Embroidery Periods - English
Linn Skinner
English samplers. Not complete but covering the major years of sampler
embroidery.
Linn Skinner
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KINGS AND QUEENS OF ENGLAND
TUDOR
Elizabeth I 1558-1603
STUART
James I (VI of Scotland) 1603 - 1625
Charles I 1625-1649
COMMONWEALTH/INTERREGNUM
Oliver Cromwell 1653-1658
Richard Cromwell 1658-1660
STUART/RESTORATION
Charles II 1660-1685
James II (VII of Scotland) 1685-1689
STUART/ORANGE
William II 1689-1702
Mary II 1689-1694
Anne 1702-1714
HANOVER
George I (Hanover) 1714-1727
George II (Hanover) 1727-1760
George III (Hanover) 1760-1820
George IV (Hanover) 1820-1830
William IV (Hanover) 1830-1837
Victoria 1837-1901
Dianne Lewandowski
I saved your post. And left it intact below for those that missed it.
I'm beginning to think mid-17th century is a safer bet. But it
certainly doesn't have that same flair as using the word "Elizabeth". <g>
Dianne
Dr. Brat
> I'm beginning to think mid-17th century is a safer bet. But it
> certainly doesn't have that same flair as using the word "Elizabeth". <g>
Of course not! *preen*
Elizabeth
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Dianne Lewandowski
Somewhere in my pile of computer pics, I had once put up a picture from
a gal who took a class. It was a high-relief embroidery, quite large,
and the most beautiful peacock you can imagine.
Next time I look at the peacocks on my Asian embroideries in the
bathroom, I know who I'm gonna think of. <huge grin>
Dianne
Cozit/Liz
to late 16th..
(still grumbling that it's so darn *hard* to find anything about English
embroidery and embroiderers during Henry VIII's time....)
-Liz
Laren
> Mid 17th wouldn't be Elizabethian though.... that would have been mid
> to late 16th..
>
> (still grumbling that it's so darn *hard* to find anything about English
> embroidery and embroiderers during Henry VIII's time....)
>
> -Liz
Liz,
What sort of info are you after?
Cheers,
Laren
Cozit/Liz
Laren wrote:
What exactly was being made, besides court clothing... and even that was
relatively simple (compared to Elizabethan) when it comes to embroidery.
What type of ecclesiastical trappings (for building or person) were
being made. Who was making what (Noblewomen, professional embroiderers,
embroidery workshops, other amateurs). And what towns had any
Broiderers Guilds of any sort... and what form they might have
taken/rules they had, etc. Generic rates of pay for embroiderers of
various levels, apprenticeship conditions (both in contract and in
living conditions)...
Um... pretty much anything in other words. Most of what I've got at
this point is either my theory or someone else's I know, based on what
we've been able to come across about medieval broiderers, a bit that
I've found here and there (mostly in that one medieval craftsmen book on
embroiderers) about the mid to late 1400s, and what happens in
Elizabeth's time. There's rather a large gap between those times... and
enough population changes as well as the social changes that it makes
most things rather purely guesswork.
Honestly? I'd be happy to find sources that I can go after. Gostelow's
had some for earlier and later in a couple of her books. There's that
Medieval Craftsmen book. And I've been catching *little* bits here and
there in other books along the way that aren't directly embroidery
related. (and darn it, that reminds me that I forgot to note the place
I came across an alternative spelling for the Mabel I named my faire
character after in part... she was an embroideress for a medieval
English king... and she even came from the right part of the country..
for the *real* location of the property (as opposed to convienent for
faire location) our group claims to re-enact.
-Liz
Laren
>
>
> Laren wrote:
>
>> Cozit/Liz wrote:
>>
>>> Mid 17th wouldn't be Elizabethian though.... that would have been
>>> mid to late 16th..
>>>
>>> (still grumbling that it's so darn *hard* to find anything about
>>> English embroidery and embroiderers during Henry VIII's time....)
>>>
>>> -Liz
>>
>>
>>
>> Liz,
>>
>> What sort of info are you after?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Laren
>>
>
> What exactly was being made, besides court clothing... and even that was
> relatively simple (compared to Elizabethan) when it comes to embroidery.
> What type of ecclesiastical trappings (for building or person) were
> being made. Who was making what (Noblewomen, professional embroiderers,
> embroidery workshops, other amateurs). And what towns had any
> Broiderers Guilds of any sort... and what form they might have
> taken/rules they had, etc. Generic rates of pay for embroiderers of
> various levels, apprenticeship conditions (both in contract and in
> living conditions)...
Well, firstly, when talking about embroidery in this period anywhere in
Europe, the church was one of the biggest customers (either directly or
indirectly via donations). As a result, when the middle and later half
of Henry's reign, you have the disolutions of the monestaries and other
church groups, alot of stuff was lost.
Then when you get into Edward and Elizabeth you have a real
"purification" of "Papist" influence in the new C of E which meant that
where once churches were covered in embroidered goods, they were now
stripped bare, litterally.
Also, in mid-Tudor, most clothing was pretty plain except for court garb.
As far as the guilds go, most records for the London Guilds, which were
the most highly regarded and well know, were lost in the Great Fire of
1666.
Also the period leading into Tudor times was pretty much a low point of
English embroidery, what was taking place wasn't that great.
