Complexity, berlers, the weather, and my aching ass.....
Existential Angst
Man, I must be in some deep psychic pain, yo, with an acute attack of
Existential Angst, cuz I cain't seem to stop ranting.
But, beyond this rant, there really is a Q.
Part I:
So my berler is conking out, a shit installation by the assholes Yost &
Campbell in NYC and thereabouts. Those muthafuckas.....
The circuit board is going bananas, and I'm keeping the whole thing alive
with my own added-in relays, jumped wires, jumped thermostat, and..... big
assed welding spring clamps ON the circuit board itself, so the shitty
on-board connections and solder and shitty integrated relays will effing
work.
In fact, I got spring clamps *on top of* spring clamps, with wood blocks on
the back of the circuit board to give the board the "curvature" it needs to
stay functioning....
With the whole business dangling on the outside of the berler by some of its
thicker wires. goodgawd.....
And the berler STILL cuts out whenever it wants to, with no alarm code
sequence on the led!
Altho, sometimes it does blink out its death-knell code: 4 short-5 long,
which, in Bryant-speak means: Change the fucking circuit board.... no
foolin....
So, ahm lookin at this kluged-up mess, wunnerin:
Just how fukn COMPLICATED does shit have to be, in order to turn on a
fukn *gas valve and blower*, and then turn dat shit off 1. when set point
is reached or 2. if no flame is detected with the gas valve open?
HOW FUKN COMPLICATED DOES THAT HAVE TO BE?????????????????
Well, apparently, VERY complicated, cuz there's a whole goddamm circuit
board replete with chips/IC's and solid-state doodads -- and of course
integrated relays so effing small and shitty they couldn't handle a toy
electric train set, much less a 10+ amp/1200+ watt blower.
I know how to trace all the limit switches, I completely disassembled the
gas valve, and yeah, some shit can't be as simple as you'd like.
Iffin you want an Instant Matchining Inferiority Complex, disassembling a
gas valve, or a carburetor, or an *automatic transmission*, or even a Sears
washing machine transmission will do it for you.
Holy shit, that Sears ditty was one piece of humbility pie, for me!
Wow.....
But, goodgawd, that circuit board just seems to be electronic overkill.
So the Q is:
Is my Angst just more of my interminable conspiratorial paranoia (CP), or is
there really a reason for this?
Is all this shit on the circuit board really doing something, when I could
do the same effing thing with a few P&B relays and an off-the-shelf flame
detector?
My intuition tells me this:
It DOESN'T have to be that complicated. It doesn't have to be
unservicable. It doesn't have to entombed in g-d epoxy.
But it is, and the reason is obvious: it's all toward the end of that Great
AssFucking in the Sky, our Orwellian Destiny.
But, if my CP has led me asstray, do tell. And mebbe give me a clue on my
effing berler.
Part II:
Gratuitous Complexity for the (M)asses:
I occasionally sit in the common quarters in the purgatory of my employ, and
watch the weather on one of the networks, with my esteemed blue-collar
colleagues.
Few know of my technical background, which is pretty much moot inyway, for
all the effing good it's done me, but they nevertheless view me as a funny
duck, especially after the day I exploded with the following:
My male menopause musta been acting up, cuz after about 5 full minutes of
non-stop fast paced weather prattling by some blonde beefcake in a $5,000
(at least) suit -- I mean, this guy sounded like a well-dressed auctioneer
at a Barrett & Jackson Classic Car Assfucking -- after he was FINALLY done,
I turned around and asked the group:
Yo, did ONE of you understand a FUKN THING this muthafucka said for
the past 5 minutes? Just HOW FUKN LONG does someone have to babble, how
much fukn analysis does it take to tell me if it's gonna fukn RAIN tomorrow,
or if I'll need a goddamm sweater?? HOW FUKN LONG does this take???? Does
the circus need to be a FIVE RING circus?????
Then, I swear to god, I bellowed:
Does ONE FUKN PERSON IN THIS FUKN ROOM **now know** what the
temperature is going to be tomorrow?? If it will rain??
I think one person got the rain right, cuz the whole goddamm fives
days you saw had that orange thingy for sunshine....
But NO ONE could tell me what tomorrow's temperature would be. Just a bunch
of glazed-over blinking eyeballs....
Heh, but a few people moved to different tables.....
And that's just the bullshit complexity in the effing *weather*.
Now try listening to that asshole Cramer. Or Rush Limbaugh.
Or Geithner, who bleats to Charlie Rose for a full g-d hour on fucking
"""""""confidence""""""" in the economy.
Sheeit, Geithner, is our economy an *economy*, or a goddamm spirit-calling
voodoo ritual?????
You gots to BEELEEEEVE, bruthuh, you gots to BELEEVE!!!
The Queen of Political Triple Speak was, imo, Janet Reno. Holy shit, could
that lady take a long time to convey ABSOLUTELY ZERO information.
goodgawd.....
It's at the point where our very language, our incoherent thought processes,
a communication process SATURATED with effing non-sequiturs, is SO
complicated that we can't even *detect* the bullshit any more, cuz, well, we
are just drowned in it. At this point, if we shit in our own pants, we'd
never know it.
We can't fix our own cars. We can't figger out that a pushup is just an
upside-down effing bench press.
If I run out of any more welding clamps and duct tape, I won't be able to
"""fix""" my own berler.
And of course, it is by design, I believe.
Machine shops have and are closing in droves, while skinny dehydrated fucks
(and of course, that fatassed Tony Little) are out there getting rich off
ab gadgets, whose chance of actually working are about the same as the
chances of the latest perpetual motion scam saving you energy.
With very little hyperbole, I can tell you that I simply don't understand,
anymore, much of what I hear. If I'm feeling industrious, I can do a
translation, or read between the lines, or mebbe interpolate/extrapyoolate,
but I just don't understand WTF is being said any more, at first listen.
Largely because, in my own defense, it CAN'T be understood.
I DO unnerstand Donald Trump, tho.
He is very clear about how great he is, how great his buildings are, and
great New York is, how great he is, how great his clothes are, how great he
is, how great his investment strategy is, how great he is.....
Donald Trump makes all this exceptionally clear, and I can indeed understand
it.
Epilogue:
So, whazzup wit my berler?
I do have a nifty fall-back plan, tho:
If shit becomes un-patchable, they sell a "generic" White Rodgers "furnace
controller", but you gotta get a separate flame detector, and hope they are
compatible. All for about $150, vs. the $1500 Yost & fuknRipoff Campbell
want to swap out my circuit board.
Then, I'll just whole-sale strip out all that overly-complexified bullshit,
add a cupla relays for some shit the WR doesn't handle, and WahLah, a berler
that hopefully won't explode on me.
There's also a place that makes actual replacement boards for a cupla
hundred bucks, much cheaper than oem. I have the links somewhere if someone
is innerested. But, they too are too complicated....
I just hope dat shit doesn't go totally kaput during these 15 deg days....
holy shit.... altho I spose the oven and stove, with a whole bunch of
effing fans, could do for a while.
Which brings up another point:
You gotta be an asshole to live in a place with 15 deg weather and effing
snow.....
You gotta be an asshole to live in New RipOff York.
You gotta be an asshole to watch sumpn with 20 minutes of commercials every
hour.
You gotta be a REAL asshole to get worked up over effing professional
sports.
Guilty, here, on the first three.
--
EA, and PV'd, apparently, in about 13 different dimensions
BottleBob
> Awl --
> So, whazzup wit my berler?
EA:
So what's a berler? I assume from the context that it has something
to do with your heater.
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BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
co_f...@yahoo.com
I think he is complaining about his barbycue.
Paul
Ed Huntress
"BottleBob" <bott...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Yonkers for "boiler." Brooklynese, too.
--
Ed Huntress (who once lived across the Bronx River Parkway from Yonkers, in
Mount Voinin)
Existential Angst
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>
> "BottleBob" <bott...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> Existential Angst wrote:
>>> Awl --
>>
>>> So, whazzup wit my berler?
>>
>> EA:
>>
>> So what's a berler? I assume from the context that it has something to
>> do with your heater.
>>
>>
>> --
>> BottleBob
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
>>
>
> Yonkers for "boiler." Brooklynese, too.
Before I die, I would like to know, why, if "berler" is common for "boiler",
HOW THE FUCK IS IT that "work" is then pronounced as "woik"??? There are
*numerous* examples of these two.
Also, "sister" becomes "sistuh", "her" becomes "huh", BUT THEN "soda"
becomes "soder".... WTF?????
The assholes on alt.english.usage let me down, yo... those hoity toity
muthafuckas dint even unnerstand the Q!!! WTF???
Can you please help me?? Can you explain this?
--
EA
Existential Angst
> news:0dKdnWnc1ItMztjW...@earthlink.com...
>> Existential Angst wrote:
>>> Awl --
>>
>>> So, whazzup wit my berler?
>>
>> EA:
>>
>> So what's a berler? I assume from the context that it has something to
>> do with your heater.
>>
>>
>> --
>> BottleBob
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
>>
>
> Yonkers for "boiler." Brooklynese, too.
Poor Bottle: Now he's gotta go back and re-read the whole goddamm rant!
--
EA
Ed Huntress
"Existential Angst" <UNfi...@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
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You're going to be sorry you asked. <g> New York linguistics is probably the
most over-studied and over-analyzed collection of accents in American
English. But the answer has two parts: Traditional New York accents are
non-rhotic (they drop a lot of "r's") and, through much of the last century,
"hypercompensated" (they mistakenly insert "r's" where the don't belong,
because they're aware of the missing r's and think it sounds low-class. So
they try to sound high-class by sticking in extra ones.)
I think you'll find an explanation if you search for "non-rhotic." The
compensation has several different names, none of which I remember, except
for "hypercompensated."
You'll find hypercompensation among lower-class Brits, as well. "Pygmalion"
made a joke out of some of them.
--
Ed Huntress (who used to dabble in linguistics, amateurishly)
Ed Huntress
"Existential Angst" <UNfi...@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
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Ha! I should have just gone to Wikipedia. They explain it well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_dialect
Search for "hypercorrection" in that item. That appears to be the common
term for it.
--
Ed Huntress
Existential Angst
So, it's hypercompensation, and not just irrational contrarian-ism?
Like rapper assholes who where baseball caps at a 37 deg angle, with their
asses hanging out of their pants?
Not a tremendously satisfying explanation: STILL leaving the "r's" off, and
then incorreckly adding r's where they don't belong.... goodgard, tawk
about not getting it right....
Oh, you know :"idear" is my fav mis-rhotic, right?
>
> You'll find hypercompensation among lower-class Brits, as well.
> "Pygmalion" made a joke out of some of them.
Oh, these low-class cockney and liverpudlian Brits are a hoot!!! No offense
to inyone in this ng....
And guess where these ilitirit assholes wind up?
On Merkin Infomercials!!! Yes indeedy.....
Merkins, being the dupable rubes they will ALWAYS be, because they hear some
semblance of a Bri'ish accent, think there is some legitimacy to the
product, not knowing it is being presented by the Bri'ish equivalent of the
lowest-class streetcorner Brooklyn hoodlum. Effing hilarious!
Yeah, the wiki article just briefly mentions hyper correction.
Kind of a tedious pedantic article, but proly inneresting to N'Yawkas.
Hey, I myself have ZERO nyawk accent.... yo.
Whazzup with Massachusetts, tho? Goodgawd....
--
EA
Ed Huntress
"Existential Angst" <UNfi...@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
<g> Yeah, or "hypercorrection," as I mentioned in another reply. It becomes
almost an involuntary action. There's another term for it, too, but I can't
remember it.
