Anchor vs. DMC?
Barbara Joyce
to-do over DMC's new policy banning Internet sales of their floss, it
might be a good time to revisit it.
In my two recent classes with Rae Iverson (which were wonderful--she is
a great teacher!) she noted that all of her kits come with full skeins
of Anchor floss. She didn't go into great detail, but stated
unequivocally that she believes Anchor floss is a superior product,
far, far better than DMC. I'm sorry there wasn't an opportunity to get
more information on this subject from her--why she had formed this
opinion.
In my experience, Anchor costs more than DMC, but the total cost of
floss in a project is minimal, so I would be willing to consider
switching. I haven't used much Anchor, but the little bit I have, I
haven't noticed a difference between it and DMC.
What is your opinion? Do you see a difference, and if so, which is
your preference, and why?
Thanks,
Barbara
Karen C - California
of floss. I now live in a much bigger city, where my choices are limited to
DMC, DMC, and DMC.
My mail order sources also carry only DMC, not Anchor, Coats, Susan Bates, etc.
I wish I had a choice, but I don't.
Finished 2/24/2000 - Sweet 16 (Silver Lining)
WIP:Mermaid of the Pearls, Teen Creed, California Sampler, America the
Beautiful (Nimble Needle), antique green doll (Vervaco)
Don't risk your on-line privileges! I forward all Spam to administration.
COLVIN
week. I haven't used it before and it was a little more expensive than DMC.
I will let the group know how it performs for me. Happy stitching, y'all!
kc
(in southeast Texas)
Barbara Joyce <bej...@radix.net> wrote in message
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Arliss Link
because I haven't used Anchor very much. This product is not available
here, while DMC is available at Hancock Fabrics, JoAnn Fabrics, Ben
Franklin, and WalMart. I do know that if I ordered Anchor from Nordic
Needle, I would pay at least twice as much as I pay for DMC when I shop
at Hancock's. If I have a project that uses 50 colors (and if I had to
buy all the floss new), the difference in cost is quite significant.
It's even more significant if I'm stitching one of the TW or Marty Bell
designs which can use 90+ colors.
Arliss (in Bismarck. I think we had summer that day in February when it
was 71; April has been quite chilly, so it must be fall now.)
Barbara Joyce wrote:
>
> I believe this question has been discussed before, but with the current
> to-do over DMC's new policy banning Internet sales of their floss, it
> might be a good time to revisit it.
>
wol...@pacbell.net
news:20000412180448...@ng-cn1.aol.com...
> My opinion is that once upon a time I lived near a store that had four
brands
> of floss. I now live in a much bigger city, where my choices are limited
to
> DMC, DMC, and DMC.
>
> My mail order sources also carry only DMC, not Anchor, Coats, Susan Bates,
etc.
>
> I wish I had a choice, but I don't.
Why not? If you don't want to do business over the Net, what about online
shops with 800 phone numbers who will take your order over the phone?
Nan Evelyn
kathy albright
pronounced, and they don't have a dye lot problem which DMC seems to
have. DMC is too inconsistent to me. I do realize that many people do
not have access to Anchor and, therefore, do not have a choice. I
happen to have a choice, and I prefer DMC.
FYI, someone on here one day said that their Michael's carries Anchor.
So maybe if more people asked some of the chain stores to carry it, they
would. Just a thought.
KathyA-Houston
Brigitte
used to stitch with Anchor as it is the only floss I can get at our local
store. By the time I discovered DMC in a neighbourtown several miles away
and it has the same price like Anchor, $ 1 for a skein. Let me tell you that
you never will find a killer sale or something like that here.
But then I visited in the USA for the first time, found DMC on sale, bought
any color I could get and since then I惴 stitching with DMC.
I didnæ„’ realize a difference and never had trouble with the floss.
Brigitte,Germany
--
Greetings from the Needlewitch !
http://home.t-online.de/home/TB.Pohlmann/welcome.htm
Richard
wrote:
>In my two recent classes with Rae Iverson (which were wonderful--she is
>a great teacher!) she noted that all of her kits come with full skeins
>of Anchor floss. She didn't go into great detail, but stated
>unequivocally that she believes Anchor floss is a superior product,
>
>What is your opinion? Do you see a difference, and if so, which is
>your preference, and why?
>
>Thanks,
>Barbara
I use both, they are both a quality project. I prefer Anchor, I think
it is brighter and thicker, providing better coverage. But I think
DMC coverage is good. I pay .50 for Anchor and can get DMC for .29 or
4 /5 for a $1 on sale. I think it is worth it. I love putting
together the Anchor floss for a project and seeing the colors all
together.
Rg
Heather Lott
Barbara Joyce <bej...@radix.net> wrote:
<snip>
> In my two recent classes with Rae Iverson (which were wonderful--she
is
> a great teacher!) she noted that all of her kits come with full skeins
> of Anchor floss. She didn't go into great detail, but stated
> unequivocally that she believes Anchor floss is a superior product,
get
> more information on this subject from her--why she had formed this
> opinion.
Isn't Rae great? I have not worked a LOT with Anchor, but I am working
with it now (one of Rae's designs, actually). It seems to be holding
its sheen longer. I'm doing things like pulled four-sided stitch and
Nun's stitch with one strand, and it seems to be getting less "fuzzy"
than DMC would after the same amount of stitches with the same length.
There's not a *huge* difference that I can tell yet, though. I've
heard many say that Anchor tangles less than DMC.
Don't quote me on this, but I believe that DMC is made with Pima
cotton. I know that Anchor is made with Giza cotton. Both are
Egyptian long-staple cottons. What does this mean? It means that the
two companies use cottons that are grown in different regions of Egypt
(where the best cotton comes from, aparently). I have no idea of what
the differences in the two types are. "Long-staple" means that the
cotton fibers are long, and thus less prone to fuzzies when twisted
together to form floss. So there *is* a difference (different cotton),
but I don't know if either is really "better" than the other.
-Heather Lott
--
Rotation: Cross My Heart "First Nativity" stocking, Mirabilia's Autumn
Queen, TW's "Magical Night," Eileen Bennett's "Lace Squares," Moss
Creek ASG Commemorative Scissors Fob, Just Nan's Lady Scarlett's Journey
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Charly
don't like DMC as a company. I much prefer to work with Coats (Anchor)
because their staff is so much more friendly and helpful. If an error is
made (I've only had it happen once) they bend over backwards to make it
right. I can't even get a return phone call from DMC.
IMO, the floss is the same quality, although many people seem to see a
difference depending on their bias. I think it also depends on the colours
(dyes used) which is better. I much prefer Anchor's white and black. I
also like their yellows, reds and oranges more - they are smoother. Aside
from that the main difference is the colour ranges. DMC has different
colour ranges - more greys and browns, Anchor has more reds/oranges/yellows.
Because my designs are so bright, Anchor works much better for me.
--
Charly Thompson
Risslee Designs
www.risslee.com
"Barbara Joyce" <bej...@radix.net> wrote in message
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> I believe this question has been discussed before, but with the current
> to-do over DMC's new policy banning Internet sales of their floss, it
> might be a good time to revisit it.
>
> In my two recent classes with Rae Iverson (which were wonderful--she is
> a great teacher!) she noted that all of her kits come with full skeins
> of Anchor floss. She didn't go into great detail, but stated
> unequivocally that she believes Anchor floss is a superior product,
> far, far better than DMC. I'm sorry there wasn't an opportunity to get
> more information on this subject from her--why she had formed this
> opinion.
>
> In my experience, Anchor costs more than DMC, but the total cost of
> floss in a project is minimal, so I would be willing to consider
> switching. I haven't used much Anchor, but the little bit I have, I
> haven't noticed a difference between it and DMC.
>
News
always been very good to me (and timely). Have you submitted a design to
the design bank Charly? That way you get on their mailing list and get
anything new (plus your new designer package! which is wonderful!). I just
send email with my sample requests and they mail it out. No fuss or bother
at all. I love it when I can work with manufacturers this way (without
having to make the dreaded call!).
