Bought a very interesting table

[Ignoramus17710]

Actually a couple of them, here are some pictures. Called pneumatic
assembyl tables.

http://igor.chudov.com/misc/ebay/tmp/Elgin-2/71-1-2.jpg
http://igor.chudov.com/misc/ebay/tmp/Elgin-2/71-2-2.jpg

I have not yet picked them up, but they seem to have a pneumatic
function to pop up those balls to roll heavy items on the table, and
then to retract those balls down for, say, welding or when you need
the item to lay firmly in position.

If they are steel, I will keep one for sure to use as a welding
table. They have lights and so on.

i

[Larry Jaques]

Nice! I wonder how much weight they'll be able to handle.

--
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[Existential Angst]

"Ignoramus17710" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.17710.invalid> wrote in message
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Looks like they are at least 36" high.
Will you be cutting the legs, to make them 30" tall?
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> i

[Ignoramus26793]

I do not think that they are as tall as you say, but we'll see.

i

[Existential Angst]

"Ignoramus26793" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.26793.invalid> wrote in message
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Well, if they ARE 36", what will you do????
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> i
>

[Ignoramus26793]

On 2013-05-20, Existential Angst <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
> "Ignoramus26793" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.26793.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hO2dnSuYksJ0nAfM...@giganews.com...
>> On 2013-05-20, Existential Angst <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>> "Ignoramus17710" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.17710.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:vJidnc8G2L7QAQTM...@giganews.com...
>>>> Actually a couple of them, here are some pictures. Called pneumatic
>>>> assembyl tables.
>>>>
>>>> http://igor.chudov.com/misc/ebay/tmp/Elgin-2/71-1-2.jpg
>>>> http://igor.chudov.com/misc/ebay/tmp/Elgin-2/71-2-2.jpg
>>>>
>>>> I have not yet picked them up, but they seem to have a pneumatic
>>>> function to pop up those balls to roll heavy items on the table, and
>>>> then to retract those balls down for, say, welding or when you need
>>>> the item to lay firmly in position.
>>>>
>>>> If they are steel, I will keep one for sure to use as a welding
>>>> table. They have lights and so on.
>>>
>>> Looks like they are at least 36" high.
>>> Will you be cutting the legs, to make them 30" tall?
>>
>> I do not think that they are as tall as you say, but we'll see.
>
> Well, if they ARE 36", what will you do????

I would keep them as they are.

i

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

Ignoramus26793 <ignoram...@NOSPAM.26793.invalid> fired this volley in
news:d4ednWviEeU1xQfM...@giganews.com:

>> Well, if they ARE 36", what will you do????
>
> I would keep them as they are.

Yeah, if someone wanted one, they might also want it full-height. If they
want it shorter, let them cut it down.

Lloyd

[Existential Angst]

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
news:XnsA1C6865327BC1ll...@216.168.3.70...

Which woulda been the common-sense approach to Ig's previous welding tables,
but he INSISTED on 30" -- despite many good alternative suggestions.
Mebbe Ig has a chiropractic side-bidniss??
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>
> Lloyd
>

[whoyakidding's ghost]

My welding table has two levels, about 28" and 40". Small projects go
on the high part which is adjustable... well, maybe you can guess the
rest. But more likely you'll just make up some nonsense rather than
admit that low tables are perfect for a lot of projects, and easy to
add a block or whatever for smaller parts.

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

whoyakidding's ghost <whoyak...@hotmail.com> fired this volley in
news:l4nkp8lo56bbnmijp...@4ax.com:

> ow tables are perfect for a lot of projects

My welding table is 33", and for my height, that's about optimum for
anything I'd want to do standing up.

Lloyd

[Existential Angst]

"whoyakidding's ghost" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Well, just like you couldn't grok the *statistical nature* of the ill-design
of the Volt, you apparently can't unnerstand the statistical nature of
welding:
What are the most LIKELY (or libel?? lol) uses of a typical welding table??

Dollars to donuts, for the avg shop use, 40"+ is far more useful.
And no, adding height-raising blocks'n'shit to a low welding is NOT so
straightforward, depending of course on the parts to be welded.
Much easier to stand on a crate or sumpn for big stuff on a tall table.

