Kitchen musings..... shelving vs. cabinets, notions of design....

[Existential Angst]

( RCM-ers.... skip down to the alum. plate section)
(RW peeple -- stop whining..... yeah, I know, it's not wood, it's anti-wood,
deal with it)

Awl --

Since ahm fixin up m'shop, The Wife is REALLY bitching about her kitchen....
tit for tat, I spose.... no pun intended.... but an excellent pun, eh??
LOL

With a hypocrisy worthy of the basest politician, I'm going thru the HD
kitchen design route (or at least the motions), mostly to get familiar with
the "process" of "new kitchening", not necessarily to actually let them do
it. My fillings are already hurting....

Inyway, sumpn is not right in KitchenDee-zineLand...... 'sall beautiful,
'sall archy-tecky, but sumpn is just not right.

Stunning as all this HGTV stuff is (more like culinary dick-waving), I'll
bet that only 1 out of a 100 of these McMansion kitchens are actually used
to do any real cooking. I'm betting that with alladat 1.25" granite all
over the place, the shitty li'l brats run in and toaster-up their PopTarts,
and everyone else is re-microwaving yesterday's KFC and pizza.....

Oh, and old news: alladisshit is SUPER expensive..... *gratuitously*
expensive (and complicated), in my deezine opinion.

This notion solidified when I happened on, iirc, a NYTimes-ish profile of a
big-dick chef and his SoHo-ish home/loft kitchen, where I was struck by just
how non-archy-tecky it was, yet a thoroughly functional and very
funky-attractive kitchen.... a REAL kitchen??
Nothing matched in it, none of this bullshit HGTV ""design"", altho he was
blessed with very high ceilings (*at least* 12 ft, it seemed), and a goodly
large space.

Dats when my inkling that HGTV was 99% fullashit changed to 100% fullashit.
A conjob, actually, like pretty much everything else on TV.

The Q at hand is how to juggle wall space, ito cabinetry vs. open shelving.
Attractive as all these kitch cabinets are, I just never found them to be
all that practical, except for mebbe dust protection.

Recently I discovered these
http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/product.asp?SKU=13572526&RN=204 (or google
Oggi, flip-lid canisters), which are really very attractive, and *visually
useful* ito of retrieving foods, assessing quantities, etc.
These further make the case for more open shelving In addition, many
kitchen appliances are attractive in their own right, as can be the
dinnerware itself, utensils, etc. Ceiling pot racks, imo, are Da Bomb.

So the Q is, How to apportion trad'l cabinetry, with open shelving?

I am in a semi-unique position in that I have a design for, and have
actually built, shelving out of 1/4" alum plate, super-elegant, minimalist,
functional, versatile, and strong. The soon-to-arrive Haas GR510 gantry
mill will make this plate work much more do-able, as well.
This style shelving (wall mounted or freestanding) also lends itself to
being very elegantly enclosed, with hingeless doors that pivot on pins.
These g-d European hinges drive me crazy.... just how complicated can shit
get????

So I can actually make a "themed" kitchen of open/enclosed storage, in a
variety of textures, from anodized to brushed to polished (SS-like) alum..

Has anyone grappled with this aspect of design, closed vs. open storage?
Any web sites that deal with this, and the notion of "strategy"?

The problem with (traditional) kitchen design is that there are no
do-overs -- you are essentially stuck with the whole shebang.
One thing I learnt with all this granite bullshit is that what looks good
in a showroom or sample book may not fare so well over time, when yer eyes
are just SATURATED with these visually complex granite patterns, which
actually become otically numbing after a while, and do a good job of HIDING
dirt, spills, grease, etc.

I learned this by raiding the dumpster of my local granite guy, who allowed
me to take substantial pieces of granite, silestone, marble, which I spread
throughout the existing kitchen as trial countertops. We realized that you
had to be *really* careful in your choices, and that most choices would be
regretted. We realized that if going the granite et al route, a single
color/pattern would become visually oppressive.

Thusly, I have also come up with a design of anodized alum plate
countertops, covered by simple 1/4" beveled glass. Or, for that matter,
butcherblock-type motif, covered by 1/4" glass. If the glass ever breaks,
cracks, no biggie, go to the glass store. Really a lot of design potential
there. And economy.
Fuck Granite.

Lastly, ito enclosures (cabinets), there is the notion of see-through or
translucence of the doors. The leaded-glass effect is very nice, and can
also be facilitated in a gantry mill, in wood or in 1/4" alum plate.

The Q is how to sift thru all of this.
Oh, yeah, a bit of a hard sell to the Wife.... LOL
Thoughts, idears, experiences?
--
EA

[tra...@optonline.net]

> Recently I discovered thesehttp://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/product.asp?SKU=13572526&RN=204 (or google

I would visit as many kitchen design shops as you can
that are available in your area. They typically have various
styles and systems on display. HD used to have their
Expo design center locations that had a lot of kitchens
on display with higher end stuff you don't see in their
regular stores, but they closed them.

Also, going to open houses
for homes that would have the class of kitchen you are
looking at is a good idea. Today you can also see those
houses online at the realtor websites. They almost always
show the kitchens. That alone could give you ideas and
if they have an open house, you could go see it too.

On the open shelving versus closed cabinets, a big
factor is who is using the kitchen and if they are neat,
disciplined, etc. Some open shelves with nice attractive
containers like those in your link can look cool. But if
you use those to just toss in random stuff, then it's going
to look like hell without a door.

It all comes down to what's important to you and how
much you want to spend. To some, functionality is
more important than looks. To others, they want a
balance. Some are concerned about resale and others
intend to stay there for 50 years so it doesn't matter.

[David L. Martel]

Angst,

I'd not use shelves in a kitchen. Kitchen air has lots of dust and grease
in it. Put things in cabinets and drawers to keep them clean. Expect to
clean the cabinet surfaces fairly often, so stay away from ornate cabinets.
No opinion on stone countertops.

Dave M.
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[Swingman]

On 2/21/2013 7:10 AM, Existential Angst wrote:

> The Q is how to sift thru all of this.
> Oh, yeah, a bit of a hard sell to the Wife.... LOL
> Thoughts, idears, experiences?

The ONLY person who must be totally happy is the lady of the house ...
her approval is mandatory, upfront.

Build houses, and the kitchens that go in them. :)

Here is an excellent resource that will keep any lady busy for hours
with regard to kitchens and other remodeling plans/possibilities:

http://www.houzz.com/

(if you/she has an iPad, even better ... Houzz has an outstanding IOS app)

In the interest of your pocketbook, I find this calculator to be very
accurate, as it coincides with my own, home rolled Excel spreadsheet
which is based on my actual costs for the past decade of kitchen
building/remodeling:

http://www.finehomebuilding.com/pages/calculators/kitchen-cabinets-countertops/

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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)

[dadiOH]

Existential Angst wrote:

> So the Q is, How to apportion trad'l cabinetry, with open shelving?

Logically, open for stuff that is used with great frequency, cabinets - or a
pantry - for the rest.

> Lastly, ito enclosures (cabinets), there is the notion of see-through
> or translucence of the doors. The leaded-glass effect is very nice,
> and can also be facilitated in a gantry mill, in wood or in 1/4" alum
> plate.

Undeniably, glass can be attractive. Also indeniably, it seems to be a
magnet for grease, streaks, dust and assorted crud.

My own feeling re a kitchen - or any workspace - are that it should minimize
the effort to use it. That means thought about where things are placed and
the amount of space between them. It also means easy accessibility to the
tools.

How many people will be working in it at the same time? If just one, you
need about 36" minimum for aisles; 42" is better, more than 48" and you are
wasting space. If more than one, I would think 60" or a bit more would be
about right.

The things that are used in a particular area need to be convenient to that
area; eg, pots/pans/skillets should be accesible to the stove area, not
require traipsing across the kitchen to get one. Dish cabinets should be
very near the sink or diswasher. I know that seems fundamental but I've
seen many instances of it not being considered.

Again personally, I don't like frame and panel cabinet doors in a kitchen
for the same reason I wouldn't like glass...the edges attract crud and are
hard to clean. When I built ours I made full overlay, solid wood doors.
The edges are rounded but no other profiles to catch dust.

Getting back to open shelves vs cabinets, I think a lot would depend upon
the people involved; if they are willing to dust/clean very frequently, open
shelves could be nice; if not - we are not - I would eschew them in favor of
cabinets.

I'm pretty much with you on the granite but not with glass on top of
something else. My only experience with same was a glass covered dining
table in a rented apartment when we were living in Mexico. It was a
pain...any spilled liguid wicked underneath; assorted crumbs and crud
managed to find a way under.

BTW & FWIW, your posts would be more readable without the folksy spellings.

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[Existential Angst]

"Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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Some people are serious about their kitchens, including renters:
http://gothamist.com/2010/02/24/ikea_couple.php

Not great pubicity for Ikea.... LOL
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EA





> --
> EA
>
>
>

[Robert Macy]

Hear, hear on the closed storage in a kitchen. and simple surfaces.
Glass doors allow both the cleaning AND the contents' views.

Stay away from stainless steel appliances - TOO DIFFICULT TO KEEP
CLEAN LOOKING.

