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Lula

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Mar 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/22/98
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I had an interesting thought about color today in an e-mail discussion
with a friend.
We were discussing working with complementary colors of which I happen
to work with a lot. A monchromatic person I am not when it comes to
working with color.

I've always had a problem in keeping a design in paler or more pastel
shades because I always had to add a contrasting color to zing up my
needlework or painted pictures. This of course always results in
whatever I'm doing looking typical of my brilliant color work. No matter
what I do, I cannot get away from it.
Even if I do a very good pastel rendition of a design, it always looks
incomplete to my mind's eye so I must add something to it to make it
look complete.

A painting professors once commented to me that I was born with color in
my veins rather than blood because what I did was so natural to me! He
liked the way I put colors together and then said that it was also
probably due to generations of my barbaric ancestors in the dim past
with that flair for brilliant color combinations!
Since I was born and raised in the US along with a generation or two of
family, obviously I was not only influenced by my ancestors but also by
my environment.
In my case, being an artist is interesting having two sides of the world
to literally draw from neither which is dominant in my work but
obviously has influences of each side.

It makes me wonder how much heredity or environment plays in this kind
of outlook. Where our preferences for certain colors and patterns or
what appeals to our senses.
I'm not talking about tastes for styles (only indirectly) but a feeling
one has that appeals to your inner senses.
Why you are drawn to certain colors and in consequence end up buying
patterns that appeal to your inner senses featuring colors you like? Is
it because you were always surrounded by certain colors? Or is something
you've been influenced into liking by being exposed to it?
---
Lula
http://www.woolydream.com
Needlework Adventures

Vince Rhea

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Mar 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/22/98
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I, too have always wondered about this. I did almost all of my arts and
crafts, needlework in pastels, off whites, pale, pale, pale. I am drawn to
other people's art or needlework that is "loud"--especially as long as it's
good. I never realized how pale I was until I started photographing my
work. Now I'm working with color--such fun and freedom!!! I wish I had
good photos to show you the contrast. You can try to look at this
http://www.ldd.net/victorianlady/victorian/html/ladies.html
Then look at the pictures at
http://www.ldd.net/victorianlady/victorian/html/clay.html The last group
are photos of some polymer clay that I'm working with but there is some type
of needlework in them, also. These photos are not very good--bad camera, but
you'll get the picture, I think.
Jeanne

Chris Braun

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Mar 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/22/98
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I don't know the answers to these interesting questions. I can tell
you, though, that I have a deeply-ingrained love of yellow! I
automatically take a second (or third or fourth :-) ) look at any
design that contains yellow. Just now I'm looking out the window at
my neighbors' forsythia -- my favorite flowering shrub. I don't know
why this is, but it's very strong.

Chris (who will buy anything with yellow and cats in the same design!)

Teri Rasmussen George

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Mar 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/22/98
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Lula wrote:

> Why you are drawn to certain colors and in consequence end up buying
> patterns that appeal to your inner senses featuring colors you like? Is
> it because you were always surrounded by certain colors? Or is > something you've been influenced into liking by being exposed to it?

That's a good question, Lula, but I'm afraid that I really don't know
the answer. I know myself pretty well but I can't really say why I've
preferred pastels for as long as I have. Maybe it's because right
through my teen years I was very shy, and for a long time bright colors
seemed to shout at me. Certainly, as I grew older and started to work
out of being so shy I found that I started to like deeper tones better.
I find that I'm now becoming more interested in jewel tones, those are
just slightly hotter or darker versions of pastels, though.

I'm still not at all fond of truly hot colors like red, orange, and
yellow, not in clothing, flowers, furniture, etc, but I am becoming more
open to the deeper, stronger greens, blues, and purples.

It's all kind of strange because my mother (who was soft-hearted but not
really shy) loved brighter colors, and my grandmother tended to prefer
black and white, of all things. Who knows, maybe I'm just filling in
the open spot -- I'm being the different one!

(;

Teri ~~ http://www.craftsoft.com for the CraftSoft Embroidery Floss
Color & Conversion Chart
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Softly green, a bud lifts its head and opens,
Raising petals of alabaster satin to the sun.
A snow rose blooms...

Fabrics2U

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Mar 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/23/98
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In article <351572...@earthlink.net>, Lula <wooly...@earthlink.net>
writes:

>Why you are drawn to certain colors and in consequence end up buying
>patterns that appeal to your inner senses featuring colors you like? Is
>it because you were always surrounded by certain colors? Or is something
>you've been influenced into liking by being exposed to it?

I like different colors at different times. I used to like country blue a lot,
but now I prefer mauve. I've always liked green and peach - I'm a redhead, so
they are colors I look good in.
Kim
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Quelle2

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Mar 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/23/98
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Hm you definitely have a point there. I absolutely LOVE blue/greens. Teal to
Turquoise are the colors for me. The colors I usually have difficulty liking
are drab browns and greens and I will never buy anything in those colors.
Can't think of why I have this preference the color of my room always
alternated between shades of pink and purple.

Andrea


Rotaub

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>
>Lula wrote:
>
>> Why you are drawn to certain colors and in consequence end up buying
>> patterns that appeal to your inner senses featuring colors you like? Is
>> it because you were always surrounded by certain colors? Or is > something
>you've been influenced into liking by being exposed to it?

I find that my choice of colors seems to go in cycles. Right now I am into the
teals, blue greens and deep roses ( that is one reason I was drawn to French
Perfume). At another time I was doing lots of pillows in geometric designs in
various shades of gray.
My mother always loved red and wanted a red dress but my father thougt red was
only for prostitutes so she had to bypass all the lovely red dresses. When Dad
became ill with Alzheimers, she went out and bought a red coat. Unfortunately
she never did find her red dress.

Rosemary

Susan L. Farber

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Lula <wooly...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>It makes me wonder how much heredity or environment plays in this kind
>of outlook. Where our preferences for certain colors and patterns or
>what appeals to our senses.


I wish I knew! I sometimes feel it is due to rebellion! My parents
were (and still are) *very* conservative. I was dressed in blues and
browns as a child and always felt rather "dowdy". DH allowed
(encouraged) me "to be me" and me craved COLORS!!! I absolutely love
deep jewel tones and warm bright colors. Unusual combinations and
sharp contrast are also very appealing.

Unfortunately, my love of color has gotten me in trouble, project
wise. I have many patterns that only appeal to me on a color level.
Will I do them? You bet!! The colors still call to me.


--
Sue in Concord, NH (su...@xefarber.mv.com)
"Lower your expectations - life will be simpler"


wal...@midwest.net

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I love most every color except that chartreuse! The thing is I don't
like certain combinations. I cannot stand red and yellow used
together. It reminds me of catsup and mustard poured out together. I
even make sure to include instructions not to use flowers of both
colors together in any arrangement I order from the florist. Either
color alone is perfectly fine with me but the two together make me
feel almost queasy. Weird huh?

PS - My daughter loves the Bananas in Pajamas. I gave her a squeeky
toy at Christmas. The only thing is, she's 17! When her new cousin
was born last week she got him a whole set of Bananas baby toys.
(Isn't that the hardest word to type - I want to keep going
bananananas.) Moni

Pam P.

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Mar 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/23/98
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Lula wrote:

[Snipped discussion of Lula's brilliant (in both senses of the word)
use of colour]


>It makes me wonder how much heredity or environment plays in this kind
>of outlook. Where our preferences for certain colors and patterns or
>what appeals to our senses.

>I'm not talking about tastes for styles (only indirectly) but a feeling
>one has that appeals to your inner senses.

>Why you are drawn to certain colors and in consequence end up buying
>patterns that appeal to your inner senses featuring colors you like? Is
>it because you were always surrounded by certain colors? Or is something
>you've been influenced into liking by being exposed to it?

Lula,
This is a really interesting topic. I call myself a colour junkie
because my response to colour is a real physical and emotional one - I
actually feel it in my gut when I see a colour or colours I like. I
love rich, brilliant, saturated colour, which is one of the reasons I
love living in the tropics. I don't think that there is any colour
which I don't like but of course there are shades of colours which
appeal less.

When my kids were babies, 25-30 years ago, I was considered eccentric
because I went for bright, bright colours - reds, greens, blues -
electric, navy, royal - egg yolk yellows, etc. for their nursery and
clothes. I simply didn't even consider pastels; and I tie-dyed all my
First Grandson's nappies, singlets, towels, etc. in bright colours -
orange, red, green, purple.

I lean towards reds, yellows, oranges, purples in my clothes and have
to make a conscious effort to include the other end of the colour
spectrum - blues, greens in my wardrobe. I've always mixed colours
which are not considered safe, and it works. Other people see it as
taking risks but I don't because I can 'see' clearly in my mind how it
will work.

Story: We renovated a Victorian cottage including replacing carpets
and old wooden floor with a beautiful polished Kauri (down under
timber floor in the open plan living-dining room - hallway. [Big
T-shaped space.] I couldn't for the life of me decide on the colour
scheme - didn't want the 'traditional look' which bored me silly. The
large room had fire places in diagonally opposite corners and we had
reproduction cedar sorrounds and mantels made for them, with green
slate hearths. My incredibly stylish French Canadian best friend
said, 'Choose your furnishing fabric and take your colour scheme from
that.' I found the fabric - a Monet-type print chintz in the warm
colours - made the curtains and chose the paint colours. DH had
installed deep polished wood deep skirting boards and picture rails
and the two doors into the kitchen had deep polished wood architraves.

My colours [take a deep breath] a rich creamy yellow [DMC725]on the
walls to the picture rail, a soft apple green [563] above the picture
rail, a damask pink [3354] on the ceiling, and the cornices and
ceiling roses in a deep red [347]. Everytime I described it people
winced and wanted to vomit BUT it worked beautifully. An Italian
friend who was the Head of the Art Department at the college where I
was working came to see for himself and said to me, 'It works superbly
and I'm not sure why...' <G> It didn't occur to me that it wouldn't.
End of Story.

I think I inherited my colour sense from my father - he was always
considered adventurous, but he never saw himself as that, he just did
what came naturally... which was difficult at times for my mother who
has a good but conservative sense of colour. We were the only people
I knew of who had an bright green [DMC702] car in the 1950's <G>.
But it is first and foremost intuitive, must be my
celtic/spanish/danish ancestry battling it out.

Pam P. [who craves the colours of rayon threads... ]

Jan Eaton

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Lula <wooly...@earthlink.net> wrote:
<snipped fascinating post about how Lula uses colour>

> It makes me wonder how much heredity or environment plays in this kind
> of outlook. Where our preferences for certain colors and patterns or
> what appeals to our senses.

