A Hell of a letter!!!

[raykeller]

Nails It
--------------------
A Hell of a letter!!!


~by George Roof, Chief Master Sergeant, USAF

Because I am a lifer in the military, I've seen the impact of a president
more than many of you can imagine.

I enlisted with LBJ and saw just what a Democrat clusterflock was all about.
I went to Vietnam and saw how we were constantly and incessantly bombarded
with micromanagement from Washington that got thousands of military people
killed. I sometimes wonder if I'll get to heaven, but if I go to hell, I'm
sure I'll still be a few hundred floors above that bastard Robert McNamara,
LBJ, John Kerry, Jane Fonda, and yes, even the hero John McCain.

After Johnson abdicated rather than having his ass waxed, I lived through
Nixon who was hawkish but allowed the generals (and there WERE a few real
generals back then versus now) run the show. He was so out of touch that he
never knew North Vietnam was about to surrender when the Paris Accord was
presented.

Only God could help us after Gerald Ford was beaten by Jimmy Peanuts who'd
been funded by Saudi money. The military was turned into Section 8 and even
the White house suffered the austerity.

Then the light began to shine and Ronald Reagan swept into the fray. He
not only loved the country and the military, they loved him back.

Esprit corps was off the scale during his presidency. The Liberals were
slowly turning into socialists, however, and about this time all the draft
dodgers of the 1960's who'd been given amnesty by Jimmy Peanuts were turning
out college graduates with degrees in socialism.

Bush 1 was an enigma from the CIA and though he never did much either way,
he NEVER DID MUCH EITHER WAY.

Welcome to Bill Clinton.

Clinton spent most of his two terms wagging the dog and creating the Oral
Office, sending a bomber to blow up Quadafi's tent and killing a goat or
two, while allowing the UN to set up the infamous Black Hawk Down situation.
He made history by becoming only the second president to be impeached.

I actually felt sorry for Bush 2. He was doomed to infamy from the start.

He thought most of America was still the rah rah patriots of WWII when they
were simply socialists waiting to feed him to the sharks.

Then there came the Manchurian Candidate with a faked (OK Democrats, let's
say of questionable origin to assuage your PC brains) birth certificate,
who'd gotten a free ride through college under a foreign student exemption,
and whose college records and complete life history had been sealed. (We
know more about Thomas Jefferson's bastard children than we do about Obama,
Michelle, OR their two kids.)

From his inaugural address, he slandered America and within days had begun
to encourage dissention of the races as well as slandering police who acted
stupidly. That was mild to the crap that would come in doubling the national
debt from what had been built by ALL THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS COMBINED,
feeding us bullshit about how Muslims built this country, and nationalizing
American industries.

Fueled by George Soros money and using the Air Force fleet as his personal
charters, he appointed malcontents and traitors into positions of authority.
He trashed the Constitution by installing czars (interesting he chose a
title like that) to bypass Congressional authority.

By that time, Congress was completely corrupt on both sides of the aisle.
No one had balls to impeach this charlatan.

Mysteriously, the lone outspoken conservative Supreme Court Justice
suddenly dies in his sleep at an Obama pal's hunting lodge and the Supreme
Court is evenly split. Finally, Congress shows some balls and rejects
Obama's nomination.

The Liberals aren't worried because the fix is in. Soros has paid
demonstrators to cause turmoil at all the Republican gatherings, Obama
concedes that illegal aliens should vote as they won't be prosecuted, and
Soros-manufactured voting machines are caught switching votes in certain
precincts. Hillary has cheated her way to the nomination and her lies are
completely ignored by the brainwashed minions of sycophants who follow her.

But a shocking thing happened on the way to the forum.

Middle America had had enough and although the pollsters and the pipers
tried to convince them not even to bother to vote, they were fed up with the
denizens of the swamp. It was time. Florida was designated a swing state
ignoring that all those old retirees living in St. Petersburg, and the fed
up Cuban Americans of Miami weren't interested in their platform. Ohio and
Pennsylvania, where coal production was blacklisted and where Obama had
ridiculed them for clinging to their Bibles and their guns, lay awaiting
this supposed landslide Hillary vote and creamed it.

The Socialist world of the Democratic Party disintegrated.

An American who expressed unbridled love of country and respect for police,
firemen, and military steamrolled across the heartland and the liberals
realized their scheme was trashed. A CONSTITUTIONALIST would be nominated
to the Supreme Court and if the old hag Ginsburg who'd claimed to retire if
Trump were elected would actually leave, the Supreme Court would have a
massive majority of CONSTITUTIONALISTS for the next 40-50 years.

Now, the same party who'd ridiculed Trump on his comments about the
election being rigged, started screaming that the election was rigged.

They even advocated having the election repeated. They created mobs that
burned and pillaged, stopped traffic, threatened murder, battery and rape of
Trump supporters, and became the anarchists that the socialist dream thrives
upon. They run like castrated pigs for safe zones and use diaper pins as
their national symbol.

This is exactly what happens when political correctness takes over and
participation trophies are awarded to everyone. They can't conceive how
disgusting and subservient they have become.

Donald Trump may NOT be the best person for the job, but he's such a
welcome respite from the candy-assed wimps who have been running the swamp
that it's refreshing to see. At the very least, Donald Trump derailed the
Socialist train and bought us precious time. If he only does half of what
he's promised, we'll still be legions ahead of where Obama has dragged us.
Already countries who held us in contempt are lining up to be found in the
favor of America.

So for you liberal lurkers and you half-assed fence-sitters, fuck off! You
had your big hurrah and now your party is over.

For you staunch Republicans in office, don't gloat so much yourselves. You
have been put on notice by the American people that we're fed up with ALL
YOU BASTARDS and if you don't start putting America first, you do so at your
own peril.

You might want to buy a copy of George McGovern's autobiography and see how
shocking and humbling it can be for a professional politician to have to try
to find legitimate work once he falls from grace.

This election was pure, unadulterated AMERICAN. Hillary got beaten and
AMERICA WON THE ELECTION. You can claim he's not your president all you
want, but unless you forfeit your American citizenship,

YES HE IS!!!!

Go cry a river some place where they need water.

[kick ray-ray]

On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
> Nails It
> --------------------
> A Hell of a letter!!!
>

A massive steaming load of bullshit. The Vietnam war was unwinnable -
period.

America lost by electing Trump - period.
--
<VBG> Cites? indeed $75/hr fascinating "I've not" buffoon "hold that
thought" backhoe "the list" cull 264mph "3/5/8 years street cop"
swingers "Libs" leftists

[Frank]

On 6/14/2017 5:49 PM, kick ray-ray wrote:
> On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
>> Nails It
>> --------------------
>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>
>
> A massive steaming load of bullshit. The Vietnam war was unwinnable -
> period.
>
> America lost by electing Trump - period.

Love it or leave it.

