An open letter to President Obama

[Ray Keller]

This is one of the best, informative, critically true critiques of a human,
without scruples, that I have ever read.

.

http://www.wlap.com/pages/MattWalsh.html

An open letter to President Obama


Posted on October 3, 2013 by The Matt Walsh Blog


Dear President Obama,


You strike me as the sort of man who spends a lot of time staring at his own
reflection. I wonder, what do you see when you gaze so admiringly at
yourself? What image do you find in that mirror of yours? Let me guess: a
graceful Greek god with a golden crown, draped in luxurious robes, perched on
a giant, magnificent throne atop a mountain in the sky? You see a throng of
angels singing your praises and masses of subservient peasants prostrated
before you, trembling with fear and awe? You see a man who is more than a
man, and a president who transcends the presidency; you see a historic figure
of immortal importance?


Yeah, that's what I thought, and I can't blame you, Mr. President. By all
accounts, you've always been an arrogant, haughty narcissist - and that was
before you became president. Your supporters and your enemies may argue over
whether you descended from heaven on the back of a Pegasus, or were birthed
from the bowels of Hell to bring about a Biblical apocalypse, but they both
agree on one thing: you are a figure of great significance and immense power.
You are either the anti-Christ or the Second Coming, with no room for
anything in-between. Surely, this talk might cause even a humble man to slip
into a state of vanity and pride, so I can only imagine what it must do to a
man such as yourself, already so aloof and so conceited.


That's why I'm writing this letter. My impression of you is quite different,
and it has only been solidified by your performance during this
shutdown/Obamacare debate. I find you to be a very small man, Mr. President.
Far from larger than life, you are petty, frivolous, pathetic; sneering and
pompous but also trifling and narrow. I don't mean to dismiss or
underestimate the damage you have done to this nation - it has certainly been
profound and lasting - but I want you to know that your legacy will not be
one of grandeur and brilliance; it will be the legacy of a shameless,
desperate bully. Both your opponents and your proponents hoist you up as a
world leader with a grand vision, whether benevolent or malevolent. I, on the
other hand, believe you have the vision of a temperamental two year old. You
simply want to feel like you're in control; you want to "win," you want
everybody in the room to pay attention to you, and you'll stomp your feet and
whine until you get your way. You govern like a coddled toddler; it's
inappropriate to pejoratively refer to you as a "dictator," but only because
it lends you a certain unwarranted credibility. I think you wish to be a
dictator, but instead you're just a bumbling bureaucrat; easily replaced and
even more easily forgotten. You have the ethics of Genghis Khan, but the
leadership skills of Michael Scott. This is why we are forced to witness the
spectacle of, for instance, our president brazenly threatening to invade
another nation for no reason, only to clumsily abandon the idea after being
publicly spanked by Putin.


Your legacy, Mr. President, will be defined by small, shameful things, as
your presidency has been primarily a succession of small, shameful things.
The platitudes you spouted during your campaign- the theatrics, the pomp, the
hype - have all faded. Replaced by the scheming partisan machinations that
have come to define your tenure.


Every president has a moment that encapsulates their time in office; your
moment, Mr. President, happened this week. Sure, future generations will look
at you with mockery and scorn because of bigger scandals - Benghazi, the IRS
targeting conservatives, Obamacare, the birth control mandate and your
attacks on religious liberty, spying on journalists, arming terrorists
overseas, Fast and Furious, the green energy scams, the bailouts, your
support for infanticide, the billions you've given to the abortion industry,
your cowardice in refusing to address the Gosnell murders, your reckless
exploitation of the Zimmerman trial, the out of control deficit spending,
your refusal to enforce immigration laws, the massive expansion of the
Welfare State, the lies, the broken promises, etc - but I think, in an
understated way, what you've done this week is a better microcosm of your
entire reign.


I'm not just referring to the fact that you are peddling the lie that
"Republicans" have "shutdown the government,"when, in fact, they have
attempted to pass several bills that would fund the government. Mr.
President, you tell these fables to the trained seals in the media and your
voting base, but you know darn well that any American with a capacity for
critical thought will roundly reject this absurd narrative. YOU have chosen
to "shut down" the government because you have made Obamacare the ultimate
priority. You have said, "Obamacare or nothing," and then accused Republicans
of being the "hostage takers." They are holding the government hostage by
trying to fund it? What a silly idea. But then, you are a silly, ridiculous
president. Speaking of which, this takes us right to your defining moment:
barricading memorials and monuments in a ploy to win an argument.


Comparatively insignificant when stacked up against your war crimes and
constitutional infringements, but it is nonetheless an apt illustration. The
Lincoln Memorial is just a giant statue. There isn't any reason why people
shouldn't be able to look at a statue during a government shutdown. In past
shutdowns, the memorials were open, with only the information centers closing
down. The Lincoln Memorial has never been completely closed off from the
public until now. You have decided to spend money to block and guard open-air
monuments, when it would be cheaper, require less staff, and be less onerous
to simply leave them be. Is this some sort of bizarre punitive measure
against the American taxpayer?


Infamously, you even attempted to stop WW2 veterans from visiting the WW2
memorial. That memorial is mostly privately funded, and is open 24 hours a
day. You SPENT MONEY to physically guard the monument from a group of elderly
war veterans. This is truly unprecedented. We have had horrible presidents in
the past, but none quite so shallow, cheap and contemptible. You tried to
close down Mt. Vernon, which is privately funded, but had to settle for
closing its parking lot - even though the parking lot requires no immediate
on-going maintenance or surveillance from any federal workers. Did you have
to shut down the Normandy cemetery and memorial? Are we saving money that
way? I doubt it.


It's the same game you played during the sequester, and it comes as no
surprise to those of us who pay attention (which means it came as a surprise
to a large number of people). Rather than leading like a statesman, you hide
in the shadows; scheming, conniving, exploiting. You emerge only to make
hyper-partisan speeches, with rhetoric best left to Democratic talking heads
on afternoon cable news shows. Far from being a "new kind of politician" (as
you were advertised), you are the most political politician this country has
ever seen. You are political to your core, in your essence, at an atomic
level, and so you are unable to offer any direction or clarity when the
nation needs it most. Sometimes, Mr. President, the affairs of this nation
require a man, not a politician, and it is during those times that you are
especially useless. You don't have any interest in fixing our present crisis
because you're too busy finding ways to keep a busload of 90 year old war
veterans from looking at a memorial.


Closing down parks, monuments and memorials just to score political points is
hardly your most insidious deed, but it's certainly one of your pettiest.
That's why it stands, ironically, as a monument of its own. If we ever build
a statue of you, Mr. President, you won't be triumphantly holding a flaming
torch like Lady Liberty, or standing authoritatively with a look of
determination, like the MLK memorial. No, it will be a statue of you pulling
the wings off of a fly, or spitting in someone's orange juice. It will show
you in your essence, as monuments are meant to do. It will show you as a
petulant, skulking, juvenile bully. It will you show you as you are.


And we'll make sure it's always open, especially during a government shut
down.


Sincerely,


Matt Walsh

[Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names]

Sounds as though Matt's been drinking the rightwingnutjob Kool-Aid and
feeding at the Fox trough.

That, plus, he's jealous of Obama.

[Sam]

On 11/2/2013 1:55 PM, Ray Keller wrote:
> This is one of the best, informative, critically true critiques of a human,
> without scruples, that I have ever read.
>
> .

Is this the best he could do ?

Hahahaa -- Obama uses people like you and Walsh for toilet paper !

[Gunner Asch]

Notice that "Sam" attacks the poster and has nothing to say about the
contents of the message?

The message is very accurate. So "Sam" has to divert and go for the
person who forwarded it on for our reading...in some inane hope that
doing so..will cloud over the contents of the post.

Typical of the Leftwing mindset (such as it is) with no redeeming
values, no content and poorly written. And of course..typical of the
rancid spew that Leftwingers constantly post, both on their blogs and
in the MSM..and here of course on Usenet.

Sammy boi..come back when you can refute the contents of the post and
not try to divert everyones attention from the post by your buffoonish
attempts at blackening the poster.

Gunner

--
"Their mommies tell them they're special, Liberals just don't understand
that "special" is a polite euphemism for;
*window licker on the short bus*"

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[RogerN]

"Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names" wrote in message
news:k0ja79h5n5m1ct0cp...@6ax.com...

>
>Sounds as though Matt's been drinking the rightwingnutjob Kool-Aid and
>feeding at the Fox trough.
>
>That, plus, he's jealous of Obama.

Do you like Obama's Kool-Aid?

Irony: some vote for Obama over jobs and healthcare, then find themselves
working part time and losing their insurance. Is that the change they hoped
for?

They call you a libtard to not insult mentally retarded people.

RogerN

[Sam]

On 11/2/2013 2:52 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
.
>> Is this the best he could do ?
>>
>> Hahahaa -- Obama uses people like you and Walsh for toilet paper !
>>
>
> Notice that "Sam" attacks the poster and has nothing to say about the
> contents of the message?
>
> The message is very accurate.

None of it is accurate. It is an opinion from a victimized. depraved,
sore loser.

[Gunner Asch]

Notice Sam in denial and rage....pathetic little boi....

[pyotr filipivich]

"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> on Sat, 2 Nov 2013 16:17:11 -0500 typed
in misc.survivalism the following:

Kissing ass is just hoping that nobody else notices that he has
not a single rebuttal tot he argument, and can only attack the
messenger. He's just as pathetic, if not more so, that Obama.


tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.

[Guy Fawkes]

Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names <PopUl...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:k0ja79h5n5m1ct0cp...@6ax.com:

> Sounds as though Matt's been drinking the rightwingnutjob Kool-Aid and
> feeding at the Fox trough.
>
> That, plus, he's jealous of Obama.

Why? Obama is going to be essentially a footnote and an object lesson.

--
There is no court for his crimes.

"V"

[Guy Fawkes]

Sam <S...@nomail.com> wrote in news:l53t3t$v8a$1...@dont-email.me:

Really? You mean he didn't blame the Republicans for shutting down the
government?

[Guy Fawkes]

Sam <S...@nomail.com> wrote in news:l53t3t$v8a$1...@dont-email.me:

BTW, you are a zipperhead. You don't seem smart enough to be a kommisar.

Now that may be good for you. Kommisars will be killed out of hand. They
are incurable and carriers of the disease.

Zipperheads aren't very bright but there are degrees. The trainable ones
can be useful. But the untrainable ones are like dogs with rabies. I love
dogs, but rabid ones are dangerous. it's not thier fault, it's just the way
it is.

So there is hope for you.