>
> Not a tremendously satisfying explanation: STILL leaving the "r's" off,
> and then incorreckly adding r's where they don't belong.... goodgard,
> tawk about not getting it right....
It's not uncommon. Overcorrecting appears in many languages, and many
dialects of English.
>
> Oh, you know :"idear" is my fav mis-rhotic, right?
And you'll hear that particular one in other parts of the country, as well.
>
>>
>> You'll find hypercompensation among lower-class Brits, as well.
>> "Pygmalion" made a joke out of some of them.
>
> Oh, these low-class cockney and liverpudlian Brits are a hoot!!! No
> offense to inyone in this ng....
> And guess where these ilitirit assholes wind up?
> On Merkin Infomercials!!! Yes indeedy.....
>
> Merkins, being the dupable rubes they will ALWAYS be, because they hear
> some semblance of a Bri'ish accent, think there is some legitimacy to the
> product, not knowing it is being presented by the Bri'ish equivalent of
> the lowest-class streetcorner Brooklyn hoodlum. Effing hilarious!
You might be surprised that Elizabethan English was spoken in two or three
places in the United States, as recently as 1960 or so, and maybe today. One
is just a few hours drive from where you live -- the New Jersey Pine
Barrens. It was Elizabethan with a Scottish accent, something like the
dialect spoken in the hills of Kentucky. I've heard that it also could still
be heard in *northwest* Jersey into the '50s, in the original Jersey Devil
country.
My dad knew quite a bit about this. He had an amateur interest in it, too,
and he knew the Pine Barrens. My dad and I were sitting in a barbershop in
Florida once, and after the barber had said a few words, my dad said "You're
originally from Millville, New Jersey, aren't you?" The barber's jaw
dropped. <g>
>
> Yeah, the wiki article just briefly mentions hyper correction.
>
> Kind of a tedious pedantic article, but proly inneresting to N'Yawkas.
> Hey, I myself have ZERO nyawk accent.... yo.
Some people really get into it. I wish I had time for it, because I find it
really interesting. I guess it goes with an interest in writing.
BTW, I've lived in six different states, in three distinct parts of the
country, and my South Jersey (where I was born) accent is almost completely
gone. There was a linguist at Michigan State who found me very interesting.
She was real nice looking, too. d8-)
If I let down, though, and say "tomato," "potato," or the like, in ordinary
conversation, anyone who knows his stuff will peg me as South Jersey or
Philadelphia without a moment's hesitation. ("schwa" phonetic -- apparently
it never completely leaves you)
>
> Whazzup with Massachusetts, tho? Goodgawd....
> --
> EA
Now you're really buying trouble. <g>
--
Ed Huntress
Existential Angst
Funny you mentioned KY:
I've dealt with ADK computers, in Alexandria KY, who specialize in video
editing systems, a good bunch of people.
Getting to know one of them a little, I said, Dude, where's yer drawl and
twang, yo? You sound just a N'Yawka, ceptin without the nyawk accent....
He told me that in that region, they are dialectically unique, with no
southern accent *at all* -- you'd think they were NY City College kids!
So it seems some regions seem to retain some sort of linguistical heritage
quite distinct from immediate surroundings, as you alluded to. This one
seems to take the cake, tho.
Oh, yer link has a list a famous people with Nyawk accents. Bugs Bunny is
on the list!! Hilarious!!
Notably absent from that list, however, is Lenny Bruce and my fav Richard
:"surely you're joking" Feynman.
Notables on that list are the cast of Honeymooners, Three Stooges, FDR, Mae
West, Frank "for some reason everyone seems to think I can sing" Sinatra,
Burt Lancaster, Woody Allen, and many others.
Fran "the body" Drescher (The Nanny) and Joe Pesci (My Cousin Vinny) are
proly extreme examples of notables with the NYawk curse. goodgawd, talk
about thick..... Jimmy Durante also had it perty thick.
If Alexandria KY has a good ghetto, and decent electric rates, I'll consider
moving there -- if the ghettos in Camden NJ or Philly don't live up to my
expectations.
What's nice about Philly and Camden is BOTH ghettos are separated by but a
short walk across a footbridge!!
How quaint..... mebbe I can shack out under the bridge.....
--
EA
BottleBob
> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>> "BottleBob" <bott...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>>> Existential Angst wrote:
>>>> Awl --
>>>> So, whazzup wit my berler?
>>> So what's a berler?
>>>
>> Yonkers for "boiler." Brooklynese, too.
>
> Poor Bottle: Now he's gotta go back and re-read the whole goddamm rant!
EA:
Boiler? Like in steam boiler? So are you telling me that houses back
east are heated by STEAM? You're kidding, right?
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Ed Huntress
Several of my neighbors have gas-fired or oil-fired steam heat, and one was
only installed around 10 - 12 years ago. But we call the heat-exchanger
tanks for hydronic (hot-water) systems "boilers," too. I have one of those.
It runs at roughly 140 - 160 deg. F. No boiling.
--
Ed Huntress
Existential Angst
Well, ahm no spert, but yeah, steam is used in private houses, but mostly in
things like brownstones, which have 3 floors -- NYC and surrounding areas.
Most tudors'n'ranches'n'shit use either forced air, or circulating hot water
radiators/baseboard heating.
Mine is forced air, ergo it's really a furnace and not a berler, but I use
berler out of habit.
Circulating HW is, imo, a vastly superior heating method.
Steam is proly most common in anything over 4 stories or 6 apts, because of
its simpler logistics, albeit noisier ones -- hammering pipes, etc.
Circulating hot water systems in larger buildings is the purvue of
higher-end real estate, and also has the advantage that it can accommodate
chilled water, for dual purpose heating-A/C.
Not cheap, tho, in large part because of the need to handle the effing
condensate from the A/C coils, which can flood out whole apartments in these
large buildings..
Ahm fixin to convert my hovel to circulating hot water (not tomorrow,
but....), which is why I don't want to put any money into that Yost &
Campbell abortion that those muthafuckas mis-installed.
More than you wanted to know, I'm sure...
--
EA
>
>
> --
> BottleBob
> http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
>
Ed Huntress
"Existential Angst" <UNfi...@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
One of your most upstanding citizens. <g>
> Notably absent from that list, however, is Lenny Bruce and my fav Richard
> :"surely you're joking" Feynman.
> Notables on that list are the cast of Honeymooners, Three Stooges, FDR,
> Mae West, Frank "for some reason everyone seems to think I can sing"
> Sinatra, Burt Lancaster, Woody Allen, and many others.
And FDR, Burt Lancaster, and the others all have very distinct accents. New
York accents went through a big change in the '50s.
>
> Fran "the body" Drescher (The Nanny) and Joe Pesci (My Cousin Vinny) are
> proly extreme examples of notables with the NYawk curse. goodgawd, talk
> about thick..... Jimmy Durante also had it perty thick.
I think that Fran Drescher, Woody Allen, and Joe Pesci are pushing the
accent for all it's worth. I've heard Drescher speak off the show, and she's
neither as nasal nor as New Yawkish as she comes across on TV. To me, she
sounds more like Queens or Great Neck on TV, anyway.
>
> If Alexandria KY has a good ghetto, and decent electric rates, I'll
> consider moving there -- if the ghettos in Camden NJ or Philly don't live
> up to my expectations.
> What's nice about Philly and Camden is BOTH ghettos are separated by but a
> short walk across a footbridge!!
> How quaint..... mebbe I can shack out under the bridge.....
> --
> EA
>
I think you're on the wrong track to think about Camden or Philly, unless
you pick a decent suburb of either. Philly's northern and northwestern
suburbs are nice. And there are some towns north of Camden that also are
nice. But being *in* those cities stinks -- unless you're very rich.
I have a friend who sells used machine tools and lives in a northern suburb
of Philly. He knows the whole area. If you ever want to talk to him, let me
know.
--
Ed Huntress
BottleBob
> More than you wanted to know, I'm sure...
EA:
Learning is always good. Thanks for the overview. <g>
I saw on my "timed commercial" news that the mid-west and east coast
are in for another cold snap. Personally, it would only take one or
two of those to convince me to pull up roots and move to CA, FL, TX,
AZ, or SOMEWHERE warmer.
--
BottleBob
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Glenn Lyford
Massachusetts is not just Bahstin, Lynn, Reveeyah, or Haaahvahd. Or
even Glocester fisherman or NH-border swamp-yankee (think "Bert and
I"). There are parts of the state where the accent is very close to a
generic midwestern--when it isn't Polish. And then there's the
'burbs* which is mostly just generic mush these days...
--Glenn Lyford
* (don't get me started on sprawl and the demise of regional
agriculture)
Jim Wilkins
> > Whazzup with Massachusetts, tho? Â Goodgawd....
>
> Massachusetts is not just Bahstin, Lynn, Reveeyah, or Haaahvahd. Â Or
> even Glocester fisherman or NH-border swamp-yankee (think "Bert and
> I"). Â There are parts of the state where the accent is very close to a
> generic midwestern--when it isn't Polish. Â And then there's the
> 'burbs* which is mostly just generic mush these days...
>
> Â --Glenn Lyford
Da guys and da gals in Northern Mass have different accents. The men
sound like Bahstin but some of the women have the nasality of New
Yawk. There's a difference between the cities (Lowell) and the suburbs
(Billerica). The accents are stronger in production workers than
office staff.
My grandmother's family which has lived in the Westford area since the
1600's sounds Old Yankee but not Boston at all. "Bert and I" were more
Downeast Maine, a subtle difference.
Most educated people around here including the children of immigrants
speak TV Announcer, At a place I worked in Lexington one brilliant and
totally gorgeous engineer from Mumbai talked Valley Girl.
jsw
wmbjk...@citlink.net
<UNfi...@UNoptonline.net> wrote:
>Awl --
>
>Man, I must be in some deep psychic pain, yo, with an acute attack of
>Existential Angst, cuz I cain't seem to stop ranting.
>
>But, beyond this rant, there really is a Q.
>
>Part I:
>
>So my berler is conking out, a shit installation by the assholes Yost &
>Campbell in NYC and thereabouts. Those muthafuckas.....
Berler pain is apparently universal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbMmj5YZ8-U Berler action starts at
about 2:40.
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LdgNcNgg5s&feature=fvw has some
inspired George Bush poetry at about 3:50. Palinistas won't get the
humor, but they might want to watch the episode anyway just to see the
neighbor chick.
Wayne
David Billington
snipped
>> You'll find hypercompensation among lower-class Brits, as well.
>> "Pygmalion" made a joke out of some of them.
>>
>
> Oh, these low-class cockney and liverpudlian Brits are a hoot!!! No offense
> to inyone in this ng....
> And guess where these ilitirit assholes wind up?
> On Merkin Infomercials!!! Yes indeedy.....
>
A merkin infomercial, I think that might be interesting to see.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkin
Half-nutz
> "BottleBob" <bottl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
I assumed since he was from New Yauk. or Lawn Guy Land that it might
be his Earl Boiner.
So just HOW many words did it take him to say that things are too
complicated?
Is he trying to break Kurt's verbositizer?
rangerssuck
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> > "BottleBob" <bottl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> >> Existential Angst wrote:
> >>> Awl --
>
> >>> So, whazzup wit my berler?
>
> >> EA:
>
> >> So what's a berler? Â I assume from the context that it has something to
> >> do with your heater.
>
> >> --
> >> BottleBob
> >>http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
>
> > Yonkers for "boiler." Brooklynese, too.
>
> Before I die, I would like to know, why, if "berler" is common for "boiler",
> HOW THE FUCK IS IT that "work" is then pronounced as "woik"??? Â There are
> *numerous* examples of these two.
