(Sorta OT) Delica beads - analagous to Mill Hill?
Kaylea Hascall
beautiful graphs of beetles (the insect kind!) and full instructions on how
to bead them instead of xs them. But it talks about using "Delica Round
Beads" instead of the Mill Hill beads with which I'm familiar. Are Mill Hill
beads about the same size so that I could substitute them, does anyone know?
Are they suitably strong for making into beaded bags of various sorts, or
would I need to attach them to fabric?
-Kaylea
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main difference between them. Mill Hill has out a new bead called I
think Magnifica or something similar to that. If you use regular mill
hill ones the bags would not have straight even rows. Delica beads can
be purchased at shops that specialize in beads.
Kaylea Hascall
<emj...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Delica beads are uniform in shape unlike Mill Hill beads. That is the
>main difference between them. Mill Hill has out a new bead called I
>think Magnifica or something similar to that. If you use regular mill
>hill ones the bags would not have straight even rows. Delica beads can
>be purchased at shops that specialize in beads.
Hm, darn. I have so many leftover Mill Hills from little projects here and
there, I thought I'd found a good way to use them up -- rainbow beetles :)!
Thanks for the reply,
Su/Cutworks
and
> there, I thought I'd found a good way to use them up -- rainbow beetles
:)!
Use them. Delica is really a generic term for a type of bead, rather than a
brand name. As most beads come from Japan, including Mill Hill beads, I
will bet that you will find they're all pretty much the same. I ordered a
package of delica beads from a shop and other than the colour being a
different one than the Mill Hill bead, they were indistinguishable.
The key is to make sure that you mount all your beads in the same way,
either stitching through on a diagonal or mounting them with a full cross
stitch through them.
I've seen the magazine with the beaded beetles, they're really beautiful. I
do a lot of beadwork on my designs and I have never found Mill Hill to be a
problem when mounting them. I really think it's a question of technique
rather than the bead. However, I do have to say that the new Magnifica
beads are really nice, they're faceted and have a very different effect than
the regular beads.
-Su
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Go ahead and try it with the Mill Hills. Just cause it says to use delicas
doesn't mean you can't experiment! And if it doesn't look like a beetle,
adjust it to look like something, like another bug! Or, just name it whatever
you like, since it will be rainbowy colored anyways. :-) Then everyone will
be begging for one of your creations!
As for beaded bags, I would go ahead and stitch it to fabric, just to make
sure that it's stable, but as long as it's not a bargello type pattern that
depends on stability and uniformity, if it's asymmetrical or a free draw,
they'll still work, they just won't be put on with straight lines on beads. I
saw on a pre-awards show about some beaded purses that were enamel boxes, quite
small, maybe about the size of a makeup bag or smaller, that were painted and
then had a clear epoxy glue holding on thousands of clear glass beads.
Painting and gluing. . .no lining (outside of maybe painting the inside), no
strap, but they still sold for thousands of dollars. The least expensive one
was $600. Makes you want to live in Hollywood, huh? You can paint and glue a
couple of tins, then with the money you get, spend it on more important
projects (like your own!)
CC
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Kim Brown
Get out a current favourite shirt.
Get a piece of 18 count aida (I've never seen waste canvas that size).
Stitch a XS design on the shirt using the aida as waste canvas, only use
beads for the entire design. It's easy enough to remove the threads of
the aida *provided* you take care not to pierce them as you stitch. You
don't need to wet it, of course, because it doesn't have the same sizing
in it as waste canvas does.
I have a few shirts with lovely fat beaded strawberries on them. The
nicest one is a black rayon shirt and the strawberry is done in
iridescent red/purple beads with golden seed beads scattered to look
like the seeds. The flower is done in milk white opaque beads and the
leaves done in a mixture of greens to reflect the DMC colours called for
in the pattern.
Another one was a white rayon shirt with a little spray of violets
worked in pu-pu-purples. (It's hard not to be fond of pu-pu-purple when
you really love violets!) Unfortunately, the purple colour wasn't fast
and disappeared after a few washes! Bugger! I have found that Mill Hill
beads wash far better than the other brands I've tried: Maria George and
Delica;
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Trish {|:OI}
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Alison Hendon
<kawb...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>This is my favourite thing to do with beads of any description:
>
>Get out a current favourite shirt.
>
>Get a piece of 18 count aida (I've never seen waste canvas that size).
><snip good berry stuff>
Trish - I've seen waste canvas up to 22 in catalogs/needlework shops.
Also - I would use a scrap of evenweave or linen rather than aida
because I think it would be easier to get out the threads. Can you
really pull out the aida threads? (of course you can, you've done it,
it just seems very tough to me)
Re - washing beaded clothes - do you do anything special? Put them in
a bag or something?
