DMC vs Silks
Eighteggs
neat to do it all in silk thread, considering the occasion. Is silk
terribly different than DMC to work with? Any input?
Dianne Lewandowski
I have used Au Ver a Soie (both Kreinik and Soie D'Alger) and Madeira
silk floss for surface embroidery. They are no more difficult than DMC -
imparting a lustrous shine. In fact, they seem to be stronger. One
caution: if soiled, they are difficult to get clean, unlike cotton
threads. Although I've never used them on cross stitch, many designers
do. I feel you would really like the results.
Dianne
dcha...@cei.net
find that one strand works well on 32 ct. linen over 2. There is a
Japanese silk distributed by Kay Montclare that I haven't tried as yet.
Its claim to fame is that it's colorfast, however, I have had no problem
washing my silk samplers with mild soap.
Stitchers Source
> I have used Au Ver a Soie (both Kreinik and Soie D'Alger)
Soie d' Alger is Au Ver a Soie which is labelled under the Kreinik name :-)
Lesa
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Whisper
udder cream on my hands a lot to keep them soft. Also if you are using
more than one strand you should always make sure the nap is going in the
same direction. Hope this helps you.
Vicki Weatherby
Whisper
Dianne Lewandowski
>
> Dianne Lewandowski wrote:
>
> > I have used Au Ver a Soie (both Kreinik and Soie D'Alger)
>
> Soie d' Alger is Au Ver a Soie which is labelled under the Kreinik name :-)
>
> Lesa
>
threads? I have one here labeled Kreinik which is in a tied skein
wrapped with bands like DMC floss, and one in a plastic bag marked
D'Alger and no other marking, which my supplier insists is different
threads? They do not look the same nor feel the same.
DANCINGNDL
writes:
>Stitchers Source wrote:
>> Soie d' Alger is Au Ver a Soie which is labelled under the Kreinik name
:-)
>>
>-Then are you telling me Kreinik has two different assortments of silk
>threads? I have one here labeled Kreinik which is in a tied skein
>wrapped with bands like DMC floss, and one in a plastic bag marked
>D'Alger and no other marking, which my supplier insists is different
>threads? They do not look the same nor feel the same.
>
They are two different threads. Your supplier is correct. Soie d' Alger
not the silk sold under the Kreinik name, but Kreinik is one of the US
distributors for the line. Last year Kreinik began marketing a second
silk line under the Kreinik name.
Lori Bell - Dancing Needle Designs
danci...@aol.com
Lesa Steele
Thanks for asking Dianne--I needed to post on this sub anyhow---
> > --Then are you telling me Kreinik has two different assortments of silk
> threads? I have one here labeled Kreinik which is in a tied skein
> wrapped with bands like DMC floss, and one in a plastic bag marked
> D'Alger and no other marking, which my supplier insists is different
> threads? They do not look the same nor feel the same.
I received an email on Fri stating that I was "wrong again" about my information and it was
suggested I contact Kreiniks customer service. I decided instead to contact Doug Kreinik.
Doug stated that Kreinik purchases Au ver a Soie from a supplier in France. It is then shipped
to the Kreinik manufacturing plant. Kreink then cuts and skein at their facility. It is labeled
as Soie d Alger. They did label it Au ver a Soie Soie d Alger years ago. They now label it Soie
d Alger (and have for years).
Kreinik also has the following silk yarns: Perlee, Gobelin, Soie Platte, Soie Noppee, Ping Ling,
Silk Mori and Silk Serica. These are all exclusive Kreinik yarns.
The skein you are referring to Dianne is called a "mini skein". It is 5m (5.5yds) of silk
heaven! If the one in the bag is labelled as Kreinik Soie d Alger than the shopowner has
probably purchased a larger skein or cone and cuts them at the shop. However, if they look and
feel different I have no explaination. Perhaps you might want to address Kreinik with this. How
is it they are different---color, ply, sheen, twist,?? Does one color match up with the other
color number as far as color goes (i.e. if you hold the bag and the skein of the same color #
next to each other to they compare?).
SamplerLvr
> > --Then are you telling me Kreinik has two different assortments of
silk
> threads? I have one here labeled Kreinik which is in a tied skein
> wrapped with bands like DMC floss, and one in a plastic bag marked
> D'Alger and no other marking, which my supplier insists is different
> threads? They do not look the same nor feel the same.
>>Doug stated that Kreinik purchases Au ver a Soie from a supplier in
France. It >>is then shipped
>>to the Kreinik manufacturing plant. Kreink then cuts and skein at their
facility. >>It is labeled
>>as Soie d Alger. They did label it Au ver a Soie Soie d Alger years
ago. They >>now label it Soie
>>d Alger (and have for years).
Hmmm... I have always been under the impression that Au Ver A Soie is a
name given to specify a particular type of Soie d'Alger yarn. I know that
Kreinik has been selling Au Ver A Soie for many years, but I have recently
seen Au Ver A Soie packaged in little bags and it's not marked Krienik at
all. Is it still Au Ver A Soie? Does anybody know about this?
Bekki
Sampl...@aol.com
Dianne Lewandowski
Au Ver a Soie means: "At the silk worm"
It is a distributor of silk yarns (threads) located in Paris, France.
Soie D'Alger designates a type of floss: namely pure silk spun
embroidery yarn - 7 ply.
Access Commodities in Texas distributes from Au Ver a Soie in France.
There's is the new brand of silk that I am currently using. It is nicer
than Kreinik's. The dyes are NOT the same, and the loft and strength are
better.
Noted designer and authority on silk gauze: Maureen Appleton, uses the
floss from Access Commodities.
