Dowsing

[Steve B]

Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXNIww7T0&feature=feedu

Simple as shit. Works for me.

Steve

[Paul Drahn]

Nice looking place, Steve!

Yup, it works.

I didn't believe until one day many years ago, when I was in college and
living one semester on a dairy farm and feeding cows for room and board.

The farm house water supply was a spring on the other side of a hill
from the house. A siphon was used to bring water to the house. One day
the water stopped. It had happened before, pipe rusted and a pin hole
let air in and stopped the siphon.

They called a neighbor who said he could find the pipe. He used two
brazing rods bent like you showed in the video. He asked me if I
believed he could witch the water pipe and of course I said "NO". So he
had me go down the hill and turn my back.

He witched and marked the pipe for the farmer and his son. Then he had
me come back up and explained the use of the bent wires. I walked across
the top of the hill and sure enough, the wires crossed. Then he said to
look at the house and at the grove of trees when the spring was located.
We were exactly in line between the two.

They commenced to dig up the pipe until they found the hole and patched
it. I don't recall just how they reestablished the siphon, but they did
and the house had water, again.

I have been a believer ever since!

Paul

[Karl Townsend]

On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:39:30 -0800, "Steve B" <ste...@gmail.com>
wrote:

My story: I hired Claton Madson to dowse my irriation well in 1979. He
said to put it 200 yards from my barn and electric service. Big
expense for pipe and electric and i only got 40 GPM. he said no good
water near the barn and electric. That's NOT enough water to irrigate
an orchard.

A few years later, Claton had passed on, and i told Ken (his son) to
drill right off the corner of the barn, right by the power line. we
got 1000 GPM plus, he didn't have equipment to test how high it would
really go.

I'm not a fan of dowsing after this.

Karl

[Steve B]

"Karl Townsend" <karltown...@embarqmail.com> wrote in message
news:1bo3c7df0jsjt3178...@4ax.com...

We seem to have gotten off track here. What I demonstrated was how to find
a pipe or a cable. Dowsing for a water source is something entirely
different, and I do not do that. THIS IS FOR FINDING A CABLE OR PIPE ONLY.

Steve

[Jon Anderson]

A couple friends and I tried this years ago in a school field. I gave it
a go wanting to believe, but frankly skeptical that I could do it.
But I nailed the water pipes for the sprinkler system with ease. Amazed me!

I've read that real dowsers can find water and more. Near 30 years ago,
I'd read some books on treasure hunting, and living in the Gold Country,
was always looking with my metal detector. While studying sign language,
I became friends with an elderly deaf couple. One day, Art was telling
me about having a dowser locate a spot to drill his well.
While working the property, he stopped at one point and and told Art
that there was a decent mass of metal buried about 20' down.

I recalled reading about the gold rush ear bandit, Rattlesnake Dick, who
is supposed to have stashed some $40k (face value) gold and silver coins
just outside Nevada City. My friends lived just outside Nevada City. I
could never convince him to let me dig up this unknown mass of
metal. They've passed on, and I'm sure the new owners would either have
no interest in me digging either, or feign lack of interest, then start
looking on their own. Oh well...


Jon

[mike]

Nice job...happy birthday.

You've demonstrated that if you know where pipes are located, you
can look like you're finding 'em.

How about a double-blind demonstration???

You did bring back some memories. I went looking for my dowsing
rod, but it's not where I thought I left it.

Since we're telling tall tales, I'll tell mine.

About 30 years ago, I went to the Northwest Dowsing Convention
up on Mt. Hood.

The most interesting demonstration was a guy who had a case chock
full of "healing agents". The patient laid down and the practitioner
noted that his legs were of slightly different length. He put
the bottles
of diagnostic herbs on his (the patient's) crotch. When the treatment
that was needed
was proffered, the patient's legs became the same length. Take two,
call me in the morning....quite a show.

The explanation of dowsing was that we all have the ability to find what
we seek. The dowsing rod is merely an indicator that greatly amplifies
the tiny physiological changes that happen when we get close to the object
of our desire.

Having an open mind, I made myself a dowsing rod and experimented with it.

Coincidentally a co-worker confided that her dog had gone missing.
Wanting to impress her, I took out my dowsing rod and headed where it
pointed. I circled a city block where the rod always pointed into that
block. I found an old woman working in her yard. I stopped,
described the dog and asked if she'd seen it.
She said, "no, but I had a dog exactly like that. It ran away 10 years
ago...I never did find it."
SPOOKY
Not exactly proof, but a little too close to home for coincidence...

I went looking, but never found any controlled blind experiment that
suggested probability of success higher than random.
Even a stopped clock...

Asked if I thought dowsing worked, I'd still have to say, "it's bunk!"

I also went to a seminar where one of the exercises was to perform
an out of body experiment where we became someone else.
I "became" an old girl friend. I had the distinct feeling of hair
brushing the tops of
my shoulders when I moved my head. Clearly wrong, 'cause she had hair down
to her butt.
Saw her at work the next day. Over the weekend, she'd cut her hair.
You guessed it, shoulder length.
SPOOKY

My money's still on science...
YMMV

[Dennis]

"mike" <spa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:j9t6p5$2bt$1...@dont-email.me...

I had a feeling I'd be reading this reply - SPOOKY ;)

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:39:30 -0800, "Steve B" <ste...@gmail.com> wrote:

What..people still think that dowsing doesnt work?

Blink blink...blink?

Nicely done btw.

Ive dowsed for years. Shrug. Ive found everything from water to bunkers
filled with very unfriendly enemy soldiers.

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

[Gunner Asch]

You should have had the son dowse the property as his dad had done..and
then drilled.

It would have been interesting to see if he got a different dowse than
his dad had.

[Gunner Asch]

Dowsing works for most anything "unusual" underground. From water to
bunkers

[Jon Danniken]

mike wrote:
> How about a double-blind demonstration???

Scientific American did one on the TV show they had on PBS a number of years
back. I remember the show because it had Alan Alda, and they did the
experiment in the town in which I live, in a field by where I would ride my
bike a lot.

You can read a transcript of the show here:

http://www.pbs.org/saf/transcripts/transcript802.htm#3

Jon

[mike]

Begin quote

KEN BANNISTER I've always learned that whenever there's a failure, it's
not that the dowsing didn't work, it's that you didn't do a good job at
it, or sometimes, the actual hole will miss slightly, and you don't just
hit the fracture.

End quote.

This excuse is typical for "free energy" failures...your car won't
run on water 'cause you just didn't do it right...too bad the genius
who did it right was poisoned by big oil and didn't leave any notes...
SPOOKY!

[Winston]

Steve B wrote:
> Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
> alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXNIww7T0&feature=feedu
>
> Simple as shit. Works for me.
>
> Steve

Quick, get yer million- dollar prize before you lose
your mojo:

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html

--Winston

[Steve B]

"mike" <spa...@gmail.com> wrote

> You've demonstrated that if you know where pipes are located, you
> can look like you're finding 'em.

It's there for you to take or leave.

Pick one.

Steve

[rangerssuck]

On Nov 15, 4:46 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:39:30 -0800, "Steve B" <ste...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
> >alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXNIww7T0&feature=feedu
>
> >Simple as shit.  Works for me.
>
> >Steve
>
> What..people still think that dowsing doesnt work?
>
> Blink blink...blink?
>
> Nicely done btw.
>
> Ive dowsed for years. Shrug. Ive found everything from water to bunkers
> filled with very unfriendly enemy soldiers.
>
> Gunner

Well then, for crissake, you really ought to go to the site that
Winston posted and get yerself a million bucks.

>
> One could not be a successful Rightwinger without realizing that,

> in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers

> and mothers of Rightwingers, a goodly number of Rightwingers are

> not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.

>                                    Gunner Asch [edited for correctness]

[Steve B]

"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:m4d4c7501s4keg7ku...@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:39:30 -0800, "Steve B" <ste...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
>>alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXNIww7T0&feature=feedu
>>
>>Simple as shit. Works for me.
>>
>>Steve
>>
> What..people still think that dowsing doesnt work?
>
> Blink blink...blink?
>
> Nicely done btw.
>
> Ive dowsed for years. Shrug. Ive found everything from water to bunkers
> filled with very unfriendly enemy soldiers.
>
> Gunner

In my case, someone wrote into alt.home.repair and wanted to know how to
locate a buried electrical line. I told them how, but they blathered on
that it didn't work, and all that, so I did a youtube. Copper or aluminum
are two of the easiest things to find with a regular metal detector, and the
passing of an electrical charge through them makes a natural field around
the line due to electromagnetic influences on the soil. That field is there
whether the line is energized or not.