OTOH, I am quite fond of Anchor. I've not used it much in designs because
of the availability in the us.
I don't know that I prefer one over the other. I have cabinets full of
anchor left over from when I was a shopowner. But I pretty much exclusively
design with DMC.
I would love to do designs with both! Although if I had to choose a color
line...anchor would win. I think their colors are clearer. But as a
designer I *do* have to give in somewhat to what is available.
Lesa
--
Lesa & Mark Steele
LS Designs
http://www.lesasteeledesigns.com
"Charly" <risslee...@home.com> wrote in message
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Bmciowa
>What is your opinion? Do you see a difference, and if so, which is
>your preference, and why?
>
>Thanks,
>Barbara
Frankly, I don't see much of a difference. I know some people feel very
strongly about this, but I'm just not one of them.
WIPs:
LTD Knot Garden
Drawn Thread Random Thoughts
Karen C - California
just number, for those of us who can't get different brands.
I do have some books which are intended for worldwide distribution which list
"666 bright Christmas red" and "444 canary yellow", which makes it a lot easier
to substitute floss brands than a chart with only a list of numbers. I
inherited a ton of old floss from my great aunt, brands that no longer exist or
are only available overseas. When I have a chart that lists color names, I can
often pull enough floss from that box to save myself a bus trip to LNS.
Nyssa
the folks at Anchor much easier to work with than their counterparts
at DMC. I've never had any problems getting the fibers I've requested
from Anchor, but I can't even seem to get the DMC designer liason people
to return phone messages. And yes, Lesa, I have submitted copies of my
designs to them for their records that use their products.
But I do know that each stitcher has his/her own preferences or just
plain can't find one brand over another so my designs (except the
freebies and Monologs) list Anchor *and* DMC in the materials list,
even if the model was stitched in silk. To each his own.
One can only hope someone at DMC marketing wakes up and remembers the
basic principles of good marketing and customer relations before their
new alleged policy bites them...hard!
Nyssa
At River's End
http://www.concentric.net/~Nyssa
Uglyduck
kmc...@aol.com.LuvXS says...
never named their floss.
However, if you go to the following site you will be rewarded by a
chart for DMC floss showing Colour Swatches.
You should then be able to use conversion tables for non DMC floss
to track back to the actual colour.:-
http://www.aion.demon.co.uk/info/dmcval2.htm
There is a lot of other good info on the site too.....
Have fun.......
Keith
Uglyduck
ugly...@home.happy says...
> It is difficult for designers to list Colour names as DMC etc have
> never named their floss.
> However, if you go to the following site you will be rewarded by a
> chart for DMC floss showing Colour Swatches.
> You should then be able to use conversion tables for non DMC floss
> to track back to the actual colour.:-
> http://www.aion.demon.co.uk/info/dmcval2.htm
>
http://www.craftsoft.com/1171.shtml
for what looks like a very useful product.
Have fun........
Keith
sere...@my-deja.com
Heather Lott <lott...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> In article <120420001703573871%bej...@radix.net>,
> Barbara Joyce <bej...@radix.net> wrote:
> <snip>
> is
> > a great teacher!) she noted that all of her kits come with full
skeins
> > of Anchor floss. She didn't go into great detail, but stated
> > unequivocally that she believes Anchor floss is a superior product,
>
> Don't quote me on this, but I believe that DMC is made with Pima
> cotton. I know that Anchor is made with Giza cotton. Both are
> Egyptian long-staple cottons. What does this mean? It means that the
> two companies use cottons that are grown in different regions of Egypt
> (where the best cotton comes from, aparently). I have no idea of what
> the differences in the two types are. "Long-staple" means that the
> cotton fibers are long, and thus less prone to fuzzies when twisted
> together to form floss. So there *is* a difference (different
cotton),
> but I don't know if either is really "better" than the other.
>
> -Heather Lott
I took a class from Rae at SOXS, once upon a time, and her opinion then
was the same.
Neither do I know where each brand gets their cotton, but Pima is
actually Egyptian cotton grown in the US. There are (probably
apocryphal) stories about the seeds being smuggled from Egypt to
Arizona, where the Pima Indians lived... There may have been
genetic tinkering since then, but the original source was the same.
Pima and Supima are trade names for this cotton, which has to meet
certain quality standards to use the names.
I've used Anchor in Rae Iverson's kits and a couple of other projects as
well. I don't (or didn't :-) see enough difference to switch, but I
quite like Anchor. IME it does have a slightly 'silkier' hand, but I
didn't notice either less tangling or better coverage. (Now, most of
what I do is over-one these days, so that may influence the latter.)
And, just as with DMC, some colors are smoother and fray less than
others; it has to do with the way the underlying fiber reacts to the
different dyes.
A useful tool is a conversion chart (like Craftsoft's) and/or color
card(s). I have DMC's, Au Ver Au Soie's, Caron's, and a couple of
others. This makes it simple to look up a color number and then choose
a substitute. I often use silks instead of cottons, and rarely work
designs exactly as given, so I refer to my charts often. This is also
useful for things like 'pink, dark; pink, medium; pink, light; baby
pink, very light': are 'pink' and 'baby pink' the same hue, and how
much difference is there between 'dark', 'medium', 'light' and 'very
light'? If I want to use peach instead, what do I need to choose to
avoid losing the color balance? Or how about blue or green, each of
which has several separate color families from each manufacturer, which
may or may not correspond with those of another? These sorts of
decisions are relatively simple with the color card(s) open in front of
you.
HTH.
-- Elizabeth
Heather Lott
ugly...@home.happy (Uglyduck) wrote:
> It is difficult for designers to list Colour names as DMC etc have
> never named their floss.
Actually, they have names for all the floss colors...
http://www.dmc-usa.com/tools/colors/colors1.html.
HTH,
-Heather Lott
--
Rotation: Cross My Heart "First Nativity" stocking, Mirabilia's "Autumn
Queen," TW's "Magical Night," Eileen Bennett's "Lace Squares," Moss
Creek ASG Commemorative Scissors Fob, Just Nan's "Lady Scarlett's
Journey"
Karen C - California
>never named their floss.
You mean you can't tell the difference between light blue, dark blue, really
dark blue by yourself?
Deborah Pesa
>So maybe if more people asked some of the chain stores to carry it, they
>would. Just a thought.
>
>KathyA-Houston
>
Well, currently Michaels is removing some of the DMC colors and generally
downsizing their cross stitch dept so I doubt that they will be carrying
another complete line of floss. Where I live, I have to drive approximately 20
miles to that Michaels, the closest chain store carrying DMC. I don't have
ready access to Anchor. That is my main reason for using DMC. I have no
problem using Anchor if that is what is included in a kitted project, but I
don't buy it as stash.
Deborah Pesa - New York
http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Haven/1646
WIP: Flora-StitchWorld, A Midsummer Night's Fairy - Mirabilia, Wee Scottie -
Heart in Hand DONE!!
Dogs' lives are too short. Their only fault, really.
- AGNES SLIGH TURNBULL
Deb from ToonTown
> > It is difficult for designers to list Colour names as DMC etc have
> > never named their floss.
> > chart for DMC floss showing Colour Swatches.
> > You should then be able to use conversion tables for non DMC floss
> > to track back to the actual colour.:-
> > http://www.aion.demon.co.uk/info/dmcval2.htm
> >
> ....... and if you dont mind spending a few dollars go to:-
>
> http://www.craftsoft.com/1171.shtml
>
> for what looks like a very useful product.
>
> Have fun........
>
> Keith
There is a color name list at
http://www.dmc-usa.com/tools/colors/colors1.html . There is a
disclaimer that reads "Please note that DMC refers to its colors by
number only. Any color names given to our colors are done so by the
individual designer of a publication or chart. The color names on this
list have been assigned to DMC's Six
Strand Embroidery Floss and Pearl Cotton colors by consensus. This list
may aid you in choosing the correct DMC colors. However, the names
assigned to these colors on your chart may differ from this listing so
it would be best for you to make the final decision."
