lLooking for plans to build a gatling gun
william tietz
Bill Tietz
Paul Pierce
49685). THEY USUALLY HAVE ADVERTISEMENTS FOR A 22LR GATLING GUN PLAN SET.
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Nigel Cliffe
> I'm looking for a source to buy plans to build a galting gun.
Neighbours getting on your nerves ?
:-) - Nigel :-)
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Dion Hollenbeck
mcoston (mco...@cyberport.net) wrote:
> In rec.guns, someone posted a message to the effect that it was not
> illeagle to build a Gatling as it is not considered an automatic
> weapon as long as it is hand cranked. (I'm not sure I would stake my
> freedom on a news article tho...)
Tsunami> It's always a good idea to call the BATF and everything, but
Tsunami> as long as a weapon doesn't sustain fire with one trigger
Tsunami> pull, it's not full-auto. A weapon that fires two times
Tsunami> every time you pull the trigger is full-auto, while a weapon
Tsunami> that fires continuously while you turn a crank isn't. Of
Tsunami> course, there are local/state laws, etc.
Regardless of whether a Gatling gun is considered an automatic weapon
or not (and I agree with Tsunami that it is not), it is illegal for
anyone without a BATF Manufacturer's license to build any kind of gun
whatsoever. The specific part which is illegal is manufacturing the
receiver, the part which must carry the serial number and be
registered. You can build any other gun parts you want.
dion
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Ken Marsh
Dion Hollenbeck <hol...@vigra.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Tsunami" == Tsunami <sju...@badlands.NoDak.edu> writes:
>mcoston (mco...@cyberport.net) wrote:
>> In rec.guns, someone posted a message to the effect that it was not
>> illeagle to build a Gatling as it is not considered an automatic
>> weapon as long as it is hand cranked. (I'm not sure I would stake my
>> freedom on a news article tho...)
>
>Tsunami> It's always a good idea to call the BATF and everything, but
Right.
>Regardless of whether a Gatling gun is considered an automatic weapon
>or not (and I agree with Tsunami that it is not), it is illegal for
>anyone without a BATF Manufacturer's license to build any kind of gun
>whatsoever.
Wrong. Guns for personal use conforming to NFA are OK, but not
for resale.
> The specific part which is illegal is manufacturing the
>receiver, the part which must carry the serial number and be
>registered. You can build any other gun parts you want.
Wrong. Possesion of a drop-in auto sear for an AR-15 or M-3 Carbine
could get you into a lot of trouble, even without the rest of
the gun! Installing parts like a flash hider or bayonet lug
or folding stock/hand grip on a post-AW ban long gun can get you
into trouble too.
>dion
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|> >>>>> "Tsunami" == Tsunami <sju...@badlands.NoDak.edu> writes:
|>
|> mcoston (mco...@cyberport.net) wrote:
|>
|> > In rec.guns, someone posted a message to the effect that it was not
|> > illeagle to build a Gatling as it is not considered an automatic
|> > weapon as long as it is hand cranked. (I'm not sure I would stake my
|> > freedom on a news article tho...)
|>
|> Tsunami> It's always a good idea to call the BATF and everything, but
|> Tsunami> pull, it's not full-auto. A weapon that fires two times
|> Tsunami> every time you pull the trigger is full-auto, while a weapon
|> Tsunami> that fires continuously while you turn a crank isn't. Of
|> Tsunami> course, there are local/state laws, etc.
|>
|> or not (and I agree with Tsunami that it is not), it is illegal for
|> anyone without a BATF Manufacturer's license to build any kind of gun
|> receiver, the part which must carry the serial number and be
|> registered.
Only if the firearm is to be sold or transferred to another person.
For personal use no license or special markings are necessary. The
firearm _does_ have to conform to federal NFA restrictions, however.
ke...@radio.org
In Article<ncag1mp...@axel.vigra.com>, <hol...@vigra.com> writes:
> Regardless of whether a Gatling gun is considered an automatic weapon
> or not (and I agree with Tsunami that it is not), it is illegal for
> anyone without a BATF Manufacturer's license to build any kind of gun
> whatsoever. The specific part which is illegal is manufacturing the
> receiver, the part which must carry the serial number and be
Completely false. Any Class I firearm may be constructed without
recourse to any BATF paperwork whatsoever. Nor is a serial number
required. However, you may not offer it for sale, or even give it
away. If you do, *then* you're a manufacturer, and require a
manufacturer's license.
Gary
Mike Rehmus
>Regardless of whether a Gatling gun is considered an automatic weapon
>or not (and I agree with Tsunami that it is not), it is illegal for
>anyone without a BATF Manufacturer's license to build any kind of gun
>whatsoever. The specific part which is illegal is manufacturing the
>receiver, the part which must carry the serial number and be
>registered. You can build any other gun parts you want.
Dion,
I don't think that is correct. According to information contained in
a serialized project to build a single-shot rifle, (HSM, as I recall)
within their set of restrictions, you can build a rifle, you just cannot
sell or give it away. You can will it to another person, however.
Another input.