I used known lines just to demonstrate what the wires would do when they
came in contact with a line. I guess some people wanted me to go out into
some field or public lot and find any old lines, and then dig them up to see
what's there. OOPS, this looks like natural gas to me .......... what's
that smell ................. RUN!

YES, it is for finding lines that you know are there, just not sure where.
It helps if you have a leach field, and you want to know which direction the
lines run. It's handy for a lot of things. If you want to just go out and
dig lines, there are laws about that, and this little service called CALL
BEFORE YOU DIG, so you don't end up like fried crispy critters on the six
o'clock news.

I'm amazed that something offered as just an aide would set off so many
people who tend to think it's black magic. Or insist that it just plain
doesn't work.

I went quail hunting with a friend of mine, and his friend Scotty. Scotty
was a real dyed in the wool, official underwear wearing Mormon. I was
trying to locate a buried black abs pipe that ran from a spring to a corral.
On that line, there was a break, and the place was supposed to be good for
quail. I found two pieces of baling wire, and located the line in seconds.
I walked it up a ways, and found the leak and started blasting quail.

My friend Dave had to really talk hard to Scotty for about fifteen minutes
before Scotty agreed to let me ride back to Las Vegas with him in his truck.
90 miles. (I learned early in life to always take my own ride, but that
day, I was riding with them.) Scotty said it was the devil. Demonistic.
Black magic.

So, if this little technique is something you can use to find a sprinkler
line, or a buried cable, help yourself. If you want to blather about if it
works or not, call me yesterday.

Just as a lot of things in this newsgroup, we share little bits of
information that helps git r done.

This post wasn't aimed at you directly, Gunner. I see you have tried it,
and can do it. Some people just cannot do it. I wonder what's up with
that.

Steve

[Bob Engelhardt]

mike wrote:
...

> The explanation of dowsing was that we all have the ability to find what
> we seek. The dowsing rod is merely an indicator that greatly amplifies
> the tiny physiological changes that happen when we get close to the object
> of our desire.

...

This is the only part of it that I'm willing to entertain. The idea
that the rods themselves do the detecting is blather. But a person
MIGHT be capable of sensation that he is not really aware of & manifest
that in hand movement that crosses the rods. I'm skeptical, but I can't
dismiss it either.

That the rods cross in response to hand movement is certain. To prove
otherwise, one could build a jig that holds the vertical rod ends
parallel & use it to dowse with. If they did cross, it would prove that
hand movement wasn't necessary. If someone tries this, please keep us
posted.

Bob

[Steve B]

"Bob Engelhardt" <bobeng...@comcast.net> wrote

> That the rods cross in response to hand movement is certain. To prove
> otherwise, one could build a jig that holds the vertical rod ends parallel
> & use it to dowse with. If they did cross, it would prove that hand
> movement wasn't necessary. If someone tries this, please keep us posted.
>
> Bob

That is an interesting proposal. I have heard, and mentioned in the video
that some people cannot develop the light holding pressure required, so use
a couple of empty Tabasco bottles. One would then cut the short end of the
L long enough to rest on the bottom of the bottle. I have seen these for
sale with telescoping sections, looking like a very small telescopic radio
antenna on the old transistor radios.

I will do what you ask, and try to get my photography better, too. I shall
use a jig made out of wood, and the two Tabasco bottle idea thing, too. The
way I do it is just the simplest, but I have always wanted to try the little
bottles, too.

I shall keep you all posted.

Steve

[Phil Kangas]

"Bob Engelhardt" <

Looks like you have volunteered yourself to try
this, Bob. ;>)}
Keep _us_ posted, eih?

[mike]

This won't work.
REAL dowsers can dowse for anything.
The wires themselves have no notion of intent.
They serve two purposes. They're the indicator for the human.
The put on a show and provide misdirection and a false sense
of credibility. Carnival 101.

Yes, you can probably come up with a scenario where an
electric or magnetic field in the object being dowsed
could induce a field in a conductor or magnet in the
vicinity and cause movement. We've been dowsing for
North for a very long time.

But I digress...

Back in my younger days, I searched for a practical use for my
dowsing rod. I hit on the idea of dowsing for hot chicks.
I have no idea whether it worked.
Early in the experiment, I learned that my body already
had a built-in dowsing rod optimized for hot chicks.
I was amazed at the accuracy with which it pointed toward the
object of my desire.
The experiment was aborted for
a different reason. I realized that "finding hot chicks"
and "acquiring hot chicks" require completely different
skills. When you don't have the skills to "git 'em",
finding them is just frustrating.

Same problem with water. It's everywhere.
The rod movin' and the drill hittin' it are only loosely related.

;-)

[Michael A. Terrell]

Steve B wrote:
>
> I will do what you ask, and try to get my photography better, too. I shall
> use a jig made out of wood, and the two Tabasco bottle idea thing, too. The
> way I do it is just the simplest, but I have always wanted to try the little
> bottles, too.

Want some empty insulin bottles? ;-)


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

[Doug Miller]

Bulls**t. It doesn't work at all. You think it does? Demonstrate it, and
claim your million dollars:
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

[ala...@iinet.net.oz]

On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:41:39 -0800, "Steve B" <ste...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>So, if this little technique is something you can use to find a sprinkler
>line, or a buried cable, help yourself. If you want to blather about if it
>works or not, call me yesterday.

Dowsing definitely works. When I was a boy, many many years ago,
we had a very dry summer on the farm and the well was not producung
enough to properly water the cattle. We had to take the tractor &
trailer with 500 (real) gallon tank about 5 miles to the nearest river
& bucket into the tank.

We tried dowsing and at one point we had a reaction with the hazel
stick. Dug down and had a trace of water at about 8 feet, from then
on it was solid rock, digging with hammer & chisel. Eventually at
about 15 feet there was enough water to prevent digging further when
we hit the water course.

Alan

[Gunner Asch]

Its worked for me a myrid of times. Shrug

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,

in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers

and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are

[Ed Huntress]

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
news:3228c7dfvsf08u1tt...@4ax.com...

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:37:04 -0500, Doug Miller
<doug_at_mi...@example.com> wrote:

>>On 11/14/2011 7:39 PM, Steve B wrote:
>>> Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
>>> alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXNIww7T0&feature=feedu
>>>
>>> Simple as shit. Works for me.
>>
>>Bulls**t. It doesn't work at all. You think it does? Demonstrate it, and
>>claim your million dollars:
>>http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html


>Its worked for me a myrid of times. Shrug

>Gunner

Jeez. Gunner, you're awfully cavalier about $1 million. Did you come into a
big inheritance or something?

If it's worked for you myriad times, surely you can come up with a
demonstration that will win the prize. Go for it!

--
Ed Huntress

[Doug Miller]

On 11/16/2011 11:45 AM, ala...@iinet.net.oz wrote:
>
> Dowsing definitely works.

Nonsense.

> When I was a boy, many many years ago,
> we had a very dry summer on the farm and the well was not producung
> enough to properly water the cattle. We had to take the tractor&
> trailer with 500 (real) gallon tank about 5 miles to the nearest river
> & bucket into the tank.
>
> We tried dowsing and at one point we had a reaction with the hazel
> stick. Dug down and had a trace of water at about 8 feet, from then

> on it was solid rock, digging with hammer& chisel. Eventually at

> about 15 feet there was enough water to prevent digging further when
> we hit the water course.

And of course that water course was *only* right there under your
"reaction with the hazel stick" and nowhere else -- NOT.

[Ed Huntress]

"Doug Miller" wrote in message news:ja12m7$ang$1...@dont-email.me...

=====================================================================

Jeez, Doug, you should recognize when you've tapped into an infected tooth.
These are grown men, supposedly educated in some basic science, and they
believe this stuff. Do you think you're going to get anything like a
reasonable discussion here?

However, if you're really bored, go for it, and I'll stand back and watch.
The home economists trying to argue with Jim about economics are getting a
little tedious.

But if you can get them going on running your car on water or a 200 mpg
carburetor, it could be entertaining. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

[Gunner Asch]

Doug..its obvious that you dont believe dowsing works.
Others have the opposite opinion.

Why not leave it at that?

[mike]

Some people believe it.
Some people are entertained by it.
Some people profit from it.
For all those reasons, we still have psychics, palm readers,
astrologers, dowsers, etc.

I wonder how much people are affected by their daily horoscope
published in the newspaper.

