Hoo Boy!
Steve B
got some new bifocals, the reading part 4.50 and 5.00. Up from 4.00 last
glasses three years ago. No wonder I was getting headaches. Asked him
about welding with them, and he said so long as I use proper shading, no
problem. Said welders only had problems with flash burns. I'd guess they
weren't using the right shading. Can't wait to get the glasses, and I got a
free pair of the contacts to try out.
Damn, I can see again.
Steve
Jim Stewart
BTW, I had a hell of a time welding with my
bifocals. I couldn't get the helmet down low
enough to see out of the near vision lenses
and the filter at the same time.
Then I noticed little detents behind the tension
adjusters on my helmet. Loosened the screws,
tilted the mask down and all is good.
Steve B
"Jim Stewart" <jste...@jkmicro.com> wrote in message
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I had to use contacts and cheater glasses, but it worked fine. I use an
auto dark hood, so I don't have to nod and throw everything off if I am
using bifocals. If I am going to do more than fifteen minutes of welding, I
put on the double vision special. Have to put on cheaters whenever I wanted
to see anything up close or read. Now, I can just wear plain safety glasses
over these contacts. I wish I had known about these sooner. I would have
gotten them.
If I had known hearing aids were so good, I'd have gotten some five years
earlier, too.
I'm slow.
Steve
Joe
<desert...@fishymail.net> wrote:
[snip]
>If I had known hearing aids were so good, I'd have gotten some five years
>earlier, too.
People were probably telling you all about the benefits of hearing
aids for years. Just one problem, though... <g>
Joe
Winston
What?
:)
--Winston
Steve B
"Winston" <Win...@bigbrother.net> wrote in message
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When I was in the hospital, the fire alarm went off on a false alarm. It
rang for about twenty minutes .............. BLEEP ................. BLEEP
........... BLEEP.
My right hearing aid would cancel out the sound, and I could listen to the
TV. My left one didn't, and amplified the fire alarm. Just about used my
Depends when it came on.
Guess they need another $150 tune up.
Steve
Wes
>My right hearing aid would cancel out the sound, and I could listen to the
>TV. My left one didn't, and amplified the fire alarm. Just about used my
>Depends when it came on.
>
>Guess they need another $150 tune up.
If only the freqency of my tinitus in my left ear could be fed back 180 out of phase and
at same amplitude.
Wes
Lewis Hartswick
HuH? What's that you say???? :-)
>
> :)
>
> --Winston
Winston
Me, too.
As a youngster, I recall sitting in the parking lot of a local astronomical
observatory and marveling at the complete absence of sound.
I really miss that.
--Winston
technomaNge
>
> If only the freqency of my tinitus in my left ear could be fed back 180 out of phase and
> at same amplitude.
>
> Wes
There ya go, folks. An announced need with no product to fill it.
Who has contacts at a hearing aid company?
I'm interested, I have the same problem.
technomaNge
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> Wes wrote:
>
>>
>> If only the freqency of my tinitus in my left ear could be fed back
>> 180 out of phase and at same amplitude.
>>
>> Wes
>
>
> There ya go, folks. An announced need with no product to fill it.
> Who has contacts at a hearing aid company?
>
> I'm interested, I have the same problem.
>
>
> technomaNge
Lately there's been a spate of advertisements on TV for a product called
"Quietus" that claims to be an herbal cure/remedy for tinitus.
Being more than somewhat skeptical of herbal products I haven't sent them
any ca$h.
Pete Keillor
wrote:
I'd love a tinnitus cure as well, but the destructive interference
thing doesn't sound feasible. That technology works pretty well for
loud ambient noise (like the noise cancelling earmuffs), but the
problem with tinnitus is we hear those crickets in our head because we
can't actually hear that frequency anymore. The tiny hairs in the
cochlea that respond to those frequencies have been damaged or broken
off. It happens to the high frequencies (smaller, more fragile hairs)
first. Since the "noise" is phantom, there's nothing to cancel.
Pete Keillor
Joseph Gwinn
Pete Keillor <keill...@chartermi.net> wrote:
I'm not sure that one cannot at least in theory cancel a tinnitus tone (which I
get from time to time), based on some scientific articles on how hearing works.
