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Gunner Asch

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Dec 23, 2013, 5:45:14 PM12/23/13
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Google causing children to be �brain dead� warns successful inventor

J. D. Heyes
NaturalNews
January 6, 2013

The �Google generation� is in danger of losing its creativity, warns
one of Great Britain�s most successful inventor, because they tend to
rely on the Internet for just about everything, which is putting them
in danger of becoming �brain dead.�

Trevor Baylis, 75, inventor of the wind-up radio, said kids today are
losing creativity and practical skills because they are spending far
too much time staring at a computer screen, Britain�s Daily Mail
reports.

Because of that, Baylis says he fears that future generations of
inventors are being lost as too few young people are able to make
things with their hands. That said, Baylis believes children could
re-learn vital practical skills if schools used Meccano � a model
construction kit featuring reusable angle strips, girders, wheels,
nuts and bolts � as well as other practical toys.

�I used to go out and collect the rubbish

�Children have got to be taught hands-on, and not to become mobile
phone or computer dependent,� he told the paper. �They should use
computers as and when, but there are so many people playing with
computers nowadays that spend all their time sitting there with a
stomach.�

Baylis said kids are �dependent on Google searches.�

�A lot of kids will become fairly brain-dead if they become so
depending on the Internet, because they will not be able to do things
the old-fashioned way.�

The inventor said the world was much different when he was younger,
adding that he was about five or six years old when he began inventing
devices.

�During (World War II), when I was not at school, I used to go out and
collect the rubbish,� Baylis told the Mail. �One day I was out and
went to this house around the corner from where I grew up in Southall,
Middlesex, and this lady said, �I�ve got a box of stuff for you, Trev,
you�d better get a wheelbarrow.� So I picked up this thing and on the
way back I was intrigued and I looked inside and it turned out to be a
huge Meccano set.�

He said if he wanted to �make a five-wheeled motor car� or �a forklift
truck,� he could.

�And that�s really what it is about, because that stays with you all
your life.�

The award-winning inventor said he believes simple challenges in
school, using tools like Meccano model kits and other practical skills
games.

�With Meccano,� Baylis said, �you could do your own reproduction of,
say, the Sydney Harbor Bridge,� located in Sydney, Australia.

�If you brought Meccano back into primary or secondary schools then
you�d have class one against class two � you�ve got four hours to make
the Sydney Harbor Bridget and we�ll see which one is the strongest,�
said Baylis, many of whose inventions were aimed at helping the
disabled.

A comparable toy in the U.S. would be the Erector Set, a
construction-type of toy dating back to World War I, enabled children
to build structures like bridges, building frames, biplanes and other
gizmos.

Others agree: Kids spend too much time online

Baylis said much of his motivation came from an accident he had when
he was working as a circus stunt man.

�I did an underwater escape act in Berlin circus in 1970,� he told the
Mail. �When I was in the circus I had a very passionate affair with an
aerial ballet star, a lovely girl from Vienna.

�One night she bounced off the net and hit the side and died halfway
through the show, and it broke my heart,� he said. �I suddenly
realized disability is only a banana skin away.�

The inventor still has a workshop where he tinkers with inventions.

Other experts are also concerned kids are spending too much time
online and playing video games.

Parents �should be encouraging their kids to do other things,� says
child psychologist Robert Myers. �As far as brain development goes,
playing with toys, building things for younger kids, fantasy play are
much more important in child development than what you�re going to
watch on a screen.�


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Dec 23, 2013, 5:56:56 PM12/23/13
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That certainly explains retards who voted for a Mexican born Polygamist named Romney.

