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Re: Klaus SchadenFRAUD- So Fucking Stupid He Thinks Bullets Can't Ricochet Off Body Armor
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Klaus Schadenfreude
Aug 1, 2012, 10:13:42 AM8/1/12
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>Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 05:03:25 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
><klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>Assuming your man with a hand gun could even get a clear line of sight
>>>of a man in black in a darkened smoke and gas filled room, with scores
>>>of screaming ,running people between him and the shooter, ricochets
>>>from his vest and body armor could kill even more victims.
>>
>>I don't think there's anyone more ignorant about the subject at hand
>>than you are.
>
>That would be you moronic troll.
>
>troll.
>
>>"...ricochet from his vest..."
>
>Sure
>Here's one that reduces that risk
>
>http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/body-armor/dragon-skin/
>
>Reduced Ricochet Threat
>
>The SOV/Dragon Skin® technology has shown to eliminate ricochets’ from
>obliquity/angled shots up to 60°. The rigid plates
Goal post move noted. Not the kind of armor he had.
Try again!
[chuckle]
>On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 05:03:25 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
><klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>Assuming your man with a hand gun could even get a clear line of sight
>>>of a man in black in a darkened smoke and gas filled room, with scores
>>>of screaming ,running people between him and the shooter, ricochets
>>>from his vest and body armor could kill even more victims.
>>
>>I don't think there's anyone more ignorant about the subject at hand
>>than you are.
>
>That would be you moronic troll.
>
>troll.
>
>>"...ricochet from his vest..."
>
>Sure
>Here's one that reduces that risk
>
>http://www.pinnaclearmor.com/body-armor/dragon-skin/
>
>Reduced Ricochet Threat
>
>The SOV/Dragon Skin® technology has shown to eliminate ricochets’ from
>obliquity/angled shots up to 60°. The rigid plates
Goal post move noted. Not the kind of armor he had.
Try again!
[chuckle]
deep
Aug 1, 2012, 10:20:38 AM8/1/12
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:13:42 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
YOU said it couldn't happen, you lying cocksucker.
>Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>Assuming your man with a hand gun could even get a clear line of sight
>of a man in black in a darkened smoke and gas filled room, with scores
>of screaming ,running people between him and the shooter, ricochets
>from his vest and body armor could kill even more victims.
[chuckle]
>Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>Assuming your man with a hand gun could even get a clear line of sight
>of a man in black in a darkened smoke and gas filled room, with scores
>of screaming ,running people between him and the shooter, ricochets
>from his vest and body armor could kill even more victims.
Klaus wrote:
I don't think there's anyone more ignorant about the subject at hand
than you are.
"...ricochet from his vest..."
I don't think there's anyone more ignorant about the subject at hand
than you are.
[chuckle]
Klaus Schadenfreude
Aug 1, 2012, 10:24:03 AM8/1/12
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>deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
That's right! Try and focus, you asshole. What are we talking about?
Jim Wilkins
Aug 1, 2012, 10:48:15 AM8/1/12
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"Fair Play" <us...@example.com> wrote in message
news:3sdi18da0s3e78907...@4ax.com...
>
>>"...ricochet from his vest..."
If he was wearing a tac vest of spare mags over it they would absorb
hits and possibly deflect them sideways into his chin as they slid
off, but not back. Outside the movies that takes a much harder,
denser, more massive backstop like a boulder or engine block, and
steel-core bullets.
These don't shower the shooter with ricochets:
http://www.handgunsports.com/
Stop creating demonic straw men to fight your lost battle.
news:3sdi18da0s3e78907...@4ax.com...
>
>>"...ricochet from his vest..."
If he was wearing a tac vest of spare mags over it they would absorb
hits and possibly deflect them sideways into his chin as they slid
off, but not back. Outside the movies that takes a much harder,
denser, more massive backstop like a boulder or engine block, and
steel-core bullets.
These don't shower the shooter with ricochets:
http://www.handgunsports.com/
Stop creating demonic straw men to fight your lost battle.
Jeff M
Aug 1, 2012, 11:01:42 AM8/1/12
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On 8/1/2012 9:48 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Fair Play" <us...@example.com> wrote in message
> news:3sdi18da0s3e78907...@4ax.com...
>>
>>> "...ricochet from his vest..."
>
> If he was wearing a tac vest of spare mags over it they would absorb
> hits and possibly deflect them sideways into his chin as they slid
> off, but not back. Outside the movies that takes a much harder,
> denser, more massive backstop like a boulder or engine block, and
> steel-core bullets.
Bullets can certainly ricochet off ceramic or metallic body armor.
> "Fair Play" <us...@example.com> wrote in message
> news:3sdi18da0s3e78907...@4ax.com...
>>
>>> "...ricochet from his vest..."