Of the countertops we've lived with:
1. painted = NO WAY!
2. glass over painted - irritating deterioration occurs UNDER the
glass and don't sit anything really heavy or hot on it. Nice to be
able to put ANY paper patterning under the glass. However, the effect
we had looked cheap, amateur do-it-yourself looking.
3. formica - NO WAY! chemicals EAT right through the tops of formica
turning to white ANY color pattern and worse turning the surfaces into
mush, bleach will do this to formica.
4. tile - NO WAY! all those little cracks [grouting] to keep clean!
plus hairline cracks let liquid right through
5. stone - presently have patterned granite WOW! best surface EVER!
Kitchen always looks great, for example, the crumbs from slicing a
loaf of bread you can't even see them! [yes, one is stuck with the
pattern]

Note on the color of a counter top: presently the countertops are a
little darker than I like. I learned a long time ago that to make work
on a top easier keep the color light. The darker the countertop, the
more difficult it is to see what you're working on.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>

> I am in a semi-unique position in that I have a design for, and have
> actually built, shelving out of 1/4" alum plate, super-elegant,

> minimalist, functional, versatile, and strong...
> EA

Except for Elegant that could describe a submarine's galley.
http://www.maritime.org/tour/cm-galley.php

[WW]

"Existential Angst" wrote in message
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SNIP

Awl --

Since ahm fixin up m'shop, The Wife is REALLY bitching about her kitchen....
tit for tat, I spose.... no pun intended.... but an excellent pun, eh??
LOL

Wife designed our house layout. Great.Since we moved in I had to change the
following to her liking.
Close off one kitchen door. Move cabinets and add more cabinets. Then lower
cabinets so she could reach things better.
Move front door entry closet and close off another door. This involved
moving some of the hot water heat base board tubes.
Adding Drawers and enclosed shelving in entry way to attached garage. Make a
TV and audio electronic cabinet.
Built a custom computer table. Good thing I like to do these things. Some
day I MAY get to fixing up my shop. WW

[Norminn]

clipped

> So I can actually make a "themed" kitchen of open/enclosed storage, in a
> variety of textures, from anodized to brushed to polished (SS-like) alum..
>
> Has anyone grappled with this aspect of design, closed vs. open storage?
> Any web sites that deal with this, and the notion of "strategy"?

I had one kitchen that was quite large but had very little cabinet
space. I was also buying antiques at the time and had a 50" round oak
table, a bakers cabinet (sans flour sifter) with bin drawers and a pie
safe. I used decorated tins for storing food stuff; they were cheap and
sturdy. Glass cannisters (Walmart still carries the same style), and
glass jars with plastic seals for stuff like beans, rice. Food makes a
decent display theme and I like stuff at hand. That said, I would never
use open shelves in a kitchen unless it was for something used
daily...too dusty and greasy.

>
> The problem with (traditional) kitchen design is that there are no
> do-overs -- you are essentially stuck with the whole shebang.
> One thing I learnt with all this granite bullshit is that what looks good
> in a showroom or sample book may not fare so well over time, when yer eyes
> are just SATURATED with these visually complex granite patterns, which
> actually become otically numbing after a while, and do a good job of HIDING
> dirt, spills, grease, etc.

I've never been a fan of granite...good old practical Formica is fine.
One mistake, in choosing a stone-pattern Formica was that it was hard to
tell when there were crumbs on it. Good disguise :o)

>
> I learned this by raiding the dumpster of my local granite guy, who allowed
> me to take substantial pieces of granite, silestone, marble, which I spread
> throughout the existing kitchen as trial countertops. We realized that you
> had to be *really* careful in your choices, and that most choices would be
> regretted. We realized that if going the granite et al route, a single
> color/pattern would become visually oppressive.
>
> Thusly, I have also come up with a design of anodized alum plate
> countertops, covered by simple 1/4" beveled glass. Or, for that matter,
> butcherblock-type motif, covered by 1/4" glass. If the glass ever breaks,
> cracks, no biggie, go to the glass store. Really a lot of design potential
> there. And economy.
> Fuck Granite.

Anodized alum would probably scratch. Glass would be insane for
countertops. Out of necessity, we used it for backsplash above our
cooktop and I loved it...pressed pattern glass with the smooth side out
was super easy to clean, and solid laminate behind it. Could put any
pattern of laminate or ?wallpaper, or colored glass. No tile grout for
me. The backsplash was sealed all around so no gunk or steam behind it...

>
> Lastly, ito enclosures (cabinets), there is the notion of see-through or
> translucence of the doors. The leaded-glass effect is very nice, and can
> also be facilitated in a gantry mill, in wood or in 1/4" alum plate.

I have suddenly, in my old age, craved simplicity...not a lot of
decoration, smooth front cabinets that are easy to clean and DURABLE.
My cupboards are never arranged so I would want the contents visible.
If I had elegant dishes and glassware, and loads of space, maybe.

>
> The Q is how to sift thru all of this.
> Oh, yeah, a bit of a hard sell to the Wife.... LOL
> Thoughts, idears, experiences?
>

A lot depends on how you use the kitchen...cook three meals a day for a
family, eat out a lot, gourmet cooking, entertain a lot and want the
company in kitchen whilst cooking?

My present kitchen is small but very well organized and easy to work in.
I have crocks on the counter for utensils and measuring spoons and
stuff. Corner lazy susan is a must. Window above sink, very bright
during day but lousy lighting at night...hate cfl bulbs.

[Tim Wescott]

Our kitchen counters are all tile. If we're holding a hot pot and we say
"I need to put this thing down NOW!!! WTF can I put this thing?" the
answer is always "anywhere that's flat". And I mean anywhere in the
whole kitchen, because the whole kitchen counter is tile.

You cannot imagine the convenience of that until you've lived it. That's
one thing that stone would give you. I'd suggest that if you use glass,
use tempered glass and test a sheet of it with a pot roast fresh from the
oven. I would be suspicious of aluminum -- it'd spread the heat both
down into the underlying glue and across the counter to whatever is close
by (like, say, your hand).

The tile is patterned, but it's much less aggressive than granite, and
it's light colored. It's also textured, which is a pain if you're
kneading bread -- marble would solve that problem, though, and still
provide the "everywhere is a hot pad" goodness.

--
Tim Wescott
Control system and signal processing consulting
www.wescottdesign.com

[chaniarts]

i used granite tiles set abutting. grout is a minimal 1/16" or less.

i wouldn't use tempered glass, unless it was 1" thick or more. at that
thickness, you're looking at granite costs and weight.

[nailsh...@aol.com]

On Feb 21, 8:32 am, "dadiOH" <dad...@invalid.com> wrote:

> BTW & FWIW, your posts would be more readable without the folksy spellings.

No kidding. I couldn't get through all the cute spellings, the almost
urban street slang, and ghetto speak to finish the post. Not sure
what this guy wants, but it isn't interesting enough to read through
all that crap.

I got this far because I saw that you and Karl responded....

Robert

[Jim Wilkins]

"Tim Wescott" <t...@seemywebsite.please> wrote in message news:Kf-

>
> Our kitchen counters are all tile. If we're holding a hot pot and
> we say
> "I need to put this thing down NOW!!! WTF can I put this thing?"
> the
> answer is always "anywhere that's flat". And I mean anywhere in the
> whole kitchen, because the whole kitchen counter is tile.
>

> Tim Wescott

In the winter I cook on the woodstove in the shop. "anywhere that's
flat" for hot pans is the milling machine table.

[Existential Angst]

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On Feb 21, 8:32 am, "dadiOH" <dad...@invalid.com> wrote:

> BTW & FWIW, your posts would be more readable without the folksy
> spellings.

No kidding. I couldn't get through all the cute spellings, the almost
urban street slang, and ghetto speak to finish the post. Not sure
what this guy wants, but it isn't interesting enough to read through
all that crap.

=================================================

Lessee..... by your own admission, you didn't get thru it all, yer too
stupid to figger out "what I want", and yet somehow you know it's not
inneresting enough to read.....
Typical non-sequitur of the bitchily ignerint....

Oh, yeah, of course.... here ya go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)
Study hard.
--
EA

[jrm...@gmail.com]

On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 08:26:05 -0600, Swingman <k...@nospam.com> wrote:

>On 2/21/2013 7:10 AM, Existential Angst wrote:
>
>> The Q is how to sift thru all of this.
>> Oh, yeah, a bit of a hard sell to the Wife.... LOL
>> Thoughts, idears, experiences?
>
>The ONLY person who must be totally happy is the lady of the house ...
>her approval is mandatory, upfront.

I respectfully disagree, whoever does the cooking is who needs to be
happy. In our case that's both of us. However we hate each others
preferred weapons of destruction. I'm a gas and cast iron skillet
guy, she's a froo froo stainless on an electric stove kind of a gal.
I make traditional 3-5 course meat and potatoes kind of fare, she
prepares exotic dishes that have unpronounceable names. I'll tell you
how it was worked out in a minute.

>Build houses, and the kitchens that go in them. :)
>
>Here is an excellent resource that will keep any lady busy for hours
>with regard to kitchens and other remodeling plans/possibilities:
>
>http://www.houzz.com/

Nice, thanks!

>(if you/she has an iPad, even better ... Houzz has an outstanding IOS app)
>
>In the interest of your pocketbook, I find this calculator to be very
>accurate, as it coincides with my own, home rolled Excel spreadsheet
>which is based on my actual costs for the past decade of kitchen
>building/remodeling:
>
>http://www.finehomebuilding.com/pages/calculators/kitchen-cabinets-countertops/

That's a big help too.