HTH
Deb B
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CatWom7711
>> cotton. I know that Anchor is made with Giza cotton. Both are
>> Egyptian long-staple cottons
See that cotton name up there -- the one that says PIMA? That's because this
cotton was originally grown in Arizona by the PIMA Indians on the reservation
and is STILL grown there. It might be grown in Egypt now too, but then it
wouldn't really be PIMA cotton any more would it? CiaoMeow >^;;^<
PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (remove nekoluvr to e-mail)
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their
WHISKERS!! Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs -- and they make the
BEST specialty fibers too!
Kathy Hoover
ugly...@home.happy says...
> >
> It is difficult for designers to list Colour names as DMC etc have
> never named their floss.
> However, if you go to the following site you will be rewarded by a
> chart for DMC floss showing Colour Swatches.
> You should then be able to use conversion tables for non DMC floss
> to track back to the actual colour.:-
> http://www.aion.demon.co.uk/info/dmcval2.htm
>
> There is a lot of other good info on the site too.....
>
>
> Have fun.......
> Keith
>
I checked out the site above, and it seems useful, but I'd take
the RGB color swatches with a grain of salt....the 500 to 503 range
is in grays rather than the green range it should be, and the 699
to 702 green range is all wrong. In fact a lot of colors are gray
rather than actual color, so this wouldn't be much help in trying
to convert another brand to DMC. Maybe it's my computer tho'...
I don't know much about computer color graphics, only that for me
this would not be any help. DMC does make a folder of actual
floss snips that you can buy. Walmart sells it, as does many other
retailers. They don't name their colors but the folder lists them
by color family, with a cross reference in numerical order.
Kathy
Kathy Hoover
says...
> In article <MPG.136030192...@news.abcs.com>,
> ugly...@home.happy (Uglyduck) wrote:
> > It is difficult for designers to list Colour names as DMC etc have
> > never named their floss.
> Actually, they have names for all the floss colors...
> http://www.dmc-usa.com/tools/colors/colors1.html.
>
> HTH,
> -Heather Lott
Check at the bottom of the link page above, where DMC says
quote "Please note that DMC refers to its colors by number only. Any
of a publication or chart. The color names on this list have been
assigned to DMC's Six Strand Embroidery Floss and Pearl Cotton colors by
consensus. This list may aid you in choosing the correct DMC colors.
However, the names assigned to these colors on your chart may differ
from this listing so it would be best for you to make the final
decision."
So these are the consensus names, Huh? At least they listen to
us sometimes....
Kathy
Karen C - California
>assigned to DMC's Six Strand Embroidery Floss and Pearl Cotton colors by
>consensus.
I don't care if they've been assigned by the tooth fairy, as long as there's
some sort of name to help me substitute non-DMC floss from stash! The swatch
chart that I have is in no particular order. If all I have to go on is a
number, it may take me 5 minutes to identify something as little as whether
it's red, yellow, or green, much less whether I want to call it pastel green,
lime green or pine green. If I'm working on something with 15-20 colors, and
all I have is numbers, it's faster and easier to just order the DMC than to try
to pull floss from stash, or try to substitute Anchor or Coats or MEZ
Sticktwist. When you have something as large as an MLI angel reduced to a 3"
photo, you can't see the individual stitches so you can compare to that area of
the chart to decide whether X is green or blue, much less the exact hue.
OTOH, I have a number of books from European designers which don't even attempt
to list numbers for the many brands available around the world, but identify
the colors as "light blue", "lightest blue", "greenish blue", "bluish green" so
that you don't need to go find a conversion chart if you can't get the
particular brand of floss the numbers refer to. They give us some credit for
having sufficient intelligence to match up colors to either the photo or our
personal preference, or to work with what's available rather than running all
over creation looking for a skein of DMC 226 (which I once spent three months
looking for, including having friends in several other states looking, because
for some reason it was selling out nationwide). At the time, I didn't have a
color card, and wasn't able to substitute from stash. If the designer had
politely indicated that it was pale blush pink, I certainly would have been
able to find something somewhere in stash that was acceptable instead of
running all over the county every 2 weeks checking every single LNS.
We here in the US can *usually* find all the colors we need. However, I have
contacts in Russia and the former East Germany who considered themselves
fortunate to find floss at all, much less being picky about the fact that the
chart calls out 226 and all they can find is 225. I sent a kit to East Germany
which reduced Angelika to tears, because she'd never in her life imagined there
could be that many shades of green available. I sure wasn't going to tell her
that she was looking at only two color ranges of the six or eight available to
me!
Elizabeth
>running all over the county every 2 weeks checking every single LNS.
>
I'm sure that this was very frustrating, but you could save yourself a lot of
time and money by calling the shops first and making sure that they have what
you need before going over. Of course, this *is* assuming that a competent
sales person answers the phone and is able to tell you accurately what they
have in stock, which seems to be asking too much from most businesses these
days...
;-)
Elizabeth
JUST FINISHED -- Antique Doll Sisters from Lanarte and SB Millennium needleroll
WIP: Carousel Pegasus by True Colors charts
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity..."
(remove 'spamless' to reply)
Heather Lott
Kathy Hoover <kho...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> In article <8d5a1s$7jg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, lott...@mindspring.com
> says...
> > In article <MPG.136030192...@news.abcs.com>,
> > ugly...@home.happy (Uglyduck) wrote:
> > > It is difficult for designers to list Colour names as DMC etc
have
> > > never named their floss.
> > <snip>
> > Actually, they have names for all the floss colors...
> > http://www.dmc-usa.com/tools/colors/colors1.html.
> >
> > HTH,
> > -Heather Lott
> Hey Heather!
> Check at the bottom of the link page above, where DMC says
> quote "Please note that DMC refers to its colors by number only. Any
> color names given to our colors are done so by the individual
designer
Oops...I blew that one, Kathy! Thanks for the reality check! :) At
least DMC is making this the de facto "standard" so those with no LNS
can make a stab at what colors they need.
-Heather (read the WHOLE page, silly!) Lott
wal...@midwest.net
the other. My feeling is that we as humans tend to be "brand snobs"
at times.
Case in point - I got into a discussion with people about a certain
food product. The two brands being discussed were hotly supported by
their fans. The thing is - I knew someone who processed these foods
and they were done by the same people, with almost no change at all
except for the label. The same thing applies to other products. For
instance, at one time the Eureka Williams company made all the vacuum
cleaners for Sears (IIRC) as well as their own brand. The difference
was mere color and bag fabric.
My point is, price doesn't indicate quality but we are willing to give
that factor some weight in our decision. We "assume" the costlier
product is superior because we wouldn't want to be caught paying more
for less. We've all heard the incorrect stories from people
supposedly "in the know" about DMC or Anchor and how there were
supposed to be different grades of quality depending on LNS or
discount store. We've disproved that over and over again.
Use either or both. Both brands have proven themselves over time and
there really isn't a big deal if you mix both products in the same
project. Go for it ! Moni
News
The color names which are generally accepted where provided by Gloria Steele
of Gloria & Pat *many* years ago (the 70's maybe?). These are the color
names DMC lists and which are listed all over the place.
Lesa
--
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"Kathy Hoover" <kho...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> In article <8d5a1s$7jg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, lott...@mindspring.com
> says...
> > In article <MPG.136030192...@news.abcs.com>,
> > ugly...@home.happy (Uglyduck) wrote:
> > > It is difficult for designers to list Colour names as DMC etc have
> > > never named their floss.
> > <snip>
> > Actually, they have names for all the floss colors...
> > http://www.dmc-usa.com/tools/colors/colors1.html.
> >
> > HTH,
> > -Heather Lott
> Hey Heather!
