Gun and ammo property tax?
That is actually a very good idea.
TMT
So, do you want to come to my house and try to inventory it? Bet you
life on it!
Paul
You never heard of a black woman named Rosa Parks, did you? Anything
an unarmed black woman in the Jim Crow South could do, the
overwhelming white majority can do a lot easier and a lot more
effectively.
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/04/where-is-your-townhall/ is
the all-states, continually-updated calendar of "town halls."
http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
Not really. Ammo is 'consumable'. Its all been shot by the time the
assessor comes around to take inventory. And guns are pretty cheap, in
spite of artificial shortages caused by high demand. Its not worth the
effort to track them for tax purposes.
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Yet.
TMT
Hey...it works for tobacco, alcohol and drugs.
Why not guns and ammo?
The Country needs revenue and the wingers want to buy guns and ammo.
TMT
Because the taxes you want are already there and being collected at
each sale.
David
Prices are up because demand is outstripping supply. Vendors that
haven't raised their prices are out of stock.
> BTW, A gun & ammo property tax each year on the stockpiles could
> go a long way towards paying for health care for all & the education of
> wingers.
> --
> Cliff
Why would I want to pay for someone elses health care?
Why would I want soemone else to pay for my education?
Sometimes I have to ask why you are so stupid?
Why did someone else pay for yours?
>Why would I want soemone else to pay for my education?
Why did someone else pay for yours?
>Sometimes I have to ask why you are so stupid?
Why did they fail?
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Cliff
And it is our job, nay, our duty, to take care of all of these derelicts,
needle users, whores, and lazy people who are sick through no reason of
their own. Is that how it goes?
Hell, we can't even control diseases that we haven't seen for decades and
are now popping up among us because of our Swiss cheese borders. Which,
BTW, will soon enjoy a big cut in the number of officers. Let's just do the
right thing and put up WELCOME signs. Might as well for all the security
measures, budgets, and policies we have now.
Trouble is with this society, the grasshoppers are outnumbering the ants,
and it's headed for critical mass. Social meltdown. Predator mentality.
None of this Pollyannish can't we all just get along kumbaya shit. But down
and dirty neck slicing take what you want behavior unless the prey is armed.
That's what you get when you want to have a society with more users (note I
did not say consumers) than producers.
Steve, who is for legalizing common sense
WELL SAID !
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Snag
"90 FLHTCU "Strider"
'39 WLDD "PopCycle"
BS 132/SENS/DOF
without debating social policy, you do understand, do you not, that you
already pay for health care for others, and you do so in the most pernicious
way possible - you pay only when you need health care yourself. Our laws
require emergency rooms to treat all who are brought in or show up - without
asking for insurance or payment up front - after all, if you are unconscious
after an accident or due to a medical event you can't answer questions.
Thus, those who cannot pay go to emergency rooms, they get treated at much
higher expense than if they went elsewhere, and YOU pay when you use the
emergency room via a higher cost for whatever they do for you.
If you like that system, then by all means, oppose health care changes.
As for "more users than consumers" - it is not at all clear that this is the
case, but there is clear data that social welfare programs have unintended
consequences. A means test for voting was ruled unconstitutional.
deToqueville predicted this kind of issue a long time ago - how would you
solve it - whining about grasshoppers won't fix the problem, and neither
will more guns - we need to provide essential services to all (note the word
essential), we need to reward desired behavior and penalize undesired - when
the incentives are perverse so is the behavior.
If you are going to spend bandwidth in a metalworking newsgroup discussing
politics, at least do so in a way that offers solutions not deamonization.
> Gun and ammo property tax?
>
> That is actually a very good idea.
>
> TMT
A much better idea is a OT tax on usegroups. Say 10 cents to post on
a topic that is OT and thirty cents to start a new thread that is off
topic. Makes a lot more sense than a property tax on guns and
ammunition. Determining who owned guns and ammunition would require
unreasonable searches which are prohibited by the US Constitution.
Determining who posted off topic would be easier.
Dan
> On Sep 25, 9:22 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Gun and ammo property tax?
>>
>> That is actually a very good idea.
>>
>> TMT
>
> A much better idea is a OT tax on usegroups.
And who would you suggest receive additional payment for usenet (a public
forum) service?
> Say 10 cents to post on a
> topic that is OT and thirty cents to start a new thread that is off
> topic. Makes a lot more sense than a property tax on guns and
> ammunition. Determining who owned guns and ammunition would require
> unreasonable searches which are prohibited by the US Constitution.
> Determining who posted off topic would be easier.
Isn't that contrary to a "Free Market"?
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<dca...@krl.org> wrote in message
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It wouldn't work. Take for example TMT, who would sneak onto his mommies
(both of them) computer and type his off topic posts while they are
squeaking the bedsprings upstairs from his peephole. Then when it came time
to pay the tax, neither he nor his mommies would be able to pay. That would
put the burden on the rest of us, the ones who would prefer on-topic posting
in our newsgroup.
