Homemade cannon laws

[Ignoramus31152]

I was going to make a cannon from a 1.25" diameter piece of 8620 steel
and a steel base.

My question is, are there legal limitations on the size, caliber etc.

Thanks

i

[Pete C.]

I'm sure there are, especially in your area. I do know that in PA there
is a cannon club ($$$ clearly) that shoots real full sized custom made
cannons competitively. I saw some of the cannon forgings being bored
when I was doing a CNC repair at a shop that specialized in gun drilling
years ago. On the safer end of things, with all the toys you have and
your semis, you should look at entering the pumpkin chucking contest.

[Ignoramus31152]

A pumpkin cannon would look pretty cool on top of my M927 truck:

http://www.govliquidation.com/auction/view?auctionId=6298764

I do have a tow behind compressor (needs to be sold, no time to test
it). Accumulator tanks I usually get fr less than scrap.

i

[Paul K. Dickman]

"Ignoramus31152" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.31152.invalid> wrote in message
news:0bSdnd1qoNomkDDM...@giganews.com...

If it is muzzle loading, it is not considered a firearm and there does not
have to conform to the destructive device portion of the NFA. So any bore
size is legal.

Firing it, however, may break any number of local ordinances.
Even firing blank loads will probably get you a free cavity search.

Paul K. Dickman

[et...@whidbey.com]

Hey Igor,
If you are making a black powder cannon I have some advice. First of
all is the bore. Just under wine bottle cork size is a good size. That
way you don't need to stuff a wad of some sort into the bore, just
shove in a ready made cork. I'm not sure that I would use 1.25
material for a .8 dia bore though. I like 1/2 inch wall thickness just
to be totally sure the cannon will never split. You should ALWAYS use
some sort of plug in the bore because when lighting the fuse there is
a possibility that a spark will fly off the fuse and land in the
cannon bore and set off the charge. I have seen this happen. If the
cannon is just for making noise then a mortar is best. The barrel
points straight up. 6 or 7 inches is plenty long enough for the
barrel. Use a wide base. The cannon will pretty much stay in the same
place. If using corks they will only fly into the air a little way and
sometimes you can catch them when they fall. The type of powder used
matters as far as noise is concerned. Pyrodex is not as loud as just
regular old black powder. I don't know what Pyrodex is made from, I do
know that it is not the same formula as black powder. It is probably
safer or smokes less or something. Use fffg powder. The finer grain
size is louder. Drill a 1/8 hole for the fuse. Make up a little powder
gage for adding powder to the cannon. A pill bottle with a line drawn
on it works well. It is much better to pour the powder into a measure
and then pour from the measure into the cannon. Black powder is ultra
sensitive to the tiniest of sparks so be really careful whenever the
powder can is open. Black powder cannons are lots of fun as noise
makers but you need to make sure that you are always in control of the
cannon and powder. To illustrate the power I have seen a 55 gallon
steel drum placed over a cannon with a .8 bore filled about two inches
deep with powder launch over 40 feet in the air when the cannon went
off. The barrel was open at one end and this end was placed on the
ground and tipped up so the cannon could be placed under the barrel.
The fuse was lit and the barrel was tipped back down so that it rested
firmly on the ground. A paper wad used in the cannon left a big dent
in the drum bottom. Anyway, have fun!
ERS

[Ignoramus31152]

Sounds fun. Ultimately, it is a simple lathe and milling project. I
will post updates when I have something. Thanks for great advice.

i

[Bob Engelhardt]

"Homemade" cannon laws? - I don't think so. You can't make your own
cannon laws. Only the legislature can make cannon laws.

Sorry, I couldn't help it. Now back to serious replies.

Bob

[Paul Drahn]

Here is the URL for the annual cannon shoot held every Memorial Day
weekend.

http://www.lonepinecannon.com/

just a few miles from my house.

Paul

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 03 Jun 2013 18:22:54 -0700, et...@whidbey.com wrote:

>A pill bottle with a line drawn
>on it works well. It is much better to pour the powder into a measure
>and then pour from the measure into the cannon.

Pouring from a measure into the bore is a REQUIREMENT.
Anything else is a fatality waiting to happen

Hot coals/embers have been known to linger in the bore for many many
minutes


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[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 03 Jun 2013 20:21:19 -0500, Ignoramus31152

.8 is a good size. Now on the other hand..if you have access to golf
balls......

<VBG>

Gunner

[Stanley Schaefer]

On Jun 3, 3:42 pm, Ignoramus31152 <ignoramus31...@NOSPAM.