Steve from Colorado

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Dec 23, 2013, 7:41:48 PM12/23/13
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On 12/23/2013 3:45 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>
> Google causing children to be �brain dead� warns successful inventor
>
> J. D. Heyes
> NaturalNews
> January 6, 2013
>
> The �Google generation� is in danger of losing its creativity, warns
> one of Great Britain�s most successful inventor, because they tend to
> rely on the Internet for just about everything, which is putting them
> in danger of becoming �brain dead.�
>
> Trevor Baylis, 75, inventor of the wind-up radio, said kids today are
> losing creativity and practical skills because they are spending far
> too much time staring at a computer screen, Britain�s Daily Mail
> reports.
>
> Because of that, Baylis says he fears that future generations of
> inventors are being lost as too few young people are able to make
> things with their hands. That said, Baylis believes children could
> re-learn vital practical skills if schools used Meccano � a model
> construction kit featuring reusable angle strips, girders, wheels,
> nuts and bolts � as well as other practical toys.
>
> �I used to go out and collect the rubbish
>
> �Children have got to be taught hands-on, and not to become mobile
> phone or computer dependent,� he told the paper. �They should use
> computers as and when, but there are so many people playing with
> computers nowadays that spend all their time sitting there with a
> stomach.�
>
> Baylis said kids are �dependent on Google searches.�
>
> �A lot of kids will become fairly brain-dead if they become so
> depending on the Internet, because they will not be able to do things
> the old-fashioned way.�
>
> The inventor said the world was much different when he was younger,
> adding that he was about five or six years old when he began inventing
> devices.
>
> �During (World War II), when I was not at school, I used to go out and
> collect the rubbish,� Baylis told the Mail. �One day I was out and
> went to this house around the corner from where I grew up in Southall,
> Middlesex, and this lady said, �I�ve got a box of stuff for you, Trev,
> you�d better get a wheelbarrow.� So I picked up this thing and on the
> way back I was intrigued and I looked inside and it turned out to be a
> huge Meccano set.�
>
> He said if he wanted to �make a five-wheeled motor car� or �a forklift
> truck,� he could.
>
> �And that�s really what it is about, because that stays with you all
> your life.�
>
> The award-winning inventor said he believes simple challenges in
> school, using tools like Meccano model kits and other practical skills
> games.
>
> �With Meccano,� Baylis said, �you could do your own reproduction of,
> say, the Sydney Harbor Bridge,� located in Sydney, Australia.
>
> �If you brought Meccano back into primary or secondary schools then
> you�d have class one against class two � you�ve got four hours to make
> the Sydney Harbor Bridget and we�ll see which one is the strongest,�
> said Baylis, many of whose inventions were aimed at helping the
> disabled.
>
> A comparable toy in the U.S. would be the Erector Set, a
> construction-type of toy dating back to World War I, enabled children
> to build structures like bridges, building frames, biplanes and other
> gizmos.
>
> Others agree: Kids spend too much time online
>
> Baylis said much of his motivation came from an accident he had when
> he was working as a circus stunt man.
>
> �I did an underwater escape act in Berlin circus in 1970,� he told the
> Mail. �When I was in the circus I had a very passionate affair with an
> aerial ballet star, a lovely girl from Vienna.
>
> �One night she bounced off the net and hit the side and died halfway
> through the show, and it broke my heart,� he said. �I suddenly
> realized disability is only a banana skin away.�
>
> The inventor still has a workshop where he tinkers with inventions.
>
> Other experts are also concerned kids are spending too much time
> online and playing video games.
>
> Parents �should be encouraging their kids to do other things,� says
> child psychologist Robert Myers. �As far as brain development goes,
> playing with toys, building things for younger kids, fantasy play are
> much more important in child development than what you�re going to
> watch on a screen.�
>
>

For an alternate view, see if you can stand to watch this video. If he
were my son, I'd cut his hair, LOL. He does seem to be in command of
his own destiny.

http://www.upworthy.com/this-really-happy-13-year-old-hacks-his-education-and-now-i-regret-i-didnt-do-the-same-with-mine


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news13

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Dec 23, 2013, 9:47:58 PM12/23/13
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On Mon, 23 Dec 2013 17:41:48 -0700, Steve from Colorado wrote:

> For an alternate view, see if you can stand to watch this video. If he
> were my son, I'd cut his hair, LOL. He does seem to be in command of
> his own destiny.
>
> http://www.upworthy.com/this-really-happy-13-year-old-hacks-his-
education-and-now-i-regret-i-didnt-do-the-same-with-mine

The world is full of parents who want to gravy train off "successful
children" and this pair want to real in another bunch of suckers with
another internet wonder-kid scam.