[max headroom]

In news:5ci0B.721$T61...@fx39.iad, kick ray-ray <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> typed:

> On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:

>> Nails It
>> --------------------
>> A Hell of a letter!!!

> A massive steaming load of bullshit....

Hey Rudy:

Put your sig line AFTER your comments!

[kick ray-ray]

Only shitbags love the debauched America Trump wants to inflict on us.

[Frank]

On 6/14/2017 6:42 PM, kick ray-ray wrote:
> On 6/14/2017 3:34 PM, Frank wrote:
>> On 6/14/2017 5:49 PM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
>>>> Nails It
>>>> --------------------
>>>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> A massive steaming load of bullshit. The Vietnam war was unwinnable
>>> - period.
>>>
>>> America lost by electing Trump - period.
>>
>> Love it or leave it.
>
> Only shitbags love the debauched America Trump wants to inflict on us.
>

Even more reason for your leaving.

[max headroom]

In news:AZi0B.1$ks...@fx25.iad, kick ray-ray <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> typed:

> On 6/14/2017 3:34 PM, Frank wrote:

>> On 6/14/2017 5:49 PM, kick ray-ray wrote:

>>> On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:

>>>> Nails It
>>>> --------------------
>>>> A Hell of a letter!!!

>>> A massive steaming load of bullshit. The Vietnam war was unwinnable -
>>> period.

>>> America lost by electing Trump - period.

>> Love it or leave it.

> Only shitbags love the debauched America Trump wants to inflict on us.

Do you prefer Bekins or Mayflower?

[de chucka]

On 15/06/2017 7:03 AM, raykeller wrote:
> Nails It
> --------------------
> A Hell of a letter!!!
>
>
> ~by George Roof, Chief Master Sergeant, USAF

Interestingly there doesn't seem to be a George Roof listed as ever
being the Chief Master Sergeant of the USAF

[Terry Coombs]

Here ya go :
https://www.truthorfiction.com/george-roof-presidents-ive-known/

--

Snag

[de chucka]

So he wasn't the Chief Master Sergeant of the USAF

[kick ray-ray]

I'm not leaving, you nutless cuck.

[Preston Hamblin]

You wouldn't know. There is no search engine that lists everyone who
ever was in the US Air Force. You lied - again.

[PaxPerPoten]

On 6/14/2017 4:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
> Nails It
> --------------------
> A Hell of a letter!!!

BRAVO!!

--
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster

[tRudy Crayola]

On 6/14/2017 4:49 PM, kick ray-ray wrote:

> A massive steaming load of Jonathonshit.

Whassa matter runt... Mommy wouldn't change your shitty diaper?


--
Rudy's Nut & Fruit farm- Sacramento

[PaxPerPoten]

If we are voting...I vote for it to leave and not let door hittem in
ass! ;-l

[PaxPerPoten]

Strange... I did the VA website in St Louise and found 4...One of which
fits the time frame. Chunky...you just ain't very bright and definitely
not honest!

[PaxPerPoten]

There is in ST Louis...But not everyone can use it. Homeland Security
wants folks on those lists protected from nosy assholes like you.

[de chucka]

On 15/06/2017 4:02 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
> On 6/14/2017 8:25 PM, de chucka wrote:
>> On 15/06/2017 7:03 AM, raykeller wrote:
>>> Nails It
>>> --------------------
>>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> ~by George Roof, Chief Master Sergeant, USAF
>>
>> Interestingly there doesn't seem to be a George Roof listed as ever
>> being the Chief Master Sergeant of the USAF
>
> Strange... I did the VA website in St Louise and found 4...One of which
> fits the time frame. Chunky...you just ain't very bright and definitely
> not honest!

As has been pointed out to me he does exist, I misread his rank as Chief
Master Sgt of the USAF

[Frank]

On 6/15/2017 1:37 AM, kick ray-ray wrote:
> On 6/14/2017 5:07 PM, Frank wrote:
>> On 6/14/2017 6:42 PM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2017 3:34 PM, Frank wrote:
>>>> On 6/14/2017 5:49 PM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>>>> On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
>>>>>> Nails It
>>>>>> --------------------
>>>>>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A massive steaming load of bullshit. The Vietnam war was
>>>>> unwinnable - period.
>>>>>
>>>>> America lost by electing Trump - period.
>>>>
>>>> Love it or leave it.
>>>
>>> Only shitbags love the debauched America Trump wants to inflict on us.
>>>
>> Even more reason for your leaving.
>
> I'm not leaving, you nutless cuck.
>

Too bad.

[kick ray-ray]

On 6/14/2017 10:56 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
> On 6/14/2017 4:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
>> Nails It
>> --------------------
>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>
> BRAVO!!

shite

[kick ray-ray]

On 6/14/2017 11:00 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
> On 6/14/2017 5:34 PM, Frank wrote:
>> On 6/14/2017 5:49 PM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
>>>> Nails It
>>>> --------------------
>>>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> A massive steaming load of bullshit. The Vietnam war was unwinnable
>>> - period.
>>>
>>> America lost by electing Trump - period.
>>
>> Love it or leave it.
>
> If we are voting...I vote for it to leave and not let door hittem in
> ass! ;-l

I vote for you to eat shit and bark at the moon. I'm stayin'.

[Jim Wilkins]

"PIBB" <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:XnsA79590D...@81.171.118.180...

> The plot unwinds.

There are many Chief Master Sergeants.
http://www.militaryfactory.com/ranks/air_force_ranks.asp

[kick ray-ray]

On 6/14/2017 11:02 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
> On 6/14/2017 8:25 PM, de chucka wrote:
>> On 15/06/2017 7:03 AM, raykeller wrote:
>>> Nails It
>>> --------------------
>>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> ~by George Roof, Chief Master Sergeant, USAF
>>
>> Interestingly there doesn't seem to be a George Roof listed as ever
>> being the Chief Master Sergeant of the USAF
>

> Strange... I did the VA website in St Louise [sic] and found 4

Fucking liar.

[Preston Hamblin]

On 6/14/2017 11:05 PM, PaxPerPoten wrote:
> On 6/15/2017 12:39 AM, Preston Hamblin wrote:
>> On 6/14/2017 6:25 PM, de chucka wrote:
>>> On 15/06/2017 7:03 AM, raykeller wrote:
>>>> Nails It
>>>> --------------------
>>>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ~by George Roof, Chief Master Sergeant, USAF
>>>
>>> Interestingly there doesn't seem to be a George Roof listed as ever
>>> being the Chief Master Sergeant of the USAF
>>
>> You wouldn't know. There is no search engine that lists everyone who
>> ever was in the US Air Force. You lied - again.
>
> There is in ST Louis...But not everyone can use it.

<chuckle> Bullshit.

[kick ray-ray]

For you, yes.

[Preston Hamblin]

Correct:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Master_Sergeant_of_the_Air_Force#Chief_Master_Sergeants_of_the_Air_Force

His name is not on this list of all CMSAF.