>
> If he was wearing a tac vest of spare mags over it they would absorb
> hits and possibly deflect them sideways into his chin as they slid
> off, but not back. Outside the movies that takes a much harder,
> denser, more massive backstop like a boulder or engine block, and
> steel-core bullets.
Kevlar and other soft armor don't produce ricochets, AFAIK. But high
velocity projectiles sometimes do surprising, even amazing things, and
ricochets, spalling or fragmentation can occur, and inflict additional
injury to the wearer or others nearby. The presence of metallic or
other hard objects on the vest can also cause these effects.
Does anyone know what type of body armor or other gear the Aurora
shooter was wearing, specifically?
deep
Aug 1, 2012, 1:25:33 PM8/1/12
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 07:24:03 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
That's you're an ignorant lying cocksucker who said that you could NOT
have a ricochet off body armor, then ridiculed Fair Play for
explaining you could. Then when provided with evidence from both him
and me that you could, resorted to your usual backpedaling, ad
hominems, "moving the goalpost" claim, out of context quotes, and
outright blatant lies. You've been caught bullshitting about things
you know nothing about AGAIN, and now you've been caught lying about
your complete and utter ignorance, AGAIN. Now I suppose you are
going to start into your usual everyone in the world is lying but
you. You're pathetic. And you've been nailed AGAIN. Now go shit
your Depends and cry your eyes out, AGAIN. Get over it. And perhaps
you should STFU and stop embarrassing yourself.
have a ricochet off body armor, then ridiculed Fair Play for
explaining you could. Then when provided with evidence from both him
and me that you could, resorted to your usual backpedaling, ad
hominems, "moving the goalpost" claim, out of context quotes, and
outright blatant lies. You've been caught bullshitting about things
you know nothing about AGAIN, and now you've been caught lying about
your complete and utter ignorance, AGAIN. Now I suppose you are
going to start into your usual everyone in the world is lying but
you. You're pathetic. And you've been nailed AGAIN. Now go shit
your Depends and cry your eyes out, AGAIN. Get over it. And perhaps
you should STFU and stop embarrassing yourself.
deep
Aug 1, 2012, 1:37:59 PM8/1/12
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 10:01:42 -0500, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
wrote:
I haven't seen anything in any of the reports as to exactly what kind,
but it supposedly was "very expensive" and cost about $2000-3000. That
means it probably was Type III which most certainly would include
solid ballistic plates which certainly could deflect bullets into
people around him. Far more of a concern IMHO is not richochets off
the body armor, but outright misses. Under such circumstances NOBODY
is going to be able to react with adequate response times and accuracy
without being extensively trained in combat shooting under high stress
situtations. People just don't respond well under extreme stress
without extensive combat training drills to basically desensetize
yourself to the stress so you can focus and respond properly. Under
such shooting situations your average "conservative gun owner" is
likely to just start blasting away in the direction of the threat.
Anyone around the shooter is far more endangered by the gun
"enthusiast" than they would be from the shooter. Far, far, far more
beneficial to the crowd would be have if someone near the shooter had
martial sciences combat training. One full contact combat fighter
could have taken that guy out without endangering anyone else in the
crowd. The more gunnuts you had in the crowd the more innocent people
would have died.
wrote:
but it supposedly was "very expensive" and cost about $2000-3000. That
means it probably was Type III which most certainly would include
solid ballistic plates which certainly could deflect bullets into
people around him. Far more of a concern IMHO is not richochets off
the body armor, but outright misses. Under such circumstances NOBODY
is going to be able to react with adequate response times and accuracy
without being extensively trained in combat shooting under high stress
situtations. People just don't respond well under extreme stress
without extensive combat training drills to basically desensetize
yourself to the stress so you can focus and respond properly. Under
such shooting situations your average "conservative gun owner" is
likely to just start blasting away in the direction of the threat.
Anyone around the shooter is far more endangered by the gun
"enthusiast" than they would be from the shooter. Far, far, far more
beneficial to the crowd would be have if someone near the shooter had
martial sciences combat training. One full contact combat fighter
could have taken that guy out without endangering anyone else in the
crowd. The more gunnuts you had in the crowd the more innocent people
would have died.
Jim Wilkins
Aug 1, 2012, 2:08:03 PM8/1/12
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"deep" <de...@dudu.org> wrote in message
news:gnpi18h1a7angtn25...@4ax.com...
> ...Under such circumstances NOBODY
hurt?
Hunters don't run screaming to their analysts the first time a large
animal flushes near them. Sure it's a severe unexpected jolt, and it
might be a bear defending its cubs, but they generally recover quickly
enough to evaluate the situation and react reasonably well the first
time and a lot better the second. Then they'll rewrite it for the
campfire tales. My uncle was a guide in the Rockies.
Can you handle near-misses in traffic? I know some who will be shaking
for hours afterward.
news:gnpi18h1a7angtn25...@4ax.com...
> ...Under such circumstances NOBODY
> is going to be able to react with adequate response times and
> accuracy
> without being extensively trained in combat shooting under high
> stress
> situtations.