Got to be muzzleloading if using powder, no fixed ammo, no exploding
projectiles. Skates into legality under the antique/muzzleloading
firearm exemptions of GCA 68. Other than that, no limits. Guys make
bowling ball mortars out of large oxygen tanks with surplus mortar
bipods and baseplates. Too large and you have problems with making/
obtaining projectiles(as well as finding a place to shoot). If it's
breechloading , uses fixed ammo and over .5" bore, it's a Destructive
Device and needs approval from the feds as well as being taxed,
shotguns being sporting arms are specifically exempted from that. Now
that's federal law, what the liberal sump states and IL have for state
and local laws, you'll have to find out on your own. A lot of guys
make small muzzleloading cannon replicas, they're perfectly legal.
Just remember what you have is a real gun there when you get it all
done.

Stan

[bret.g...@gmail.com]

can someone tell me if its illegal to build a blackpowder cannon that shoots a marble in ohio

[Larry Jaques]

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 21:36:51 -0700 (PDT), bret.g...@gmail.com
wrote:

I'm pretty sure it's illegal in all of Obama's 57 states.

--
I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the
freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachment of
those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.
--James Madison

[Ed Huntress]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 06:18:59 -0700, Larry Jaques
<lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 21:36:51 -0700 (PDT), bret.g...@gmail.com
>wrote:
>
>>On Monday, June 3, 2013 at 5:42:19 PM UTC-4, Ignoramus31152 wrote:
>>> I was going to make a cannon from a 1.25" diameter piece of 8620 steel
>>> and a steel base.
>>>
>>> My question is, are there legal limitations on the size, caliber etc.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> i
>>
>>can someone tell me if its illegal to build a blackpowder cannon that shoots a marble in ohio
>
>I'm pretty sure it's illegal in all of Obama's 57 states.

It varies by state. Some states have a maximum bore; others (like NJ)
outlaw them altogether.

--
Ed Huntress

[Martin Eastburn]

Fast cannon Ed missed your 57 states ? Who did we add after Alaska ?
Been 50 for some time and 49 and 48 for a long time.

Martin

[Larry Jaques]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 20:53:10 -0500, Martin Eastburn
<lion...@consolidated.net> wrote:

>Fast cannon Ed missed your 57 states ? Who did we add after Alaska ?
>Been 50 for some time and 49 and 48 for a long time.

Martin, President Barry said there were 57 states of America. Oops,
it was pointed out that there are 57 OIC Islamic states instead.

Mea culpa: It turns out that black powder cannons are legal in many
states, including the Republik of Kalifornia, even though they can
fire projectiles. They kill so few people, though, I'm surprised that
the Libs don't jump all over them like they do "assault rifles".

[Ed Huntress]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 20:53:10 -0500, Martin Eastburn
<lion...@consolidated.net> wrote:

>Fast cannon Ed missed your 57 states ? Who did we add after Alaska ?
>Been 50 for some time and 49 and 48 for a long time.
>
>Martin

No, I didn't miss that stupid remark. He meant 47 states. Do you know
the context?

--
Ed Huntress

[Ed Huntress]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:22:02 -0700, Larry Jaques
<lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 20:53:10 -0500, Martin Eastburn
><lion...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>
>>Fast cannon Ed missed your 57 states ? Who did we add after Alaska ?
>>Been 50 for some time and 49 and 48 for a long time.
>
>Martin, President Barry said there were 57 states of America. Oops,
>it was pointed out that there are 57 OIC Islamic states instead.

Not true. That number is around 52. Obama meant 47 states. Do you know
why he meant 47 rather than 50?

--
Ed Huntress

[Tom Gardner]

I do know that fully automatic cannons are illegal...I checked!

[Larry Jaques]

On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 10:20:36 -0400, Tom Gardner <Ma...@tacks.com>
wrote:

WHAT? No chance of a GAU-8 or GAU-22 following us home some day?
Darn!
http://www.defensetech.org/2015/01/02/a-tale-of-two-gatling-guns-f-35-vs-a-10/
(the gats are considered autocannons)

[Gunner Asch]

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 21:36:51 -0700 (PDT), bret.g...@gmail.com
wrote:

No, its not illegal.