>
> Also, "sister" becomes "sistuh", "her" becomes "huh", Â BUT THEN Â "soda"
> becomes "soder".... Â WTF?????
>
> The assholes on alt.english.usage let me down, yo... Â those hoity toity
> muthafuckas dint even unnerstand the Q!!! Â WTF???
>
> Can you please help me?? Â Can you explain this?
> --
> EA
>
>
>
> > --
> > Ed Huntress (who once lived across the Bronx River Parkway from Yonkers,
> > in Mount Voinin)
Just watch (or listen to) Bugs Bunny...Oh, wait...Since we're ranting
here, WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO BUGS BUNNY CARTOONS? Haven't seen a
single Warner Bros. cartoon on tv in years. There's a whole generation
of kids growing up thinking that the Roadrunner is the time-warner-
cable bird.
You can find them on the youtube, but it aint the same. What's up with
that?
Ed Huntress
"Half-nutz" <3t...@centurytel.net> wrote in message
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PV writes prose poems. They work by burning their way into your language
receptors. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
rangerssuck
[... Snipped because I remember 110 baud dialup]
> I think that Fran Drescher, Woody Allen, and Joe Pesci are pushing the
> accent for all it's worth. I've heard Drescher speak off the show, and she's
> neither as nasal nor as New Yawkish as she comes across on TV. To me, she
> sounds more like Queens or Great Neck on TV, anyway.
>
Great Neck is more likely - Land of the Big Hair.
Ed Huntress
"rangerssuck" <range...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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She looks a lot like an old girlfriend of mine...from Great Neck. On TV,
Dreschler sounds like an exaggerated version of old g.f., too.
--
Ed Huntress
rangerssuck
> >news:4b4556a4$0$4971$607e...@cv.net...
> >> "BottleBob" <bottl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >>news:0dKdnWnc1ItMztjW...@earthlink.com...
> >>> Existential Angst wrote:
> >>>> Awl --
> >>>> So, whazzup wit my berler?
> >>> So what's a berler? Â
>
> >> Yonkers for "boiler." Brooklynese, too.
>
> > Poor Bottle: Â Now he's gotta go back and re-read the whole goddamm rant!
>
> EA:
>
> Â Â Â Â Boiler? Â Like in steam boiler? Â So are you telling me that houses back
> east are heated by STEAM? Â You're kidding, right?
>
> --
> BottleBobhttp://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
My house has steam heat. Just moved a radiator a coupla weeks ago -
unscrewing 90-year-old steeped-in-steam black pipe was a real picnic.
My boiler controller also has way more electronics than it should
need. If it ever breaks, I'll probably just build a new one out of
Lego^H^H^H^H Atmel parts.
Existential Angst
Wow, lucky you!! Hopefully she didn't talk too much....
Existential Angst
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--Glenn Lyford
========================================
You know about Thomas Hylton and his Save out Land, save our spaces org?
Does PBS once in a blue moon. Very inneresting notions on urban planning.
--
EA
Ed Huntress
"Existential Angst" <UNfi...@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
She spoke at a business conference in Hong Kong once. I wish I'd been there
to see their faces. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
Existential Angst
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> Existential Angst wrote:
>
> snipped
>>> You'll find hypercompensation among lower-class Brits, as well.
>>> "Pygmalion" made a joke out of some of them.
>>>
>>
>> Oh, these low-class cockney and liverpudlian Brits are a hoot!!! No
>> offense to inyone in this ng....
>> And guess where these ilitirit assholes wind up?
>> On Merkin Infomercials!!! Yes indeedy.....
>>
> A merkin infomercial, I think that might be interesting to see.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkin
Hilarious! Luv Merka, luv merkins even more!
--
EA
Existential Angst
=========================================
Oman, don't get me started.....
How can generations of pubescent-ing males be denied Betty Boop???
Esp when some of the single frames had her nude????? Be still my heart....
Anyone born after 1960 or so really missed the glory days of cartoons --
literal works of art, so much so that the individual "frames" of some of the
classics are occasionally sold for huge amounts of money -- easily $10K, I
think I remember $100 Ks.
Bugs Bunny was not even the most artful, and Walt Disney did not produce the
best, altho he certainly was up there for a while, artistically.
Eventually, he just went for the big-buck MindFuck.
Also what most people don't remember is the live orchestral bands that
accompanied each and every cartoon -- these were MASTER musicians, the best
of the best of the best studio musicians, and included a considerable number
of the jazz greats, including, iirc, Dick Hyman and that crowd. So even
musically, these cartoons were priceless.
Not only was a lot of the music *technically very difficult*, often
requiring extreme virtuosity, it THEN had to be timed to the visuals....
how hard is DAT??? All of it un-edited, un-mixed, and often in ONE
SESSION!!!
Hard to convey this to the musically unaware, but it's like turning shit on
a manual lathe to .00001 -- yeah, four zeroes -- under a rush deadline, in
poor light, on a yawing barge. Yeah, that about captures it!!!
I don't think you could find a band in the world today that could easily
play the Popeye theme music. Not my fav music, f'sure, but goddamm, try
finding someone who technically play that! And that was just one.
Funny, kind of ties in to the original rant:
Old cartoons were TRUE and LEGITIMATE complexity, real testimonies to
achievement. True art, in a word.
And true, road runner was, I believe, the beginning of the demise of real
cartooning, a prelude to our current manic zeitgeist.
Lost times, my friend, lost times.
There is no room for real art amidst the diabolical art of the (m)ass
MindFuck.
--
EA
Existential Angst
Sheeit, when I'm done with these things, I gotta get up and take a shower!!
goodgawd....
And to half-nutz:
I'm really in a paroxysmal spasm over what's happening to us.
It's like someone is operating on me while I'm still alive, or buried me
while I'm alive.
It's effing pert near torture, the psychological equivalent of having a
tooth drilled all fucking day long without novacaine.
So words can't really do justice to the, well, injustice of it all, which is
perhaps why there are so many words.
And what potentiates this torture off the charts is that it doesn't have to
be this way, but the people charged with preventing this are actually a part
of it.
It's like being set up and put in prison for something you didn't do, and
then having the muthafucka that set you up visit you every day, laughing his
head off -- while Bubba is outside, waiting for his next crack at you. holy
shit.....
But, instead, we pretend we're in a retirement home, that the assfucking is
a colonoscopy.
For whatever good any word will actually do.
Word therapy, mebbe?? proly not even that..... goodgawd
David Billington
> "Existential Angst" <UNfi...@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
>>
>>> "BottleBob" <bott...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>>> Existential Angst wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Awl --
>>>>>
>>>>> So, whazzup wit my berler?
>>>>>
>>>> EA:
>>>>
>>>> So what's a berler? I assume from the context that it has something to
>>>> do with your heater.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> BottleBob
>>>> http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yonkers for "boiler." Brooklynese, too.
>>>
>> "boiler", HOW THE FUCK IS IT that "work" is then pronounced as "woik"???
>> There are *numerous* examples of these two.
>>
>> Also, "sister" becomes "sistuh", "her" becomes "huh", BUT THEN "soda"
>> becomes "soder".... WTF?????
>>
>> The assholes on alt.english.usage let me down, yo... those hoity toity
>> muthafuckas dint even unnerstand the Q!!! WTF???
>>
>> Can you please help me?? Can you explain this?
>> --
>> EA
>>
>
> most over-studied and over-analyzed collection of accents in American
> English. But the answer has two parts: Traditional New York accents are
> non-rhotic (they drop a lot of "r's") and, through much of the last century,
> "hypercompensated" (they mistakenly insert "r's" where the don't belong,
> because they're aware of the missing r's and think it sounds low-class. So
> they try to sound high-class by sticking in extra ones.)
>
> I think you'll find an explanation if you search for "non-rhotic." The
> compensation has several different names, none of which I remember, except
> for "hypercompensated."
>
> made a joke out of some of them.
>
>
was held at a place called "Breukelen", I thought "Brooklyn" as New York
was formerly known as New Amsterdam. Apparently it's the case and many
other New York names have the same origin from the Dutch, such as
Harlem. I wonder if it has had any effect on pronunciations in the area.
I don't know the international phonetics for "Breukelen" but in modern
Dutch the ending N would be silent and the word would be something like
"brokela"
Ed Huntress
That's an interesting thought, but, despite all of the Dutch-derived names
that appear in NYC and the Hudson Valley (Harlem, Kill Van Kull, Peter
Stuyvesant Way, etc.), I doubt if there's any influence on pronunciation.
The Dutch presence ended too long ago.
However, there is a renewed interest in the Dutch history of the area:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/27/nyregion/27dutch.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=dutch%20history&st=cse
I live in the part of NJ that was settled by the Dutch, too. There are some
names of roads here that are Dutch, or derived from Dutch. I live less than
five miles from the Arthur Kill. This was part of New Netherland
(Nederland), and the Dutch and Swedes fought it out for this territory
before the English arrived and chased them both out. <g>
--
Ed Huntress
John Husvar
"Existential Angst" <UNfi...@UNoptonline.net> wrote:
>
> And to half-nutz:
>
> I'm really in a paroxysmal spasm over what's happening to us.
>
> It's like someone is operating on me while I'm still alive, or buried me
> while I'm alive.
> It's effing pert near torture, the psychological equivalent of having a
> tooth drilled all fucking day long without novacaine.
>
> So words can't really do justice to the, well, injustice of it all, which is
> perhaps why there are so many words.
> And what potentiates this torture off the charts is that it doesn't have to
> be this way, but the people charged with preventing this are actually a part
> of it.
And, Great Glory to him, EA/PV accidentally reveals just how literate he
*really* is! :)
Your cover's blown EA/PV.
Let PV be crowned King of r.c.m Rants.
Michael A. Terrell
A lot of those old cartoons are available on DVD. I find some at
Best Buy, and some at various Dollar Stores.
I bought a three DVD set of Betty Boop at Best Buy a couple years ago
for about $20. I also have a metal sign with her, out in the shop. :)
--
Greed is the root of all eBay.
Michael A. Terrell
BottleBob wrote:
>
> Existential Angst wrote:
>
> > More than you wanted to know, I'm sure...
>
> EA:
>
> Learning is always good. Thanks for the overview. <g>
>
> I saw on my "timed commercial" news that the mid-west and east coast
> are in for another cold snap. Personally, it would only take one or
> two of those to convince me to pull up roots and move to CA, FL, TX,
> AZ, or SOMEWHERE warmer.
It was 21 degrees this morning, south of Ocala, Fl. is that warm
enough for you? Some schools are closed due to boiler failures, and
others are begging for heavy winter coats for the kids. It was 32
degrees at 11 AM when I went out to my truck to get something.
rangerssuck
wrote:
> Existential Angst wrote:
>
> > "rangerssuck" <rangerss...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Being yer typical bleeding heart liberal, I have to say, "But the
KIDS! Nobody's showing these wonderful cartoons to the KIDS!" Thing
is, though, I'm serious. This is a major part of history being denied
to our children.
rangerssuck
wrote:
> Awl --
>
> Man, I must be in some deep psychic pain, yo, with an acute attack of
> Existential Angst, cuz I cain't seem to stop ranting.
>
> But, beyond this rant, there really is a Q.
>
> Part I:
>
> So my berler is conking out, a shit installation by the assholes Yost &
> Campbell in NYC and thereabouts. Those muthafuckas.....
>
> with my own added-in relays, jumped wires, jumped thermostat, and..... Â big
> assed welding spring clamps ON the circuit board itself, so the shitty
> on-board connections and solder and shitty integrated relays will effing
> work.