And now for the rest of the story... so we made a deal. We built her
the kitchen she wanted, which also meant she had to do most all of the
cooking. We raised seven kids. My cast iron cookware had been in a
storage unit for about 20 years when the light bulb came on. I'll
build me a man kitchen on a new 2nd floor deck! So I built the deck
12' x 16' off of the dining room, opposite her kitchen, seperated by
glass french doors. Our family lives in the kitchen and dining room.
This was a perfect extension thereof.

I won't list everything I've got out there, but this is my favorite
web site: http://amazingribs.com/ What can I say, Meathead is a God.
And if you practice some of the recipes there, your wife will think
you are too. Plus it's the perfect place for the "guys" to go hang
out while the "girls" yak up their girly stuff. Just shut the french
doors. It's a beautiful thing. We live in the middle of 1,500 acres
of commercial timber property, nobody else around, it's peaceful and
that deck is a great place to enjoy it, smell the BBQ going, and BS
with your buddies.

One thing that kind of troubled me when I was searching for ideas
about outdoor kitchens was they all looked so cold and sterile and
tried to mask the fact that it wasn't really inside. Yuk. Mine is
open with a canopy to keep the bird shit off the burgers and has
restaurant grade stuff like the gas grill, and familiar stuff like the
Weber BBQ and Treager smoker and beer fridge and everything is laid
out intuitively. Anyone can go out there and cook up a feast whether
they prefer gas, charcoal, hardwood smoked, pellet smoker or whatever
new toy I'm playing with at the time. Nirvana.

Her 25 year old kitchen now needs a facelift and that's a project for
this Summer. Thanks to the sites you posted, she'll have a blast
perusing them for ideas and prices. Plus mine is fully functional so
I'll cook during the remodeling phase.

And everyone lived happily ever after. The End.

Good luck to the OP too.

Jrmthd

[Mike Marlow]

Existential Angst wrote:

>
> Lessee..... by your own admission, you didn't get thru it all, yer
> too stupid to figger out "what I want",

Read what he said - he was not interested in what you had to say based on
the way you post. The one showing his stupid here is... you.

> and yet somehow you know it's
> not inneresting enough to read.....

Easy conclusion to arrive at. Your manner of writing is not interesting
enough to read through.


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-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net

[Existential Angst]

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlo...@windstream.net> wrote in message
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You too?? Jeez......
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>
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> mmarlo...@windstream.net
>
>

[Mike Marlow]

Existential Angst wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <mmarlo...@windstream.net> wrote in message
> news:kg61ms$aej$1...@dont-email.me...
>> Existential Angst wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Lessee..... by your own admission, you didn't get thru it all, yer
>>> too stupid to figger out "what I want",
>>
>> Read what he said - he was not interested in what you had to say
>> based on the way you post. The one showing his stupid here is...
>> you.
>>> and yet somehow you know it's
>>> not inneresting enough to read.....
>>
>> Easy conclusion to arrive at. Your manner of writing is not
>> interesting enough to read through.
>
> You too?? Jeez......
>

Not trying to pick on you, but Robert didn't really say anything in his
comments that warranted your comments back to him. Your writing style is
cumbersome - at least for some, and the result is that those people won't
bother with it, regardless of whether it contains something of value.

--

-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net

[Swingman]

On 2/21/2013 3:44 PM, Existential Angst wrote:

> You too?? Jeez......

Did try to reply with some information you might be able to use, but I
gave up also ... simply too hard to follow.

Skimmed it as best I could, but I have to say it was indeed hard to get
to the pith of your intent.

[ChairMan]

Existential Angst <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <mmarlo...@windstream.net> wrote in
> message
> news:kg61ms$aej$1...@dont-email.me...
>> Existential Angst wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Lessee..... by your own admission, you didn't get thru
>>> it all, yer
>>> too stupid to figger out "what I want",
>>
>> Read what he said - he was not interested in what you had
>> to say
>> based on the way you post. The one showing his stupid
>> here is...
>> you.
>>> and yet somehow you know it's
>>> not inneresting enough to read.....
>>
>> Easy conclusion to arrive at. Your manner of writing is
>> not
>> interesting enough to read through.
>
> You too?? Jeez......
>

WTF? Do you want people to respond or waste time trying to
deciper what the fuck you're asking?
Post your ? *clearly* without the BS and attitude.
Pretty simple concept to me.

[k...@attt.bizz]

On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 08:10:46 -0500, "Existential Angst"

<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:

>( RCM-ers.... skip down to the alum. plate section)
>(RW peeple -- stop whining..... yeah, I know, it's not wood, it's anti-wood,
>deal with it)
>
>Awl --

It's too bad you can't write worth crap.

<illiterate rant snipped>

[k...@attt.bizz]

On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:08:59 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy
<robert...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Feb 21, 6:49�am, "David L. Martel" <marte...@frontier.com> wrote:
>> Angst,
>>
>> � �I'd not use shelves in a kitchen. Kitchen air has lots of dust and grease
>> in it. Put things in cabinets and drawers to keep them clean. Expect to
>> clean the cabinet surfaces fairly often, so stay away from ornate cabinets.
>> � �No opinion on stone countertops.
>>
>> Dave M."Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:51261ced$0$6838$607e...@cv.net...
>>
>>
>>

<EA's illiterate rant snipped>

>
>Hear, hear on the closed storage in a kitchen. and simple surfaces.
>Glass doors allow both the cleaning AND the contents' views.

Glass doors are harder to keep clean than stainless appliances, which
you seem to hate (below).

>Stay away from stainless steel appliances - TOO DIFFICULT TO KEEP
>CLEAN LOOKING.

Not all stainless is the same. Our 'fridge is pretty easy to keep
clean. Other appliances (contractor stuff hasn't been replaced yet),
not so much.

>Of the countertops we've lived with:
>1. painted = NO WAY!

Agreed. No way is paint hard enough for a surface. We saw one house
that had a painted sink!

>2. glass over painted - irritating deterioration occurs UNDER the
>glass and don't sit anything really heavy or hot on it. Nice to be
>able to put ANY paper patterning under the glass. However, the effect
>we had looked cheap, amateur do-it-yourself looking.

Have never seen that. Sounds dangerous.

>3. formica - NO WAY! chemicals EAT right through the tops of formica
>turning to white ANY color pattern and worse turning the surfaces into
>mush, bleach will do this to formica.

They're cheap (throw away).

>4. tile - NO WAY! all those little cracks [grouting] to keep clean!
>plus hairline cracks let liquid right through

Agreed.

>5. stone - presently have patterned granite WOW! best surface EVER!
>Kitchen always looks great, for example, the crumbs from slicing a
>loaf of bread you can't even see them! [yes, one is stuck with the
>pattern]

With you 100%. Granite is the end-all kitchen surface. It's great
for baking, too. ;-)

>Note on the color of a counter top: presently the countertops are a
>little darker than I like. I learned a long time ago that to make work
>on a top easier keep the color light. The darker the countertop, the
>more difficult it is to see what you're working on.

Yep, I didn't much like the speckled top in our last house but it
doesn't show *any* dirt. The counter in this house is darker (brown,
about the color of toast, really) but still isn't bad. We'll never
have kitchen counter tops other than granite, again. We'll probably
change all the bathrooms to granite over the next couple of years.

[Pat]

>
> Since ahm fixin up m'shop, The Wife is REALLY bitching about her
> kitchen....

You have a shop. Build your cupboards. Look around. There will be someone
in the area making custom doors. The boxes are easy.

[Existential Angst]

"ChairMan" <nos...@thanks.com> wrote in message
news:M7yVs.520032$BD4....@fed03.iad...

Methinks y'all need better respirators or sumpn, mebbe better ventilation??
If you think any of that needed deciphering, might I suggest
http://tutoring.sylvanlearning.com/
They're all over the country. There's also evening adult ed in most
community (2-yr, associates degree) colleges -- you know,
subject-object-predicate......

See, part of the problem is y'all's inability to *abstract* and
contextualize.
True, the Q was preceded by a bit of a pre-amble, some context, if you will,
and I'm sorry that preamble threw you all for such a fukn loop, into such a
fukn tizzy.

So let me rephrase for the sawdust-addled and slow-witted:

I'm questioning the whole zeitgeist (no, not ghetto slang, for the
nailshooter asshole.... here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist )
of the HGTV notion of kitchen design, vividly illustrated by the article on
the home kitchen of the prof'l chef I mentioned.
Obviously, most of you complaining assholes have bought into the HGTV
mindfuck..... and I'm not saying that the HGTV mindfuck is necessarily a
BAD or incorrect mindfuck, just querying alternatives.
And I'm speculating that alternatives are not being provided, for obvious
commercial reasons.

I appreciate most of the other responses (obviously they don't have your
reading comprehension problems, and/or are able to appreciate the general
design issue), and some of those responses helped clarify a few things, such
as the wicking problem with glass, the discussion of various surfaces, the
grease issue of shelving, etc.

To the other slow-wits, mebbe y'all should find sumpn to punctuate....
yourselves, mebbe??

OH, OH..... he said "mebbe"..... TWICE!!!!
OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "sumpn".....
OH, OH, OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "y'all".....
OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH

Oh, don't say I never gave you anything:
http://faculty.washington.edu/heagerty/Courses/b572/public/StrunkWhite.pdf
Strunk & White, Elements of Style -- guar-own-teed curriculum in a 4 year
school, mebbe not in adult ed.
OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "guar-own-teed"......
OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH
--
EA

[Mike Marlow]

Existential Angst wrote:

>
> See, part of the problem is y'all's inability to *abstract* and
> contextualize.
> True, the Q was preceded by a bit of a pre-amble, some context, if
> you will, and I'm sorry that preamble threw you all for such a fukn
> loop, into such a fukn tizzy.

