Closure.....

[Gunner Asch]

I lost my Sandy dog, Thursday afternoon.

She was my go everywhere dog. At my side 24-7. Age, 5 yrs. She
learned to walk beside me without a leash on her own and would lay
next to the machine I was working on in clients shops with no bother.

A friend of mine had stopped out front of the house and we chatted for
a while and I looked down..Sandy was under the truck in the shade in
front of the rear wheels. So I told her to go back into the yard..and
she did. A few moments later..she was back and again I told her to go
back into the yard. 5 minutes later, we said our goodbyes and I turned
as he started to drive away and I heard a "YipeCrunch" and I spun
around to see Sandy laying in the street, her head misshapened and
gallons of blood running out of her mouth. I dropped to my knees
beside her..felt her heart beating at 200 miles an hour as it
desperately tried to get enough blood..and then it stopped. She was
dead instantly..with a 3' wide circle of
blood....heavy..thick...arterial blood pouring out of her mouth..then
it stopped..nothing left to bleed out. My roommate Ryan had been
pressure washing a vehicle..so I picked Sandy up..and carried her to
the yard and had him pressure wash the thick pool of blood off the
street. My buddy was standing there next to his truck.... in
shock...green as a blade of grass..gasping. I went to him and held
him..told him it wasnt his fault....she simply died as a result of not
following orders...and loving me too much.

It should be noted..that my buddy was in full uniform...he is the
local dog catcher..and had run over my Sandy's head and neck with the
2 ton Animal Control truck. Somewhat ironic eh?

I buried her under my bedroom window, facing my side of the bed, where
she has spent every night of her life..beside me as I sleep.

https://picasaweb.google.com/.../NewPupsAugust2013

Her legacy. We lost 4 of them to parvo just as they were ready to be
adopted out, fast and nasty. 3 went to good homes.
She has had 2 prior litters...so her legacy will continue. All of her
pups are greatly loved and are smart..smart dogs and companions to
their owners.

https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/PetPics#5429066056925389154

I talked to her last night..and she will be waiting for me when its my
time to cross over. It will be many many years..but she was always
good about waiting for me. And now..she can wait where she wants.

Gunner

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that "special" is a polite euphemism for;
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[Rudy Canoza]

On 10/26/2013 7:30 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> I lost my Sandy dog, Thursday afternoon.

That's a shame.

> She was my go everywhere dog. At my side 24-7.

Even when you drove to Long Beach? For work? Really?

> Age, 5 yrs. She
> learned to walk beside me without a leash on her own and would lay

Lie

> next to the machine I was working on in clients

Clients'

> shops with no bother.
>
> A friend of mine had stopped out front of the house and we chatted for
> a while and I looked down..Sandy was under the truck in the shade in
> front of the rear wheels. So I told her to go back into the yard..and
> she did. A few moments later..she was back and again I told her to go
> back into the yard. 5 minutes later, we said our goodbyes and I turned
> as he started to drive away and I heard a "YipeCrunch"

You stupid fuckwit. You wasted a perfectly good dog, due to your sloppy
inattention. Pity about the dog, but you're a fuckwit.

[Gunner Asch]

On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 20:36:29 -0700, Rudy Canoza
<LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote:

>On 10/26/2013 7:30 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>> I lost my Sandy dog, Thursday afternoon.
>
>That's a shame.
>
>
>> She was my go everywhere dog. At my side 24-7.
>
>Even when you drove to Long Beach? For work? Really?

She went with me everywhere. Clients didnt object to her.

>
>
>> Age, 5 yrs. She
>> learned to walk beside me without a leash on her own and would lay
>
>Lie
>
>
>> next to the machine I was working on in clients
>
>Clients'

Yes?

>
>
>> shops with no bother.
>>
>> A friend of mine had stopped out front of the house and we chatted for
>> a while and I looked down..Sandy was under the truck in the shade in
>> front of the rear wheels. So I told her to go back into the yard..and
>> she did. A few moments later..she was back and again I told her to go
>> back into the yard. 5 minutes later, we said our goodbyes and I turned
>> as he started to drive away and I heard a "YipeCrunch"
>
>You stupid fuckwit. You wasted a perfectly good dog, due to your sloppy
>inattention. Pity about the dog, but you're a fuckwit.

<plink>

[Gunner Asch]

Rudy Fruity wrote:

>>
>>You stupid fuckwit. You wasted a perfectly good dog, due to your sloppy
>>inattention.

><plink>

Oh..btw...I agree with you 100% on that. I was tired, I was distracted
and I have no excuse.

But you still go into the permanent, no time limit, low life trash
section of my killfile.

Gunner

[GOP_Decline_and_Fall]

On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 19:30:26 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Sorry to hear that...a ghastly thing to happen.

Your love for your animals shines through your posts as a redeeming
feature,whatever your politics.

Don't let that scarcely human nym shifting troll upset you more.

[rbowman]

Gunner Asch wrote:

> I lost my Sandy dog, Thursday afternoon

I am sorry to hear that. My condolences.

[PrecisionmachinisT]

"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" <D...@null.net> wrote in message
news:bm6p69h9rb0084keu...@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 19:30:26 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I lost my Sandy dog, Thursday afternoon.
>>
>>She was my go everywhere dog. At my side 24-7. Age, 5 yrs. She
>>learned to walk beside me without a leash on her own and would lay
>>next to the machine I was working on in clients shops with no bother.
>>
>>A friend of mine had stopped out front of the house and we chatted for
>>a while and I looked down..Sandy was under the truck in the shade in
>>front of the rear wheels. So I told her to go back into the yard..and
>>she did. A few moments later..she was back and again I told her to go
>>back into the yard. 5 minutes later, we said our goodbyes and I turned
>>as he started to drive away and I heard a "YipeCrunch" and I spun
>>around to see Sandy laying in the street, her head misshapened and
>>gallons of blood running out of her mouth. I dropped to my knees
>>beside her..felt her heart beating at 200 miles an hour as it
>>desperately tried to get enough blood..and then it stopped. She was
>>dead instantly..with a 3' wide circle of

Too bad he didn't run over YOUR fucking worthless ass instead.

>>blood....heavy..thick...arterial blood pouring out of her mouth..then
>>it stopped..nothing left to bleed out. My roommate Ryan had been
>>pressure washing a vehicle..so I picked Sandy up..and carried her to
>>the yard and had him pressure wash the thick pool of blood off the
>>street. My buddy was standing there next to his truck.... in
>>shock...green as a blade of grass..gasping. I went to him and held
>>him..told him it wasnt his fault....she simply died as a result of not
>>following orders...and loving me too much.

Only a moron would blame the dog.

>>It should be noted..that my buddy was in full uniform...he is the
>>local dog catcher..and had run over my Sandy's head and neck with the
>>2 ton Animal Control truck. Somewhat ironic eh?
>>
>>I buried her under my bedroom window, facing my side of the bed, where
>>she has spent every night of her life..beside me as I sleep.
>>
>>https://picasaweb.google.com/.../NewPupsAugust2013
>>
>>Her legacy. We lost 4 of them to parvo just as they were ready to be

No you lost them because you left them to waller around in dog shit and at
the same time failed to vaccinate them AS SOON as they were weaned, probably
because buying cigarettes took top priority in your budget.

>>adopted out, fast and nasty. 3 went to good homes.
>>She has had 2 prior litters...so her legacy will continue. All of her
>>pups are greatly loved and are smart..smart dogs and companions to
>>their owners.
>>
>>https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/PetPics#5429066056925389154
>>
>>I talked to her last night..and she will be waiting for me when its my
>>time to cross over. It will be many many years..

With any luck, it'll be MUCH sooner.

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 00:06:05 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:

>Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>> I lost my Sandy dog, Thursday afternoon
>
>I am sorry to hear that. My condolences.