It's amazing how much detail you can pull out of your ass. Doesn't it
> accuracy
> without being extensively trained in combat shooting under high
> stress
> situtations.
hurt?
Hunters don't run screaming to their analysts the first time a large
animal flushes near them. Sure it's a severe unexpected jolt, and it
might be a bear defending its cubs, but they generally recover quickly
enough to evaluate the situation and react reasonably well the first
time and a lot better the second. Then they'll rewrite it for the
campfire tales. My uncle was a guide in the Rockies.
Can you handle near-misses in traffic? I know some who will be shaking
for hours afterward.
deep
Aug 1, 2012, 2:17:19 PM8/1/12
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 14:08:03 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
<murat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>"deep" <de...@dudu.org> wrote in message
>news:gnpi18h1a7angtn25...@4ax.com...
>> ...Under such circumstances NOBODY
>> is going to be able to react with adequate response times and
>> accuracy
>> without being extensively trained in combat shooting under high
>> stress
>> situtations.
>
>It's amazing how much detail you can pull out of your ass. Doesn't it
>hurt?
>
>Hunters don't run screaming to their analysts the first time a large
>animal flushes near them. Sure it's a severe unexpected jolt, and it
>might be a bear defending its cubs, but they generally recover quickly
>enough to evaluate the situation and react reasonably well the first
>time and a lot better the second. Then they'll rewrite it for the
>campfire tales. My uncle was a guide in the Rockies.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA
<murat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>"deep" <de...@dudu.org> wrote in message
>news:gnpi18h1a7angtn25...@4ax.com...
>> ...Under such circumstances NOBODY
>> is going to be able to react with adequate response times and
>> accuracy
>> without being extensively trained in combat shooting under high
>> stress
>> situtations.
>
>It's amazing how much detail you can pull out of your ass. Doesn't it
>hurt?
>
>Hunters don't run screaming to their analysts the first time a large
>animal flushes near them. Sure it's a severe unexpected jolt, and it
>might be a bear defending its cubs, but they generally recover quickly
>enough to evaluate the situation and react reasonably well the first
>time and a lot better the second. Then they'll rewrite it for the
>campfire tales. My uncle was a guide in the Rockies.
I've been a hunter all my life numbnuts. It's fucking hilarious that
you should think it's remotely anything at all like someone wading
into a crowd with semi auto weapons and shooting everyone around you
to death.
>
>Can you handle near-misses in traffic? I know some who will be shaking
>for hours afterward.
>
There are techniques to handle such things if you've been trained.
Clearly you haven't.
David Geiger
Aug 1, 2012, 2:22:51 PM8/1/12
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"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:jvbra1$n6t$1...@dont-email.me...
"deep" <de...@dudu.org> wrote in message
news:gnpi18h1a7angtn25...@4ax.com...
> ...Under such circumstances NOBODY
> is going to be able to react with adequate response times and accuracy
> without being extensively trained in combat shooting under high stress
> situtations.
It's amazing how much detail you can pull out of your ass. Doesn't it
hurt?
I read somewhere in this interweb, that pulling stuff OUT of your anal
cavity during a climax, makes it better.
I have no idea how that could work, as I have to assume it's not pleasurable
to first have things put IN it first! :(
Deep DooDoo MIGHT have an fascinating explanation.
Let's ask!
Klaus Schadenfreude
Aug 1, 2012, 3:30:49 PM8/1/12
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But it's nice to know that neither of you want even trained police to
shoot the guy, for fear of ricochets.
Know what the REALLY cool part is?
Neither if you know how fucking stupid you sound.
http://klaus.webege.com/smart/smart/smart.htm
Dennis Kohnen
Aug 2, 2012, 1:52:10 AM8/2/12
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In article <3sdi18da0s3e78907...@4ax.com>
been used since Vietnam. In fact, it was being phased out in
Vietnam.
Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 05:03:25 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
> <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
> >
> >>Assuming your man with a hand gun could even get a clear line of sight
> >>of a man in black in a darkened smoke and gas filled room, with scores
> >>of screaming ,running people between him and the shooter, ricochets
> >>from his vest and body armor could kill even more victims.
> >
> >I don't think there's anyone more ignorant about the subject at hand
> >than you are.
>
> That would be you moronic troll.
The moron would be you. Body armor that causes ricochets hasn't
>
> On Wed, 01 Aug 2012 05:03:25 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
> <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
> >
> >>Assuming your man with a hand gun could even get a clear line of sight
> >>of a man in black in a darkened smoke and gas filled room, with scores
> >>of screaming ,running people between him and the shooter, ricochets
> >>from his vest and body armor could kill even more victims.
> >
> >I don't think there's anyone more ignorant about the subject at hand
> >than you are.
>
> That would be you moronic troll.
been used since Vietnam. In fact, it was being phased out in
Vietnam.
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