Also, most TIGing, brazing, etc is better done on a tall table.

As was once explained on SEJW, the table should be at ELBOW height.

If you got both, fine.
Speaking of multiples, how are your other eleven Volts coming along??
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EA

[whoyakidding's ghost]

I end up doing lots of stuff on the floor because my table's too high.
I might buy one of those elevating tables, even a small one would be
handy. My existing table has storage underneath for short pieces and I
wouldn't want to give that up, so I'd end up with two tables. I could
probably stand the elevating one up against a wall to save space... if
I had any room along the walls. :)

[whoyakidding's ghost]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 13:43:47 -0400, "Existential Angst"

The statistical part of the Volt is EASY for objective minds: five
year cost lower than comparable vehicles, as I've told you multiple
times, and you continue to ignore.

>, you apparently can't unnerstand the statistical nature of
>welding:

There is no need to be limited to "statistics" when welding. Different
projects require different setups, which when it comes to tables are
cheap and easy.

>What are the most LIKELY (or libel?? lol) uses of a typical welding table??

It depends. Shocking, I know.

>
>Dollars to donuts, for the avg shop use, 40"+ is far more useful.

Apparently in your mind, the "average shop" is limited to one table
height. I guess I'm above average!

>And no, adding height-raising blocks'n'shit to a low welding is NOT so
>straightforward, depending of course on the parts to be welded.
>Much easier to stand on a crate or sumpn for big stuff on a tall table.

LOL Your ability to rationalize never ceases to amaze me. I've stood
on all sorts of crap and ladders while welding, but having to do that
on account of being held hostage to table height dogma is a new one on
me.

>
>Also, most TIGing, brazing, etc is better done on a tall table.

I do most of my TIG while sitting on a bar-height chair, with the work
clamped to the adjustable high part of my table. I would NOT want the
entire table to be that height.

>
>As was once explained on SEJW, the table should be at ELBOW height.

No, the table should be at a suitable height for the project at hand.

>If you got both, fine.

Finally!

>Speaking of multiples, how are your other eleven Volts coming along??

If I wanted another 11 Volts, I could write a check. That's reality,
as opposed to the Angstmobile, which is exactly as stupid and as
likely as the cull.

[Existential Angst]

"whoyakidding's ghost" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:ivokp8thdfrr1veg9...@4ax.com...

That was only part of my point. And you can't even calc a legit ROI until a
repair history is known.
Plus most volts get relatively few miles put on them, which further skews
the analysis.... I know, a bit over yer head, sorry.

>
>>, you apparently can't unnerstand the statistical nature of
>>welding:
>
> There is no need to be limited to "statistics" when welding. Different
> projects require different setups, which when it comes to tables are
> cheap and easy.
>
>>What are the most LIKELY (or libel?? lol) uses of a typical welding
>>table??
>
> It depends. Shocking, I know.
>>
>>Dollars to donuts, for the avg shop use, 40"+ is far more useful.
>
> Apparently in your mind, the "average shop" is limited to one table
> height. I guess I'm above average!

No, it's your AQ (assaholic quotient) that'ss way above average.

The context here is some-time welding, not a dedicated welding shop.
How much welding does the avg home shop or even machining job shop do?
Not much, in my experience.

If you do LOTS of welding, well, then get/make an adjustable table. There
were a number of suggestions to ig along those lines.... all of which he
ig'd.

>
>>And no, adding height-raising blocks'n'shit to a low welding is NOT so
>>straightforward, depending of course on the parts to be welded.
>>Much easier to stand on a crate or sumpn for big stuff on a tall table.
>
> LOL Your ability to rationalize never ceases to amaze me. I've stood
> on all sorts of crap and ladders while welding, but having to do that
> on account of being held hostage to table height dogma is a new one on
> me.

Again, it depends on how much welding is being done in a location.
For most shops, people doing occasional welding, elbow height it highly
ergonomic, from a variety of pov's -- the back, visual, manual dexterity,
placement, etc.
But it seems explaining the elbow-height table advantages to assholes is
like tryna explain good pussy to a confirmed fagit..... perhaps an apt
analogy here.

>>
>>Also, most TIGing, brazing, etc is better done on a tall table.
>
> I do most of my TIG while sitting on a bar-height chair, with the work
> clamped to the adjustable high part of my table. I would NOT want the
> entire table to be that height.