Mike Rehmus
It's Bib!
handguns, rifles, and shotguns. You can build one of these as long as
it is for personal consumption. You may be required to notify BATF of
the serial #, and it must be legal where you reside.
The title 2 guns include short barreled weapons fired from the
shoulder, breech loaded guns greater than 50 caliber ( that aren't
sporting (?) shotguns), silencers, and machineguns. All but
machineguns can be built as individual pieces after receiving approval
by BATF, which means they have to be legal where you reside and you
have to pay a $200 manufacturing tax per weapon. In this case the
BATF is granting a one-time manufacturing license. About 1000 title
2 firearms are built in the US annually by individuals. If you want
to build one, do it by the rules. $200 is what you'll spend for the
first hour in a lawyers office, where (s)he'll tell you that you can
expect to dish out another $10K in fines and 10 years of your life.
If you're up front and legal, there is no hassle, but if not, think
about changing your name to Weaver or Koresh.
A gatling gun is not illegal because the crank keeps pulling a
trigger. A similar type of device is available for a ruger 10-22
rifle. If you use an electric motor instead of a crank, it becomes a
machine gun since depressing the electric switch is considered one
pull of the trigger.
>>Regardless of whether a Gatling gun is considered an automatic weapon
>>or not (and I agree with Tsunami that it is not), it is illegal for
>>anyone without a BATF Manufacturer's license to build any kind of gun
>>whatsoever. The specific part which is illegal is manufacturing the
>>receiver, the part which must carry the serial number and be
>>registered. You can build any other gun parts you want.
>>dion
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>>Senior Software Engineer Vigra, Inc. San Diego, California
"You might very well think that, but I could not possibly comment." Francis Urquhart "House of Cards"
SARUMAN
>mcoston (mco...@cyberport.net) wrote:
>> In rec.guns, someone posted a message to the effect that it was not
>> illeagle to build a Gatling as it is not considered an automatic
>> weapon as long as it is hand cranked. (I'm not sure I would stake my
>> freedom on a news article tho...)
>Tsunami> It's always a good idea to call the BATF and everything, but
>Tsunami> as long as a weapon doesn't sustain fire with one trigger
>Tsunami> pull, it's not full-auto. A weapon that fires two times
>Tsunami> every time you pull the trigger is full-auto, while a weapon
>Tsunami> that fires continuously while you turn a crank isn't. Of
>Tsunami> course, there are local/state laws, etc.
>Regardless of whether a Gatling gun is considered an automatic weapon
>or not (and I agree with Tsunami that it is not), it is illegal for
>anyone without a BATF Manufacturer's license to build any kind of gun
>whatsoever. The specific part which is illegal is manufacturing the
>receiver, the part which must carry the serial number and be
>registered. You can build any other gun parts you want.
>dion
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>Senior Software Engineer Vigra, Inc. San Diego, California
I suggest you call you're local BATF office and request a FREE copy of their
"Yellow" Book or visit the Treasury Dept's WWW site. There you will find that
Making Fireamrs for your OWN use is perfectly legal as long as you are NOT
prohibited from owning a firearm in the first place I.E. a convicted felon etc.
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>Only if the firearm is to be sold or transferred to another person.
>For personal use no license or special markings are necessary. The
>firearm _does_ have to conform to federal NFA restrictions, however.
>
I've followed this thread, checked out BATF regs, concour with it
being legal and all, but the way its phrased "ZIP" guns would be legal
to make and keep???
Hope this doesn't cause more banter.
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In Article<4ia5sg$8...@bigjohn.bmi.net>, <da...@bmi.net> writes:
> I've followed this thread, checked out BATF regs, concour with it
> being legal and all, but the way its phrased "ZIP" guns would be legal
> to make and keep???
Depends on what you mean by "ZIP" gun. If you mean an improvised
pistol with a pipe barrel, that would be a NFA weapon and require
a $200 tax stamp to make. It's NFA because its a smoothbore pistol.
Gary
Clark Jones
[...]
: Regardless of whether a Gatling gun is considered an automatic weapon
: or not (and I agree with Tsunami that it is not), it is illegal for
: anyone without a BATF Manufacturer's license to build any kind of gun
: whatsoever. The specific part which is illegal is manufacturing the
: receiver, the part which must carry the serial number and be
: registered. You can build any other gun parts you want.
: dion
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Ahh - this explains something else: why muzzle-loading rifles and pistols
aren't subject to most of the "firearms" laws (including the need for a
license to manufacture for sale): NO RECEIVER! ;-)
Clark
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Barry Workman
>You might try the following:
>RG-G Inc.
>P.O. Box 1261
>Conifer, CO 80433-1261
>They advertise Gatling gun plans for a .22 cal. gun (the older ads said they were
>scalable for other calibers) that uses stock material sizes, no castings.
>the plans are $58.33.
>Model Engineering Drawings
>21219 Hwy 1057
>Kentwood, LA 70444
>(504) 229-8160
>They say theirs is scaled down from a full size model of 1874 Gatling. They have
>an info sheet with pic for $3.00 and the full plan set is $39.95
>Notes:
>Both ads were copied from Home Shop Machinist Sept/Oct 1995.