As a stockbroker, you might do a lot calling when the horoscope
alludes to an opportunity presenting itself. You probably know the
birth date of your clients. I'll bet "There's an app for that" ;-)

If the horoscope says, "you will meet a tall, dark, stranger",
that might be the day to wander around the shopping mall standing
up really straight and acting strangely????????
;-) ;-)

[Doug Miller]

On 11/16/2011 10:11 PM, mike wrote:
> Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:24:46 -0500, Doug Miller
>> <doug_at_mi...@example.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/16/2011 11:45 AM, ala...@iinet.net.oz wrote:
>>>> Dowsing definitely works.
>>> Nonsense.
>>>
>>>> When I was a boy, many many years ago,
>>>> we had a very dry summer on the farm and the well was not producung
>>>> enough to properly water the cattle. We had to take the tractor&
>>>> trailer with 500 (real) gallon tank about 5 miles to the nearest river
>>>> & bucket into the tank.
>>>>
>>>> We tried dowsing and at one point we had a reaction with the hazel
>>>> stick. Dug down and had a trace of water at about 8 feet, from then
>>>> on it was solid rock, digging with hammer& chisel. Eventually at
>>>> about 15 feet there was enough water to prevent digging further when
>>>> we hit the water course.
>>> And of course that water course was *only* right there under your
>>> "reaction with the hazel stick" and nowhere else -- NOT.
>>
>> Doug..its obvious that you dont believe dowsing works.

Wrong. There is *scientific evidence* that it doesn't work.

>> Others have the opposite opinion.

This is not a matter of simply differing opinions.

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Tue, 15 Nov 2011 01:46:55 -0800
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:39:30 -0800, "Steve B" <ste...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
>>alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXNIww7T0&feature=feedu
>>
>>Simple as shit. Works for me.
>>
>>Steve
>>
>What..people still think that dowsing doesnt work?
>
>Blink blink...blink?
>
>Nicely done btw.
>
>Ive dowsed for years. Shrug. Ive found everything from water to bunkers
>filled with very unfriendly enemy soldiers.

Yowzaa - all in California? I didn't think that the Liberals
were hunkered down yet. B-)

--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:38:51 -0800

typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:24:46 -0500, Doug Miller
><doug_at_mi...@example.com> wrote:
>
>>On 11/16/2011 11:45 AM, ala...@iinet.net.oz wrote:
>>>
>>> Dowsing definitely works.
>>
>>Nonsense.
>>
>>> When I was a boy, many many years ago,
>>> we had a very dry summer on the farm and the well was not producung
>>> enough to properly water the cattle. We had to take the tractor&
>>> trailer with 500 (real) gallon tank about 5 miles to the nearest river
>>> & bucket into the tank.
>>>
>>> We tried dowsing and at one point we had a reaction with the hazel
>>> stick. Dug down and had a trace of water at about 8 feet, from then
>>> on it was solid rock, digging with hammer& chisel. Eventually at
>>> about 15 feet there was enough water to prevent digging further when
>>> we hit the water course.
>>
>>And of course that water course was *only* right there under your
>>"reaction with the hazel stick" and nowhere else -- NOT.
>
>Doug..its obvious that you dont believe dowsing works.
>Others have the opposite opinion.

Like the Vermont Farmer who was asked if he believed in full
immersion baptizing. "Nope, but I've seen it done."

tschus
pyotr

[Gunner Asch]

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:40:30 -0500, Doug Miller

Actually..it is. Ive found far too many leech lines, gas lines, electric
lines and so forth for it to be a matter of opinion.

You dont believe, I do.

Your opinion is noted.

You are not going to change anyones opinion by being nasty about it.

[Gunner Asch]

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:46:40 -0800, pyotr filipivich
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Tue, 15 Nov 2011 01:46:55 -0800
>typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:39:30 -0800, "Steve B" <ste...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Something I put on youtube this morning for doubtful people in
>>>alt.home.repair who think it can't be done.
>>>
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoeXNIww7T0&feature=feedu
>>>
>>>Simple as shit. Works for me.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>
>>What..people still think that dowsing doesnt work?
>>
>>Blink blink...blink?
>>
>>Nicely done btw.
>>
>>Ive dowsed for years. Shrug. Ive found everything from water to bunkers
>>filled with very unfriendly enemy soldiers.
>
> Yowzaa - all in California? I didn't think that the Liberals
>were hunkered down yet. B-)
>

Chuckle..no..not all in California. Now while California in places can
be nearly as dangerous as where I found the bunkers...its not generally
that dangerous
<G>

Gunner

>--
>pyotr
>Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
>you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
>question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
>does it take to change a lightbulb.

[Phil Kangas]

"Steve B"

> We seem to have gotten off track here. What I
> demonstrated was how to find a pipe or a cable.
> Dowsing for a water source is something entirely
> different, and I do not do that. THIS IS FOR
> FINDING A CABLE OR PIPE ONLY.
>
> Steve
>

Yes, for cable or pipe only. I'm amazed that some
people cannot see the difference!
phil k.

[Ed Huntress]

"Phil Kangas" wrote in message news:ja37fs$g75$1...@dont-email.me...

And what's the difference, Phil? Different spiritual emanations?

--
Ed Huntress

[Terry]

The great thing about Randi's prize is:

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html
"The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than
helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under
which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the
participation and approval of the applicant. In most cases, the
applicant will be asked to perform a relatively simple preliminary
test of the claim, which if successful, will be followed by the formal
test."

So the *applicant* approves the tests. What could be better? I'd
think that anyone who truly believes in their own ability to dowse (or
speak to the dead, or generate spells, or <insert favorite paranormal
activity>) would jump at the chance for a million bucks.
--
Best -- Terry

[Phil Kangas]

"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in
message news:4ec5323c$0$13506$607e...@cv.net...

The difference is water vs. a water pipe or
electrical cable.
I have done this and it does work! Anyone can do
this, there
is no magic involved. Dowsing for water is what is
controversial.
Go try it yourself if you don't believe it. What's
so hard about
that? phil k.

[Winston]

Terry wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:06:57 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
> <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:

(...)

>> Jeez. Gunner, you're awfully cavalier about $1 million. Did you come into a
>> big inheritance or something?
>>
>> If it's worked for you myriad times, surely you can come up with a
>> demonstration that will win the prize. Go for it!
>
> The great thing about Randi's prize is:
>
> http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html
> "The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than
> helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under
> which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the
> participation and approval of the applicant. In most cases, the
> applicant will be asked to perform a relatively simple preliminary
> test of the claim, which if successful, will be followed by the formal
> test."
>
> So the *applicant* approves the tests. What could be better? I'd
> think that anyone who truly believes in their own ability to dowse (or
> speak to the dead, or generate spells, or<insert favorite paranormal
> activity>) would jump at the chance for a million bucks.

The next 'newsgroup gambit' might be to assert
that dowsing (for _anything_) is proven technique
and does not involve the "paranormal, supernatural,
or occult". Therefore it is ineligible for
consideration in the Challenge.

However, that wouldn't wash because
JREF reveals previous 'dowsing' claimants
as legitimate applicants:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=85571
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=87076
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=112989
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=132844


http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=43

--Winston <-- Can make espresso... DISAPPEAR!

[Doug Miller]

On 11/17/2011 1:51 PM, Phil Kangas wrote:

> I have done this and it does work! Anyone can do
> this, there
> is no magic involved. Dowsing for water is what is
> controversial.
> Go try it yourself if you don't believe it. What's
> so hard about
> that?

Garbage. It doesn't work at all. You think it does? Go demonstrate it,
and collect your million bucks.

[Steve B]

"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote

> Doug..its obvious that you dont believe dowsing works.
> Others have the opposite opinion.
>
> Why not leave it at that?
>
> Gunner

Some people just have to be right, GODDAMMIT! And you may not have any
differing opinion. You must have met someone like this in your life up to
this point ..........

Steve

[Steve B]

"mike" <spa...@gmail.com> wrote

> Some people believe it.
> Some people are entertained by it.
> Some people profit from it.
> For all those reasons, we still have psychics, palm readers, astrologers,
> dowsers, etc.
>
> I wonder how much people are affected by their daily horoscope
> published in the newspaper.
>
> As a stockbroker, you might do a lot calling when the horoscope
> alludes to an opportunity presenting itself. You probably know the
> birth date of your clients. I'll bet "There's an app for that" ;-)
>
> If the horoscope says, "you will meet a tall, dark, stranger",
> that might be the day to wander around the shopping mall standing
> up really straight and acting strangely????????
> ;-) ;-)

My wife watches "The Mentalist". It is a program where an false psychic
helps police investigations. He seems to be able to discern things others
cannot. But when he reveals how he reached his conclusion, it is always
from facts that were obvious to all, just not picked up on.