Fine. Again, for occasional welding most people will not want to go thru
alladat.
My welding table is 1/8 HR on 3/4" ply, braced on 2x4's in a blind
alcove.... quick, cheap, simple. And 42" high.
Serves many other functions, since I don't weld much anymore.

>>
>>As was once explained on SEJW, the table should be at ELBOW height.
>
> No, the table should be at a suitable height for the project at hand.

Statistics, statistics.... and context, context.... again....

>
>>If you got both, fine.
>
> Finally!
>
>>Speaking of multiples, how are your other eleven Volts coming along??
>
> If I wanted another 11 Volts, I could write a check. That's reality,
> as opposed to the Angstmobile, which is exactly as stupid and as
> likely as the cull.

Heh, the reality, as per jb's last article on the Volt, is that GM engineers
are now leaning more toward the AngstMobile than Kidding's
Ascot-fluttering-in-the-wind Planetary GearMobile.
You still don't get it. Really, if you want anyone besides PlimpBoi to
throw you a fish, yer gonna haveta study harder. arf arf clap clap <no
fish this time, for kidding>
--
EA

[Ignoramus26793]

On 2013-05-20, Existential Angst <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:

A WELDOR can add a couple of inches to a WELDING table.

Even an owner of a 2x6 wooden board could do the same.

i

[whoyakidding's ghost]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 14:41:36 -0400, "Existential Angst"

<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:

>"whoyakidding's ghost" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:ivokp8thdfrr1veg9...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 13:43:47 -0400, "Existential Angst"
>> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"whoyakidding's ghost" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:l4nkp8lo56bbnmijp...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 13:17:14 -0400, "Existential Angst"
>>>> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:XnsA1C6865327BC1ll...@216.168.3.70...
>>>>>> Ignoramus26793 <ignoram...@NOSPAM.26793.invalid> fired this volley
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> news:d4ednWviEeU1xQfM...@giganews.com:

>>>Well, just like you couldn't grok the *statistical nature* of the
>>>ill-design
>>>of the Volt
>>
>> The statistical part of the Volt is EASY for objective minds: five
>> year cost lower than comparable vehicles, as I've told you multiple
>> times, and you continue to ignore.
>
>That was only part of my point. And you can't even calc a legit ROI until a
>repair history is known.
>Plus most volts get relatively few miles put on them, which further skews
>the analysis.... I know, a bit over yer head, sorry.

Nothing you've ever written is over the head of the average 12 year
old. Your primary skill seems to be making stupid rationalizations.

>If you do LOTS of welding, well, then get/make an adjustable table. There
>were a number of suggestions to ig along those lines.... all of which he
>ig'd.

You're obsessed with this table height thing. I have a home shop and
an adjustable table. No big deal for me or anyone else.

>Again, it depends on how much welding is being done in a location.

No, even the most occasional welder can have an adjustable table, or
an add on shelf or whatever. It's a simple thing except for somebody
making up excuses.

>> I do most of my TIG while sitting on a bar-height chair, with the work
>> clamped to the adjustable high part of my table. I would NOT want the
>> entire table to be that height.
>
>Fine. Again, for occasional welding most people will not want to go thru
>alladat.

There is no "alladat."

>My welding table is 1/8 HR on 3/4" ply, braced on 2x4's in a blind
>alcove.... quick, cheap, simple. And 42" high.

Good for you. That doesn't mean that most other tables need to be any
particular height.

>Serves many other functions, since I don't weld much anymore.

Something tells me you never did much welding if you think that an
adjustable table is some kind of production shop thing.

The reality of you claiming that an adjustable welding table is a big
deal is bloody funny considering that a couple weeks ago you were
imagining how you could build an entire car and do a better job than
GM or Toyota.

>>>Speaking of multiples, how are your other eleven Volts coming along??
>>
>> If I wanted another 11 Volts, I could write a check. That's reality,
>> as opposed to the Angstmobile, which is exactly as stupid and as
>> likely as the cull.
>
>Heh, the reality, as per jb's last article on the Volt, is that GM engineers
>are now leaning more toward the AngstMobile than Kidding's
>Ascot-fluttering-in-the-wind Planetary GearMobile.