Thanks.

Its damned hard to get used to her not being here. At the
computer..she always laid to my left..and Id reach down while reading
and scratch her head. I caught myself doing that yesterday about a
dozen times...and she wasnt there.

Ive got about a dozen dogs here, what with 3 families sharing the
house..and each and every one of them came to me yesterday and made a
special point to hang with me. One of her daughters..my sons dog..has
taken her place to my left. They arent stupid..they read emotions
like a book with large print. I had several good cries, Im not
ashamed to admit it. Shrug..and having a dog or three around me giving
me comfort helps. They are very sensitive critters and most of them
like me a lot. Im the Treat Guy...lol.

Sandys brother Woody..misses her too. They often would go with me as a
pair in the cool time when I didnt have to worry about them getting
hot in the truck. He is a bit..off...and Ive been giving him love. I
had him with me when I put her in the ground..but dogs are
smart...they know when the body is cold...they are gone. He sniffed
her a couple times..gave me an odd look and went off and fed himself.

Its been pretty fucked up around here..having to empty the house for
fumigation, deal with 3 little children and their juvinile parents
(dont ask)..the other couple (both losers) and my own shit..and not
having a service call in 2 weeks, no cash...and then having my
constant companion die in front of me in such a stupid stupid fucking
way...

Im glad Im wrapped tightly..even though some of its getting a
bit..frayed.

Thanks man.

[Steve from Colorado]

I feel your pain. Sandy sounds like my daughter's Blue Heeler, Zoa,
whom I take care of while she is in Thailand. Zoa and I have become best
friends, as you and Sandy had become. I would be devastated if Zoa's
life were cut short in such a horrific way. Please accept my condolences.

[jon_banquer]

This is the second dog that has died a horrible death under his watch. The first got hung on a fence. Mark Wieber isn't someone who is responsible enough to take care of a dog.

[Gunner Asch]

Thanks Steve. Dog people know what Im going through. And I feel the
pain of others when they lose their friends as well.

I never..never adopt out a pup to a family who wants a "pet". I only
adopt them out to those who want a companion. And I have a waiting
list. The heelers, Aussie Shepherds, German Shepherds and other
similar breeds are not..not mindless fuzzballs like lapdogs. They are
smart, know their part of the partnership and make sure you know
yours. Sandy reminded me more than once to lock the truck when I
parked it at the end of the day. They are that smart. Hell..she
warned me twice that I can remember when I started to get out and left
the keys in the ignition at the end of the day. She barked at me and
kept looking at the steering wheel until I got wise and looked..and
yup..Id left the keys in the ignition. Pulled em out..and she beat me
out of the truck.
We put a lot of miles together..slept together more than the wife and
I did in the last 5 yrs. My partner.

[Stormin Mormon]

On 10/27/2013 2:20 AM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:

>>> as he started to drive away and I heard a "YipeCrunch" and I spun
>>> around to see Sandy laying in the street, her head misshapened and
>>> gallons of blood running out of her mouth. I dropped to my knees
>>> beside her..felt her heart beating at 200 miles an hour as it
>>> desperately tried to get enough blood..and then it stopped. She was
>>> dead instantly..with a 3' wide circle of
>
> Too bad he didn't run over YOUR fucking worthless ass instead.
>

>>> It should be noted..that my buddy was in full uniform...he is the
>>> local dog catcher..and had run over my Sandy's head and neck with the
>>> 2 ton Animal Control truck. Somewhat ironic eh?
>>>

Do I remember that an earlier dog died a death of
strangulation, hanging over a fence, in a leash and
collar? Seems to be a bad trend at that address.

--
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

[misanthrope]

I don't have a dog, but I've been volunteering at a local dog shelter
for several months, and I feel your loss. Do you mind if I ask what
kind of dog she was? She looks beautiful from your pictures.

[Steve W.]

Mark,
I know how you feel. It totally SUCKS to lose a loyal friend. Nothing
ever replaces that loss either. Take heart that the pain was brief. She
will be waiting at the bridge when you arrive.


Don't let the asses on here get to you. They are typical liberal trash
following the leaderships motto "Never let a tragedy go to waste"

--
Steve W.

[jon_banquer]

On Sunday, October 27, 2013 5:40:03 AM UTC-7, Stormin Mormon wrote:

> Do I remember that an earlier dog died a death of
>
> strangulation, hanging over a fence, in a leash and
>
> collar? Seems to be a bad trend at that address.
>
>
>
> --
>
> .
>
> Christopher A. Young
>
> Learn about Jesus
>
> www.lds.org
>
> .

You remember right.

[technomaNge]

On 10/27/2013 07:40 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

If karma exists, Prcisionmasocist, janqueer, and Storming Moron will
all be reborn as pups in Gunner's care.

If he is as bad as they claim, they will get what they deserve.


Nah, since he is not, their lives would be too good for them.


technomaNge
--

[jon_banquer]

I know I'm doing my job when I piss off a card carrying member of Wieber's clique of idiots by telling the truth.

[Tom Gardner]

On 10/26/2013 10:30 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> I lost my Sandy dog, Thursday afternoon.

As soon as I saw you had posted this after I read your e-mail, I could
have told you who would say what...and I was right. You shouldn't have
posted this to the joy of some truly evil people. Exactly the evil
people I expected.

[Tom Gardner]

Not just "libtard trash" but they are evil and prove it daily.

[whoyakidding's ghost]

On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:04:46 -0500, technomaNge <u...@ftc.gov> wrote:


>If karma exists, Prcisionmasocist, janqueer, and Storming Moron will
>all be reborn as pups in Gunner's care.
>
>If he is as bad as they claim, they will get what they deserve.

Gunner handles the responsibilities of pet ownership the same way he
does everything else: incompetently. Obviously he will never put the
cost of vet care, fences, etc. ahead of buying useless crap or
indulging in stupid vices. A guy who has time to burn bragging on his
sailboats ought to be able to manage vaccinations, which he could pay
for out of his snack budget. A guy who time to burn posting pictures
of crap he's hauled home ought to be able to neuter his pets so that
the population doesn't get out of control. But he does none of those
things and the simple truth is that in a perfect world he wouldn't be
allowed to own animals, period. But karma is already getting HIM. Not
the way most people think of karma, but in the way that ignorant
assholes tend to live miserable lives. It's too bad that one of his
vices is dragging innocent animals into his shit vortex.

[PrecisionmachinisT]

"whoyakidding's ghost" <whoyak...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:neeq695squ8i81v7e...@4ax.com...

Gunner has no friends; the dog catcher was only there because of repeated
nuisance calls involving his dogs.

[Jeff M]

Even incompetent and irresponsible pet owners often love their pets as
much as anyone else loves theirs, and feel their loss as painfully.

It's just too bad that, despite repeatedly going off-property, the dog
was allowed to get out into the street that final time.

--
“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.” - John Kenneth Galbraith

[Jon Elson]

Gunner Asch wrote:


> It should be noted..that my buddy was in full uniform...he is the
> local dog catcher..and had run over my Sandy's head and neck with the
> 2 ton Animal Control truck. Somewhat ironic eh?
>

Man, that is SOME KIND of ironic, just about bends the
ironic meter, for sure! So sorry about your loss, really
ghastly way to go!

Jon

[jon_banquer]

Faced with the facts of how irresponsible Mark Wieber is, when it comes to his obligations as a pet owner, all a Mark Wieber clique of idiot member like Tom Gardner can do is lie. No one in this thread has shown any joy at all over what we have come to expect from an irresponsible asshole like Mark Wieber. What has been expressed is disgust and sadness for yet another dog killed by Mark Wieber's irresponsibly.