People who are good listeners, observers, followers of body language, who
understand microemotion displays, etc. are able to make a lot of money by
just finding some rich people and telling them what they want to hear, using
information that's been given.

Steve

[Steve B]

"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote

> Actually..it is. Ive found far too many leech lines, gas lines, electric
> lines and so forth for it to be a matter of opinion.

When looking for a line, there's usually three kinds of people:

The engineer who has his papers and says, "Oh, it's definitely right here,
the paper says so."

The Doug type who's already getting the backhoe warmed up, and itching to
dig some big holes.

And a witcher who's already out there with a small shovel, digging a couple
of test holes, and who has probably already found it.

Steve

[Steve B]

"Phil Kangas" <pka...@upalphacomm.net> wrote

> The difference is water vs. a water pipe or electrical cable.
> I have done this and it does work! Anyone can do this, there
> is no magic involved. Dowsing for water is what is controversial.
> Go try it yourself if you don't believe it. What's so hard about
> that? phil k.

I'm with you, Phil. I guess some people want to argue about anything. I
think those little boxes they carry around and sense the ground with work on
some sort of the same principle.

I purposely did the youtube because I have had many people ask on Usenet how
to find a line. Go witch it. To which the answer was a shit storm. So, I
did that simple youtobe to show how to do it, and that I can do it, and that
it does work. Well, I did not dig up the indicated lines, but I DID bury
them, so I know where they were, except for the hose laying on the surface.
I guess I need to do another, and show the sensors react to the hose, then
move the hose, and show that it now does not react to the hose since it's
gone, but will sense the hose in its new position. I've done my part.

It's just like asking the best welding hat, or rod, or jeans. Everyone has
their own opinions, but there are some people who are just so psychotic that
THEIRS is the right answer.

I have found "anomalies" while doswing, and digging it up, found an old tin
can or lid or some other metal object. I have even found coins.

Steve

[Ed Huntress]

"Winston" wrote in message news:ja3nn...@news1.newsguy.com...

====================================================

[reply]

You're a regular magician, Winnie. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

[Winston]

Ed Huntress wrote:

(...)

> You're a regular magician, Winnie. d8-)

Now watch carefully as I turn in, to a Hardware Store!

:)

--Winnie

[Gunner Asch]

Indeed. Though most of them are Leftwingers. And they are generally
mentally ill.......

[Larry Jaques]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:36:29 -0800, Winston <Win...@BigBrother.net>
wrote:

>--Winston <-- Can make espresso... DISAPPEAR!

Yeah, but for how long? And then they turn into 40 cups of espresso
for every one drank, just like beer?

--
Most powerful is he who has himself in his own power.
-- Seneca

[Phil Kangas]

"Doug Miller" <> wrote in message > On 11/17/2011

What we are talking about is finding a buried pipe
or electrical cable.
Telephone repair men find buried lines by the
magnetic field of the line.
Power company guys do the same. Troops in a war
zone find IEDs
by the magnetic field. Hunters and hikers are
careful to watch for
abnormal deflections on their compasses. There is
nothing new
about this topic. Get off your ass and go outside
and try it, maybe
you'll be the winner? Or are there a million
people ahead of you?

[Winston]

Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:36:29 -0800, Winston<Win...@BigBrother.net>
> wrote:
>
>> --Winston<-- Can make espresso... DISAPPEAR!
>
> Yeah, but for how long?

Not one cup of espresso has ever re-appeared!

> And then they turn into 40 cups of espresso
> for every one drank, just like beer?

Hey, we were talking *input* not *output*.

:)

--Winston <-- Espresso and steak in, Coors beer
and commercial television out.

[Steve B]

"Phil Kangas" <pka...@upalphacomm.net> wrote in message
news:ja43a3$kjr$1...@dont-email.me...

Proving it works is one thing. Collecting the money is another.

Steve

[Larry Jaques]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:53:19 -0800, Winston <Win...@BigBrother.net>
wrote:

>Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:36:29 -0800, Winston<Win...@BigBrother.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> --Winston<-- Can make espresso... DISAPPEAR!
>>
>> Yeah, but for how long?
>
>Not one cup of espresso has ever re-appeared!

Then you're not making it strong enough. My pee smells distinctly like
coffee or espresso an hour later.

>> And then they turn into 40 cups of espresso
>> for every one drank, just like beer?
>
>Hey, we were talking *input* not *output*. :)

Hey, I'm just trying to qualify your "disappear" boast.
So, hand me $30k and I'll make it disappear, too, and it won't be
coming back. Pretty please?

>--Winston <-- Espresso and steak in, Coors beer
> and commercial television out.

Now I'll agree, but I used to be a Coors drinker, when they were out
of Lucky Lager. Both nearly went tits-up when I quit drinking. Them
and the rum makers.

[rangerssuck]

On Nov 17, 4:59 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:59:45 -0800, "Steve B" <ste...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

> >"Gunner Asch" <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote

>
> >> Doug..its obvious that you dont believe dowsing works.
> >> Others have the opposite opinion.
>
> >> Why not leave it at that?
>
> >> Gunner
>
> >Some people just have to be right, GODDAMMIT!  And you may not have any
> >differing opinion.  You must have met someone like this in your life up to
> >this point ..........
>
> >Steve
>
> Indeed. Though most of them are Leftwingers.  And they are generally
> mentally ill.......
>
> Gunner
>
> One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
> in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
> and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
> not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
>                                    Gunner Asch

Now THAT is funny. Anyone who doesn't belive what Gumball says is
"mentally ill."

[Doug Miller]

On 11/17/2011 3:12 PM, Steve B wrote:
>
> I purposely did the youtube because I have had many people ask on Usenet how
> to find a line. Go witch it. To which the answer was a shit storm. So, I
> did that simple youtobe to show how to do it, and that I can do it, and that
> it does work.

No, it does not work, and no, you cannot do it. Dowsing is a fraud that
only the gullible believe. You're only fooling yourself.

If you're so sure that it does work, and you can do it, then contact the
JREF, go demonstrate it, and claim your million dollars.

[Doug Miller]

What does any of that have to do with dowsing?

[Winston]

Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:53:19 -0800, Winston<Win...@BigBrother.net>
> wrote:

(...)

>> Not one cup of espresso has ever re-appeared!
>
> Then you're not making it strong enough. My pee smells distinctly like
> coffee or espresso an hour later.

Starbucks - scented Coors! I've made plenty of that
over the years. Transmutation isn't resurrection, though.

(...)

>> Hey, we were talking *input* not *output*. :)
>
> Hey, I'm just trying to qualify your "disappear" boast.
> So, hand me $30k and I'll make it disappear, too, and it won't be
> coming back. Pretty please?

I never ask another to do a trick I already know.
:)

>
>> --Winston<-- Espresso and steak in, Coors beer
>> and commercial television out.
>
> Now I'll agree, but I used to be a Coors drinker, when they were out
> of Lucky Lager. Both nearly went tits-up when I quit drinking. Them
> and the rum makers.

My BIL introduced me to that crap 40 years ago.
I positively loved Dos Equis Dark!
Didn't like San Miguel.
Never tasted Falstaff, though I suspect it was
indistinguishable from any of the pilsner junk
that we American chaps call 'beer'.

'Haven't had a drink in 28 years and I miss it
less every day.

--Winston

[Steve B]

"Doug Miller" <doug_at_mi...@example.com> wrote in message
news:ja4l24$mit$1...@dont-email.me...

I WOULD, but I have to go to The Flat Earth Society convention for the next
week.

Steve

[Steve B]

"Doug Miller" <doug_at_mi...@example.com> wrote in message

news:ja4l41$mit$2...@dont-email.me...

More than what you're posting. You're a broken record.

Steve

[Larry Jaques]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:05:12 -0800, Winston <Win...@BigBrother.net>
wrote:

Today, I cannot understand how I could drink that stinky crap.
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

>'Haven't had a drink in 28 years and I miss it
>less every day.

Ditto, 27-1/4 years here.

[Edward A. Falk]

In article <ja43a3$kjr$1...@dont-email.me>,

Phil Kangas <pka...@upalphacomm.net> wrote:
>
>What we are talking about is finding a buried pipe
>or electrical cable.
>Telephone repair men find buried lines by the
>magnetic field of the line.
>Power company guys do the same. Troops in a war
>zone find IEDs

>by the magnetic field. ...

