Paternayan yarn numbers

elderberry22

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Sep 2, 2006, 5:11:24 PM9/2/06

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Hi, I am thinking about making the pattern "Tinkle, a Cat" from the
book by Brande Ormond, _American Primitives in Needlepoint_. But when
I look at the Paternayan yarn numbers, they are so different! This
calls for quite a lot of Dark Red #201, but when I look at color
charts, 201 is quite a shade of grey! Is there any way to convert
these numbers? I have googled it and had no luck at all.

bungadora

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Sep 2, 2006, 5:57:38 PM9/2/06

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You aren't mixing up Paterna and Paternayan are you? One's British, the
other American. Most of the colors are the same, but some are
different.
Dora

elderberry22

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Sep 2, 2006, 6:17:55 PM9/2/06

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It's an American book & I'm _pretty_ sure it says Paternayan for the
yarn. Will check.
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Yes, Paternayan. but like I said, when I look at the color charts
online, some of the colors aren't even there, and the ones that are,
are just different. Gray, instead of red. that kind of thing.

Brenda Lewis

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Sep 2, 2006, 6:26:38 PM9/2/06

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Perhaps the publisher mixed the lines up somehow. Might be worth
checking out a Paterna color chart just in case.

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bungadora

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Sep 2, 2006, 6:32:02 PM9/2/06

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I did a bit more research.
Your book was published in 1977. Paternayan colors changed some time in
the 1980's I think, so you should be looking for a conversion chart of
the old to new Paternayan colors. From what I've read the company never
issued a conversion chart although I think there were conversion charts
published by other parties. Some magazine called Needlepoint News
published one, according to a google of this group.
Dora

bungadora

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Sep 2, 2006, 7:04:47 PM9/2/06

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As a followup, the only reference I have been able to find to a
conversion chart was Needlepoint News, March-April 1982. Otherwise a
google search suggested contacting JCA. Their website is
http://www.jcacrafts.com/index.php/

I think I'll do some needlepoint now.
Dora

elderberry22

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Sep 3, 2006, 9:39:28 AM9/3/06

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Thank you VERY MUCH. I was able to buy a copy of this magazine on
eBay. Now if I can just figure out how much yarn, I will be set.

bungadora

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Sep 3, 2006, 11:04:38 AM9/3/06

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Glad to help. I might contact JCA myself, just to find out whether
they ever produced their own conversion chart. Some of the comments on
google seemed to indicate that they did not. Kind of odd it isn't
easier to find.

Dora
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ellis...@hotmail.com

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Sep 5, 2006, 3:59:08 PM9/5/06

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bungadora wrote:
> Glad to help. I might contact JCA myself, just to find out whether
> they ever produced their own conversion chart.

I have a paper chart of the US Paternayan yarns dated about 1990. The
back page has the conversion from OLD Paternayan to NEW Paternayan.
This paper chart is not handy or I would scan it and email the scan.
But it did originate with JCA.

And the difference between US Paternayan and UK Paterna is that some of
those lovely colours that used to be available in the US are still
available in the UK. The UK have different numbers and no comparison
is perfect--I got a shade card from Sew Exciting in the UK for a
reasonable sum.

Good luck with the needlework--Irene

Susanne Hackbarth

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Sep 6, 2006, 9:33:11 AM9/6/06

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What luck! I was hoping to find someone on this newsgroup that might know if
these Paternayan numbers have changed. I was looking for #520, for an OLD
1976 project I am working on. No. 520 is a Teal Blue shade now and the color
I need is green, which looks like #630. Thank you! This project is one of
3 President's wives; Martha Washington, Julia Tyler and Sara Jackson, from a
McCall's magazine.

Susanne

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bungadora

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Sep 6, 2006, 9:45:51 AM9/6/06

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The dolls? I remember that one.
Dora

Susanne Hackbarth

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Sep 6, 2006, 10:28:25 AM9/6/06

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"bungadora" <bung...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> The dolls? I remember that one.
> Dora
>

Yes, to the Dolls, what a good memory! I wish I had all three finished
after all these years. I only have a few rows of the green at the very
bottom to finish, and then the braid wrapped around the top of her head. I
just noticed the top of her head should have been done in continental
stitch. Maybe when it is washed and blocked it won't be distorted? I might
just frame this rather than make the doll.

Susanne

bungadora

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Sep 6, 2006, 3:08:31 PM9/6/06

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Ah well. A bit of distortion is almost a given with continental. I
think the degree depends on the quality of the canvas and the frame.
Long stitch is nice that way. Almost no distortion.

I always wondered how well those dolls would stand up as a 3D. McCalls
used to publish and re-publish patterns later in special editions, and
I think that is where I have that pattern. I'll have to take a look
later to see if I still have it, or whether I disposed of it in one of
my ruthless cleaning streaks.
Dora
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elderberry22

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Sep 10, 2006, 10:55:47 AM9/10/06

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Got my magazine. Old 520= New 611. Hope this helps.