> Check at the bottom of the link page above, where DMC says
> quote "Please note that DMC refers to its colors by number only. Any
> color names given to our colors are done so by the individual designer
> of a publication or chart. The color names on this list have been
> assigned to DMC's Six Strand Embroidery Floss and Pearl Cotton colors by
Marilyn Leavitt Imblum
nested the blues and counted the number of colors in each range then I
compared which colors I preferred. I did this for all of the colors. DMC
was the winner hands down. Now, I like a more natural color. Colors that
look like they are dyed in wool (as a knitter these are my favorites)the
DMC line has these rich, close as you can get ,without going to silk
colors. Anchor colors seemed too bright and "crayonish"
As far as DMC being attentive to a designers needs they have always been
quick and eager to help. My only complaint was when they came out with
new colors a couple of years ago and claimed that "the top 25 designers
helped them choose these new ones" Nobody asked me and I think I might
be in the top 25 at least?????
Marilyn Leavitt-Imblum
> > > In my two recent classes with Rae Iverson (which were wonderful--she is
> > > a great teacher!) she noted that all of her kits come with full skeins
> > > of Anchor floss. She didn't go into great detail, but stated
> > > unequivocally that she believes Anchor floss is a superior product,
> > > far, far better than DMC. I'm sorry there wasn't an opportunity to get
> > > more information on this subject from her--why she had formed this
> > > opinion.
> > >
> > > In my experience, Anchor costs more than DMC, but the total cost of
> > > floss in a project is minimal, so I would be willing to consider
> > > switching. I haven't used much Anchor, but the little bit I have, I
> > > haven't noticed a difference between it and DMC.
> > >
Yoli
anchor for .13, .25, .35 respectively. Not affiliated with them,
just wanted to let other people know...
http://www.gossamerdreams.com/aboutgdllc.htm
Yoli
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<snip>
>
> As far as DMC being attentive to a designers needs they have always been
> quick and eager to help. My only complaint was when they came out with
> new colors a couple of years ago and claimed that "the top 25 designers
> helped them choose these new ones" Nobody asked me and I think I might
> be in the top 25 at least?????
I'd certainly place you in the top five -- as you'd know if you could
see my stash!
Nina
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Uglyduck
> says...
> > In article <MPG.136030192...@news.abcs.com>,
> > ugly...@home.happy (Uglyduck) wrote:
> > > It is difficult for designers to list Colour names as DMC etc have
> > > never named their floss.
> > <snip>
> > Actually, they have names for all the floss colors...
> > http://www.dmc-usa.com/tools/colors/colors1.html.
> >
> > HTH,
> > -Heather Lott
page!!!!
Are you always this bombastic or is it because I am a man and new
here?
Not a very good welcome was it!......
Keith
Katie Gustafsson
I'd put you first in the rankings because you haven't designed anything
yet that my needle hasn't yearned to stitch.
Katie
Heather Lott
Wow...I've never been blasted for trying to help before. Guess there's
always a first time. No, I didn't read the whole page first, but when
someone else on the board gently corrected me, I apologized for not
reading the whole thing first. Guess your server did not pick up that
post before you decided to lambast me.
-Heather ("always this bombastic"...especially when I say "Hope This
Helps") Lott
Liesch
Hoffman Distributors, he mentioned that MLI is the best selling cross stitch
designer.
Katie Gustafsson <Ka...@transed.nu> wrote in message
news:38F76ABF...@transed.nu...
KDLark
>at times.
I have been thinking this, also. I haven't stitched with Anchor, so I haven't
tried that test, but I've examined it often in stores and can't really tell a
difference, like I can when I compare Anchor or DMC to those icky brands that
are sold twenty loud colors in a bag at chain stores.
I like to use Consumer Reports magazine to help me with purchases -- I'm sure
it's saved me money. Often their testers find that store brands, less
expensive brands, or making things from scratch out-perform the "snob" brands.
Consider athletic shoes, for example: some of those shoes are so darn
expensive because they're paying certain celebrities huge amounts of money to
shill for them -- not because they are superior shoes. Sometimes one model of
appliance will out-perform other models of the same brand -- and not always the
most expensive model, either! And don't forget how the car people do things
like making the same basic car and sticking another name on it for their
"prestige" line: consider the Taurus and the Sable.
Personally, I give points to the less expensive brand for being less expensive.
Maybe I am a reverse snob?
Katrina L.
Isabel
I prefer Anchor as a line, but like some DMC colors much better (like
500, 501, 502, 503 in DMC). I think Anchor's black and white cover
much better. I don't worry too much about which brand I use if it's a
small, fun project, but for larger, supposed to last awhile project, I
do prefer to use Anchor (or silk, or you get the point). On the other
hand, if I can't get the effect I want from one company, I will mix
and match as well. That said, I think DMC's new policy stinks to high
heaven and think it will create bad feelings between DMC and the
consumer, especially when the consumer uses the Internet all the time
to order. I know that I am extremely lucky to have a wonderful LNS
which carries both DMC and Anchor as well as a wonderful array of
specialty threads.
Isabel
WIPs:
SCHOOL
Karen C - California
>Oh, oh I know the answer to this one (waving arms wildly)....
Gold star for Lesa in the subject of Stitching History!
Karen C - California
>helped them choose these new ones" Nobody asked me and I think I might
>be in the top 25 at least?????
>
most money on. (Cattitudes is in second place, and I don't think there's even
anyone close to being in third.......)
Kristin
every Hobby Lobby, Ben Franklin, and Walmart in the country for decades (Pat
Carson, Alma Lynne, Jeanette Crews, and Dale Burdett all come to mind).
While they may not make the most popular individual designs (they even don't
sell individual designs), and they certainly don't make the best quality or
most artistic designs, they have done such a phenomenal *Volume* business
over the years they are probably pretty far up there.
I suspect it would be difficult for any of our popular contemporary
designers who make primarily singular, large, artistic, expensive, or
complex designs (MLI, TW, Nora Corbett, Thea Dueck, Shepherd's Bush, Emie
Bishop, and so on) to do the volume business it would require to catch up
with a 10 or 20 year head start.
We here may love them all to death, and seek needlework challenges at every
turn. Then again, we get on the computer just to read about it. We actually
log on to talk about floss. On purpose. I don't think we really represent
the whole huge market very well. It's why the Herrschner's Catalog continues
to stock some really cheap stuff, instead of the stuff the majority of us
here admire. There's still a pretty big market for it. As far as a lot of
stores go, it *is* the market, and we're just fanatics.
Just a thought,
Kristin
Denver, CO
"Liesch" <lie...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:8d8104$s49$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net...
Deb from ToonTown
>
> > In article <8d5a1s$7jg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, lott...@mindspring.com
> > says...
> > > In article <MPG.136030192...@news.abcs.com>,
> > > ugly...@home.happy (Uglyduck) wrote:
> > > > It is difficult for designers to list Colour names as DMC etc have
> > > > never named their floss.
> > > <snip>
> > > Actually, they have names for all the floss colors...
> > > http://www.dmc-usa.com/tools/colors/colors1.html.
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > > -Heather Lott
> ..... actually they dont!! Please take the time to read all the
> page!!!!
> Are you always this bombastic or is it because I am a man and new
> here?
> Not a very good welcome was it!......
>
>
> Keith
Welcome Keith! It's neither - we have regular male posters and newbies
all the time. If you go to DMC's American (English only) site you will
find that they do have *unofficial* names. There is a disclaimer at the
bottom of each page that lists floss names to this effect. I quoted
this disclaimer already so I will not do it again. I have found it
useful to have a list of names, unofficial though it may be.
Deb from ToonTown
> <mega snips>
> We here may love them all to death, and seek needlework challenges at every
> turn. Then again, we get on the computer just to read about it. We actually
> log on to talk about floss. On purpose.
Gee, Kristin, you make it sound like such an odd thing to do - I thought
it was perfectly normal! LOL
Uglyduck
> > Keith
>
> Welcome Keith! It's neither - we have regular male posters and newbies
> all the time. If you go to DMC's American (English only) site you will
> find that they do have *unofficial* names. There is a disclaimer at the
> bottom of each page that lists floss names to this effect. I quoted
> this disclaimer already so I will not do it again. I have found it
> useful to have a list of names, unofficial though it may be.
> Deb B
Yes I know.
My (little) point was that DMC have never named their colours.