[Fletch]

On 6/15/2017 10:00 AM, Preston Hamblin wrote:
> His name is not on this list

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PICK THOSE ORANGES!!!

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[Preston Hamblin]

On 6/15/2017 6:15 AM, PIBB wrote:

> That makes the info into fake news. Now it's established what the
> article is then we should ask what else in the article is fake?

He is almost always referred to as "Chief Master Sergeant (retired) US
Air Force" in all those right-wingnut fake news sites that carry his
screed. Here's an example:
http://www.federalobserver.com/2016/11/29/presidents-ive-known/

There may actually be a George Roof who was a sergeant in the Air Force,
but he's a nobody. He's a typical military rah-rah guy who thinks
military force is the answer to nearly every international problem, and
wants to get rid of civilian control of the military. His evaluation of
presidents is typical right-wing ignorant boilerplate.

[Richard Persing]

There is only *ONE* Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force at any time,
and George Roof was not one of them:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Master_Sergeant_of_the_Air_Force#Chief_Master_Sergeants_of_the_Air_Force

[Frank]

On 6/15/2017 11:56 AM, kick ray-ray wrote:
> On 6/15/2017 4:44 AM, Frank wrote:
>> On 6/15/2017 1:37 AM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2017 5:07 PM, Frank wrote:
>>>> On 6/14/2017 6:42 PM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>>>> On 6/14/2017 3:34 PM, Frank wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/14/2017 5:49 PM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
>>>>>>>> Nails It
>>>>>>>> --------------------
>>>>>>>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A massive steaming load of bullshit. The Vietnam war was
>>>>>>> unwinnable - period.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> America lost by electing Trump - period.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Love it or leave it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only shitbags love the debauched America Trump wants to inflict on us.
>>>>>
>>>> Even more reason for your leaving.
>>>
>>> I'm not leaving, you nutless cuck.
>>>
>> Too bad.
>
> For you, yes.
>

I know - having to live in a country with people like you.

[kick ray-ray]

I'm the one who belongs here; you don't. You are in complete opposition
to traditional and good American values. You're a stupid conformist and
militaristic fuckwit, and that's un-American. Get the fuck out.

[Preston Hamblin]

On 6/15/2017 9:12 AM, PIBB wrote:

> The posters wriggle.

Yep. There is only *ONE* Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force at any
time, and George Roof was not one of them.

[Just Wondering]

On 6/15/2017 10:08 AM, Preston Hamblin wrote:
>
> There may actually be a George Roof who was a sergeant,
> in the Air Force but he's a nobody.
>
That's Chief Master Sergeant, definitely a non-trivial
achievement, which makes him more of a somebody than you.

"Approximately one percent of the enlisted force will be chief master
sergeants. It is very difficult to attain this rank. Promotion from
senior master sergeant to chief master sergeant is also via a promotion
board. Factors include: education obtained, experiences, technical
skills, performance reports, and completion of the Senior
Noncommissioned Officer Correspondence Course."
https://www.military-ranks.org/air-force/chief-master-sergeant

Your sorry nobody ass can't even get your basic facts right.
There isn't a rank of "sergeant". The enlisted ranks and
their pay grades are:
E-1 Airman Basic
E-2 Airman
E-3 Airman First Class
E-4 Senior Airman
E-5 Staff Sergeant
E-6 Technical Sergeant
E-7 Master Sergeant
E-8 Senior Master Sergeant
E-9 Chief Master Sergeant
Chief Master Sergeant is four ranks above Staff Sergeant. Calling CMSgt
Roof "sergeant" is like calling a Brigadier General "Captain".

[de chucka]

You forgot in your E-9s
Command Chief Master Sergeant
Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force

[edhun...@gmail.com]

George Roof is a real guy, retired from the AF, now working as a taxidermist in a small (225 pop.) town in Delaware.

From his Facebook page, he's a deep-in-the-tank right-wing nutjob, supporting every right-wing, loony-tune conspiracy theory.

However, I'd like to see some of his stuffed animals. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

[Preston Hamblin]

On 6/15/2017 9:12 AM, PIBB wrote:
> On 16:49 15 Jun 2017, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>

[Just Wondering]

You're correct, but I didn't forget; those ranks are the same
pay grade as CMsgt, and don't apply to CMSgt Roof.

[de chucka]

but neither do other ranks you posted ;-)

[Just Wondering]

My ultimate purpose was to back up the fact that Hamblin is an idiot.

[max headroom]

In news:6GF0B.546$114...@fx15.iad, Just Wondering <fmh...@comcast.net> typed:

> My ultimate purpose was to back up the fact that Hamblin is an idiot.

ALL of Rudy's 'nyms are idiots. He can't help it.

[Gunner Asch]

I wonder if he will die in place or on the run?


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[kick ray-ray]

On 6/17/2017 9:28 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 07:44:31 -0400, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:
>
>> On 6/15/2017 1:37 AM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2017 5:07 PM, Frank wrote:
>>>> On 6/14/2017 6:42 PM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>>>> On 6/14/2017 3:34 PM, Frank wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/14/2017 5:49 PM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
>>>>>>>> Nails It
>>>>>>>> --------------------
>>>>>>>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A massive steaming load of bullshit. The Vietnam war was
>>>>>>> unwinnable - period.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> America lost by electing Trump - period.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Love it or leave it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only shitbags love the debauched America Trump wants to inflict on us.
>>>>>
>>>> Even more reason for your leaving.
>>>
>>> I'm not leaving, you nutless cuck.
>>>
>> Too bad.
>
> I wonder if he will die in place or on the run?

I am almost certain to die long after you do, and peacefully.

[Scout]

"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
news:5ci0B.721$T61...@fx39.iad...

> On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
>> Nails It
>> --------------------
>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>
>
> A massive steaming load of bullshit. The Vietnam war was unwinnable -
> period.

Except we had nearly won it, when the President jumped the gun and accepted
an armistice

[Scout]

"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message

news:AZi0B.1$ks...@fx25.iad...

> On 6/14/2017 3:34 PM, Frank wrote:
>> On 6/14/2017 5:49 PM, kick ray-ray wrote:

>>> On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
>>>> Nails It
>>>> --------------------
>>>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> A massive steaming load of bullshit. The Vietnam war was unwinnable -
>>> period.
>>>

>>> America lost by electing Trump - period.
>>
>> Love it or leave it.
>
> Only shitbags love the debauched America Trump wants to inflict on us.

And then you wonder why so many people in America did NOT vote for Hillary
and the liberal platform.

[kick ray-ray]

No, we had not - not even close. It really was a case of hearts and
minds, and we had neither. It was a case of the locals wanting the
colonials to get out, whoever they were - French, Japanese, Americans -
and eventually the locals were going to prevail.

It was a stupid, unwinnable war, and the Pentagon Papers proved that
everyone knew it by about 1961.

[Scout]

"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message

news:wSy0B.53$L47...@fx41.iad...