Due to a recent flap concerning Kreinik regarding gauze looms being
destroyed (they were and are NOT) - I doubt that I would trust implicitly
whatever information Kreinik might wish to offer.
I am merely posting what I have learned to this date. Fun, isn't it?
Dianne :)
Lesa Steele
> >-Then are you telling me Kreinik has two different assortments of silk
> >threads? I have one here labeled Kreinik which is in a tied skein
> >wrapped with bands like DMC floss, and one in a plastic bag marked
> >D'Alger and no other marking, which my supplier insists is different
> >threads? They do not look the same nor feel the same.
> >
> not the silk sold under the Kreinik name, but Kreinik is one of the US
> distributors for the line. Last year Kreinik began marketing a second
> silk line under the Kreinik name.
Kreinik sells several lines of silk (listed in a previous post). There were *two* new
silks introduced last year--silk serica and silk mori. Kreinik currently offers *eight* types of
silk (as well as silk couching thread and silk organzine).
Soie Noppee and Silk Mori are both sold as skeins. Silk Serica and Silk Mori are only available
in skeins ; shopowners cannot purchase cones or large hanks and cut these up. Soie Perlee, Soie
Gobelin, Soie Platte, and Soie Noppee can be purchased on a cone or large hank. The shopowner can
cut these into smaller amounts for resell.
Soie Perlee, Soie Gobelin, Soie Platte, Ping Ling and Silk Serica are sold on reels (unless the
shopowners has purchased the larger quantity to cut and repackage).
Patricia Timpanaro
SamplerLvr <sampl...@aol.com> wrote:
>Hmmm... I have always been under the impression that Au Ver A Soie is a
>name given to specify a particular type of Soie d'Alger yarn. I know that
>Kreinik has been selling Au Ver A Soie for many years, but I have recently
>seen Au Ver A Soie packaged in little bags and it's not marked Krienik at
>all. Is it still Au Ver A Soie? Does anybody know about this?
Au Ver A Soie is the name of the company (like DMC). Soie d'Alger is
the name of the 7-strand twisted silk. Some of the other threads that
Lesa mentioned (Soie Noppee, Soie Gobelin, and Soie Perlee) are also
manufacturerd by Au Ver A Soie, but are different kinds of threads.
Soie Noppee is a thick, untwisted silk. Soie Gobelin and Soie Perlee
are tightly twisted silks, one (I forget which) is about the same
thickness as #8 pearl cotton, the other is close to #12 pearl. Two of
the silks Lesa named (Soie Serica and one whose name I can't remember
and this portion of her message wasn't included in the one to which I'm
responding) are not made by Au Ver A Soie.
Recently (for about a year, I think) Access Commodities has also been
importing and distributing Au Ver A Soie threads. This MAY have been
what you saw in little bags.
Pat Timpanaro
Neon Flamingo Designs
neon...@crl.com
Beverly W. Shimada
<big snip>
> Kreinik also has the following silk yarns: Perlee, Gobelin,
> Soie Platte, Soie Noppee, Ping Ling, Silk Mori and Silk Serica. These
> are all exclusive Kreinik yarns.
<another big snip>
I'm working on my first project with Soie d'Alger and Soie Gobelin, and
finding it quite fun. But I'm curious about the differences in all these
fibers. Maybe Doug could post a brief description? (I think he's on
here sometimes?)
Beverly
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Department of Civil Engineering and Operations Research
Princeton University Princeton, New Jersey, USA
Lesa Steele
> Hmmm... I have always been under the impression that Au Ver A Soie is a
> name given to specify a particular type of Soie d'Alger yarn. I know that
> Kreinik has been selling Au Ver A Soie for many years, but I have recently
> seen Au Ver A Soie packaged in little bags and it's not marked Krienik at
> all. Is it still Au Ver A Soie? Does anybody know about this?
Sure it is Bekki! It's being purchased either from a different source than Kreinik (Access Commodities is the
other US distributor). One distributor certainly doesnt want to mark a bag with the others' name. AC just
started distributing the thread recently (last year) and I don't *think* they have the rights yet to place
their own name on the label (or bag).
DANCINGNDL
<stitc...@earthlink.net> writes:
>Kreinik sells several lines of silk (listed in a previous post). There
were
>*two* new
>silks introduced last year--silk serica and silk mori. Kreinik currently
>offers *eight* types of
>silk (as well as silk couching thread and silk organzine).
>
Sorry for the confusion. I was using the term "line" differently. I was
referring to all of the Au Ver A Soie products as one line and the
Kreinik silks introduced last year as the second.
big snip about packaging.
> (unless the shopowners has purchased the larger quantity to cut and
repackage).
Access Commodities also distributes Au Ver A Soie's Soie d'Alger. They
come in an eight meter skein and are packaged in small bags. I'm sure
this is also adding to the confusion.
Lesa Steele
Hi Dianne,
We have faxed this to Doug (Kreinik) and either he or Jacklyn will probably be responding. Watch for it soon.
Perhaps you could interest Access in responding as well????
DANCINGNDL
>Hmmm... I have always been under the impression that Au Ver A Soie is a
>name given to specify a particular type of Soie d'Alger yarn. I know
that
>Kreinik has been selling Au Ver A Soie for many years, but I have
recently
>seen Au Ver A Soie packaged in little bags and it's not marked Krienik at
>all. Is it still Au Ver A Soie? Does anybody know about this?
>
>
The Soie d'Alger sold in the little bags is distributed by Access
Commodities, the same folks who distribuite all of those cool little
gemstone attachments. BTW Access is the only US distributor to import
the entire Soie d'Alger color range of 576 colors. :-) !!