Having stated that I was curtly told that they do! The Lady(?) was
mistaken as the disclaimer states.
I have used Newsgroups and the Internet for over 15 years and know
that there are people who just love to jump on others mistakes (be it
spelling, grammatical or otherwise). This person thought that I had
made one and was so anxious to correct me that she neglected to check
her facts!
Keith
p.s. Hello to you too......
Jeri
Uglyduck <ugly...@home.happy> wrote in message
news:MPG.13622243f...@news.abcs.com...
> Yes I know.
> My (little) point was that DMC have never named their colours.
> Having stated that I was curtly told that they do! The Lady(?) was
> mistaken as the disclaimer states.
> I have used Newsgroups and the Internet for over 15 years and know
> that there are people who just love to jump on others mistakes (be it
> spelling, grammatical or otherwise). This person thought that I had
> made one and was so anxious to correct me that she neglected to check
> her facts!
>
>
>
> Keith
>
> p.s. Hello to you too......
Curt? That's strange. I read it and I saw a sincere wish to help. No one is
perfect and at times in their haste to help may not be totally accurate but
to question if she's a lady or not? I think you might be overreacting just a
wee bit.
In any case, welcome to RCTN. Sit back, relax, and enjoy the newsgroup. :o)
--
Jeri
starg...@hotmail.com
If you always do what you always did,
then you'll always get what you always got.
Uglyduck
star...@dontsendhere.com says...
>
>> Curt? That's strange. I read it and I saw a sincere wish to help.
No one is
> perfect and at times in their haste to help may not be totally accurate but
> to question if she's a lady or not? I think you might be overreacting just a
> wee bit.
> In any case, welcome to RCTN. Sit back, relax, and enjoy the newsgroup. :o)
..... but then it wasnt directed at you was it?
I had already helped by directing the original poster to a site
where the colours were named.
The woman meant to criticize me, not help the poster. She has
probably got away with it in the past because she is a regular here
and knows she will have the support of the sheep. But ... I bite back
regardless!!
Keith
Becky DuPree
> I have used Newsgroups and the Internet for over 15 years and know
> that there are people who just love to jump on others mistakes (be it
> spelling, grammatical or otherwise). This person thought that I had
> made one and was so anxious to correct me that she neglected to check
> her facts!
And it appears, although it may not be true, that you were equally
willing to jump on her for pointing out a mistake she thought you made.
Kettles and pots....kettles and pots....
--
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Barony of Tir Ysgithr
Kingdom of Atenveldt
per bend sinister purpure and azure a mullet-headed comet bendwise
between two crescents
Becky DuPree, Tucson, AZ
My design
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Photo Album: Cross Stitch, Blackwork, Historical Re-enactment, Family
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maestra...@hotmail.com
people have mentioned price differentials between DMC and Anchor; I'm
just weighing in with MY favorite 6-strand cotton floss brand- Madeira.
(Smoother- double-mercerized and no tangling or bobbins since it comes
in a different sort of package.) 369 colors.
(Online swatched color-conversion chart to/from DMC is at:
http://www.victoriancottreasures.com/madeiracharts.htm
Knight's Thread Express:
DMC- 6 strand 8.7 yards per skein .45
Anchor- 6 strand 8.7 yards per skein .45
Madeira Mouline (Cotton)- 6 strand 11 yards per skein .45
UK Price (Barnyans)
Madeira Mouline (Cotton)- 6 strands 10 m per skein .44 (.52 incl. VAT)
(THis is in pounds. I can't figure out that key on my comp;)
Australia (Victorian Cottage Treasures)
Anchor- 6 strand 8.66 yards per skein .45 (Aus $)
DMC 6 strand 11 yards (?) .39
Madeira 6 strand 11 yds .57
wol...@pacbell.net
Keith,
This is Heather's complete reply to your original posting:
> > Actually, they have names for all the floss colors...
> > http://www.dmc-usa.com/tools/colors/colors1.html.
There is nothing curt or bombastic about Heather's reply; she was simply
trying to help people who might want to know the information--all of the
people, not just you. Her posting was short, but "curt" implies more than
"short," and there is nothing in its length or its phrasing that implies any
emtional intent at all. It simply gave the information she thought would be
helpful.
She was wrong about her information, and when corrected by another poster,
who saw no reason to jump down her throat, she posted the following, again
as a reply to anyone who had been misled by her previous statement, and not
as a reply only to Kathy.
Here's what Kathy posted:
> Hey Heather!
> Check at the bottom of the link page above, where DMC says
> quote "Please note that DMC refers to its colors by number only. Any
> color names given to our colors are done so by the individual designer
And here's Heather's reply:
--------
Oops...I blew that one, Kathy! Thanks for the reality check! :) At
least DMC is making this the de facto "standard" so those with no LNS
can make a stab at what colors they need.
-Heather (read the WHOLE page, silly!) Lott
---------
Keith, there is a possibility that your news server isn't giving you all the
postings, or perhaps your news server isn't delivering them all in
chronological order. Perhaps you didn't see Kathy's posting replying to
Heather's posting, or Heather's reply to it. If this is not the correct
explanation for the tone of your subsequent postings, it is difficult to
understand your hostility and your ready willingness to publicly berate her,
insult her, and then to insult the entire newsgroup.
Heather is not bombastic, she's not a man-basher, and RCTN is not populated
with sheep. Please understand that Heather wasn't jumping on you.
Contributing a piece of information one thinks is correct is not jumping on
you, even if one was mistaken and the info turns out to be wrong. It is very
true that she didn't read the whole page, but around here we don't beat
people who make mistakes.
As you continue to read RCTN, Keith, you will discover that it is not
(usually) a biting newsgroup. Lots of others are, as I'm sure you know from
your 15 years of newsgroup experience. But RCTN is not like many other
newsgroups. What we call flames would pass without notice in lots of other
newsgroups. People here make a great effort, consciously, not to bite. No
matter how ticked we are. :-)
Nan
Seanette Blaylock
names (was Anchor vs. DMC?)":
[snip MAJOR rudeness]
Want some Midol? You obviously *need* it.
--
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R-/S-/K+/-/P/G/W+/Patrick Stewart, James Earl Jones/Stephen King, Scott Adams, Erma
Bombeck, Jeff Foxworthy/CHOCOLATE! :-)
Teri George
wrote:
>>lott...@mindspring.com says...
>> > ugly...@home.happy (Uglyduck) wrote:
>> > > It is difficult for designers to list Colour names as DMC etc have
>> > > never named their floss.
>> > Actually, they have names for all the floss colors...
>> > http://www.dmc-usa.com/tools/colors/colors1.html.
Hmmm. No negative emoticons, no shouting capital letters and no
exclamation points. Doesn't sound very 'bombastic' to me.
> ..... actually they dont!! Please take the time to read all the
>page!!!! Are you always this bombastic or is it because I am a man and new
>here? Not a very good welcome was it!......
No emoticons or shouting capitals, but massive exclamation points as
well as an insult.
Keith, we have quite a few male posters here, so your 'sexist'
argument won't fly. Not to mention you were the first to shout or
hurl an insult. As someone else pointed out, rctn is a rather
pleasant group and we tend not to degrade people, while at the same
time we're very good about sharing information with each other. Might
be best if you looked around and got to know us a little better before
jumping to conclusions over a post that obviously wasn't meant to
degrade in any way.
Welcome to rctn. Hope to hear a lot about the things you're working
on.
Teri ~~ http://www.craftsoft.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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**Announcing two new design lines and the free, downloadable CraftGrid graph paper program**
Linn Skinner
fire<G> At one time (round about the turn of the century) DMC named their
color groups on their cards and then used subgroups of as many as 7 (ultra
dark; very dark; dark; medium; light; very light; ultralight. They did
request that "to prevent mistakes we request that the numbers and in no case
the names of the colours be quoted in an order."
One example is a range of greens they called "Beetle Green" it lists 895 as
ultradark; 3345 as very dark; 3346 as dark; 3347 as medium; 3348 as light
and 3349 as very light
Turkey red has only one shade number listed: 321 as dark
Bishop's Violet is comprised of 915 dark; 916 medium and 917 light.