Go ahead, list for us these "traditional and good American values" which you
assert he's in complete opposition of:


This outta be good.

[Scout]

"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message

news:bve1B.16988$np2....@fx06.iad...

> On 6/17/2017 9:28 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 07:44:31 -0400, Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/15/2017 1:37 AM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>>> On 6/14/2017 5:07 PM, Frank wrote:
>>>>> On 6/14/2017 6:42 PM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/14/2017 3:34 PM, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/14/2017 5:49 PM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Nails It
>>>>>>>>> --------------------
>>>>>>>>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A massive steaming load of bullshit. The Vietnam war was
>>>>>>>> unwinnable - period.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> America lost by electing Trump - period.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Love it or leave it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only shitbags love the debauched America Trump wants to inflict on
>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Even more reason for your leaving.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not leaving, you nutless cuck.
>>>>
>>> Too bad.
>>
>> I wonder if he will die in place or on the run?
>
> I am almost certain to die long after you do, and peacefully.

So you support the repeal of Obamacare.....

[Scout]

"PaxPerPoten" <P...@USA.org> wrote in message
news:oht7if$j9c$3...@dont-email.me...

> On 6/14/2017 5:34 PM, Frank wrote:
>> On 6/14/2017 5:49 PM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>> On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
>>>> Nails It
>>>> --------------------
>>>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> A massive steaming load of bullshit. The Vietnam war was unwinnable -
>>> period.
>>>
>>> America lost by electing Trump - period.
>>
>> Love it or leave it.
>

> If we are voting...I vote for it to leave and not let door hittem in ass!
> ;-l

So when are you leaving?

[Scout]

"Fletch" <fle...@a.rd> wrote in message news:ohubdi$196q$4...@gioia.aioe.org...

Sorry, but I'm not seeing the part about military service, or rank here.

[edhun...@gmail.com]

He's thinking of slavery, hanging horse thieves, and lynching for all reasons.

If he had been here as long as my family has been, he'd include collecting bounties for Indian scalps and hanging Quakers. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

[kick ray-ray]

What she would have done would have been about as bad, but more subtle.

[raykeller]

"Scout" <me4...@centurylink.removeme.this2.net> wrote in message
news:oi40t9$46g$1...@dont-email.me...

ROTFLMAO!!!

[Scout]

"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message

news:HXg1B.13556$UG7....@fx38.iad...

> On 6/17/2017 12:46 PM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
>> news:AZi0B.1$ks...@fx25.iad...
>>> On 6/14/2017 3:34 PM, Frank wrote:
>>>> On 6/14/2017 5:49 PM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>>>> On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
>>>>>> Nails It
>>>>>> --------------------
>>>>>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A massive steaming load of bullshit. The Vietnam war was unwinnable -
>>>>> period.
>>>>>
>>>>> America lost by electing Trump - period.
>>>>
>>>> Love it or leave it.
>>>
>>> Only shitbags love the debauched America Trump wants to inflict on us.
>>
>> And then you wonder why so many people in America did NOT vote for
>> Hillary and the liberal platform.
>
> What she would have done would have been about as bad, but more subtle.

Maybe, maybe not, IMO she would have been far worse, However, what he does
seem to want and largely is trying to do is something that a lot of ordinary
people do support. Further, I would note anything underhanded he's trying to
pull isn't being rubber stamped by the party's Congressional cronies.

So all in all, that makes Trump a far favorite to anyone looking to make a
change, even hope of a change, or at worse slowing the slippage into the
abyss.

Indeed, wasn't that what Obama ran on? Hope? Change? Improving America? All
of which he failed to deliver on.

[Scout]

"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message

news:gIf1B.8823$_N3....@fx04.iad...

> On 6/17/2017 12:45 PM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
>> news:5ci0B.721$T61...@fx39.iad...
>>> On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
>>>> Nails It
>>>> --------------------
>>>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> A massive steaming load of bullshit. The Vietnam war was unwinnable -
>>> period.
>>
>> Except we had nearly won it, when the President jumped the gun and
>> accepted an armistice
>
> No, we had not - not even close. It really was a case of hearts and
> minds, and we had neither.

Maybe, but the enemy was all but ready to surrender...so maybe we didn’t
have their hearts and minds....but we certainly had them by the balls. Would
have occurred much sooner if the military wasn't being limited, regulated,
and micromanaged from DC.
Give them an objective, a specific standard of victory, and then let them do
their jobs.

[Scout]

"raykeller"
<whiney_will_have_his_nose_in_my_ass_in_3_2_1@leftards_are_loosers.com>
wrote in message news:oi4ms8$2rr$1...@dont-email.me...

Glad you approve.
:-)

[Gunner Asch]

On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 22:25:22 -0400, "Scout"
<me4...@centurylink.removeme.this2.net> wrote:

>
>
>"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
>news:gIf1B.8823$_N3....@fx04.iad...
>> On 6/17/2017 12:45 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
>>> news:5ci0B.721$T61...@fx39.iad...
>>>> On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
>>>>> Nails It
>>>>> --------------------
>>>>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A massive steaming load of bullshit. The Vietnam war was unwinnable -
>>>> period.
>>>
>>> Except we had nearly won it, when the President jumped the gun and
>>> accepted an armistice
>>
>> No, we had not - not even close. It really was a case of hearts and
>> minds, and we had neither.
>
>Maybe, but the enemy was all but ready to surrender...so maybe we didn’t
>have their hearts and minds....but we certainly had them by the balls. Would
>have occurred much sooner if the military wasn't being limited, regulated,
>and micromanaged from DC.
>Give them an objective, a specific standard of victory, and then let them do
>their jobs.
>
>

http://www.macvsog.cc/anti-war%27s_unintended_consequences.htm

[kick ray-ray]

On 6/17/2017 7:22 PM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
> news:HXg1B.13556$UG7....@fx38.iad...
>> On 6/17/2017 12:46 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in
>>> message news:AZi0B.1$ks...@fx25.iad...
>>>> On 6/14/2017 3:34 PM, Frank wrote:
>>>>> On 6/14/2017 5:49 PM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
>>>>>>> Nails It
>>>>>>> --------------------
>>>>>>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A massive steaming load of bullshit. The Vietnam war was
>>>>>> unwinnable - period.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> America lost by electing Trump - period.
>>>>>
>>>>> Love it or leave it.
>>>>
>>>> Only shitbags love the debauched America Trump wants to inflict on us.
>>>
>>> And then you wonder why so many people in America did NOT vote for
>>> Hillary and the liberal platform.
>>
>> What she would have done would have been about as bad, but more subtle.
>
> Maybe, maybe not, IMO she would have been far worse, However, what he
> does seem to want and largely is trying to do is something that a lot of
> ordinary people do support.

A large majority of people do not support anything he wants to do.