Alison
B Kildow
I don't know that Delica is a generic term--I've only heard it in
reference to beads made by Miyuki Shoji, Ltd. As far as comparison with
Mill Hill, the Delicas have very large holes for the size of the bead
(which is important when you're using a bead loom or making beaded
ornaments and have a tread passing two or more times through the same
bead) and they are extremely close in size. This is important for
looming, too, since it makes the surface of the flat work nice and
"unbumpy". Caravan Beads has a very nice site with important info about
what types of Miyuki beads may fade and even has a DMC color comparison
chart. The website is at:
http://caravanbeads.com/Pages/site_index_2000.html
I do both loom beading and make Victorian beaded Christmas tree
ornaments and have found the Miyuki beads to be the best for both.
Unfortunately, they are rather pricey.
Bryn
Kristin
Su/Cutworks <xst...@THEBOAT.cutworks.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > Hm, darn. I have so many leftover Mill Hills from little projects here
> and
> > there, I thought I'd found a good way to use them up -- rainbow beetles
> :)!
>
> Use them. Delica is really a generic term for a type of bead, rather than
a
> brand name. As most beads come from Japan, including Mill Hill beads, I
> will bet that you will find they're all pretty much the same. I ordered a
> package of delica beads from a shop and other than the colour being a
> different one than the Mill Hill bead, they were indistinguishable.
>
> The key is to make sure that you mount all your beads in the same way,
> either stitching through on a diagonal or mounting them with a full cross
> stitch through them.
>
> I've seen the magazine with the beaded beetles, they're really beautiful.
I
> do a lot of beadwork on my designs and I have never found Mill Hill to be
a
> problem when mounting them. I really think it's a question of technique
> rather than the bead. However, I do have to say that the new Magnifica
> beads are really nice, they're faceted and have a very different effect
than
> the regular beads.
>
> -Su
I'll throw my 2 cents in - as far as I know, the delicas are specified in
this case because of their uniform size. The bugs are beaded using square
stitch, so Mill Hill beads would not give you the uniform appearance - the
rows and columns would not stay even and the proportions would be a little
strange.
Also, MIll Hill beads are not particularly high quality, as beads go (you
can get the same beads by the pound in Japan and Korea for very little
money) and the finishes are not very durable. For needlework they work
fine - most people don't wear bell pulls and MLI's. But for something made
as jewelry, the finish wears off, especially on the metallics.
I have not done much with these little beads and I have only made a few
small pieces of jewelry with semi-precious stones, so I'm certainly no
expert, btu I have heard these things from more than one "professional"
beader. Perhaps Sally is around to address the difference? Has anyone
emailed her at her shop?
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Sally
at khas...@midway.uchicago.edu typed the following:
> The latest Jill Oxton's Cross Stitch mag (thank you, Borders!) has lots of
> beautiful graphs of beetles (the insect kind!) and full instructions on how
> to bead them instead of xs them. But it talks about using "Delica Round
> Beads" instead of the Mill Hill beads with which I'm familiar. Are Mill Hill
> beads about the same size so that I could substitute them, does anyone know?
> Are they suitably strong for making into beaded bags of various sorts, or
> would I need to attach them to fabric?
>
> -Kaylea
Hi there....
OK... here's your bead lesson 101 <G>:
"Delicas" is a name short for "delicious" and these are one brand of a
Japanese cylinder beads.
Japanese cylinder beads are totally different from typical seed beads you
find such as the regular Mill Hill brand. Delicas, a cylinder bead, are
like little pieces of cut pipe. If you look at the side of them (with the
holes to your right and left) you would notice that they do not have a
"bump" on the top and bottom like a seed bead - they are just like little
pieces of cut pipe - totally straight on the sides. Because they lack the
rounded edges, they lay totally differently than seed beads do.
On my web site, if you're interested, go to the "Show and Tell" section and
find the Diana bag. Once you're there, click on the image so you get a more
detailed look at it. You'll be able to see how different these beads are
than seed beads.
Also.. Diana is one example of what a beaded bag looks like - there is no
fabric involved. Delicas are made of glass just like seed beads, so some
care is expected in how you treat the finished item, but they are plenty
strong enough make small bags out of.
There are two main manufacturers of japanese cylinder beads - Miyuki and
Toho. Mill Hill now has "Magnifica" beads which are japanese cylinder beads
that are probably just miyukis or tohos repackaged for the needle shops.
As far as expense goes, you'll find that Delicas are waaaaaay cheaper if you
buy them at a bead shop than buying the little tiny packs of Magnicas.