They have electronic equipment to do this.

The James Randi foundation has a million dollar prize waiting
for anybody who can show that dowsing works under controlled
conditions. So far, nobody's done it.

--
-Ed Falk, fa...@despams.r.us.com
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

[Edward A. Falk]

In article <j9t6p5$2bt$1...@dont-email.me>, mike <spa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Steve B wrote:
>
>The explanation of dowsing was that we all have the ability to find what
>we seek. The dowsing rod is merely an indicator that greatly amplifies
>the tiny physiological changes that happen when we get close to the object
>of our desire.

So true. Interesting example: I was talking to someone about how
sometimes bullets from a nearby neighborhood land at the small airport
I use. The guy I was talking to didn't believe it, having been teaching
there for 25+ years and never having even heard of such a thing.
I myself, had never found one either in nearly 20 years.

Two minutes later, I found one.

The brain is amazingly good at noticing things at a
subconscious level. Here's a recent article on the subject:
http://www.fellowgeek.com/a-New-Study-Finds-People-Know-More-Than-They-Think-ix1533.html

The dowsing rods act as an amplifier, letting your subconscious detection
of faint clues become visible at a conscious level. Ouija boards work
on the same principal.

A similar parlor trick: hang a weight on a string and have someone
hold it over their arm. Tell them that the weight can detect the
gender of the person it's suspended over; moving in circles for a woman
or back and forth for a man. Tell them to hold the string as steady
as they can. Within a minute, tiny subconscious movements will cause
the pendulum to start swinging the prescribed manner.

Combine this effect with the fact that most of the time, you could
close your eyes, lob a lawn dart into the middle of a field, dig a
hole where it lands, and you'll find something. That's how
dowsing works.

In a controlled environment where the mind gets no subtle clues at
all about where the goods are buried, and the technique fails.

Otherwise, someone would have claimed that prize by now.

[Winston]

Larry Jaques wrote:

(...)

>> 'Haven't had a drink in 28 years and I miss it
>> less every day.
>
> Ditto, 27-1/4 years here.

Good on ya!

--Winston

[rangerssuck]

27 1/4 years without a cigarette. I still reach into my pocket looking
for them. So, what was it about 1983-1984 that made people give things
up?

[Winston]

Edward A. Falk wrote:
> In article<ja43a3$kjr$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Phil Kangas<pka...@upalphacomm.net> wrote:
>>
>> What we are talking about is finding a buried pipe
>> or electrical cable.
>> Telephone repair men find buried lines by the
>> magnetic field of the line.
>> Power company guys do the same. Troops in a war
>> zone find IEDs
>> by the magnetic field. ...
>
> They have electronic equipment to do this.
>
> The James Randi foundation has a million dollar prize waiting
> for anybody who can show that dowsing works under controlled
> conditions. So far, nobody's done it.

http://www.pbs.org/saf/transcripts/transcript802.htm#3

--Winston

[Winston]

rangerssuck wrote:
> On Nov 18, 2:32 pm, Winston<Wins...@BigBrother.net> wrote:
>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>> (...)
>>
>>>> 'Haven't had a drink in 28 years and I miss it
>>>> less every day.
>>
>>> Ditto, 27-1/4 years here.
>>
>> Good on ya!
>>
>> --Winston
>
> 27 1/4 years without a cigarette. I still reach into my pocket looking
> for them.

Those things killed my dad and SWMBOs mom.
You dodged a bullet.

> So, what was it about 1983-1984 that made people give things
> up?

It was difficult, because my boss and co-workers
made a point of going out for pizza and beer at
least once a week, sometimes twice.
I really liked those "lunches" but after months
of this I just felt awful, with bloat and stomach
problems.
My boss didn't understand why I started begging off
of "pizza lunches" and tried to convince me to join
them again. I didn't have the testicular mass to
tell him I thought the group was headed for
alcoholism.

I tried something different.
I joined the corporate gym and went on fast jogs
around the park behind the company. A shower and
a modest snack followed.
I started feeling much better and before long
I lost a *lot* of weight and my muscle tone and
endurance really improved. I noticed that I was
thinking more clearly too.

So I figured my conscious steered me in the right
direction.

--Winston

[Larry Jaques]

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:21:37 -0800, Winston <Win...@BigBrother.net>
wrote:

>rangerssuck wrote:
>> On Nov 18, 2:32 pm, Winston<Wins...@BigBrother.net> wrote:
>>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>
>>> (...)
>>>
>>>>> 'Haven't had a drink in 28 years and I miss it
>>>>> less every day.
>>>
>>>> Ditto, 27-1/4 years here.
>>>
>>> Good on ya!
>>>
>>> --Winston
>>
>> 27 1/4 years without a cigarette. I still reach into my pocket looking
>> for them.
>
>Those things killed my dad and SWMBOs mom.
>You dodged a bullet.
>
>> So, what was it about 1983-1984 that made people give things
>> up?

'85 for me. Age of Enlightenment.

>It was difficult, because my boss and co-workers
>made a point of going out for pizza and beer at
>least once a week, sometimes twice.
>I really liked those "lunches" but after months
>of this I just felt awful, with bloat and stomach
>problems.

I got considerable gas from that diet, too. SBD, with everyone in the
office moving away from me and opening the door to the back. Talk
about embarassing.

>My boss didn't understand why I started begging off
>of "pizza lunches" and tried to convince me to join
>them again. I didn't have the testicular mass to
>tell him I thought the group was headed for
>alcoholism.

It could have meant your job, and they wouldn't have listened anyway.

'Twas a smart move staying mum.

>I tried something different.
>I joined the corporate gym and went on fast jogs
>around the park behind the company. A shower and
>a modest snack followed.
>I started feeling much better and before long
>I lost a *lot* of weight and my muscle tone and
>endurance really improved. I noticed that I was
>thinking more clearly too.

Extremely good move, sir. Kudos.

>So I figured my conscious steered me in the right
>direction.

Your who? ;) Yes, indeedy. Listen to that intuition. It's there for
a reason.

[Gunner Asch]

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:21:37 -0800, Winston <Win...@BigBrother.net>
wrote:

Or you simply could have eaten less pizza, drank less or no beer and
been the designated driver plus run the laps etc etc on your own time.

And been popular amongst the group. Sometimes this works..sometimes it
only gets puke on your floor boards.

But there were a number of options.


Gunner, who doesnt drink but loves pizza and doesnt mind telling them to
puke in the bag I keep under the seat for just such occasions. Well..its
a dog turd bag...but the pukeee never notices

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> Gunner, who doesnt drink but loves pizza and doesnt mind telling them to
> puke in the bag I keep under the seat for just such occasions. Well..its
> a dog turd bag...but the pukeee never notices

The dog will, when you pull it out the next time! ;-)


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

[Gunner Asch]

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:21:56 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>> Gunner, who doesnt drink but loves pizza and doesnt mind telling them to
>> puke in the bag I keep under the seat for just such occasions. Well..its
>> a dog turd bag...but the pukeee never notices
>
>
> The dog will, when you pull it out the next time! ;-)

LOL!!!

Naw..I usually drop the bag in a dumpster behind the nearest 7-11 after
someone pukes in the truck. Though a couple times when they were
particularly obnoxious...as they were staggering out of the truck..I
hollared.."Hey..you forgot your take out!!" and hand the bag to
them..then drive off.

Last one was a gal who I had to keep fighting from unzipping me and
trying to give me head for taking her home while I was driving..right
before she blew chunks.
When she was sober..wouldnt even look at me..so I let her have her "take
out" and take it into her apartment as I left.

Payback..sometimes is a real treat.

Shrug

Gunner

[Winston]

Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:21:37 -0800, Winston<Win...@BigBrother.net>
> wrote:

(...)

>> So I figured my conscious steered me in the right
>> direction.
>
> Your who? ;) Yes, indeedy. Listen to that intuition. It's there for
> a reason.

Sometimes when you "just don't know", you really do know.

--Winston

[Winston]

Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:21:37 -0800, Winston<Win...@BigBrother.net>
> wrote:

(...)

> Or you simply could have eaten less pizza, drank less or no beer and
> been the designated driver plus run the laps etc etc on your own time.

That wouldn't have worked.
My "won't power" would not have survived, seeing all
my friends having a good time.

> And been popular amongst the group. Sometimes this works..sometimes it
> only gets puke on your floor boards.
>
> But there were a number of options.