[kick ray-ray]

On 6/17/2017 7:25 PM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
> news:gIf1B.8823$_N3....@fx04.iad...
>> On 6/17/2017 12:45 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in
>>> message news:5ci0B.721$T61...@fx39.iad...
>>>> On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
>>>>> Nails It
>>>>> --------------------
>>>>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A massive steaming load of bullshit. The Vietnam war was unwinnable
>>>> - period.
>>>
>>> Except we had nearly won it, when the President jumped the gun and
>>> accepted an armistice
>>
>> No, we had not - not even close. It really was a case of hearts and
>> minds, and we had neither.
>
> Maybe, but the enemy was all but ready to surrender

Bullshit. Not even close.

[Scout]

"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message

news:Khm1B.22761$Jz4....@fx21.iad...

> On 6/17/2017 7:25 PM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
>> news:gIf1B.8823$_N3....@fx04.iad...
>>> On 6/17/2017 12:45 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
>>>> news:5ci0B.721$T61...@fx39.iad...
>>>>> On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
>>>>>> Nails It
>>>>>> --------------------
>>>>>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A massive steaming load of bullshit. The Vietnam war was unwinnable -
>>>>> period.
>>>>
>>>> Except we had nearly won it, when the President jumped the gun and
>>>> accepted an armistice
>>>
>>> No, we had not - not even close. It really was a case of hearts and
>>> minds, and we had neither.
>>
>> Maybe, but the enemy was all but ready to surrender
>
> Bullshit. Not even close.

Not according to history and the commanding generals after the armistice.

Victory was delayed so long because the military was restricted, limited,
regulated, controlled and micromanaged to such a degree that it was nearly
impossible to conduct missions, and often because of the delays of having to
get permission and authorization missions were based on such out of date
intelligence as to be all but meaningless. Washington regularly ignored the
advice of those engaged in the missions and regularly ordered mission that
served no useful purpose. Key military targets were placed off limits giving
the VC key areas in which they could amass arms, supplies and men that could
only be addressed after they were deployed into combat and then only after
getting authorization for missions for depots and bases that were regularly
moved to avoid such delayed strikes.

Even then what successful missions that were made were then torn apart and
used to crucify those trying to fight the conflict with one foot in a
bucket, and both hands tied behind their backs. Even then the military
continued to wear down the enemy and slowly deny them the means to prosecute
the war.

[Scout]

"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message

news:ihm1B.22760$Jz4....@fx21.iad...

> On 6/17/2017 7:22 PM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
>> news:HXg1B.13556$UG7....@fx38.iad...
>>> On 6/17/2017 12:46 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
>>>> news:AZi0B.1$ks...@fx25.iad...
>>>>> On 6/14/2017 3:34 PM, Frank wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/14/2017 5:49 PM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
>>>>>>>> Nails It
>>>>>>>> --------------------
>>>>>>>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A massive steaming load of bullshit. The Vietnam war was
>>>>>>> unwinnable - period.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> America lost by electing Trump - period.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Love it or leave it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only shitbags love the debauched America Trump wants to inflict on us.
>>>>
>>>> And then you wonder why so many people in America did NOT vote for
>>>> Hillary and the liberal platform.
>>>
>>> What she would have done would have been about as bad, but more subtle.
>>
>> Maybe, maybe not, IMO she would have been far worse, However, what he
>> does seem to want and largely is trying to do is something that a lot of
>> ordinary people do support.
>
> A large majority of people do not support anything he wants to do.

Of course, because they wouldn't support anything any conservative wanted to
do. They have absolutely no respect, or even willingness to allow someone
else to try another way. Even compromise isn't an option, since in the
manner liberals speak of compromise means they get things they want, and
don't offer anything in return. That's not compromise.

All I can say is enough people saw no advantage to Obama III and knew the
character, or rather lack of it, in Hillary Clinton to get Trump elected

IMO, the Democrats lost the election when the DNC rigged the nomination.
Which just goes to show what sort of people the leaders of the Democrats
are. More concerned with what they want than what the members of the party
want.

Seems the corruption of the DNC finally got the better of them.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Scout" <me4...@centurylink.removeme.this2.net> wrote in message

news:oi4o45$6mc$1...@dont-email.me...

We crushed the VC. The North withdrew their support and excluded them
from government when it finally took over.

After most US forces had left North Vietnam invaded with a huge
conventional army that South Vietnam defeated in combat, but lost to
at the negotiating table. Vietnam was only a pawn in the game between
superpowers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Offensive

Vietnam no longer mattered once Nixon had normalized relations with
China. We originally became involved to block Chinese expansion into
Southeast Asia, then continued on momentum and pride when it became
evident that China lacked sufficient interest to risk the consequences
and North Vietnam would resist them.
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/27-days-hell-when-china-vietnam-went-war-19596

Reportedly Vietnam received Soviet satellite photos to track and
ambush Chinese movements. I can't confirm that.
-jsw

[Buzz Forward]

Complete bullshit. The south Vietnamese scattered and ran.

[kick ray-ray]

On 6/17/2017 8:59 PM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
> news:Khm1B.22761$Jz4....@fx21.iad...
>> On 6/17/2017 7:25 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in
>>> message news:gIf1B.8823$_N3....@fx04.iad...
>>>> On 6/17/2017 12:45 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in
>>>>> message news:5ci0B.721$T61...@fx39.iad...
>>>>>> On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
>>>>>>> Nails It
>>>>>>> --------------------
>>>>>>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A massive steaming load of bullshit. The Vietnam war was
>>>>>> unwinnable - period.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except we had nearly won it, when the President jumped the gun and
>>>>> accepted an armistice
>>>>
>>>> No, we had not - not even close. It really was a case of hearts and
>>>> minds, and we had neither.
>>>
>>> Maybe, but the enemy was all but ready to surrender
>>
>> Bullshit. Not even close.
>
> Not according to history

<chuckle>

> and the commanding generals after the armistice.

More bullshit.

Look: you pro-military rah-rah guys are wrong. History - *real*
history - say you're wrong. The war was never winnable, and in fact it
was lost. It was a stupid waste of 58,000 American lives, and millions
of Vietnamese lives. The place went commie and it mattered not one bit
to America.

[kick ray-ray]

No, that's false - not just false, but a thorough lie. Trump, of
course, is no conservative - not even close to being one. The reason a
large majority - including a substantial percentage of *real*
conservatives - don't support Trump is because he is incompetent and
entirely unpresidential. He is corrupt and was in violation of the
emoluments clause on day one of his presidency. He is a stupid,
inarticulate, vengeful and small-minded person, and he isn't doing what
he said he was going to do. In fact, he isn't really doing much of
anything. Virtually nothing of his "first 100 days" agenda has been
achieved. That's actually a good thing, because virtually all of what
he wanted to do is bad and wrong and should not be done.

Trump is always bellyaching about "fake news". Not one thing said about
him in the mainstream media has been false. Every single thing reported
has been borne out. Trump and his diehard blind supporters call things
"fake news" that are in fact real, but that show Trump in an
unflattering light. They're not fake - none of them.