[Tom Gardner]

On 11/2/2013 11:31 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> on Sat, 2 Nov 2013 16:17:11 -0500 typed
> in misc.survivalism the following:
>> "Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names" wrote in message
>> news:k0ja79h5n5m1ct0cp...@6ax.com...
>>>
>>> Sounds as though Matt's been drinking the rightwingnutjob Kool-Aid and
>>> feeding at the Fox trough.
>>>
>>> That, plus, he's jealous of Obama.
>>
>> Do you like Obama's Kool-Aid?
>>
>> Irony: some vote for Obama over jobs and healthcare, then find themselves
>> working part time and losing their insurance. Is that the change they hoped
>> for?
>>
>> They call you a libtard to not insult mentally retarded people.
>
> Kissing ass is just hoping that nobody else notices that he has
> not a single rebuttal tot he argument, and can only attack the
> messenger. He's just as pathetic, if not more so, that Obama.
>
>
> tschus
> pyotr
>

He has a lot of gumption to post here daily when he is in such a
position! What else CAN he do but attack the messenger? Give him
credit where credit is due!

[Tom Gardner]

On 11/3/2013 11:42 AM, Guy Fawkes wrote:
> Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names <PopUl...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:k0ja79h5n5m1ct0cp...@6ax.com:
>
>> Sounds as though Matt's been drinking the rightwingnutjob Kool-Aid and
>> feeding at the Fox trough.
>>
>> That, plus, he's jealous of Obama.
>
> Why? Obama is going to be essentially a footnote and an object lesson.
>

And, probably a verb. "Boy, did he *OBAMA* THAT situation!"

[pyotr filipivich]

Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> on Mon, 04 Nov 2013 03:54:44 -0500 typed in

misc.survivalism the following:
>On 11/2/2013 11:31 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> on Sat, 2 Nov 2013 16:17:11 -0500 typed
>> in misc.survivalism the following:

>>> "Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names" wrote:
>>>> Sounds as though Matt's been drinking the rightwingnutjob Kool-Aid and
>>>> feeding at the Fox trough.
>>>>
>>>> That, plus, he's jealous of Obama.
>>>
>>> Do you like Obama's Kool-Aid?
>>>
>>> Irony: some vote for Obama over jobs and healthcare, then find themselves
>>> working part time and losing their insurance. Is that the change they hoped
>>> for?
>>>
>>> They call you a libtard to not insult mentally retarded people.
>>
>> Kissing ass is just hoping that nobody else notices that he has
>> not a single rebuttal tot he argument, and can only attack the
>> messenger. He's just as pathetic, if not more so, that Obama.
>>

>He has a lot of gumption to post here daily when he is in such a
>position! What else CAN he do but attack the messenger? Give him
>credit where credit is due!

No can do. His credit rating is triple Z: 'Cash Only and examine
it very closely for forgeries'."

[eric h]

I'm sorry, I don't get all this pathological hatred where Obama is concerned.

From what I can see of him, he's a decent man trying to do what he feels is best for his country. He may be right, he may be wrong, he certainly won't get everything perfect, but he's doing what he can.

He's gone out of his way to invite dialogue and has been met with blind, unreasoning hatred and fanatical opposition, just because he's black and dares to demand his birthright - that he be treated as an equal.

To those that hate him so much I ask - What do you gain if you tear him down? So far, all I see is an economy in shambles and I can't see how anybody benefits under those conditions.

[Larry Jaques]

On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 19:25:48 -0800 (PST), eric h
<ericch...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I'm sorry, I don't get all this pathological hatred where Obama is concerned.

Sorry, most of it isn't pathological at all. It's ideological and
rational. Plus, it isn't hate, it's simple distrust and dislike.

>From what I can see of him, he's a decent man trying to do what he feels is best for his country. He may be right, he may be wrong, he certainly won't get everything perfect, but he's doing what he can.

You believe what he says rather than watching what he does. I -dare-
you to get honest with yourself and track his purported
accomplishments. There are very, very few items of any real merit on
the list of 100 things he's supposedly done. PLEASE look into it more
deeply. As I said, I -dare- you to do just that. Then come back and
try to tell us you still feel the same way about him. <g>

Something I still don't forgive him for is the tremendous effort he,
as a legislator, put into lobbying Fannie Mae to give loans to people
who didn't even have jobs, let alone good ones which would pay the
mortgage payments. He was one of the most tireless of the Democratic
Black Caucus along that line, so he, specifically, bears great guilt
in creating millions of new homeless Americans. His ACORN group is a
fraudulent, violent terrorist organization. _Do_ look into it.

>He's gone out of his way to invite dialogue and has been met with blind, unreasoning hatred and fanatical opposition, just because he's black and dares to demand his birthright - that he be treated as an equal.

True, there are perhaps thousands of bigots out there who are, indeed,
doing that with him, but the rest of us just don't like his ways.
There are tens of thousands of Democrats and blacks out here who don't
like him or what he stands for. It has nothing to do with his skin
color and everything to do with how he works.

>To those that hate him so much I ask - What do you gain if you tear him down? So far, all I see is an economy in shambles and I can't see how anybody benefits under those conditions.

Perhaps if you saw his hand in creating many of these shambles, you'd
understand. I feel that his actions have extended the depression, not
helped it. Look at the result of his handing billions in stimulus
money to the banks. When they couldn't figure out what to do with it,
they started giving out large bonuses. And that's just touching on a
very few of his "accomplishments", Eric. Please do an in-depth study
of the man using as many sources as you can find. You won't just see
the glossy "100 talking points" crap the DMC is tossing around. You'll
see the true man. And it ain't purty.

When I listened to his _The Audacity of Hope_ book on disc, I couldn't
believe my ears. He was aware of how the world really ran, and that
blew me away. CONgresscritters don't seem to be in touch, but they're
quite aware of the state of things. They just don't do anything about
them, investigating the wrong things and making it seem that they
care. It all disgusts me and I don't care at all for them, as a
sub-species of Man. We have the best government that can be bought.
<sigh>

--
The beauty of the 2nd Amendment is that it will not be needed
until they try to take it. --Thomas Jefferson

[eric h]

On Monday, November 4, 2013 11:04:11 PM UTC-5, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 19:25:48 -0800 (PST), eric h
>
> <ericch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >I'm sorry, I don't get all this pathological hatred where Obama is concerned.
>
>
>
> Sorry, most of it isn't pathological at all. It's ideological and
>
> rational. Plus, it isn't hate, it's simple distrust and dislike.
>
>

>I agree with the ideological assessment, but I think you're cutting off your nose to spite your face here. After 5 years the US has made practically no progress at all because dems and republicans can't find a middle ground. Your economic recovery is endangered and your people are suffering. The veterans that the US sent overseas to fight your wars are being treated shamelessly on their return. You have serious issues that are not being addressed.

And I see no arguments on the merits of any proposals - just a fanatical determination that this President shall not be allowed to make his contribution.

That is unfair and short-sighted and you do not have the luxury of throwing away 8 years to make a point. Your people, whatever political stripe they may be, are suffering NOW. They need help NOW.

The dems didn't like or trust Bush, yet they found a way to make the system work. Why have the rules changed when they are in power?

>
>
> >From what I can see of him, he's a decent man trying to do what he feels is best for his country. He may be right, he may be wrong, he certainly won't get everything perfect, but he's doing what he can.
>
>
>
> You believe what he says rather than watching what he does. I -dare-
>
> you to get honest with yourself and track his purported
>
> accomplishments. There are very, very few items of any real merit on
>
> the list of 100 things he's supposedly done. PLEASE look into it more
>
> deeply. As I said, I -dare- you to do just that. Then come back and
>
> try to tell us you still feel the same way about him. <g>

What I see he has done is continually offer the GOP the chance to participate in discussions and he has actively sought their input. He has been rebuffed at every attempt.

What I see is that he has found a way to extend health coverage to almost all Americans, overturning a system that the rest of the world thought was crazy.

What I have seen is that he has tried to elevate the level of discussion in elections to actually BE a discussion, instead of insults being hurled back and forth.

What I see is that he has pressed forward with an effective assault against the enemies of America through drone strikes. Am I entirely happy with the violation of Pakistani sovereignty? No. But Pakistan is not your friend, they only say they are. That has been true for a long time.

Drone strikes in Somalia? Somalia HAS no government, they haven't had one for 15 years. Who would he talk to there? Nobody. So he has to do what he thinks is best.

As for drone strikes against Americans, there has been one against an avowed enemy of your land, someone that would not think twice about planning and participating in attacks that would kill hundreds of civilians. I do not mourn his death.

>
>
>
> Something I still don't forgive him for is the tremendous effort he,
>
> as a legislator, put into lobbying Fannie Mae to give loans to people
>
> who didn't even have jobs, let alone good ones which would pay the
>
> mortgage payments. He was one of the most tireless of the Democratic
>
> Black Caucus along that line, so he, specifically, bears great guilt
>
> in creating millions of new homeless Americans. His ACORN group is a
>
> fraudulent, violent terrorist organization. _Do_ look into it.
>
>

Was he the only one doing this?

>
>
>
> >He's gone out of his way to invite dialogue and has been met with blind, unreasoning hatred and fanatical opposition, just because he's black and dares to demand his birthright - that he be treated as an equal.
>
>
>
> True, there are perhaps thousands of bigots out there who are, indeed,
>
> doing that with him, but the rest of us just don't like his ways.
>
> There are tens of thousands of Democrats and blacks out here who don't
>
> like him or what he stands for. It has nothing to do with his skin
>
> color and everything to do with how he works.
>
>

Then where are your voices when the bigots speak?

I have hear nobody from the GOP stand up and say, "This is NOT who we are". By your silence, you endorse their actions. By your silence, you allow them to set your public agenda and embolden them to make even crazier statements.

America NEEDS its conservative voices. But the conservative viewpoint has been marginalized by the crazies who refuse to even deal with Obama, refuse to have anything to do with his ideas or his legislation. Absent of the conservative viewpoint, his laws move forward unimproved. This is a waste.

>
>
>
> >To those that hate him so much I ask - What do you gain if you tear him down? So far, all I see is an economy in shambles and I can't see how anybody benefits under those conditions.
>
>
>
> Perhaps if you saw his hand in creating many of these shambles, you'd
>
> understand. I feel that his actions have extended the depression, not
>
> helped it. Look at the result of his handing billions in stimulus
>
> money to the banks. When they couldn't figure out what to do with it,
>
> they started giving out large bonuses. And that's just touching on a
>
> very few of his "accomplishments", Eric. Please do an in-depth study
>
> of the man using as many sources as you can find. You won't just see
>
> the glossy "100 talking points" crap the DMC is tossing around. You'll
>
> see the true man. And it ain't purty.