Some of the shade families are wonderful to me. Some of my favorites are
Forget-me-not blue; Sevres blue; Cachou brown; (what we would find offensive
today Negro's head brown); Paroquet green; Mignonette grey; Twine grey;
Scabious violete; Violet de parme
Many of the colors are repeated in their silks but in addition they have an
otter brown shade group a wall flower yellow range and three ranes of white
(blueish white; cream white (2 shades) and Snow-white.
Linn Skinner
Skinner Sisters
"Heather Lott" <lott...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:8d5a1s$7jg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <MPG.136030192...@news.abcs.com>,
> ugly...@home.happy (Uglyduck) wrote:
> > It is difficult for designers to list Colour names as DMC etc have
> > never named their floss.
> <snip>
> Actually, they have names for all the floss colors...
> http://www.dmc-usa.com/tools/colors/colors1.html.
>
> HTH,
> -Heather Lott
> --
> Rotation: Cross My Heart "First Nativity" stocking, Mirabilia's "Autumn
> Queen," TW's "Magical Night," Eileen Bennett's "Lace Squares," Moss
> Creek ASG Commemorative Scissors Fob, Just Nan's "Lady Scarlett's
> Journey"
>
>
Kim Brown
<snip>
> Australia (Victorian Cottage Treasures)
>
> Anchor- 6 strand 8.66 yards per skein .45 (Aus $)
> DMC 6 strand 11 yards (?) .39
> Madeira 6 strand 11 yds .57
Goodness me! I think I need to know the address of this LNS! I've
*never* heard of any of the above flosses selling for less than 75c a
skein! Do you have any contact details please?
--
Trish {|:OI}
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Mays
stitched with finest floss on pure irish linen:
> ..... but then it wasnt directed at you was it?
Hi Keith,
You might want to set a spell and read... This is the kind of
newsgroup that operates like a gathering of friends who gather to
stitch and chat. Everybody comments on everything, regardless of who
started the thread or which person a particular message was "meant"
for. Everybody is welcome here, but it helps to find out how a group
functions before jumping in with both feet and ending up with one or
more of them in your mouth. Been there, done that, got the sock fuzz
(blech!)
-
Ruth Mays
Cinnaminson, NJ
The trouble with being an adult is that it takes up so
much of my time...
Uglyduck
wol...@pacbell.net says...
Hello sheep number 1.....
Uglyduck
may...@mindspring.com says...
> On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 14:01:35 +0100,ugly...@home.happy (Uglyduck)
> stitched with finest floss on pure irish linen:
>
> > ..... but then it wasnt directed at you was it?
>
> Hi Keith,
> You might want to set a spell and read... This is the kind of
Hello sheep number 3.
And what makes you think that I cannot spell or read?
Uglyduck
says...
> Teri ~~ http://www.craftsoft.com
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Spring freebies are up at In the Realm of Dreams!
> **Announcing two new design lines and the free, downloadable CraftGrid graph paper program**
>
>
Barbara Joyce
maestra...@hotmail.com
back to find out where it is, I discovered the shop is in the USA:(
Victorian Cottage Treasures
P.O. Box 501
Porthill, ID USA
83853-0501
Victorian Cottage Treasures Home page is at:
http://www.victoriancottreasures.com/index.htm
Their thread web page is at:
http://www.victoriancottreasures.com/threads.htm
(Not affiliated in any way with this shop; they just inexplicably came
up in a search for Australian needlework stores)
In article <38F91699...@studentmail.newcastle.edu.au>,
Nina K Pettis
Since Ugly has now unequivocally self-identified as a troll, we can take
the proper steps for dealing with trolls.
Nina (Edit>Message Filters>fill in blanks)
--
Professional proofreading doesn't cost - it pays!
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Rusty...@webtv.net
Chill out.
Joan from Philly
Seanette Blaylock
Color names (was Anchor vs. DMC?)":
>> In article <fshifss8tsclkmjo7...@4ax.com>,
>> may...@mindspring.com says...
>> > On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 14:01:35 +0100,ugly...@home.happy (Uglyduck)
>> > stitched with finest floss on pure irish linen:
>> > > ..... but then it wasnt directed at you was it?
>> > Hi Keith,
>> > You might want to set a spell and read... This is the kind of
>> Hello sheep number 3.
>> And what makes you think that I cannot spell or read?
>Since Ugly has now unequivocally self-identified as a troll, we can take
>the proper steps for dealing with trolls.
>Nina (Edit>Message Filters>fill in blanks)
Or, for the Agent users, Message>Filters>Kill Filter>Paste
Author>select scope and duration [I usually set filters to go away
after X days of inactivity, which does make things run a little more
efficiently]. :-)
Karin
better known brand.
However, in this case, we're talking about hours, weeks, months, sometimes
*years* worth of work, and I think people in general go for the brand that
they feel won't fail them down the line (colors fading, etc). For a few
cents a skein, it's worth eliminating the worry.
I learned to stitch with Anchor -- worked at Minnesota Fabrics (now Hancock)
all through high school and college. Anchor was definitely the lower priced
alternative for a student with an employee discount!
I must say that all my Anchor projects are just as well "intact" as my DMC.
Everyone have a great weekend!
Karin
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<wal...@midwest.net> wrote in message news:38f7542f.6190541@news2...
> I'm not trying to flame anyone who feels either brand is superior to
> the other. My feeling is that we as humans tend to be "brand snobs"
> at times.
>
> Case in point - I got into a discussion with people about a certain
> food product. The two brands being discussed were hotly supported by
> their fans. The thing is - I knew someone who processed these foods
> and they were done by the same people, with almost no change at all
> except for the label. The same thing applies to other products. For
> instance, at one time the Eureka Williams company made all the vacuum
> cleaners for Sears (IIRC) as well as their own brand. The difference
> was mere color and bag fabric.
>
> My point is, price doesn't indicate quality but we are willing to give
> that factor some weight in our decision. We "assume" the costlier
> product is superior because we wouldn't want to be caught paying more
> for less. We've all heard the incorrect stories from people
> supposedly "in the know" about DMC or Anchor and how there were
> supposed to be different grades of quality depending on LNS or
> discount store. We've disproved that over and over again.
>
> Use either or both. Both brands have proven themselves over time and
> there really isn't a big deal if you mix both products in the same
> project. Go for it ! Moni
Mays
stitched with finest floss on pure irish linen:
>Hello sheep number 3.
> And what makes you think that I cannot spell or read?
Your response, for one thing. "Set a spell" is an idiom meaning sit
for a while, and the suggestion to read did not imply that you are
unable to do so, merely that you had not, in fact done so. It would
seem that you are just a spring break troll after all, so go back to
your cave and leave us be.
Mays
Ah, here it is, my last can of "Troll-Be-Gone"
Psssssssssssssssssssst Pssssssssssst Pssssssssssstt.
All better.....
Me
may...@mindspring.com says...
>
> Your response, for one thing. "Set a spell" is an idiom meaning sit
> for a while, and the suggestion to read did not imply that you are
> unable to do so, merely that you had not, in fact done so. It would
> seem that you are just a spring break troll after all, so go back to
> your cave and leave us be.
>
In fact "set a spell" is what witches like you do!
Chief Troll
Nina K Pettis
>
> (Rummaging around in piles of stash..................................)
> Ah, here it is, my last can of "Troll-Be-Gone"
>
> Psssssssssssssssssssst Pssssssssssst Pssssssssssstt.
>
> All better.....
Better re-order soon; if a bunch of us pitch in, could we get a volume
discount? Say, on a gross of cans?
> The trouble with being an adult is that it takes up so
> much of my time...
Amen, sister!!!
Nina
Me
may...@mindspring.com says...
> (Rummaging around in piles of stash..................................)
> Ah, here it is, my last can of "Troll-Be-Gone"
>
> Psssssssssssssssssssst Pssssssssssst Pssssssssssstt.