It really didn't. No tizzy, no loop. Just didn't want to bother with it
given all the *abstractions*. It was just a case of moving on to the next
post.

>
> So let me rephrase for the sawdust-addled and slow-witted:
>
> I'm questioning the whole zeitgeist (no, not ghetto slang, for the
> nailshooter asshole.... here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist ) of
> the HGTV notion of kitchen design, vividly illustrated by the
> article on the home kitchen of the prof'l chef I mentioned.
> Obviously, most of you complaining assholes have bought into the HGTV
> mindfuck..... and I'm not saying that the HGTV mindfuck is
> necessarily a BAD or incorrect mindfuck, just querying alternatives.
> And I'm speculating that alternatives are not being provided, for
> obvious commercial reasons.
>
> I appreciate most of the other responses (obviously they don't have
> your reading comprehension problems, and/or are able to appreciate
> the general design issue), and some of those responses helped clarify
> a few things, such as the wicking problem with glass, the discussion
> of various surfaces, the grease issue of shelving, etc.
>

Well then - it worked for you. Some here didn't mind your posting style and
responded, which resulted in the dialog expanding, and you benefited in
that. Others didn't. No need to go on about it as if you are personally
insulted that they didn't.

--

-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net

[dadiOH]

Temper, temper. Maybe a nap would help

[Norminn]

LOL............didn't bother me nearly as much as hearing McCain/Graham
blathering on in their latest outrage of political posturing. McCain is
an angry old fart who cares more about getting re-elected than about
keeping the military intact during a time of fucking war. How about
'dem Chineeze?

And, yes, fuck granite :o)

[dadiOH]

Existential Angst wrote:
> To the other slow-wits, mebbe y'all should find sumpn to punctuate....
> yourselves, mebbe??
>
> OH, OH..... he said "mebbe"..... TWICE!!!!
> OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "sumpn".....
> OH, OH, OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "y'all".....
> OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH
>
> Oh, don't say I never gave you anything:
> http://faculty.washington.edu/heagerty/Courses/b572/public/StrunkWhite.pdf
> Strunk & White, Elements of Style -- guar-own-teed curriculum in a 4
> year school, mebbe not in adult ed.
> OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "guar-own-teed"......
> OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH

How arrogant.

About the only person here who needs a treatise on the elements of style is
you. Oh, wait...are your cutesy spellings an attempt at a distinctive
writing style? An attempt to separate yourself from the herd? To lift
yourself from the depths of mediocrity? Doesn't work.

[Existential Angst]

"Norminn" <nor...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:O9-dnXAu-ttd_brM...@earthlink.com...

FINALLY!!!!
Someone who gets it, has a sense of humuh.
OH!!!

Actually, what the petty li'l nannies (ninnies??) on RW don't get is the
phonetic parody (poor as it might be) of the INCREDIBLE ilitiricy 'cross all
of fuknMerka.

POP QUIZ, boyzngerlz:
1. Just WHO introduced MERKA into the lexicon??? HINT #1, boyzngerlz (and
that asshole Nailshooter): He was a DUI RePube who liked to blow up frogs
with M80s.... Hint #2: the black guy kicked his ass....
2.. WHO (all 550 of them) has "legitimized" '"nookyooler"???).
3. How many of the assholes on RW say "nookyooler"???
4. But when Angst SPELLS nookyooler, he's an asshole, right?? Whazzup wit
DAT???

Here's another li'l hint:
If y'all are annoyed by """"my style"""", OK, cuz, well, sheeit, just ax
the Wife about annoyed.... lol
But, if anyone REALLY had trouble reading or """"deciphering"""" the op,
man, you REALLY need to contact Sylvan, cuz yer reading level is likely
sub-4th grade, and you cain't handle the NYTimes -- some the assholes here
proly even read that NYTimes ditty on that chef's kitchen, and STILL don't
get it....

See, to boost reading comprehension, a woodworker has to (in addition to
wearing a good brain-approved respirator) read more than the assembly
instruction from the latest build-it-yerself project from Practical
Woodworker.

And if assholes here REALLY think Moi is ilitirit..... hooboy, <swoosh> on
them....

OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH........ He's still doin it.... He
said "ilitirit".......

I tell you, what scares me more than anything is being judged by a jury of
12..... and these assholes on RW illustrate this perfectly. Peers my
fuknass.....
--
EA

[Existential Angst]

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlo...@windstream.net> wrote in message

news:kg7hg6$hil$1...@dont-email.me...

Hey, ahm just tryna help people, and promote world peace.
After all, I DID provide a bevy of useful, helpful links, right?
Altho admittedly, Sylvan is a li'l 'spensive.......

OH, OH, OH, OH, there he goes again.....

[Robert Macy]

On Feb 21, 6:12 pm, k...@attt.bizz wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:08:59 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy

> ...snip...

> >Hear, hear on the closed storage in a kitchen. and simple surfaces.
> >Glass doors allow both the cleaning AND the contents' views.
>
> Glass doors are harder to keep clean than stainless appliances, which
> you seem to hate (below).
>
> >Stay away from stainless steel appliances - TOO DIFFICULT TO KEEP
> >CLEAN LOOKING.
>
> Not all stainless is the same.  Our 'fridge is pretty easy to keep
> clean.  Other appliances (contractor stuff hasn't been replaced yet),
> not so much.

> ... snip....

After fighting with various commercially available compounds, my wife
discovered that the best cleaner for stainless steel of almost all
types was ...Dial sanitizing liquid hand soap. Rubbed on and wiped dry
actually polished to a sparkling beautiful finish. But alas someone
changed the product and it doesn't work well now.

She gave up cleaning any glass surface. Windex streaked and streaked
and streaked. However, I found Walmart brand of glass cleaner provides
a great sprayer at $1.88 and the product cleans well and doesn't
streak. Unless dries before removal. And of course, use cheap paper
towels, else there are usually some type of lotion or such in them
that streaks too. To check if a paper towel has 'additives' in it?
Simply pour bleach on it. If it gets warm, or hot enough to burn you,
it has additives that will streak when you clean.

After fighting SS cleaners, my wife has delegated me to be the
custodian of all the glass and stainless steel cleaning in our home. I
finally found the BEST cleaner ever! Clean well then ONLY clean with
distilled water and cheap paper towels. Squeegee the bathroom mirrors
in 20 seconds DONE! Inside/outside windows? Take about a minute each.
I tell you distilled water is a MIRACLE product. Alas, it 'almost'
works on SS kitchen apliances. Front surfaces stay cleaned for about a
month. But, the fridge doors are a constant battle. We don't touch the
SS with hands to prevent human oil blotting their surfaces, but even
that doesn't work well. Have to clean that !@#@$#%^@$ !!!! fridge
almost everyday. Shouldn't say clean, mean polish.

The manufacturers have solved the countertop problem with granite -
robust and hides crumbs. But, they really need to work on finding a
surface for appliances. Probably find some aerospace material works,
like carbon composite with laminated granite?

[Existential Angst]

"dadiOH" <dad...@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:kg7nrj$g7t$1...@dont-email.me...

> Existential Angst wrote:
>> To the other slow-wits, mebbe y'all should find sumpn to punctuate....
>> yourselves, mebbe??
>>
>> OH, OH..... he said "mebbe"..... TWICE!!!!
>> OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "sumpn".....
>> OH, OH, OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "y'all".....
>> OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH
>>
>> Oh, don't say I never gave you anything:
>> http://faculty.washington.edu/heagerty/Courses/b572/public/StrunkWhite.pdf
>> Strunk & White, Elements of Style -- guar-own-teed curriculum in a 4
>> year school, mebbe not in adult ed.
>> OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "guar-own-teed"......
>> OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH
>
> How arrogant.
>
> About the only person here who needs a treatise on the elements of style
> is you.

Hmmmm...... might I be even more arrogant and correck your syntax?
Elements of Style WAS the treatise -- albeit a short, succinct one.

What you SHOULD have said -- and I'm sure you meant to -- was:
"About the only person here who needs a treatise on style......."

> Oh, wait...are your cutesy spellings an attempt at a distinctive writing
> style? An attempt to separate yourself from the herd? To lift yourself
> from the depths of mediocrity? Doesn't work.

Dood...... it's fukn USENET..... give it a break, already.
Dayum.... and I thought you were one of the normal ones.....

And where's the gratitude??
Moi had to PAY for that goddamm StrunknWhite.... and ahm giving it away for
free....

Ackshooly, I never really agreed with ole Strunk.... yeah, shit has to be
standardized, but goddamm, there's standardization and there's stifling.
Fuck granite, and fuck stifling.

ANOTHER POP QUIZ, boyzngerlz.....

WHO was the White in Strunk'n'White??

No matter, y'all are going to cheat anyway, and look it up.....
He was EB White, who wrote Charlotte's Web, Stuart Little, and a bunch of
other children's classics, and a longtime contributor/editor in The
N'Yawker. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._B._White
Proly one of THE most :"decorated" writers. No Nobel Prize, but dat dudn't
mean shit anyway.... they wasted one on Hemmingway..... and even worser,
one on Herman Hesse.... GOODGAWD!!!!!!!!!!