Trump has no principles except for self-enrichment. Self-enrichment
isn't necessarily bad /per se/, but it's really bad in a president, and
particularly when it's the only value to which he clings.

[rbowman]

On 06/18/2017 09:08 AM, kick ray-ray wrote:
> No, that's false - not just false, but a thorough lie. Trump, of
> course, is no conservative - not even close to being one. The reason a
> large majority - including a substantial percentage of *real*
> conservatives - don't support Trump is because he is incompetent and
> entirely unpresidential. He is corrupt and was in violation of the
> emoluments clause on day one of his presidency. He is a stupid,
> inarticulate, vengeful and small-minded person, and he isn't doing what
> he said he was going to do. In fact, he isn't really doing much of
> anything. Virtually nothing of his "first 100 days" agenda has been
> achieved. That's actually a good thing, because virtually all of what
> he wanted to do is bad and wrong and should not be done.

Right. And Clinton won by a real landslide like Lyndon Johnson did the
last time the Republicans ran an unpopular candidate that had little
support by his party.

[kick ray-ray]

Clinton did, of course, win the popular vote by a big margin.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

That makes her loss even more satisfying.

[kick ray-ray]

It was the worst choice ever faced by the American people. Clinton
would have been very bad for the country. Trump is demonstrating he is
worse, and it was always clear he was going to be very bad.

There is no principled justification for the electoral college. It
never was intended to serve and never did serve any of the
civics-textbooks nonsense claimed by its supporters. Every argument
advanced in favor of it is specious. It is a relic of slavery, and only
came into existence because the slave states insisted up on it. The
only *real* reason anyone - exclusively Republicans - supports it today
is because it is the only way a non-incumbent Republican can win the
presidency. For the foreseeable future, any non-incumbent Republican
who wins the presidency will have lost the popular vote. That is bad
and wrong.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 09:26:54 -0700, kick ray-ray

LOL

Go ahead and change the Constitution, then. In the mean time, we will
enjoy the many obvious benefits envisioned by the Founding Fathers in
the Electoral College that you can't hope to comprehend.

[kick ray-ray]

I recognize fully the difficulty in amending the Constitution to abolish
the electoral college. That does not mean it shouldn't be abolished -
it should be.

The founders didn't really elaborate any meaningful benefits for it.
The history of the convention makes clear that Madison favored direct
popular election of the president, as did numerous others. It was the
slave states that held out for some other method, because they knew that
no southerner would ever win without it. They got extra - and 100%
unwarranted - representation in the electoral college due slaves who
couldn't vote. The electoral college system we have isn't even the
original one envisioned by the founders - it was heavily modified in the
12th amendment. Any supposedly "principled" reasons for it were eliminated.

It is a principle of republican government that a people should choose
their representatives, including the executive; and the choice should be
made as democratically as possible. The electoral college is a
deviation, unjustified, from that principle. As noted, the only reason
it continues to exist today is because a non-incumbent candidate from
the minority party can't get elected without it. That's not a
principled reason to maintain it.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 10:03:56 -0700, kick ray-ray

I LOVE the "slave state" argument.

[kick ray-ray]

It's the correct explanation. Read the notes of the convention.
Madison himself even noted it.

It's also the consensus of historians.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 10:25:18 -0700, kick ray-ray

No, it's totally INCORRECT.

In order to understand it, you have to be able to understand that the
President is elected by the people AND the states, and that the EC
protects the small states from the larger states, just as it was
intended to do.

[kick ray-ray]

It is the correct explanation.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/electoral-college-slavery-constitution/
http://time.com/4558510/electoral-college-history-slavery/
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/the-electoral-college-was-explicitly-designed-to-protect-slavery/
http://www.salon.com/2016/12/15/the-electoral-college-born-of-slavery-could-stand-against-racism-in-2016/

There are many more.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 10:36:08 -0700, kick ray-ray

>http://time.com/
>http://www.rawstory.com/
>http://www.salon.com/
>
>There are many more.

Yes, the Internet is FILLED with leftist propaganda sites.

[edhun...@gmail.com]

"...to consider the will of the society enounced by the majority of a single vote as sacred as if unanimous is the first of all lessons in importance, yet the last which is thoroughly learnt. This law once disregarded, no other remains but that of force, which ends necessarily in military despotism." --Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, 1817.

"Every idea of proportion and every rule of fair representation conspire to condemn a principle, which gives to Rhode Island an equal weight in the scale of power with Massachusetts, or Connecticut, or New York; and to Delaware an equal voice in the national deliberations with Pennsylvania, or Virginia, or North Carolina. Its operation contradicts the fundamental maxim of republican government, which requires that the sense of the majority should prevail." -- Hamilton, Federalist #22

"If a faction consists of less than a majority, relief is supplied by the republican principle, which enables the majority to defeat its sinister views by regular vote. It may clog the administration, it may convulse the society; but it will be unable to execute and mask its violence under the forms of the Constitution." -- Madison, Federalist #10

So much for our minority president, Donald Fubar. If he ever gets around to reading the Constitution, the Federalist Papers and the First Congress's debates, he's in for a few surprises.

--
Ed Huntress

[kick ray-ray]

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/original-sin-electoral-college-proslavery-tool/
http://news.wgbh.org/2016/12/06/news/yes-electoral-college-really-vestige-slavery-its-time-get-rid-it

This is the consensus of historians.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 10:51:35 -0700, kick ray-ray

Of SOME historians. Everybody's got an opinion.

[Just Wondering]

Good luck with getting three-fourths of the states to vote to repeal it.

[kick ray-ray]

"Consensus" means most. It is.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 11:00:08 -0700, kick ray-ray

[chuckle]

If you say so. After all, it's the "popular" vote we're worried about,
right?

[kick ray-ray]

I don't know how hard it would be. Does Wyoming *really* think it has
any influence in determining the president? Maybe.

There is another amendment that passed that is very surprising: the
17th, providing for direct election of senators rather than appointment
by state legislatures? Why on earth would state legislatures vote in
favor of giving up a power they enjoyed? Yet they did.

Only the very smallest states enjoy much in the way of disproportionate
representation in the electoral college, and there aren't that many of
them. For the big cluster of states in the middle, there is no
advantage to the college at all. It isn't outside the realm of
possibility that they would vote to ratify an amendment abolishing it.

The essential point is to establish that there is no valid and
principled purpose to it today. Keeping it because it gives a minority
party a power it wouldn't otherwise have is not principled, it's cynical.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 11:10:37 -0700, kick ray-ray
<ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote:

>There is another amendment that passed that is very surprising: the
>17th, providing for direct election of senators rather than appointment
>by state legislatures? Why on earth would state legislatures vote in
>favor of giving up a power they enjoyed? Yet they did.

That was a complete mistake. They should never have done it, and the
country started going into the toilet from that moment onward.