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 01:49:22 -0500, misanthrope <m...@privacy.net>
wrote:

She, like many of the dogs we have here...was a cross between Golden
Retriever and Australian Shepherd. Its a marvelous hybrid with
intelligence, and a somewhat smaller package than a full Golden. They
tend to be less person oriented..IE they don't always pick a single
master..these tend to be more family oriented

Grandfather was a big and very smart Golden, Grandma is a incredibly
smart Aussie. Some of the pups will look Aussie, some will have the
heads of Goldens. Woodie is the alpha male..and he has a big Golden
head with tri color merle aussie coat. My Sandy was golden retriever
yellow/white..with a pure streak of Aussie. A very one person dog,
much like Border Collies etc. Thats something we tried not to breed
too strongly into the hybrids. They are supposed to be family dogs
with a prefered owner. The Aussie side helps with that. Companion
animals need to be able to fix on that one person..their owner..but
like everyone around with the heart of a Golden (and the brains)

With the exception of Sasha (German Shepherd) and Princess
(Unknown)...they are all aussies or hybrids. We do Aussie rescue

Look over the photos

https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/PetPics#

Sasha and Princess have been spayed and Im going to shut off the
bloodline this fall...no more pups. No time, no money and we have far
too many to rescue in the world. Ive never had a problem finding
homes for them...Ive got a waiting list with at least 15 names on it
for my hybrid pups...but I think we are done breeding them. Over the
years....we have hand raised and adopted out about 90 pups..all to
individuals we vetted carefully. I keep the option of physically
removing a pup from a home/circumstance if I dont feel to be right.

Over the past 15 yrs...Ive gotten (2) back. Both went to good homes
where they are part of the family. One was a guy who became a brain
burned drug addict living in a 19' travel trailer with boarded up
windows and what turned out to be 5" of shit on the floor...he never
let her out and made her live in her own shit. I literally kidnapped
her after I got all the details..and took a series of photos of his
"place". She spent 5 months with me to resocialize and then was
adopted by a very nice couple where she is now aging comfortably. I
think she should be around 9 or so if I recall properly. I got her
back before she was fully a year old. The other was due to the death
of the owner in a motorcyle accident and the next of kin didnt know
what to do with the dog. He went to great home ..someone on my
adoption list right from his home..straight to his new one.

Oh..make that (3) Yankee was given to a gal who never owned a dog in
her life. She and her husband became bartenders...and while living in
a very..very nice home in Anaheim, California...were never home and
spent little time with her. They took her to obedience classes, had
her spayed, spent a lot of money on her...but didnt spend time with
her. So after talking with them..they gave her back to me when she
was almost 3. She came from a 1 dog household into a pack..and didnt
do well when she tried to be top dog. No experience with other
dogs...she didnt know the rituals and whatnot. So she now is the
Queen of the Bed...spends most of her time on my bed and when Im
home...moves around with me. But she would be a good dog for a person
with no other dogs.

All of mine are around cats all the time and have learned to leave
each other alone. Sasha..the big german shepherd...loves cats and they
love her..and looking over into the living room..she is sleeping in
Her Chair..with 2 cats visible on top of her as I type. All look quite
comfy.

https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/NewPupsAugust2013

https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Newpups

https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/NewPupsApril

My roommates dogs...Annie Cannon and Snowball came as rescues as
pups.....both are somewhat deaf and dont see all that well...we
suspect they were inbred from a puppy mill somewhere. Ive worked
with them both and they do hand sign commands and foot stomps (they
can feel the vibrations) and are very smart as well..considering they
have some handicaps to deal with...they do just fine in the pack.
Woodie got to Annie before she was spayed and gave us a litter of
3..only one survived...and thats Opal..a small tri color ball of
dynamite with an incredible sense of Fun and very very smart. She
partnered with Dottie, the roommate and are inseperable, though at the
moment..she is sleeping under my desk, her head on my foot.

I tend to be the Alpha Male here for some reason..maybe its because Im
the Treat Guy....laugh. Everybody comes visit me when I wake up or get
home.

Princess ..the odd one...came to me one morning...I found her tied to
my front porch with a note in spanish..."we are moving back to Mexico
and we cant take her with us, but we know you love dogs so we are
giving her to you"...what they didnt mention was she had a belly full
of pups. Breed unknown, but they all went to good homes and are doing
well. Then I had her spayed.

She is "wierd". I suspect she wasnt the sharpest pup in the litter and
coming from Mexicans..sigh..dont think she was treated very well or
allowed into the house..more than likely kept on a chain outside
somewhere. She gets along fine with everyone..cats love her, she
loves them..but if you stand up and move in her direction..she splits.
Sit down..call her..and she will come over and put her head in your
lap for loving. So it was obvious that she had been mistreated and
badly at one time in her life. Shrug. When I get home from
LA..however she is the first one in the pack when I open the door.
Gets lots of love and attention..then goes right back to being spooky
around moving people. She isnt so bad with children though..so its a
win there. Never barked, and only growls in play..some of the other
dogs tease her and she will mock growl and then roll over on her back
and nip at their feet when they pounce and a good time is had by all.

These dogs are really good companions..if you find one that fixes on
you..take him/her home. You will both enjoy it. Hell..take any dog
home..it will be good for you both.

[jon_banquer]

This isn't a political issue despite your pathetic attempts to make it into one.

The issue is Mark Wieber is an irresponsible pet owner and his irresponsibility has now resulted in the death of two of the dogs in his care.

[jon_banquer]

Trying to take the irresponsibility shown by Mark Wieber that have now resulted in the death of two of the dogs in his care and make it into a political issue is what's evil.

[Gunner Asch]

Ayup. Opie. He died as a result of standing up next to a fence..and
getting his choker collar hooked after we had gone to bed.

https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/PetPics#5219326818697284882

As a result...no more chokers on any of our dogs..and we keep far
closer eyes on our buddies. He was the root of many of our pups since
2005. He did something stupid..had bad luck...the neighbors dog was
in heat...and his balls killed him. While they are very very smart
dogs..they are..at the core..still dogs. I hold myself responsible
for his death..and I do every day.

Btw...I strongly..highly recommend this collar maker

http://stores.ebay.com/Carter-Handmade-Pet-Supplies?_rdc=1

I buy all my collars, leashes etc etc through him and we are both
Aussie lovers (Grin) Very very good hardware..best Ive ever found,
and his workmanship is Excellent. I give him the highest
recommendations for any of his work. And he and his family makes it
all at their home (in Georgia as I recall).
Every dog here wears his gear and every dog that gets adopted out gets
one and most go with his leashes as well.

Btw..we charge Zero money to adopt out a dog. Not a penny. But we
hold the option to take the dog back if you dont treat it like a
companion. No chaining it up in the back yard and forgetting about
it. Not a fat chance in hell.

A bad trend? Son..we have run at least 100 dogs through here in the
past 15 or more years. Having (2) die by mischance is a pretty damned
good record all things considered. Unfortunately they were both
special to me. Its never some beaten or abused rescue that
dies...they all heal up and go to good homes. No...damnit..its my
loved ones.

But I still do it. Someone has to look out for them. Its a hard and
bitter world out there...someone has to do it for them.

Gunner

--
"Their mommies tell them they're special, Liberals just don't understand
that "special" is a polite euphemism for;
*window licker on the short bus*"

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:09:49 -0400, "Steve W." <csr...@NOTyahoo.com>
wrote:

Thanks Steve. Very nicely put.

And of course Ive put them into the kill file. There is "mutual
combat" and then there is trying to torture a hurt animal.

So they will get what they deserve..and not before too much longer.
And let them enjoy it. <VBG>

Ayup...while Im not looking to reach that bridge anytime soon...it
will be nice to have my loved ones waiting for me when its time to
cross it.