But y'all litirits KNEW that, right??
Yeah, riiiiight.....

Here's what ahm thinkin:

All those who had so much trouble deciphering the op, get copies of Stuart
Little and Charlotte's Web, and work on yer comprehension...... EB White
knew what he was doing, and y'all's reading comprehension should jump by at
least two grades when you finish them. Proly you can find Cliff's Notes on
them, as well, iffin you need help.

And WHERE did the adventures of Stuart Little take place?? Why, in the
Central Park Pond, in.... N'Yawk....

OH, OH, OH, OH, OH..... He did it AGAIN!!!! He said "N'Yawk" instead of
New York........ TWICE!!!

OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH

--
EA

[Jim Wilkins]

"Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote in message

news:51273d0e$0$6838$607e...@cv.net...

>
> Methinks y'all need better respirators or sumpn, mebbe better
> ventilation??

Your affected style might be cute if you had any real talent.

[Existential Angst]

"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:kg81vj$5k2$1...@dont-email.me...

Holy shit..... ANOTHER one who I thought was normal, could read between the
lines.....
Ahma haveta make a LIST now.....

I didn't know reading comprehension was such an issue.
Really, I promise, I'll keep it simple from now on, right outta
Strunk'n'White.....
--
EA

[Norminn]

clipped

>
> The manufacturers have solved the countertop problem with granite -
> robust and hides crumbs. But, they really need to work on finding a
> surface for appliances. Probably find some aerospace material works,
> like carbon composite with laminated granite?
>

The Chinese have solved the problem for appliances...plastic, engineered
to not last long enough to get dirty. Last time I went shopping, I
tried to find something NOT made in China...all I could come up with was
a picture frame made in Mexico.

[Norminn]

What about Fucken Wagnalls? I think we'd better quit before the the
entire usenit goes postle!!

[Jim Wilkins]

"Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote in message

news:51278d89$0$6865$607e...@cv.net...

>
> Really, I promise, I'll keep it simple from now on, right outta
> Strunk'n'White.....
> --
> EA

The teacher of my very bright and ambitious high school English class
cautioned us not to write like e.e.cummings unless we WERE
e.e.cummings. She reminded us that Picasso had mastered the classical
painting style before developing his own.
http://www.artchive.com/artchive/p/picasso/self1.jpg
http://smarthistory.khanacademy.org/Picasso-Early-Work.html

The only exception she tolerated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams_(composer)

[Existential Angst]

"Norminn" <nor...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:fPednXdTBOZTCbrM...@earthlink.com...

LOL
I've lerntid my lesson..... I"ve got Strunk'n'White out, as I type.......
LOL
FunkyWagnall was far too long, tho. At least S&W kept alladatshit brief.

There is a breed -- many of them on RW, apparently -- that deludes
themselves with the notion that because they express themselves with
syntactical and grammatical correckness, that they know how to think.
There is, in fact, a likely inverse relationship between the two.
--
EA


>

[Existential Angst]

"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:kg857v$opd$1...@dont-email.me...

> "Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:51278d89$0$6865$607e...@cv.net...
>>
>> Really, I promise, I'll keep it simple from now on, right outta
>> Strunk'n'White.....
>> --
>> EA
>
> The teacher of my very bright and ambitious high school English class
> cautioned us not to write like e.e.cummings unless we WERE e.e.cummings.
> She reminded us that Picasso had mastered the classical painting style
> before developing his own.
> http://www.artchive.com/artchive/p/picasso/self1.jpg
> http://smarthistory.khanacademy.org/Picasso-Early-Work.html
>

You are absolutely correck. Most people don't know just HOW good Picasso
was, from a traditional pov.... stunning.

> The only exception she tolerated:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams_(composer)
>
>
>

But, correct as you are in the above, you DO see the obvious flaw in your
implied admonition, right? Which was evident in your prior use of the word
"talent"
Unless you can identify exactly WHO it is I'm trying to imitate, none of
this applies!

Dood, ahm just havin fun.... it's USENET, fergodsakes....
That a few assholes here decided to jump on some bullshit etiquette
bandwagon, and ig the real design issues being raised, speaks volumes. And
I'm certainly surprised by *your* vault onto this bullshit bandwagon..

Again, if anyone really had difficulty with the op, they better get some
tutoring, bec if my li'l syntactical/grammatical dalliances have them this
confused and bent out of shape, they are *really* insecure in the basics..
--
EA

[Existential Angst]

<nailsh...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:068eaa8c-42dc-4e0e...@f6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 21, 8:32 am, "dadiOH" <dad...@invalid.com> wrote:

> BTW & FWIW, your posts would be more readable without the folksy
> spellings.

No kidding. I couldn't get through all the cute spellings, the almost
urban street slang, and ghetto speak to finish the post. Not sure
what this guy wants, but it isn't interesting enough to read through
all that crap.

I got this far because I saw that you and Karl responded....

Robert

=============================================================

BRAIN EXERCISES

If you can read this OUT LOUD, you have a strong mind. And better than that:
Alzheimer's is a long, long, way down the road before it ever gets anywhere
near you.





If you can read the following paragraph, forward it to your friends and the
person who sent it to you with 'Yes' in the subject line. Only very good
minds can read this. This is weird, but interesting!

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pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can still raed it whotuit a
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but the word as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was
ipmorantt! If you can raed this forwrad it

=====================================================

Since fuknNailShooter cain't read *my* simple shit, Alzheimers is proly
right around the corner for dat asshole.

--

EA

[Ed Huntress]

On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:30:33 -0500, "Existential Angst"
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:

>"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:kg857v$opd$1...@dont-email.me...
>> "Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:51278d89$0$6865$607e...@cv.net...
>>>
>>> Really, I promise, I'll keep it simple from now on, right outta
>>> Strunk'n'White.....
>>> --
>>> EA
>>
>> The teacher of my very bright and ambitious high school English class
>> cautioned us not to write like e.e.cummings unless we WERE e.e.cummings.
>> She reminded us that Picasso had mastered the classical painting style
>> before developing his own.
>> http://www.artchive.com/artchive/p/picasso/self1.jpg
>> http://smarthistory.khanacademy.org/Picasso-Early-Work.html
>>
>
>You are absolutely correck. Most people don't know just HOW good Picasso
>was, from a traditional pov.... stunning.
>
>> The only exception she tolerated:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams_(composer)
>>
>>
>>
>
>But, correct as you are in the above, you DO see the obvious flaw in your
>implied admonition, right?

My God, I'm going to be sorry I did this, but....

If you get a really good painter/illustrator drunk, especially a
teacher, you'll find that the disdain for Picasso's drawing and
traditional painting talents is more common than not. He couldn't
handle drapery; his poses were awkward; his perspectives were unreal.

That's not to say he wasn't a great artist. But his skills as a
draughtsman were problematic. He got a lot of attention for his skills
as a child because of his father.

Compare the fabrics and the poses in Picasso's "pre-abstract" work,
like the first five or so of these:

http://www.abcgallery.com/P/picasso/picasso.html

...with those of a superb draughtsman, like Rob Howard:

http://artbootcamp.com/index.php/the-team/rob-howard/

Look at the fabrics ("Barry White" is intentionally abstracted). Look
at the poses. Although these are small images, I'd say look at the
facial details, too (somewhere I have a huge image of "The Bride," but
I can't find it at the moment; I think the original is 30" x 40" or
so).

Again, I'm not commenting about artistry. But any art dufus, like me,
can see the relative levels of draughting skills. And the art volk I
used to know in NYC said the same thing.

Rob is a hell of a good shot with a rifle, too, BTW. <g>

Now please ignore this diversion and carry on...

--
Ed Huntress

[Jim Wilkins]

"Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote in message

news:5127a317$0$6864$607e...@cv.net...

>
> If you can read this, you are one of the 55 people out of 100 who
> can.

YOU

CAN

READ

THIS

,

BUT

DO

YOU

WANT

TO

?

[dadiOH]

Existential Angst wrote:

> If you can read the following paragraph, forward it to your friends
> and the person who sent it to you with 'Yes' in the subject line.
> Only very good minds can read this. This is weird, but interesting!
>
> 7H15 M3554G3
> 53RV35 7O PR0V3
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> D0 4M4Z1NG 7H1NG5!
> 1MPR3551V3 7H1NG5!
> 1N 7H3 B3G1NN1NG
> 17 WA5 H4RD BU7
> N0W, 0N 7H15 LIN3
> Y0UR M1ND 1S
> R34D1NG 17
> 4U70M471C4LLY
> W17H 0U7 3V3N
> 7H1NK1NG 4B0U7 17,
> B3 PROUD! 0NLY
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> R3AD 7H15.
> PL3453 F0RW4RD 1F
> U C4N R34D 7H15.

It isn't all that hard to read but why bother? What's the point when one
can write it properly? And that is the whole point of those who disliked
your original post...you wanted feedback from readers so why not just post
your question/problem succinctly using reasonable English?

IOW, it isn't a problem of being unable to read your "simple shit", it's
just a matter of "why bother".

[Jim Wilkins]

"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:p48fi8doe88sbejjo...@4ax.com...

> If you get a really good painter/illustrator drunk, especially a
> teacher, you'll find that the disdain for Picasso's drawing and
> traditional painting talents is more common than not. He couldn't
> handle drapery; his poses were awkward; his perspectives were
> unreal.
>

I would have used J.M.W.Turner for the example if he were better
known.