As a child, I was dressed in greens (Mum liked green) and bright red (have
black hair, so Mum thought red looked good with it) - green is now a colour
that I *will not wear* as I just don't like it :-(
I do occasionally wear red, but have to be bright and cheerful to live up
to all the energy it gives out. Black/grey are much less demanding!
I find it difficult to design using green/red ranges and automatically pick
out the blue/turquoise/purple/hot pink ranges to work with when left to my
own devices. I do like yellow and a few other colours, but dislike
beige/brown/orange (far too *Seventies*), and like rooms painted plain
white as a background to all the colourful *clutter* I collect....

Jan

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Heather

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Mar 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/23/98
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Lula wrote in message <351572...@earthlink.net>...

>Why you are drawn to certain colors and in consequence end up buying
>patterns that appeal to your inner senses featuring colors you like? Is
>it because you were always surrounded by certain colors? Or is something
>you've been influenced into liking by being exposed to it?

Personally I like pale colors, and I buy patterns that reflect that. I
don't like using really bright colors, but I will if I find something I
love. The month by month banners in last years Cross Stitcher (US) come to
mind. Two done!

When it comes to clothes, in the winter it's black, white, gray and green.
In the summer it's black, white and pastels. I think it may have something
to do with the fact that I am very pale (almost as white as a sheet of
paper, no kidding), with light dirty brown hair, so bright colors just seem
WAY to loud for me.

I must say I love purple, and that's part of the reason I bought the
Midnight Enchanter charts and charms kit. I also love green, but not with
purple. That is one of the worst combinations, like red and yellow!
Personal opinion I guess.

Heather

NETBONNIE

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This is an interesting topic for me - I have always been interested in color
and have been told I have a good sense of color (I can match colors even when
they are not in front of me) but tend to be more cautious with color myself.

My 5yr old step-daughter and I have been discussing color a lot lately - she's
going through a stage of "favorite" colors. (Including 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th
favorties etc.) When she asked me my favorite colors she knew my "first"
favorite is green, my "second" favorite response was white - she thought about
that for a while before accepting that as an answer (white is now her 5th
favorite color)

I also have gone through phases of "favorite colors" In high school I wouldn't
go near pink - in college it was all pink. Green has been tops since then.

I also notice I have favorite color combinations - Blue & Yellow has been in
the running for a while as well as Green & White. I was just in a dept store
and saw a great bedding display of Pastel, Yellow, Lavender, Green and White -
Sounds awful but was quite nice. I usually tend to be attracted to crisp clear
colors. I never used to like yellow but now find it cropping up in things that
I do.

When I lived in Florida, my house was all done in black & tan. Now I'm in an
apartment I can't wait to get out of and haven't done anything with decor. I
wonder if my current crave of color is in response to the lack of color in my
living environment.

I remember in my parents house the "rule" was that woodwork trim, ceiling and
doors were always white - when I finally got to re-do my room I was doing a
pale green and insisted that the trim ceiling and doors be painted the same
color - had to fight with dad but I won and it was a great comforting feeling
snug in my room.

Well, I have lots more opinion on the subject but I have rambled long enough.


Bonnie
(Bon-Bon)

Linda D.

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Mar 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM3/23/98
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Hi ya,

Hmmm....

I like to stitch with antiquey colours...223 pinks, 503 greens, 932
blues... So tend to buy a lot of Sweetheart Tree, Charland Designs
and any other patterns with those as the main colours.

BUT, I like to wear black, browns & golds, royal blue, dark blue or
dark green.

AND, I prefer to decorate my home with soft warm beiges and browns,
and add colour through decorative plates and needlework.

Do I need a psychiatrist or something???? ROTFLOL!!!

Take care, Linda :) (Flit on #stitch)

Julia Hedberg

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i dont think it is enviroment, i have a twin sister who loves pinks and
pastels, i like dark rich colors. i really wear mostly black and grey, but
i do like really eye-popping color combinations on some things. dh has
started making glass beads and has me pick colors for him, he knows what
he will like but has trouble picking it himself. i wonder what role
gender might play, not only in color preference but in how aware of it one
is.
dd loves blue. that has been her favorite color as long as i can
remember. fortunately she looks absolutely stunning in it.
also an interesting color story--my youngest sister for a science fair
project decided to test color preferences in iguanas. (vermithrax was her
representative iguana) her teacher said it was a bad experiment because
iguanas couldnt see in color. so deb decided she would prove they could.
we showed him patterned cards in color and the same value in black and
white. he ignored the black and white ones and attempted to eat the
colored ones. we learned that neon green drove him crazy--he went
absolutely wild at the sight of it*--and that he was attracted to purple,
yellow, and green (not necessarily together) objects. and black objects (
i guess they remind him of me). it was sort of fun. debbies teacher
still kept saying iguanas couldnt see in color, that no reptiles could.
(so why are they brightly colored?)
julia

*terribly unfortunate story involving vermithrax, my father, and a pair of
neon green swimming trunks....

--
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Hank & Anne Reintges

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In article <01bd5650$05a65080$LocalHost@default1>, "Jan Eaton"
<jea...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:

>> It makes me wonder how much heredity or environment plays in this kind
>> of outlook. Where our preferences for certain colors and patterns or
>> what appeals to our senses.
>
>As a child, I was dressed in greens (Mum liked green) and bright red (have
>black hair, so Mum thought red looked good with it) - green is now a colour
>that I *will not wear* as I just don't like it :-(

(snipped)


beige/brown/orange (far too *Seventies*), and like rooms painted
plain
>white as a background to all the colourful *clutter* I collect....
>
>Jan
>

I have always loved green and have decorated with green in my house
for years. My daughter now hates green and will not have the color
in her home. Green reminds me of nature, trees, grass, etc. I'm
not an "outdoor" type but I love nature and animals, so perhaps
that's where my color preference comes from. But I do like
off-white walls so I can hang any stitchery I want and it doesn't
disappear into the wallpaper.

Anne/ NC

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TJBentz

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Mountain Woman wrote:
>
> There was a theory that people in certain parts of the country (USA)
> preferred different colors that people from the northeast were the pink and purple crowd and the southwest was the yellow orange brown earth tones group. I don't know where the break line occurred or what happened in the northwest.
>
> I think fashions have something to do with it. You notice how clothes and fabrics become predominated by certain colors all at once. Without knowing it we are influenced by this. For example, remember the earth tones beige rust orange etc of the seventies, the mauve, gray pink of the eighties, the puple and lime greens of the last two years or so???
>

This is an interesting theory. I live in the Southwest and
orange/brown/yellow are my favorite colors and yet I was in Michigan
during the 70's. These colors are the favorites of all the women in my
family, but the men all married "blue" women. All my stitching ends up
orange, even it that was not its intended color.

Tamara in sunny San Diego

dste...@college.med.ufl.edu

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Actually, Pam's room sounds rather nice. I remember DH wincing when I wanted
a very deep, dark mulberry color for my sewing room when we moved last year.
The room is very small and oddly shaped, but has a double window that takes up
most of the longest wall. He kept trying to convince me to use a light
color--esp. since I don't usually go wild over purply tones. But I held fast
and accented the room with a champagne carpet and white and gold furniture
with pale, pale yellow curtains, and various shades of lavender, green, and
blue to accent. Even he has to admit it looks much better! (It was white
before and the odd angles created just too many shadows).

I don't really have a "favorite" color--or a color I don't like, really.
Everytime I decide that I don't like a color--purple, for example ;) I end
up finding something I love in that color. The same with combinations of
colors. As a general rule, I prefer jewel tones and contrasts, but I ended up
decorating the above mentioned sewing room almost completely in pastels! UI
suppose, when all is said and done, that the colors have to make me feel
something--an emotional response. And usually, it is color combinations,
rather than just an isolated color that do it. I am loving this thread!

Dawn in Newberry


In article <3515fa5d...@loomi.telstra.net.au>,


cpp...@dayworld.net.au (Pam P.) wrote:
>
> Lula wrote:
>
> [Snipped discussion of Lula's brilliant (in both senses of the word)
> use of colour]

> >It makes me wonder how much heredity or environment plays in this kind
> >of outlook. Where our preferences for certain colors and patterns or
> >what appeals to our senses.

> >I'm not talking about tastes for styles (only indirectly) but a feeling
> >one has that appeals to your inner senses.

> >Why you are drawn to certain colors and in consequence end up buying
> >patterns that appeal to your inner senses featuring colors you like? Is
> >it because you were always surrounded by certain colors? Or is something
> >you've been influenced into liking by being exposed to it?
>


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Dianne Lewandowski

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So many men are color blind - to one degree or another. I've been
married three times - each one was color blind. First one saw only
grays and browns, second and third can't tell green from red - but it
really goes further than that. Current hubby has a horrid time picking
colors - of any shade.

And - they are all shy about it - and don't like to talk about it or
admit it. Go figure.

Dianne

Signname

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> I found I was
>drawn to the same colours (number families even..

I find I do the same thing, Tara. I used to buy thread by just going to the
store and picking up a few skeins - until I realized I always bought the same
colors! Maybe it's some kind of imprinting, and those were the colors of the
hospital delivery room!

Carol

Tama Filipas

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Anne, I'm with you on the green/purple issue! *Love* that combination,
but it's got to be just the right intensities of each. Green's been my
favorite color for years....bright green, forest green, grass green,
spring green, and come to think of it my DD's chartreuse sweats don't
make my fillings hurt nearly as much as they used to. Perhaps a group
appointment at the psychoanalyst is in order. How about it? Any more
green/purple fans out there?

Tama (who has, just this morning, adjusted her e-mail address so folks
can reach me easier now)

"AnneS" <an...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:

>Oh no, I think I need to be psycho-analysed!! As a child I always
>used to put green and purple together in people's outfits, and I still
>quite like the clashing colours (although I'd never actually wear it
>myself!), and my favourite flower bouquet of all time is to have red
>and yellow roses together in the same vase. I find the blend so
>vibrant and cheery, it never fails to lift my mood. Oh well, there's
>always one in every group! ;-))
>
>Personally I've always been drawn to the brighter spectrum of colours
>- primaries, turquoise, teals, yellows etc. I never used to wear them
>because of being large and my mother always used to say it would
>emphasise my size. After having my 'colours done' a few years ago,
>I found out I was classes as a Spring person, and really suit all those
>bright colours - yippee! Rather than making me look worse, those
>colours really complement me and other people have noticed this and
>commented. Hence my wardrobe that used to be mostly autumn colours
>is now gradually being upgraded by nice clear brights.
>
>I have to admit that XS charts with bright colours jump out at me and say
>'take me home', but that alone doesn't make me buy it - I need to really
>like the topic as well. Also I still buy pastels (albeit VERY
>occasionally),
>but love the bright blues and yellows - why aren't there more Mediterranean
>style charts with those wonderful terracotta colours, and Greek blues? :-)
>Cheers,
>Anne
>-----

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>


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Fred Gilligan

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I think that it is a combination of all factors. I instinctively love
blues -- all shades, but feel especially drawn to the cornflower, royal,
and delft colors. (is that why my kitchen is all in blue and white?).
However, I do feel drawn towards yellow, and more so as time goes by.
But I have to wonder if it is because it so sets off blue and white
china, etc. My favorite color combination besides blue/white/yellow
variations is the blue and cinnabar in imari porcelian. Is it my love
for asian art or a more mature love of blue and white that allows me to
love the cinnabar in it? I never used to like that combination -- in
fact hated it for many years. However, now I love it.
My kids always pick out their clothes -- Jason (3 yr old) will always
choose a yellow shirt if there are any clean, and Christina (4 1/2 yr
old) will always choose pink clothes, if there are any available. Their
rooms are painted yellow and pink respectively (yellow done before they
were born and Christina spent 18 months in that room before moving to
the pink room). Environment?
Good question, Lula.
jennifer gilligan


Pam P.