Gunner

--
"Their mommies tell them they're special, Liberals just don't understand
that "special" is a polite euphemism for;
*window licker on the short bus*"

[gonjah]

Sorry to hear that. My dog is my absolute best friend. She's 14 now and
I'm thankful for everyday she's healthy and happy.

[PrecisionmachinisT]

"jon_banquer" <jonba...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2a38897f-6bbf-4526...@googlegroups.com...

No, it's six...

--you're forgetting about the four pups that died after contracting
Parvovirus, something which is entirely preventable given a proper
vaccination schedule.

[gonjah]

That phrase was first coined by a well known conservative:

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/717228-never-let-a-good-crisis-go-to-waste

Slight variation but the meaning is the same.

I'm not knocking Churchill.

[Steve from Colorado]

Wasn't that Canopyco moving into a new residence and immediately letting
all the dogs in the hood know who was the new alpha male?

[Tom Gardner]

All these dickheads spewing their usual shit most likely aren't allowed
to have pets by court order, even vermin avoid their homes because of
past episodes with torturing animals. Most sociopaths start out like
them...no surprise there!

[jon_banquer]

How soon before Tom Gardner brings up "wife beating" to try and move the focus off of where it should be?

The focus should squarely be on:

Why do dogs under Mark Wieber's care keep dying?

[RogerN]

"GOP_Decline_and_Fall" wrote in message
news:bm6p69h9rb0084keu...@4ax.com...

>On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 19:30:26 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
<snip>
>
>Sorry to hear that...a ghastly thing to happen.
>
>Your love for your animals shines through your posts as a redeeming
>feature,whatever your politics.
>
>Don't let that scarcely human nym shifting troll upset you more.

The fact that you put political differences aside and reply in kindness
shows you're a much better person than others that post hate.

PrecisionmachinisT may have a great job working for Boeing but I'd bet if
Jon Banquer was given the same opportunity, I'd bet he could machine circles
around PrecisionmachinisT. Just my guess based on Jon's desire to keep up
with the latest and greatest and machining excellence and offers to help
others learn.

RogerN

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

jon_banquer <jonba...@yahoo.com> fired this volley in news:39d61bbc-
048f-47ba-b65...@googlegroups.com:

> Why do dogs under Mark Wieber's care keep dying?

Same sorts of reasons they die around here:

My boss's favorite pooch decided to chase the UPS truck one day -- from
the front of the duallies while it was going 20mph.

Two of a neighbor's got mauled by a large cat of some kind WHILE they
were in their pen. We have full-size cougars here. And 'true' black
panthers. And bear.

One of mine died from a water moccassin bite.

Koyotes in packs attack them and leave them with clipped hamstrings to
die in the woods.

They get hung up and choked on runner lines getting wrapped around brush
or trees (or on the top spikeys of a hurricane fence).

Sometimes they get poisoned by nasty folks who want to punish their
owners.

They are _constantly_ getting in trouble, unless you lock 'em up inside
your house. Then they eat aluminum baking trays or broken glass from the
trash til they're bleeding from every hole, or they gag down three feet
of roll-rags they dug out of your CLOSED garbage can, because you used
them to clean up a grease spill, and it tasted good until they died from
an intestinal blockage.

Dogs are nice. They aren't real smart, being driven almost entirely by
instinct -- the 'beast' inside. If they're not attended CONSTANTLY, they
die as often from their actions as they do old age.

Lloyd

[jon_banquer]

We have responsibilities as pet owners. Even if we live up to our responsibilities shit happens as you correctly point out. In Mark Wieber's case it's not just one isolated case of shit happening. It's many a cases of dogs dying under his watch.

[whoyakidding's ghost]

On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 14:12:53 -0500, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
wrote:

>On 10/27/2013 11:14 AM, whoyakidding's ghost wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:04:46 -0500, technomaNge <u...@ftc.gov> wrote:
>>
>>> If karma exists, Prcisionmasocist, janqueer, and Storming Moron will
>>> all be reborn as pups in Gunner's care.
>>>
>>> If he is as bad as they claim, they will get what they deserve.
>>
>> Gunner handles the responsibilities of pet ownership the same way he
>> does everything else: incompetently. Obviously he will never put the
>> cost of vet care, fences, etc. ahead of buying useless crap or
>> indulging in stupid vices. A guy who has time to burn bragging on his
>> sailboats ought to be able to manage vaccinations, which he could pay
>> for out of his snack budget. A guy who time to burn posting pictures
>> of crap he's hauled home ought to be able to neuter his pets so that
>> the population doesn't get out of control. But he does none of those
>> things and the simple truth is that in a perfect world he wouldn't be
>> allowed to own animals, period. But karma is already getting HIM. Not
>> the way most people think of karma, but in the way that ignorant
>> assholes tend to live miserable lives. It's too bad that one of his
>> vices is dragging innocent animals into his shit vortex.
>
>Even incompetent and irresponsible pet owners often love their pets as
>much as anyone else loves theirs, and feel their loss as painfully.

His definition of love is a lot different than that of normal people.
Idiots who say they love their pets but let them die due to lack of
vaccinations have a screw loose. He comes here for a pity party, and
he gets it.

>It's just too bad that, despite repeatedly going off-property, the dog
>was allowed to get out into the street that final time.

He'll never learn. Typical trailer trash behavior. Now he says he's
had 100 dogs in the last 5 years. Why does somebody with no money
breed dogs he can't afford to properly care for? Disgusting.

[Jeff M]

If so, yep. a "hundred dogs" though? Unless he's running some sort
puppy mill, which is something I suppose he might do, it's as hard to
believe as most of his other claims.

I work where there are a lot of pretty impoverished people and families.
I have a slightly different take on such people owning dogs. First,
sometimes a dog is kind of necessary in rural areas, e.g., to keep
predators out of the chicken coop, to aid with the seasonal hunting that
supplements some family food budgets, or to serve as a watch dog where
deputies are not plentiful. Second, some of these people are elderly,
alone, isolated and in real need of a companion and something to love
that loves them back. Third, life as a stray or in a shelter is usually
short, nasty and cruel, so these animals may well be better off living
with someone that cares about them and gives them food, shelter and
love, even if they can't afford to give them regular, or any, vet visits.

Now, as for Gunner, he claims to have many important friends and adoring
admirers, so he wouldn't really need companionship. He also styles
himself as such a bad-ass that he doesn't need any protecting either.
So who knows? Maybe he is running a puppy mill in some harebrained
scheme to get money without really working? Personally, though, I think
the claim is just more of Gunner's pointless BS, and the one dog was
just a stray that didn't draw a particularly long straw, but not a short
one, either.




--
�The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in

moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification

for selfishness.� - John Kenneth Galbraith

[whoyakidding's ghost]

On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 20:09:57 -0500, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>

Two litters, 12 puppies per year = 60 puppies in five years. Easily
possible for a shit for brains that needs some fleeting pleasure in
his life. Not counting the cats of course, which could definitely make
him responsible for a hundred animals in five years. Not counting the
neighbor animals that get knocked up by Gunner's zoo. Some animal
"lover." Christ.

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 14:16:41 -0500, Jon Elson <el...@pico-systems.com>
wrote:

My buddy has given me some very nice dogs over the years when the
shelter couldnt find homes for them. I got both of the Malaumtes that
way. Both were marked "destroyed" and both of them were marvelous dogs
that lived a very long, very healthy life. Both died at or over
12yrs of age..Baron lived to be nearly 15. I buried Sandy next to him.

Most..not all..but most animal control people love dogs and most of
them have their own packs. Some dogs are just too good to be
destroyed.

Ill have my own pack when its my time.

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 16:20:35 -0500, gonjah <jth...@toast.net> wrote:

>Sorry to hear that. My dog is my absolute best friend. She's 14 now and
>I'm thankful for everyday she's healthy and happy.