[-MIKE-]

In every internet forum in which I've ever taken part, there's always
one guy who thinks he's tool cool for the room and uses the same
self-made slang and goofy-ass made-up words and spelling like he's just
so much more evolved than the rest of the obtuse dolts in the group.

Inevitably, in every occurrence which I've witnessed or participated,
the majority of the group calls the guy out. Yet the guy continues to
defend his juvenile, deluded behavior, convinced that it's everyone else
who just don't "get it." All this does, of course, in every instance, is
help convince the rest of the group of what a complete douche-nozzle he is.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
mi...@mikedrumsDOT.com
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

[Ed Huntress]

Supurb landscapes! I saw an exhibition of his work at the National
Gallery of Art in D.C. a couple of years ago. The actual paintings
will knock you out.

I used Rob's work because some of it relates to Picasso's early
paintings more closely.

--
Ed Huntress


>

[Existential Angst]

"dadiOH" <dad...@invalid.com> wrote in message

news:kg8997$g3j$1...@dont-email.me...

It was quite reasonable. What in particular is your grouse?

Heh, yer gonna miss my unreasonable Englich, when they have you speaking
Reasonable Spanich....
Been in HD lately?? goodgawd....

>
> IOW, it isn't a problem of being unable to read your "simple shit", it's
> just a matter of "why bother".

Which is usually the bleat of the simple mind, esp. overly-entitled *gangs*
of simple minds.

Exactly what was so troublesome about the op? What part of "gratuitous
complexity" don't y'all understand?
--
EA

[k...@attt.bizz]

On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 10:52:31 -0500, Norminn <nor...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

You're either lying, illiterate, or lazy (didn't look for more than 10
minutes). I'm betting on all three.

[Existential Angst]

"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message

news:mfbfi85f4slv0khpq...@4ax.com...

And because he's a good shot?? LOL

I can't cite the exact Picasso painting, drawing, but whatever it was showed
superb draftsmanship -- at least to me.
It showed that this was not some guy riding the Pop Cultural Magic Carpet
Ride, 'spressin hisself -- he really knows what he's doing. Dali is another
one, iirc.

Andy Warhol was another -- he actually eked out a good living as a working
commercial artist -- cereal boxes'n'shit.... Very inneresting bio.
Lou Reed's Walk on the Wild Side was in fact about Warhol's li'l cabal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walk_on_the_Wild_Side_(Lou_Reed_song)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ88oTITMoM

--
EA


>
> --
> Ed Huntress
>
>
>>

[k...@attt.bizz]

On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 06:52:28 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy
<robert...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Feb 21, 6:12�pm, k...@attt.bizz wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:08:59 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy
>> ...snip...
>> >Hear, hear on the closed storage in a kitchen. and simple surfaces.
>> >Glass doors allow both the cleaning AND the contents' views.
>>
>> Glass doors are harder to keep clean than stainless appliances, which
>> you seem to hate (below).
>>
>> >Stay away from stainless steel appliances - TOO DIFFICULT TO KEEP
>> >CLEAN LOOKING.
>>
>> Not all stainless is the same. �Our 'fridge is pretty easy to keep
>> clean. �Other appliances (contractor stuff hasn't been replaced yet),
>> not so much.
>> ... snip....
>
>After fighting with various commercially available compounds, my wife
>discovered that the best cleaner for stainless steel of almost all
>types was ...Dial sanitizing liquid hand soap. Rubbed on and wiped dry
>actually polished to a sparkling beautiful finish. But alas someone
>changed the product and it doesn't work well now.

My wife found some wipes that work really well on stainless. They're
expensive but I was amazed how well they polished the sink (I lived in
the house six months before she moved - she gets the honors now ;-).

>She gave up cleaning any glass surface. Windex streaked and streaked
>and streaked. However, I found Walmart brand of glass cleaner provides
>a great sprayer at $1.88 and the product cleans well and doesn't
>streak. Unless dries before removal. And of course, use cheap paper
>towels, else there are usually some type of lotion or such in them
>that streaks too. To check if a paper towel has 'additives' in it?
>Simply pour bleach on it. If it gets warm, or hot enough to burn you,
>it has additives that will streak when you clean.

I don't have a problem with Windex but it does have to be taken off
before it dries. A last swipe with a little Windex on a paper towel
takes the last bit of streaks off. Watch the paper towels, though.
Some of the pretty printing dissolves in Windex and makes a mess of
paint. DAMHIKT.

>After fighting SS cleaners, my wife has delegated me to be the
>custodian of all the glass and stainless steel cleaning in our home. I
>finally found the BEST cleaner ever! Clean well then ONLY clean with
>distilled water and cheap paper towels. Squeegee the bathroom mirrors
>in 20 seconds DONE! Inside/outside windows? Take about a minute each.
>I tell you distilled water is a MIRACLE product. Alas, it 'almost'
>works on SS kitchen apliances. Front surfaces stay cleaned for about a
>month. But, the fridge doors are a constant battle. We don't touch the
>SS with hands to prevent human oil blotting their surfaces, but even
>that doesn't work well. Have to clean that !@#@$#%^@$ !!!! fridge
>almost everyday. Shouldn't say clean, mean polish.

Interesting. I'll have to try it. It does make sense.

>The manufacturers have solved the countertop problem with granite -
>robust and hides crumbs. But, they really need to work on finding a
>surface for appliances. Probably find some aerospace material works,
>like carbon composite with laminated granite?

Like I said, our appliances don't show finger prints at all. There
seems to be an oleophobic coating on them (the non-contractor grade
ones).

[Jim Wilkins]

"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message

news:mfbfi85f4slv0khpq...@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:37:45 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
> <murat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>news:p48fi8doe88sbejjo...@4ax.com...
>>> If you get a really good painter/illustrator drunk, especially a
>>> teacher, you'll find that the disdain for Picasso's drawing and
>>> traditional painting talents is more common than not. He couldn't
>>> handle drapery; his poses were awkward; his perspectives were
>>> unreal.

>>I would have used J.M.W.Turner for the example if he were better
>>known.
>
> Supurb landscapes! I saw an exhibition of his work at the National
> Gallery of Art in D.C. a couple of years ago. The actual paintings
> will knock you out.

> --
> Ed Huntress

Turner's other style:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IOlOkZgvsno/TW8NEwqxk_I/AAAAAAAAGrE/sM1ctluniaA/s1600/t3snow_storm%2B_hannibal_and_his_army_crossing_the_alps-large.jpg

https://opr-showcase.s3.amazonaws.com/Jmw%20Turner/Goldau.jpg

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RAturnSt.jpg

http://www.artbible.info/images/turner_plague5_grt.jpg

http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/turner/i/slave-ship.jpg

http://potatoartviews.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/snow-storm-stem-boat-off-a-hourbours-mouth.jpg

[The Daring Dufas]

Take a look at the link. ^_^

http://www.americansworking.com/

TDD

[Ed Huntress]

On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:01:18 -0500, "Existential Angst"
<fit...@optonline.net> wrote:

>"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>news:mfbfi85f4slv0khpq...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:37:45 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
>> <murat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>>news:p48fi8doe88sbejjo...@4ax.com...
>>>> If you get a really good painter/illustrator drunk, especially a
>>>> teacher, you'll find that the disdain for Picasso's drawing and
>>>> traditional painting talents is more common than not. He couldn't
>>>> handle drapery; his poses were awkward; his perspectives were
>>>> unreal.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I would have used J.M.W.Turner for the example if he were better
>>>known.
>>
>> Supurb landscapes! I saw an exhibition of his work at the National
>> Gallery of Art in D.C. a couple of years ago. The actual paintings
>> will knock you out.
>>
>> I used Rob's work because some of it relates to Picasso's early
>> paintings more closely.
>
>And because he's a good shot?? LOL

I thought I'd include that because Gary Cooper once gave Picasso a
revolver. <g>

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/photo_of_pablo_picasso_holding_gary_coopers_gun

>
>I can't cite the exact Picasso painting, drawing, but whatever it was showed
>superb draftsmanship -- at least to me.
>It showed that this was not some guy riding the Pop Cultural Magic Carpet
>Ride, 'spressin hisself -- he really knows what he's doing. Dali is another
>one, iirc.

Dali was a great draughtsman.

>
>Andy Warhol was another -- he actually eked out a good living as a working
>commercial artist -- cereal boxes'n'shit.... Very inneresting bio.
>Lou Reed's Walk on the Wild Side was in fact about Warhol's li'l cabal:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walk_on_the_Wild_Side_(Lou_Reed_song)
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ88oTITMoM

Oh, yeah. I was a Village Crawler in those days. I was a big Velvet
Underground fan...well, a Nico fan.

--
Ed Huntress

[Ed Huntress]

On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:13:28 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"

Nice. I remember a couple of those from the NGA exhibit.

We went to the NGA to see the Calder wire sculpture exhibit. But it
was Turner that stopped me in my tracks.

--
Ed Huntress

[k...@attt.bizz]

It's amazing. Those who whine most about Chinese crap are the same
people who refuse to buy American when it is available.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote in message

news:5127b276$0$6848$607e...@cv.net...

