, and Jill Gordon. The Danish kits come with chart, picture, 10
ct. penelope canvas and DMC tapestry wool. The Jill Gordon kits are
made in the US. Designs are printed on 10 ct. "premium Zweigart canvas
and each kit comes with Paternayan Wool."
The tramé kits come with penelope canvas and DMC yarn. They are from
Casa Lopez.
HTH,
Nan
Mmeindia
Just curious...for those of you who have done it, what are the benefits as
opposed to a painted canvas? With the trame threads underneath, wouldn't
you be stuck doing the exact color that was on them?
:),
India
Cathy S647
great nan thanks for the 2 leads i will call both today for a catalog!also your
description helped alot-it seems this would be a great way for an np newbie to
start! i definatly will have to list one of these designs on my xmas wish
list!
Steve and Terri
Nan (han...@coastside.net) wrote:
: > P.S. does anyone know a source for these in the US-the site i visited
: > is in the
: > uk and i would like to keep postage down if possible<g>
I saw some of this a couple of weeks ago in a Houston shop --
Turrentine's, for those who know it. It's been a while since I looked
their needlepoint collection over, but I don't recall seeing it before, so
perhaps it's a new addition to their stock.
They also had a Sharon G pen canvas (their only one -- which I bought!)
and they didn't have any of Sharon's stuff the previous time, either.
They've eliminated their counted cross stitch and what little ribbon
embroidery stuff they had (just as well -- they were pretty half-hearted
about it) and they appear to have expanded their yarn selection as well.
Terri
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Anne Gwin
>
> The word tramé is French and I believe it is pronounced trah-MAY.
Yes, bravo!
> (AustinAnne, please correct that if it's wrong, and will you also
> please tell us what it means?)
"Une trame" (oon TRAHM--the noun--no accent on the e) is a technical word
meaning "weft, woof." (Any weavers who can tell us the difference between
weft and woof, if any?) As a general nontechnical word, it means
framework. The verb "tramer" (trah-MAY) means to weave, but also to hatch
a plot. Both senses seem appropriate for RCTN right now! ;-) (That's a
joke.)
AustinAnne
</picky French teacher mode>
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Anne Donnelly
Cathy S647 wrote:
>
> i don't think i've seen a good definition of trammed tapestries-i saw several
> beautiful designs on the web from beverly designs(?not too sure of the
> designer) i think they are stitched some way with wool before you recieve
> them-does one stitch over this-or is this the type one just colors in the
> backround?i've only dabbled in needlepoint(simple inexpensive kits) but i
> would love to do a very nice inticate floral-and there was at least 4 designs
> on the web that i would love to own!
> TIA!
Cathy,
I've seen these for sale. The pattern is picked out
in wool (vertical stitches, I think) and you stitch
over it.
The ones I've seen have always been very expensive
presumably because of the work involved.
HTH
Anne Donnelly
Anne Gwin
In article <19971029021...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
erive...@aol.com (ERivera308) wrote:
> not done them yet. You have to do the half cross stitch on them. The
> continental or the basketweave would be too bulky for pillows. Her
pieces are
Here's a dumb question: does trame work look different when finished than
regular counted or painted canvas work? I had the impression you did
other-than-tent stitches on it...
AustinAnne
ERivera308
Hi Cathy
There is a place in Florida that sells tramme needlepoint. It is run by Sonia
Chapell. The address is 10241 Metro Parkway, Suite 112, Fort Myers, Fl.
33912. Phone is (941)275-7383. She has a catalog. Sonia had a store here in
NYC but decided to go to Florida. I have some of her tramme needlepoint. She
had a big sale before she left for Florida. Her designs are lovely. I have
not done them yet. You have to do the half cross stitch on them. The
continental or the basketweave would be too bulky for pillows. Her pieces are
done on the Island of Madeira which belongs to Portugal. If you are a member
of ANG she had an ad. in the Needle Pointers (ANG magazine) issue April/May
1996. There are a number of pictures (10) on four pages. You can get an idea
of her designs.
Happy Stitching
EdithNYC
Anne Gwin
In article <345645...@coastside.net>, han...@coastside.net wrote:
> I can answer that, thanks to Liz Turner Diehl's explanation in her
> excellent Needlepoint Basics class: On the loom, the warp threads are
> vertical, and the weft threads are horizontal. Liz remembers this by
> means of a mnemonic device: The weft threads, being horizontal, go
> *weft* to right!
>
So what's the woof? And *don't* say it's what keeps us out of the wain!!
ERivera308
Hi Anne
If you do the half cross stitch, the front looks like the continental stitch,
but the back is not covered like the continental stitch. If the piece is
going to get a lot of wear, then you do not use the half cross stitch. If its
just a pillow which is just for show, use the half cross stitch. A friend of
mine did a small piece (tramme) and she did the basketweave and it was sort of
bulky. The reason is that you a stitching on top of wool threads and you are
adding another stitch (done in wool).