>
> In fact, I got spring clamps *on top of* spring clamps, with wood blocks on
> the back of the circuit board to give the  board the "curvature" it needs to
> stay functioning....
> With the whole business dangling on the outside of the berler by some of its
> thicker wires. Â goodgawd.....
>
> And the berler STILL cuts out whenever it wants to, with no alarm code
> sequence on the led!
> Altho, sometimes it does blink out its death-knell code: Â 4 short-5 long,
> which, in Bryant-speak means: Â Change the fucking circuit board.... Â no
> foolin....
>
> So, ahm lookin at this kluged-up mess, wunnerin:
>
> Â Â Â Â Just how fukn COMPLICATED does shit have to be, in order to turn on a
> fukn *gas valve and blower*, and then turn dat shit off  1.  when set point
> is reached  or  2.  if no flame is detected with the gas valve open?
>
> HOW FUKN COMPLICATED DOES THAT HAVE TO BE?????????????????
>
> Well, apparently, VERY complicated, cuz there's a whole goddamm circuit
> board replete with chips/IC's and solid-state doodads -- and of course
> integrated relays so effing small and shitty they couldn't handle a toy
> electric train set, much less a 10+ amp/1200+ watt  blower.
>
> I know how to trace all the limit switches, I completely disassembled the
> gas valve, and yeah, some shit can't be as simple as you'd like.
>
> Iffin you want an Instant Matchining Inferiority Complex, disassembling a
> gas valve, or a carburetor, or an *automatic transmission*, or even a Sears
> washing machine transmission will do it for you.
> Holy shit, that Sears ditty was one piece of humbility pie, for me!
> Wow.....
>
> But, goodgawd, that circuit board just seems to be electronic overkill.
>
> So the Q is:
> Is my Angst just more of my interminable conspiratorial paranoia (CP), or is
> there really a reason for this?
> Is all this shit on the circuit board really doing something, when I could
> do the same effing thing with a few P&B relays and an off-the-shelf flame
> detector?
>
> My intuition tells me this:
> Â Â It DOESN'T have to be that complicated. Â It doesn't have to be
> unservicable. Â It doesn't have to entombed in g-d epoxy.
> But it is, and the reason is obvious: Â it's all toward the end of that Great
> AssFucking in the Sky, our Orwellian Destiny.
>
> But, if my CP has led me asstray, do tell. Â And mebbe give me a clue on my
> effing berler.
>
> Part II:
>
> Gratuitous Complexity for the (M)asses:
>
> I occasionally sit in the common quarters in the purgatory of my employ, and
> watch the weather on one of the networks, with my esteemed blue-collar
> colleagues.
> Few know of my technical background, which is pretty much moot inyway, for
> all the effing good it's done me, but they nevertheless view me as a funny
> duck, especially after the day I exploded with the following:
>
> My male menopause musta been acting up, cuz after about 5 full minutes of
> non-stop fast paced weather prattling by some blonde beefcake in a $5,000
> (at least) suit -- I mean, this guy sounded like a well-dressed auctioneer
> at a Barrett & Jackson Classic Car Assfucking -- after he was FINALLY Â done,
> I turned around and asked the group:
>
> Â Â Â Â Yo, did ONE of you understand a FUKN THING this muthafucka said for
> the past 5 minutes? Â Just HOW FUKN LONG does someone have to babble, how
> much fukn analysis does it take to tell me if it's gonna fukn RAIN tomorrow,
> or if I'll need a goddamm sweater?? Â HOW FUKN LONG does this take???? Â Does
> the circus need to be a FIVE RING circus?????
>
> Then, I swear to god, I bellowed:
> Â Â Â Â Â Â Does ONE FUKN PERSON IN THIS FUKN ROOM Â **now know** what the
> temperature is going to be tomorrow?? Â If it will rain??
> Â Â Â I think one person got the rain right, cuz the whole goddamm fives
> days you saw had that orange thingy for sunshine....
> But NO ONE could tell me what tomorrow's temperature would be. Â Just a bunch
> of glazed-over blinking eyeballs....
>
> Heh, but a few people moved to different tables.....
>
> And that's just the bullshit complexity in the effing *weather*.
>
> Now try listening to that asshole Cramer. Â Or Rush Limbaugh.
> Â Or Geithner, who bleats to Charlie Rose for a full g-d hour on fucking
> """""""confidence""""""" in the economy.
> Sheeit, Geithner, is our economy an *economy*, or a goddamm spirit-calling
> voodoo ritual?????
> You gots to BEELEEEEVE, bruthuh, you gots to BELEEVE!!!
>
> The Queen of Political Triple Speak was, imo, Janet Reno. Â Holy shit, could
> that lady take a long time to convey ABSOLUTELY ZERO information.
> goodgawd.....
>
> It's at the point where our very language, our incoherent thought processes,
> a communication process SATURATED with effing non-sequiturs, Â is SO
> complicated that we can't even *detect* the bullshit any more, cuz, well, we
> are just drowned in it. Â At this point, if we shit in our own pants, we'd
> never know it.
>
> We can't fix our own cars. We can't figger out that a pushup is just an
> upside-down effing bench press.
> Â If I run out of any more welding clamps and duct tape, I won't be able to
> """fix""" my own berler.
>
> And of course, it is by design, I believe.
> Machine shops have and are closing in droves, while skinny dehydrated fucks
> (and of course, that fatassed Tony Little) Â are out there getting rich off
> ab gadgets, whose chance of actually working are about the same as the
> chances of the  latest perpetual motion  scam saving you energy.
>
> With very little hyperbole, I can tell you that I simply don't understand,
> anymore, much of what I hear. Â If I'm feeling industrious, I can do a
> translation, or read between the lines, or mebbe interpolate/extrapyoolate,
> but I just don't understand WTF is being said any more, at first listen.
>
> Largely because, in my own defense, it CAN'T be understood.
>
> I DO unnerstand Donald Trump, tho.
> He is very clear about how great he is, how great his buildings are, and
> great New York is, how great he is, how great his clothes are, how great he
> is, how great his investment strategy is, how great he is.....
> Donald Trump makes all this exceptionally clear, and I can indeed understand
> it.
>
> Epilogue:
>
> So, whazzup wit my berler?
>
>
> If shit becomes un-patchable, they sell a "generic" White Rodgers "furnace
> controller", but you gotta get a separate flame detector, and hope they are
> compatible. Â All for about $150, vs. the $1500 Â Yost & fuknRipoff Campbell
> want to swap out my circuit board.
> Then, I'll just whole-sale strip out all that overly-complexified bullshit,
> add a cupla relays for some shit the WR doesn't handle, and WahLah, a berler
> that hopefully won't explode on me.
>
> There's also a place that makes actual replacement boards for a cupla
> hundred bucks, much cheaper than oem. Â I have the links somewhere if someone
> is innerested. Â But, they too are too complicated....
>
> I just hope dat shit doesn't go totally kaput during these 15 deg days....
> holy shit.... Â altho I spose the oven and stove, with a whole bunch of
> effing fans, could do for a while.
>
> Which brings up another point:
>
> You gotta be an asshole to live in a place with 15 deg weather and effing
> snow.....
> You gotta be an asshole to live in New RipOff York.
> You gotta be an asshole to watch sumpn with 20 minutes of commercials every
> hour.
> You gotta be a REAL asshole to get worked up over effing professional
> sports.
>
> Guilty, here, on the first three.
> --
> EA, and PV'd, apparently, in about 13 different dimensions
So, in the midst of all this stirring conversation, I swear to god, I
got a phone call this afternoon from a sizeable company wanting me to
design....BOILER CONTROLS. No shit. This really happened this
afternoon.
Now, can we switch the conversation to diamond cutting or some such?
BottleBob
> BottleBob wrote:
>> Personally, it would only take one or
>> two of those to convince me to pull up roots and move to CA, FL, TX,
>> AZ, or SOMEWHERE warmer.
>
>
> It was 21 degrees this morning, south of Ocala, Fl. is that warm
> enough for you? Some schools are closed due to boiler failures, and
> others are begging for heavy winter coats for the kids. It was 32
> degrees at 11 AM when I went out to my truck to get something.
MT:
OK, maybe scratch Florida off the "warmer" list. :(
Yesterday in Los Angeles it was 76 for a high, and 52 for an overnight
low.
Snowfall Occurrences 1921-2002 in DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES (Civic Center)
======================================================
Year Month & Amount of Snowfall
1922 January (trace), March (trace)
1935 December (trace)
1947 December (trace)
1949 January (slightly more than 0.3 inches)
1950 April (0.2 inches)
1951 February (trace), March (trace)
1952 January (trace), March (trace), December (trace)
1954 January (0.3 inches), February (trace)
1957 January (trace)
1962 January (trace)
=======================================================
I guess there hasn't been much snow in LA since the "big blizzards" of
'49 & '52 which left .3 inches. LOL
--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
BottleBob
> BottleBob <bott...@earthlink.net> wrote in
>> So what's a berler?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnP_6H0fGZI
>
> Film at 11:00
DM:
Yeah, THAT's not exactly what I want in *MY* basement for heating.
Pass me a couple of blankets, PLEASE! LOL
--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
Ned Simmons
<gly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Whazzup with Massachusetts, tho? �Goodgawd....
>
>Massachusetts is not just Bahstin, Lynn, Reveeyah,
There's Revere and then there's seveeyah Reveeyah -- what we called
the white pumps and big hair in a bikini look while buying clams at
Kelly's on Revere Beach.
I grew up in Nahant with a view of Revere Beach.
--
Ned Simmons
Existential Angst
news:jhusvar-708F25...@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <4b463716$0$22539$607e...@cv.net>,
> "Existential Angst" <UNfi...@UNoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> And to half-nutz:
>>
>> I'm really in a paroxysmal spasm over what's happening to us.
>>
>> It's like someone is operating on me while I'm still alive, or buried me
>> while I'm alive.
>> It's effing pert near torture, the psychological equivalent of having a
>> tooth drilled all fucking day long without novacaine.
>>
>> So words can't really do justice to the, well, injustice of it all, which
>> is
>> perhaps why there are so many words.
>> And what potentiates this torture off the charts is that it doesn't have
>> to
>> be this way, but the people charged with preventing this are actually a
>> part
>> of it.
>
> And, Great Glory to him, EA/PV accidentally reveals just how literate he
> *really* is! :)
>
> Your cover's blown EA/PV.
>
> Let PV be crowned King of r.c.m Rants.
I'm flattered, honored, and duly accept whatever honors rcm shall bestow
upon me.
But, I hope it's not a long walk to the podium, as I have trouble walking,
what with all 36 feet of Congress's Collective Cock shoved up my ass....
Oh, my litiricy: Dat was for the "paroxysmal spasm", right? Yeah, I
impressed myself with that one..... I made very sure to spell it correckly,
too.
--
EA
Wild_Bill
You've probably voided any insurance you might have had.
When I've seen natural gas-exploded homes on TV, there usually isn't any
structure remaining, and nearby homes sustain extensive damage, too.
--
WB
.........
metalworking projects
www.kwagmire.com/metal_proj.html
"Existential Angst" <UNfi...@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:4b453299$0$22547$607e...@cv.net...
> Awl --
>
John Husvar
"Existential Angst" <UNfi...@UNoptonline.net> wrote:
No, dat was for everything from "I'm" to "it." :)
You blew it, Man. You gotta quit with the vocabulary and grammatical
more-or-less correctness if you expect anybody to take your rants less
seriously. For a minute there you read like Ed Huntress, but with a
little dialect.:)
Half-nutz
> Wuuf. Repair the circuit board properly, or replace it.