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Julia Hedberg wrote:

[Snip]


>*terribly unfortunate story involving vermithrax, my father, and a pair of
>neon green swimming trunks....

Oh, now come on Julia, do tell! <BG>

Pam P.

Sue Conrad

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Lula, when i was taking art appreciation and art history classes in
college we had to visit musuems, etc and i usually took my mom along.
As it turned out, both of us LOVED the paintings of the Impressionists,
not too odd, since they are fairly familiar to most people....but to us
this was a shock, because art was something right there with music, and
literature that we rarely agreed upon. Well as we went through an
exhibit one day, i noticed that she went right up close to the painting
to see almost between the blobs (not a artistic term, but you know what
I mean), whereas I stood back and viewed the whole (well i felt a bit
better knowing that we still didn't totally agree), the gist is i
remember a teacher telling us that especially with this kind of art,
and the juxtiposition(sp?) of colors, your mind's eye filled in the
blanks to make the million splotches into a solid picture. I guess an
example would be something by Seraut done in points, the viewer doesn't
see each point of color but forms them into a scene that our mind can
then understand. So maybe how we see the painting is inheirated, but
how we interpret it is based on our own life experiences or
environment. I mean look at all those studies they have done with twins
separated at birth and how many similarities their lives hold. This
nature-vs-nuture thing has been a question in science for a long time,
and i truly believe it colors (i couldn't resist, i'm sorry) all
aspects of our lives. sue who rambled on much too longl

Sue Conrad

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I think that some of this color thing might also be what "society" has
groomed us towards...i means infants clothes can be divided into blue
for boys and pink for babies....though now the range is widening. And
pastels used to be the rage for nurseries, whereas now much is being
done in bolds and brights...and even studies done on toys in black in
white since children can focus easier on those earlier. Earthtones
were around forever it seems, and when I was apartment looking, I never
wanted to see another avocada shag carpet again. Then we went to
country colors like colonial blue with rose, and then to southwest with
peach and greens, and then neons, and it goes on and on...sometimes i'm
not sure if we are wearing what we like and then the mfg give us more,
or if we begin to like what they have already mfg'd. I figure that
eventually it all comes around again, and unless we have huge closets,
never lose/gain weight, and never throw anything out, we will go buy
more, and start the whole thing over.....sue whose 8 year old still
loves anything as long as it is black...

Sue Conrad

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Dianne, regarding men and color blindness, as i recall from biology many
years ago, the genes for that trait (being coorblind) are found to be
what they call a sex-linked trait. Can't remember details, or if i want
to...but just thought i would toss that in.

Sue Conrad

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Julia, it would seem to me that while your daughter's iguana might not
have "seen" in the common human sense of the word...he definately did
react to the color...and beside how does that teacher know that reptiles
can't see color, I'm sure that they don't tell her so!!!! As far as
changing colors, I saw on one of the animal programs that it is actually
a unconscious reaction on the part of the reptile...but then again, who
knows what it (the critter) is thinking. Like when Piranah's get "mad"
and change colors to show red, i really doubt he thinks about it, and
then does it....it is a bio-chemical thing. It's back to the Darwin
thing, of survival of the fittest...the animals that "hide" themselves
using cammoflag(sp) tend to survive and pass on their traits to their
off-spring who then (if the conditions remain the same) will survive
better. As much as i love our three cats, i think that sometimes we
tend to attached human things "seeing", "thinking", "decision making"
to animals..don't get me wrong, in many ways, i think that animals
surpass us, especially in survival tactics, preserving their world's
integrity, etc...but I just don't know how that teacher can be sure that
reptiles don't SEE color.. sue, who really does love teachers, but is
waiting to get bopped for this whole thing..

Monique Reed

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I think some reptiles, at least, must see in color. My sister raises exotic
lizards and had a couple of one sort that absolutely would not eat food that
was not red (their natural food was cactus fruit.) And lots of reptiles
do have display colors that must mean something! Birds see in color, and so
do many types of fish. Most mammals (exept for primates and perhaps some
others) do not (dogs, cats, horses, etc--no color). Insects do--and some can
see in the UV range as well.

Think I'll go ask my sister about iguanas in particular...

Monique

Fred&Sandy Borngasser

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Lula <wooly...@earthlink.net>

> > writes:
> >
> > >Why you are drawn to certain colors and in consequence end up buying
> > >patterns that appeal to your inner senses featuring colors you like? Is
> > >it because you were always surrounded by certain colors? Or is something
> > >you've been influenced into liking by being exposed to it?
> >
> > I like different colors at different times. I used to like country blue a
> lot,
> > but now I prefer mauve. I've always liked green and peach - I'm a
> redhead, so
> > they are colors I look good in.
> > Kim
> > Fabrics2U
I can't help but feel that we are more comfortable with colors that we
like to live in, as well as with. I love brilliant colors, red, hot
pink, royal blue, turquoise, jade greet. but none of the tones of orange
or yellow. These are the colors of almost everything in my closet and I
accent with these colors in my home as well. I use more muted shades
for big pieces, but my carpet is turquoise, just not the brilliant color
that I wear. I also tend to mix colors that people don't think go
together and carry a red purse almost all the time as I figure red is a
nice basic color and goes with everything. Maybe the fact that I'm
about 6" tall, weigh just about 200 Lbs, and wear my hear in a bleached
blonde crewcut tells you more about me. I figure I cant hide in a
crowd, might as well stand out in one.

> > email me to get on monthly sale list!
> > http://members.aol.com/Fabrics2U/index.html
> >

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Heather wrote in message <35164...@news.cgocable.net>...

real

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My pet hate is orange.
Don't know why!
But i love the jewel colours and of course black and white.
I tend to wear solid colours and matching items in the same colour works for
me with a break of another layer in another colour as a contrast.
I don't like the primary colours in xs designs much and tend to go for
pastels or the jewel colours.
Ruth Auliff-Leonard
re...@hn.planet.gen.nz

F.James Cripwell

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FWIW, some snakes (pit vipers?) can see in the infra red !!!
--
Jim Cripwell. From Canada, Land of the Key Bird. This creature
of doom flies over the frozen tundra in winter,
shrieking its dreaded call. "Key, Key, Key,
Keyrist but it's cold."

stardust

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Hi Friends,

I haven't read all the replies yet, so am trusting that noone has tread
this ground already..

one of the newer trends in non-medicative therapy is color therapy.. it
seems that certain colors evoke the release of certain neurotransmitters in
us people-folks (and, IMHO, our fur-babies)..
there are theories that we are drawn to those colors which complement our
emotional makeup and or mood..
this is a relatively new field (as a science, the general idea has been
known for some time).. it is being used in hospitals, schools, even
factories to adjust people's moods..
we all know the basic ideas.. cool, pastel shades are restful (i.e., type B
people) and the hot bright colors are stimulating (type A people)..
rules such as 'red for the bedroom is not condusive to resting well,
whereas a cool color or pastel is' and 'yellow kitchens for brightness'
(and yellow and red are believed to stimulate hunger, thus the reds and
yellows on most food packaging), etc..

risktakers and dramatic people tend towards dramatic shades.. the calmer
and more understated of us tend towards pastels..

oodles of theories and the research is ongoing and fascinating.. I have a
course in color therapy in my senior year but haven't gotten there yet..

just my 10 cents worth (college prices, ya know <g>)
Dianne
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"Crosstitchers are the ORIGINAL X-philes"- Dianne K.
North Carolina
 

MaryPulver

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In article <6f702j$610$1...@newsd-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, conra...@webtv.net
(Sue Conrad) writes:

I think I may have already reported this in another thread some months back,
but to reiterate (sp?): It is a sex-linked trait; males inherit it. It is
useful in hunting, as certain forms of color blindness enable the possessor to
see animals using color as camoflage -- color doesn't fool *their* eyes! But
color sight is useful in other ways, so it isn't useful to have every male
color blind, just one or two in a group of hunters. And females rarely are
color blind, because they, the ones out gathering the roots and berries while
the men hunted, need to see colors to choose the ripest fruit. At least, this
is the explanation I was given in a science course (mumble) years ago.

Mary Monica

PS I think this discusson on color one of the most fascinating OT topics in a
long while, even better than how to get rid of door-to-door evangelists. I
like jewel colors myself, and am discovering, after years of avoiding it, that
I look good in pink. I haven't done enough canvases yet to know what colors I
like there. So far it's been a mix.

Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?

Richardson

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Lula wrote:
>
> It makes me wonder how much heredity or environment plays in this kind
> of outlook. Where our preferences for certain colors and patterns or
> what appeals to our senses.
> I'm not talking about tastes for styles (only indirectly) but a feeling
> one has that appeals to your inner senses.
> Why you are drawn to certain colors and in consequence end up buying
> patterns that appeal to your inner senses featuring colors you like? Is
> it because you were always surrounded by certain colors? Or is something
> you've been influenced into liking by being exposed to it?
> ---
> Lula

(BTW - this is one of the most interesting threads I've read through in a
long time! Thanks Lula)
When I was little we visited my grandmother every year. She painted,
sewed, and quilted, so there were always lots of colors in her home. Not
in the way her house was decorated, but the oil paints and all the
fabrics. My mother & I have always felt I got my color sense/influence
from my grandmother, because whenever I bought fabric to make clothes or
quilts or picked paint for my room or something, the combinations always
came out really good.
For a very long time I found myself only buying material in shades of
blue. I remember looking at my wardrobe one day after I'd been married
for awhile and realizing I almost had no other color in it, so I
purposely avoided blue for awhile to get some variety. That way I started
discovering other colors I liked, but now I find I still lean toward
blues, teals, turquoise, almost always either cool colors or bright warm
colors. Not too much pastel anymore.
As to reacting to certain colors badly - in my case it was blue & yellow
together. Now it's OK, but for a long time that combination only meant
one thing - the rival high school and football season!
I've been thinking about painting my (very tiny) sewing room rainbow
style - picking out small containers of lots of colors I like. Our old
house has lathe and plaster walls, but the sewing room still has just all
the slats of wood, painted white. I want to do each vertical slat a
different color, randomly. DH wasn't too enthusiastic, but after this
thread, I'm thinking about it again.
--
Patty in Oregon
"So delicate with her needle; an admirable musician;
O! she will sing the savageness out of a bear." (Wm. Shakespeare)

Lula

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Yes, I've heard of the color studies and how a lot of these theories
have been put to work.
Studying color and its effects on different aspects of life is a huge
field of study. Totally fascinating.
The posts to this thread have been very interesting and very thought
provoking.