"Curly Surmudgeon" <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2009.09...@live.com...
> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:50:34 -0700, "dca...@krl.org" <dca...@krl.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 25, 9:22 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Gun and ammo property tax?
>>>
>>> That is actually a very good idea.
>>>
>>> TMT
>>
>> A much better idea is a OT tax on usegroups.
>
> And who would you suggest receive additional payment for usenet (a public
> forum) service?
>
>> Say 10 cents to post on a
>> topic that is OT and thirty cents to start a new thread that is off
>> topic. Makes a lot more sense than a property tax on guns and
>> ammunition. Determining who owned guns and ammunition would require
>> unreasonable searches which are prohibited by the US Constitution.
>> Determining who posted off topic would be easier.
>
> Isn't that contrary to a "Free Market"?
>
That means Curly would have to exchange his pesos for dimes. What's the
exchange rate nowadays anyway? Should be rather even one would think, the
way Obama has failed to repair the economy like he promised.
Umm. I know far more Democrats that own guns than right wing-nuts.
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Do not interfere in the affairs of dragons,
For you are crunchy and tasty with barbecue sauce.
Probably why we read about so many gun owners snapping and killing
their families.
According to Gunner, all 100 million of them are right-wing revolutionaries.
Who's right?
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Ed Huntress
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:05:49 -0800, the infamous "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
<pa...@hovnanian.com> scrawled the following:
>
>Umm. I know far more Democrats that own guns than right wing-nuts.
Dat's cuz it's illegal to own right wing-nuts. (slavery)
--
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw
Hmmm. Are you planning to shoot Gunner?
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Ed Huntress
"HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I'm always amazed when they confuse their gun for a hairbrush.
>Hell no. Gunner is his hero. He wants to be just like the gunner
>that never was when he grows up.
Gunner is easy prey for a competent and patient practitioner. He knows
that. Not to minmize Gunner's competence, not at all: said
practitioner would definitely need to get it done with one round,
OSOK, or he'd very likely be buried in the desert.
No problema. One round does not comprise a gunfight. The art is in
getting 'er done OSOK invisibly and subsequent escape without trace to
avoid pesky legal nuisance or furious enemy intent upon detection and
destruction of my tender self.
Easy peasy here because there are no borders to cross that would
create a passport-scan trail. That said, considerable patience,
preparation and skill are necessary to get it ticketyboo right and
such things must be done right or not at all.
Those few still alive with the requisite skills to zap Gunner probably
have less than zero motivation. What's not to love about Gunner who
quite probably would be a good guy to have on your six?
I don't agree with some of Gunner's political rants but I do think
we'd enjoy a gunsmoke and/or cutting-fluid meet. I'm quite sure that
mutual respect would be there at first handshake and thereafter.
Let's hope we never find out.
I would believe that to be an equal opportunity snap. ;)
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
"Fear is the foundation of most governments."
President John Adams
>
> "HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cf0c4ff5-0af4-45bf...@h30g2000vbr.googlegroups.com.
> .. On Sep 29, 9:05 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com>
I, for one, are a liberal.......very, very pro-gun, but a liberal. NOT a
Democrat, though. One cross is enough for me to bear. ;)
You don't distinguish between rich Democrats who own $10,000 double-
barrel trapshooting shotguns and nothing else - as compared to us Red
Nation people who own the "practical" guns.
Guess which counts when push comes to shove.
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/04/where-is-your-townhall/ is
the all-states, continually-updated calendar of "town halls."
http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
>You don't distinguish between rich Democrats who own $10,000 double-
>barrel trapshooting shotguns and nothing else - as compared to us Red
>Nation people who own the "practical" guns.
>Guess which counts when push comes to shove.
Hmmpph. What do you think that second set of barrels is for? When you order
a Perazzi, you can get a set called the "cracker barrels." They're bored and
balanced for peasant hunting in the Red states.
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Ed Huntress
The best "assault gun" in the world is my Benelli M1 Tactical. Did
you see the video on MSNBC? Paul Helmke, president of the Brady
Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence says that ammunition sales are a
result of fear mongering over President Obama. That no one is out to
stop people from obtaining ammo. So it proves that we should be doing
more about ammunition sales. Also it is fear mongering to say that
Obama is going to tax ammunition. But clearly we should look at the
bill in California that would tax ammo and require background checks
etc etc . What a fucking clown. The guy contradicts himself every 20
seconds in the four minute interview. Perhaps the funniest, most
hypocritical and cynical home video iv'e seen to date on MSNBC.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33074414/ns/us_news-life?GT1=43001
Aha! I'd heard there were two of you left. You must be the other liberal
non-Democrat. d8-)
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Ed Huntress
Editor, I lost the rear "ring" sight on my M1 tactical due to
vibration, I guess. I need a replacement. Can you recommend a part#
and a mounting technique to insure I don't lose it again. Do you carry
this item?