Well, actually, he didn't hand as much as you think. The TARP funds have been almost all recovered by now and the government is left with shares and other revenue that will further erode any deficit.

http://projects.propublica.org/bailout/

Plus you have to factor in the devastating damage that would have occurred had companies like GM been allowed to go bankrupt. We would have had a 20 year Depression instead of being on the road to recovery, no matter how anemic is it.

>
>
>
> When I listened to his _The Audacity of Hope_ book on disc, I couldn't
>
> believe my ears. He was aware of how the world really ran, and that
>
> blew me away. CONgresscritters don't seem to be in touch, but they're
>
> quite aware of the state of things. They just don't do anything about
>
> them, investigating the wrong things and making it seem that they
>
> care. It all disgusts me and I don't care at all for them, as a
>
> sub-species of Man. We have the best government that can be bought.
>
> <sigh>
>
>

I agree that your Congress is a mess. You can do something about that in a year. If you choose to elect the same imbeciles, you are voting for the same results.

I'd advise against that.

>
> --
>
> The beauty of the 2nd Amendment is that it will not be needed
>
> until they try to take it. --Thomas Jefferson

I'm not going to get into the gun debate right now, there's enough to say on the subjct at hand.

[jon_banquer]

On Saturday, November 2, 2013 3:21:30 PM UTC-7, Denny wrote:

> Don't forget the many "undecided" voters who went with Obama because his
>
> two opponents were obvious bumbling fools. As are all Republican pols.
>
>
>
> --
>
> ***

Romney wasn't a bumbling fool. Romney was a Vulture Capitalist and many American's realized it:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829

If American's want real change they will need to get disgusted enough to vote Independent for someone like Gary Johnson.

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 19:25:48 -0800 (PST), eric h
<ericch...@gmail.com> wrote:

1. He is a worthless low life piece of shit.
2. He is a worthless low life LYING piece of shit
3. He is a worthless low life piece of shit who legally cant be
president
4. He is a worthless low life gay dick licker
5. He is a worthless low life SOB who is doing everything in his power
to destroy the Constitution and the nation
6. He is a worthless DANGEROUS SOB who has lied, committed treason and
should be impeached, tried for treason and hung by the neck until
dead.

Was there any further questions? Your buffoonery about his "decent
man trying to do what" etc etc is noted with a snort..a snicker and
then uproarious laughter.

The muslim Socialist is about to cause the Second American Revolution
with A. Brainless stupidity, or B..a calculated effort.

You can have one from Column A..or one from Column B...but either one
left unchecked will turn America into a poverty stricken turd world
nation where millions will starve, or die living in tents.

Where the hell have you been living? Norway?

Gunner

--
Liberals want everyone to think like them.
Conservatives want everyone to think.

[jon_banquer]

Obama is part of a corrupt two party system that has failed the middle class of America. Obama has failed to break up big Wall Street banks, has screwed the American tax payers with his GM bail out, etc.

Obama isn't much better than Bush Jr.

You are correct that there is tremendous hatred for Obama and much of it is misdirected.

Obama is a career politician that can't get the job done in many areas. Obama uses many of the same people that Bush Jr. used. Obama is part of a broken system and the hate directed toward him is from phony, conservatives who are part of a party that produces nothing but lame assholes like Vulture Capitalist Mitt Romney. People like Larry Jackass, Mark Wieber, Tom Gardner, etc. are two fucking stupid to figure out why Obama got elected and why he would get elected again if the GOP ran the same assholes they did last time.

The GOP is totally out of touch... much worse than the Democrats are. Conservative Barry Goldwater had it right many years ago with what he said was happening to the GOP.

American's have no real choice if they want real change other than to start voting Independent like Vermont does for Bernie Sanders

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 23:08:30 -0800 (PST), eric h
<ericch...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>I agree with the ideological assessment, but I think you're cutting off your nose to spite your face here. After 5 years the US has made practically no progress at all because dems and republicans can't find a middle ground. Your economic recovery is endangered and your people are suffering. The veterans that the US sent overseas to fight your wars are being treated shamelessly on their return. You have serious issues that are not being addressed.
>
>And I see no arguments on the merits of any proposals - just a fanatical determination that this President shall not be allowed to make his contribution.

Based on the rest of your denial and spew...you must be one of those
brainless Useful Idiots that the DNC likes to keep around to post
talking points on Usenet...which are easily refuted by simply facts
and data...but you will continue to spew the same talking points over
and over again in some inane effort to try to drum up some support for
policies which are utter disasters.

You arent one of Hendersons paid cronies are you?

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/10/confirmation_of_paid_democrat_trolls.html

Its true your Obamassiah has had some unequaled accomplishments....


First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then
deny he was a foreigner.

First President to have a social security number from a state he has
never lived in.

First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the
United State.

First President to violate the War Powers Act.

First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally
obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

First President to defy a Federal Judge's court order to cease
implementing the Health Care Reform Law.

First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a
third party.

First President to spend a trillion dollars on 'shovel-ready' jobs
when there was no such thing as 'shovel-ready' jobs.

First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of
companies to his union supporters.

First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act
through executive fiat.

First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the
deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S., including those
with criminal convictions.

First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of
his political appointees.

First President to terminate America 's ability to put a man in space.

First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being
present.

First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law
unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly
spoke-out on the reasons for their rate increases.

First President to tell a major manufacturing company n which state it
is allowed to locate a factory.

First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath
to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).

First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been
properly issued years ago.

First President to fire an inspector general of Ameri-Corps for
catching one of his friends in a corruption case.

First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials his
office.

First President to golf 73 separate times in his first two and a half
years in office, 143 to date.

First President to hide his medical, educational, and travel records.

First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn
it.

First President to go on multiple global 'apology tours'.

First President to go on 17 lavish vacations, including date nights
and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by
the taxpayer.

First President to have 22 personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his
wife.

First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year
at taxpayer expense.

First President to repeat the Holy Qur'an tells us the early morning
call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound
on earth.

First President to take a 17 day vacation.

How is this Hope and Change working out for you?

[eric h]

>
>
> The muslim Socialist is about to cause the Second American Revolution
>
> with A. Brainless stupidity, or B..a calculated effort.
>
>
>
> You can have one from Column A..or one from Column B...but either one
>
> left unchecked will turn America into a poverty stricken turd world
>
> nation where millions will starve, or die living in tents.
>
>
>
> Where the hell have you been living? Norway?
>
>
>
> Gunner
>
>
>
> --
>
> Liberals want everyone to think like them.
>
> Conservatives want everyone to think.
>
>
>
> ---
>
> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.
>
> http://www.avast.com

Gunner, he's not a Muslim, but even if he was, it's not a bad thing.

Calgary Alberta, the bastion of Canadian neo-con values, elected a Muslim mayor and they couldn't be happier with him.

I know some Muslims - they're good, decent, hardworking people that just want to live in peace.

The criminal low-lifes that has usurped the good name of their religion are making you afraid of Muslims for a reason - they're doomed if you ever take the time to get to know these people and realize that they're no threat to you and never were.


And as for socialism....

Socialism isn't a bad thing. All of the First World nations have it - the US has it, too (Medicaid, Medicare).

Those nations that have more of it have done better during the economic crisis than America has and they're still in better financial shape than the USA is.


And, if you haven't noticed, people have been living in tents for a long time, well before Obama. Look at Michigan's history, where they threw 10,000 people off welfare just before one of the most brutal winters they've had in decades.

Socialist countries add JOBS when they expand their government services, jobs that would not otherwise exist. That gets people off the streets and back into the workforce.

If you don't like the idea of government doing more, why haven't the conservatives found a way for business to do this?

[eric h]

>
>
> Obama is part of a corrupt two party system that has failed the middle class of America. Obama has failed to break up big Wall Street banks, has screwed the American tax payers with his GM bail out, etc.
>
>
>
> Obama isn't much better than Bush Jr.
>
>
>
> You are correct that there is tremendous hatred for Obama and much of it is misdirected.
>
>
>
> Obama is a career politician that can't get the job done in many areas. Obama uses many of the same people that Bush Jr. used. Obama is part of a broken system and the hate directed toward him is from phony, conservatives who are part of a party that produces nothing but lame assholes like Vulture Capitalist Mitt Romney. People like Larry Jackass, Mark Wieber, Tom Gardner, etc. are two fucking stupid to figure out why Obama got elected and why he would get elected again if the GOP ran the same assholes they did last time.
>
>
>
> The GOP is totally out of touch... much worse than the Democrats are. Conservative Barry Goldwater had it right many years ago with what he said was happening to the GOP.
>
>
>
> American's have no real choice if they want real change other than to start voting Independent like Vermont does for Bernie Sanders

Bernie is a gem - I really like what he says, he has a good head on his shoulders.

I think Obama's main fault is that he's too NICE - he's not a street fighter, and you need someone who'll kick ass and take names.

But, given the alternatives, by and large he's been a decent choice.

He's kept you out of wars - a war with Iran would be disastrous and one with North Korea would be problematic because of China. Besides, you can't afford any more wars.

He's managed to get Obamacare rolled out - it's far from perfect, but no system works completely well on the first try and he's made a good start. Personally, I think he should have copied Canada's plan. Make the entire country a buying group and then you can negotiate with health care providers from strength. But, the ACA is an American solution and it may work.

Time will tell.

[eric h]

>
>
> Based on the rest of your denial and spew...you must be one of those
>
> brainless Useful Idiots that the DNC likes to keep around to post
>
> talking points on Usenet...which are easily refuted by simply facts
>
> and data...but you will continue to spew the same talking points over
>
> and over again in some inane effort to try to drum up some support for
>
> policies which are utter disasters.
>
>
>
> You arent one of Hendersons paid cronies are you?
>
>
>

Gunney,

I see tons of rhetoric from you, but no evidence, no proof, no logic.

Do try to work on that, all of these hysterics just make you look silly.


For the record, I'm not a paid agitator.

[jon_banquer]

Stick around this newsgroup badly needs the balance you bring to it.

[eric h]

Thank you.

[Larry Jaques]

On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 23:08:30 -0800 (PST), eric h

<ericch...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, November 4, 2013 11:04:11 PM UTC-5, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 19:25:48 -0800 (PST), eric h
>>
>> <ericch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >I'm sorry, I don't get all this pathological hatred where Obama is concerned.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry, most of it isn't pathological at all. It's ideological and
>>
>> rational. Plus, it isn't hate, it's simple distrust and dislike.
>>
>>
>>I agree with the ideological assessment, but I think you're cutting off your nose to spite your face here. After 5 years the US has made practically no progress at all because dems and republicans can't find a middle ground. Your economic recovery is endangered and your people are suffering. The veterans that the US sent overseas to fight your wars are being treated shamelessly on their return. You have serious issues that are not being addressed.
>
>And I see no arguments on the merits of any proposals - just a fanatical determination that this President shall not be allowed to make his contribution.
>
>That is unfair and short-sighted and you do not have the luxury of throwing away 8 years to make a point. Your people, whatever political stripe they may be, are suffering NOW. They need help NOW.
>
>The dems didn't like or trust Bush, yet they found a way to make the system work. Why have the rules changed when they are in power?