[Just Wondering]

And all are left-wing political puff pieces.
just as many put the bullshit label on the slave state claim.

http://www.historycentral.com/elections/Electoralcollgewhy.html

[kick ray-ray]

In this case, the consensus is one of experts, not just the man in the
street.

[kick ray-ray]

I can see sound arguments against it. The upper chamber in most other
countries is appointed rather than elected.

My point in bringing it up is that on the surface, it would have
appeared that a solid majority of states ought to have been opposed to
the 17th, yet it was ratified. That suggests that an amendment to
abolish electoral college, a vestige of slavery, could be ratified as well.

[kick ray-ray]

They aren't. Only one of those sites can legitimately be called
left-wing, and ironically, one of the points they made is that the
electoral college might well have prevented Trump. However, their
analysis about the electoral college's existence being due solely to
slavery is right.

Simply disparaging the messenger doesn't work.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 11:55:57 -0700, kick ray-ray

So you claim. But then, we'd have to see a list of all the "experts,"
sported by their degrees and levels of expertise, to see if it's truly
a 'consensus."

And since it's merely people's opinions, it doesn't matter if a
majority 'believes" one way or another.

ANd, finally, a majority doesn't make it right, otherwise black people
would still be drinking from separate water fountains.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 11:59:37 -0700, kick ray-ray

ROFLMAO

[rbowman]

On 06/18/2017 12:10 PM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>
> I don't know how hard it would be. Does Wyoming *really* think it has
> any influence in determining the president? Maybe.

Montana certainly doesn't. We *may* see a presidential candidate during
the primaries. Both Obama and Clinton came to town in 2008. Obama filled
the university center and the adjacent football stadium; Clinton
attracted a few people to a hangar at the airport. Sanders came in 2016.
Bill Clinton passed through Billings. Hillary may have remembered her
not-so-warm welcome in 2008.

That is the rub. Do we think we have any influence on the federal
government? Not to any extent. Do we agree with the federal policies?
Not to any extent.

When you watch the election coverage and their breathless reporting
about the 'battleground' states, that wouldn't be us.

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 09:51:52 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>

wrote:

>On 06/18/2017 09:08 AM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>> No, that's false - not just false, but a thorough lie. Trump, of
>> course, is no conservative - not even close to being one. The reason a
>> large majority - including a substantial percentage of *real*
>> conservatives - don't support Trump is because he is incompetent and
>> entirely unpresidential. He is corrupt and was in violation of the
>> emoluments clause on day one of his presidency. He is a stupid,
>> inarticulate, vengeful and small-minded person, and he isn't doing what
>> he said he was going to do. In fact, he isn't really doing much of
>> anything. Virtually nothing of his "first 100 days" agenda has been
>> achieved. That's actually a good thing, because virtually all of what
>> he wanted to do is bad and wrong and should not be done.
>
>Right. And Clinton won by a real landslide like Lyndon Johnson did the
>last time the Republicans ran an unpopular candidate that had little
>support by his party.

Actually...when the fraudulent votes are removed...Clinton barely
squeaked in a majority vote.

Barely..maybe..possibly.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/seven-reasons-why-hillary-clinton-lost-and-donald-trump-won

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/

https://thehornnews.com/12-clinton-linked-dems-arrested-voter-fraud-scheme/

etc etc etc.....

Which is absolutely funny when reading articles from the
WAPO....snicker....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/0-000002-percent-of-all-the-ballots-cast-in-the-2016-election-were-fraudulent/?utm_term=.edc1fb81f7e5

ROFLMAO!!!

http://nbc4i.com/2017/03/13/report-17-year-olds-voted-illegally-in-wisconsin-primary/

https://electionfraud2016.wordpress.com/

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4578575/clinton-voter-fraud-polk-county-iowa-caucus

https://www.infowars.com/vote-fraud-in-michigan-favored-hillary-clinton-not-trump/

Clinton did NOT win by a landslide..if she won the popular vote at
all. Anyone who believes differently..is butt ignorant...or a drone
of the DNC


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In news:Amz1B.45799$OD2....@fx44.iad, kick ray-ray <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> typed:

> Only the very smallest states enjoy much in the way of disproportionate
> representation in the electoral college, and there aren't that many of
> them. For the big cluster of states in the middle, there is no

> advantage to the college at all....

Without it, all candidates would campaign like Mrs BJ-- hitting the big populated states and
ignoring the rest.

Good luck getting 3/4 of them to approve that.

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In news:G4z1B.22919$_25....@fx09.iad, kick ray-ray <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> typed:

Why didn't you throw in Mother Jones, HuffPo, and Daily Kos for good measure?

[snort]

[kick ray-ray]

Not an answer.

[edhun...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, June 18, 2017 at 3:52:58 PM UTC-4, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 09:51:52 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On 06/18/2017 09:08 AM, kick ray-ray wrote:
> >> No, that's false - not just false, but a thorough lie. Trump, of
> >> course, is no conservative - not even close to being one. The reason a
> >> large majority - including a substantial percentage of *real*
> >> conservatives - don't support Trump is because he is incompetent and
> >> entirely unpresidential. He is corrupt and was in violation of the
> >> emoluments clause on day one of his presidency. He is a stupid,
> >> inarticulate, vengeful and small-minded person, and he isn't doing what
> >> he said he was going to do. In fact, he isn't really doing much of
> >> anything. Virtually nothing of his "first 100 days" agenda has been
> >> achieved. That's actually a good thing, because virtually all of what
> >> he wanted to do is bad and wrong and should not be done.
> >
> >Right. And Clinton won by a real landslide like Lyndon Johnson did the
> >last time the Republicans ran an unpopular candidate that had little
> >support by his party.
>
>
> Actually...when the fraudulent votes are removed...Clinton barely
> squeaked in a majority vote.
>
> Barely..maybe..possibly.

Bullshit. See below.

>
> http://www.thedailybeast.com/seven-reasons-why-hillary-clinton-lost-and-donald-trump-won

NOT ONE WORD about fraudulent votes! Instead, this is what Alter said:

"Talk radio. Jobs. Sexism. As the fallout over Trump’s presidential victory rages, here’s a deeper look at what made it happen...

"During her Saturday conference call with donors, Hillary Clinton blamed FBI Director James Comey’s late hits on her email fiasco for costing her critical votes from college-educated white women and thus the election.
In a contest decided by a mere 112,000 votes across three states, that may be true."

>
> http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/

Richman's statistics have been blasted by most experts, but here's what he said about it himself:

“Is it plausible that non-citizen votes added to Clinton’s margin? Yes,” Mr. Richman wrote. “Is it plausible that non-citizen votes account for the entire nation-wide popular vote margin held by Clinton? Not at all.”

Richman's speculative conclusion is that, in the worst case, it amounted to less than 1/4 of the margin (he estimated that 19% of the fraudulent votes went to Trump). But even that is widely disputed.