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rbowman

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Dec 23, 2013, 11:46:05 PM12/23/13
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Gunner Asch wrote:

> “Children have got to be taught hands-on, and not to become mobile
> phone or computer dependent,” he told the paper. “They should use
> computers as and when, but there are so many people playing with
> computers nowadays that spend all their time sitting there with a
> stomach.”

I guess he missed Make magazine, Adafruit, Arduinos, and the Raspberry Pi.
Make is particularly good since it isn't just electronics. An issue this
summer had a how-to on building your own sugar rocket:

http://makezine.com/projects/make-35/homemade-sugar-rocket/
http://makezine.com/magazine/make-35/high-power-sugar-rocket/

What red blooded kid could resist that? Even the local library is getting
into it with a Maker Space with a 3D printer, SBC's, scrap booking stuff and
so forth.

Are all kids going to get into it? Hell, no, but then when I was a kid there
was a limited supply of nerds too.

rbowman

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Dec 23, 2013, 11:50:26 PM12/23/13
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Dustin wrote:

> We had that when I attended school. I remember it in 3rd grade...

I remember my Erector set fondly. There was a nice project where you made an
interrupter with a gear, an insulated strip, and the standard steel strips
that also held a couple of D cells, a couple of handles made out of the
girders, and wired in the little universal motor. Get some sucker to hold
the handles while you cranked vigorously and you had DIY electro-convulsive
therapy.

It was a hell of a lot more fun than the Ferris wheel.

Gunner Asch

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Dec 24, 2013, 7:07:37 AM12/24/13
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On Mon, 23 Dec 2013 21:50:26 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:
Dad hit all the yard sales and swap meets and brought home every
piece, bit and rail he could find from erector sets and dumped them in
my Building Box..which was a foot locker. By the time I stopped using
it..the bastard weighed about 150 lbs. I only stopped using it when I
went to war. Everything in the full basement shop was built out of
erector set construction. That was back in the days when a strut or
member was strong..not like some of the thin assed foil parts one
finds today.

I dont remember what he did with it after I left home..but when I went
back 20 yrs later...the shelves, holders, racks and various handy
gizmos were still there and in operation.

Stormin Mormon

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Dec 24, 2013, 9:35:22 AM12/24/13
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Does that help explain what you do, presently,
with kittens?

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Winston_Smith

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Dec 24, 2013, 2:30:18 PM12/24/13
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A happy humbug to you too.

rbowman

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Dec 24, 2013, 9:30:26 PM12/24/13
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Stormin Mormon wrote:

> Does that help explain what you do, presently,
> with kittens?

Give them milk and feed them salmon off my plate? I'll even share suooer
with yellowjackets. I have no problems with the animal kingdom with the
exception of one pain in the ass species.

Merry Christmas, btw, Species.

Tom Gardner

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On 12/24/2013 7:07 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Dec 2013 21:50:26 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dustin wrote:
>>
>>> We had that when I attended school. I remember it in 3rd grade...
>>
>> I remember my Erector set fondly. There was a nice project where you made an
>> interrupter with a gear, an insulated strip, and the standard steel strips
>> that also held a couple of D cells, a couple of handles made out of the
>> girders, and wired in the little universal motor. Get some sucker to hold
>> the handles while you cranked vigorously and you had DIY electro-convulsive
>> therapy.
>>
>> It was a hell of a lot more fun than the Ferris wheel.
>
> Dad hit all the yard sales and swap meets and brought home every
> piece, bit and rail he could find from erector sets and dumped them in
> my Building Box..which was a foot locker. By the time I stopped using
> it..the bastard weighed about 150 lbs. I only stopped using it when I
> went to war. Everything in the full basement shop was built out of
> erector set construction. That was back in the days when a strut or
> member was strong..not like some of the thin assed foil parts one
> finds today.
>
> I dont remember what he did with it after I left home..but when I went
> back 20 yrs later...the shelves, holders, racks and various handy
> gizmos were still there and in operation.
>
>
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> but it is great if your best friend does. That way you get all the benefits without any of the upkeep"
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I STILL play with my Erector set! But I call it 80/20 now.
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Winston_Smith