> Andy Warhol was another -- he actually eked out a good living as a
> working commercial artist -- cereal boxes'n'shit.... Very
> inneresting bio.
> Lou Reed's Walk on the Wild Side was in fact about Warhol's li'l
> cabal:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walk_on_the_Wild_Side_(Lou_Reed_song)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ88oTITMoM
>
> --
> EA

In the late 60's I was the technical assistant to an artist-filmmaker
who looked like Warhol, but better, and somewhat imitated the Factory
in an apartment house populated by all his entourage. I was
more-or-less Billy Name, with the theatre friends, minus the drugs
which they respected their brains too much to use.

I left when their side became too wild for me.

[Norminn]

So serious! Isn't "just because" an adequate reason once in a while?

[Norminn]

Well, dipshit, how about "just kidding"?

[Norminn]

The section on "computer equipment" was real interesting.

If we blockade China for fooling (I've used "fuck" too many times today)
with our networks, we won't have diddly-squat to make stuff with.
Wonder what that would do for employment.

[Existential Angst]

"-MIKE-" <mi...@mikedrumsDOT.com> wrote in message
news:kg8af7$dpa$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

<yawn>

And there's always a clairvoyant asshole in every group, speculating
WAAAAAAY beyond dey grade level.
--
EA

[Existential Angst]

"Norminn" <nor...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:y6GdnfA0yMmRILrM...@earthlink.com...

Serius indeed.
Beneath all the level-headed PC net-nanny bullshit is just a bullying
dick-waving mentality.
Sumpn is a li'l different, and they jump all over it.

And then, when they turn out to be flat out wrong, they don't have the
character or backbone to gracefully back down.
And in Mike's case, they start arm-chair psycho-anal-yzing and clairvoyantly
speculating.
Mike's bullshit actually sounded good there for a minute... but then so did
Cold Fusion.

Mostly, I'm betting, all these fukn RW assholes want an HGTV kitchen, can't
afford it, and won't admit it.
I cain't really afford it either (bustid my wad on dat Haas GR510), so I'm
tryna figger out a way around the HGTV bullshit, and, with some luck, a
better way. Some here were very helpful. But these assholes....
goodgawd....

Note how no one has axed: Just HOW do you make combined shelving/cabinets
out of 1/4" alum plate??
Fuuuuuck, if someone asserted that to me, that would be the FIRST thing on
my li'l mind.
But these woodwerked fagits would rather bash someone than learn anything
outside of their tight-assed myopic focus.

Oh well, iffin inyone is innerested, just holler.... LOL
--
EA

.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message

news:9qcfi8hr59grhmv31...@4ax.com...

>
> Oh, yeah. I was a Village Crawler in those days. I was a big Velvet
> Underground fan...well, a Nico fan.
>

> Ed Huntress

I thought I liked Mary Travers until we followed PP&M around to make a
music video of them to circulate on the 16mm art house circuit.

I started prowling the Village on weekends off from Ft Monmouth in
1970 and missed that scene. I ignored two fine musicals I later worked
on, 1776 and Jacques Brel, because I didn't like the names. (kicks
self)

The USO even had free tickets to them. I must have been the only GI in
New York then who liked theatre, because those were the only free
tickets they always still had.

[Existential Angst]

"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:kg8gkg$sa7$1...@dont-email.me...

Free tickets for GI's are always good..... leaves more money for the
prostitutes.
Hey, evrybody's gotta live, right?
--
EA


>
>
>

[dadiOH]

Ed Huntress wrote:

> Dali was a great draughtsman.

Yes. If you haven't seen it and get a chance to do so, the Dali Museum in
St. Petersberg, FL has a great collection.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote in message

news:5127bf1e$0$19532$607e...@cv.net...

> And there's always a clairvoyant asshole in every group, speculating
> WAAAAAAY beyond dey grade level.
> --
> EA

And a hypercritical one who is outraged when they get it back.

[DerbyDad03]

> people who refuse to buy American when it is available.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Define "buy American".

If I buy a product in which the $50 worth of parts were all made in
the US and the final product was assembled in the US by a $1,000,000
robot that was made in Japan, does that constitute "buying American"?

This is an interesting site related to "Qualified 'Made in USA'
claims":

http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus03-complying-made-usa-standard

Did I "buy American" if the label says:

"60% U.S. content."
"Made in USA of U.S. and imported parts."
"Couch assembled in USA from Italian Leather and Mexican Frame."

Buying American isn't as clear cut as it used to be, and certainly not
as easy.

[Bill]

Existential Angst wrote: NOTHING

What a BIG MOUTH!

[Ed Huntress]

On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:35:22 -0500, "dadiOH" <dad...@invalid.com>
wrote:

>Ed Huntress wrote:
>
>> Dali was a great draughtsman.
>
>Yes. If you haven't seen it and get a chance to do so, the Dali Museum in
>St. Petersberg, FL has a great collection.

Yeah, I saw it around 25 years ago. And Dalis show up from time to
time in the big NYC museums, which I've seen several times.

The work is impressive. The art -- or what it says about Dali's mind
-- is...a little scary. <g>

--
Ed Huntress

[dadiOH]

Existential Angst wrote:

> Heh, yer gonna miss my unreasonable Englich, when they have you
> speaking Reasonable Spanich....
> Been in HD lately?? goodgawd....

Ya hablo espa�ol. La escribo y leo tambien.

[-MIKE-]

You're not even in the top 100 assholes I've had the pleasure of
debasing on the internet.
So just think about something. If everyone else in the room is telling
you you're being a jerk, maybe it's not everyone in the room who's
wrong. Maybe it's you.

I bet I can cut-n-paste your sophomoric reply to this from the other
thousand or so I've read coming from the same type of boring trolls who
get their jollies from very poorly attempting to impersonate a witty,
intelligent human being.

[ChairMan]

but, but........I'm right and everybody else just doesn't
understand me<sarcasm off>

[ChairMan]

PKB

[The Daring Dufas]

It's a shame that so many government policies have run manufacturers out
of the country. I mentioned to someone else that people vote with
their feet and corporations and manufacturers vote with their moving
vans. O_o

TDD

[Jim Wilkins]

"Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote in message

news:5127c85f$0$19546$607e...@cv.net...

>
> Free tickets for GI's are always good..... leaves more money for
> the prostitutes.
> Hey, evrybody's gotta live, right?
> --
> EA

Some of us never need to pay.

The ones around Times Square / 42nd St in 1970 weren't even tempting.
I did use them to find out how far I had to dress down to disappear
from NYC street predators.

[Existential Angst]

"-MIKE-" <mi...@mikedrumsDOT.com> wrote in message

news:kg8ih8$5uf$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

So debasing is yer game, eh? Pleasurable, eh?
That just about sez it all. Let an asshole talk long enough, and eventually
they reveal their true motivations.

You proly cook on a hot plate anyway, so most of this is over your head.

> So just think about something. If everyone else in the room is telling
> you you're being a jerk, maybe it's not everyone in the room who's
> wrong. Maybe it's you.

It's not everyone. It's a li'l tight-assed cadre whose panties got wound up
so tight they look like a G-string.

>
> I bet I can cut-n-paste your sophomoric reply to this from the other
> thousand or so I've read coming from the same type of boring trolls who
> get their jollies from very poorly attempting to impersonate a witty,
> intelligent human being.

Wrong again. I axed a Q, queried some issues. No jollies in that.
Some of you fagits didn't like the syntax.
And that's where it started. Moi essentially had nothing to do with this.
The fact that you are now projecting "jollies" once again reveals where you
are coming from.

I think you fagits were breastfed until you were 15 or 16 -- there's no
other way to really explain all this.
--
EA

[jim]

-MIKE- wrote:

> So just think about something. If everyone else in the room is telling
> you you're being a jerk, maybe it's not everyone in the room who's
> wrong. Maybe it's you.

Or mabe you're just another loon who thinks this
is a room

[-MIKE-]

On 2/22/13 2:24 PM, Existential Angst wrote:
>>> And there's always a clairvoyant asshole in every group, speculating
>>> WAAAAAAY beyond dey grade level.
>>>
>>
>> You're not even in the top 100 assholes I've had the pleasure of
>> debasing on the internet.
>
> So debasing is yer game, eh? Pleasurable, eh?

No, just debasing assholes.
You've been writing your own goofy language so long, you can't
comprehend the one everyone else is writing.

>> So just think about something. If everyone else in the room is telling
>> you you're being a jerk, maybe it's not everyone in the room who's
>> wrong. Maybe it's you.
>
> It's not everyone. It's a li'l tight-assed cadre whose panties got wound up
> so tight they look like a G-string.
>
>>
>> I bet I can cut-n-paste your sophomoric reply to this from the other
>> thousand or so I've read coming from the same type of boring trolls who
>> get their jollies from very poorly attempting to impersonate a witty,
>> intelligent human being.
>
> Wrong again. I axed a Q, queried some issues. No jollies in that.
> Some of you fagits didn't like the syntax.
> And that's where it started. Moi essentially had nothing to do with this.
> The fact that you are now projecting "jollies" once again reveals where you
> are coming from.
>
> I think you fagits were breastfed until you were 15 or 16 -- there's no
> other way to really explain all this.
>

Predictable, boring, bye.

[-MIKE-]

Google: metaphor

[jim]

-MIKE- wrote:
>
> On 2/22/13 2:36 PM, jim wrote:
> >
> >
> > -MIKE- wrote:
> >
> >> So just think about something. If everyone else in the room is telling
> >> you you're being a jerk, maybe it's not everyone in the room who's
> >> wrong. Maybe it's you.
> >
> > Or mabe you're just another loon who thinks this
> > is a room
> >
>
> Google: metaphor
>

Google: loon

[k...@attt.bizz]

On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:48:35 -0500, Norminn <nor...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Like I said, lying, triturate, and lazy.