>
> https://thehornnews.com/12-clinton-linked-dems-arrested-voter-fraud-scheme/

Jesus, Robert. That's a story about 12 fraudulent REGISTRATIONS. There was no implication that they involved VOTES. That's the old pumping-the-registrations scam, which has been going on from both sides since he beginning of time.

It has NOTHING to do with fraudulent votes.

> etc etc etc.....
>
> Which is absolutely funny when reading articles from the
> WAPO....snicker....

I thought you were smarter than the bullshitters. What in the hell is wrong with you here?

--
Ed Huntress

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On 6/18/2017 12:52 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 09:51:52 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 06/18/2017 09:08 AM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>> No, that's false - not just false, but a thorough lie. Trump, of
>>> course, is no conservative - not even close to being one. The reason a
>>> large majority - including a substantial percentage of *real*
>>> conservatives - don't support Trump is because he is incompetent and
>>> entirely unpresidential. He is corrupt and was in violation of the
>>> emoluments clause on day one of his presidency. He is a stupid,
>>> inarticulate, vengeful and small-minded person, and he isn't doing what
>>> he said he was going to do. In fact, he isn't really doing much of
>>> anything. Virtually nothing of his "first 100 days" agenda has been
>>> achieved. That's actually a good thing, because virtually all of what
>>> he wanted to do is bad and wrong and should not be done.
>>
>> Right. And Clinton won by a real landslide like Lyndon Johnson did the
>> last time the Republicans ran an unpopular candidate that had little
>> support by his party.
>
>
> Actually...when the fraudulent votes are removed..

No documented fraudulent votes. This has been dismissed.

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In news:1zB1B.13676$ks6....@fx25.iad, kick ray-ray <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> typed:

> On 6/18/2017 12:52 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 09:51:52 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
>> wrote:

>>> Right. And Clinton won by a real landslide like Lyndon Johnson did the
>>> last time the Republicans ran an unpopular candidate that had little
>>> support by his party.

>> Actually...when the fraudulent votes are removed..

> No documented fraudulent votes. This has been dismissed.

Hey, that was really cute how you snipped off his supporting links and then claim no documentation.
You must be a real shithead to play cards with.

How many casinos have banned you?

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"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
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> On 6/17/2017 9:07 PM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
>> news:ihm1B.22760$Jz4....@fx21.iad...
>>> On 6/17/2017 7:22 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message
>>>> news:HXg1B.13556$UG7....@fx38.iad...
>>>>> On 6/17/2017 12:46 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in
>>>>>> message news:AZi0B.1$ks...@fx25.iad...
>>>>>>> On 6/14/2017 3:34 PM, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/14/2017 5:49 PM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/14/2017 2:03 PM, raykeller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Nails It
>>>>>>>>>> --------------------
>>>>>>>>>> A Hell of a letter!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A massive steaming load of bullshit. The Vietnam war was
>>>>>>>>> unwinnable - period.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> America lost by electing Trump - period.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Love it or leave it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only shitbags love the debauched America Trump wants to inflict on
>>>>>>> us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And then you wonder why so many people in America did NOT vote for
>>>>>> Hillary and the liberal platform.
>>>>>
>>>>> What she would have done would have been about as bad, but more
>>>>> subtle.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe, maybe not, IMO she would have been far worse, However, what he
>>>> does seem to want and largely is trying to do is something that a lot
>>>> of ordinary people do support.
>>>
>>> A large majority of people do not support anything he wants to do.
>>
>> Of course, because they wouldn't support anything any conservative wanted
>> to do.

>
> No, that's false - not just false, but a thorough lie.

Ok, please indicate even ONE conservative agenda of Trump's that has any
sort of broad support from liberals.

-----> Insert answer and cite here.

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"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message

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> On 6/18/2017 8:51 AM, rbowman wrote:
>> On 06/18/2017 09:08 AM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>> No, that's false - not just false, but a thorough lie. Trump, of
>>> course, is no conservative - not even close to being one. The reason a
>>> large majority - including a substantial percentage of *real*
>>> conservatives - don't support Trump is because he is incompetent and
>>> entirely unpresidential. He is corrupt and was in violation of the
>>> emoluments clause on day one of his presidency. He is a stupid,
>>> inarticulate, vengeful and small-minded person, and he isn't doing what
>>> he said he was going to do. In fact, he isn't really doing much of
>>> anything. Virtually nothing of his "first 100 days" agenda has been
>>> achieved. That's actually a good thing, because virtually all of what
>>> he wanted to do is bad and wrong and should not be done.
>>

>> Right. And Clinton won by a real landslide like Lyndon Johnson did the
>> last time the Republicans ran an unpopular candidate that had little
>> support by his party.
>

> Clinton did, of course, win the popular vote by a big margin.

Which is utterly irrelevant to the issue of whether she won the election.

It's like saying a football team moved the ball for the most yards or that a
baseball team hit the ball more.....interesting, but irrelevant to the
numbers on the score board.

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"kick ray-ray" <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote in message

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> On 6/18/2017 9:16 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 09:14:44 -0700, kick ray-ray
>> <ray.keeler.W...@obvious.con> wrote:
>>

>>> On 6/18/2017 8:51 AM, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On 06/18/2017 09:08 AM, kick ray-ray wrote:
>>>>> No, that's false - not just false, but a thorough lie. Trump, of
>>>>> course, is no conservative - not even close to being one. The reason
>>>>> a
>>>>> large majority - including a substantial percentage of *real*
>>>>> conservatives - don't support Trump is because he is incompetent and
>>>>> entirely unpresidential. He is corrupt and was in violation of the
>>>>> emoluments clause on day one of his presidency. He is a stupid,
>>>>> inarticulate, vengeful and small-minded person, and he isn't doing
>>>>> what
>>>>> he said he was going to do. In fact, he isn't really doing much of
>>>>> anything. Virtually nothing of his "first 100 days" agenda has been
>>>>> achieved. That's actually a good thing, because virtually all of what
>>>>> he wanted to do is bad and wrong and should not be done.
>>>>
>>>> Right. And Clinton won by a real landslide like Lyndon Johnson did the
>>>> last time the Republicans ran an unpopular candidate that had little
>>>> support by his party.
>>>
>>> Clinton did, of course, win the popular vote by a big margin.
>>

>> That makes her loss even more satisfying.
>
> It was the worst choice ever faced by the American people. Clinton would
> have been very bad for the country. Trump is demonstrating he is worse,
> and it was always clear he was going to be very bad.

On the contrary, despite nearly a year of investigation there is still no
evidence that Trump or his champaign did anything illegal, immoral, or
unethical....

Hillary on the other hand was exposed as a lying criminal who had been
proven to have committed multiple felonies while in government service, and
that within a matter of a couple of months. Nevermind the money the
Clinton's got from foreign governments and individuals while she was
Secretary of State.


So, I have to disagree that Hillary would have been better for the country
because it's already been proven that she carried nothing about the law, and
everything about lining her own pockets while holding a government position.