However, if you only need a few dozen beads for accent, and you have no
intention of wanting them for anything else in the future, then it's
probably cheaper just to buy MH brand.
Hope this helps.
Sally
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Sally
emj...@postoffice.pacbell.net at emj...@postoffice.pacbell.net typed the
following:
> Delica beads are uniform in shape unlike Mill Hill beads. That is the
> main difference between them. Mill Hill has out a new bead called I
> think Magnifica or something similar to that. If you use regular mill
> hill ones the bags would not have straight even rows. Delica beads can
> be purchased at shops that specialize in beads.
>
> Kaylea Hascall wrote:
You're right, Kaylea....
But also.. Delicas have a different shape than seed beads, which is why they
lay totally differently.
Just another 2c thrown in.
Have a great day!
Sally
>
> Delica is really a generic term for a type of bead, rather than a
> brand name.
Delica is really the name for a brand.... Miyuki. In many books, if the
pattern calls for DB109, it is the color of Delica Bead 109, made by Miyuki.
The other brand that pops up once in a while is Toho. Their cylinder beads
are called "antiques".
Both are brands of Japanese cylinder beads. The typical size of these is
11.
>As most beads come from Japan, including Mill Hill beads, I
> will bet that you will find they're all pretty much the same. I ordered a
> package of delica beads from a shop and other than the colour being a
> different one than the Mill Hill bead, they were indistinguishable.
You're right. I'm guessing that all Mill HIll does is repackage the brands
above.
>
> The key is to make sure that you mount all your beads in the same way,
> either stitching through on a diagonal or mounting them with a full cross
> stitch through them.
>
> I've seen the magazine with the beaded beetles, they're really beautiful. I
> do a lot of beadwork on my designs and I have never found Mill Hill to be a
> problem when mounting them. I really think it's a question of technique
> rather than the bead. However, I do have to say that the new Magnifica
> beads are really nice, they're faceted and have a very different effect than
> the regular beads.
That's interesting.... I hadn't noticed facetted Mill Hill Magnificas....
Miyuki makes a bunch of colors of "facetted" cylinder beads.. they are
usually called "hex cuts". When you look at them from the end (hole up) the
sides look like a little nut (as in nuts and bolts <G>). The sides being
shaped like this gives them much more glitz as they catch light very well.
Just another nickels worth into this conversation. <G>
Sally
> As for beaded bags, I would go ahead and stitch it to fabric, just to make
> sure that it's stable, but as long as it's not a bargello type pattern that
Hi again...
Maybe I missed a post that described what size of beaded bag we're talking
about here <G>... but if you're just talking about something relatively
small, there is no need for fabric.
Su/Cutworks
Thanks for the clarification on the term delica. It seems as if it's
falling into the sort of use that Xerox has or Caterpillar. I've had
several places refer to them as a generic for that size of bead.
> That's interesting.... I hadn't noticed facetted Mill Hill Magnificas....
They are fairly new, and gorgeous. I got a package of samples today... some
of them are just to die for. Purple/green and irridescents. I can't wait
to try them out. :-)
> Miyuki makes a bunch of colors of "facetted" cylinder beads.. they are
> usually called "hex cuts". When you look at them from the end (hole up)
the
> sides look like a little nut (as in nuts and bolts <G>). The sides being
> shaped like this gives them much more glitz as they catch light very well.
These look like that too. Just enough of a difference to make using them
along with regular beads lots of fun.
Did I mention I love beads? I once made a gown that was a copy of a
'Cavalier' dress that had 10K pearls on it.......
-Su
Kim McAnnally
and any shop that orders from Wichelt should be able to get it for
you. Of course, that's in the US, I don't know who your local shops
order from.
Kim
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> Trish - I've seen waste canvas up to 22 in catalogs/needlework shops.
> Also - I would use a scrap of evenweave or linen rather than aida
> because I think it would be easier to get out the threads. Can you
> really pull out the aida threads? (of course you can, you've done it,
> it just seems very tough to me)
>
> Re - washing beaded clothes - do you do anything special? Put them in
> a bag or something?
>
> Alison
I"ve had no dramas at all, Alison, excepting for the first time I tried
it and had pierced the aida threads. I had to snip them judiciously in
places and it was a *pain*! It's as easy or maybe even easier to pull
the threads of aida as it is to pull the waste canvas, IMHO. No, I don't
do anything special for washing, but I *do* anchor my threads at the
backs with a lot of weaving in and end with a big fat kn*t! (Don't tell
anyone I said that! LOL!)
Kim Brown
>
> Hi Trish, you can get 18 ct and even 20 ct waste canvas :) I carry it
> and any shop that orders from Wichelt should be able to get it for
> you. Of course, that's in the US, I don't know who your local shops
> order from.