Give her lots of love, she is leading into the end times, so spend as
much time with her as you can until she goes. And if she needs to
go..and cant...be a man and help her. My roommates have a very very
elderly dog...almost blind, had a couple strokes already...some days
cant walk and is probably 15 or older..and they are unwilling to let
her go. When she decides...Im afraid Im going to have to help
her..which Ive always found damned hard to do..even if its past time.

[Mighty Wannabe]

A real animal lover would do the responsible thing to pay to have the
new brood neutered. Uncontrolled pet population growth will create
misery for the animals, owner, neighbours, and animal shelters.

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 21:33:13 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 14:16:41 -0500, Jon Elson <el...@pico-systems.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>>
>>> It should be noted..that my buddy was in full uniform...he is the
>>> local dog catcher..and had run over my Sandy's head and neck with the
>>> 2 ton Animal Control truck. Somewhat ironic eh?
>>>
>>Man, that is SOME KIND of ironic, just about bends the
>>ironic meter, for sure! So sorry about your loss, really
>>ghastly way to go!
>>
>>Jon
>
>My buddy has given me some very nice dogs over the years when the
>shelter couldnt find homes for them. I got both of the Malaumtes that
>way. Both were marked "destroyed" and both of them were marvelous dogs
>that lived a very long, very healthy life. Both died at or over
>12yrs of age..Baron lived to be nearly 15. I buried Sandy next to him.
>
>Most..not all..but most animal control people love dogs and most of
>them have their own packs. Some dogs are just too good to be
>destroyed.
>
>Ill have my own pack when its my time.
>
>Gunner

Oh..I should have posted these

https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/OldPhotos#5555310529060158498

https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/OldPhotos#5555316543257032258

[misanthrope]

snippity

>
> These dogs are really good companions..if you find one that fixes on
> you..take him/her home. You will both enjoy it. Hell..take any dog
> home..it will be good for you both.
>
> Gunner

Thank you, it's clear you love your dogs and cats. Now is not the right
time for a dog for us. We live in a duplex which means no fenced in
back yard. Also, we have a cat we adopted from the same shelter I
volunteer at about 8 yrs ago and he has been the only 4 legged critter
here for all that time. I don't think he would appreciate a change now.
I would love to have a dog, I've wanted one for months, but since it's
not the right time yet, I've been doing the volunteer thing which is the
next best thing to having a dog and I really enjoy it. When I do get a
dog, It will hopefully either be a beagle or pit bull, because I get
along with those both most of all.

[Tom Gardner]

Ask how anyone can beat a woman.

[Mighty Wannabe]

misanthrope wrote:
>
>
> Thank you, it's clear you love your dogs and cats. Now is not the right
> time for a dog for us. We live in a duplex which means no fenced in
> back yard. Also, we have a cat we adopted from the same shelter I
> volunteer at about 8 yrs ago and he has been the only 4 legged critter
> here for all that time.

That is very kind of you to volunteer at animal shelter.

> I don't think he would appreciate a change now.
> I would love to have a dog, I've wanted one for months, but since it's
> not the right time yet, I've been doing the volunteer thing which is the
> next best thing to having a dog and I really enjoy it. When I do get a
> dog, It will hopefully either be a beagle or pit bull, because I get
> along with those both most of all.

Beagle has a tendency to devour its own poop. Pit bull has a notoriety
of maulling children and other dogs. Those two seem to be the worst
choice of breeds.

[rbowman]

Mighty Wannabe wrote:

> Beagle has a tendency to devour its own poop. Pit bull has a notoriety
> of maulling children and other dogs. Those two seem to be the worst
> choice of breeds.

Yeah, I suppose you'd go with one of those yappy little lapdogs that are all
noise and no balls to match your personality.

[Rudy Canoza]

This is so bitterly funny. Right after gummer makes his obligatory
filthy-minded slam against a caricature of liberals, in which he insults
mentally retarded and developmentally handicapped children, some fellow
traveler with a filthy mind chirps up with another slam at liberals,
most of whom have commented here to express sympathy with gummer at the
loss of his dog - a loss that was 100% due to gummer's carelessness and
stupidity.

>>
>>
>> This isn't a political issue despite your pathetic attempts to make it
>> into one.
>>
>> The issue is Mark Wieber is an irresponsible pet owner and his
>> irresponsibility has now resulted in the death of two of the dogs in his
>> care.
>>
>
> No, it's six...
>
> --you're forgetting about the four pups that died after contracting
> Parvovirus, something which is entirely preventable given a proper
> vaccination schedule.

Dogs at gummer's house immediately bring to mind Silas and Sally Phelps'
farm in "Huckleberry Finn", in which an uncontrolled pack of dogs have
the run of the place.

[Dan]

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Gunner Sorry for your loss.

We are on Golden Retriever Number 3 and the first two losses just about did us in.

But still we go back and get another. Only a dog person understands

Dan

[Mighty Wannabe]

Yeah, you seem to have forgotten "misanthrope" is a lady, who naturally
has no balls by design.

[Rudy Canoza]

Virtually all of his claims that have numbers in them are bullshit, e.g.
264mph on a motorcycle on public highway.

Chez Gummer sometimes seems to be some kind of group home for marginals
based on his descriptions, and I imagine a lot of the transients passing
through it bring animals with them.

[Tom Gardner]

Yep, I lost the second of my two mini-Schnausers after 16 years. They
died about a year apart. NO MORE! That lasted 6 weeks. But, I did
have some concern about a new pair outliving me, I had to be assured
someone would adopt them if they outlive me. The pups are almost three
now and Gunner was instrumental in getting me through it and having me
get more dogs. I was hurting.

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> fired this volley in news:47ydnWD_PYvp-
fPPnZ2dnU...@giganews.com:

> Ask how anyone can beat a woman.

How can anyone beat a woman?
L

[Yoor...@jurgis.net]

You can beat your woman, you can beat your dog, you can beat your meat,
but you can't beat a blowjob.

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 07:27:21 -0500, misanthrope <m...@privacy.net>
wrote:

It should be noted...that beagles are noisy, and not...not
particularly smart...

and pitbulls...have a reputation...somewhat self earned...as being
frankly....untrustworthy and dangerous. And I agree with that opinion
for the most part. I beg you to scratch pits off your list of pets.
Ive had to kill far too many of them. And Ive provided the stories of
why, more than once. There is a reason that in most shelters...pits
go right to the head of the death list.

But...the choice is yours, just use it very very wisely.

Gunner

--
"Their mommies tell them they're special, Liberals just don't understand
that "special" is a polite euphemism for;
*window licker on the short bus*"

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[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 07:34:55 -0700 (PDT), Dan <piez...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Gunner tips his hat to Dan.

--
"Their mommies tell them they're special, Liberals just don't understand
that "special" is a polite euphemism for;
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[Tom Gardner]

There is no reason for the breed to exist.

[Mighty Wannabe]

> There is no reason for the breed to exist.

Owners found out after the fact, and sent them to animal shelters,
hopefully, to be euthanized.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

There is no LEGITIMATE reason for the breed to exist.
Here if you have one it has to be registered and neutered, and it
cannot be replaced when it dies. You must also carry a minimum of 1
million dollars liability insurance.

You cannot bring one into the region, or breed them. Period.

[Blaine Leal]

On 10/28/2013 2:37 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
> Tom Gardner wrote:
>> On 10/28/2013 2:17 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> It should be noted...that beagles are noisy, and not...not
>>> particularly smart...
>>>
>>> and pitbulls...have a reputation...somewhat self earned...as being
>>> frankly....untrustworthy and dangerous. And I agree with that opinion
>>> for the most part. I beg you to scratch pits off your list of pets.
>>> Ive had to kill far too many of them. And Ive provided the stories of
>>> why, more than once. There is a reason that in most shelters...pits
>>> go right to the head of the death list.
>>>
>>> But...the choice is yours, just use it very very wisely.
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>
>>
>> There is no reason for the breed to exist.