There are reported cases where one can hear a tone coming from a sufferer's ear.
To make a long story short, the theory is that the ear achieves its sensitivity
and sharp tuning in frequency by implementing the acoustic equivalent to a bank
of superhet receivers.
Not that cancellation would be practical as a treatment.
Joe Gwinn
Larry Jaques
<clu...@lycos.com> scrawled the following:
I could go for something like that myself.
--
Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the ultimate.
-- Chuang-tzu
Larry Jaques
<s31924...@netscape.net> scrawled the following:
There is -nothing- on the market which works. Save your money.
My problem is that NSAIDs increase mine, so there's no chance of ever
being free from the sound. Having been hammered six ways from Sunday
in me yout, I always ache somewhere or another.
Wes
>> If only the freqency of my tinitus in my left ear could be fed back 180 out of phase and
>> at same amplitude.
>
>Me, too.
>
>As a youngster, I recall sitting in the parking lot of a local astronomical
>observatory and marveling at the complete absence of sound.
>
>I really miss that.
I would love to hear silence again. Maybe just a hint of a whispering breeze to know I'm
still alive.
Wes
Wes
>There ya go, folks. An announced need with no product to fill it.
>Who has contacts at a hearing aid company?
>
>I'm interested, I have the same problem.
I wonder where in my brain they would have to tap to find out the signal characteristics
of my tinitus? Damn, googling shows that mapping the brain for how it processes sound is
an active topic of research. Go Science!
After that either an ear piece or cochlear implant technology could provide the countering
sound signal fed by some sort of DSP type device.
I'm reading tinnitus takes many forms. I hear a sine wave in my left ear, frequency seems
constant, background noise masks it. Sometimes it goes away but that is because I'm
paying attention to something else.
The wiki excerpt:
Tinnitus can be perceived in one or both ears or in the head. It is usually described as a
ringing noise, but in some patients it takes the form of a high pitched whining, buzzing,
hissing, screaming, humming, tinging or whistling sound, or as ticking, clicking, roaring,
"crickets" or "tree frogs" or "locusts," tunes, songs, beeping, or even a pure steady tone
like heard in a hearing test.[5] It has also been described as a "wooshing" sound, as of
wind or waves.[6] Tinnitus can be intermittent or it can be continuous in which case it
can be the cause of great distress. In some individuals, the intensity of tinnitus can be
changed by shoulder, head, tongue, jaw, or eye movements.[7]
Anyone hear something other than a sine wave?
Wes
Pete Keillor
More like crickets. Doesn't bother me that much, although it's always
there. I tend to ignore it if not reading one of these posts or
actively thinking about it. Latest onset was through my stupidity,
and I think I've got it for life this time. Field shot with .450
Marlin. I was with my cousin about 200 yards from his house, missed a
pig that was farther than I thought. The folks back at the house
asked "What was that awful explosion?" I won't be hunting without
electronic earmuffs ever again.
Pete Keillor
sta...@prolynx.com
Mostly a constant high-pitched whine here, sometimes with a louder
clicking sound. No way to determine what triggers the clicks, though,
they just happen sometimes. Definitely a dropout in sensitivity at
higher frequencies from tests that I've had. Other frequencies are
better than average. Did some gallery shooting in my younger days
sans decent hearing protection, I'm sure that contributed along with
running a computer alongside high-speed card punches, readers and line
printers. Has become "louder" as I age, too.
Stan
Wes
>More like crickets. Doesn't bother me that much, although it's always
>there. I tend to ignore it if not reading one of these posts or
>actively thinking about it. Latest onset was through my stupidity,
>and I think I've got it for life this time. Field shot with .450
>Marlin. I was with my cousin about 200 yards from his house, missed a
>pig that was farther than I thought. The folks back at the house
>asked "What was that awful explosion?" I won't be hunting without
>electronic earmuffs ever again.
I had one foam ear plug fall out unnoticed on a chilly evening when I was putting a few
drain holes in a burn barrel with a little .380 pocket pistol. One noise pulse, likely
magnified by the curvature and my position relative to the burn barrel, and I got that
magic bb that wiped out a large portion of my hearing in one shot. It hurt enought that I
dropped to my knees. I knew instantly that I'd just got dinged.