There was only 'cold turkey' or remission.
'Cold Turkey' wasn't a lot of fun, but it was the
right choice, turns out. My boss left the company
and my new boss gave me lots of autonomy and
rewarded me well for my contributions.

> Gunner, who doesnt drink but loves pizza and doesnt mind telling them to
> puke in the bag I keep under the seat for just such occasions. Well..its
> a dog turd bag...but the pukeee never notices

Doesn't sound like 'first prize' to me. :)


--Winston

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:20:13 -0800
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:21:56 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
><mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> Gunner, who doesnt drink but loves pizza and doesnt mind telling them to
>>> puke in the bag I keep under the seat for just such occasions. Well..its
>>> a dog turd bag...but the pukeee never notices
>>
>>
>> The dog will, when you pull it out the next time! ;-)
>
>LOL!!!
>
>Naw..I usually drop the bag in a dumpster behind the nearest 7-11 after
>someone pukes in the truck. Though a couple times when they were
>particularly obnoxious...as they were staggering out of the truck..I
>hollared.."Hey..you forgot your take out!!" and hand the bag to
>them..then drive off.
>
>Last one was a gal who I had to keep fighting from unzipping me and
>trying to give me head for taking her home while I was driving..right
>before she blew chunks.
>When she was sober..wouldnt even look at me..so I let her have her "take
>out" and take it into her apartment as I left.

LOL. That's mean, but no doubt she worked hard to "earn it".
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

[Gunner Asch]

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 21:28:41 -0800, Winston <Win...@BigBrother.net>
wrote:

>Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:21:37 -0800, Winston<Win...@BigBrother.net>
>> wrote:
>
>(...)
>
>> Or you simply could have eaten less pizza, drank less or no beer and
>> been the designated driver plus run the laps etc etc on your own time.
>
>That wouldn't have worked.
>My "won't power" would not have survived, seeing all
>my friends having a good time.

So you cant have a good time unless you are drunk? Blink
blink...blink?

>
>> And been popular amongst the group. Sometimes this works..sometimes it
>> only gets puke on your floor boards.
>>
>> But there were a number of options.
>
>There was only 'cold turkey' or remission.
>'Cold Turkey' wasn't a lot of fun, but it was the
>right choice, turns out. My boss left the company
>and my new boss gave me lots of autonomy and
>rewarded me well for my contributions.

Good for having a smart boss!

>
>> Gunner, who doesnt drink but loves pizza and doesnt mind telling them to
>> puke in the bag I keep under the seat for just such occasions. Well..its
>> a dog turd bag...but the pukeee never notices
>
>Doesn't sound like 'first prize' to me. :)

Their problem..not mine <VBG>

>
>
>--Winston

[Winston]

Gunner Asch wrote:

(...)

> So you cant have a good time unless you are drunk? Blink
> blink...blink?

Heh! Actually I have a much better time not
drinking now, than I ever had 'back in the day'.

I would have felt a lot of pressure to pick
up a glass, surrounded by my pals who were
drinking. It is a mindless, operant conditioning
thing. Sorta like some ex-smokers who have
such a rough time *not* sparking up after meals.

Years afterward I was out to lunch with friends
at a different division of the company.
They really could not understand why I would
only have my soft drink and urged me to join
them in a pitcher or two.

*That* was difficult.

(...)

> Good for having a smart boss!

Some of the bosses I've worked for since then
make Vic look like an unmitigated blessing.

I really didn't know how good I had it at the time
or how Purely Evil some managers can be.

--Winston <-- In tonight's play the part of 'Infinite
Destruction' will be played by Mr. Saeed's
understudy, Satan, the Prince of Darkness.

[Gunner Asch]

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:37:42 -0800, Winston <Win...@BigBrother.net>
wrote:

>Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>(...)
>
>> So you cant have a good time unless you are drunk? Blink
>> blink...blink?
>
>Heh! Actually I have a much better time not
>drinking now, than I ever had 'back in the day'.
>
>I would have felt a lot of pressure to pick
>up a glass, surrounded by my pals who were
>drinking. It is a mindless, operant conditioning
>thing. Sorta like some ex-smokers who have
>such a rough time *not* sparking up after meals.
>
>Years afterward I was out to lunch with friends
>at a different division of the company.
>They really could not understand why I would
>only have my soft drink and urged me to join
>them in a pitcher or two.
>
>*That* was difficult.

I stopped drinking when I was about..humm...22 or 23 yrs old. I think I
related the story of the Pillsbury Dough Girl before..so I wont go into
it again. I found I was drinking out of boredom for the most part. I
still go to bars several nights a week, but I drink coke or pepsi. I
tend to be something of a people watcher..and occasionally a " watch out
for people"..and since Im usually carrying a pistol..booze is
contraindicated.

I suppose I could have more choices of ladies if I drank along with
them.and then took them home and had a drunken roll with them..but
somehow over the years Ive found that to be "less than satisfying". So I
find one who has had only a couple drinks..then take them home and have
marvelous good times with no hangovers and a second time in the morning
when we wake up.
Doesnt happen ever week, or even every couple weeks..but when it
happens..its very nice indeed.

And I do indeed have to deal with peer pressure..so I simply tell em Im
allergic to booze which is why I drink soft drinks. Most folks feel
sorry for me. <VBG> because of this. And I seldom even have to buy a
soft drink. At $2 a glass..its even cheaper than beer and the bar maids
dont mind doing free refills because I really am a nice guy <Grin>

>
>(...)
>
>> Good for having a smart boss!
>
>Some of the bosses I've worked for since then
>make Vic look like an unmitigated blessing.

Which is why I work for myself. Im bad enough damnit!

>
>I really didn't know how good I had it at the time
>or how Purely Evil some managers can be.
>
>--Winston <-- In tonight's play the part of 'Infinite
> Destruction' will be played by Mr. Saeed's
> understudy, Satan, the Prince of Darkness.

Reminds me of a guy I worked for named Jerry Mills. He gave his wife
and his girlfriend (secretary) the clap 3-4 times and wrecked 3 cars in
the 2 yrs , 2 months and 9 days I worked for him.
5' 5": and every bit of it was drunken idiot.

Gunner

[pyotr filipivich]

Winston <Win...@BigBrother.net> on Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:37:42 -0800

typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>

>Years afterward I was out to lunch with friends
>at a different division of the company.
>They really could not understand why I would
>only have my soft drink and urged me to join
>them in a pitcher or two.

Like the Sunday School teacher said "You don't have to smoke and
drink to have a good time."

>
>*That* was difficult.
>
>(...)
>
>> Good for having a smart boss!
>
>Some of the bosses I've worked for since then
>make Vic look like an unmitigated blessing.
>
>I really didn't know how good I had it at the time
>or how Purely Evil some managers can be.

Oh, man, was I late learning that.

>
>--Winston <-- In tonight's play the part of 'Infinite
> Destruction' will be played by Mr. Saeed's
> understudy, Satan, the Prince of Darkness.

ROFLMAO - love that sig.

[Winston]

pyotr filipivich keyboarded (and moused):

> Winston<Win...@BigBrother.net> on Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:37:42 -0800
> typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

(...)

> Like the Sunday School teacher said "You don't have to smoke and
> drink to have a good time."

That is pretty sneaky, hiding a little truth like
that in a barrage of lying, manipulative gobbledygook.

(...)

>> I really didn't know how good I had it at the time
>> or how Purely Evil some managers can be.
>
> Oh, man, was I late learning that.

People do strange things when their corporation has
them frightened literally 'out of their mind'.

>> --Winston<-- In tonight's play the part of 'Infinite
>> Destruction' will be played by Mr. Saeed's
>> understudy, Satan, the Prince of Darkness.
>
> ROFLMAO - love that sig.
>
> --
> pyotr
> Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
> you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
> question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
> does it take to change a lightbulb.

I think that is very cool too!

--Winston

[pyotr filipivich]

Winston <Win...@BigBrother.net> on Sat, 19 Nov 2011 13:50:12 -0800

typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>pyotr filipivich keyboarded (and moused):
>> Winston<Win...@BigBrother.net> on Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:37:42 -0800
>> typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>
>(...)
>
>> Like the Sunday School teacher said "You don't have to smoke and
>> drink to have a good time."
>
>That is pretty sneaky, hiding a little truth like
>that in a barrage of lying, manipulative gobbledygook.
>
>(...)
>
>>> I really didn't know how good I had it at the time
>>> or how Purely Evil some managers can be.
>>
>> Oh, man, was I late learning that.
>
>People do strange things when their corporation has
>them frightened literally 'out of their mind'.