Shrub was a tax-cut-and-spend conservative. Obama is a tax-and-spend
Liberal.

>> >From what I can see of him, he's a decent man trying to do what he feels is best for his country. He may be right, he may be wrong, he certainly won't get everything perfect, but he's doing what he can.
>>
>>
>>
>> You believe what he says rather than watching what he does. I -dare-
>>
>> you to get honest with yourself and track his purported
>>
>> accomplishments. There are very, very few items of any real merit on
>>
>> the list of 100 things he's supposedly done. PLEASE look into it more
>>
>> deeply. As I said, I -dare- you to do just that. Then come back and
>>
>> try to tell us you still feel the same way about him. <g>
>
>
>
>What I see he has done is continually offer the GOP the chance to participate in discussions and he has actively sought their input. He has been rebuffed at every attempt.

Yeah, he talks a really smooth grift, doesn't he? You're obviously a
Liberal guy from a Liberal country who listens only to Liberal media.
Now look to other, perhaps less slanted, sources, Eric. Really.

>What I see is that he has found a way to extend health coverage to almost all Americans, overturning a system that the rest of the world thought was crazy.

No, he's extending insurance coverage to most everyone. If you look
under the sheet he's thrown over it, the guts will make you retch. So
far, over 40,000 people in tiny Oregon alone have lost their insurance
plans and had to go with more expensive plans.

>What I have seen is that he has tried to elevate the level of discussion in elections to actually BE a discussion, instead of insults being hurled back and forth.

No, I said "accomplishments", not "attempts" or "tries" or
"obfuscations".

>What I see is that he has pressed forward with an effective assault against the enemies of America through drone strikes. Am I entirely happy with the violation of Pakistani sovereignty? No. But Pakistan is not your friend, they only say they are. That has been true for a long time.
>
>Drone strikes in Somalia? Somalia HAS no government, they haven't had one for 15 years. Who would he talk to there? Nobody. So he has to do what he thinks is best.
>
>As for drone strikes against Americans, there has been one against an avowed enemy of your land, someone that would not think twice about planning and participating in attacks that would kill hundreds of civilians. I do not mourn his death.

He has also apologized to our enemies and made us lose face with both
them and some of our allies, whom he has tossed to the side. Where's
this drone business come from?

>> Something I still don't forgive him for is the tremendous effort he,
>>
>> as a legislator, put into lobbying Fannie Mae to give loans to people
>>
>> who didn't even have jobs, let alone good ones which would pay the
>>
>> mortgage payments. He was one of the most tireless of the Democratic
>>
>> Black Caucus along that line, so he, specifically, bears great guilt
>>
>> in creating millions of new homeless Americans. His ACORN group is a
>>
>> fraudulent, violent terrorist organization. _Do_ look into it.
>>
>>
>Was he the only one doing this?

Can you say "ringleader"? His Acorn was the only one making notorious
headline after notorious headline. Did you research it? (No, I
didn't think so. It's not in the talking-points, is it? <sigh> )

>> >He's gone out of his way to invite dialogue and has been met with blind, unreasoning hatred and fanatical opposition, just because he's black and dares to demand his birthright - that he be treated as an equal.

What birthright is that, Kenyan or American? I have nothing
whatsoever against blacks. I have real issues with bigoted blacks who
want to destroy our country. His wife is horribly bigoted against
whites and the country, too. Didn't you see her "All this for a
damned flag?" video or read her rigorously quieted college thesis?
Don't be pointing fingers at bigots before you see the equally bigoted
pair doing _exactly_ the same thing, too.

>> True, there are perhaps thousands of bigots out there who are, indeed,
>>
>> doing that with him, but the rest of us just don't like his ways.
>>
>> There are tens of thousands of Democrats and blacks out here who don't
>>
>> like him or what he stands for. It has nothing to do with his skin
>>
>> color and everything to do with how he works.
>>
>>
>Then where are your voices when the bigots speak?

We're out here speaking out against them, as usual. You just won't
hear it from the media because it doesn't make news.

>I have hear nobody from the GOP stand up and say, "This is NOT who we are". By your silence, you endorse their actions. By your silence, you allow them to set your public agenda and embolden them to make even crazier statements.

Do you really expect to hear anything like that from the liberal
media? Hah!

>America NEEDS its conservative voices. But the conservative viewpoint has been marginalized by the crazies who refuse to even deal with Obama, refuse to have anything to do with his ideas or his legislation. Absent of the conservative viewpoint, his laws move forward unimproved. This is a waste.

The half-dozen supposedly conservative/tea-party wonks in the media
spotlight right now are doing far more harm than good. We disavow
them. They do NOT represent us conservative Tea-Partiers at all.
And there are millions of us.

>> >To those that hate him so much I ask - What do you gain if you tear him down? So far, all I see is an economy in shambles and I can't see how anybody benefits under those conditions.

You see haters under every rock, don't you? Seek professional help,
sir. ;)

>> Perhaps if you saw his hand in creating many of these shambles, you'd
>>
>> understand. I feel that his actions have extended the depression, not
>>
>> helped it. Look at the result of his handing billions in stimulus
>>
>> money to the banks. When they couldn't figure out what to do with it,
>>
>> they started giving out large bonuses. And that's just touching on a
>>
>> very few of his "accomplishments", Eric. Please do an in-depth study
>>
>> of the man using as many sources as you can find. You won't just see
>>
>> the glossy "100 talking points" crap the DMC is tossing around. You'll
>>
>> see the true man. And it ain't purty.
>
>
>Well, actually, he didn't hand as much as you think. The TARP funds have been almost all recovered by now and the government is left with shares and other revenue that will further erode any deficit.

There you go, defending your statements instead of investigating to
get to the truth.

>http://projects.propublica.org/bailout/
>
>Plus you have to factor in the devastating damage that would have occurred had companies like GM been allowed to go bankrupt. We would have had a 20 year Depression instead of being on the road to recovery, no matter how anemic is it.

<snort> Yeah, right.

>> When I listened to his _The Audacity of Hope_ book on disc, I couldn't
>>
>> believe my ears. He was aware of how the world really ran, and that
>>
>> blew me away. CONgresscritters don't seem to be in touch, but they're
>>
>> quite aware of the state of things. They just don't do anything about
>>
>> them, investigating the wrong things and making it seem that they
>>
>> care. It all disgusts me and I don't care at all for them, as a
>>
>> sub-species of Man. We have the best government that can be bought.
>>
>> <sigh>
>>
>>
>I agree that your Congress is a mess. You can do something about that in a year. If you choose to elect the same imbeciles, you are voting for the same results.
>
>I'd advise against that.

I always have, too. <g> I voted for Ron Paul and Ross Perot, trying
to change things. We almost did it with Ross in '92, too. I'm afraid
that there will be a violent revolution prior to enough people coming
to their senses at the polls, though. Got Prep?

>>
>> --
>>
>> The beauty of the 2nd Amendment is that it will not be needed
>>
>> until they try to take it. --Thomas Jefferson
>
>
>I'm not going to get into the gun debate right now, there's enough to say on the subjct at hand.

That's OK. We know what you'd say, anyway. <titter>

[Jim Wilkins]

"eric h" <ericch...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e6e4b159-cbc9-495e...@googlegroups.com...

> I'm sorry, I don't get all this pathological hatred where Obama is
> concerned.
>

Look in a mirror and say "Bush".

[Gunner Asch]

So you do it for free then. Interesting

Useful Idiots....


Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 04:26:05 -0800 (PST), eric h
<ericch...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Gunner, he's not a Muslim, but even if he was, it's not a bad thing.
>
>Calgary Alberta, the bastion of Canadian neo-con values, elected a Muslim mayor and they couldn't be happier with him.
>
>I know some Muslims - they're good, decent, hardworking people that just want to live in peace.
>
>The criminal low-lifes that has usurped the good name of their religion are making you afraid of Muslims for a reason - they're doomed if you ever take the time to get to know these people and realize that they're no threat to you and never were.

Really?

http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/107-khalaf/1192-types-of-muslims.html


Oddly enough...I dont expect Calgary to have many suicide
bombings...perhaps the mayor is Catory 2 or 3?

>
>
>And as for socialism....
>
>Socialism isn't a bad thing. All of the First World nations have it - the US has it, too (Medicaid, Medicare).

So hows Medicaid and Medicare doing these days? Hummm?

>
>Those nations that have more of it have done better during the economic crisis than America has and they're still in better financial shape than the USA is.

Oh...like the Russian Republic? Whoops..capitalist. Oh..you mean
Norway, Sweden and Denmark? Sorry old boy..they got hit hard too.

You cant possibly be talking about mainland China are you?

>
>
>And, if you haven't noticed, people have been living in tents for a long time, well before Obama. Look at Michigan's history, where they threw 10,000 people off welfare just before one of the most brutal winters they've had in decades.

Michigan was a quaint tiny Democrat failure. Now the entire country is
going that way.

>
>Socialist countries add JOBS when they expand their government services, jobs that would not otherwise exist. That gets people off the streets and back into the workforce.

"We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us"
Russian quote

>
>If you don't like the idea of government doing more, why haven't the conservatives found a way for business to do this?

So..you think the Constitution is just a worn out piece of
paper...right?

[Gunner Asch]

Well stated

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 10:20:35 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>>And, if you haven't noticed, people have been living in tents for a long time, well before Obama. Look at Michigan's history, where they threw 10,000 people off welfare just before one of the most brutal winters they've had in decades.
>Michigan was a quaint tiny Democrat failure. Now the entire country is
>going that way.

Which reminds me of Detroit. Democrat run for over 40 yrs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRwJQXCyE38

[eric h]

>
>
>
> Yeah, he talks a really smooth grift, doesn't he? You're obviously a
>
> Liberal guy from a Liberal country who listens only to Liberal media.
>
> Now look to other, perhaps less slanted, sources, Eric. Really.
>
>

I am a small "l" liberal but I'm not wedded to the party line. Show me some proof and I'll look at it.

All I've seen so far is unfounded allegation piled upon unfounded allegation.

And, btw, YOU are the one trying to prove your point - I'm not going to do your research for you. Let's see your proof.