No, there has been talk of many different things, but there will never
be an Angstmobile from GM or anyone else. But I don't expect that to
prevent you pretending otherwise rather than working toward buying
something.

[whoyakidding's ghost]

Exactly. Which reminds me of what I found strange about your table
sales. Why would a welder pay to have a plate with four legs shipped?
I'm amazed you could sell even one, but damned if you didn't prove
that a market exists. Maybe you could expand on the concept. Sell
cupcakes and cookies to bakers? :)

[Pete C.]

I lucked out on my all-purpose work table. I found a power height
adjustable base unit at a surplus store for $50, apparently something
had fallen on the switch and jammed it down, a few min of work freed the
jammed actuator (1 of 2) and a new switch fixed the rest. I replaced the
adjustable feet with a set of HD swivel locking casters for mobility and
made a 4'x6' top of double 3/4" ply topped with a sheet of laminate I
had on hand and some oak edging. After nearly a decade of use including
TIG welding it has a few discolored spots in the oak edge and a couple
burns in the laminate, but otherwise it's in great shape.

[Existential Angst]

"whoyakidding's ghost" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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You could have a remote point if you knew the fukn diff between rationale
and rationalization.
But since you don't.... think of yer difficulty with liable vs. libel...
LOL!!!!!
Yeah, NOW you know the diff, since you just googled it.... lol

>
>>If you do LOTS of welding, well, then get/make an adjustable table. There
>>were a number of suggestions to ig along those lines.... all of which he
>>ig'd.
>
> You're obsessed with this table height thing. I have a home shop and
> an adjustable table. No big deal for me or anyone else.

Here's the simple deal for Welding PeaBrains:

Make a 28" table, and see a fukn chiropractor, and have shelving/risers up
the ass, for all the shit for which you wish you had had a 42" table.
Or have a 42" table, which for most people will suffice for 95%+ of their
welding needs, and once in a blue moon stand on a crate for taller stuff.

Btw, you can weld goodly-sized stuff on a 42" table without much ado.

Elbow-height worktables in general is a distinctly superior ergonomic
height.

>
>>Again, it depends on how much welding is being done in a location.
>
> No, even the most occasional welder can have an adjustable table, or
> an add on shelf or whatever. It's a simple thing except for somebody
> making up excuses.
>
>>> I do most of my TIG while sitting on a bar-height chair, with the work
>>> clamped to the adjustable high part of my table. I would NOT want the
>>> entire table to be that height.
>>
>>Fine. Again, for occasional welding most people will not want to go thru
>>alladat.
>
> There is no "alladat."
>
>>My welding table is 1/8 HR on 3/4" ply, braced on 2x4's in a blind
>>alcove.... quick, cheap, simple. And 42" high.
>
> Good for you. That doesn't mean that most other tables need to be any
> particular height.

Ahhhh, but for most run-of-the-mill welding, it should. You still don't
understand statistics, and are libel to never understand statistics.

>
>>Serves many other functions, since I don't weld much anymore.
>
> Something tells me you never did much welding if you think that an
> adjustable table is some kind of production shop thing.

whatever....

>
> The reality of you claiming that an adjustable welding table is a big
> deal is bloody funny considering that a couple weeks ago you were
> imagining how you could build an entire car and do a better job than
> GM or Toyota.

Heh, GM apparently thinks they shoulda done a better job -- or spend $0.1
BIL, instead of $1-2 BIL -- along with the 300,000,000 Merkins not buying
the volt, eh??
And god help GM when toyater/honder gets in the serieshybrid show.

>
>>>>Speaking of multiples, how are your other eleven Volts coming along??
>>>
>>> If I wanted another 11 Volts, I could write a check. That's reality,
>>> as opposed to the Angstmobile, which is exactly as stupid and as
>>> likely as the cull.
>>
>>Heh, the reality, as per jb's last article on the Volt, is that GM
>>engineers
>>are now leaning more toward the AngstMobile than Kidding's
>>Ascot-fluttering-in-the-wind Planetary GearMobile.
>
> No, there has been talk of many different things, but there will never
> be an Angstmobile from GM or anyone else. But I don't expect that to
> prevent you pretending otherwise rather than working toward buying
> something.