Nutless ghetto rats need them as a fashion accessory to try to look tough.

[Gunner Asch]

I wish California had done that. Id have had to shoot far less dogs,
and spend far less money on medical bills after my wife was attacked
by 2 of them.

[Mighty Wannabe]

No dice, Gummer. That is Canadian law. No way in hell you can get
sensible laws remotely close to Canada's in any of your states, ever.

[technomaNge]

On 10/28/2013 07:27 AM, misanthrope wrote:

> next best thing to having a dog and I really enjoy it. When I do get a
> dog, It will hopefully either be a beagle or pit bull, because I get
> along with those both most of all.

Both of mine are mixed breed. The girl, now 12 yrs old, is mostly Lab.
She's smart as a whip, but getting so old her hearing is going.
The boy is about 9, got Lab, Chow, and 57 other lines in his heritage.
He's pretty smart, but was a street dog when I took him in so he is
used to his independence and gets stubborn sometimes.

All in all, I recommend you get the saddest looking, most skittish dog
in the pound. It will love you the most.
Purebreds get stupidity bred in. Mixed breeds have been the best for
me.



technomaNge
--
Got your ACA-caused health insurance cancellation yet?

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

Daughters dog is what we call a "black leperd" = black lab / german
shepherd cross, with a little something else likely tossed in. Smart
rascal, most of the time. Definitely good natured. 5 years old now, I
think.

[rbowman]

Gunner Asch wrote:

> It should be noted...that beagles are noisy, and not...not
> particularly smart...

There is that. There is also the propensity to screw anything that moves,
even if it requires a step ladder. One sub-zero night we thought we were
doing him a favor by letting him bed down in the cellar. Of course, beagles
being beagles and not too bright as you say, he managed to find the rat
poison we'd put down in the fall and forgotten about. It was the old
phosphorous stuff that smoked when you spread it on bread so I don't know
why it was more attractive than a bowl of Kennel Ration.

That was it for me and dogs.

[rbowman]

Mighty Wannabe wrote:

> Yeah, you seem to have forgotten "misanthrope" is a lady, who naturally
> has no balls by design.

The reply was to your post, Wanna BB, not Misanthrope's. Nice try, though.

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 21:18:36 -0500, technomaNge <u...@ftc.gov> wrote:

Good post! Absolutely true.

[SteveB]

>
> I talked to her last night..and she will be waiting for me when its my
> time to cross over. It will be many many years..but she was always
> good about waiting for me. And now..she can wait where she wants.
>
> Gunner

All dogs go to heaven. It is one of the things that keeps me going
sometimes, particularly when I walk past my Lab/Rott, Liberty's grave.
Best damn dog I ever had.

We got two rescues from the pound within two months. They ain't
Liberty, but they're a couple of really loving fun dogs, and I like
spending time with them a hell of a lot more than people I know.

Steve

[dh]

You have never shot a dog. Cut the shit.

[Rudy Canoza]

Fuck off, cunt.

I�ve written many times before about the evils of �hate speech�
laws that are prevalent in Canada and Europe � people being
fined, prosecuted and hauled before official tribunals for
expressing political opinions which the State has prohibited and
criminalized. I won�t rehash those arguments here, but I do want
to note a particularly creepy illustration of how these laws
manifest. The far-right hatemonger Ann Coulter was invited by a
campus conservative group to speak at the University of Ottawa,
and the Vice Provost of that college sent Coulter a letter
warning her that she may be subject to criminal prosecution if
the views she expresses fall into the realm of prohibited
viewpoints

http://www.salon.com/2010/03/22/canada_5/


Canada is not a free country. Its citizens do not enjoy the protection
of basic human rights.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 10/28/2013 9:27 PM, SteveB wrote:
>
>>
>> I talked to her last night..and she will be waiting for me when its my
>> time to cross over. It will be many many years..but she was always
>> good about waiting for me. And now..she can wait where she wants.
>>
>> Gunner
>
> All dogs go to heaven.

Shitbags like gummer don't.

[PrecisionmachinisT]

"Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
news:bc354$526f54bb$414e828e$51...@EVERESTKC.NET...

>
> Canada is not a free country.

And neither is the USA.

> Its citizens do not enjoy the protection of basic human rights.

Depends ENTIRELY upon your ideology.

[Mighty Wannabe]

Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
>
>
> Canada is not a free country. Its citizens do not enjoy the protection
> of basic human rights.
>

Canada is a free country, while the US is occupied and run by
multinational corporations and international bankers pulling the strings
of their puppet politicians.

I weep for you, dumb Rudy ass.

[Mighty Wannabe]

Everybody knows Gummer Assch is a liar. A pathetic liar, to be precise.

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 28 Oct 2013 11:29:47 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>
>>Gunner Sorry for your loss.
>>
>>We are on Golden Retriever Number 3 and the first two losses just about did us in.
>>
>>But still we go back and get another. Only a dog person understands
>>
>>Dan
>
>
>Gunner tips his hat to Dan.

I'm a cat person, but ... same sort of thing. "Only a dog|cat
... but it was mine. Damnit."

--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."

[misanthrope]

Thanks for the post. At the no kill shelter I volunteer at, that is all
I've worked with are mixed breeds, and they were all wonderful dogs.
I'm in what they call the buddy program where you spend more time with a
specific dog or 2, get to know them, take them to training class, and
generally try to help make them more adoptable. The sweetest dog I've
had as a buddy was a beagle/dachshund mix. When he was finally adopted
it was a bittersweet day for me.

The breed/mix I'm most wary of is the jack russels, as those are the
only ones that I was ever bit or attacked by at the shelter. It is a no
kill shelter, but if a dog bites a volunteer/staff 3 times, then they
are considered unadoptable and put down.

After spending the time I have at the shelter, I would not choose to get
a dog anywhere else when it is time for me to adopt. :)

[Rudy Canoza]

On 10/28/2013 11:44 PM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
> "Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
> news:bc354$526f54bb$414e828e$51...@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>
>> Canada is not a free country.
>
> And neither is the USA.

Much freer than Canada.

>
>> Its citizens do not enjoy the protection of basic human rights.
>
> Depends ENTIRELY upon your ideology.

No, it doesn't. Basic human rights do not include getting goods and
services for free.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 10/28/2013 11:48 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Canada is not a free country. Its citizens do not enjoy the protection
>> of basic human rights.
>>
>
>
> Canada is a free country,

It's not.

> while the US is occupied and

The US is occupied by Americans.

[Mighty Wannabe]

How do you "put down" a dog in a "no kill" shelter? Do you constantly
scold it?

[Mighty Wannabe]

You dumb American ass. The riches of the land belong to the citizens,
not the multinational corporations which bribe the politicians to give
them away.

They tell you that you don't own nothing and you have to work for it.

Unlike you fools, Canada's universal healthcare is heavily subsidized by
the money from the riches of the land, oil, lumber, and minerals.

[Mighty Wannabe]

You dumb ass. You are squatting. Your multinational national
corporations own all the resources of the land, and your international
bankers own your silly ass. Your country is bankrupt. When your
creditors call your country's loan and you cannot pay, you will all be
herded across the border into Mexico.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 10/29/2013 7:49 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 10/28/2013 11:44 PM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>>> "Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote in message
>>> news:bc354$526f54bb$414e828e$51...@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>>>
>>>> Canada is not a free country.
>>>
>>> And neither is the USA.
>>
>> Much freer than Canada.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Its citizens do not enjoy the protection of basic human rights.
>>>
>>> Depends ENTIRELY upon your ideology.
>>
>> No, it doesn't. Basic human rights do not include getting goods and
>> services for free.
>>
>
>
> You dumb American ass. The riches of the land belong to the citizens,

Cut the shit, you dumb fucking ham hock socialist. No, the "riches of
the land" do not belong to "the people". Not even in Canada.