Along the general lines of colors labeling general groups of people
together, it's very interesting to see how many variations and opposites
to these theories there are just by reading the answers to this thread.

As several people posted, they find themselves buying the same DMC color
threads over and over again.
I do the exact same thing when painting my needlepoint designs or
pulling floss for my XS charts. I have a certain range of colors I tend
to use over and over again which my designs their unique "look".
I use brilliant colors in designing and surround myself with them in my
work place but don't wear them much. As discussed in an earlier thread,
many designers in many fields tend to wear black.

I discovered a long time ago, I am a "blue" person. It is my favorite
color and I use a lot of variations of blue in my work and living
environment.

Blue to me is a neutral color especially the deep ultramarine blue I
favor for my work. From this starting point, I add all kinds of
contrasting colors to it and that's how I end up with my brilliant
palette even though most people generally think of blue as a calming
color. The blues I like are the dramatic color blues as most of my
colors are.
One blue I've never liked is powder blue because it is such an insipid
color to my eyes.

Though I love dramatic colors, I'm not a flamboyant person by any means
but seem to follow the basic concept of a calm "blue" person as my
personality trait.
---
Lula
http://www.woolydream.com
Needlework Adventures

stardust wrote:
>
> one of the newer trends in non-medicative therapy is color therapy.. it
> seems that certain colors evoke the release of certain neurotransmitters in
> us people-folks (and, IMHO, our fur-babies)..
> there are theories that we are drawn to those colors which complement our
> emotional makeup and or mood..

>

Laurie Graham

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Chris Braun wrote:
>
> I don't know the answers to these interesting questions. I can tell
> you, though, that I have a deeply-ingrained love of yellow! I
> automatically take a second (or third or fourth :-) ) look at any
> design that contains yellow. Just now I'm looking out the window at
> my neighbors' forsythia -- my favorite flowering shrub. I don't know
> why this is, but it's very strong.
>
> Chris (who will buy anything with yellow and cats in the same design!)


Actually, this is fairly common. So common, in fact, that I heard that
contractors/developers will paint the door of a house yellow to make it
sell faster. (I heard of a woman who couldn't sell her house, and after
hearing about this she painted the whole outside of the house yellow --
got an offer on it the first day after it was painted.)

LSG

wal...@midwest.net

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I always told people my favorite color was green (as long as it isn't
a yellow green). One day my friend and I were shopping for clothing
and the clerk asked my favorite color. I said green of course but my
friend said," No, it's purple. Think of your closet - what color are
all the clothes you buy?" She was right - any shade of purple or rich
royal blues.

When I finally put my DMC floss on a database I did the inventory and
was surprised to find that I had as many as 10 of some of the purples
and blues, few oranges, no greens except kelly, pine or mint families
and more deep colors rather than pastels. Now I shop with my
inventory in hand. Moni

Julia Hedberg

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In article <3516f09c...@loomi.telstra.net.au>,
cpp...@dayworld.net.au (Pam P.) wrote:

well, vermithrax was a free-roaming house pet, he had a "cage" where he
was fed, and where his uv light and heating pad were. anyways he would
make the rounds of the house, spending time in different places. one of
these was under my parents bed. my dad had the habit of riding his
exercise bike in his swimming trunks. they were turquoise, with neon-green
colour blocking. anyways my dad was apparently heading either to the
bathroom or the hallway, wearing these trunks, and BAM! all of a sudden
the iguana (who was lurking under the bed) jumped him from behind and bit
him right on the butt. (iguanas are terrific jumpers) i wasn't home at
the time, and honestly i can't believe my father didn't kill the lizard.
he sure was mad. and the awful thing is that it is sort of funny, i mean
i dont think it was funny that my dad got bitten, but it still sort of
funny. i mean the whole situtation was sort of ludicrous.
julia

Julia Hedberg

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In article <6f6vkl$609$1...@newsd-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
conra...@webtv.net (Sue Conrad) wrote:

it wasn't the animals ability to change color i meant, but that so many
reptiles, fish, birds, insects, etc are brightly colored. i mean, the
kids read textbooks about "color is used to attract a mate and ward off
enemies...." well, it sort of stands to reason that some animals at least
must be able to see some colors. i guess studies of the optical structure
of domestic animals (i;e. dogs, cats, maybe farm animals?) indicate that
they lack the physical apparatus to see color (is i cones or rods? i get
them mixed up) which is i guess why we dont have purple cats. debbie and i
developed this theory, which i think raises some interesting points, and i
think her teacher at least could have listened to her.
julia
(i like teachers too. some of my favorite people have been my teachers. i
dont think anyone will bop us for this :) )

Dandalion

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I don't think it's entirely the environment I was raised in... but the
people I grew up with may have had something to do with it. When I was
growing up, there were many "elders" in my family.

I appreciate the rich colors of old - Victorian, Byzantine, "antiques" and
the like. I was an art student at our museum for many years, where ALL the
styles were taught, but I kept returning to the historical colors... even
the "Williamsburg" shades of paints at the hardware store are attractive to
me! LOL

I never could develop a taste for pastels (unless they were pastel crayons)
and my mom decorated my room in those colors as often as she could - be
feminine, she said, be ladylike, she said... pheh! Queen Victoria was VERY
ladylike (IMHO) and I would bet pastels weren't a part of her everyday
scheme! <G>

I like the blues, greens, golds, and deep reds to stitch with, and antique
whites, creams, grays to stitch on.

What a brilliant topic Lula!

Sara
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will happen to you the rest of the day.
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Lula wrote in message <351572...@earthlink.net>...
>I had an interesting thought about color today in an e-mail discussion
>with a friend.
>We were discussing working with complementary colors of which I happen
>to work with a lot. A monchromatic person I am not when it comes to
>working with color.
>
>I've always had a problem in keeping a design in paler or more pastel
>shades because I always had to add a contrasting color to zing up my
>needlework or painted pictures. This of course always results in
>whatever I'm doing looking typical of my brilliant color work. No matter
>what I do, I cannot get away from it.
>Even if I do a very good pastel rendition of a design, it always looks
>incomplete to my mind's eye so I must add something to it to make it
>look complete.
>
>A painting professors once commented to me that I was born with color in
>my veins rather than blood because what I did was so natural to me! He
>liked the way I put colors together and then said that it was also
>probably due to generations of my barbaric ancestors in the dim past
>with that flair for brilliant color combinations!
>Since I was born and raised in the US along with a generation or two of
>family, obviously I was not only influenced by my ancestors but also by
>my environment.
>In my case, being an artist is interesting having two sides of the world
>to literally draw from neither which is dominant in my work but
>obviously has influences of each side.


>
>It makes me wonder how much heredity or environment plays in this kind
>of outlook. Where our preferences for certain colors and patterns or
>what appeals to our senses.
>I'm not talking about tastes for styles (only indirectly) but a feeling
>one has that appeals to your inner senses.
>Why you are drawn to certain colors and in consequence end up buying
>patterns that appeal to your inner senses featuring colors you like? Is
>it because you were always surrounded by certain colors? Or is something
>you've been influenced into liking by being exposed to it?

NETBONNIE

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In article <3517B7A5...@ipass.net>, stardust <star...@ipass.net> writes:

>we all know the basic ideas.. cool, pastel shades are restful (i.e., type B
>people) and the hot bright colors are stimulating (type A people)..
>rules such as 'red for the bedroom is not condusive to resting well,
>whereas a cool color or pastel is' and 'yellow kitchens for brightness'
>(and yellow and red are believed to stimulate hunger, thus the reds and
>yellows on most food packaging), etc..

When I was in Jr. High school, they were doing a color experiment (The parents
and students did not know this which caused problems later but..) The school
was set up as 4 "houses", each house was a different color - blue, green orange
and yellow - everything in that house was that color - walls, rugs, desks,
chairs, etc.

They determined that different colors were better for learning different
subjects - blue was better for sciences, orange was very stimulating and better
for creativity (including writing) Of course the orange house was always the
loudest and least calm.

It was an interesting study but parents were up in arms after it came out that
perhaps their kids didn't get the best education because of it - particularly
the orange house parents.


Bonnie
(Bon-Bon)

Suz

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Julia Hedberg wrote:
>
>
> it wasn't the animals ability to change color i meant, but that so many
> reptiles, fish, birds, insects, etc are brightly colored. i mean, the
> kids read textbooks about "color is used to attract a mate and ward off
> enemies...." well, it sort of stands to reason that some animals at least
> must be able to see some colors. i guess studies of the optical structure
> of domestic animals (i;e. dogs, cats, maybe farm animals?) indicate that
> they lack the physical apparatus to see color (is i cones or rods? i get
> them mixed up) which is i guess why we dont have purple cats. debbie and i

OK, this is horrible.. Right now in my Comparative Physiology class we
are discussing
vision, so I SHOULD get this right (unless I was sleeping too much in
class :) )

Cones function in bright light and interpret color, where as Rods
function in dim light and can't see color (which would be why, in the
dark,
we see everything in shades of grey)

Many animals do see in color, which explains bright colorations that
appear
for attracting mates and warning.

Most lizards CAN see in color, many lower mammals such as dogs, cats and
farm animals have no cones, and therefore cannot see color.
Some birds and a lot of insects see in UV (which explains some of those
wacky
colors and patterns of flowers and the light used in those bug zappers)
and many
animals (mostly snakes) use Infrared sensors.

I could get into the coat color genetics of cats and tell you why we
don't
have purple cats, but I wont :)

Ok, I'll stop now, I hope that wasn't too much :)

Suz, the sometimes intelligent Zoology student.

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On 23 Mar 1998 03:08:42 GMT, "Mountain Woman" <ss...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:

>I think fashions have something to do with it. You notice how clothes and
>fabrics become predominated by certain colors all at once. Without knowing
>it we are influenced by this. For example, remember the earth tones beige
>rust orange etc of the seventies, the mauve, gray pink of the eighties, the
>purple and lime greens of the last two years or so???