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Dec 25, 2013, 4:38:17 PM12/25/13
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On Mon, 23 Dec 2013 21:50:26 -0700, rbowman wrote:

>I remember my Erector set fondly. There was a nice project where you made an
>interrupter with a gear, an insulated strip, and the standard steel strips
>that also held a couple of D cells, a couple of handles made out of the
>girders, and wired in the little universal motor. Get some sucker to hold
>the handles while you cranked vigorously and you had DIY electro-convulsive
>therapy.
>
>It was a hell of a lot more fun than the Ferris wheel.

I slaved all summer when I was in 4th grade to earn the money for a BB
gun and a 16 foot braided leather bull whip. (Lash Larue was big at
the time.)

Let me tell you, there is a real trick to learning to crack a whip
that long. For one thing, you have to get the tip higher than your
head BEFORE it gets TO your head. There is more later to get a
satisfactory crack but that's the painful part.

It was amusing letting other kids try it. I always gave dire warnings
of maiming and death but of course they saw it in the movies and knew
they could do it first try. OK, sucker, give it a shot.

rbowman

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Dec 25, 2013, 8:22:45 PM12/25/13
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Dustin wrote:

> As long as power is on (or
> not present), nothing happens to the person holding the other set of
> wires. But the moment the field collapses, they get a nasty shock...

Same deal. The universal motor provides the collapsing field and the
contacts bouncing against the gear teeth make it more interesting. Good for
what ails you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcutaneous_electrical_nerve_stimulation

When I was a kid there was what amounted to an early TENS device floating
around from my grandfather's day. It had various electrodes and sponges and
ran off one of the big old 1.5 volt EverReady dry cells with the screw
terminals. It had a magnetic interrupter and a variable inductance so you
could tune it for frequency and intensity. I guess it was safe because I
didn't kill myself messing around with it.

rbowman

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Dec 25, 2013, 8:39:28 PM12/25/13
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Winston_Smith wrote:

> Let me tell you, there is a real trick to learning to crack a whip
> that long. For one thing, you have to get the tip higher than your
> head BEFORE it gets TO your head. There is more later to get a
> satisfactory crack but that's the painful part.

I had one about half that length and even that took some practice. Between
the whip, the sling, and throwing various knives and hatchets, I was a
destructive little bugger. We won't go into my preferred method of starting
the fire when I was tasked with burning the trash.

I saw some people messing around with bullwhips at a RenFaire this summer
and it brought back memories -- so good, some bad.

Winston_Smith

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Dec 25, 2013, 9:01:45 PM12/25/13
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That same summer I went to a live cowboy tricks and arts show. When
the whip guy asked for volunteers to let him take a cigarette out of
their mouth, about half the audience put up their hands. I'm the one
he picked.

I guess I looked steady, or stupid, or disposable.

As he was positioning me, he whispered a few words of what I should do
and what was going to happen, but the trick was absolutely on the up
and up. What you saw was what it was.

Cut the cigarette in half and then took out the other half. I managed
not to shake or soil myself. It's actually a fond memory.

Fast forward. Can anyone imagine a show like that today?
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Jim Wilkins

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I taught myself the general idea by practicing on weed tops and tree
leaves. First I laid the whip out straight behind me with a
fly-casting wrist action, then I did the same to roll it forward
toward the target, with a little wrist rebound snap that created a
soliton wave which accelerated down the narrowing braid until it
snapped the tip strip around at supersonic speed.
The crack wasn't really necessary to practice aim, nor was having it
lying straight out behind me, but that helped.

It took a LOT of practice to cut a leaf even a fraction of the time.
Maybe if would have been easier with a good whip, instead of a
souvenir from South of the Border.


Jim Wilkins

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"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I taught myself the general idea by practicing on weed tops and tree
> leaves. First I laid the whip out straight behind me with a
> fly-casting wrist action, then I did the same to roll it forward
> toward the target, with a little wrist rebound snap that created a
> soliton wave which accelerated down the narrowing braid until it
> snapped the tip strip around at supersonic speed.