>
> All better.....
>
It didnt work, witch.
Jennifer
> In fact "set a spell" is what witches like you do!
>
>
Hey hey hey I've heard that phrase before geesh!! Where are you?
Jennifer
Be warned my dragon isn't far behind...
me
seanette.spam...@impulse.net says...
> Nina K Pettis had some very interesting things to say about "Re: DMC
> Color names (was Anchor vs. DMC?)":
> >Uglyduck wrote:
> >> In article <fshifss8tsclkmjo7...@4ax.com>,
> >> may...@mindspring.com says...
> >> > stitched with finest floss on pure irish linen:
> >> > Hi Keith,
> >> > You might want to set a spell and read... This is the kind of
> >> And what makes you think that I cannot spell or read?
> >the proper steps for dealing with trolls.
> >Nina (Edit>Message Filters>fill in blanks)
>
> Or, for the Agent users, Message>Filters>Kill Filter>Paste
> Author>select scope and duration [I usually set filters to go away
> after X days of inactivity, which does make things run a little more
> efficiently]. :-)
> --
> Seanette Blaylock
> X/USA/H+(Bob)/-/-/1C(HFM Felix)/1F/"Cat in Chair", Leisure Arts/XNCr/A/D/-/SF/-/-/b++/
> R-/S-/K+/-/P/G/W+/Patrick Stewart, James Earl Jones/Stephen King, Scott Adams, Erma
> Bombeck, Jeff Foxworthy/CHOCOLATE! :-)
>
Pathetic attempt to silence me!
I have been around too long for that to work.
I have so many identities I can keep changing for years! There are
over 150 free ISPs and I can join under as many names as I like
Now - where is that Heather person?
Chief Troll
CatWom7711
>All you seem to be doing is misinterpret posts, react in an unfriendly
>manner and call names.
Yep -- that's pretty much the ONLY reason Trolls exist. What makes me laugh is
that they think their behaviour will upset us "old people". They don't seem to
realize that when "we" (I am generalizing here) were on spring break we did
stuff that was as bad if not worse -- for our time. I know when I have been in
chat rooms and the SNERTS come in with their foul language they really think we
haven't heard any of those words before. Well, sorry but I ain't no lady...
never have been & never will be. I am a woman & female & I can do the "lady"
thing when required but it is not my normal mode of behaviour. So, not only
have I heard what the kids say to shock me, I STILL use the language in the
privacy of my own home.
Now, I know that I never purposely did stuff to be mean or rude to my elders
when I was young but I KNOW that the vast majority of my teenage and young
adult behaviour really put their teeth on edge.
So -- for you trolls out there -- you just aren't really having an impact on
us. We do know how to block undesirable posts so that we don't even see what
you are sending if we don't want to. I personally don't block the posts in the
hopes that I will catch one from AOL and when that happens I report them! And
we aren't all "old ladies" we have a few "old gentlemen" here too -- and quite
a large number of young people to boot!!! CiaoMeow >^;;^<
PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (remove nekoluvr to e-mail)
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their
WHISKERS!! Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs -- and they make the
BEST specialty fibers too!
PENDANT23
>From: st...@here.dolts (me)
There are
>over 150 free ISPs and I can join under as many names as I like
>
> Chief Troll
>
Yeah, but your current choice seems to suit you.
Shawn
http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb1065605
WIPs
International Round Robin
Elizabeth's Designs God Bless the Moon
Adam Sargant
<G>
Adam
www.cross-stitch-by-design.com
"PENDANT23" <pend...@aol.com.buzzoff> wrote in message
news:20000416181325...@ng-fp1.aol.com...
stillme
says...
> Keith,
>
> I get the awful feeling that you are only here to cause trouble.
> All you seem to be doing is misinterpret posts, react in an unfriendly
> manner and call names.
> I certainly don't.
> If you don't like what we do here at RCTN, please stay away!
> JMHO,
> Marion
>
Usenet isnt a private party - I will go whence I like!
I do not need your permission.
Me
thedn...@cs.comNOSPAM says...
You are civil arent you? - unlike the rest of the "sheep".
Hello...... and please keep your dragon on a leash or I will have to
turn my Manticore loose!
--
Have fun.........
Its the naughty noughties!
Uglyduck
stillme
catwo...@aol.comnekoluvr says...
Snipped>> a lot of rubbish.
....... and I know how to stay unblocked!
Report me if you like - what for though? Have I been obscene? nah!
Just a nuisance.............
Besides with over 150 free ISPs at my disposal (non wanting to know
who I am) I can change identities and re enlist as and when I like.
Come on peeps - keep feeding me............
stillme
pend...@aol.com.buzzoff says...
>
> >From: st...@here.dolts (me)
>
>
> There are
> >over 150 free ISPs and I can join under as many names as I like
> >
> > Chief Troll
> >
>
> Yeah, but your current choice seems to suit you.
>
Charly
Charly
"CatWom7711" <catwo...@aol.comnekoluvr> wrote in message
news:20000416180743...@ng-fw1.aol.com...
> >I get the awful feeling that you are only here to cause trouble.
> >All you seem to be doing is misinterpret posts, react in an unfriendly
> >manner and call names.
>
Les
I loved all that information you gave us about the turn of
the century names from DMC. Would you be so kind as to
point out where we could look up this information for
ourselves? It would be great in one of my college
sketchbooks.
TIA
Les
Kim McAnnally
for the very first time! :)
Kim
--
New Website up! Come see it at
http://fabrics2u.home.netcom.com
Jennifer <thedn...@cs.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
news:20000416151546...@ng-cc1.news.cs.com...
snow...@sprint.ca
to st...@abcs.com and news...@supernews.com
On Sun, 16 Apr 2000 16:45:22 +0100, st...@here.dolts (me) wrote:
>Path: newscontent-01.sprint.ca!HME1-2.newsfeed.sprint.ca!east1.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail
>From: st...@here.dolts (me)
>Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
>Subject: Re: DMC Color names (was Anchor vs. DMC?)
>Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 16:45:22 +0100
>Organization: .
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>Message-ID: <MPG.1363f070a...@news.abcs.com>
>References: <MPG.136030192...@news.abcs.com> <8d5a1s$7jg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com> <MPG.1360f377d...@news.mindspring.com> <MPG.1361753a4...@news.abcs.com> <38F7BD50...@iname.com> <MPG.13622243f...@news.abcs.com> <6YYJ4.5916$wM3....@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com> <MPG.13627887c...@news.abcs.com> <fshifss8tsclkmjo7...@4ax.com> <MPG.136391cfa...@news.abcs.com> <38F9B656...@thedoor.net> <jcgjfssgvmt3knho4...@4ax.com>
>X-Complaints-To: news...@supernews.com
>X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v2.00
>Xref: HME1-2.newsfeed.sprint.ca rec.crafts.textiles.needlework:248826
> I have so many identities I can keep changing for years! There are
>over 150 free ISPs and I can join under as many names as I like
> Now - where is that Heather person?
>
> Chief Troll
Teri George
Oh, no! Peeps! It figures, it's Easter and the Peeps are attacking!
Which ones are they, they yellow chicks, the purple bunnies? Now, are
these the stale ones or the fresh ones? Silly me! Of course they're
the fresh ones!!! ROTFL!
Okay, everybody, lets talk peeps!!
Laura Stabler
(st...@here.dolts) proposed...
> Pathetic attempt to silence me!
> I have been around too long for that to work.
> I have so many identities I can keep changing for years! There are
> over 150 free ISPs and I can join under as many names as I like
> Now - where is that Heather person?
>
> Chief Troll
Yes, but you're not using a free ISP. At least, not for every message so
far. According to your headers (yes, there are people here who can read
headers) you've posted every message from an abcs.com account and
apparently abcs.com (Applied Business and Computer Services) uses
Supernews.com for their Usenet feed.
If you're going to troll, at least make it a little difficult to figure
you out. Just munging your email address doesn't make it at all fun!
Still you seem to be a rather tame and amusing troll. Perhaps we can
keep you as a pet.