I had excellent hearing up to that point even though I worked on the flight line around F4
Phantoms and worked in industry and was an avid shooter.
As to the .450 Marlin, sorta wish I had one. I have the 1985 Marlin in .45/70, I dislike
pushing a period cartridge when some unknowing heir might grab my ammo and maybe put it in
say uncles trap door. My moderate loading might be a blue pill in his gun. Had the .450
come out a short time sooner, I'd have that instead of my .45/70
I got to get some electronic muffs for next hunting season. I really don't want to touch
off a firearm in the field with out protection. I don't want the left ear to get worse
and I don't want the other ear to start up with ringing.
Hey, that causes me to ask a question. For those with tinitus in both ears is the ringing
in sync? It would be really annoying to have each ear slightly off of zero beat like two
propellers on a twin that were not synced.
Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller
Pete Keillor
The pure tone boys will have to answer that one. My crickets sing in
harmony. Matter of fact, I hadn't noticed it all day until reading
this thread.
Pete Keillor
Wes
>>Hey, that causes me to ask a question. For those with tinitus in both ears is the ringing
>>in sync? It would be really annoying to have each ear slightly off of zero beat like two
>>propellers on a twin that were not synced.
>>
>>Wes
>
>The pure tone boys will have to answer that one. My crickets sing in
>harmony. Matter of fact, I hadn't noticed it all day until reading
>this thread.
>
Sorry about that. I was out in my little machine room, wishing it was as warm inside as
it is outside (we have an early thaw) and while running my Bridgeport that is rather
silent compared to my Clausing lathe, I had my left ear change tone. Never had that
happen before. That was freaky. Nicer tone, lower frequency but I'm back to my normal
ringing now.
Metal content, I drilled and tapped my collet stop for a set screw on the BP when that
tone changed for a short time.
Wes
Wes
>Mostly a constant high-pitched whine here, sometimes with a louder
>clicking sound. No way to determine what triggers the clicks, though,
>they just happen sometimes. Definitely a dropout in sensitivity at
>higher frequencies from tests that I've had. Other frequencies are
>better than average. Did some gallery shooting in my younger days
>sans decent hearing protection, I'm sure that contributed along with
>running a computer alongside high-speed card punches, readers and line
>printers. Has become "louder" as I age, too.
So no sudden moment? I had a number of years where the servers in my office and the room
beyond were rather loud. I also had a high speed dot matrix printer back there. Something
like 1080 CPS iirc.
Wes
Larry Jaques
<clu...@lycos.com> scrawled the following:
>I had one foam ear plug fall out unnoticed on a chilly evening when I was putting a few
>drain holes in a burn barrel with a little .380 pocket pistol. One noise pulse, likely
>magnified by the curvature and my position relative to the burn barrel, and I got that
>magic bb that wiped out a large portion of my hearing in one shot. It hurt enought that I
>dropped to my knees. I knew instantly that I'd just got dinged.
How could you miss dropping an earplug?!? It sure sucks that you
did.
>I had excellent hearing up to that point even though I worked on the flight line around F4
>Phantoms and worked in industry and was an avid shooter.
>
>As to the .450 Marlin, sorta wish I had one. I have the 1985 Marlin in .45/70, I dislike
>pushing a period cartridge when some unknowing heir might grab my ammo and maybe put it in
>say uncles trap door. My moderate loading might be a blue pill in his gun. Had the .450
>come out a short time sooner, I'd have that instead of my .45/70
>I got to get some electronic muffs for next hunting season. I really don't want to touch
>off a firearm in the field with out protection. I don't want the left ear to get worse
>and I don't want the other ear to start up with ringing.
The cheapies from HF work just fine. $15 on sale. Instant on, but
recovery time (amplified ambient noise returing) takes about 2
seconds, longer than I'd like. They worked just peachy at the local
range's machine gun shoot last year.
>Hey, that causes me to ask a question. For those with tinitus in both ears is the ringing
>in sync? It would be really annoying to have each ear slightly off of zero beat like two
>propellers on a twin that were not synced.