Ownership of Resources

The right to develop resources (or to choose not to develop them)
is, in the first instance, a right of ownership. Under the common
law of Canada, the basic rule is that the ownership of land
carries with it the right to harvest renewable resources such as
crops, trees, fish and wildlife, and also the right to extract
nonrenewable resources such as coal, minerals and oil.
Originally, governments in Canada gave individuals ownership of
this type when crown land grants were made to settlers and
developers, but new policies emerged around the turn of the
century whereby governments gave only restricted ownership rights
to resource developers. Mining leases and limited cutting rights
began to replace outright grants of mineral and forest lands.

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/resource-rights

The resource rights may not be absolute, but *most* resources are
privately owned and exploited - as they should be.

"The commons" is a recipe for economic collapse.

> not the multinational corporations which bribe the politicians to give
> them away.

Fuck off, crybaby commie. Corporations own the resource rights because
they paid for them.

>
> Unlike you fools, Canada's universal healthcare is heavily subsidized by
> the money from the riches of the land, oil, lumber, and minerals.

Canada's health care system is a disaster. People die waiting for care.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 10/29/2013 8:00 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 10/28/2013 11:48 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>>> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Canada is not a free country. Its citizens do not enjoy the protection
>>>> of basic human rights.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Canada is a free country,
>>
>> It's not.
>>
>>
>>> while the US is occupied and
>>
>> The US is occupied by Americans.
>>
>
> You dumb ass. You are squatting. Your multinational national
> corporations

Fuck off. You give yourself away as a complete cunt when you use that
kind of language - a thoroughgoing ignorant left-wing cunt.

[Mighty Wannabe]

Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 10/29/2013 7:49 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>>
>>
>> You dumb American ass. The riches of the land belong to the citizens,
>
> Cut the shit, you dumb fucking ham hock socialist. No, the "riches of
> the land" do not belong to "the people". Not even in Canada.
>
> Ownership of Resources
>
> The right to develop resources (or to choose not to develop them)
> is, in the first instance, a right of ownership. Under the common
> law of Canada, the basic rule is that the ownership of land
> carries with it the right to harvest renewable resources such as
> crops, trees, fish and wildlife, and also the right to extract
> nonrenewable resources such as coal, minerals and oil.
> Originally, governments in Canada gave individuals ownership of
> this type when crown land grants were made to settlers and
> developers, but new policies emerged around the turn of the
> century whereby governments gave only restricted ownership rights
> to resource developers. Mining leases and limited cutting rights
> began to replace outright grants of mineral and forest lands.
>
> http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/resource-rights
>
> The resource rights may not be absolute, but *most* resources are
> privately owned and exploited - as they should be.

Canada's land is "Crown Land". Resource companies don't own the land or
the resources. They pay good money for the "right" to do exploration and
extraction. When they really start the extraction, then they pay
royalties for whatever they extract from the land. After that, they also
have to pay profit tax for making money off it.

On the other hand, in the USA (the land of the fools), the multinational
corporations paid off their puppet politicians to sell out everthing in
the name of capitalism. They rape the land and embezzle the riches. They
bribe the politicians to give them tax breaks, tax exemptions, and tax
loopholes. They syphon all the profit to offshore bank accounts. All you
idiots get is a "job". A job to help them rob you clean, you fucking
retard. They fuck you hard and you thank them.

>
> "The commons" is a recipe for economic collapse.
>
>
>> not the multinational corporations which bribe the politicians to give
>> them away.
>
> Fuck off, crybaby commie. Corporations own the resource rights because
> they paid for them.
>

Your corporations paid for the your resources at fire sale price because
you have corrupt politicians, you shit face.

You are bankrupted by multination corporations and international
bankers, shit face.

>>
>> Unlike you fools, Canada's universal healthcare is heavily subsidized by
>> the money from the riches of the land, oil, lumber, and minerals.
>
> Canada's health care system is a disaster. People die waiting for care.
>

You fucking idiot. Canada's universal healthcare system covers EVERYBODY
at half the cost per capita compareD the the currest status in the US.
The US spends twice as much per capita but most people are uninsured or
under-insured.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 10/29/2013 9:07 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 10/29/2013 7:49 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> You dumb American ass. The riches of the land belong to the citizens,
>>
>> Cut the shit, you dumb fucking ham hock socialist. No, the "riches of
>> the land" do not belong to "the people". Not even in Canada.
>>
>> Ownership of Resources
>>
>> The right to develop resources (or to choose not to develop them)
>> is, in the first instance, a right of ownership. Under the common
>> law of Canada, the basic rule is that the ownership of land
>> carries with it the right to harvest renewable resources such as
>> crops, trees, fish and wildlife, and also the right to extract
>> nonrenewable resources such as coal, minerals and oil.
>> Originally, governments in Canada gave individuals ownership of
>> this type when crown land grants were made to settlers and
>> developers, but new policies emerged around the turn of the
>> century whereby governments gave only restricted ownership rights
>> to resource developers. Mining leases and limited cutting rights
>> began to replace outright grants of mineral and forest lands.
>>
>> http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/resource-rights
>>
>> The resource rights may not be absolute, but *most* resources are
>> privately owned and exploited - as they should be.
>
> Canada's land is "Crown Land". Resource companies don't own the land or
> the resources.

My citation proved you wrong, you stupid cunt.

>> "The commons" is a recipe for economic collapse.
>>
>>
>>> not the multinational corporations which bribe the politicians to give
>>> them away.
>>
>> Fuck off, crybaby commie. Corporations own the resource rights because
>> they paid for them.
>>
>
> Your corporations paid for the your resources at fire sale price because

Bullshit. You don't know what you're talking about, you do-nothing
squat-to-piss homo.

>>>
>>> Unlike you fools, Canada's universal healthcare is heavily subsidized by
>>> the money from the riches of the land, oil, lumber, and minerals.
>>
>> Canada's health care system is a disaster. People die waiting for care.
>>
>
> You fucking idiot. Canada's universal healthcare system covers EVERYBODY
> at half the cost per capita compareD the the currest status in the US.

People die there waiting for care, *EVEN THOUGH* they are nominally
"covered." Other "covered" people suffer severely degraded quality of
life because they wait for care.

Your system is shit.

[Mighty Wannabe]

Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
>>
>> Your corporations paid for the your resources at fire sale price because
>
> Bullshit. You don't know what you're talking about, you do-nothing
> squat-to-piss homo.

So you have nothing to rebuke and just cut off my answer, you fucking
shameless shit face. Go fuck yourself and don't answer my post, you
ignorant inbred motherfucking GOP fool.

>
>
>>>>
>>>> Unlike you fools, Canada's universal healthcare is heavily
>>>> subsidized by
>>>> the money from the riches of the land, oil, lumber, and minerals.
>>>
>>> Canada's health care system is a disaster. People die waiting for care.
>>>
>>
>> You fucking idiot. Canada's universal healthcare system covers EVERYBODY
>> at half the cost per capita compareD the the currest status in the US.
>
> People die there waiting for care, *EVEN THOUGH* they are nominally
> "covered." Other "covered" people suffer severely degraded quality of
> life because they wait for care.
>
> Your system is shit.
>

So once again you have nothing to rebuke and just snip off my answer,
you fucking shameless shit face. Go fuck yourself and don't answer my
post, you ignorant inbred motherfucking GOP fool.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 10/29/2013 9:33 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Your corporations paid for the your resources at fire sale price because
>>
>> Bullshit. You don't know what you're talking about, you do-nothing
>> squat-to-piss homo.
>

> So you have nothing to rebuke [sic] and just cut off my answer,

You meant "rebut", you fucking illiterate. I cut off your fuckwitted
answer because it was bullshit.