I had a foreman who was,,, nuts. Some of his nuttiness was "cool"
- "Begone thou possessed of multiple psychotic demons!" (Or was it
"possessed of psychotic multiple daemons"?) And he did say "please
and thank you" - I'll put up with a lot for that.
But came the day I'd had enough. Figured I'd call in Friday and
say "Tell (whatsisname) the guns told me to say home and clean them.
Be back on Monday." I figured one of three things would happen.
Nobody would mention it; I'd get fired; he'd quit.
Didn't have a chance to find out, he was fired on Wednesday.

>
>>> --Winston<-- In tonight's play the part of 'Infinite
>>> Destruction' will be played by Mr. Saeed's
>>> understudy, Satan, the Prince of Darkness.
>>
>> ROFLMAO - love that sig.
>>
>> --
>> pyotr
>> Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
>> you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
>> question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
>> does it take to change a lightbulb.
>
>I think that is very cool too!
>
>--Winston

--
pyotr filipivich.
"I wish you wouldn't use the mind control device - I get
these terrible migranes until it's finished." Jonathon

[rangerssuck]

On Nov 19, 12:28 am, Winston <Wins...@BigBrother.net> wrote:
> Gunner Asch wrote:

> > On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:21:37 -0800, Winston<Wins...@BigBrother.net>

Gunner apparently doesn't understand addiction. Somehow, I'm not
surprised.

[California Rocket Scientist]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:53:41 -0500, "Phil Kangas"
<pka...@upalphacomm.net> wrote:

> Get off your ass and go outside
>and try it, maybe
>you'll be the winner? Or are there a million
>people ahead of you?

Why are you suggesting that someone else collect the million? Don't
you want it? Why are you here when you could be proving something that
you say is easy? What are the chances that you won't answer the
obvious questions?

[California Rocket Scientist]

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:13:33 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
<hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:


>The next 'newsgroup gambit' might be to assert
>that dowsing (for _anything_) is proven technique
>and does not involve the "paranormal, supernatural,
>or occult". Therefore it is ineligible for
>consideration in the Challenge.
>
>However, that wouldn't wash because
>JREF reveals previous 'dowsing' claimants
>as legitimate applicants:
>
>http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=85571
>http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=87076
>http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=112989
>http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=132844
>
>
>http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?f=43

You seem like a serious poster. Multiple people here are insisting
that they have the skills required to scoop up an easy milllion. Yet
they keep barking instead of scooping. Are they already rich or what?

[Ed Huntress]

"California Rocket Scientist" wrote in message
news:5alic7plfejdokrvd...@4ax.com...

================================================================

<g> I think what you've quoted there actually was from Winston -- I'm using
a new newsreader and I'm making a mess of quotes and attributions. Winston
definitely is a serious poster.

If you want my opinion, I don't know quite what to make of it. There tends
to be a thread of superstition and crazy ideas about physics running through
some of the posts on this NG, but this one takes the cake. I got right out
of it as soon as I heard otherwise intelligent people talking about magnetic
fields created by flowing water and telephone repairmen finding underground
cables by using two pieces of baling wire.

As for why they won't claim the million dollars, you'll have to ask them. It
defies logic, IMO.

--
Ed Huntress

[Phil Kangas]

"California Rocket Scientist" <

> wrote in message > > <> wrote:
>
>> Get off your ass and go outside
>>and try it, maybe
>>you'll be the winner? Or are there a million
>>people ahead of you?
>
> Why are you suggesting that someone else collect
> the million? Don't
> you want it? Why are you here when you could be
> proving something that
> you say is easy? What are the chances that you
> won't answer the
> obvious questions?

Checked wiki for dowsing and found this :
"Many dowsers today use a pair of simple L-shaped
metal rods. One rod is held in each hand, with the
short arm of the L held upright, and the long arm
pointing forward. When something is found, the
rods cross over one another making an "X" over the
found object. If the object is long and straight,
such as a water pipe, the rods will point in
opposite directions, showing its orientation. The
rods are sometimes fashioned from wire coat
hangers, and glass or plastic rods have also been
accepted. Straight rods are also sometimes used
for the same purposes, and were not uncommon in
early 19th century New England.
In all cases, the device is in a state of unstable
equilibrium from which slight movements may be
amplified.[10] "

[Ed Huntress]

"Phil Kangas" wrote in message news:jabun3$sk1$1...@dont-email.me...

You skipped this part, Phil:

"There is no accepted scientific rationale behind dowsing, and there is no
scientific evidence that it is effective."

Then they go on to cite several examples of testing that showed the results
were no better than chance.

--
Ed Huntress

[Winston]

pyotr filipivich teletyped:

> Winston<Win...@BigBrother.net> on Sat, 19 Nov 2011 13:50:12 -0800
> typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

(...)

>> People do strange things when their corporation has
>> them frightened literally 'out of their mind'.
>
> I had a foreman who was,,, nuts. Some of his nuttiness was "cool"
> - "Begone thou possessed of multiple psychotic demons!" (Or was it
> "possessed of psychotic multiple daemons"?) And he did say "please
> and thank you" - I'll put up with a lot for that.
> But came the day I'd had enough. Figured I'd call in Friday and
> say "Tell (whatsisname) the guns told me to say home and clean them.
> Be back on Monday." I figured one of three things would happen.
> Nobody would mention it; I'd get fired; he'd quit.
> Didn't have a chance to find out, he was fired on Wednesday.

My mind reels at what he possibly could have done
to the bosses son's daughters in order to get fired.
(I really don't want to know.)

In my former outfit, sabotage, threats and attempted
murder were grounds for....bonuses and promotion.

--Winston

[Winston]

rangerssuck wrote:
> On Nov 19, 12:28 am, Winston<Wins...@BigBrother.net> wrote:

(...)

>> Doesn't sound like 'first prize' to me. :)
>>
>> --Winston
>
> Gunner apparently doesn't understand addiction. Somehow, I'm not
> surprised.

I was plenty concerned about the potential.
I didn't need any more illustrations.

:)


--Winston

[Phil Kangas]

"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in
message news:4ec981c0$0$2000$607e...@cv.net...

You are missing the stated fact that it has been
used to find water
pipes for at least the last two hundred years! I'm
not talking about
finding water etc....... This is so easy to do I
can't believe you
haven't tried it yourself! This is the only use
for dowsing IMO.

[Ed Huntress]

"Phil Kangas" wrote in message news:jac0be$82b$1...@dont-email.me...

No, that's not what they said. What you quoted was a description of how
dowsers do their thing. Then it says it doesn't work.

> I'm not talking about
>finding water etc....... This is so easy to do I can't believe you
>haven't tried it yourself! This is the only use for dowsing IMO.

There is no use for dowsing, or someone would have collected that million
dollars.

Why haven't you?

--
Ed Huntress

[Winston]

Ed Huntress wrote:

(...)

> <g> I think what you've quoted there actually was from Winston -- I'm
> using a new newsreader and I'm making a mess of quotes and attributions.
> Winston definitely is a serious poster.

Ed is much more serious than I, however. :)

> If you want my opinion, I don't know quite what to make of it. There
> tends to be a thread of superstition and crazy ideas about physics
> running through some of the posts on this NG, but this one takes the
> cake. I got right out of it as soon as I heard otherwise intelligent
> people talking about magnetic fields created by flowing water and
> telephone repairmen finding underground cables by using two pieces of
> baling wire.
>
> As for why they won't claim the million dollars, you'll have to ask
> them. It defies logic, IMO.

My second 'official' job ever, was working at a place that
reconditioned telephone line tools. (Breakdown test sets,
sweep generators and *lots* of little vacuum-tube tone
amplifiers. My boss was always looking for an idea for
a 'breakthrough' product.

He had me participate in a closed-door test of these exact
dowsing rods. He demonstrated them to me. He tossed a
nickel into a mess of scrap paper on the floor. As he walked
over it, the rods crossed. He left the room.
On his return he repeated the test and it worked again!

I took his nickel out of my pocket and handed it to him.
:)

He mumbled something about 'water pipes in the foundation'.
We didn't investigate that tool further.

--Winston <-- Ask me about his "enclosed heat sink
halogen vault light"! :eyeroll:

[Winston]

Ed Huntress wrote:
>
>
> "Phil Kangas" wrote in message news:jac0be$82b$1...@dont-email.me...

(...)