>
> You've probably voided any insurance you might have had.
>
> When I've seen natural gas-exploded homes on TV, there usually isn't any
> structure remaining, and nearby homes sustain extensive damage, too.
>
> --
> WB
> .........
> metalworking projectswww.kwagmire.com/metal_proj.html
>
>
> news:4b453299$0$22547$607e...@cv.net...
>
> > Awl --
There was a house that exploded in town a few years ago.
I don't think there was any piece bigger than matchbox. Seriously.
There was a person missing, about ALL they found of him was a little
red paste in the woods.
There was a crater in the ground about where the basement was. (TINY)
Pieces landed about a 1/2 mile away.
I wonder WHAT happened?
The concern about losing your insurance is VERY real though.
BottleBob
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnP_6H0fGZI
>>
>> Yeah, THAT's not exactly what I want in *MY* basement for
>> heating.
>> Pass me a couple of blankets, PLEASE! LOL
>>
>
> Heh, that's actually just an ordinary hot water heater with the pressure
> relief valve removed and the heating element controls over-ridden so it
> just keeps on heating.
DM:
So you're saying that Mr. PV's hypothetical steam 'berler' would make
an even BIGGER explosion? Hmmmm... That couldn't be good.
Change my order to "4" blankets, PLEASE.
--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
Michael A. Terrell
BottleBob wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> > BottleBob wrote:
>
> >> Personally, it would only take one or
> >> two of those to convince me to pull up roots and move to CA, FL, TX,
> >> AZ, or SOMEWHERE warmer.
> >
> >
> > It was 21 degrees this morning, south of Ocala, Fl. is that warm
> > enough for you? Some schools are closed due to boiler failures, and
> > others are begging for heavy winter coats for the kids. It was 32
> > degrees at 11 AM when I went out to my truck to get something.
>
> MT:
>
> OK, maybe scratch Florida off the "warmer" list. :(
They are calling for snow in Ocala tonight. The snowbirds are upset.
:(
Winston
> Existential Angst wrote:
>
>> More than you wanted to know, I'm sure...
>
> EA:
>
> Learning is always good. Thanks for the overview. <g>
>
> I saw on my "timed commercial" news that the mid-west and east coast
> SOMEWHERE warmer.
I'd re-think California Bob.
Tonight it's gonna get down to 45 F.
Brrrr!
--Winston
--
Congratulations Robert Piccinini and Steven A. Burd, WalMart Publicists of the Year!
John Husvar
Winston <Win...@bigbrother.net> wrote:
> BottleBob wrote:
> > Existential Angst wrote:
> >
> >> More than you wanted to know, I'm sure...
> >
> > EA:
> >
> > Learning is always good. Thanks for the overview. <g>
> >
> > I saw on my "timed commercial" news that the mid-west and east coast
> > are in for another cold snap. Personally, it would only take one or two
> > of those to convince me to pull up roots and move to CA, FL, TX, AZ, or
> > SOMEWHERE warmer.
>
> I'd re-think California Bob.
>
> Tonight it's gonna get down to 45 F.
It'd be nice if it got up that high here in Akron, OH. We could go
sunbathing. All the way up to 19F this morning. (from 8 last night)
>
> Brrrr!
>
> --Winston
cncmillgil
> BottleBob <bottl...@earthlink.net> wrote innews:pKmdnZ2NU6CsIdvW...@earthlink.com:
>
>
>
> > D Murphy wrote:
> >> BottleBob <bottl...@earthlink.net> wrote in
>
> >>> Â Â Â So what's a berler?
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnP_6H0fGZI
>
> >> Film at 11:00
>
> > DM:
>
> > Â Â Â Yeah, THAT's not exactly what I want in *MY* basement for
> > Â Â Â heating.
> > Pass me a couple of blankets, PLEASE! Â Â LOL
>
> relief valve removed and the heating element controls over-ridden so it
> just keeps on heating.
>
>
> I know where he's coming from though. Th old oil fired double boilers I
> had when I lived in CT were pretty simple. Then I moved to Illinois and
> the old house I had was hot air gas plus a gas water heater, but was
> still pretty simple.
>
> The furnace I have in this house is a mystery. It doesn't use a pilot
> light and it's all "computerized". It's more efficient but I'd probably
> just call someone in to fix it were it to break down. Where the one at
> the old house was pretty straight forward and I did all the repair work
> myself.
>
> On average a couple of houses per year blow up in the greater Chicago
> area. Usually the result of people bypassing the shut off after not
> paying their bill, but every once in a while a faulty appliance will
> fill a house with gas and set it off. When I lived in Downers Grove a
> new house blew up about a mile from my house. My house shook and the
> windows rattled. The explosion knocked the houses next door off of their
> foundations. The house that blew up was obliterated. Two of the three
> people inside were killed.
Saw that one on the news, I'm not that far away. Nat Gas makes great
explosions. Tooth picks afterwords.
I had an "almost" a few years back.
Readers digest version: We had a flood, I had turned off the gas
outside at the meter & electric main when we evacuated. A few days
later I came back to assess damage. Not to bad. Just about 6-8" in the
basement, enough to trash the thermocuple in the HW heater. FYI once
TC's are wet they are no good. Never knew that before this attempt. I
needed to get hot water to take a shower. No problem, turn the gas on
& try lighting the "sealed" combustion chamber on the brand new water
heater I had just installed less than 6mo ago. No go. Take apart seal
(broke the glass of course) & replaced thermocouple. No sweat, changed
a few TC's before. Goter fired up, steped back, light a smoke &
watched the flame for a few minites. This all took about an hour or so
down in the basement. Walk up stairs & HOLY SHIT - strong natural GAS
smell ! What do I do? - It was a moment of panic. I quickly realized
the 25yr old cook top stove pilot lights had been on all this time.
Thus the new pilot less igniters now days. All said & done, nothing
blowed up. But man, those news pictures of the house in Downers
flashed through my head. What if I walked up stairs with my cigarette?
That my friends is how houses blow up.
I'm I fanatic on CO2& explosive gas - buy the detectors! Mine were
less than $50.
PV: if all else fails, a nutty plumber buddy showed me this whilst
building a new house in the winter, uncap a 1/2" gas pipe that has a
shut off valve, light your lighter & turn on the gas! Talk about nutz!
Its only about 2-3psi inside the house after the pressure regulator
outside.
>
> So when in doubt, call in a pro.
>
> The other upside to the computerized furnaces and HWH's is that not
> having a pilot light is safer. A lot of folks have set their house on
> fire when the bug spray, bug bombs, spray paint, varnish fumes, gasoline
> fumes, etc hits the pilot light. Foom!
>
> --
>
> Dan
--
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Winston
> In article <hi97r...@news1.newsguy.com>,
> Winston <Win...@bigbrother.net> wrote:
(...)
>> Tonight it's gonna get down to 45 F.
>
> It'd be nice if it got up that high here in Akron, OH. We could go
> sunbathing. All the way up to 19F this morning. (from 8 last night)
You are made of stern stuff, John.
Michael A. Terrell
It snowed in Ocala last night. I have some photos of it in the bed of
my truck, on its hood and roof along with a couple roofs with some
snow. This is classed as a sub-tropical area.
I will post them to my Flicker account as soon as it's warm enough to
use my other computer. :(
Jim Wilkins
wrote:
> ...
> Â Â It snowed in Ocala last night. I have some photos of it in the bed of
> my truck, on its hood and roof along with a couple roofs with some
> snow. Â This is classed as a sub-tropical area.
Funny, New England is having a mild winter (ie the same as yours).
jsw
Jim Wilkins
wrote:
> In <6f9ae0a7-c9c4-43a8-853a-5ec67acc6...@upsg2000gro.googlegroups.com>, on
> Sat, 9 Jan 2010 18:06:54 -0800 (PST), Jim Wilkins, kb1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Funny, New England is having a mild winter (ie the same as yours).
>
> -10F at the moment. Â It's been cold there pretty much
> all of Dec and this month to date. Â
The southern part has been in the 20's with occasional light flurries
all week, unusually steady weather for us. This time of year we often
drop to zero F.
In the 70's my father had friends at the Ammonoosuc golf course near
Lisbon. According to them temps dropped to -40 fairly often, but I
haven't noticed even -30F on weather reports recently. I remember -30F
in Concord, -20F in Durham. Some temperature records show a max in the
1930's, then a drop to a minimum around 1970 and now we are back
closer to 1930's levels.
jsw
Kirk Gordon
>
> Some people really get into it. I wish I had time for it, because I find it
> really interesting. I guess it goes with an interest in writing.
>
> BTW, I've lived in six different states, in three distinct parts of the
> country, and my South Jersey (where I was born) accent is almost completely
> gone. There was a linguist at Michigan State who found me very interesting.
> She was real nice looking, too. d8-)
>
> If I let down, though, and say "tomato," "potato," or the like, in ordinary
> conversation, anyone who knows his stuff will peg me as South Jersey or
> Philadelphia without a moment's hesitation. ("schwa" phonetic -- apparently
> it never completely leaves you)
Years ago, I had an experience with the "it never completely leaves
you" phenomenon. I was in a meeting with maybe a dozen engineers,
discussing a project. The person running the meeting was from Tennessee.
Uh... Sorry... That's TENNessee, not TennesSEE.
The rest of the people in the meeting were, like me, from
Southeastern Michigan. My contribution to the meeting happened early,
and then I got to sit back and listen to the rest. And as I listened, a
funny thing happened. Slowly, gradually, everybody else in the meeting
started talking with little bits of a TENNessee accent. Not much; but
just enough that I could hear it happening. I'd heard this sort of
thing before, and even fallen into it myself; but in this case it was
like it was playing out on a stage, and I got to see and hear it with
remarkable clarity.
It's worth noting that this meeting took place in maybe 1978 or '79,
not long after the first Star Wars movie had been released.
As the meeting ended, I found myself alone in the room with guy from
TENNessee. Just for fun and conversation, I asked him about what I'd
noticed. "Why is it", I said, "that someone from the South will never
lose his accent, no matter where he goes or how long he stays there; but
people like me, and the rest of this group, will start to sound like you
after only an hour of conversation?"
He looked at me for a moment, considering the question. Then he
smiled and said "The force kin give ye power over weak mahnds."
True story.
KG
Ed Huntress
"Kirk Gordon" <k...@gordon-eng2.com> wrote in message
news:4B4950BA...@gordon-eng2.com...
Ha! Yes, that's a good one. I've noticed what you're talking about; I do it
sometimes myself, when I'm in south Jersey, with my mother's cousins, who
have an accent so thick you could cut it.
The sound that really kills me is an Appalachian twang. I lived in
Hagerstown, Maryland, when it was a lot more remote than it is now, and it
sounded like the hills of West Virginia.
And don't get me started on that Northern Cities Vowel Shift. My in-laws
have it so bad that I sometimes can't understand what they're saying. They
live about 25 mi. SW of Chicago, where it's really strong. And they don't
notice it at all. They don't know what I'm talking about when I mention
their accent.
--
Ed Huntress
Existential Angst
It IS a force.... yo...
Nary a Bri'ish rock'n'roller speaks bri'ish on stage, allof'em sound like
bruhthuhs'n'shit -- including Dusty Springfield (Son of a Preacher Man, in
which she kicked Aretha's azz, yo).
Excepting, of course, for those dweebs Herman's Hermits -- Mrs. Brown you
have a lovely daugh'er... goodgawd....
Even fukn Abba, who spoke no effing Englich at all, got a bit of the drawl,
y'all....
Meanwhile, Tina Turner (from the Bayou) acquired a Bri'ish accent....