Susanne Hackbarth

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Sep 11, 2006, 10:16:58 AM9/11/06

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> > Yes, to the Dolls, what a good memory! I wish I had all three finished
> > after all these years. I only have a few rows of the green at the very
> > bottom to finish, and then the braid wrapped around the top of her head.
> > I
> > just noticed the top of her head should have been done in continental
> > stitch. Maybe when it is washed and blocked it won't be distorted? I
> > might
> > just frame this rather than make the doll.

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>
> Got my magazine. Old 520= New 611. Hope this helps.
>

Dora: THANK YOU very much. That helps a lot! I just checked a website
http://www.discountneedlework.com/paternayan_yarn.aspx . I have been trying
different kinds of green yarn, but haven't liked the results. Would you mind
checking the #104-Brown to see what number it has changed to. Then I will
call and order these. Two Emb. shops in this town and neither one has
Paternayan yarn.

Thank you again for your help, Susanne

bungadora

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Sep 11, 2006, 11:24:15 AM9/11/06

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Nope, not me. Elderberry just got her magazine from E-bay and she
checked it for you, nice lady.
I took a look at the pattern though very cute, although my copy has the
old numbers.
Dora

elderberry22

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Sep 15, 2006, 7:05:55 AM9/15/06

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Old 104 = New 440.

smj

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Sep 15, 2006, 4:38:08 PM9/15/06

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I have a Paternayan card that has samples of each color and a
conversion chart for Elsa Williams Tapestry yarn. By checking the
earlier messages, I see that it has the newer color numbers. The card
has five pages of samples and folds in on itself to protect the yarn -
all 405 small samples.

Because I have a number of early 1970s books, particularly bargello
ones, I would like to obtain a copy of the Paternayan conversion chart.
Would anyone who has it be willing to scan it? Or if you would send
me a scan or copy, I would create an Excel spreadsheet that has the
conversions and send it to anyone who wanted it.

Thanks in advance,
Susan in Seattle

bungadora

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Sep 15, 2006, 6:48:02 PM9/15/06

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I tried writing JCA about a week ago and haven't had an answer yet on
whether they still have a chart available or not. If I don't hear back
from them next week, I'll try writing again. If not, and if you succeed
in your enterprise I'd like to have a copy.

I also have a few 1970's patterns I wouldn't mind decoding,
particularly a book on Persian rug designs. Mind you, if I haven't been
able to get around to them after nearly 30 years there's a good chance
I never will.

Dora

elderberry22

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Sep 16, 2006, 1:52:30 PM9/16/06

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bungadora wrote:
> I tried writing JCA about a week ago and haven't had an answer yet on
> whether they still have a chart available or not. If I don't hear back
> from them next week, I'll try writing again. If not, and if you succeed
> in your enterprise I'd like to have a copy.
>
> I also have a few 1970's patterns I wouldn't mind decoding,
> particularly a book on Persian rug designs. Mind you, if I haven't been
> able to get around to them after nearly 30 years there's a good chance
> I never will.
>
> Dora
>
> smj wrote:
> > I have a Paternayan card that has samples of each color and a
> > conversion chart for Elsa Williams Tapestry yarn. By checking the
> > earlier messages, I see that it has the newer color numbers. The card
> > has five pages of samples and folds in on itself to protect the yarn -
> > all 405 small samples.
> >

I don't have a scanner, but I can just type them in a few at a time &
hope for not too many typos!

Old=New
001=260
005=261
010=262
011-256
012-263
014-327
015-756
017-246
020-465
025-462
026-948
032-236
040-716
050-220

And that is all the zeros. Will try to do more later.

Karen Dixon, Millennia Designs

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Sep 17, 2006, 3:52:38 AM9/17/06

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I am afraid UK Paterna is no more. The Craft Collection who
manufactured it under license gave up earlier in the year. UK stitchers
will have to swap to imported US Paternayan.

It is not all doom and gloom though. The US range has shades not in the
UK range, many of which are very similar to the old UK 'D' numbers. We
manufacture a range of kits using Paterna, including Jill Gordon's
designs, so we have just had a major exercise to swap over!

Cheers,

Karen Dixon
www.millennia-designs.com

smj

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Sep 17, 2006, 1:30:17 PM9/17/06

carolj...@gmail.com

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Oct 13, 2017, 1:58:59 PM10/13/17

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Thank you so much for doing this. I too have been in touch with Saco Dye in Maine, who took over from JCA, without any success. Pure fluke that I came across this Google forum with these 11 year old posts, but I am very happy to have this information.

butchy0

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Apr 26, 2018, 11:44:04 PM4/26/18

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replying to elderberry22, butchy0 wrote:

I know this thread is 12 years old, but I was hoping it was still active
somehow. Elderberry22 was kindling listing the conversion chart number of old
to new Paternayan yarn colors, but the listing stops with old 430, and the old
numbering system kept going up from there. Was the rest of the conversion
numbers ever listed?

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breezy...@gmail.com

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Oct 18, 2018, 2:29:23 AM10/18/18

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There is a chart listed on Ebay on heavy card stock. Seller: Centuries of Threads