>
>
> >What I see is that he has found a way to extend health coverage to almost all Americans, overturning a system that the rest of the world thought was crazy.
>
>
>
> No, he's extending insurance coverage to most everyone. If you look
>
> under the sheet he's thrown over it, the guts will make you retch. So
>
> far, over 40,000 people in tiny Oregon alone have lost their insurance
>
> plans and had to go with more expensive plans.
>
>

Have your friends used an insurance broker to seek out subsidies? According to this article, it's pretty much a requirement;

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/09/usa-healthcare-oregon-idUSL1N0GA1CW20130809


And, for the record, I have already stated that the plan isn't perfect. ON AVERAGE, most people seem to be saving money (unless you live in a red state, where the governors are TRYING to make the plan fail). No doubt there is room for improvement in the future.

But, if you won't talk to the administration, it's tough to suggest improvements.

>
>
> >What I have seen is that he has tried to elevate the level of discussion in elections to actually BE a discussion, instead of insults being hurled back and forth.
>
>
>
> No, I said "accomplishments", not "attempts" or "tries" or
>
> "obfuscations".
>
>
>

Every time he's tried to hold bilateral talks, the GOP has refused. And now you complain about his accomplishments.

No other President in history has faced the level of opposition that Obama has faced. He cannot do this all by himself and it unfair for you to blame him for failures that have been arranged for him.

>
>
>
> He has also apologized to our enemies and made us lose face with both
>
> them and some of our allies, whom he has tossed to the side. Where's
>
> this drone business come from?
>
>

> Apologies don't make you appear weak. Only strong people can suppress their ego enough to admit when they're wrong.

Apologies build trust and respect, even among enemies. When Obama says something now, your enemies have reason to believe he's telling them the stright facts.

Why else do you think Syria folded their hand so quickly?

>
>
> >> Something I still don't forgive him for is the tremendous effort he,
>
> >>
>
> >> as a legislator, put into lobbying Fannie Mae to give loans to people
>
> >>
>
> >> who didn't even have jobs, let alone good ones which would pay the
>
> >>
>
> >> mortgage payments. He was one of the most tireless of the Democratic
>
> >>
>
> >> Black Caucus along that line, so he, specifically, bears great guilt
>
> >>
>
> >> in creating millions of new homeless Americans. His ACORN group is a
>
> >>
>
> >> fraudulent, violent terrorist organization. _Do_ look into it.
>

Google doesn't seem to know anything about this - got any credible links?

>
> >>
His Acorn was the only one making notorious
>
> headline after notorious headline.

ACORN was begun in 1975 and closed one year after Obama took power. They operated all through the Bush years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Community_Organizations_for_Reform_Now

How is this Obama's fault again?

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> >He's gone out of his way to invite dialogue and has been met with blind, unreasoning hatred and fanatical opposition, just because he's black and dares to demand his birthright - that he be treated as an equal.
>
>
>
> What birthright is that, Kenyan or American? I have nothing
>
> whatsoever against blacks. I have real issues with bigoted blacks who
>
> want to destroy our country. His wife is horribly bigoted against
>
> whites and the country, too. Didn't you see her "All this for a
>
> damned flag?" video or read her rigorously quieted college thesis?
>
> Don't be pointing fingers at bigots before you see the equally bigoted
>
> pair doing _exactly_ the same thing, too.
>
>

Well, to be frank, most of the rest of the world doesn't get as hyper about flags as right-wing Americans do, so I'm on Michelle's side on this.

It's piece of cloth, for Pete's sake. I'd rather see someone working tirelessly on behalf of Americans (which she does) than someone that gets all bent out of shape if a hunk of cloth isn't treated with reverence.

>
>
> >> True, there are perhaps thousands of bigots out there who are, indeed,

> >> doing that with him, but the rest of us just don't like his ways.

> >> There are tens of thousands of Democrats and blacks out here who don't

> >> like him or what he stands for. It has nothing to do with his skin

> >> color and everything to do with how he works.
>
> >>

I'm sure you're right - it's impossible to please everybody.

But 10,000 people out of 350,000,000 is 0.3333%. Even multiples of that number are statistically insignificant.

> >>
>


> >Then where are your voices when the bigots speak?
>
>
>
> We're out here speaking out against them, as usual. You just won't
>
> hear it from the media because it doesn't make news.
>
>

Oh, I'm pretty sure that having conservatives speaking out against the Tea Party would be front page stuff, LOL. The media isn't biased against you, you're just not giving them the headlines.

>
>
> >I have hear nobody from the GOP stand up and say, "This is NOT who we are". By your silence, you endorse their actions. By your silence, you allow them to set your public agenda and embolden them to make even crazier statements.
>
>
>
> Do you really expect to hear anything like that from the liberal
>
> media? Hah!
>
>

Of course I do - if the "liberal media", who are liberal only because they tend to be more educated, heard conservatives taking on conservatives, it would be manna from heaven for them.

They could throw that stuff in Limbaugh's face and wouldn't hesitate to do so.

>
>
> >America NEEDS its conservative voices. But the conservative viewpoint has been marginalized by the crazies who refuse to even deal with Obama, refuse to have anything to do with his ideas or his legislation. Absent of the conservative viewpoint, his laws move forward unimproved. This is a waste.
>
>
>
> The half-dozen supposedly conservative/tea-party wonks in the media
>
> spotlight right now are doing far more harm than good. We disavow
>
> them. They do NOT represent us conservative Tea-Partiers at all.
>
> And there are millions of us.
>
>

Fewer now than before, though. And your support is eroding quickly.

I was reading about a month ago about Tea Party groups that were finding their funding drying up and were unable to meet their bills. The Tea Party in Virginia is going to lose against a BAD Democrat in the election today.

The Tea Party only knows how to destroy, they don't know how to build and people are seeing that they're not solution.

Your party is going to get slaughtered in the 2014 elections. Count on it.

>
>


> >> >To those that hate him so much I ask - What do you gain if you tear him down? So far, all I see is an economy in shambles and I can't see how anybody benefits under those conditions.
>
>
>
> You see haters under every rock, don't you? Seek professional help,
>
> sir. ;)
>
>
>
>
>
> >> Perhaps if you saw his hand in creating many of these shambles, you'd
>
> >>
>
> >> understand. I feel that his actions have extended the depression, not
>
> >>
>
> >> helped it. Look at the result of his handing billions in stimulus
>
> >>
>
> >> money to the banks. When they couldn't figure out what to do with it,
>
> >>
>
> >> they started giving out large bonuses. And that's just touching on a
>
> >>
>
> >> very few of his "accomplishments", Eric. Please do an in-depth study
>
> >>
>
> >> of the man using as many sources as you can find. You won't just see
>
> >>
>
> >> the glossy "100 talking points" crap the DMC is tossing around. You'll
>
> >>
>
> >> see the true man. And it ain't purty.
>
> >

The stimulus money has been largely repaid and, if you'll remember, a provision of the stimulus money was that the banks could NOT give out large bonuses - that's why the banks were so anxious to repay the loans quickly.

Personally, I'd like to see these insane levels of compensation limited too, but that's the capitalism that the Tea Party trumpets.

> >
>


> >Well, actually, he didn't hand as much as you think. The TARP funds have been almost all recovered by now and the government is left with shares and other revenue that will further erode any deficit.
>
>
>
> There you go, defending your statements instead of investigating to
>
> get to the truth.
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://projects.propublica.org/bailout/
>
> >
>
> >Plus you have to factor in the devastating damage that would have occurred had companies like GM been allowed to go bankrupt. We would have had a 20 year Depression instead of being on the road to recovery, no matter how anemic is it.
>
>
>
> <snort> Yeah, right.
>
>
>
>
>
> >> When I listened to his _The Audacity of Hope_ book on disc, I couldn't
>
> >>
>
> >> believe my ears. He was aware of how the world really ran, and that
>
> >>
>
> >> blew me away. CONgresscritters don't seem to be in touch, but they're
>
> >>
>
> >> quite aware of the state of things. They just don't do anything about
>
> >>
>
> >> them, investigating the wrong things and making it seem that they
>
> >>
>
> >> care. It all disgusts me and I don't care at all for them, as a
>
> >>
>
> >> sub-species of Man. We have the best government that can be bought.
>
> >>
>
> >> <sigh>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >I agree that your Congress is a mess. You can do something about that in a year. If you choose to elect the same imbeciles, you are voting for the same results.
>
> >
>
> >I'd advise against that.
>
>
>
> I always have, too. <g> I voted for Ron Paul and Ross Perot, trying
>
> to change things. We almost did it with Ross in '92, too. I'm afraid
>
> that there will be a violent revolution prior to enough people coming
>
> to their senses at the polls, though. Got Prep?
>
>

Ron Paul is not solution, LOL. Ross Perot was just a deluded old man.

[eric h]

Bush never faced opposition because he was Bush, though.

The Dems co-operated with him when he declared war, even though that was a bad idea (which anybody that studied history could have told you - you CANNOT defeat the Taliban militarily, nobody ever has)

Bush ran into opposition because he had a lot of bad ideas and adopted a bully approach to getting his way instead of re-thinking what he was doing.

[jon_banquer]

On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 3:25:05 PM UTC-8, eric h wrote:

"Ross Perot was just a deluded old man."

He maybe nuts but he had it right on the "one way" free trade agreements that both Democrats and Republicans keep signing. This would be yet another subject that Obama haters like Mark Wieber and Larry Jackass refuse to deal with because both Democrats and Republicans are equally to blame.

Here is Ross Perot at his finest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAHM9rXjdUo

[eric h]

On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 1:20:35 PM UTC-5, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 04:26:05 -0800 (PST), eric h
>
> <ericch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >
>
> >Gunner, he's not a Muslim, but even if he was, it's not a bad thing.
>
> >
>
> >Calgary Alberta, the bastion of Canadian neo-con values, elected a Muslim mayor and they couldn't be happier with him.
>
> >
>
> >I know some Muslims - they're good, decent, hardworking people that just want to live in peace.
>
> >
>
> >The criminal low-lifes that has usurped the good name of their religion are making you afraid of Muslims for a reason - they're doomed if you ever take the time to get to know these people and realize that they're no threat to you and never were.
>
>
>
> Really?
>
>
>
> http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/107-khalaf/1192-types-of-muslims.html
>
>

Okay, back to the real world.

Wahabbism is one of the 4 main branches of Islam, comprising 5% of the total Muslims. Think "Saudi Arabia", that's where most of them are. Wahabbism is considered a form of fundamentalist Islam.

Salafism is a form of fundamentalist Wahbbism, constituting a small percentage of Wahhabis, perhaps 3% or less. Salafism is considered an extreme form of Wahabbism.