[k...@attt.bizz]

On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:40:11 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<teama...@eznet.net> wrote:

>On Feb 22, 1:40�pm, k...@attt.bizz wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:15:02 -0600, The Daring Dufas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <the-daring-du...@stinky-finger.net> wrote:
>> >On 2/22/2013 9:52 AM, Norminn wrote:
>> >> clipped
>>
>> >>> The manufacturers have solved the countertop problem with granite -
>> >>> robust and hides crumbs. But, they really need to work on finding a
>> >>> surface for appliances. �Probably find some aerospace material works,
>> >>> like carbon composite with laminated granite?
>>
>> >> The Chinese have solved the problem for appliances...plastic, engineered
>> >> to not last long enough to get dirty. �Last time I went shopping, I
>> >> tried to find something NOT made in China...all I could come up with was
>> >> a picture frame made in Mexico.
>>
>> >Take a look at the link. ^_^
>>
>> >http://www.americansworking.com/
>>
>> It's amazing. �Those who whine most about Chinese crap are the same
>> people who refuse to buy American when it is available.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Define "buy American".

Made in the USA with right-to-work labor. ;-)

>If I buy a product in which the $50 worth of parts were all made in
>the US and the final product was assembled in the US by a $1,000,000
>robot that was made in Japan, does that constitute "buying American"?

Is it better than the product made in China with slave labor? The
same people are whining about that (you), yet insist on buying it.

>This is an interesting site related to "Qualified 'Made in USA'
>claims":
>
>http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus03-complying-made-usa-standard
>
>Did I "buy American" if the label says:
>
>"60% U.S. content."
>"Made in USA of U.S. and imported parts."
>"Couch assembled in USA from Italian Leather and Mexican Frame."
>
>Buying American isn't as clear cut as it used to be, and certainly not
>as easy.

It should be easy? ...just because you're too lazy to do your
research? Nah, you'll just buy the crap and whine anyway.

[k...@attt.bizz]

Lefties will never understand that. They don't even want to consider
the consequences of their actions. It's too hard.

[k...@attt.bizz]

You obviously don't know EA.

[Existential Angst]

"-MIKE-" <mi...@mikedrumsDOT.com> wrote in message

news:kg8la6$do2$2...@speranza.aioe.org...

> On 2/22/13 2:24 PM, Existential Angst wrote:
>>>> And there's always a clairvoyant asshole in every group, speculating
>>>> WAAAAAAY beyond dey grade level.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're not even in the top 100 assholes I've had the pleasure of
>>> debasing on the internet.
>>
>> So debasing is yer game, eh? Pleasurable, eh?
>
> No, just debasing assholes.
> You've been writing your own goofy language so long, you can't comprehend
> the one everyone else is writing.

Clearly you don't understand phonetics, or dialects -- or much else.

.

>
>
>>> So just think about something. If everyone else in the room is telling
>>> you you're being a jerk, maybe it's not everyone in the room who's
>>> wrong. Maybe it's you.
>>
>> It's not everyone. It's a li'l tight-assed cadre whose panties got wound
>> up
>> so tight they look like a G-string.
>>
>>>
>>> I bet I can cut-n-paste your sophomoric reply to this from the other
>>> thousand or so I've read coming from the same type of boring trolls who
>>> get their jollies from very poorly attempting to impersonate a witty,
>>> intelligent human being.
>>
>> Wrong again. I axed a Q, queried some issues. No jollies in that.
>> Some of you fagits didn't like the syntax.
>> And that's where it started. Moi essentially had nothing to do with
>> this.
>> The fact that you are now projecting "jollies" once again reveals where
>> you
>> are coming from.
>>
>> I think you fagits were breastfed until you were 15 or 16 -- there's no
>> other way to really explain all this.
>>
>
> Predictable, boring, bye.

Bye-bye.... don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out....

BUT..... O Debaser/Slayer of Trolls.... before you leave.... you
contributed..... just WHAT..... to the original thread?
Oh.... that's right.... nothing..... not a fukn thing on the subject of
kitchen design....
Predictable.
--
EA

[Jim Wilkins]

<k...@attt.bizz> wrote in message
news:u5ofi8l5lu29it9ee...@4ax.com...

Or want to.

[Michael A. Terrell]

DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
> Buying American isn't as clear cut as it used to be, and certainly not
> as easy.

When was that? There were stickers on TV chassis in the '60s to
declare the percentage of the set was made in the US. Every 'American'
brand had some imported parts. The worst were Mexican made inductors.
they used a high acid flux and didn't clean the joints, so when a set
was three years old in the Ohio valley the wire would finally corrode
all the way through. Even the early Japanese electronics was better
quality.

[Michael A. Terrell]

k...@attt.bizz wrote:
>
> Like I said, our appliances don't show finger prints at all. There
> seems to be an oleophobic coating on them (the non-contractor grade
> ones).


Have you tried cleaning them properly and applying a good coat of
automotive paste wax on (the non-contractor grade ones)? I use the old
standard, 'Turtle Wax, hard shell pates wax' to keep things clean. I
started doing that when I was selling used computers about 20 years
ago. People would leave dirty spots on the ones on display, but it just
took a quick wipe with a damp rag to clean most them if they were waxed.

[Michael A. Terrell]

dadiOH wrote:
>
> Existential Angst wrote:
>
> > If you can read the following paragraph, forward it to your friends
> > and the person who sent it to you with 'Yes' in the subject line.
> > Only very good minds can read this. This is weird, but interesting!
> >
> > 7H15 M3554G3
> > 53RV35 7O PR0V3
> > H0W 0UR M1ND5 C4N
> > D0 4M4Z1NG 7H1NG5!
> > 1MPR3551V3 7H1NG5!
> > 1N 7H3 B3G1NN1NG
> > 17 WA5 H4RD BU7
> > N0W, 0N 7H15 LIN3
> > Y0UR M1ND 1S
> > R34D1NG 17
> > 4U70M471C4LLY
> > W17H 0U7 3V3N
> > 7H1NK1NG 4B0U7 17,
> > B3 PROUD! 0NLY
> > C3R741N P30PL3 C4N
> > R3AD 7H15.
> > PL3453 F0RW4RD 1F
> > U C4N R34D 7H15.
>
> It isn't all that hard to read but why bother? What's the point when one
> can write it properly? And that is the whole point of those who disliked
> your original post...you wanted feedback from readers so why not just post
> your question/problem succinctly using reasonable English?
>
> IOW, it isn't a problem of being unable to read your "simple shit", it's
> just a matter of "why bother".


That's why so many just kill file the fool.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Who wants to meet anyone with an IQ lower than that of slime mold?

[Jim Wilkins]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:J8SdnSyVM7-

>
> Who wants to meet anyone with an IQ lower than that of slime mold?

EA's intelligence and education peek through sometimes, as when he
discusses chemistry.



Kanye West is a good example of an upper-middle-class A student who
purposely misrepresents themselves to gain street acceptance. His
mother chaired the English Department at Chicago State University.

[The Daring Dufas]

I read a post somewhere I think it was our Texan friend HB about an
insurance company buying up a lot of property in Texas because it's a
lot more of a business friendly state and the company may move there. ^_^

TDD

[Norminn]

clipped

> It's a shame that so many government policies have run manufacturers out
> of the country. I mentioned to someone else that people vote with
> their feet and corporations and manufacturers vote with their moving
> vans. O_o
>
> TDD

People do vote with their feet, stampeding past the mom and pop store to
Walmart.

[The Daring Dufas]

I do a lot of work in Walmart stores, you'd be amazed at the amount of
technology in retail stores these days. Last week me and JH were on an
electric man lift working on the 42" video advertising displays at one
of the Walmart Supercenter store's entrances. Besides, I like to watch
the people who wander around in there. Last week we had an old fellow
who was an army veteran on an electric cart roll up to where we were
working and start telling us about his job at the arsenal repair depot
were he retired from and worked on main battle tanks like the M60 and
M1A1. I'll always spend some time talking to the elderly when I can and
have the time. Heck, if I survive to get that old, I hope someone will
take the time to speak to me. ^_^

TDD

[Michael A. Terrell]

Do you vist: http://www.peopleofwalmart.com

[The Daring Dufas]

I haven't been to that site before but there are all kinds of "The
People of Walmart" videos out there even some songs. ^_^

TDD

[Michael A. Terrell]

The Daring Dufas wrote:

>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> > Do you vist: http://www.peopleofwalmart.com
>
> I haven't been to that site before but there are all kinds of "The
> People of Walmart" videos out there even some songs. ^_^

There are probably a thousand pictures of the strange being that
inhabit the dark isles of WalMart stores on that site. Don't blame me
if you spend a whole day asking yourself, WTH?


Make sure you're sitting down when you visit their DIY repair site:

http://whitetrashrepairs.com/

[The Daring Dufas]

The problem is, I've seen and had to deal with those kind of things for
real. ^_^

TDD

[Ed Huntress]

Then you'll appreciate the Redneck Smoke Alarm:

http://www.nachi.org/forum/f11/redneck-smoke-detector-54691/

--
Ed Huntress

[Michael A. Terrell]

Check it out. You haven't seen every possible stupid repair, YET!
;-) You'll be glad you didn't have to clean up most of them.