Happy Stitching
EdithNYC
Katrina Worley
OK- a weaving primer; the warp is the lengthwise threads that are
stretched on the loom. The weft is the crosswise threads that run side to
side. "Woof" is an archaic term for weft (you don't see it used much
after the 1950's). You can have "warp and weft", or "warp and woof", but
"weft and woof " are repetively redundant. As an old weaver once asked,
"once you've warped, what's weft?" answer: "the woof is weft"
- Katrina
In article <3456FE...@coastside.net>, han...@coastside.net wrote:
> The woof is another word for the warp, I think. There are only the two
> sets of threads, and if the weft is one of them, the other has to be the
> woof *and* the warp. *Or* the warp. *Either* the woof or the warp. Or
> something.
>
> Nan, who is probably going to start calling it the Worf and be done with
> it. :-D
J. S. Koster
Anne Gwin wrote:
>
> So what's the woof? And *don't* say it's what keeps us out of the wain!!
>
> AustinAnne
>
If my memory serves me (and it often doesn't), thinking back to long-ago
weaving classes - I think the "woof" is the "weft" thread. I seem to
recall talking warp and woof...
Joan K. (who, believe it or not, *taught* weaving one semester during
college days, because the instructors were too busy off being political
activists to teach the class themselves)
ruth harris F
My dictionary defines woof as the thread for the weft, which is the
thread that crosses the warp, which it defines as 'the threads stretched
out lengthways in a loom to be crossed by a woof'. It also contains
'woofy', defined as 'dense in texture.'
Ruth (who was woofy to her kids, a while ago.)
rha...@mach1.wlu.ca
Nan (han...@coastside.net) wrote:
: Anne Gwin wrote:
:
: > So what's the woof? And *don't* say it's what keeps us out of the wain!!
: >
: > AustinAnne
:
: Oh, siwwy, these days caws and twucks keep us out of the wain. Woofs
: don't nawmawwy cawwy things. ;-D
:
: The woof is another word for the warp, I think. There are only the two
Cathy S647
hi everyone!
i wanted to thank everyone who responded to this thread-looks like i'm going to
have to add a couple of these to my xmas wish list
Martha Beth Lewis
Woof is the old name for weft.
Weft threads run left to right, that is, from selvage to selvage.
Warp threads (which are put on the loom first and thus are less
flexible) run from cut edge to cut edge. mb
Melinda Coss
(Any weavers who can tell us the difference
> between
> weft and woof, if any?)
a printed/painted canvas or pattern area. These define the position of
the colours and also add substance to the needlepoint stitches (tent or
half cross or cross) which should be worked over these weft threads.
'Woof' is a sound made by the royal poodle when she wishes to make a
valid comment.
Queen
Katrina Worley
> Anne Gwin wrote:
>> <snip>(Any weavers who can tell us the difference between
> > weft and woof, if any?) As a general nontechnical word, it means
> > framework.
> > AustinAnne
> > </picky French teacher mode>
>
> I can answer that, thanks to Liz Turner Diehl's explanation in her
> excellent Needlepoint Basics class: On the loom, the warp threads are
> vertical, and the weft threads are horizontal. Liz remembers this by
> means of a mnemonic device: The weft threads, being horizontal, go
> *weft* to right!
>
> In case anyone wonders why we were talking about looms in a
> needlepoint class, Liz was explaining stuff about the weave of the
> canvases.
>
> Nan
Just for the sake of fully confusing everyone, the warp is the set of
threads which are stretched on the loom (ie., the lengthwise ones in a
length of fabric), and the weft is the crosswise ones. I don't like the
"vertical/horizontal" distinction since most looms have a horizontal
orientation. The word "woof" is an archaic term for weft. Selvedges
("self-edges") are where the weft thread "turns around" on the last warp
and goes back across to the other side. Threading the warp through all
the moving parts is the time consuming and tedious part of setting up the
loom; the weaving itself is fairly straightforward. As the old joke goes,
"once you've warped, what's weft? The woof is weft."
Katrina
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> i don't think i've seen a good definition of trammed tapestries-i saw several
> beautiful designs on the web from beverly designs(?not too sure of the
> designer) i think they are stitched some way with wool before you recieve
> them-does one stitch over this-or is this the type one just colors in the
> backround?i've only dabbled in needlepoint(simple inexpensive kits) but i
> would love to do a very nice inticate floral-and there was at least 4 designs
> on the web that i would love to own!
> TIA!
> uk and i would like to keep postage down if possible<g>
> cathy
>
> "may you live all the days of your life"-swift
Tramme means "weft" which may indicate the direction it is stitched (left to right/right to left or just plain horizontal). This will most likely be my last tramme; it was a bit frustrating... Chris
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