Working toward buying what??
When I need a new car, I'll decide amongst the Leaf, the prius, or the
second gen Volt -- or whatever.
I don't really need to color-coordinate a driving outfit/gloves/ascot with
my car, donchaknow....
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>

[whoyakidding's ghost]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 17:26:00 -0400, "Existential Angst"

<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:

>"whoyakidding's ghost" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:hc0lp8lbg8vu77k5e...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 14:41:36 -0400, "Existential Angst"
>> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"whoyakidding's ghost" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:ivokp8thdfrr1veg9...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 13:43:47 -0400, "Existential Angst"
>>>> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"whoyakidding's ghost" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:l4nkp8lo56bbnmijp...@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 13:17:14 -0400, "Existential Angst"
>>>>>> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:XnsA1C6865327BC1ll...@216.168.3.70...
>>>>>>>> Ignoramus26793 <ignoram...@NOSPAM.26793.invalid> fired this
>>>>>>>> volley
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> news:d4ednWviEeU1xQfM...@giganews.com:

>> You're obsessed with this table height thing. I have a home shop and
>> an adjustable table. No big deal for me or anyone else.
>
>Here's the simple deal for Welding PeaBrains:
>
>Make a 28" table, and see a fukn chiropractor, and have shelving/risers up
>the ass, for all the shit for which you wish you had had a 42" table.
>Or have a 42" table, which for most people will suffice for 95%+ of their
>welding needs, and once in a blue moon stand on a crate for taller stuff.

I've been using my current table for about 15 years. I'm in my 60s and
have never been to a chiropractor in my life. So you're full of shit
as usual.

>Btw, you can weld goodly-sized stuff on a 42" table without much ado.

Sure, it will be perfect for the low spots and you can climb a ladder
or whatever for the high spots. A lower table might eliminate the need
for the climbing, and the low spots can be done sitting down. Whatever
works best, no need to obsess that anything other than certain height
is crazy, or to follow Ig around beating a dead horse.

>> No, there has been talk of many different things, but there will never
>> be an Angstmobile from GM or anyone else. But I don't expect that to
>> prevent you pretending otherwise rather than working toward buying
>> something.
>
>Working toward buying what??

The Volt that you obviously want but can't afford. Like a 10 year old
boy who's sweet on a girl and shows it by holding a spider under her
nose.

>When I need a new car, I'll decide amongst the Leaf, the prius, or the
>second gen Volt -- or whatever.

Whoyakidding? You'd buy a Volt right now if the dealer would sell you
one with zero down and low enough payments. The irony is that you
might be able to afford regular payments if you'd use your time
productively instead of endlessly posting your crackpot ideas. Face
it, you're going to post at least another dozen rants about table
height, and probably another couple hundred on EVs. But you won't say
one new thing, and other than avoiding work you'll accomplish nothing.

[jon_banquer]

On May 20, 2:59 pm, whoyakidding's ghost <whoyakidd...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, 20 May 2013 17:26:00 -0400, "Existential Angst"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:

> >"whoyakidding's ghost" <whoyakidd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> >news:hc0lp8lbg8vu77k5e...@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 20 May 2013 14:41:36 -0400, "Existential Angst"
> >> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>

> >>>"whoyakidding's ghost" <whoyakidd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> >>>news:ivokp8thdfrr1veg9...@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 13:43:47 -0400, "Existential Angst"
> >>>> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>

> >>>>>"whoyakidding's ghost" <whoyakidd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> >>>>>news:l4nkp8lo56bbnmijp...@4ax.com...
> >>>>>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 13:17:14 -0400, "Existential Angst"
> >>>>>> <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>news:XnsA1C6865327BC1ll...@216.168.3.70...

> >>>>>>>> Ignoramus26793 <ignoramus26...@NOSPAM.26793.invalid> fired this

http://techcrunch.com/2009/09/03/are-chevy-volt-buyers-idiots-audis-american-president-thinks-so/

"The Audi of America President talked to MSN autos and had some strong
feelings about the upcoming Chevy Volt. He states in part that the
Chevy Volt will fail because there isn’t enough idiots to pay a $15k
premium for a car that competes with the Toyota Corolla."