WTF??? fukn hilarious.....
Tough to pin her down, tho, cuz, well, Bri'ish accent or not, she's
basically incoherent -- Ike mighta done slapped her too hard too often....
Funnier than when suburbiboyz try to get down is when the southern
illiterati try to get literate'n'properized right quick. goodgawd, dat makes
my teeth hurt....
Marilyn Monroe (heeyyy, norma jean) always carried around a thick book --
nary a crack in the binding, tho.
Mebbe she wanted JFK, Bobby, and the rest of Congress to read to her
first....
--
EA
>
> True story.
>
> KG
>
>
cncmillgil
wrote:
> In <ab30b6fb-5879-4c0d-95fb-153742a6f...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>, on
> Sat, 9 Jan 2010 19:57:32 -0800 (PST), Jim Wilkins, kb1...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > The southern part has been in the 20's with occasional light flurries
> > all week, unusually steady weather for us. This time of year we often
> > drop to zero F.
>
> immediately obvious at the opening zoom level,
> but there are 8 markers in the "southern NH" zone,
> even if a couple are over the border into ME:http://wizard.dyndns.org/sandbox/I_ve_lived_here.html
>
> > In the 70's my father had friends at the Ammonoosuc golf course near
> > Lisbon. According to them temps dropped to -40 fairly often, but I
> > haven't noticed even -30F on weather reports recently.
>
> Winter before, one night dropped to -34F.
> Â This year we're renting it out, so I keep tabs on
> the weather station down by the river as well as the
> one on wunderground.http://twoloonscoffee.com/temp.html
>
> > I remember -30F
> > in Concord, -20F in Durham. Some temperature records show a max in the
> > 1930's, then a drop to a minimum around 1970 and now we are back
> > closer to 1930's levels.
>
> school on Pease. Â I don't recall which year it was but
> there was a big deal made about a few days of really
> cold weather, at least one of which was a -60F chill
> factor (daytime). Â I don't recall what the mercury
> read (or whether we'd already replaced the Hg one with
> an alcohol thermometer), but I sure remember wishing I
> could have taken lunch instead of having to walk home
> for lunch in that. Â (My mother was from MN, so my
> complaints and then pleas to stay home for the
> afternoon fell on unsympathetic ears.)
>
> --
> ☯☯
Snow !
December 8 6:00 PM
It started to snow. The first snow of the season and the wife and I
took
our
cocktails and sat for hours by the window watching the huge soft
flakes
drift
down from heaven. It looked like a Grandma Moses print. So romantic we
felt
like
newlyweds again. I love snow!
December 9
We woke to a beautiful blanket of crystal white snow covering every
inch
of
the landscape. What a fantastic sight! Can there be a more lovely
place in
the
whole world? Moving here was the best idea I've ever had! Shoveled
for the
first time in years and felt like a boy again. I did both our driveway
and
the
sidewalks. This afternoon the snowplow came along and covered up the
sidewalks
and closed in the driveway, so I got to shovel again. What a perfect
life!
December 12
The sun has melted all our lovely snow. Such a disappointment! My
neighbor
tells me not to worry-we'll definitely have a white Christmas. No
snow on
Christmas would be awful! Bob says we'll have so much snow by the end
of
winter,
that I'll never want to see snow again. I don't think that's possible.
Bob
is
such a nice man, I'm glad he's our neighbor.
December 14
Snow, lovely snow! 8 inches last night. The temperature dropped to
-20.
The
cold makes everything sparkle so. The wind took my breath away, but I
warmed
up
by shoveling the driveway and sidewalks. This is the life! The
snowplow
came
back this afternoon and buried everything again. I didn't realize I
would
have
to do quite this much shoveling, but I'll certainly get back in shape
this
way.
I wish I wouldn't huff and puff so.
December 15
20 inches forecast. Sold my van and bought a 4x4 Blazer. Bought snow
tires
for
the wife's car and 2 extra shovels. Stocked the freezer. The wife
wants a
wood
stove in case the electricity goes out. I think that's silly. We
aren't in
Alaska, after all.
December 16
Ice storm this morning. Fell on my butt on the ice in the driveway
putting
down salt. Hurt like hell. The wife laughed for an hour, which I think
was
very
cruel.
December 17
Still way below freezing. Roads are too icy to go anywhere.
Electricity
was
off for 5 hours. I had to pile the blankets on to stay warm. Nothing
to do
but
stare at the wife and try not to irritate her. Guess I should've
bought a
wood
stove, but won't admit it to her. God I hate it when she's right. I
can't
believe I'm freezing to death in my own living room.
December 20
Electricity is back on, but had another 14 inches of the damn stuff
last
night. More shoveling! Took all day. The damn snowplow came by twice.
Tried
to
find a neighbor kid to shovel, but they said they're too busy playing
hockey. I
think they're lying. Called the only hardware store around to see
about
buying
a snow blower and they're out. Might have
another shipment in March. I think they're lying Bob says I have to
shovel
or
the city will have it done and bill me. I think he's lying.
December 22
Bob was right about a white Christmas because 13 more inches of the
white
shit
fell today, and it's so cold, it probably won't melt till August. Took
me 45
minutes to get all dressed up to go out to shovel and then I had to
piss. By
the
time I got undressed, pissed and dressed again. I was too tired to
shovel.
Tried
to hire Bob who has a plow on his truck for the rest of
the winter, but he says he's too busy. I think the asshole is lying.
December 23
Only 2 inches of snow today. And it warmed up to 0. The wife wanted
me to
decorate the front of the house this morning. What is she,Nuts?!! Why
didn't
she
tell me to do that a month ago? She says she did but I think she's
lying.
December 24
6 inches - Snow packed so hard by snowplow, I broke the shovel.
Thought I
was
having a heart attack. If I ever catch the son of a bitch who drives
that
snow
plow, I'll drag him through the snow by his balls and beat him to
death with
my
broken shovel. I know he hides around the corner and waits for me to
finish
shoveling and then he comes down the street at a 100 miles an hour and
throws
snow all over where I've just been! Tonight the wife wanted me to sing
Christmas
carols with her and open our presents, but I was too busy watching for
the
damn
snowplow.
December 25
Merry fricking Christmas! 20 more inches of the damn slop tonight -
Snowed
in.
The idea of shoveling makes my blood boil. God, I hate the snow! Then
the
snowplow driver came by asking for a donation and I hit him over the
head
with
my shovel. The wife says I have a bad attitude. I think she's a
fricking
idiot.
If I have to watch "It's A Wonderful Life" one more time, I'm going to
stuff
her
into the microwave.
December 26
Still snowed in. Why the hell did I ever move here? It was all HER
idea.
She's really getting on my nerves.
December 27
Temperature dropped to -30 and the pipes froze; plumber came after
14
hours of
waiting for him, he only charged me $1,400 to replace all my pipes.
December 28
Warmed up to above -20. Still snowed in. The BITCH is driving me
crazy!!!
December 29
10 more inches. Bob says I have to shovel the roof or it could cave
in.
That's
the silliest thing I ever heard. How dumb does he think I am?
December 30
Roof caved in. I beat up the snow plow driver, and now he is suing
me for
a
million dollars, not only for the beating I gave him, but also for
trying to
shove the broken snow shovel up his ass. The wife went home to her
mother.
Nine
more inches predicted.
December 31
I set fire to what's left of the house. No more shoveling.
January 8
Feel so good. I just love those little white pills they keep giving
me.
Why am
I tied to the bed?
--
~g~
Existential Angst
news:5NCdnXUqVchpKtvW...@earthlink.com...
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> BottleBob wrote:
>
>>> Personally, it would only take one or
>>> two of those to convince me to pull up roots and move to CA, FL, TX,
>>> AZ, or SOMEWHERE warmer.
>>
>>
>> It was 21 degrees this morning, south of Ocala, Fl. is that warm
>> enough for you? Some schools are closed due to boiler failures, and
>> others are begging for heavy winter coats for the kids. It was 32
>> degrees at 11 AM when I went out to my truck to get something.
>
> MT:
>
> OK, maybe scratch Florida off the "warmer" list. :(
It's 20 deg in Florida cuz it's 75 deg at the ice caps.
Dats cuz very few people realize that the Coriolis effect is flinging all
the CO2 we profligately produce out to the poles, creating a local warming
effect.
So, Florida will be cold AND flooded soon, and N'Yawkas will be in for a
Tropicana PV'g -- again....
The doomsdayers are talking 20-90 ft of sea-level rise. Between 50 ft of
sea level rise and/or 6 mile diameter asteroids, fuknHistory Channel is
either soothsayer extreeordinaire, or the MindFuck of the century.
What will I do for soothsaying/mindfucking if I cancel Cable, yo?
--
EA
Ed Huntress
"Existential Angst" <UNfi...@UNoptonline.net> wrote in message
> "BottleBob" <bott...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:5NCdnXUqVchpKtvW...@earthlink.com...
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>> BottleBob wrote:
>>
>>>> Personally, it would only take one or
>>>> two of those to convince me to pull up roots and move to CA, FL, TX,
>>>> AZ, or SOMEWHERE warmer.
>>>
>>>
>>> It was 21 degrees this morning, south of Ocala, Fl. is that warm
>>> enough for you? Some schools are closed due to boiler failures, and
>>> others are begging for heavy winter coats for the kids. It was 32
>>> degrees at 11 AM when I went out to my truck to get something.
>>
>> MT:
>>
>> OK, maybe scratch Florida off the "warmer" list. :(
>
> It's 20 deg in Florida cuz it's 75 deg at the ice caps.
>
> Dats cuz very few people realize that the Coriolis effect is flinging all
> the CO2 we profligately produce out to the poles, creating a local warming
> effect.
>
> So, Florida will be cold AND flooded soon, and N'Yawkas will be in for a
> Tropicana PV'g -- again....
>
I'm looking for a deal on palm trees. I saw some growing in NJ last year,
down near Ft. Dix. No kidding.
I imagine it's a lot of work to keep them alive through the winter, but it
does give you a wack up the side of the head to see them here.
--
Ed Huntress
Martin H. Eastburn
Just like sub zero Hibiscus !
Martin
Ed Huntress
"Martin H. Eastburn" <lion...@consolidated.net> wrote in message
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> There are cold weather Palms.
> Just like sub zero Hibiscus !
>
> Martin
That's a dissappointing fact. I was hoping I could encourage warmer weather
with one -- or at least warm-weather thinking.
My first memories of Florida when I was a kid, around age 11, was that the
palm trees would tell me that we'd arrived, as we drove south along the old
coast roads (before I-95). And there they were, just like in a movie -- only
we had just crossed the border into South Carolina. <g>
--
Ed Huntress
Jim Wilkins
> ...d encourage warmer weather
> with one -- or at least warm-weather thinking.
>
> My first memories of Florida when I was a kid, around age 11, was that the
> palm trees would tell me that we'd arrived, as we drove south along the old
> coast roads (before I-95). And there they were, just like in a movie -- only
> we had just crossed the border into South Carolina. <g>
I recognized South Carolina by the firecracker signs.
Also Tennessee by the bad roads. My grandparents lived so far back in
the mountains that it wasn't too hot and there weren't any black
people, other signs of where we were. Kudzu hadn't even found them.
jsw
Bill
"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4b4556a4$0$4971$607e...@cv.net...> news:0dKdnWnc1ItMztjW...@earthlink.com...
>> Existential Angst wrote:
>>> Awl --
>>
>>> So, whazzup wit my berler?
>>
>> EA:
>>
>> So what's a berler? I assume from the context that it has something to
>> do with your heater.