Again, there are guild rules etc in exhistance but mostly from earlier
periods.
>
> Um... pretty much anything in other words. Most of what I've got at
> this point is either my theory or someone else's I know, based on what
> we've been able to come across about medieval broiderers, a bit that
> I've found here and there (mostly in that one medieval craftsmen book on
> embroiderers) about the mid to late 1400s, and what happens in
> Elizabeth's time. There's rather a large gap between those times... and
> enough population changes as well as the social changes that it makes
> most things rather purely guesswork.
>
> Honestly? I'd be happy to find sources that I can go after. Gostelow's
> had some for earlier and later in a couple of her books. There's that
> Medieval Craftsmen book. And I've been catching *little* bits here and
> there in other books along the way that aren't directly embroidery
> related. (and darn it, that reminds me that I forgot to note the place
> I came across an alternative spelling for the Mabel I named my faire
> character after in part... she was an embroideress for a medieval
> English king... and she even came from the right part of the country..
> for the *real* location of the property (as opposed to convienent for
> faire location) our group claims to re-enact.
>
>
> -Liz
While Gostelow is good, I think for the sort of information you are
looking for, you are going to have to hit more hard course sources, like
academic journals etc.
I will see what other references I can find.
Cheers,
Laren
Jan Lennie
has several good links.
Jan
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Linn Skinner
B&W plate of the Fetternear Banner (c. 1520) Main stitches satin and
double-running - both reversible. Christ as the Man of Sorrows, symbols of
the passion, heraldic arms of Gavin Douglas, Bishop of Dunkeld
Also mentions a set of vestments in white quilting at Traquair House,
Innerleithen, Peeblesshire
Mary Eirwen Jones "A History of Western Embroidery" SBN 289 79655 5 has a
short section on Tudor embroidery in which she discusses textiles, costume,
etc. prepared for the Field of the Cloth of Gold
Are you a member of our Yahoo group for early pattern books? These books
will give you patterns and designs available to the Tudor embroiderer from
1523 onward.
The Broderers' Company was chartered in 1561 but as mentioned their records
were lost in the great fire.
Linn Skinner
Skinner Sisters
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Bonnie
I read a mystery series by Kathy Lynn Emerson (www.kathylynnemerson.com)
which is set in the mid- to late-16th century. On her Web site if you click
on "historical mysteries" she has a link near the bottom of the page to see
bibliographies for all of her books. Bear in mind that her main character
is an herbalist, and I realize that this is before the time period you are
concentrating on, but there are SO many books listed in her bibiographies
that there might be something there useful to you. Also, you might send her
an email to see if she has run across anything in the time period and on the
topic you are seeking.
--
Bonnie
WIPs:
EGA's English Band Sampler ICC
Scarlet Letter's Luna
Stitch-n-Zip Patchwork Checkbook Cover
Knitted Cardigan
Knitted Amish Throw
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Cozit/Liz
Laren wrote:
> Well, firstly, when talking about embroidery in this period anywhere in
> Europe, the church was one of the biggest customers (either directly or
> indirectly via donations). As a result, when the middle and later half
> of Henry's reign, you have the disolutions of the monestaries and other
> church groups, alot of stuff was lost.
True. And our faire is just getting to that period, so I'm not planning
to start any altercloths or such, but I'm still interested to know
exactly what types of patterns/pictures/colors were used, and on what items.
> As far as the guilds go, most records for the London Guilds, which were
> the most highly regarded and well know, were lost in the Great Fire of
> 1666.
Another problem. There wasn't a royally sanctioned embroiderers guild
until Elizabeth's reign. That I've come across in several references.
Of course that doesn't mean that no guilds exist... just that the
current guild doesn't have any records going back that far that are
easily found and have been put into books that are available. Also
means that there aren't official documents out there that lay out
official rules of conduct, etc. for such groups, as there are for France
near that time.
> Also the period leading into Tudor times was pretty much a low point of
> English embroidery, what was taking place wasn't that great.
>
> Again, there are guild rules etc in exhistance but mostly from earlier
> periods.
Even that would help... as I've said, the only places I've been pointed
to to look in (and that includes looking up sources mentioned in other
books that I could obtain) have been pretty sparce even for that.
> While Gostelow is good, I think for the sort of information you are
> looking for, you are going to have to hit more hard course sources, like
> academic journals etc.
While strictly speaking I have access to U. of MD library books (in
general at least), in reality it's kinda tough for me to find the
opportunity to even go there to seek out other stuff. Doesn't help that
it's something I've been trying to find out in my spare time on and off
through the last few years, rather than something I'm doing for a paper
or some such.
> I will see what other references I can find.
>
I'd appreciate it!! (which reminds me that I owe H-costume a reference
list I made up, but haven't remembered to post yet...)
Thanks!
-Liz
Cozit/Liz
period in general at least. But she's Elizabethian... and I've noticed
a fair number of things that aren't "period correct".
Still read them all anyway (there's one more out that I haven't had time
to read yet, but...) I just have to turn off my need for "correctness"
while doing so... then they're very enjoyable.
-Liz
Bonnie
bibliographies...not at her mysteries.
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Cozit/Liz
going to have to go look more closely next time I'm at the library I
guess. :-)
Thanks!
-Liz (who's been giving MARINA (Maryland's in-state ILL) a workout lately)
Bonnie
author's Web site.
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