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[Tom Gardner]

On 8/13/2016 12:30 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> I do know that fully automatic cannons are illegal...I checked!
>
> WHAT? No chance of a GAU-8 or GAU-22 following us home some day?
> Darn!
> http://www.defensetech.org/2015/01/02/a-tale-of-two-gatling-guns-f-35-vs-a-10/
> (the gats are considered autocannons)
>
> --

My weapon of choice:
http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=748

[Larry Jaques]

On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 18:08:42 -0400, Tom Gardner <Ma...@tacks.com>
wrote:

What, they can't even toss a grenade a whole mile? Man, those look
like fun. Performance is way faster than our Mk 19, but who needs to
fire 350 grenades per minute? 40-60rpm is pretty fast, IMHO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZYvCUSusQI 25 min of fun

[goodsoldi...@geemail.org]

On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 14:57:37 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 21:36:51 -0700 (PDT), bret.g...@gmail.com
>wrote:
>
>>On Monday, June 3, 2013 at 5:42:19 PM UTC-4, Ignoramus31152 wrote:
>>> I was going to make a cannon from a 1.25" diameter piece of 8620 steel
>>> and a steel base.
>>>
>>> My question is, are there legal limitations on the size, caliber etc.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> i
>>
>>can someone tell me if its illegal to build a blackpowder cannon that shoots a marble in ohio
>
>No, its not illegal.
>

Yawn,

Ohio Revised Code
Title [29] XXIX CRIMES - PROCEDURE
Chapter 2923: CONSPIRACY, ATTEMPT, AND COMPLICITY; WEAPONS CONTROL;

(3) Any cannon or other artillery piece that, regardless of its actual
age, is of a type in accepted use prior to 1887, has no mechanical,
hydraulic, pneumatic, or other system for absorbing recoil and
returning the tube into battery without displacing the carriage, and
is designed and safe for use only with black powder;

(4) Black powder, priming quills, and percussion caps possessed and
lawfully used to fire a cannon of a type defined in division (L)(3) of
this section during displays, celebrations, organized matches or
shoots, and target practice, and smokeless and black powder, primers,
and percussion caps possessed and lawfully used as a propellant or
ignition device in small-arms or small-arms ammunition;

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Cheers,

Schweik

[Martin Eastburn]

Doesn't count the Left states ? Maybe No Hawaii, Illinois and Kansas.
Martin

[Ed Huntress]

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 21:36:29 -0500, Martin Eastburn

<lion...@consolidated.net> wrote:

>Doesn't count the Left states ? Maybe No Hawaii, Illinois and Kansas.
>Martin
>
>On 8/13/2016 6:54 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 20:53:10 -0500, Martin Eastburn
>> <lion...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Fast cannon Ed missed your 57 states ? Who did we add after Alaska ?
>>> Been 50 for some time and 49 and 48 for a long time.
>>>
>>> Martin
>>
>> No, I didn't miss that stupid remark. He meant 47 states. Do you know
>> the context?

It was something he said at a campaign stop in Oregon. You're right
about Hawaii:

"... it is just wonderful to be back in Oregon, and over the last 15
months we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now
been in fifty .... seven states? I think one left to go. One left to
go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really
wanted to visit but my staff would not justify it."

He caught himself and corrected it at a later campaign stop. "I
understand I said there were 57 states today. It's a sign that my
numeracy is getting a little, uh ..."

--
Ed Huntress

[Larry Jaques]

On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 21:36:29 -0500, Martin Eastburn

<lion...@consolidated.net> wrote:

>Doesn't count the Left states ? Maybe No Hawaii, Illinois and Kansas.
>Martin
>
>On 8/13/2016 6:54 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 20:53:10 -0500, Martin Eastburn
>> <lion...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Fast cannon Ed missed your 57 states ? Who did we add after Alaska ?
>>> Been 50 for some time and 49 and 48 for a long time.
>>>
>>> Martin
>>
>> No, I didn't miss that stupid remark. He meant 47 states. Do you know
>> the context?

Aw, you're just a Barry kiss-ass, Mr. Ed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

[Ed Huntress]

On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 08:15:27 -0700, Larry Jaques
<lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 21:36:29 -0500, Martin Eastburn
><lion...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>
>>Doesn't count the Left states ? Maybe No Hawaii, Illinois and Kansas.
>>Martin
>>
>>On 8/13/2016 6:54 AM, Ed Huntress wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 20:53:10 -0500, Martin Eastburn
>>> <lion...@consolidated.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fast cannon Ed missed your 57 states ? Who did we add after Alaska ?
>>>> Been 50 for some time and 49 and 48 for a long time.
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>
>>> No, I didn't miss that stupid remark. He meant 47 states. Do you know
>>> the context?
>
>Aw, you're just a Barry kiss-ass, Mr. Ed.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

That's what I said. Get the wax out of your ears, Larry.

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Ed Huntress