> Kim
Thanks, Kim!
Marilyn Bunzo
field. Trish mentioned that her purple beads weren't color fast. This
may be a problem with most purple seed beads. A very knowledgeable
person in the beading newsgroup posted awhile back about the difficulty
of getting a good true purple in glass beads. It seems that purple is
very hard to make in glass so the purple beads are often "painted" or
"dyed". (I'm not sure if either of these is the correct professional
term for the process but you get the idea. ) Thus purple beads are less
likely to be colorfast or fade-resistant. Also beware of using
metallic beads in embroidery that you are likely to wash often since the
metallics often are "painted". Wish I had a pointer to the article that
the beader wrote. I remember it quite well since I love purple and am
always looking for good purple seed beads.
Delica beads are a specific type of bead from Japan which have a
larger hole and are made very carefully to size. If you make a peyote
stitch beaded purse from Delicas, the purse will look very regular, like
an evenweave fabric. ;-) If you make the same purse with regular
beads, such as Mill Hill, the fabric of the beaded purse will be
irregular due to the variation in the size of the individual beads. You
can mitigate that somewhat by sorting your beads and culling the extra
larges or extra smalls to be used in the fringes of your project.
Therefore, you can interchange the two types of beads but the finished
project will have a different look. One reason Delicas are more
expensive is that you pay for the regularity of the bead.
Marilyn
Sally
>
>> That's interesting.... I hadn't noticed facetted Mill Hill Magnificas....
>
> They are fairly new, and gorgeous. I got a package of samples today... some
> of them are just to die for. Purple/green and irridescents. I can't wait
> to try them out. :-)
The hex cuts have been around for *years* ... <G>... see what you've been
missing?!?!?!?!?
>
>> Miyuki makes a bunch of colors of "facetted" cylinder beads.. they are
>> usually called "hex cuts". When you look at them from the end (hole up)
> the
>> sides look like a little nut (as in nuts and bolts <G>). The sides being
>> shaped like this gives them much more glitz as they catch light very well.
>
> These look like that too. Just enough of a difference to make using them
> along with regular beads lots of fun.
If you do anything that has hair in the design, the hex cut amber colors
make wonderful hair! We've done some angels with that.
>
> Did I mention I love beads? I once made a gown that was a copy of a
> 'Cavalier' dress that had 10K pearls on it.......
Beads are a bad, bad, bad addiction.. <G>
SanFllr
You shouldn't have trouble substituting with Mill Hill as Delica also has seed
beads and I am assuming that is what you need. Delicas are used widely by
teachers I have met such as Joyce Lukomski, the color and shine are wonderful.
The only drawback is finding them at shops and they are more expensive. Try a
bead shop near you and they can help.
Hope this helps you.
Sandra
CRFT456
does have round beads and the cylindrical Magnificas. Miyuki makes the Delica,
which is cylindrical, and they also make regular round beads. Many of the
regular colored Delicas are NOT more expensive--they are more lightweight and
slightly smaller than a regular 11 and being packaged generally by weight,
there are significantly more per package. And they are much more perfect in
shape, so there is less throw away.
Metallic, galvanized, or lined beads can change color due to washing, skin PH,
etc. Many of the pink or purple beads are dyed, since it is hard to find a true
purple in the color spectrum.
Cynthia
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Su/Cutworks
> The hex cuts have been around for *years* ... <G>... see what you've been
> missing?!?!?!?!?
I just tried to avoid them! LOL. I lived in Wisconsin for years, and would
go to a 'trader's post' shop in Minocqua that sold hanks and hanks of beads.
I could hardly walk when I left the shop.
> If you do anything that has hair in the design, the hex cut amber colors
> make wonderful hair! We've done some angels with that.
Thanks for the hint. I'm drooling over some teal and violet hex beads in my
new stash. I'll look for amber.
> > Did I mention I love beads? I once made a gown that was a copy of a
> > 'Cavalier' dress that had 10K pearls on it.......
> Beads are a bad, bad, bad addiction.. <G>
When I moved to the UK and stopped playing in the SCA, I left behind a huge
stash of beads. Rubbermaid boxes full of them. *sigh* They were lost in a
house fire, but I still miss them!
-Su
Deecarlan
stitch and beading patterns. They are beautiful. A mag with both my favorite
hobbies, who could ask for more.
Elaine
Mary M. Riedel
I've just started doing some beading on canvas for the first time and it's
quite addicting. My teacher picked out Sundance Designs beads, anyone use
those before? I've not used Mill Hill or Delica beads yet...emphasis on
"yet."