Thinking about it, maybe the energy from both the unrolling and the
back snap waves had to arrive at the tip at the same time. It didn't
crack consistently, especially as my wrist tired and my timing
worsened. Without the back snap the tip would just swing around in a
fairly large arc.


rbowman

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Dec 26, 2013, 12:22:08 AM12/26/13
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Jim Wilkins wrote:

> It took a LOT of practice to cut a leaf even a fraction of the time.
> Maybe if would have been easier with a good whip, instead of a
> souvenir from South of the Border.

At least it was doable with practice. Anybody ever manage to do anything
with a Wham-O boomerang except make it disappear into the puckerbrush at a
high rate of speed?

deep

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Dec 26, 2013, 12:54:04 AM12/26/13
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On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 22:22:08 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:
If you threw it high into a stiff head wind you could get it to circle
around and sort of come back. Never could get it so I could get
anywhere close to catching it. I think the whole I idea of throwing
them at little critters and if you missed it would come back to you is
a complete myth. Not sure why that would have much of any practical
benefit other than something to do on a slow day in the outback.

news13

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Dec 26, 2013, 1:12:49 AM12/26/13
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On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 22:22:08 -0700, rbowman wrote:

> t least it was doable with practice. Anybody ever manage to do anything
> with a Wham-O boomerang except make it disappear into the puckerbrush at
> a high rate of speed?

A piece of plastic shit? Some were shite, some useable.

FWIW, I have five "real" boomerangs made from ply. All work, rather I can
throw them and have them come back. too slow these days to catch them.
>

Gunner Asch

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Dec 26, 2013, 1:42:46 AM12/26/13
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On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 22:22:08 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:
I managed 3 stitches in my Dads ear with one.

Gunner

Michael A. Terrell

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Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 22:22:08 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Jim Wilkins wrote:
> >
> >> It took a LOT of practice to cut a leaf even a fraction of the time.
> >> Maybe if would have been easier with a good whip, instead of a
> >> souvenir from South of the Border.
> >
> >At least it was doable with practice. Anybody ever manage to do anything
> >with a Wham-O boomerang except make it disappear into the puckerbrush at a
> >high rate of speed?
>
> I managed 3 stitches in my Dads ear with one.


Normal people use a needle. Just sayin! ;-)



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misanthrope

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Dec 26, 2013, 8:15:27 AM12/26/13
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On 12/25/2013 7:39 PM, rbowman wrote:
> Winston_Smith wrote:
...
>
> I saw some people messing around with bullwhips at a RenFaire this summer
> and it brought back memories -- so good, some bad.
>

Were any of them Adam Crack? That is the name of the whip performer at
our local ren faire.

Jim Wilkins

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Dec 26, 2013, 8:21:30 AM12/26/13
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"rbowman" <bow...@montana.com> wrote in message
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Yes, I could make one flare to a stop in front of me and hover down to
the ground. I could catch it by clapping my hands onto it vertically,
but I didn't practice that often because mistakes hurt.

They must be held vertical when thrown, with your right hand, and are
best given some extra wrist twist to increase the spin rate. The
faster they spin, the better they perform. If you can see the arms
clearly it's not spinning fast enough. They should be a blur.

If thrown level (but held vertical) they loop up high like a roller
coaster and then dive back toward the thrower. If still spinning fast
enough they pull up and slow down, otherwise be ready to jump out of
the way. Thrown somewhat upwards they travel in flatter circles like a
merry-go-round.

At first I practiced in tall grass because they break easily when they
dive into the ground hard. A good wrist exercise was to hold it
horizontal and try to make it spin like a helicopter with little
forward speed.

They aren't much more difficult to learn than skipping flat stones
across water or Frisbee stunts.
jsw



rbowman

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Dec 26, 2013, 9:59:43 AM12/26/13
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Jim Wilkins wrote:

> They must be held vertical when thrown, with your right hand, and are
> best given some extra wrist twist to increase the spin rate. The
> faster they spin, the better they perform. If you can see the arms
> clearly it's not spinning fast enough. They should be a blur.

That's it! I'm left handed and have been cruelly discriminated against all
of my life. I'm going to sue Wham-O for the misery they've caused me.