I often notice that 1 ear is ringing. Less often, both act up at the
same time. I thank Crom that they're synchronous. I'd hate to always
want to be doing a carb sync on them. Egad, what agony that'd be!
--
There is no such thing as limits to growth, because there are no limits
to the human capacity for intelligence, imagination, and wonder.
--Ronald Reagan
Steve B
close up. Mid vision and far off a little blurry, but toleable. Have to
drive to Vegas tomorrow and back in the same day, so that will be a test.
Will take alternate glasses in case. Still haven't welded, as everything is
soaked around here. Can't wait. Get the no lines Monday.
Steve
RBnDFW
Bifocal contacts?
As in you non-dominant eye gets a lens about a point lower in magnification?
Or something new?
nob...@nowhere.org
No, it's not in synch all of the time. What I've been most irritated
with is the octive(s) change as I get older. You get used to one note
and then it'll morph into two. Seems as soon as I get accustomed to
it, it changes again. It's now two different octives in my right ear
and three in my left. I don't get the chirping though.
My tinitus drives my wife crazy. The combined sounds I hear are
exactly the same as when our am radio is tuned just off of the
stations optimum setting. I can't hear it because I always hear that
noise. She'll stomp over with a harumph and an eye roll to tune it in
better when I mess up <g>. But, she does understand what tinitus is
and why it drives people crazy.
Newb
Wes
>On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:32:49 -0500, the infamous Wes
><clu...@lycos.com> scrawled the following:
>
>>I had one foam ear plug fall out unnoticed on a chilly evening when I was putting a few
>>drain holes in a burn barrel with a little .380 pocket pistol. One noise pulse, likely
>>magnified by the curvature and my position relative to the burn barrel, and I got that
>>magic bb that wiped out a large portion of my hearing in one shot. It hurt enought that I
>>dropped to my knees. I knew instantly that I'd just got dinged.
>
>How could you miss dropping an earplug?!? It sure sucks that you
>did.
It was dead quiet outside. Foam ear plugs tend to work their way out of my ears and it
was cold enough that the plugs lost their resiliency which agravated the issue.
I did notice the absence milliseconds after I made a really loud noise :(
Wes
sta...@prolynx.com
This was previous to any "servers" ever existing. Washing machine-
sized disk drives whining away, tape drives buzzing back and forth and
the high-speed punch card equipment. The readers had a significant
air and vacuum component and sounded like jets winding up. Probably
about 1000 cards a minute, they'd read a tray in no time. The air
jets separated the cards, the vacuum pulled them against the drive
wheel for reading. Probably several hundred pounds of prime
electromechanical engineering there. Then there was always the A/C
rumbling away. I'd always had some ringing but it was faint, but not
after all that.
Stan
Wes
>This was previous to any "servers" ever existing. Washing machine-
>sized disk drives whining away, tape drives buzzing back and forth and
>the high-speed punch card equipment. The readers had a significant
>air and vacuum component and sounded like jets winding up. Probably
>about 1000 cards a minute, they'd read a tray in no time. The air
>jets separated the cards, the vacuum pulled them against the drive
>wheel for reading. Probably several hundred pounds of prime
>electromechanical engineering there. Then there was always the A/C
>rumbling away. I'd always had some ringing but it was faint, but not
>after all that.
I only saw that kind of hardware when doing a tour of a college I hoped to have been able
to attend if the finances worked out. I'm thinking 1974 at Rose Hullman in Indiana. The
IT departments line printer printed so fast that the paper was shooting about 2 feet in
the air before curving and returning to terra firma.
Sadly, I couldn't swing the bucks to attend. Instead, I joined the Marines. I did get an
education that has been useful to me. I always wonder what might have been though. No
real regrets though.
Wes
Steve B
"RBnDFW" <burkh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't really understand it all. I just know it works! I can now read
fine print at six inches, and it stays in focus out to about 25 feet on most
stuff. After that, it gets a little fuzzy out to about 150', then the big
letters get hard to read. But I drove to and back from Vegas today, 185
miles, and the distance wasn't blurry enough to make a difference at all.