>>
>>
>> --
>> BottleBob
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
>>
>
> Yonkers for "boiler." Brooklynese, too.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress (who once lived across the Bronx River Parkway from Yonkers,
> in Mount Voinin)
They call toilets "terlets".
Ed Huntress
"Bill" <upnru...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"Hypercorrection." That was one of Archie Bunker's favorites. Discussed
further along in the thread.
--
Ed Huntress
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> BottleBob wrote:
>
>>> Personally, it would only take one or
>>> two of those to convince me to pull up roots and move to CA, FL, TX,
>>> AZ, or SOMEWHERE warmer.
>>
>>
>> It was 21 degrees this morning, south of Ocala, Fl. is that warm
>> enough for you? Some schools are closed due to boiler failures, and
>> others are begging for heavy winter coats for the kids. It was 32
>> degrees at 11 AM when I went out to my truck to get something.
>
>MT:
>
> OK, maybe scratch Florida off the "warmer" list. :(
>
> Yesterday in Los Angeles it was 76 for a high, and 52 for an overnight
>low.
>
>Snowfall Occurrences 1921-2002 in DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES (Civic Center)
>
>======================================================
>Year Month & Amount of Snowfall
>1922 January (trace), March (trace)
>1935 December (trace)
>1947 December (trace)
>1949 January (slightly more than 0.3 inches)
>1950 April (0.2 inches)
>1951 February (trace), March (trace)
>1952 January (trace), March (trace), December (trace)
>1954 January (0.3 inches), February (trace)
>1957 January (trace)
>1962 January (trace)
>=======================================================
>
> I guess there hasn't been much snow in LA since the "big blizzards" of
>'49 & '52 which left .3 inches. LOL
This of course is going to be interesting...given that Monday here in
California is supposed to be snowing....gonna get some snow from the
expected 20" of rain thats supposed to fall from Monday -Thur.
Must be some of that Gorbal Warming stuff eh?
Michael A. Terrell
Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> This of course is going to be interesting...given that Monday here in
> California is supposed to be snowing....gonna get some snow from the
> expected 20" of rain thats supposed to fall from Monday -Thur.
>
> Must be some of that Gorbal Warming stuff eh?
Al Bore has stolen too many Carbon Credits out your way.
Wes
>> Oh, you know :"idear" is my fav mis-rhotic, right?
>
>And you'll hear that particular one in other parts of the country, as well.
We speak Standard English up in the north of michigan.
Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller
Ed Huntress
"Wes" <clu...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>> Oh, you know :"idear" is my fav mis-rhotic, right?
>>
>>And you'll hear that particular one in other parts of the country, as
>>well.
>
>
> We speak Standard English up in the north of michigan.
>
> Wes
The hell you do. <g>
--
Ed Huntress
Wes
>> We speak Standard English up in the north of michigan.
>>
>> Wes
>
>The hell you do. <g>
Hell is in Michigan. Btw, you live in New Jersey, not Joisey. ;)
Wes
Ed Huntress
> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>> We speak Standard English up in the north of michigan.
>>>
>>> Wes
>>
>>The hell you do. <g>
>
>
> Hell is in Michigan.
Yes it is. I always wanted to take the tour but never got there.
> Btw, you live in New Jersey, not Joisey. ;)
>
> Wes
When you say "standard English," you may be referring to standard North
American syntax and vocabulary. If so, then yes, most educated Americans
speak roughly the same dialect today.
But pronunciation varies widely. Michigan has four or five different
accents. Not knowing where you live, exactly, I can't point you to anything
specific. If you're interested, though, here are samples:
http://web.ku.edu/~idea/northamerica/usa/michigan/michigan.htm
There are lots of individual pronunciations that will mean something to you
if you track such pronunciations in other parts of the country, but they
don't mean a lot standing by themselves. Still, it's interesting:
http://www4.uwm.edu/FLL/linguistics/dialect/staticmaps/state_MI.html
Anyway, your personal pronunciations may be different, but there are
definite differences between Michigan pronunciations and those of the most
"neutral" part of the country, which is a large area of the West coast.
There are a few pronunciations of mine that give me away as mid-Atlantic,
but people rarely think I'm from NJ. That's because the remnants of my
accent are Philadelphia/Delaware Valley/South Jersey, not New York/Northeast
New Jersey. It's the latter that most people think of as a "Jersey" accent,
because that's what you hear on TV shows like "The Sopranos." But in fact
that is a very local and ethnic (Italian) accent in NJ. It's about like
Brooklyn. Most of us rarely hear that accent in real life. Only on TV.
--
Ed Huntress
Gunner Asch
>"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>> Oh, you know :"idear" is my fav mis-rhotic, right?
>>
>>And you'll hear that particular one in other parts of the country, as well.
>
>
>We speak Standard English up in the north of michigan.
>
>Wes
Oh ya shure! Ya eh?!
Gunner, Raised Yooper..who it is said..starts talking Yooper when he is
really really pissed.
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766
pyotr filipivich
about Sun, 17 Jan 2010 05:49:42 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>
>> I guess there hasn't been much snow in LA since the "big blizzards" of
>>'49 & '52 which left .3 inches. LOL
>
>
>This of course is going to be interesting...given that Monday here in
>California is supposed to be snowing....gonna get some snow from the
>expected 20" of rain thats supposed to fall from Monday -Thur.
>
>Must be some of that Gorbal Warming stuff eh?
Be glad for Global Warming. Just think how cold it was if there
hadn't been any Global Warming? Oh yes in deedy.
BTW - has anyone taken another look at the 1983 TAPPS Study? The
one which predicted a nuclear winter if there was a large "exchange"
of nuclear devices (aka Atomic and Hydrogen Bombs, A-Bomb, Nuclear
Bombs, etc).
I mean, it does seem a simple way to accomplish so many
progressive goals at one. Reduce the Earth's Population, Reduce the
Carbon Footprint of the Industrialized Nations. Reverse Global
Warming. Eliminate most of the nuclear weapon stockpiles in the
world.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
Wes
>
>"Wes" <clu...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>news:oeN4n.79157$dl4....@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> We speak Standard English up in the north of michigan.
>>>>
>>>> Wes
>>>
>>>The hell you do. <g>
>>
>>
>> Hell is in Michigan.
>
>Yes it is. I always wanted to take the tour but never got there.
>
>> Btw, you live in New Jersey, not Joisey. ;)
>>
>> Wes
>
>When you say "standard English," you may be referring to standard North
>American syntax and vocabulary. If so, then yes, most educated Americans
>speak roughly the same dialect today.
>
>But pronunciation varies widely. Michigan has four or five different
>accents. Not knowing where you live, exactly, I can't point you to anything
>specific. If you're interested, though, here are samples:
>
>http://web.ku.edu/~idea/northamerica/usa/michigan/michigan.htm
That Michigan 3 seemed a bit out of place. Maybe an exile from NYC living in Trenton, NJ.
Might even wonder if the guy is Jewish.
The other ones I sampled seemed pretty normal.
>
>There are lots of individual pronunciations that will mean something to you
>if you track such pronunciations in other parts of the country, but they
>don't mean a lot standing by themselves. Still, it's interesting:
>
>http://www4.uwm.edu/FLL/linguistics/dialect/staticmaps/state_MI.html
>
>Anyway, your personal pronunciations may be different, but there are
>definite differences between Michigan pronunciations and those of the most
>"neutral" part of the country, which is a large area of the West coast.
I'm assuming we are leaving out "valley gurl" ? ;)
>
>There are a few pronunciations of mine that give me away as mid-Atlantic,
>but people rarely think I'm from NJ. That's because the remnants of my
>accent are Philadelphia/Delaware Valley/South Jersey, not New York/Northeast
>New Jersey. It's the latter that most people think of as a "Jersey" accent,
>because that's what you hear on TV shows like "The Sopranos." But in fact
>that is a very local and ethnic (Italian) accent in NJ. It's about like
>Brooklyn. Most of us rarely hear that accent in real life. Only on TV.
Normally when I think Jersey, I think of my adopta dad's Polish family. Well there was an
aunt (ANT) that was Italian but she didn't have a lot of influence.
Some regions have strong accents. Texans sound like Texans, Georgians like Georgians, and
when I was speaking to a gent at Starrett today, it was certain he wasn't calling from a
call center in India rather than Mass.
I *thought* Indiana had a neutral accent until I ran into some people that lived near my
former part of the state. Those people have an accent. Don't know how I missed that 35
years ago.
My great uncles kids have a bit of accent. Their mom is a WWII British war bride that is
still living and as kids they spent a part of every year up in Alaska hunting it tends to
make them sound like Canadian's that immigrated from England.
Wes
>When you say "standard English," you may be referring to standard North
>American syntax and vocabulary. If so, then yes, most educated Americans
>speak roughly the same dialect today.
Darn, blew right past your most important point. I agree with that one. I wonder how
much effect national commentators on television have on the leveling of accents?
John R. Carroll
Michigander's are pretty easy to spot Wes, especially Southeast ones. People
knew I was from Michigan for the first five years I was in California
without my telling them. Hoosier's have a sort of distinctive twang. People
from S.E. Michigan verbalize through their noses.
The rest of the state isn't much different but I can tell Detroiter from the
other side of a crowded, noisy room.
You just don't notice and I never did either.
--
John R. Carroll
Ed Huntress
> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>When you say "standard English," you may be referring to standard North
>>American syntax and vocabulary. If so, then yes, most educated Americans
>>speak roughly the same dialect today.
>
> Darn, blew right past your most important point. I agree with that one.
> I wonder how
> much effect national commentators on television have on the leveling of
> accents?
>
> Wes
That's a good question. It's been studied and the general response is that
it's had a lot of effect, starting with radio, and becoming strongest when
practically everyone listened to the national news on one of the three
broadcast networks. The '50s through the '70s, IIRC, was the time that many
linguists noted the partial homogenization of American accents.
But I remember that as a former student of TV & Radio (Telecommunications),
not from my hop-scotch reading of linguistics. So a linguistics pro would be
the one to ask.
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Wes" <clu...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>news:oeN4n.79157$dl4....@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> We speak Standard English up in the north of michigan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wes
>>>>
>>>>The hell you do. <g>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hell is in Michigan.
>>
>>Yes it is. I always wanted to take the tour but never got there.
>>
>>> Btw, you live in New Jersey, not Joisey. ;)
>>>
>>> Wes
>>
>>When you say "standard English," you may be referring to standard North
>>American syntax and vocabulary. If so, then yes, most educated Americans
>>speak roughly the same dialect today.
>>
>>But pronunciation varies widely. Michigan has four or five different
>>accents. Not knowing where you live, exactly, I can't point you to
>>anything
>>specific. If you're interested, though, here are samples:
>>
>>http://web.ku.edu/~idea/northamerica/usa/michigan/michigan.htm
>
>
> That Michigan 3 seemed a bit out of place. Maybe an exile from NYC living
> in Trenton, NJ.
> Might even wonder if the guy is Jewish.
It does sound more Eastern-urban than the others. The ones from Detroit have
a mild, but noticeable Northern Cities Vowel Shift. That sound really stands
out to us Easterners, and we usually identify people who have that sound as
upper-Midwest.
The ones from Ishpeming and L'Anse are definitely Yoopers -- they have a
vowel shift, but not in the same direction. It's called "Canadian Raising,"
if you're interested. <g>
The others have the "Mary-marry-merry merger," another Midwest
characteristic identified with Inland North American dialect. It's stronger
in Wisconsin, but the whole region shows traces of it, especially from
people who have been planted there all their lives.
>
> The other ones I sampled seemed pretty normal.