>> You are missing the stated fact that it has been used to find water
>> pipes for at least the last two hundred years!
>
> No, that's not what they said. What you quoted was a description of how
> dowsers do their thing. Then it says it doesn't work.
>
>> I'm not talking about
>> finding water etc....... This is so easy to do I can't believe you
>> haven't tried it yourself! This is the only use for dowsing IMO.
>
> There is no use for dowsing, or someone would have collected that
> million dollars.

Well, there is no use for _dowsing_ per se.

The tool is 'way more useful in the separation
of money from governments.

http://www.sniffex-eu.com/sniffex_guide_first.htm

http://sniffexquestions.blogspot.com/

"Mexico’s National Defense Secretariat has spent more than
$10 million to purchase hundreds of the detectors, similar
to the “magic wands” in use in Iraq and Afghanistan,
for its antidrug fight."

--Winston <--Can get you a good deal on Ouija boards

[California Rocket Scientist]

Note the last sentence which explains why dowsing only APPEARS to
work. To weaker minds anyway.

I take it that you don't intend to answer any of my questions or
collect the million. Which I also take to mean that you don't really
believe in your own opinion and can't admit it. With a little work you
could grow to the level of that end of the world guy. I thought for
sure that his own world would end before he finally saw the light but
he proved me wrong.

[California Rocket Scientist]

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:17:33 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
<hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:



>If you want my opinion, I don't know quite what to make of it. There tends
>to be a thread of superstition and crazy ideas about physics running through
>some of the posts on this NG, but this one takes the cake. I got right out
>of it as soon as I heard otherwise intelligent people talking about magnetic
>fields created by flowing water and telephone repairmen finding underground
>cables by using two pieces of baling wire.

Right. If someone were to claim that Santa Claus is real then most of
the same posters would eviscerate the claim. Although I suppose that
some of the younger ones might not. What's the average age of posters
here? Perhaps I could type up a list of things they should stop
believing in. Tooth fairy, trickle down etc. :)

>As for why they won't claim the million dollars, you'll have to ask them. It
>defies logic, IMO.

They could be part of the infamous 1%. I always wondered what they did
in their spare spare time.

[California Rocket Scientist]

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 15:36:58 -0800, Winston <Win...@BigBrother.net>
wrote:

>Well, there is no use for _dowsing_ per se.
>
>The tool is 'way more useful in the separation
>of money from governments.
>
>http://www.sniffex-eu.com/sniffex_guide_first.htm
>
>http://sniffexquestions.blogspot.com/
>
>"Mexico’s National Defense Secretariat has spent more than
> $10 million to purchase hundreds of the detectors, similar
> to the “magic wands” in use in Iraq and Afghanistan,
> for its antidrug fight."
>
>--Winston <--Can get you a good deal on Ouija boards

Surely it wouldn't have cost much extra to put some faint images of
the Virgin Mary on those detectors. Penny wise pound foolish.

[Ed Huntress]

"California Rocket Scientist" wrote in message

news:12ajc7db1k9r6hvn9...@4ax.com...

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:17:33 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
<hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:



>>If you want my opinion, I don't know quite what to make of it. There tends
>>to be a thread of superstition and crazy ideas about physics running
>>through
>>some of the posts on this NG, but this one takes the cake. I got right out
>>of it as soon as I heard otherwise intelligent people talking about
>>magnetic
>>fields created by flowing water and telephone repairmen finding
>>underground
>>cables by using two pieces of baling wire.

>Right. If someone were to claim that Santa Claus is real then most of
>the same posters would eviscerate the claim. Although I suppose that
>some of the younger ones might not. What's the average age of posters
>here?

It's pretty high. I'm 63.

>Perhaps I could type up a list of things they should stop
>believing in. Tooth fairy, trickle down etc. :)

It would be a waste of time. These things crop up in the most unlikely
places.

>>As for why they won't claim the million dollars, you'll have to ask them.
>>It
>>defies logic, IMO.

>They could be part of the infamous 1%. I always wondered what they did
>in their spare spare time.

This is 1%, but I don't know 1% of what.

The curious thing is that you'll note a pretty high level of intelligence
overall. There are just these pockets of True Belief, in the sense that Eric
Hoffer used the term.

--
Ed Huntress

[Phil Kangas]

"California Rocket Scientist"

>
> I take it that you don't intend to answer any of
> my questions or
> collect the million. Which I also take to mean
> that you don't really
> believe in your own opinion and can't admit it.
> With a little work you
> could grow to the level of that end of the world
> guy. I thought for
> sure that his own world would end before he
> finally saw the light but
> he proved me wrong.

Up yours, you anonymous posting jackass coward
........ ;>)}

[Larry Jaques]

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 15:36:58 -0800, Winston <Win...@BigBrother.net>
wrote:

$20k for a loose $1 surplus radio antenna swinging from a $0.31
piece of plastic?

_We_ are in the wrong business, my man.

--
Happiness is not a station you arrive at, but a manner of traveling.
-- Margaret Lee Runbeck

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 14:46:25 -0800, Winston <Win...@BigBrother.net>
wrote:

>rangerssuck wrote:
>> On Nov 19, 12:28 am, Winston<Wins...@BigBrother.net> wrote:
>
>(...)
>
>>> Doesn't sound like 'first prize' to me. :)
>>>
>>> --Winston
>>
>> Gunner apparently doesn't understand addiction. Somehow, I'm not
>> surprised.

Im hardly surprised that SucksRangers has firsthand and personal
understanding of personal addiction.

His virtual living at gay bathhouses with a a nose full of blow is well
known.

As for myself..I used up my life savings getting my son clean from being
a meth addict.

Used every cent I had..3 times getting him clean.

He's been clean 8 yrs now and is going to school to be an engineer.

Gunner

>
>I was plenty concerned about the potential.
>I didn't need any more illustrations.
>
>:)
>
>
>--Winston

[Winston]

Larry Jaques wrote:

(...)

> $20k for a loose $1 surplus radio antenna swinging from a $0.31
> piece of plastic?
>
> _We_ are in the wrong business, my man.

Owww. Not *Again!* :)

Apparently Sniffex was the decoy in a stock 'pump and dump' scheme.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniffex

A fraud within a fraud. :)

--Winston<--Enjoys sleeping at night.

[pyotr filipivich]

Winston <Win...@BigBrother.net> on Sun, 20 Nov 2011 14:44:04 -0800

typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>pyotr filipivich teletyped:
>> Winston<Win...@BigBrother.net> on Sat, 19 Nov 2011 13:50:12 -0800
>> typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>
>(...)
>
>>> People do strange things when their corporation has
>>> them frightened literally 'out of their mind'.
>>
>> I had a foreman who was,,, nuts. Some of his nuttiness was "cool"
>> - "Begone thou possessed of multiple psychotic demons!" (Or was it
>> "possessed of psychotic multiple daemons"?) And he did say "please
>> and thank you" - I'll put up with a lot for that.
>> But came the day I'd had enough. Figured I'd call in Friday and
>> say "Tell (whatsisname) the guns told me to say home and clean them.
>> Be back on Monday." I figured one of three things would happen.
>> Nobody would mention it; I'd get fired; he'd quit.
>> Didn't have a chance to find out, he was fired on Wednesday.
>
>My mind reels at what he possibly could have done
>to the bosses son's daughters in order to get fired.
>(I really don't want to know.)

He was ... not very effective as a foreman. What hacked me off
what his pop psychology examination for white women marry black man. I
didn't want to pop his bubble, but ... she was German, not American.

>
>In my former outfit, sabotage, threats and attempted
>murder were grounds for....bonuses and promotion.

Al couldn't even do that effectively.

[Winston]

pyotr filipivich beamed forth:

> Winston<Win...@BigBrother.net> on Sun, 20 Nov 2011 14:44:04 -0800
> typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>> pyotr filipivich teletyped:

(...)

>>> Didn't have a chance to find out, he was fired on Wednesday.
>>
>> My mind reels at what he possibly could have done
>> to the bosses son's daughters in order to get fired.
>> (I really don't want to know.)
>
> He was ... not very effective as a foreman. What hacked me off
> what his pop psychology examination for white women marry black man. I
> didn't want to pop his bubble, but ... she was German, not American.

You might be shocked to learn how little concern I
have about *anyone's* adult consensual bed mate.
INOMFB (It's none of my business.)

>> In my former outfit, sabotage, threats and attempted
>> murder were grounds for....bonuses and promotion.
>
> Al couldn't even do that effectively.

Mystery solved then. :)

--Winston