Yes, and so far the only one of those colors that I've liked is the
mauve.

>Black is always in so don't count black or white.

*sigh* But black is a lot more 'in' now than it was -- say -- 5 to 10
years ago. Seems like a very high percentage of clothing is black
now, and I'm getting really tired of it. Give me some nice blues,
teals, greens (not sour apple green or chartreuse), even light, soft,
pure yellows (no bright ones, thanks) and I'd be very grateful.

Teri ~~ http://www.craftsoft.com for the new CraftSoft
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On 23 Mar 1998 16:58:54 GMT, netb...@aol.com (NETBONNIE) wrote:

>I also have gone through phases of "favorite colors" In high school I wouldn't
>go near pink - in college it was all pink. Green has been tops since then.

I've changed favorite colors too, but it seems to take many years for
each change to occur. From childhood right through high school, my
favorite 'color' was silver -- not gray, but silver. In my early
twenties blue became my favorite, with sky blue and sapphire blue
being my favorites. That changed about 10 years ago and teal (teal
green and teal blue, fading all the way down to light aquas and
seafoam green) became my favorite. And that's where I am now.

One thing I have noticed though, I've started showing a little more
interest in greens of all types. I never really cared for green
before, so that's rather interesting.

Chris Braun

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On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:17:46 -0800, Laurie Graham
<dbgr...@earthlink.net> wrote:

><snipped my original post about loving yellow>


>
>Actually, this is fairly common. So common, in fact, that I heard that
>contractors/developers will paint the door of a house yellow to make it
>sell faster. (I heard of a woman who couldn't sell her house, and after
>hearing about this she painted the whole outside of the house yellow --
>got an offer on it the first day after it was painted.)
>

If you read home decorating magazines -- which I do -- you'll note
that lots of rooms are painted in various shades of yellow -- way more
than you see in real homes. (These are the more traditional style
decorating magazines, not the modern ones, which seem to mostly avoid
colors.) When I hired a woman to paint my living room yellow, she
commented that she was always seeing yellow rooms in magazines but had
never before had a customer ask for it. So maybe there is something
to yellow helping "sell" homes, indoors or out.

Chris

Chris Braun

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On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:56:04 GMT, wal...@midwest.net wrote:

>I always told people my favorite color was green (as long as it isn't
>a yellow green). One day my friend and I were shopping for clothing
>and the clerk asked my favorite color. I said green of course but my
>friend said," No, it's purple. Think of your closet - what color are
>all the clothes you buy?" She was right - any shade of purple or rich
>royal blues.

Well, I don't know that one needs to wear a color most of the time for
it to be one's favorite. I have a great preference for yellow, and in
fact gravitate toward yellow things in clothing stores, but there's
not a whole lot of yellow clothing around and yellow is certainly not
the predominant color in my wardrobe. I do like yellow accents,
shirts and sweaters, etc., but I don't think a whole wardrobe of
yellow would be very practical or flattering. (Especially since I'm a
big lady :-) ).

Perhaps more interestingly, I don't particularly like purples -- don't
use them at all in my home -- but have quite a few purple clothing
items. Don't know why, really. It's a pretty good color on me (as is
yellow as well, really). I like deep roses and burgundies but they
don't look good on me at all; I'm fairly so-so about pastel pink but
it flatters me.

Chris

Fran

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I doubt it's completely hereditary because no-one in my family has the
same color tastes! Dad wears blue and grey. Mom loves the grey and
(my term) muddy brownish tones. One sister likes just about anything,
another likes the earth tones (and her daughters like purple and pink
respectively) , and I love the jewel tones. In fact, when it comes to
trying to guess what colors Mom would like, I invariably wind up
choosing the colors I hate! I can't remember the last time we all
agreed on a color.

When looking for patterns, I am invariably drawn to those with the
clear jewel colors like in Mirabilia. Anything else, unless I can see
it done in clear tones, doesn't get more than a glance. Like many
people in this thread, I found I had to take a list of colors I
already have when shopping or I'll always head for the colors I like
and never get anything of the rest, even if I did need it!

On Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:19:40 -0500, Lula <wooly...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

ahe...@dorsai.org

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My favorite colors - blue, all shades, lavender blue topping the list.
I got a cross stitch book called Cross Stitch in Blue and White - just
right for me! However this aren't the colors I look best in :-( I
look best in peaches, olives, tans - fall colors - also pink recently.
Turquoise is good too. I started out buying floss in colors I liked
and got an awful lot of lavender blue, antique blue, etc... I don't
like primary colors much. Jewel tones are good as are pastels...

Alison

Nan

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Teri Rasmussen George wrote:
>
> On 23 Mar 1998 16:58:54 GMT, netb...@aol.com (NETBONNIE) wrote:
>
> >I also have gone through phases of "favorite colors" In high school I wouldn't
> >go near pink - in college it was all pink. Green has been tops since then.
>
> I've changed favorite colors too, but it seems to take many years for
> each change to occur. From childhood right through high school, my
> favorite 'color' was silver -- not gray, but silver. In my early
> twenties blue became my favorite, with sky blue and sapphire blue
> being my favorites. That changed about 10 years ago and teal (teal
> green and teal blue, fading all the way down to light aquas and
> seafoam green) became my favorite. And that's where I am now.
>
> One thing I have noticed though, I've started showing a little more
> interest in greens of all types. I never really cared for green
> before, so that's rather interesting.

It's interesting to see that several people in this thread are saying
their color preferences have changed through the years.

My top favorite has stayed the same--blue--but my also-much-loved list
of colors has gotten longer and longer. Greens were added some time ago,
although I still don't care for chartreuse or most other yellowy-greens
or greeny-yellows. Rosy colors came next, but still a long time ago.
Black and white got in after that, followed by reds. Then just recently,
after lots of concentrated attention over the past year on
color--looking at XS designs for hours!--I've given in on purples,
lavenders, amethysts, and also just within the past month finally opened
up to yellows.

Brown is hesitantly knocking at the door. But orange is still a color
that, to me, looks good only where it belongs in nature. Pumpkins,
oranges, tiger lilies all look beautiful to me, but not pictures of
them, and not other things done in their colors. No explanation!

To respond to Lula's question, I'm supposed to be a "summer" and those
are the colors I look best in and like to have around me at home. My
mother is a "spring" and my dad was an "autumn," I think, and those were
the colors I grew up wearing. Didn't quite know why I didn't like most
of my clothes! So it doesn't seem to me that in my case my color
preferences are either hereditary or environmental, as far as following
in my parents' footsteps. I seem to like what looks good on me, with a
little pushing at the "summer" envelope with red and black.

Nan
Laugh before you are happy because otherwise you might die before having
laughed. --Jean de La Bruyere.

Too much reading hinders knowledge. We think we know what we have read,
and consider ourselves excused from learning it. --Rousseau

HAJI

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BLUE!! If I had to pick a favorite..but like many of you it is the
combination of colors that do it for me.

Haji

Lula wrote:

>
> As several people posted, they find themselves buying the same DMC color
> threads over and over again.
> I do the exact same thing when painting my needlepoint designs or
> pulling floss for my XS charts. I have a certain range of colors I tend
> to use over and over again which my designs their unique "look".
> I use brilliant colors in designing and surround myself with them in my
> work place but don't wear them much. As discussed in an earlier thread,
> many designers in many fields tend to wear black.
>
> I discovered a long time ago, I am a "blue" person. It is my favorite
> color and I use a lot of variations of blue in my work and living
> environment.
>
> Blue to me is a neutral color especially the deep ultramarine blue I
> favor for my work. From this starting point, I add all kinds of
> contrasting colors to it and that's how I end up with my brilliant
> palette even though most people generally think of blue as a calming
> color. The blues I like are the dramatic color blues as most of my
> colors are.
> One blue I've never liked is powder blue because it is such an insipid
> color to my eyes.
>
> Though I love dramatic colors, I'm not a flamboyant person by any means
> but seem to follow the basic concept of a calm "blue" person as my
> personality trait.

Lula

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Seeing between the "dots" of color close up is the same principle behind
printing graphics on paper as so many dots per inch. The denser the
dots, the more defined the printed graphic and vice versa.

I agree with your comments Sue, about how we see colors in art works
will be "colored" by what we have been exposed to.
Many cultures have color associations to illustrate and define different
emotions or meanings.

To me it's fascinating to look at needlework from different parts of the
world. How colors are commonly used along with defined types of patterns
that are be used by ethnic groups to express and show status and
relationships.

Color and pattern motifs in Chinese embroideries are well defined as to
who could wear what such as (imperial) yellow was reserved for the
Emperor, red defined for happiness and blue and white as mourning.
Just as that ancient shade of Phoenician or Tyrian purple was reserved
for royalty at one time due to the expense of the dye and why we often
imagine a King or Queen wearing purple robes!

But I still wonder why even among twins and certainly from my own large
family where all are usually exposed to the same environments often have
individual color tastes.
I know my taste for brilliant colors comes from my exposure to all the
ethnic embroideries and crafts around me as a child but none of my
siblings exhibit the same color preferences. In fact all are into pale,
neutral colors, influenced by my mother. I was the only rebel who
refused to wear or live with pastels.

My conclusion for myself would be my sense of using colors is genetic in
the way of being born with a more highly developed sense for seeing and
using colors as in my being an artist.


---
Lula
http://www.woolydream.com
Needlework Adventures

Sue Conrad wrote:
>
> As it turned out, both of us LOVED the paintings of the Impressionists,

Well as we went through an
> exhibit one day, i noticed that she went right up close to the painting
> to see almost between the blobs (not a artistic term, but you know what
> I mean), whereas I stood back and viewed the whole (well i felt a bit
> better knowing that we still didn't totally agree), the gist is i
> remember a teacher telling us that especially with this kind of art,
> and the juxtiposition(sp?) of colors, your mind's eye filled in the
> blanks to make the million splotches into a solid picture. I guess an
> example would be something by Seraut done in points, the viewer doesn't
> see each point of color but forms them into a scene that our mind can
> then understand. So maybe how we see the painting is inheirated, but
> how we interpret it is based on our own life experiences or
> environment. I mean look at all those studies they have done with twins
> separated at birth and how many similarities their lives hold. This
> nature-vs-nuture thing has been a question in science for a long time,
> and i truly believe it colors (i couldn't resist, i'm sorry) all
> aspects of our lives. sue who rambled on much too longl

Karen T

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Absolutely right about reptiles and birds and insects, but only a
little off on the dog and cat part. They *do* have cones, just not
very many. So they can see *some* shades of colors, but not much.
Karen

On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:29:30 -0600, Suz <Mou...@mail.utexas.edu>
wrote:

Aramanth Dawe

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Kim Brown <c940...@alinga.newcastle.edu.au> wrote:

<snip>
><P>Quick story (on topic):
><BR>I had to make a set of bedding, hat, handtowel, lunch bag etc for DD
>to take to preschool. In my mind, I was going to make a perfectly *glorious*
>ensemble from pale mint green with some rose pink lace trim. Very feminine.
>Very pretty. I took DH along to look at fabric and came home with LOUD
>blue and white striped cotton and an *egg yellow* trim. 'Bananas in Pyjamas',
>DH announced triumphantly! She'll be the envy of every kid there. She was.
>Still is. But in my heart, I wanted the pale green and rose pink! It almost
>*hurt* to stitch the Bananas fabric, I can tell you.