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1034927_audi-usa-president-explains-chevy-volt-idiots-comment

"de Nysschen addresses the Volt head-on, saying that it is simply not
economically feasible at present. The features, size and performance
offered are those of a gasoline powered car that costs roughly half as
much, according to de Nysschen, so those that pay that premium aren't
being economically sensible. Use of taxpayer-funded subsidies, which
are already being heavily touted as a way to make the Volt affordable,
are proof that the technology isn't currently sustainable in a pure
market sense. Further, no amount of fuel savings will recoup the up-
front costs."

[Existential Angst]

"whoyakidding's ghost" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:c76lp8h4kfv98aj6c...@4ax.com...

Oh, so in KiddingReality, one point determines a line?? OK.....
Well, once again the Kidding Knowitall Ignerints shines like a lighthouse
beacon on Usenet....

So I guess you never read the cover story in Newsweek a cupla years ago, on
the 80 million Merkins with backs bad enough to cost BILLIONS (mygod, more
than what GM spent on their planetary-geared-up Volt!!!) in lost work days.

And that there are well-accepted ratios of back strain -- lying down to
sitting to standing to leaning/bent forward being approx a 1:2:4:10 ratio.
So leaning over/partially forward, like, well, on a 30" welding table, will
wreak HAVOC over time with about 70%++ of people performing that kind of
un-ergonomic work.

It's actually simple Newton's Laws/torque, and an elbow-height welding table
*greatly* reduces these strains, in most cases. An elbow-height table also
facilitates leaning on the table for support, as well.

Youir apparently-strong back bespeaks the therapeutic value of spending so
much time on your knees, on all fours, fellating the Status Quo and
PlimpBoi.
I'll have to recommend this more often to suitably-persuaded clients.

A major application of my apparatus, btw, is back-rehab related. Which is
what the haas gr510 is for -- you know, the machine who's downpayment was
more than the total price tag of your bloatVolt..... heh, and with far less
depreciation. lol

>
>>Btw, you can weld goodly-sized stuff on a 42" table without much ado.
>
> Sure, it will be perfect for the low spots and you can climb a ladder
> or whatever for the high spots. A lower table might eliminate the need
> for the climbing, and the low spots can be done sitting down. Whatever
> works best, no need to obsess that anything other than certain height
> is crazy, or to follow Ig around beating a dead horse.

Distortions-R-Us.... again.....

>
>>> No, there has been talk of many different things, but there will never
>>> be an Angstmobile from GM or anyone else. But I don't expect that to
>>> prevent you pretending otherwise rather than working toward buying
>>> something.
>>
>>Working toward buying what??
>
> The Volt that you obviously want but can't afford. Like a 10 year old
> boy who's sweet on a girl and shows it by holding a spider under her
> nose.
>
>>When I need a new car, I'll decide amongst the Leaf, the prius, or the
>>second gen Volt -- or whatever.
>
> Whoyakidding? You'd buy a Volt right now if the dealer would sell you
> one with zero down and low enough payments.

That's right. So would any intelligent person. And???

The irony is that you
> might be able to afford regular payments if you'd use your time
> productively instead of endlessly posting your crackpot ideas. Face
> it, you're going to post at least another dozen rants about table
> height, and probably another couple hundred on EVs. But you won't say
> one new thing, and other than avoiding work you'll accomplish nothing.

<yawn>
At least I don't show myself to be a frigging total igneranus on virtually
everything I address.
You STILL don't know how your Volt works. OR the real ROI.
Or, apparently, anything about ergonomics, backs, or much of anything else.
You are, however, able to fool a whole bunch of people -- which is its own
gift/talent, I spose....
--
EA

[Larry Jaques]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 15:44:42 -0500, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
wrote:

That sounds like a really nice and handy bench, Pete. You Suck. ;)

--
If you're trying to take a roomful of people by
surprise, it's a lot easier to hit your targets
if you don't yell going through the door.
-- Lois McMaster Bujold

[Larry Jaques]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 13:52:50 -0500, Ignoramus26793
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.26793.invalid> wrote:

Verily! But asking a person what height he wants his shiny new/used
table built to can add ducats to the price. 'Our standard 30" height
table can be custom-built to any height you like for just $50 more.'