Of course. That's what you hear every day. <g>
>
>>
>>There are lots of individual pronunciations that will mean something to
>>you
>>if you track such pronunciations in other parts of the country, but they
>>don't mean a lot standing by themselves. Still, it's interesting:
>>
>>http://www4.uwm.edu/FLL/linguistics/dialect/staticmaps/state_MI.html
>>
>>Anyway, your personal pronunciations may be different, but there are
>>definite differences between Michigan pronunciations and those of the most
>>"neutral" part of the country, which is a large area of the West coast.
>
> I'm assuming we are leaving out "valley gurl" ? ;)
<g> Yes, there are local dialects, but a lot of the far West is largely free
of the vowel shifts, raisings, non-rhotic pronunciations, and so on, that
the rest of us have in our pronunciations.
>
>>
>>There are a few pronunciations of mine that give me away as mid-Atlantic,
>>but people rarely think I'm from NJ. That's because the remnants of my
>>accent are Philadelphia/Delaware Valley/South Jersey, not New
>>York/Northeast
>>New Jersey. It's the latter that most people think of as a "Jersey"
>>accent,
>>because that's what you hear on TV shows like "The Sopranos." But in fact
>>that is a very local and ethnic (Italian) accent in NJ. It's about like
>>Brooklyn. Most of us rarely hear that accent in real life. Only on TV.
>
> Normally when I think Jersey, I think of my adopta dad's Polish family.
> Well there was an
> aunt (ANT) that was Italian but she didn't have a lot of influence.
In the northeast corner of the state there are several very local, ethnic
dialects that still survive. They're for the experts to sort out. I just
recognize them as New York-area ethnic (Italian, Polish, or Irish, mostly).
If you ever watch the new TV show "Jersey Shore" (which is unlikely <g>)
you'll hear a real hard-core Bergan County Italian pronunciation. The show
supposedly takes place in Seaside Heights, where I spent many days when I
was in high school. I'll be darned if I can remember ever hearing that harsh
accent down there, but you do hear it from time to time when those Bergan
County folks get loose. d8-)
>
> Some regions have strong accents. Texans sound like Texans, Georgians
> like Georgians, and
> when I was speaking to a gent at Starrett today, it was certain he wasn't
> calling from a
> call center in India rather than Mass.
>
> I *thought* Indiana had a neutral accent until I ran into some people that
> lived near my
> former part of the state. Those people have an accent. Don't know how I
> missed that 35
> years ago.
>
> My great uncles kids have a bit of accent. Their mom is a WWII British
> war bride that is
> still living and as kids they spent a part of every year up in Alaska
> hunting it tends to
> make them sound like Canadian's that immigrated from England.
>
> Wes
Well, as I said, it can be interesting. The more you learn about it the more
you get into it. My dad was more into it than I am, and he was a lot better
at spotting where people come from. He seemed to pick up the interest when
he was in the Marines in WWII.
--
Ed Huntress
Wes
>The rest of the state isn't much different but I can tell Detroiter from the
>other side of a crowded, noisy room.
>You just don't notice and I never did either.
I guess you have to move away to notice.
Wes
>> That Michigan 3 seemed a bit out of place. Maybe an exile from NYC living
>> in Trenton, NJ.
>> Might even wonder if the guy is Jewish.
>
>It does sound more Eastern-urban than the others. The ones from Detroit have
>a mild, but noticeable Northern Cities Vowel Shift. That sound really stands
>out to us Easterners, and we usually identify people who have that sound as
>upper-Midwest.
I can usually spot a still working Detroiter by being over fed, a mustach and some wierd
beard, expensive SUV, home on a lake near me that he paid too much for, looking down on us
non union locals. They seem to be becoming few and far between now. That UAW sticker on
their SUV is a tell.
>
>The ones from Ishpeming and L'Anse are definitely Yoopers -- they have a
>vowel shift, but not in the same direction. It's called "Canadian Raising,"
>if you're interested. <g>
I'll have to listen to those. I was looking for the eh factor but got tired of listening.
>
>The others have the "Mary-marry-merry merger," another Midwest
>characteristic identified with Inland North American dialect. It's stronger
>in Wisconsin, but the whole region shows traces of it, especially from
>people who have been planted there all their lives.
>
>>
>> The other ones I sampled seemed pretty normal.
>
>Of course. That's what you hear every day. <g>
No chit ;)
>
>>
>>>
>>>There are lots of individual pronunciations that will mean something to
>>>you
>>>if you track such pronunciations in other parts of the country, but they
>>>don't mean a lot standing by themselves. Still, it's interesting:
>>>
>>>http://www4.uwm.edu/FLL/linguistics/dialect/staticmaps/state_MI.html
>>>
>>>Anyway, your personal pronunciations may be different, but there are
>>>definite differences between Michigan pronunciations and those of the most
>>>"neutral" part of the country, which is a large area of the West coast.
>>
>> I'm assuming we are leaving out "valley gurl" ? ;)
>
><g> Yes, there are local dialects, but a lot of the far West is largely free
>of the vowel shifts, raisings, non-rhotic pronunciations, and so on, that
>the rest of us have in our pronunciations.
Tom Brokaw, someone not from my area, seems to have little accent to me. Same for Shep
Smith that is from down south. He seems to have lost what little he had over time. I
guess working from NYC has that effect. You stick me back in any state I've lived in and
I tend to start talking like the locals. I guess, I like to fit in wherever I go. I used
to joke, the only place I've been is Japan where I didn't pick up a local accent.
>
>>
>>>
>>>There are a few pronunciations of mine that give me away as mid-Atlantic,
>>>but people rarely think I'm from NJ. That's because the remnants of my
>>>accent are Philadelphia/Delaware Valley/South Jersey, not New
>>>York/Northeast
>>>New Jersey. It's the latter that most people think of as a "Jersey"
>>>accent,
>>>because that's what you hear on TV shows like "The Sopranos." But in fact
>>>that is a very local and ethnic (Italian) accent in NJ. It's about like
>>>Brooklyn. Most of us rarely hear that accent in real life. Only on TV.
>>
>> Normally when I think Jersey, I think of my adopta dad's Polish family.
>> Well there was an
>> aunt (ANT) that was Italian but she didn't have a lot of influence.
>
>In the northeast corner of the state there are several very local, ethnic
>dialects that still survive. They're for the experts to sort out. I just
>recognize them as New York-area ethnic (Italian, Polish, or Irish, mostly).
>If you ever watch the new TV show "Jersey Shore" (which is unlikely <g>)
I don't get broadcast tv. Fox news, Cspan, Comedy Channel to get Stewart and Colbert's
take is enough for me. Every once in a while, JS puts on a good show when he gets
outraged by those he belives in that did wrong. Liberals listen to Rush, Conservatives
watch Jon Stewart. We watch each other.
>you'll hear a real hard-core Bergan County Italian pronunciation. The show
>supposedly takes place in Seaside Heights, where I spent many days when I
>was in high school. I'll be darned if I can remember ever hearing that harsh
>accent down there, but you do hear it from time to time when those Bergan
>County folks get loose. d8-)
You much more into accent than I am.
>
>>
>> Some regions have strong accents. Texans sound like Texans, Georgians
>> like Georgians, and
>> when I was speaking to a gent at Starrett today, it was certain he wasn't
>> calling from a
>> call center in India rather than Mass.
>>
>> I *thought* Indiana had a neutral accent until I ran into some people that
>> lived near my
>> former part of the state. Those people have an accent. Don't know how I
>> missed that 35
>> years ago.
>>
>> My great uncles kids have a bit of accent. Their mom is a WWII British
>> war bride that is
>> still living and as kids they spent a part of every year up in Alaska
>> hunting it tends to
>> make them sound like Canadian's that immigrated from England.
>>
>> Wes
>
>Well, as I said, it can be interesting. The more you learn about it the more
>you get into it. My dad was more into it than I am, and he was a lot better
>at spotting where people come from. He seemed to pick up the interest when
>he was in the Marines in WWII.
I think it was easier back when we were much less mobile.
Wess
John R. Carroll
> "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote:
>
>> The rest of the state isn't much different but I can tell Detroiter
>> from the other side of a crowded, noisy room.
>> You just don't notice and I never did either.
>
> I guess you have to move away to notice.
I didn't notice Wes.
What got noticed was me.
--
John R. Carroll
Ed Huntress
> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>> That Michigan 3 seemed a bit out of place. Maybe an exile from NYC
>>> living
>>> in Trenton, NJ.
>>> Might even wonder if the guy is Jewish.
>>
>>It does sound more Eastern-urban than the others. The ones from Detroit
>>have
>>a mild, but noticeable Northern Cities Vowel Shift. That sound really
>>stands
>>out to us Easterners, and we usually identify people who have that sound
>>as
>>upper-Midwest.
>
> I can usually spot a still working Detroiter by being over fed, a mustach
> and some wierd
> beard, expensive SUV, home on a lake near me that he paid too much for,
> looking down on us
> non union locals. They seem to be becoming few and far between now. That
> UAW sticker on
> their SUV is a tell.
<sigh> They must miss their long breaks from re-tooling shutdowns. When
Oldsmobile shut down for re-tooling, the RVs headed north out of Lansing in
a steady stream, filling up parks all over the northern part of the state.
The ones who didn't have RVs had cottages on the lakes.
>>
>>The ones from Ishpeming and L'Anse are definitely Yoopers -- they have a
>>vowel shift, but not in the same direction. It's called "Canadian
>>Raising,"
>>if you're interested. <g>
>
> I'll have to listen to those. I was looking for the eh factor but got
> tired of listening.
I didn't hear any "eh's," but I didn't listen to all of them. But I heard
some "aboots" for "about." and other vowel shifts.
That's pretty common. Since I lived in five different states before I
graduated from high school, plus eight years on-and-off in Michigan after
that, my accent is very flexible. <g>
On and off. My interest in linguistics is about the history of grammar and
syntax, because it relates to writing. The accents just go along for the
ride, and I only dabble. I can't read phonetic transcriptions. It's like
learning another language with an entirely different alphabet.
Yeah, and the war brought together men from all over the country, back when
accents were stronger and people didn't travel as much. I'll bet it was
entertaining.
One of the funny things I ran into when I attended Michigan State was people
asking where I was from, and then saying, "But you don't *sound* like you're
from New Jersey!" <g> Then I had to explain that there are at least three
distinct accents in New Jersey...and that I don't sound much like any of
them.
BTW, if you want to hear authentic, contemporary North Jersey accents, check
that page I sent you to before, only go to NJ:
http://web.ku.edu/~idea/northamerica/usa/newjersey/newjersey.htm
There are only three recordings; the first two are typical North Jersey,
number 2 sounding more like business and professional people, and number 3
more like blue-collar. They are *very* different from what you typically
hear on TV. Number 4 (there is no number 1) is a young woman from Princeton,
which is where I lived through my high school years and then again after I
was married. That's central Jersey. The girl might sound more like me but
she's too young. She sounds like my son -- they're the same age. There's a
generational shift in pronunciation that's very marked.
--
Ed Huntress
Michael A. Terrell
Wes wrote:
>
> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >When you say "standard English," you may be referring to standard North
> >American syntax and vocabulary. If so, then yes, most educated Americans
> >speak roughly the same dialect today.
>
> Darn, blew right past your most important point. I agree with that one. I wonder how
> much effect national commentators on television have on the leveling of accents?
Radio & TV have had and USED to use pronunciation guides so that
regional variations were almost non existent. NBC had one, first written
during W.W. II. there are a lot of others, but most are in house, or
limited distribution publications. I have one in storage (somewhere)
that I picked up in the early '70s. It was old when I got it.