><P>Trish {|:-}
><BR>PS Is everyone familiar with the Bananas? They're really big in Oz:
>two blokes dressed up in Banana suits and blue striped pyjamas do fun things
>with three teddies and a big rat.

And yet, not matter how much it hurt to stitch Ell her Banana's dress,
Trish still managed to find it in her to make another 2 so that my
Little Goddesses Of Chaos and Destruction could have some too. And
they, too, are the envy of other kids they know.

<HUG>

Thanks, Trish. One of these days I'll get batteries in the camera so
you can see how cute they look.

Aramanth
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Pam P.

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Patty in Oregon wrote:

[Snipped description of origin of Patty's good colour sense]

>I've been thinking about painting my (very tiny) sewing room rainbow
>style - picking out small containers of lots of colors I like. Our old
>house has lathe and plaster walls, but the sewing room still has just all
>the slats of wood, painted white. I want to do each vertical slat a
>different color, randomly. DH wasn't too enthusiastic, but after this
>thread, I'm thinking about it again.

Oh YES Patty, do it!

I've thought about doing something like that - I think that it's
really okay to experiment. What's the worst that can happen? It
doesn't work so you have to repaint the room... <G>
Try It and let us know how it looks. The important thing to keep in
mind is making sure that the colour values are balanced ... use your
thread colours and then you can match them to the paint cards.

Good luck
Pam P. [the colour junkie whose favourite colour is red - bright fire
engine red. Well, I *am a Fire sign - Aries.]

stardust

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Priceless!! He must have looked like some sort of prey.. what do iguanas eat anyway? maybe
Vermi thought he was a giant grasshopper or something..

::still laughing::

Dianne

Julia Hedberg wrote:

> > >*terribly unfortunate story involving vermithrax, my father, and a pair of
> > >neon green swimming trunks....

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stardust

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Dandalion wrote:

> I don't think it's entirely the environment I was raised in... but the

> people I grew up with may have had something to do with it.  When I was


> growing up, there were many "elders" in my family.
>
> I appreciate the rich colors of old - Victorian, Byzantine, "antiques" and
> the like.  I was an art student at our museum for many years, where ALL the
> styles were taught, but I kept returning to the historical colors... even
> the "Williamsburg" shades of paints at the hardware store are attractive to
> me! LOL
>
> I never could develop a taste for pastels (unless they were pastel crayons)
> and my mom decorated my room in those colors as often as she could - be
> feminine, she said, be ladylike, she said... pheh!  Queen Victoria was VERY
> ladylike (IMHO) and I would bet pastels weren't a part of her everyday
> scheme! <G>
>
> I like the blues, greens, golds, and deep reds to stitch with, and antique
> whites, creams, grays to stitch on.
>
> What a brilliant topic Lula!
>
> Sara
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> will happen to you the rest of the day.
> -- Dilbert "Laws of Work"
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>
> Lula wrote in message <351572...@earthlink.net>...

> >---
> >Lula
> >http://www.woolydream.com
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 well, I lost the post to the thread but when people do this 'animals don't
see,hear,feel,love, whatever.. because they have not communicated doing so to
us..
my question is: "is that because they CAN'T do it or make us understand, or
because they think we are too dumb to understand, so they don't TRY to
communicate it to us?" (my instructors don't like this question too much)

I believe my cat sees color just fine.. he will not nap on certain colors of
blankets or whatever on the couch in his favorite spot (or his second favorite,
my clothes if I lay anything down).. he doesn't care for pink but he loves
green (grass, maybe?) and purple.. I have a blanket with both pink and purple
and he CAREFULLY lays on the purple area...

and someone was talking about animal coloring? yes, as I understand it, you are
right, the females are dull because the predators can see the more brightly
colored males more easily...

interesting note: some years ago I read that bulls cannot see the red cape of
the bullfighter, that they are attracted to the fluttering movement,  that's
why the matador stands motionless and flutters the cape as the bull charges..

Dianne

stardust

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this brings to mind.. since we are exploring all sorts of avenues..
I have heard that tase preferences change, for some reason and average time frame of
7 years comes to mind..
do any of you have radical taste changes, beyond just growing out of phases?

When I was younger I hated salad dressing and loved mayonnaise.. no don't ask me
when it happened, but suddenly in my twenties I found myself switched.. now I can
hardly bear mayo and love salad dressing..
my addiction to sodas as a teen I chalk up to the adolescent sugar crazies  :-)

am I the only one?

Dianne

Teri Rasmussen George wrote:

> I've changed favorite colors too, but it seems to take many years for
> each change to occur.

  

> --

Dianne K.<star...@ipass.net>
"Crosstitchers are the ORIGINAL X-philes"- Dianne K.
North Carolina

Current project: "Lasting Love" - Dimensions
 


Kay Hahn

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OK, I'm hooked - why aren't there purple cats and does it work the same for
other mammals?

Kay at kh...@cas.org alias Kay the Terminally Curious

all usual disclaimers apply my .sig wants to know, too

In article <351833CA...@mail.utexas.edu>, Suz <Mou...@mail.utexas.edu>
writes:


|> Julia Hedberg wrote:
|> >
|> > i guess studies of the optical structure
|> > of domestic animals (i;e. dogs, cats, maybe farm animals?) indicate that
|> > they lack the physical apparatus to see color (is i cones or rods? i get
|> > them mixed up) which is i guess why we dont have purple cats.
|>

|> OK, this is horrible.. Right now in my Comparative Physiology class we
|> are discussing
|> vision,

<big snip>


|>
|> I could get into the coat color genetics of cats and tell you why we
|> don't
|> have purple cats, but I wont :)
|>

Nan

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stardust wrote:

> I have heard that tase preferences change, for some reason and average time frame of
> 7 years comes to mind..
> do any of you have radical taste changes, beyond just growing out of phases?

> am I the only one?

No, you are not the only one. I switched back and forth on liking bacon
two or three times during childhood. Unfortunately I ended up on the
"like" end of the seesaw. :-)

Barb & Rick

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On Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:19:40 -0500, Lula <wooly...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>I had an interesting thought about color today in an e-mail discussion
>with a friend.
>We were discussing working with complementary colors of which I happen
>to work with a lot. A monchromatic person I am not when it comes to
>working with color.
<snipped>

>Why you are drawn to certain colors and in consequence end up buying
>patterns that appeal to your inner senses featuring colors you like? Is
>it because you were always surrounded by certain colors? Or is something
>you've been influenced into liking by being exposed to it?
>Lula
>http://www.woolydream.com
>Needlework Adventures


My house is decorated in greys & blues. But I don't tend to lean to
those colours when I stitch... I love the mauves, teal, pinks, and
some shades of blues to stitch with... For example, I have been
working on Baroque by Jean Hilton and chose to stitch it in the
colours she did because I love the richness of the colours chosen,
complimented by the teals... As for my clothes, I do have a wide
assortment, but I tend to stay away from the beiges. I also stay away
from ecrus when I stitch too. I love colour and I love to experiment
with it too...

Barb Wilson
Crafting Buddies Coordinator
aka Ripit on #stitch
Calgary, Alberta CANADA
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Julia Hedberg

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>
> I could get into the coat color genetics of cats and tell you why we
> don't
> have purple cats, but I wont :)
>

> Ok, I'll stop now, I hope that wasn't too much :)


>
> Suz, the sometimes intelligent Zoology student.
>

> --
>
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actually i would love to know why we dont have purple cats!
julia
(what was horrible?)

Julia Hedberg

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> *sigh* But black is a lot more 'in' now than it was -- say -- 5 to 10
> years ago. Seems like a very high percentage of clothing is black
> now, and I'm getting really tired of it.

oh but i love it. i used to have a very limited selection of ready to wear
available.
julia

Julia Hedberg

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> Priceless!! He must have looked like some sort of prey.. what do iguanas
eat anyway? maybe
> Vermi thought he was a giant grasshopper or something..
>
> ::still laughing::
>
> Dianne
>
> Julia Hedberg wrote:
>
> > > >*terribly unfortunate story involving vermithrax, my father, and a
pair of
> > > >neon green swimming trunks....
>

> --
> Dianne K.<star...@ipass.net>
> "Crosstitchers are the ORIGINAL X-philes"- Dianne K.
> North Carolina


vermithrax never would eat bugs. he ate dog food and tofu for protein, and
a good assortment of veggies and fruit, and iguana kibble, and pop tarts
when he could get them. he was also a big fan of brightly coloured
breakfast cereal. he used to beg from the table.
(i didnt' encourage him to eat pop tarts and breakfast cereal--no reptile
nutrition flames please :). i had various roommates who spoiled him
dreadfully.)

Dawne Peterson

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My colour preferences have nothing to do with my childhood--I can remember
horrifying my mother by wanting to wear black, which she felt extremely
unsuitable for anyone under 21. Although our colouring is nothing alike,
she always dressed me in colours that looked good on her--so I was kind of
an accessory!! When colour-coding was popular, I found that her favourite
choice, peach, makes me look as if I am in the last stages of TB, and black,
strangely enough, is my most flattering shade. I love and wear ruby red and
purple, and love but rarely wear yellows. If I had free reign, my house
would my mostly yellows, pinks and strong apricot, probably because I look
at snow so much and feel cold so often!! I wear blue that is very greyed,
but like few others, and have no use at all for brown, beige, khaki etc.
I love colour, strong, bright, rich, saturated colour, for the most part,
but also interesting quirky combinations with an unexpected zing to them.
Lula, your colours are wonderful and you obviously have such pleasure with
them.
It is interesting that several people have mentioned designers or publishers
whose colours "suit" them. While I love TW's compositions, her colours have
always seemed too subtle or too "close" for me. The colours of Mirabilia
designs go straight to my heart--gorgeous. Candice Bahouth is another
designer whose colour sense works for me. Many Vanessa-Ann designs,
although the individual colours are more pastel than I would ordinarily
like, attract me because of the "odd" combinations they use.
Reading what everyone is writing, isn't it amazing how very personal our
colour sense is--and, because I can often admire colour harmonies that I
wouldn't choose for myself, how such individual tastes can result in so
many beautiful results
Dawne (in Saskatchewan where it is still grey and brown).