>>>>> Unlike you fools, Canada's universal healthcare is heavily
>>>>> subsidized by
>>>>> the money from the riches of the land, oil, lumber, and minerals.
>>>>
>>>> Canada's health care system is a disaster. People die waiting for
>>>> care.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You fucking idiot. Canada's universal healthcare system covers EVERYBODY
>>> at half the cost per capita compareD the the currest status in the US.
>>
>> People die there waiting for care, *EVEN THOUGH* they are nominally
>> "covered." Other "covered" people suffer severely degraded quality of
>> life because they wait for care.
>>
>> Your system is shit.
>>
>
> So once again you have nothing to rebuke and

Shut up.

[Mighty Wannabe]

Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 10/29/2013 9:33 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your corporations paid for the your resources at fire sale price
>>>> because
>>>
>>> Bullshit. You don't know what you're talking about, you do-nothing
>>> squat-to-piss homo.
>>
>> So you have nothing to rebuke [sic] and just cut off my answer,
>
> You meant "rebut", you fucking illiterate. I cut off your fuckwitted
> answer because it was bullshit.
>

You apparently don't have a dictionary. Go look up a dictionary online,
you ignorant motherfucking homeschooled inbred.

>
>>>>>> Unlike you fools, Canada's universal healthcare is heavily
>>>>>> subsidized by
>>>>>> the money from the riches of the land, oil, lumber, and minerals.
>>>>>
>>>>> Canada's health care system is a disaster. People die waiting for
>>>>> care.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You fucking idiot. Canada's universal healthcare system covers
>>>> EVERYBODY
>>>> at half the cost per capita compareD the the currest status in the US.
>>>
>>> People die there waiting for care, *EVEN THOUGH* they are nominally
>>> "covered." Other "covered" people suffer severely degraded quality of
>>> life because they wait for care.
>>>
>>> Your system is shit.
>>>
>>
>> So once again you have nothing to rebuke and
>
> Shut up.

Go fuck youself, you cum sucking and motherfucking homeschooled inbred.

You are an ignorant low quality troll. You have nothing intelligent to
say. All you can do is snip off the relevent part of other people's reply.

Once again, if you cannot troll with human decency, then go suck your
father's cock and then fuck you mother, and stay the fuck out of sight.

Need not reply, you ignorant homeschooled motherfucking inbred.

[Rudy Canoza]

On 10/29/2013 11:19 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 10/29/2013 9:33 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>>> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your corporations paid for the your resources at fire sale price
>>>>> because
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. You don't know what you're talking about, you do-nothing
>>>> squat-to-piss homo.
>>>
>>> So you have nothing to rebuke [sic] and just cut off my answer,
>>
>> You meant "rebut", you fucking illiterate. I cut off your fuckwitted
>> answer because it was bullshit.
>>
>
> You apparently don't have a dictionary.

Shut your fucking yap. You don't know the meaning of rebuke. It's the
wrong word in the context in which you used it.

Keep your fucking mouth shut.

[Mighty Wannabe]

Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 10/29/2013 11:19 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 10/29/2013 9:33 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>>>> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your corporations paid for the your resources at fire sale price
>>>>>> because
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit. You don't know what you're talking about, you do-nothing
>>>>> squat-to-piss homo.
>>>>
>>>> So you have nothing to rebuke [sic] and just cut off my answer,
>>>
>>> You meant "rebut", you fucking illiterate. I cut off your fuckwitted
>>> answer because it was bullshit.
>>>
>>
>> You apparently don't have a dictionary.
>
>
>

> Keep your fucking mouth shut.
>

Go fuck yourself, you cum sucking and motherfucking home-schooled inbred.

You are an ignorant low quality troll. You have nothing intelligent to

say. All you can do is snip off the relevant part of other people's reply.

Once again, if you cannot troll with human decency, then go suck your
father's cock and then fuck you mother, and stay the fuck out of sight.

Need not reply, you ignorant home-schooled motherfucking inbred.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 23:32:25 -0700, Rudy Canoza
<LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote:

>On 10/28/2013 7:04 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 19:26:39 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> There is no LEGITIMATE reason for the breed to exist.
>>>> Here if you have one it has to be registered and neutered, and it
>>>> cannot be replaced when it dies. You must also carry a minimum of 1
>>>> million dollars liability insurance.
>>>>
>>>> You cannot bring one into the region, or breed them. Period.
>>>
>>> I wish California had done that. Id have had to shoot far less dogs,
>>> and spend far less money on medical bills after my wife was attacked
>>> by 2 of them.
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>>
>>
>> No dice, Gummer. That is Canadian law. No way in hell you can get
>> sensible laws remotely close to Canada's
>
>Fuck off, cunt.
>

> I’ve written many times before about the evils of “hate speech”
> laws that are prevalent in Canada and Europe — people being

> fined, prosecuted and hauled before official tribunals for
> expressing political opinions which the State has prohibited and

> criminalized. I won’t rehash those arguments here, but I do want

> to note a particularly creepy illustration of how these laws
> manifest. The far-right hatemonger Ann Coulter was invited by a
> campus conservative group to speak at the University of Ottawa,
> and the Vice Provost of that college sent Coulter a letter
> warning her that she may be subject to criminal prosecution if
> the views she expresses fall into the realm of prohibited
> viewpoints
>
>http://www.salon.com/2010/03/22/canada_5/
>
>
>Canada is not a free country. Its citizens do not enjoy the protection
>of basic human rights.

It's a hell of a lot more "free" than the USA at the moment..At
least for the average citizen.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

How much time have you spent in Canada, Rudy????

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

No, MOST natural resources are on crown land or land who's owners do
not have mineral rights - They own the top number of feet - and
that's effectively all.

>
>"The commons" is a recipe for economic collapse.
>
>
>> not the multinational corporations which bribe the politicians to give
>> them away.
>
>Fuck off, crybaby commie. Corporations own the resource rights because
>they paid for them.
>
>>
>> Unlike you fools, Canada's universal healthcare is heavily subsidized by
>> the money from the riches of the land, oil, lumber, and minerals.
>
>Canada's health care system is a disaster. People die waiting for care.

Very few, comp[ared to in the USA, where if you don't have the money
for treatment you die - and if anything goes seriously bad healthwise,
you are BROKE.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

And You, Rudy, know NOTHING about Canada - and not a heck of a lot
about your own country.

[jon_banquer]

On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:39:59 PM UTC-7, Clare wrote:

>
> Very few, comp[ared to in the USA, where if you don't have the money
>
> for treatment you die - and if anything goes seriously bad healthwise,
>
> you are BROKE.

Nice to see you finally get something right but then even a stopped clock is right twice a day, Clare.

Heath care in the US have been broken for many years. I have no idea if the Affordable Healthcare Act will work or not but something had to be done. It's too bad phoney conservatives like your pal Mark Wieber and the rest of his clique of idiots can't deal with this FACT.

Health care is a right and worthless, shit bags like The Pimple are going to have to face the music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSM8t_cLZgk

[Rudy Canoza]

It isn't. It's a virtual police state compared with the USA.

[Rudy Canoza]

Quite a lot, actually. And don't get me wrong - I love the place, and I
love Canadians. But your current political climate there is not one of
freedom - not when you can be jailed for saying the "wrong" thing about
some group.

[Mighty Wannabe]

There are limits to free speech. Death threats are not free speech.

"Kill the Jews", "kill the Germans" .... would be racism, not free speech.