Laura
Linn Skinner
It is in the DMC product advert section in an early Th. Dillmont
Encyclopedia of Needlework.
It is hard to date the various printings and editions of her books because
they were seldom dated. One would need access to the archives at DMC to do
a very good job of it. I make a stab based on the terms used, number sold
(which is printed), etc.
Linn Skinner
Skinner Sisters
"Les" <les...@4felines.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:8ddged$31n$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
snow...@sprint.ca
Steven A Smith
I suggest that if we all just ignore this person and stop answering,
he will get bored and go bother somebody else.
Carol in SoCal
Seanette Blaylock
(was Anchor vs. DMC?)":
>In article <3v2kfssf9vhs3mq6t...@4ax.com>,
>may...@mindspring.com says...
>> (Rummaging around in piles of stash..................................)
>> Ah, here it is, my last can of "Troll-Be-Gone"
>> Psssssssssssssssssssst Pssssssssssst Pssssssssssstt.
>> All better.....
And we have kook-sign! [What "he" just did by changing "his" ID is
known as "morphing", done by kooks to evade kill-filters. If anyone
remembers "his" real address, a complaint to his ISP's abuse desk,
citing the morph as proof of intent to behave abusively and
disruptively, would be a good move.]
Kathryn Dawson
-Kathryn in Georgia
"Steven A Smith" <sas...@gte.net> wrote in message
news:38FA50AC...@gte.net...
Beth M. Baker
>
> In article <20000416181325...@ng-fp1.aol.com>,
> pend...@aol.com.buzzoff says...
> >
> > >From: st...@here.dolts (me)
> >
> >
> > >over 150 free ISPs and I can join under as many names as I like
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yeah, but your current choice seems to suit you.
> >
> .... and your point is?
a dolt by any other name is still a dolt.
Mays
stitched with finest floss on pure irish linen:
> Come on peeps - keep feeding me............
It must be really sad to be on the dole and in need of handouts to
stay fed. My guess is that the weather in the UK must be really bad
right now to keep you inside. Surely there must be more interesting
things to do than to lurk around here.....
-
Ruth Mays
Cinnaminson, NJ
The trouble with being an adult is that it takes up so
much of my time...
Liesch
news...@supernews.com about our troll and have already received a
response. Unfortunately, I am computer challenged and cannot forward same
to the newsgroup. The main point they stressed however, was that the more
people who complained about our troll, the faster they would take action.
Anyone who hasn't already complained should do so. The more complaints are
received the sooner the troll will receive his attitude adjustment.
Rita Liesch
Karen C - California <kmc...@aol.com.LuvXS> wrote in message
news:20000416215151...@ng-ft1.aol.com...
> >I think this is just a kid, guys.
>
> If the scoop is right and he's posting through Applied Business Computing
> Systems (or whatever it was), that sounds like an employer. I'm sure his
boss
> would **love** to know what he's using their equipment for. Most
employers
> have an e-mail policy that even covers personal e-mail written on the
company
> computer and posted from the company server. It would be even more
interesting
> if he's posting this stuff from the office while collecting overtime for
> "working" on a Sunday.
>
> Anyone want to go to the ABCS website and see if you can find some contact
> people/e-mail addresses to alert them what their boy is up to?
Alternately,
> get a phone number, and call first thing tomorrow morning to speak to the
head
> of personnel. <smirk>
>
>
> Finished 2/24/2000 - Sweet 16 (Silver Lining)
> WIP:Mermaid of the Pearls, Teen Creed, California Sampler, America the
> Beautiful (Nimble Needle), antique green doll (Vervaco)
> Don't risk your on-line privileges! I forward all Spam to administration.
Laura Stabler
(snow...@sprint.ca) proposed...
> Folks, copy the entire text below to an email and send your complaints
> to st...@abcs.com and news...@supernews.com
I wouldn't bother. He's not doing anything terribly disruptive and I
wasn't able to find an AUP or TOS on either company's site. ABCS.com
didn't seem to have one at all and Supernews only cited spamming and
massive multiple postings as offenses. I suspect that it won't do any
good to complain. The best advice would be to just ignore him.
Laura
--
Laura (remove .ie to email me)
WIP: Harvest Moon - Shepherd's Bush, "Little Lambs/My ABC's/Hush Little
Baby" - JBW Designs (as a birth sampler), Itty Bitty Honey - Twisted
Threads, Night - Teresa Wentzler, Fairy Moon - Mirabilia
P J Kirk
Time for total and absolute non responsiveness to anything they post. Why
block why filter? Just ignore. If you accidently get their post just go to
the next one. It's that simple. We use total non responsiveness on problem
children and the mentally retarded in psych all the time. If I am not getting
a reward of attention why do what I do? [attention can be positive or
negative. After all it's better to be hated than ignored isn't it?] Since
they want response lets get back to what we do best.. Needlework. after all
Mouse clicks were invented for a reason.
In article <MPG.13645172c...@news.abcs.com>, unblo...@rctn.idiots
Laura Stabler
(may...@mindspring.com) proposed...
> On Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:39:21 +0100,unblo...@rctn.idiots (stillme)
> stitched with finest floss on pure irish linen:
>
>
> stay fed. My guess is that the weather in the UK must be really bad
> right now to keep you inside. Surely there must be more interesting
> things to do than to lurk around here.....
According to his ISP he's actually in Indiana.
Laura
Gusianna
>Here, here! I'm not old, that's my Mom! <VBEG>
Charly
LOL.................Hey! I resemble that remark.
--
Gussy...WIPs - Amy Weaver's Magnolia Sharpii
Weekender's Ballerina Bear (kit)
Unknown Sisters (kit)
Waffle Afghan
Elizabeth
> In fact "set a spell" is what witches like you do!
>
Haha! OK -- who wants to form a betting pool about how old this guy is? Isn't
it sad when someone is *so* unpopular that they have to hand out lukewarm
insults in order to get any attention?
Elizabeth
JUST FINISHED -- Antique Doll Sisters from Lanarte and SB Millennium needleroll
WIP: Carousel Pegasus by True Colors charts
"Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity..."
(remove 'spamless' to reply)
Kim Brown
>
> In article <6j2kfscko17ntf01c...@4ax.com>,
> may...@mindspring.com says...
> >
> > Your response, for one thing. "Set a spell" is an idiom meaning sit
> > for a while, and the suggestion to read did not imply that you are
> > unable to do so, merely that you had not, in fact done so. It would
> > seem that you are just a spring break troll after all, so go back to
> > your cave and leave us be.
> >
> An idiom where? Certainly not where I am.
> In fact "set a spell" is what witches like you do!
>
>
How old are you? Does your Mummy know you're out interrupting all these
nice people? For goodness' sake, if you're going to take us on, you
might at least try for some sophisticated repartee! The last troll we
had was *clever*! You appear not to know much...
(I think this is just a kid, guys. Not worth reading him. I like my men
to be MEN! Micropenis is a *terrible* thing!)
--
Trish {|:OI}
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Kim Brown
>
> My mistake! Despite having done my search under Australia, when I went
> back to find out where it is, I discovered the shop is in the USA:(
> Victorian Cottage Treasures
> P.O. Box 501
> Porthill, ID USA
> 83853-0501
LOL! Not to worry! The brief palpitations were good for me! Reminded me
I have a house to clean! Thanks for reposting, though.
Karen C - California
If the scoop is right and he's posting through Applied Business Computing
Laura Stabler
California (kmc...@aol.com.LuvXS) proposed...
> If the scoop is right and he's posting through Applied Business Computing
> Systems (or whatever it was), that sounds like an employer. I'm sure his boss
> would **love** to know what he's using their equipment for. Most employers
> have an e-mail policy that even covers personal e-mail written on the company
> computer and posted from the company server. It would be even more interesting
> if he's posting this stuff from the office while collecting overtime for
> "working" on a Sunday.
ABCS is a regional ISP. I'm not discounting the possibility that it may
be one of their employees, but there's a real possiblity that ABCS is
just his internet provider.