Julia Hedberg

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i wonder if taste in tastes and taste in color have anything to do with
each other? i dated someone who liked really bland food, and had no real
affinity for colors. dh never thought he liked bright colors and never
thought he liked spicy food, and now loves them both. i like dark and
jewel colors, and really saturated colors, and i love complex food flavors
and spicy food.
anybody else have something to throw in?

Suz

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Julia Hedberg wrote:
>
> actually i would love to know why we dont have purple cats!
> julia
> (what was horrible?)

Just remember, you asked for this!! :^)

I'll do this as short as I know how, and it probably will be
a little wrong, so please don't hurt me too much if I'm terribly
wrong. I learned this stuff a while ago, last year, and my
brain is still hurting after that chemistry test last night.
- If you want more, I can probably point to you a few
references (or sick a professor on you :) ).
Oh, and just to let you know, this is speculation, because
we've never seen purple cats, so this is my educated guess
(which should be pretty good at the price of education these days!).

Domestic cats are descended from a wild african cat (looks JUST
like an agouti tabby) and a european cat (once again, it looks
JUST like a tabby cat).
Over time they were selected to have the coloration they have,
so they only have a certain number of alleles to code for genes.

Their genetics have variations so that they can be:
white, black, agouti, brown, and orange.
Then there are genes for the type and color of their
striping/ patterns (A black cat is really a cat with a black
background and black stripes).
There's a gene that determines spots (whether a cat has
a LOT of white, or less than half the body).
And then there are modifier genes that ACT on the colored
genes (for example "dilute" on a black cat makes him grey).
Lots more genes.. but geneticists that study cat coat color
genes haven't found purple genes.
I doubt that there are proteins that make hair purple.

That genetic explanation concludes the mechanistic reason for
no purple kitties.

Here's the strategic version of mine.

Why there are no purple genes is _probably_ because of Natural
Selection.
Natural selection only cares about offspring: the individual with the
most number of genes contributed to the gene pool wins. A camouflaged
kitty would probably live longer and contribute more genes than a purple
kitty,
which could probably become lunch in a matter of moments :)

So my theory is that: A nice purple kitty would probably be an easier
target
for predators and over time, Natural selection selected for background
colors
(tans, browns, black) so they wouldn't be too noticeable to predators.

Of course, now, humans have been selecting colors and breeds for cats,
but
kitties don't have purple genes, so breeds are coming out in variations
of what colors are available.
It could happen through mutation maybe??? But there probably haven't
been
too many purple color mutation to play with :)
Although I DID see a pink (dusty rose really) cat once and it was COOL.

Disclaimer: this is just an answer worked out from what I've learned,
I've done no field experiments involving purple cats and how well they
would live in the wild :)

I think that this could make a cool thesis, ya think?
"the great hunt for the purple kitty cat"??
*giggle*

Suz "there coming to take me away hee hee ho ho ha ha" Mounsey.

PS. If you really want a purple kitty, you could always
dunk him in some grape kool-aid <VBG>

Tess Yancy

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My husband didn't want me to paint our master bath purple either but now he
loves it!

Pam P. <cpp...@dayworld.net.au> wrote in article
<351b4172...@loomi.telstra.net.au>...

Monique Reed

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Julia wanted to know:
>i wonder if taste in tastes and taste in color have anything to do with
>each other? i dated someone who liked really bland food, and had no real
>affinity for colors. dh never thought he liked bright colors and never
>thought he liked spicy food, and now loves them both. i like dark and
>jewel colors, and really saturated colors, and i love complex food flavors
>and spicy food.
>anybody else have something to throw in?
>julia

What food goes with blue? Hee hee hee

Colors I like to wear: khaki, olive, sage, forest, rose, teals, all the
shades of blue from DMC 322 to cobalt and navy, black, cream. This is what
looks good on me. (NO orange, purple, yellow, kelly; any cool pink, red or
blue is out!)

Colors I like to have around me in the house: green of plants, dark green,
blue and gold, rose, white, cream, and wood

Colors I'm attracted to: reds (red car, red tennies, red saucepan, red gloves,
etc.), teals, dark green, yellows, blues

Favorite foods: pastries, potatoes, pastas, salads, veggies, anything Greek or
Middle Eastern, comfort food like chicken and dumplings... Chocolate is
off-limits, or that would go to the head of the list.

Not sure the color choices have anything to do with the food choices-- other
than that I like to both look at veggies and eat them, and to make colorful
desserts on occasion...

Monique
trying to work, honestly, but the boss has the file I need!

Monique Reed

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Suz did a good job with the genetics. Maybe I can help with the other bits...

This goes back to the discussion about whether reptiles see in color and
which animals do or don't. Most mammals (except for some primates) don't see
color well or at all. Think about it--most mammals are pretty dull in color,
right? They either want to blend into their environment for protection or to
sneak up on prey. They have other ways of being conspicuous to mates. So
cats (active mostly in the dark hours when you can't see color anyway and
when it is better to have night vision than color vision (somewhat mutually
exclusive)) have little use for color. Purple would be wasted in or on a cat.
(But how beautiful a purple cat would be on a gold cushion!)

Also, the pigments (all or mostly melanin) in mammal hair and skin just don't
run to purple. Melanin gives us all the people colors as well--notice: no
purple people! (well, at least before tattooing.... :-D )

Monique

Cindy Brown

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ALL cats are purple. See it has to do with light reflection...

All objects absorb light. And they absorb the colors in the spectrum
that they like the best. The colors they DON'T want to be they reflect
back. That's the color you see.

So cats are purple and blue and green. Leaves and grass are red and
orange and violet.

It's all perfectly logical if you've had a drink or two...

--
Cindy Brown
Cross-stitcher, quilter, designer, and cat-lover

"My candle burns at both ends.
It will not last the night.
But ah, my foes and oh, my friends,
It gives a lovely light!"

- Edna St. Vincent Millay

Chris Braun

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On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:52:41 GMT, "Dawne Peterson"
<valk...@dlcwest.com> wrote:

>It is interesting that several people have mentioned designers or publishers
>whose colours "suit" them. While I love TW's compositions, her colours have
>always seemed too subtle or too "close" for me. The colours of Mirabilia
>designs go straight to my heart--gorgeous. Candice Bahouth is another
>designer whose colour sense works for me. Many Vanessa-Ann designs,
>although the individual colours are more pastel than I would ordinarily
>like, attract me because of the "odd" combinations they use.

I also like Mirabilia better than TW, and like a lot of the Vanessa-
Ann colors. I like pastels as well as the richer shades, but I also
like yellows, pinks, etc. Another designer whose colors I love
(though she's not really a needlework designer) is Mary Englebreit. I
can't get enough of her stuff!

Chris

don or louisa

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Just had to add that I have a chocolate persian, named PURPLE!!!!!

Which of course is my fav color!!

Louisa
aka Clell

Kristin

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One of my two last and very favorite kitties was definitely pink, all over,
fur and skin. To provide a little contrast, she had huge bright blue eyes.
Her name was Rosie, not because of her coloring (she started out all white),
but because she acted so much like a ditzy diner waitress. If we'd had
another one that stupid, she'd have probably been named Flo! Once Rosie
backed out of the litter box and right off our fourth floor balcony. She was
mostly unharmed, but she was furious with that litter box for weeks. (I
swear she thought it pushed her.)

Kristin
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Hank & Anne Reintges

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In article <351C151B...@mail.utexas.edu>,
mou...@mail.utexas.edu.nospam wrote:
>Lots more genes.. but geneticists that study cat coat color
>genes haven't found purple genes.

What about blue jeans? :-) Sorry, couldn't resist.


>That genetic explanation concludes the mechanistic reason for
>no purple kitties.

However there is a lilac point Siamese.

Anne/ NC (who knows a lilac point is not really a purple kitty and
that a blue cat is really gray)

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SDGodfrey

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For all U.S. readers:

Tune in to CBS at 5:30 pm today (Saturday) to see some 'Kentucky Blue' cats.

Sherri G., a University of Ky basketball fan
(sorry guys, I just couldn't resist! :-)


Ruth Anne Schroeder

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I think a design teacher, I had at colledge, said it best when
explaining how we feel about color.
If you were to go shopping and went by a rack of dresses you would buy
it if you really loved the color, even if it didn't fit perfectly. But
if it were a perfect fit and the wrong color you would not purchase it.
Any how I go fro color to color. Mostly I have a big attraction to
mauve's and disliked mostly yellows. I still have a thing for mauves
but ocassionally yellows are sneaking in. I had a thing for blues for
a long time. Recently I've taken to doing some patchwork. I been
really picking up some new colors and looking for contrast.

I don't think my husbands ready to throw everything out yet and start on
a new color pass through the house. (Which is mostly in mauve's) The
exceptions being (1) my sewing room which is a peachy pink and the spare
room that my stepson's use sometimes that is in beige, tan and navy (for
now).

Ruth Anne

ewm

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Does anybody remember the green kitten, born in England, that was on TV
a couple of years ago?

Emily

Karen T

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OK, you got me. I really like it, too. When I was about 10 my best
friend had her room redone, and the carpet was forest green, and the
walls were pale purple, not really lavendar. Her bedspreads and
curtains were white with violets or lilacs on them (can't remember
exactly). I *loved* that room, especially compared to mine, which was
yellow and avocado green (this was the 70's!).
Karen

On Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:33:33 GMT, fil...@slip.net (Tama Filipas)
wrote:

>Anne, I'm with you on the green/purple issue! *Love* that combination,
>but it's got to be just the right intensities of each. Green's been my
>favorite color for years....bright green, forest green, grass green,
>spring green, and come to think of it my DD's chartreuse sweats don't
>make my fillings hurt nearly as much as they used to. Perhaps a group
>appointment at the psychoanalyst is in order. How about it? Any more
>green/purple fans out there?
>
>Tama (who has, just this morning, adjusted her e-mail address so folks
>can reach me easier now)
>
>"AnneS" <an...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>
>>Oh no, I think I need to be psycho-analysed!! As a child I always
>>used to put green and purple together in people's outfits, and I still
>>quite like the clashing colours (although I'd never actually wear it
>>myself!), and my favourite flower bouquet of all time is to have red
>>and yellow roses together in the same vase. I find the blend so
>>vibrant and cheery, it never fails to lift my mood. Oh well, there's
>>always one in every group! ;-))
>>
>>Personally I've always been drawn to the brighter spectrum of colours
>>- primaries, turquoise, teals, yellows etc. I never used to wear them
>>because of being large and my mother always used to say it would
>>emphasise my size. After having my 'colours done' a few years ago,
>>I found out I was classes as a Spring person, and really suit all those
>>bright colours - yippee! Rather than making me look worse, those
>>colours really complement me and other people have noticed this and
>>commented. Hence my wardrobe that used to be mostly autumn colours
>>is now gradually being upgraded by nice clear brights.
>>
>>I have to admit that XS charts with bright colours jump out at me and say
>>'take me home', but that alone doesn't make me buy it - I need to really
>>like the topic as well. Also I still buy pastels (albeit VERY
>>occasionally),
>>but love the bright blues and yellows - why aren't there more Mediterranean
>>style charts with those wonderful terracotta colours, and Greek blues? :-)
>>Cheers,
>>Anne
>>-----
>
>
>
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>>>
>>
>
>
>remove nospam from address to reply
>


Kotchka

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Dawne Peterson <valk...@dlcwest.com> wrote in article
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<snip>

|The colours of Mirabilia
| designs go straight to my heart--gorgeous.
<snip>

| Dawne (in Saskatchewan where it is still grey and brown).
|
|
|
I think it was the bright vibrant purples in Garden Verses (which I still
haven't stitched) which made a big Mirabilia fan of me. It was so nice to
see someone actually using some of the brighter colors.