There is a cult of Salafism ( I forget the name, starts with "O", that was started by an Egyptian in the 1920's. It is considered a wacko-extremist branch of Salafism and only about 1% of Salafists follow it.

Al Qaida is a branch of the above cult, representing about 5%,

al Qaida is about as relevant to mainstream Islam as the Branch Davidians were to Christianity.

>
>
> Oddly enough...I dont expect Calgary to have many suicide
>
> bombings...perhaps the mayor is Catory 2 or 3?
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >And as for socialism....
>
> >
>
> >Socialism isn't a bad thing. All of the First World nations have it - the US has it, too (Medicaid, Medicare).
>
>
>
> So hows Medicaid and Medicare doing these days? Hummm?
>

> >Pretty good, actually - they may need their funding tweaked, but it's a solvable issue.

>
> >Those nations that have more of it have done better during the economic crisis than America has and they're still in better financial shape than the USA is.
>
>
>
> Oh...like the Russian Republic? Whoops..capitalist. Oh..you mean
>
> Norway, Sweden and Denmark? Sorry old boy..they got hit hard too.
>
>
>
> You cant possibly be talking about mainland China are you?
>
> >

EVERYBODY got hit by the great recession (except Australia), but the people of socialist countries weathered the storm better than the USA has.

Norway's unemployment rate is 3.5%, despite the recession and the European crisis.

Last year, it's economy grew by 3.5%, more than double the USA's

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/27/norway-economy-idUSL3N0F034U20130627


Sweden is benefitting from a restructuring of its economy started 20 years ago

http://www.economist.com/node/21564412

Denmark's unemployment rate is 6.4% and it's inflation rate is 2.6%. It has a small budget deficit. They also produce so much electricity from wind power that electricity is often free there (think electric cars)

http://www.indexmundi.com/denmark/economy_profile.html

I'd say they're doing fairly well.

> >
>
> >And, if you haven't noticed, people have been living in tents for a long time, well before Obama. Look at Michigan's history, where they threw 10,000 people off welfare just before one of the most brutal winters they've had in decades.
>
> Michigan was a quaint tiny Democrat failure. Now the entire country is
>
> going that way.
>

>
> >Socialist countries add JOBS when they expand their government services, jobs that would not otherwise exist. That gets people off the streets and back into the workforce.
>
>
>
> "We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us"
>
> Russian quote
>

Russia was Communist, not socialist. Learn the difference.

[eric h]

The purpose of free trade agreements is to facilitate the low-talent jobs being shipped overseas so that higher-paying jobs can be substituted, raising the standard of living.

Where America has dropped the ball is in failing to provide better education so that its people are qualified for these better jobs.

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:25:05 -0800 (PST), eric h
<ericch...@gmail.com> wrote:

>And, for the record, I have already stated that the plan isn't perfect. ON AVERAGE, most people seem to be saving money (unless you live in a red state, where the governors are TRYING to make the plan fail).

So trot out those Cites mister small L liberal.

We will be happy as hell to review them...and make up our minds as to
if you are working too cheap for the DNC or not

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:09:09 -0800 (PST), eric h

Weathered? Oh..you mean Weathering. The storm is hardly over and its
about to go Force 10 shortly.

>
>Norway's unemployment rate is 3.5%, despite the recession and the European crisis.
>
>Last year, it's economy grew by 3.5%, more than double the USA's
>
>http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/27/norway-economy-idUSL3N0F034U20130627
>
>
>Sweden is benefitting from a restructuring of its economy started 20 years ago

Indeed it is. Its getting rid of Socialism

>
>http://www.economist.com/node/21564412
>
>Denmark's unemployment rate is 6.4% and it's inflation rate is 2.6%. It has a small budget deficit. They also produce so much electricity from wind power that electricity is often free there (think electric cars)
>
>http://www.indexmundi.com/denmark/economy_profile.html
>
>I'd say they're doing fairly well.
>> >
>>
>> >And, if you haven't noticed, people have been living in tents for a long time, well before Obama. Look at Michigan's history, where they threw 10,000 people off welfare just before one of the most brutal winters they've had in decades.
>>
>> Michigan was a quaint tiny Democrat failure. Now the entire country is
>>
>> going that way.
>>
>
>>
>> >Socialist countries add JOBS when they expand their government services, jobs that would not otherwise exist. That gets people off the streets and back into the workforce.

And where do the money come from to pay them?
Think really hard about that answer before you spew it out.

>>
>>
>>
>> "We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us"
>>
>> Russian quote
>>
>Russia was Communist, not socialist. Learn the difference.

"Socialism is the front door to Communism"
Trotsky

>
>
>>
>> >If you don't like the idea of government doing more, why haven't the conservatives found a way for business to do this?
>>
>>
>>
>> So..you think the Constitution is just a worn out piece of
>>
>> paper...right?
>>
>>
>>
>> Gunner

Odd...no answer to the last question to our resident Socialist.

I wonder why?

[John B.]

In 2001 Thailand, a country with about 1/40th of the U.S. GDP
announced the so called 30 baht medical scheme under which Thais are
covered for medical treatment at a cost of 30 baht - about $1.00 per
visit to the clinic or hospital. A revision a year or so later
provides free medical care for those over 65 and more recently,
coverage for foreigners living in the country for a cost of 2,800 baht
- about $90.00 - a year.

One wonders why the U.S. with a GDP amounting to about 21% of the
world GDP and a population of only 4.45% of the world population
couldn't do the same?
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Larry Jaques]

On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:25:05 -0800 (PST), eric h
<ericch...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, he talks a really smooth grift, doesn't he? You're obviously a
>>
>> Liberal guy from a Liberal country who listens only to Liberal media.
>>
>> Now look to other, perhaps less slanted, sources, Eric. Really.
>>
>>
>I am a small "l" liberal but I'm not wedded to the party line. Show me some proof and I'll look at it.
>
>All I've seen so far is unfounded allegation piled upon unfounded allegation.

And you're not looking, so you'll never find foundation.

>And, btw, YOU are the one trying to prove your point - I'm not going to do your research for you. Let's see your proof.

And the blind stay blind... <g>
How's your neck, Mr. Ostrich?

>> >What I see is that he has found a way to extend health coverage to almost all Americans, overturning a system that the rest of the world thought was crazy.
>>
>>
>>
>> No, he's extending insurance coverage to most everyone. If you look
>>
>> under the sheet he's thrown over it, the guts will make you retch. So
>>
>> far, over 40,000 people in tiny Oregon alone have lost their insurance
>>
>> plans and had to go with more expensive plans.
>>
>>
>Have your friends used an insurance broker to seek out subsidies? According to this article, it's pretty much a requirement;

My close and personal 40k friends?

> http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/09/usa-healthcare-oregon-idUSL1N0GA1CW20130809



>And, for the record, I have already stated that the plan isn't perfect. ON AVERAGE, most people seem to be saving money (unless you live in a red state, where the governors are TRYING to make the plan fail). No doubt there is room for improvement in the future.
>
>But, if you won't talk to the administration, it's tough to suggest improvements.

Bbbut, this is a damned blue state. <sigh>

>>
>>
>> >What I have seen is that he has tried to elevate the level of discussion in elections to actually BE a discussion, instead of insults being hurled back and forth.
>>
>>
>>
>> No, I said "accomplishments", not "attempts" or "tries" or
>>
>> "obfuscations".
>>
>>
>>
>Every time he's tried to hold bilateral talks, the GOP has refused. And now you complain about his accomplishments.

He says he wants to talk to get the media on his side. Then, when he
shows up, he has absolutely no give at all. Yeah, real bilateral
cooperation.

>No other President in history has faced the level of opposition that Obama has faced. He cannot do this all by himself and it unfair for you to blame him for failures that have been arranged for him.

Har! Poor, poor Barry. Everyone is against him. It's him against
the entire world. Now he sees how Shrub felt, and Shrub was white.

>> He has also apologized to our enemies and made us lose face with both
>>
>> them and some of our allies, whom he has tossed to the side. Where's
>>
>> this drone business come from?
>>
>>
>> Apologies don't make you appear weak. Only strong people can suppress their ego enough to admit when they're wrong.

He apologized for us where nothing was being done wrong. And he bowed
to 3rd world country leaders and tried to shake the Queen's hand in
the UK, despite having SEVEN handlers going over all this beforehand.
The guy's a trainwreck when it comes to real politics. He has
repeatedly embarrassed the entire nation in front of the world. Why
would anyone be mad at him? <thud>

>Apologies build trust and respect, even among enemies. When Obama says something now, your enemies have reason to believe he's telling them the stright facts.



>Why else do you think Syria folded their hand so quickly?

<g>

>>
>> >> Something I still don't forgive him for is the tremendous effort he,
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> as a legislator, put into lobbying Fannie Mae to give loans to people
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> who didn't even have jobs, let alone good ones which would pay the
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> mortgage payments. He was one of the most tireless of the Democratic
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Black Caucus along that line, so he, specifically, bears great guilt
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> in creating millions of new homeless Americans. His ACORN group is a
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> fraudulent, violent terrorist organization. _Do_ look into it.
>>
>Google doesn't seem to know anything about this - got any credible links?

Google is filtering too much for you, Mr. Liberal. Look for the cases
against Acorn and the videos showing them telling people to lie about
their information for the Fannie Mae paperwork. Ditto the videos of
the guy who said he was a pimp and his girls were all illegal aliens.
The Acorn staff told them all sorts of illegal things to do to get a
loan for a house. It's all over the Web. All you have to do is look.
Other cases were Acorn thugs intimidating voters on election day. And
on and on. Again, the your L media stuffed a lot of it.

> His Acorn was the only one making notorious
>>
>> headline after notorious headline.
>
>
>ACORN was begun in 1975 and closed one year after Obama took power. They operated all through the Bush years.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Community_Organizations_for_Reform_Now
>
>How is this Obama's fault again?

He made them what they are/were. Look it up! The recreation of Acorn
was in his list of accomplishments I read, even. (No, don't recall
the URL. I don't save bullshit URLs.)

>> >> >He's gone out of his way to invite dialogue and has been met with blind, unreasoning hatred and fanatical opposition, just because he's black and dares to demand his birthright - that he be treated as an equal.
>>
>>
>>
>> What birthright is that, Kenyan or American? I have nothing
>>
>> whatsoever against blacks. I have real issues with bigoted blacks who
>>
>> want to destroy our country. His wife is horribly bigoted against
>>
>> whites and the country, too. Didn't you see her "All this for a
>>
>> damned flag?" video or read her rigorously quieted college thesis?
>>
>> Don't be pointing fingers at bigots before you see the equally bigoted
>>
>> pair doing _exactly_ the same thing, too.
>>
>>
>Well, to be frank, most of the rest of the world doesn't get as hyper about flags as right-wing Americans do, so I'm on Michelle's side on this.
>
>It's piece of cloth, for Pete's sake. I'd rather see someone working tirelessly on behalf of Americans (which she does)

Working tirelessly for _Black_ Americans, yes. She does. But she's a
nasty bigot. They were going to Wright/Farrakhan's church, remember?