>In rec.guns, someone posted a message to the effect that it was not illeagle to
>build a Gatling as it is not considered an automatic weapon as long as it is hand
>cranked. (I'm not sure I would stake my freedom on a news article tho...)
>If you order either one of these I would be extremly interested in your opinion of
>the drawings.
>Thanx
>Mike
In fact, the law is very clear on the subject. Anyone can manufacture a
single-shot firearm for their own use. Further, firearms manufacturers can
build and sell firearms designed prior to (I think) 1880 and these historical
replicas can be sold without the normal caviats for modern firearms. There
are exceptions, of course, mostly based on availability of metallic cartridges
for these firearms. The Colt Peacemaker cannot be built under the antique
replica clause but any of the non-cartridge firing Colts can.
More to the point, the Gatling gun has been found to be a single shot firearm.
Each round must be chambered in the barrel manually, fired manually, and
extracted manually. That there are multiple bbls is not the issue. The
crank is a manually operated device and as long as it remains hand operated
the firearm is single shot. This has been upheld in the courts.
Now, under the magazine clip capacity limitations, there may be some
problems if you are designing one for anything other than .22 cal.
.22 cal. clips of greater than 10 rounds are still being sold for the
Ruger .22 semi-auto as well as others. My Winchester 74 .22 has a
15 round tubular clip as do many other .22 rifles. However, the definiton
of a clip includes the descriptor of "spring operated". Hence, a large
bin of ammunition that is gravity fed into position becomes a hopper and
not a clip. That's using the letter of the law, folks, check with your
local NRA chapter before going too far on that one. BTW if you have an
interest in building your own firearms and you are NOT a member of the
NRA, join. I don't always agree with them, but I don't always agree with
anyone. I find that the information they can provide is most useful and
they ALWAYS know what the laws are in your area.
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>Gary
A little simplistic. The Brown Bess is a musket and smoothbore. You
can build one of those under the antique/replica clause. The same
with any flint or percussion fired firearm. I think that smoothebore
and cartridge are the deciding factors.
Zip guns from my youth were made from anything starting with the
telescoping car antennas for .22 cartridges to the steering column
from a Nash Rambler for .45. The barrels were fastened to a grip
usually with electricians tape and the hammer was made from any
flat piece of steel. Rubber bands were used as the firing spring.
The hammer was pulled back and held. The cartridge was inserted,
the zip gun pointed, and the hammer released. As many times as not,
the person using the D@#$*d thing was injured in the explosion.
Newton's third law and all that.
Even with a BATF stamp, you cannot legally manufacture one of those
things and I seem to recall that there is a definition of zip guns
in the BATF regulations. It used to be posted in the Post Office
along with automatic weapons. BTW, the Ducks Foot pistol is
legal even though you pull the trigger once and fire three shots. :-)
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Robert Patelke
snips
> Now, under the magazine clip capacity limitations, there may be some
> problems if you are designing one for anything other than .22 cal.
> .22 cal. clips of greater than 10 rounds are still being sold for the
> Ruger .22 semi-auto as well as others.
> - Barry Workman
>
I believe that the high capacity magazine ban only applied to semi-auto
firearms; also that although new manufacture is banned, existing hi-caps were
grandfathered.
Rob
Russ Kepler
I know of several of the RG&G magazines that exist under the
grandfather clause.
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>Subject: Re: lLooking for plans to build a gatling gun
>From: way...@wave.sheridan.wy.us (Robert Patelke)
>Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 13:56:42 GMT
>ba...@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us (Barry Workman) wrote:
>snips
>> Now, under the magazine clip capacity limitations, there may be some
>> problems if you are designing one for anything other than .22 cal.
>> .22 cal. clips of greater than 10 rounds are still being sold for the
>> Ruger .22 semi-auto as well as others.
>> - Barry Workman
>>
>I believe that the high capacity magazine ban only applied to semi-auto
>firearms; also that although new manufacture is banned, existing hi-caps were
>grandfathered.
>Rob
DIXIE GUN WORKS, INC. has plans for gatling gun for sale at least in the 95
catalog I have. The address is Dixie Gun Works, Inc. Gunpowder Lane Union
City, Tennessee 38261. Phone (901) 995-0700
Gus Petroski Gu...@uwyo.edu
Larry Smith
> If you want
> to build one, do it by the rules. $200 is what you'll spend for the
> first hour in a lawyers office, where (s)he'll tell you that you can
> expect to dish out another $10K in fines and 10 years of your life.
> If you're up front and legal, there is no hassle, but if not, think
> about changing your name to Weaver or Koresh.
The problem with this little observation is that the gov't never found
the illegal weapons they were looking for in Waco, Koresh _was_ all paid
up. And as for Weaver, the jury is back in, it was entrapment, pure and
simple. If the BATF decides they want to kill you, they don't _need_ a
legal reason - they just do it, and then stonewall through the trial and
the Congressional investigation. And it works.
The advice about getting the permit is good...but it merely reduces the
likelihood of the BATF stormtroopers shooting your wife and burning your
children, it doesn't eliminate it.