At night, though, the oncoming lights are a bit brighter.
I wish I would have known about these. I have been wearing bifocals now for
about ten years. I can't wait to try them out welding. It's been wet
around here for weeks, and cold, and I've been feeling puny, and doctor said
to take it easy or I might die.
But I'm feeling up to it now. Will report in.
See your eye doctor.
Air Optix Multifocal is what they are called. They last a month. $158 out
of pocket for six months worth of two different lenses, or twelve lenses. I
thought they would last a lot longer, as I have had contacts, and don't tend
to wear them often. Now I wear them all day, and in the evening take them
off and wear my old bifocals that are now going to be replaced by some more
powerful ones Monday.
I still habitually nod my head up and down with the contacts on, and haven't
gotten used to the fact that I can look sideways now without turning my
head. At the computer, I still lean my head back until I realize I'm
doing it, a habit like biting fingernails. And then when I get my new
glasses, I'm probably going to be really confused switching between the two.
I love 'em.
Steve
Steve B
<nob...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:32:49 -0500, Wes <clu...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>>Pete Keillor <keill...@chartermi.net> wrote:
>>
>>>More like crickets. Doesn't bother me that much, although it's always
>>>there.
I have been following the thread, and will now chime in. I have read some
very good descriptions of transient sounds I can now define as definite
tinnitus. I wear hearing aids, and have for about six years now.
Before that, it was what, huh? Huh? Huh? I must have been a real drag.
My wife gave me an appointment for my birthday one year. Hah, I said.
I really don't get constant ringing. Just a ooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
sound that is like an electronic tone they give you during a hearing test,
starts out lower, and like someone is turning a potentiometer, it curves
right up until it disappears.
I really appreciate the cricket comments. I was getting that for a spell,
and would come on when I jiggled my head. Sounded like someone shaking some
change in their hand. I just though it was probably a couple of screws
loose.
Apparently, I don't have it as bad as some people here. When I take out my
hearing aids to go to bed, I don't hear much at all. And the other is
transitory.
I take about 450 doses of medicines each month, so some of it might be
coming from that.
Ya think?
Steve
Steve B
Steve
mike
> IT departments line printer printed so fast that the paper was
>shooting about 2 feet in the air before curving and returning to terra firma.
>
Thats why UNIX had the charming error code
LP2 ON FIRE
for when the line printer #2 reported back what it could through
the centronics port that something wasn't right, and should be
looked at, pronto.
**
mike
**
Ned Simmons
>
>Sadly, I couldn't swing the bucks to attend. Instead, I joined the Marines. I did get an
>education that has been useful to me. I always wonder what might have been though.
Isn't it obvious? You would have moved to Madison for grad school and
become a liberal. <g>
--
Ned Simmons
GeoLane at PTD dot NET
>> Bifocal contacts?
>> As in you non-dominant eye gets a lens about a point lower in
>> magnification? Or something new?
>
>I don't really understand it all. I just know it works!
I'm aware of two different types of bifocal contact lenses. I"ve had
both in the past. The first type had two concentric lenses so you
were always getting a near and far image conveyed, and the brain
sorted it out as a clear image no matter what distance you're lookin
at. As my eyes worsened, I needed the second type. In the latter,
the lens is weighted so that the near vision is in a sector at the
bottom of the lens, just like bifocal glasses. The weighted lenses
had a little cutout in the periphery to help keep them from rotating.
RWL
Wes
Rose Hulman was an all male engineering school at the time, not a liberal indoctrination
center.
Are you refering to University of Wisconsin - Madison, the midwest version of
USC-Berserkley?
Wes
Ned Simmons
That's what I meant, Wes. Even though I got my ME degree at one of
those liberal indoctrination centers in Boston, I wasn't tyrying to
make a joke at your expense. On the contrary, you strike me as someone
who would have made the most of an engineering degree.
--
Ned Simmons
Wes
I didn't think you were funning me. At to the latter, as the years go by, I think
pursuing a ME degree right after my hitch in the USMC would have been a good plan. After
all, I had the GI Bill.
Thanks,
Wes