>than someone that gets all bent out of shape if a hunk of cloth isn't treated with reverence.

It's a symbol of our nation and to diss it is to diss the nation, and
you know this. Yes, I know you're on Michelle's side.

>> >> True, there are perhaps thousands of bigots out there who are, indeed,
>
>> >> doing that with him, but the rest of us just don't like his ways.
>
>> >> There are tens of thousands of Democrats and blacks out here who don't
>
>> >> like him or what he stands for. It has nothing to do with his skin
>
>> >> color and everything to do with how he works.
>>
>> >>
>I'm sure you're right - it's impossible to please everybody.
>
>But 10,000 people out of 350,000,000 is 0.3333%. Even multiples of that number are statistically insignificant.

So if there are mere thousands of bigots, which are statistically
insignificant, why are you repetitively whining about it, hmmm?

>> >Then where are your voices when the bigots speak?
>>
>>
>>
>> We're out here speaking out against them, as usual. You just won't
>>
>> hear it from the media because it doesn't make news.
>>
>>
>Oh, I'm pretty sure that having conservatives speaking out against the Tea Party would be front page stuff, LOL. The media isn't biased against you, you're just not giving them the headlines.

Tea Partiers aren't bigots. Where'd you ever get that? Check your
sources, Eric. Or change them. You're getting the wrong info.

>> >I have hear nobody from the GOP stand up and say, "This is NOT who we are". By your silence, you endorse their actions. By your silence, you allow them to set your public agenda and embolden them to make even crazier statements.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you really expect to hear anything like that from the liberal
>>
>> media? Hah!
>>
>>
>Of course I do - if the "liberal media", who are liberal only because they tend to be more educated, heard conservatives taking on conservatives, it would be manna from heaven for them.

Bright Liberals? What a concept!

>Personally, I'd like to see these insane levels of compensation limited too, but that's the capitalism that the Tea Party trumpets.

The Tea Party calls for fiscal conservatism.

>> I always have, too. <g> I voted for Ron Paul and Ross Perot, trying
>>
>> to change things. We almost did it with Ross in '92, too. I'm afraid
>>
>> that there will be a violent revolution prior to enough people coming
>>
>> to their senses at the polls, though. Got Prep?
>>
>>
> Ron Paul is not solution, LOL. Ross Perot was just a deluded old man.

That's why 22% of the population voted for him. I'm really sad to say
that we missed our best chance at change with Ross. The only change
we'll get with Obama is the potential for a 2nd American Revolution.
THAT, we can all do without.

But, damnit, bring it on! How did that rebellion go? "We're tired of
the bullshit and we're not going to take it any more."

OK, enough OT along this line. Bye!

[Larry Jaques]

On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:09:09 -0800 (PST), eric h

<ericch...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 1:20:35 PM UTC-5, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 04:26:05 -0800 (PST), eric h
>>
>> <ericch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>>
>> >Gunner, he's not a Muslim, but even if he was, it's not a bad thing.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >Calgary Alberta, the bastion of Canadian neo-con values, elected a Muslim mayor and they couldn't be happier with him.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >I know some Muslims - they're good, decent, hardworking people that just want to live in peace.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >The criminal low-lifes that has usurped the good name of their religion are making you afraid of Muslims for a reason - they're doomed if you ever take the time to get to know these people and realize that they're no threat to you and never were.
>>
>>
>>
>> Really?
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/107-khalaf/1192-types-of-muslims.html
>>
>>
>Okay, back to the real world.
>
>Wahabbism is one of the 4 main branches of Islam, comprising 5% of the total Muslims. Think "Saudi Arabia", that's where most of them are. Wahabbism is considered a form of fundamentalist Islam.
>
>Salafism is a form of fundamentalist Wahbbism, constituting a small percentage of Wahhabis, perhaps 3% or less. Salafism is considered an extreme form of Wahabbism.
>
>There is a cult of Salafism ( I forget the name, starts with "O", that was started by an Egyptian in the 1920's. It is considered a wacko-extremist branch of Salafism and only about 1% of Salafists follow it.
>
>Al Qaida is a branch of the above cult, representing about 5%,
>
>al Qaida is about as relevant to mainstream Islam as the Branch Davidians were to Christianity.

Then why aren't all the other Muslims trying to stop their crazies
from getting them all killed? That's what's coming when they don't
differentiate between good(?) and bad religious extremists.

EOF

[Larry Jaques]

On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 17:27:22 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Well, to him, the American flag is just a piece of cloth, so it should
be obvious how he would feel about the Constitution, too.

[eric h]

> >EVERYBODY got hit by the great recession (except Australia), but the people of socialist countries weathered the storm better than the USA has.
>
>
>
> Weathered? Oh..you mean Weathering. The storm is hardly over and its
>
> about to go Force 10 shortly.
>
> >

What's your evidence?

>
> >Sweden is benefitting from a restructuring of its economy started 20 years ago
>
>
>
> Indeed it is. Its getting rid of Socialism
>
> >
>
> >http://www.economist.com/node/21564412
>

Sweden is not "getting rid of" socialism, it's adjusting. It's still a socialist country.

>

>
> >> >Socialist countries add JOBS when they expand their government services, jobs that would not otherwise exist. That gets people off the streets and back into the workforce.
>
>
>
> And where do the money come from to pay them?
>
> Think really hard about that answer before you spew it out.
>

The money comes from taxpayers - that's not intrinsicly wrong, btw. As long as the population is receiving value for their money, it's beneficial.

> >>
> >>
>
> >Russia was Communist, not socialist. Learn the difference.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Socialism is the front door to Communism"
>
> Trotsky
>

Socialism is an economic model, communism is a political model - apples and oranges.

>
>
> >> So..you think the Constitution is just a worn out piece of
>
> >>
>
> >> paper...right?
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Gunner
>
>
>
> Odd...no answer to the last question to our resident Socialist.
>
>
>
> I wonder why?
>
>

Because I don't answer every little point you bring up.
>
>

[eric h]

>
> >But, if you won't talk to the administration, it's tough to suggest improvements.
>
>
>
> Bbbut, this is a damned blue state. <sigh>
>

Yes, I'm aware of that. However, you make a sweeping statement about 40,000 people with zero proof and I'm making the point that 1) there are remedies in the system that may lower the cost of healthcare that they may not have tried and (2) that the plan may need improvement.

The insurance companies haven't stopped resisting the introduction of the ACA, and it's not because they're fighting for your rights - they're fighting a change that will lower their profits. It's entirely possible that higher-than-usual rates are being charged in an attempt to present the illusion that the ACA isn't working.

So the entire situation may be contrived and short-lived.

>

>
> >Every time he's tried to hold bilateral talks, the GOP has refused. And now you complain about his accomplishments.
>
>
>
> He says he wants to talk to get the media on his side. Then, when he
>
> shows up, he has absolutely no give at all. Yeah, real bilateral
>
> cooperation.
>

Do you have an example of this?

>
>
>
> >No other President in history has faced the level of opposition that Obama has faced. He cannot do this all by himself and it unfair for you to blame him for failures that have been arranged for him.
>
>
>
> Har! Poor, poor Barry. Everyone is against him. It's him against
>
> the entire world. Now he sees how Shrub felt, and Shrub was white.
>

The Shrub was an idiot that made disastrous decisions and deserved what he got. Not the same situation at all.

>

>
> He apologized for us where nothing was being done wrong. And he bowed
>
> to 3rd world country leaders and tried to shake the Queen's hand in
>
> the UK, despite having SEVEN handlers going over all this beforehand.
>
> The guy's a trainwreck when it comes to real politics. He has
>
> repeatedly embarrassed the entire nation in front of the world. Why
>
> would anyone be mad at him? <thud>
>
>

If you're trying to find fault, I'm sure you'll find a way, no matter how insignificant the issue.

>

>
> >How is this Obama's fault again?
>
>
>
> He made them what they are/were. Look it up! The recreation of Acorn
>
> was in his list of accomplishments I read, even. (No, don't recall
>
> the URL. I don't save bullshit URLs.)
>
>

ACORN was founded in 1975 and Obama didn't run for the Senate until 1996. Explain how he "made them what they were?"

>
>

>
> >Well, to be frank, most of the rest of the world doesn't get as hyper about flags as right-wing Americans do, so I'm on Michelle's side on this.
>
> >
>
> >It's piece of cloth, for Pete's sake. I'd rather see someone working tirelessly on behalf of Americans (which she does)
>
>
>
> Working tirelessly for _Black_ Americans, yes. She does. But she's a
>
> nasty bigot. They were going to Wright/Farrakhan's church, remember?
>

The old guilt-by-association mud slinging again, eh? Nonsense. Unless Obama said it, it doesn't apply to him.
>
Michelle is working for the health of all American children through her anti-obesity efforts, not just blacks.

>
>
>
> >than someone that gets all bent out of shape if a hunk of cloth isn't treated with reverence.
>
>
>
> It's a symbol of our nation and to diss it is to diss the nation, and
>
> you know this. Yes, I know you're on Michelle's side.
>

No, I DON'T know that dissing a symbol disses the nation.

Getting 5,000 American boys and girls killed in an illegal was is a much larger "diss" than anything Michelle has done. Your fair-haired boy did that.

Making the USA into a rogue state "disses" the nation far more than anything Michelle has done. Again, that's on Bush's plate.

Shutting down the nation's government in an attempt to blackmail the legitimate government into rescinding a law that's been passed and vetted by the Supreme Court "disses" the nation far more than Michelle has.

Your position is that of a prejudice desperately looking for support. And there really isn't any, it's just prejudice.

>
>

> >I'm sure you're right - it's impossible to please everybody.
>
> >
>
> >But 10,000 people out of 350,000,000 is 0.3333%. Even multiples of that number are statistically insignificant.
>
>
>
> So if there are mere thousands of bigots, which are statistically
>
> insignificant, why are you repetitively whining about it, hmmm?
>
>

You're the one doing the complaining, I'm just rebutting your points.

>
> Tea Partiers aren't bigots. Where'd you ever get that? Check your
>
> sources, Eric. Or change them. You're getting the wrong info.
>
>

Oh, they certainly ARE bigots. You hate the man because you think he's an "uppity N****er who shouldn't be telling white folks how to live.