Also before I fork over my money. I want to make sure that you guys
are not white supremacist or associated with any such activity or
beliefs. Seriously. I value the American ideal of "many peoples, one
nation" under our Constitution. And I want to spend with like minded
people only.
Thanks
Billary
Tampa, FL
>RCM only
>
>On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:05:49 -0800, the infamous "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
><pa...@hovnanian.com> scrawled the following:
>>
>>Umm. I know far more Democrats that own guns than right wing-nuts.
>
>Dat's cuz it's illegal to own right wing-nuts. (slavery)
Slavery or husbandry?
Folks gotta eat :-)
Mark Rand
RTFM
Slavery. It's BamBam's herds, the cattle on the left, which would be
considered husbandry if kept. Hmm, Farmer Obama...
I bought 30-06 Spgfld Rem Core-Lokt at $1.10/round, 410 2-1/2" Rem at
$1.08, 16ga #7-1/2 Win at $0.42, .45LC Hornady LeveRevolution at $1.04,
and .22LR Win Super bulk at $0.064. (the .22 is jacked up considerably
from the recent past, but still cheaper than I have been able to
_actually_buy_it_ anywhere in Florida; They advertise about the same
prices, but there's never any on the shelves. They had about 30
different pistol rounds in stock in the store (but I got the last two
boxes of .45 LC).
They had reloading supplies in heavy stock, with inert supplies in
concert with old prices and only about twice the cost for powders as
before the "fall".
There's still hope. The shell-makers are predicting they'll ratchet up
to the new demand within about 14 more months, according to the Bass Pro
gun guys.
Surprisingly, these guys knew their stuff: loads, chambering, the whole
lot. I was quite taken aback. I've never shopped at a Bass Pro before,
but I will again.
LLoyd
Perhaps you could have Paul and Gunner debate the issue.
You should mention to the other liberals that you are pro-gun. See
what happens.
> --
> Sleep well tonight,
Don't wet your bed tonight.
> RD (The Sandman)
>
> "Fear is the foundation of most governments."
>
> President John Adams- Hide quoted text -
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Pheasant is an invasive species.
Nooooo. It is just a coincidence that all the ammo disappeared after
the election.
We're talking about peasants, not pheasants, Croque. d8-)
Did you ever see "History of the World, Part 1"? They lobbed the peasants up
into the air, while the king shot them like clay pigeons. That's what I was
referring to.
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Ed Huntress
"HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/1799122,chicago-gun-ban-supreme-court-093009.article
I'm not a big fan of green-toothed humor.
Cripes. That was Mel Brooks.
Get out much, Croque? <g>
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Ed Huntress
>
> "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in
>> news:4ac2ceb0$0$5020$607e...@cv.net:
>>
>>>
>>> "HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:cf0c4ff5-0af4-45bf...@h30g2000vbr.googlegroups.co
>>> m. .. On Sep 29, 9:05 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com>
That is probably about right, although there are some Democrats that are
that way also. Try Democratic Freedom Caucus or Second Amendment
Democrats.
> On Sep 30, 1:20�pm, "RD (The Sandman)" <rdsandman(spamlock)
> @comcast.net> wrote:
>> "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote
>> innews:4ac2ceb0$0$5020$607e
> d4...@cv.net:
I do it all the time in TPG. Most who are here regularly, liberal or
conservative, know that I am a liberal.
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Sleep well tonight,
> On Sep 30, 4:04�pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:17baa818-6f5e-4982...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com
>> ... On Sep 29, 9:05 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Umm. I know far more Democrats that own guns than right wing-nuts.
>> >You don't distinguish between rich Democrats who own $10,000 double-
>> >barrel trapshooting shotguns and nothing else - as compared to us
>> >Red Nation people who own the "practical" guns.
>> >Guess which counts when push comes to shove.
>>
>> Hmmpph. What do you think that second set of barrels is for? When you
>> ord
> er
>> a Perazzi, you can get a set called the "cracker barrels." They're
>> bored
> and
>> balanced for peasant hunting in the Red states.
>>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
>
> Pheasant is an invasive species.
>
He said peasant, not pheasant.
Sorry.
Mel Brooks, Bette Middler, what's the difference? People in movies
who cannot act.
I didn't like Willi Wonka either. Not my "cup of tea."
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> Ed Huntress- Hide quoted text -
Sorry.
Hey, Mel Brooks can write. And I enjoy Bette Middler's acting, even if it is
kind of...er, broad. d8-)
>I didn't like Willi Wonka either. Not my "cup of tea."
If you have a taste for slapstick, "History of the World, Part I" has some
of the best sight gags you've ever seen. When Brooks yells "pull," and the
peasant gets tossed into the air, the timing is perfect. <g>
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Ed Huntress