As for me -- I tend towards pinks (bright, clear pinks with maybe an edge
towrds the purple...), purples, blues and greens.

I find it difficult sometimes to find a good red, and yellows are not my
color at all.

Around the house I announced that we were going to begin color coding
things.. anything pink in the house was mine and the kids were to keep
hands off. (It has worked for the oldest -- I think the bright colors
attract the little guy though. <sigh>)

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Kotchka

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Onions. I started really liking them when I was pregnant with my third.
During the pregnancy with my second, I was really upset about the onions on
my sandwich one night.

--
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stardust <star...@ipass.net> wrote in article
<351A715C...@ipass.net>...


| this brings to mind.. since we are exploring all sorts of avenues..

| I have heard that tase preferences change, for some reason and average
time frame of
| 7 years comes to mind..
| do any of you have radical taste changes, beyond just growing out of
phases?
|

| When I was younger I hated salad dressing and loved mayonnaise.. no don't
ask me
| when it happened, but suddenly in my twenties I found myself switched..
now I can
| hardly bear mayo and love salad dressing..
| my addiction to sodas as a teen I chalk up to the adolescent sugar
crazies  :-)
|

| am I the only one?
|

| Dianne
|
| Teri Rasmussen George wrote:
|
| > I've changed favorite colors too, but it seems to take many years for
| > each change to occur.
|
|   
|

| > --
|
| Dianne K.<star...@ipass.net>
| "Crosstitchers are the ORIGINAL X-philes"- Dianne K.
| North Carolina

Julia Hedberg

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> What food goes with blue? Hee hee hee
>


blue pancakes, scrambled eggs, rice or soup! (ivy's favorite color is
blue, and thinks it is a hoot to respond with "blue!" when asked what she
wants for lunch...so, i sometimes make her blue food. wow does she think
that is funny.
two year old humor.

Julia Hedberg

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>
> PS. If you really want a purple kitty, you could always
> dunk him in some grape kool-aid <VBG>
>

we did dye our maltese once, with leftover egg dye, and before anyone
yells at me we were all rather young at the time and gosh was my mom mad.
julia

egg dye lasts quite a while on fur, by the way.

Julia Hedberg

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oh oh oh! i saw that! it looked sort of mossy or something, but definitely
green.
julia

Mays

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We never did have any purple cats, but the neighbors got chickens for
Easter one year- one was dyed pink and the other one purple. As they
grew, most of the dyed feathers fell out, leaving only a sort of
mohawk hairdo on top. We had a large red cat that was always trying
to get birds (trying, and failing mostly). One day he was napping in
the back yard when the two now fryer-sized naked with colored topknot
chickens walked past him. Puddy looked at them, closed his eyes,
opened them and looked again, and then got up shaking his head. He
loved chicken, but this sight was too much for even him. The chickens
never did grow any feathers....
Ruth Mays
Cinnaminson NJ
maysrg at mosquito dot com
If you want to reply, you know what to do with this.

Kristin

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Haven't seen anyone mention Kansas State University yet. They are wildcats,
and they are purple. Does that count? (Of course, having grown up in
Lawrence, KS, which is home to the Jayhawks at University of Kansas, I am
also required to point out that all K-State fans are Commies!!)

Kristin
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Julia Hedberg wrote in message ...

>
>>
>> PS. If you really want a purple kitty, you could always
>> dunk him in some grape kool-aid <VBG>
>>
>we did dye our maltese once, with leftover egg dye, and before anyone
>yells at me we were all rather young at the time and gosh was my mom mad.
>julia
>
>egg dye lasts quite a while on fur, by the way.
>

Chris C.

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Karen T wrote:
>
> OK, you got me. I really like it, too. When I was about 10 my best
> friend had her room redone, and the carpet was forest green, and the
> walls were pale purple, not really lavendar. Her bedspreads and
> curtains were white with violets or lilacs on them (can't remember
> exactly). I *loved* that room, especially compared to mine, which was
> yellow and avocado green (this was the 70's!).
> Karen
>

You just decribed my room when I was about 11 or 12 in the same decade.
I still have the UFO pillow I was going to embroider to match the
bedspread.

Chris

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MDunajski

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Well, it seems that since elementary school (and I've already attended my 20th
high school reunion) that I have loved lavender and purple - in everything. I
currently own and am quite proud of my purple cell phone, my purple cowboy
boots (and matching jeans), my 3 purple/lavender bathrobes, my lavender
umbrella, my purple backpack, several purple and lavender business suits -
including matching pumps, all sorts of needlework done in shades of purples and
lavenders and the spare bathroom in lavender too!! ( I draw the line however
at the lavender and purple cars - my grey truck is just fine with me)
Although I love my Siamese cat, Tao, I do think he would look fab as a
purple-point instead of seal point!
I've found that I look good in "winter" colors- jewel tones and also wear a lot
of black, green and blue - never browns, beiges. I even painted most of the
rooms in my house greens and blues and even had teal carpeting in the last
house.
Have found myself drawn to the same colors in needlework too - interesting to
read how we're all the same and different too!!!

red-nancy

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I too love all shades of purple. As a redhead I shied away from these
colors until about 5 years ago when my best friend insisted I try on a
purple silk dress at Lord & Taylor. It became my best color!
BTW, when my husband & I bowled in a mixed doubles league I explained to
him that I would bowl better if I had a purple bowling ball.
--
Nancy in Fairfax, VA
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Lula

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Hi Nancy,

I think that's cute! A purple bowling ball to match your color
preferences!
As another bowler, I've never had a bowling ball to match the colors I
like!

The closest I came to getting something to do with bowling and cross
stitch was when I bowled a 277 game in a league and one of the rewards
was being presented with a XS'ed hand towel --- a pre-made stitching
band on a towel to be stitched frame by frame (box scores) with the
(strike) X's and little bowling pin motifs!!
I asked that mine be stitched on a blue towel!

Writing about bowling. I was bowling in a tough scratch tournament this
past Sat along with my needlepoint project! I stitched while waiting and
managed to get a few inches done!
---
Lula
http://www.woolydream.com
Needlework Adventures

mach5engine

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Julia Hedberg wrote in message ...
>

>> What food goes with blue? Hee hee hee
>>

Im glad to see that someone else has to plan meals around a color scheme! I
thought I was the only one. Everything has to be pink in our house. At
least pink food is easier to find than blue.

Karen

Stephenie Labovitz

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Monique Reed wrote:
>
> What food goes with blue? Hee hee hee
>

Blueberry crepes!!! Yum.... yum. or Blue Moon icecream. Or the new
blue jello.

:-)

-Stephenie

Julia Hedberg

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In article <RnAU.5879$lJ5.2...@news.internetMCI.com>, "mach5engine"
<mach5...@MCIONE.com> wrote:

> Julia Hedberg wrote in message ...
> >

> >> What food goes with blue? Hee hee hee
> >>

> Im glad to see that someone else has to plan meals around a color scheme! I
> thought I was the only one. Everything has to be pink in our house. At
> least pink food is easier to find than blue.
>
> Karen

ivy doesnt' know about food coloring. i guess she thinks i wave my magic
mom wand over the food and poof it is blue.
julia

kattail

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Anybody remember not long ago when Martha Stewart was pushing
blue potatoes?? :-D~
Karen
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
Say yes to experiences, to surprise, to serendipity.
....Thomas Kinkade
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Stephenie Labovitz <labo...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote in article
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> Monique Reed wrote:
> >
> > What food goes with blue? Hee hee hee
> >
>

Michele Rothenberger

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Let's not forget the new blue M&Ms!!!


> > > What food goes with blue? Hee hee hee

> blue potatoes?? :-D~

Rotaub

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>
>Anybody remember not long ago when Martha Stewart was pushing
>blue potatoes?? :-D~
>Karen

This reminds me of a funny story. We were eating in a French Restuarant in NYC
many years ago and were seated next to a pair of men who were definately not
into gourmet food. One of the specialities of the house was a spinach souffle
and it came as a side dish with the dinner of one of these men. He tasted it
and turned to his companion and said, "You really should try these green mashed
potatoes."
Unfortunately after hearing this we were tuned in to much of what they said and
did and had trouble not laughing when after sharing 3 entrees and 2 desserts
one turned to the other and said, "Lets go around the corner and get a
hamburger to fill us up."

Rosemary

Kotchka

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Blue potatoes are great, so are the yellow ones... hmmm time to se if the
two mixed will be green...

--
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WE are the music makers
and
WE are the dreamers of dreams
-- William Edgar O'Shaughnessy, by way of Willy Wonka
(Thanks to Nan for the correction)

kattail <kat...@silverlink.net> wrote in article
<01bd5f92$3d25e700$33aa14d1@lisiknar>...


| Anybody remember not long ago when Martha Stewart was pushing
| blue potatoes?? :-D~
| Karen

| ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
| Say yes to experiences, to surprise, to serendipity.
| ....Thomas Kinkade
| ^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
|
| Stephenie Labovitz <labo...@pilot.msu.edu> wrote in article
| <3523BE...@pilot.msu.edu>...
| > Monique Reed wrote:
| > >

| > > What food goes with blue? Hee hee hee
| > >
| >

| > Blueberry crepes!!! Yum.... yum. or Blue Moon icecream. Or the
| new
| > blue jello.
| >

| > :-)
| >
| > -Stephenie
| >
|

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