You're scared that a successful black man will upstage the losers you've got running your little asylum of a political party. You're right - he will and he has, but they've done more damage to themselves.

And, unless you can blame Obama for all your problems, you have to face the fact that your people were the ones who MASSIVELY messed up this nation and that you should be spending your time apologizing for it instead of trying to disrupt those that are solving the problem for you.

>
>
>
>
>
>
> >Personally, I'd like to see these insane levels of compensation limited too, but that's the capitalism that the Tea Party trumpets.
>
>
>
> The Tea Party calls for fiscal conservatism.
>

So why are tea-party led state governments trying to break unions and subjugate women? Look at the events in Wisconsin and Texas.

>
>

>
> > Ron Paul is not solution, LOL. Ross Perot was just a deluded old man.
>
>
>
> That's why 22% of the population voted for him. I'm really sad to say
>
> that we missed our best chance at change with Ross. The only change
>
> we'll get with Obama is the potential for a 2nd American Revolution.
>
> THAT, we can all do without.
>

Since Ron Paul never was a candidate for President because he never received the mandate from the GOP to run for the office, it's disingeneous to be claiming that he got 22% of the vote.

[jon_banquer]

Perhaps Bernie Sanders and Vermont will get it right:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJASWF0IZ18

[eric h]

>
> >al Qaida is about as relevant to mainstream Islam as the Branch Davidians were to Christianity.
>
>
>
> Then why aren't all the other Muslims trying to stop their crazies
>
> from getting them all killed? That's what's coming when they don't
>
> differentiate between good(?) and bad religious extremists.
>
>

They are.

There have been over 200 fatwas issued by mainstream immams that condemn bin laden's actions and call them illegal under Muslim religious law.

bin Laden was disowned by his family.

A jurist in Yemen devised the only method that "cures" a Muslim terrorist and, at great personal risk, immams all over the Arab world have been systematically turning former muslim terrorists around. The plan has worked so well that al Qaida now targets these jurists and some have been killed, but they persist.


These actions and more have been going on since 9/11 - it just wasn't sexy for the Western media to publish stories about it.

[jon_banquer]

The purpose of "one way" free trade agreements is to allow huge multi-national corporations and big Wall Street banks to fuck the American middle class into oblivion.

"One way" free trade agreements are not an American educational problem.

[Gunner Asch]

Oh thats worked so very well hasnt it?

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Read the daily body count.

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 21:20:56 -0800 (PST), eric h
<ericch...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> >EVERYBODY got hit by the great recession (except Australia), but the people of socialist countries weathered the storm better than the USA has.
>>
>>
>>
>> Weathered? Oh..you mean Weathering. The storm is hardly over and its
>>
>> about to go Force 10 shortly.
>>
>> >
>What's your evidence?
>
>
>
>>
>> >Sweden is benefitting from a restructuring of its economy started 20 years ago
>>
>>
>>
>> Indeed it is. Its getting rid of Socialism
>>
>> >
>>
>> >http://www.economist.com/node/21564412
>>
>Sweden is not "getting rid of" socialism, it's adjusting. It's still a socialist country.

Odd that your claim is disputed by almost everyone

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-30/4-incendiary-charts-trouble-socialist-paradise

>>
>
>>
>> >> >Socialist countries add JOBS when they expand their government services, jobs that would not otherwise exist. That gets people off the streets and back into the workforce.
>>
>>
>>
>> And where do the money come from to pay them?
>>
>> Think really hard about that answer before you spew it out.
>>
>The money comes from taxpayers - that's not intrinsicly wrong, btw. As long as the population is receiving value for their money, it's beneficial.
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>> >Russia was Communist, not socialist. Learn the difference.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Socialism is the front door to Communism"
>>
>> Trotsky
>>
>Socialism is an economic model, communism is a political model - apples and oranges.

Tell that to Trotsky, Lenin and Marx.

They will tell roll their eyes and tell you to piss off.

>
>>
>>
>> >> So..you think the Constitution is just a worn out piece of
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> paper...right?
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Gunner
>>
>>
>>
>> Odd...no answer to the last question to our resident Socialist.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wonder why?
>>
>>
>Because I don't answer every little point you bring up.

Of course you dont, Comrade.

Your silence is noted. Your name has been forwarded to those keeping
the List.

[Gunner Asch]

On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 02:08:06 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>>Sweden is not "getting rid of" socialism, it's adjusting. It's still a socialist country.
>
>Odd that your claim is disputed by almost everyone
>
>http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-30/4-incendiary-charts-trouble-socialist-paradise

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-22/swedish-youth-riots-enter-third-day

So hows that Socialism working out for the Swedes eh?

Laugh laugh laugh laugh!!

[Jim Wilkins]

"eric h" <ericch...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:5147c5cc-b9b2-4244...@googlegroups.com...

Some was deserved, some was childish retaliation for the right's
disapproval of Clinton, for instance the impeachment cries. Bush was
being blamed for the economic downturn BEFORE the election.

I lost confidence in GWB in October 2001 after learning of the plan to
provoke a war with Iraq. But don't forget that the leading Dems
strongly supported war, and Clinton's unjustified air attacks had
empowered Saddam to kick out the UN inspectors who were suppressing
Iraqi weapons production.

The mistaken belief that he had then restarted production passed from
Clinton to Bush unchanged. It was based on the false testimony of
Iraqi defectors with a grudge against the regime, and supported by
SH's bluster which was meant to intimidate Iran, but to his surprise
deceived us as well.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/curveball-man-who-lied-about-wmds-comes-clean/2012/04/03/gIQAUdditS_blog.html
Our high-tech spying failed to confirm or deny the reports, just as
they had when Clinton wrongly blew up the medicine factory in Africa.

Don't let the left subvert you with their lure of moral superiority,
the modern equivalent of medieval Indulgences which now bestow a
license to hate and envy.

[eric h]

OH, NOES! Not "the list!" Anything but "the list!"

You MUST be kidding.

[eric h]

Seriously?

You're posting stuff that's 6 months old, was a one-time occurrence caused by the police shooting of someone carrying a machete and from a site that uses a pseudonym for the name of the managing director?

You've GOT to be kidding. Try again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge

[eric h]

Hey, I'll agree in a second that no politician is perfect. We expect them to "save" us and that's just not going to happen. We must save ourselves.

But I think Bush's condemnation is well-deserved. Technically, he IS a war criminal and should be prosecuted. He DID set in motion the events that caused the recession.

But that's water under the bridge now.

[Larry Jaques]

On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 21:58:27 -0800 (PST), eric h
<ericch...@gmail.com> wrote:


>> He made them what they are/were. Look it up! The recreation of Acorn
>>
>> was in his list of accomplishments I read, even. (No, don't recall
>>
>> the URL. I don't save bullshit URLs.)
>>
>>
>ACORN was founded in 1975 and Obama didn't run for the Senate until 1996. Explain how he "made them what they were?"

If you read my post, I said "recreation of Acorn", his words.

>> Working tirelessly for _Black_ Americans, yes. She does. But she's a
>>
>> nasty bigot. They were going to Wright/Farrakhan's church, remember?
>>
>The old guilt-by-association mud slinging again, eh? Nonsense. Unless Obama said it, it doesn't apply to him.
>>
>Michelle is working for the health of all American children through her anti-obesity efforts, not just blacks.

OK, that's 1%. What about the other 99%?

>> So if there are mere thousands of bigots, which are statistically
>>
>> insignificant, why are you repetitively whining about it, hmmm?
>>
>>
>You're the one doing the complaining, I'm just rebutting your points.

I merely replied to your OP, in which -you- whined, sir.

>> Tea Partiers aren't bigots. Where'd you ever get that? Check your
>>
>> sources, Eric. Or change them. You're getting the wrong info.
>>
>>
>Oh, they certainly ARE bigots. You hate the man because you think he's an "uppity N****er who shouldn't be telling white folks how to live.

Whoa there, pard. Your anti-bigot tirade stepped over the line. And
with that, you are now in my twit filter. Idiot.

>Since Ron Paul never was a candidate for President because he never received the mandate from the GOP to run for the office, it's disingeneous to be claiming that he got 22% of the vote.

I said ROSS, not Ron, dipshit.

[Gunner Asch]

So if thats your belief...when will we be hearing your calls for
impeachment and a trial for Obama? You do know that he has violated
the Rules of War repeatedly and has "gotten really good at killing
people" including the innocent

[Gunner Asch]

On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 05:49:27 -0800 (PST), eric h

Why would I be kidding? We are on the brink of the Second American
Revolution...and the Left....will die enmass as a result when it goes
off.

Shrug

Its been a long time coming.

Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

You have got to be kidding. You are complaining about a 6 month old
data point..and you were writing about how Sweden started changing
things 6 yrs ago?

Sorry Comrade...thats funny as hell.

Google "sweden abandons socialism"

11,500,000 hits

Thats even funnier


Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 06:29:13 -0800, Larry Jaques
<lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:

>>>
>>Oh, they certainly ARE bigots. You hate the man because you think he's an "uppity N****er who shouldn't be telling white folks how to live.
>
>Whoa there, pard. Your anti-bigot tirade stepped over the line. And
>with that, you are now in my twit filter. Idiot.
>

Eric certainly is a bigot himself.

Its commonly known that Im not white and he starts swinging the
"bigot/racist" Leftwing catch phrase around like a demented child with
a cat by the tail.

Obama is 50% white, 44% middle eastern and ONLY 6% black

So what the fuck is there to be racist about? Oh...I know..DNC
talking points are worth a lot of money in payments to their
operatives on Usenet. Sorry...I forgot those clowns get paid to post
here.

[Larry Jaques]

On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 11:16:36 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 05:58:24 -0800 (PST), eric h
><ericch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:47:23 AM UTC-5, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>> "eric h" <ericch...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>>> Don't let the left subvert you with their lure of moral superiority,
>>>
>>> the modern equivalent of medieval Indulgences which now bestow a
>>>
>>> license to hate and envy.
>>
>>
>>Hey, I'll agree in a second that no politician is perfect. We expect them to "save" us and that's just not going to happen. We must save ourselves.
>>
>>But I think Bush's condemnation is well-deserved. Technically, he IS a war criminal and should be prosecuted. He DID set in motion the events that caused the recession.
>>
>>But that's water under the bridge now.
>
>So if thats your belief...when will we be hearing your calls for
>impeachment and a trial for Obama? You do know that he has violated
>the Rules of War repeatedly and has "gotten really good at killing
>people" including the innocent

Ever wonder why all the Leftists feel free to hate, but don't see it
as such? Then they condemn us for intolerance, calling it hate when
we simply have disdain for someone. Oh, well. The Cull will fix all
that. When -is- it coming?