Seriously, I wonder if there is some asymmetry involved.

rbowman

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Dec 26, 2013, 10:05:54 AM12/26/13
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misanthrope wrote:

> Were any of them Adam Crack? That is the name of the whip performer at
> our local ren faire.

I don't know. I was just walking by toward the bowyer's tent and it was
strictly amateur hour. There was one guy instructing the people trying to
maim themselves but I didn't see him perform. As RenFaires go, it was a low
rent operation and I doubt it attracted any name brand people.

Jim Wilkins

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Dec 26, 2013, 10:07:05 AM12/26/13
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"rbowman" <bow...@montana.com> wrote in message
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Yes, the arms are airfoils. Like feet they don't function as well
going backwards.
jsw


rbowman

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Dec 26, 2013, 10:15:26 AM12/26/13
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news13 wrote:

> A piece of plastic shit? Some were shite, some useable.

Shite, in the experience of myself and the hoodlums I hung around. it was
one of the more frustrating Wham-O products. Obviously there were varying
skill levels with the Frisbees, Hula-Hoops, Slingshots, HackySacks and so
forth but at least there were friends who were really good with them and
could give you pointers. I don't recall anyone getting their boomerang to
make more than a half hearted u-turn, rather than a slice, hook, or whatever
it is golfers call it when the ball winds up it the woods.


Jeff M

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Dec 26, 2013, 12:01:35 PM12/26/13
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"The Whipmaster" was a hilarious skit on SNL
http://www.clipstr.com/videos/BillMurrayAsTheWhipMasterSNL/


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Winston_Smith

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On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 22:22:08 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:

>At least it was doable with practice. Anybody ever manage to do anything
>with a Wham-O boomerang except make it disappear into the puckerbrush at a
>high rate of speed?

Tsk, tsk, a man with a science background yet. Speed IS a rate.
</detail nazi>

;>}

news13

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Dec 26, 2013, 6:45:32 PM12/26/13
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On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 07:59:43 -0700, rbowman wrote:

> Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
>> They must be held vertical when thrown, with your right hand,

I incline mine a little and throw them towards the wind, but off a little
and it really is about the flick you give them to start the rotation.

> That's it! I'm left handed and have been cruelly discriminated against
> all of my life. I'm going to sue Wham-O for the misery they've caused
> me.
>
> Seriously, I wonder if there is some asymmetry involved.

Yes, just flip the profile to make a left handed one.


rbowman

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Dec 26, 2013, 9:22:52 PM12/26/13
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Jim Wilkins wrote:

> Yes, the arms are airfoils. Like feet they don't function as well
> going backwards.

Understood but I'm trying to visualize if there is any reason you couldn't
throw it with either hand. I don't think so but I've run into little gotchas
before. When they first came out with the twist-off beer caps I wondered why
I seemed to have more problems opening them than other people. I finally
realized it was sort of like a pipe wrench and twisting with your left hand
tended to open your grip rather than tightening it.

iirc, the Wham-O version was flat on one side and had the airfoil contour on
the other.so you could hold it in the same orientation with either hand.

rbowman

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Dec 26, 2013, 9:31:54 PM12/26/13
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Winston_Smith wrote:

> Tsk, tsk, a man with a science background yet. Speed IS a rate.
> </detail nazi>
>

Yeah, and if I'm not very careful I say 'nucular' too. Years of bad examples
wear you down. Irregardless, I don't say irregardless, although my
prepositions sometimes slide to the end of a sentence if I can't figure out
a better order to put the words in.


Winston_Smith

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Dec 26, 2013, 10:16:20 PM12/26/13
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"This is the sort of bloody nonsense up with which I will not put."
-- Winston Churchill (probably apocryphal)

Rudy Canoza

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Dec 26, 2013, 10:44:38 PM12/26/13
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...a better order in which to put the words.

...a better word order.

What's the matter with those?

Jim Wilkins

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Dec 27, 2013, 9:52:11 AM12/27/13
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"rbowman" <bow...@montana.com> wrote in message
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The flat part was twisted to have a positive angle of attack.



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