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abelincoln ___O___
Feb 20, 2012, 6:50:52 PM2/20/12
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Without their revisionist lies, today's extreme radical kooky
right has nothing.
Fascism, Nazism and Conservatism
European fascism drew on existing anti-modernist
conservatism, and on the conservative reaction to communism
and 19th-century socialism. Conservative thinkers such as
historian Oswald Spengler provided much of the world view
(Weltanschauung) of the Nazi movement.
In Britain, the conservative Daily Mail enthusiastically
backed Sir Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists, and
part of the Conservative Party supported closer ties with
Nazi Germany.
When defeat in World War II ideologically and historically
discredited fascism, almost all Western conservatives tried
to distance themselves from it. Nevertheless, many post-war
Western conservatives continued to admire the Franco regime
in Spain, clearly conservative but also fascist in origin.
With the end of the Franco regime and Portugal's Estado Novo
in the 1970s, the relationship between conservatism and
classical European fascism was further weakened.
Militarism is perhaps the most striking similarity between
Fascism and contemporary American conservatism. Of course,
there are many liberals in America who support the military
and even call for increased military spending.
Even so, American liberals are traditionally more skeptical
of the military than American conservatives. It is often said
that Neoconservatives, like Hitler, see the military as a
paradigm for problem solving (even in situations that may
render militarism impractical or unethical).
The relationship of fascism to right-wing ideologies
(including some that are described as neo-fascist) is still
an issue for conservatives and their opponents. Especially in
Germany, there is a constant exchange of ideology and
persons, between the influential national-conservative
movement, and self-identified national-socialist groups. In
Italy too, there is no clear line between conservatives, and
movements inspired by the Italian Fascism of the 1920s to
1940s, including the Alleanza Nazionale which is member of
the governing coalition under premier Silvio Berlusconi.
Conservative attitudes to the 20th-century fascist regimes
are still an issue.
Under an ideological definition of Socialism, for example one
stating that only a system adhering to the principles of
Marxism can qualify as socialist there is a well-defined gap
between Nazism and socialism. Nazi leaders were opposed to
the Marxist idea of class conflict and opposed the idea that
capitalism should be abolished and that workers should
control the means of production. For those who consider class
conflict and the abolition of capitalism as essential
components of socialism, these factors alone are sufficient
to categorize "National Socialism" as non-socialist.
===
For socialists who consider democracy a core tenet of
socialism, Nazism is often seen as a polar opposite of their
views. Primo Levi argued that there was an important
distinction between the policies of Nazi Germany and those of
the Soviet Union or the People's Republic of China: while
they were all arguably totalitarian, and all had their idea
of what kind of parasitic classes or races society ought to
be rid of, Levi saw the Nazis assigning a place given by
birth (since one is born into a certain race), while the
Soviets and Chinese determined their enemies according to
their social position (which people may change within their
life). There are many other philosophical differences between
Nazism and Marxism. There were ideological shades of opinion
within the Nazi Party, particularly before their seizure of
power in 1933, but a central tenet of the party was always
the leader principle or Führerprinzip. The Nazi Party did not
have party congresses in which policy was deliberated upon
and concessions made to different factions. What mattered
most was what the leader, Adolf Hitler, thought and decreed.
Those who held opinions which were at variance with Hitler's
either learned to keep quiet or were purged, particularly
after 1933. This is compared to the behavior of certain
Communist states such as that of Stalin in the Soviet Union
or Mao Zedong in China. Critics of this view point out that
Mussolini imprisoned Antonio Gramsci from 1926 until 1934,
after Gramsci, a leader of the Italian Communist Party and
leading Marxist intellectual, tried to create a common front
among the political left and the workers, in order to resist
and overthrow fascism. Other Italian Communist leaders like
Palmiro Togliatti went into exile and fought for the Republic
in Spain.
-------------------------
The 2000 book, Right-Wing Populism in America, details its
history from Bacon's Rebellion to the Ku Klux Klan to the
modern-day Posse Comitatus and militia/Patriot movements.
What distinguishes these populists from their left-wing
counterparts, as Berlet explains, is that "they combine
attacks on socially oppressed groups with grassroots mass
mobilization and distorted forms of antielitism based on
scapegoating." Other notorious right wing figures in 20th
century history include Father Charles Coughlin, the rabid
anti-Semitic radio talker of the 1930s, and Sen. Joe
McCarthy.
Beyond the Klan, there were the Silver Shirts, the American
Nazi Party, the Posse Comitatus, the Aryan Nations, or the
National Alliance -- all of them openly right wing fascist
organizations, many of them involved in some of the nation's
most horrific historical events. (The Oklahoma City bombing,
for instance), then there was William Dudley Pelley, Gerald
L.K.Smith, George Lincoln Rockwell, William Potter Gale,
Richard Butler, and David Duke -- all of them bona fide right
wing racists and fascists.
"the Left" were the people who were beaten and murdered in
the 1920s by the squadristi and the Brownshirts; and the
first Germans sent off to Nazi concentration camps like
Dachau were not Jews but socialists, communists, and other
left-wing political prisoners, including "liberal" priests
and clerics.
Then why did the Nazis HATE Marxism, Communism, and
Socialism? Just how uneducated do you Conservative
propagandists assume we are? Everybody knows the Nazis were
right wingers.
From "World Book Encyclopedia", 1958, p. 5467:
The name National Socialist German Workers Party does not
correctly describe the Nazi movement. It was neither
socialist nor organized for the benefit of workers. The
name was apparently developed in an effort to win the
support of the working classes....
Nazism was only a part of of the broad social movement
known as Fascism which gained millions of supporters in
many countries during the 1930's....
The industrialists gave financial support to the party
because they thought the Nazis would protect them from
from socialism and communism, and from the increasing
strength of the labor unions.
End Quotes.
britannica.com
http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/9/0,5716,56489+1+551
11,00.html Nazi Party June 24 '00
"The [Nazi] party's socialist orientation was basically a
demagogic gambit designed to attract support from the
working class."
("Gambit;" From "legs." Something designed to trip up
another. Any maneuver by which one seeks to gain an
advantage.)
"By 1932 big-business circles had begun to finance the
Nazi electoral campaigns, and ...."
"Under the leadership of Adolf Hitler, the party came to
power in Germany in 1933 and governed by totalitarian....
Next year:
"Hitler crushed the Nazi Party's left, or
socialist-oriented,
wing in 1934, executing Ernst Röhm and other rebellious
SA leaders at this time. Thereafter, Hitler's word was
the supreme and undisputed command in the party."
===========
From the Concord Desk Encyclopedia, 1977, Fascism, p 455:
"It rejects...liberalism... and socialism. Instead it
promotes
an organic social order whereby the individual will find
his own place in family, profession and society
according to his character and ability. Nationalism and
militarism are its logical products and thus it has
close ties with Nazism. `Fascist` has become a term of
abuse for many because of the ugly aspects of fascism,
and is often used of anyone whose views are right wing.
right has nothing.
Fascism, Nazism and Conservatism
European fascism drew on existing anti-modernist
conservatism, and on the conservative reaction to communism
and 19th-century socialism. Conservative thinkers such as
historian Oswald Spengler provided much of the world view
(Weltanschauung) of the Nazi movement.
In Britain, the conservative Daily Mail enthusiastically
backed Sir Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists, and
part of the Conservative Party supported closer ties with
Nazi Germany.
When defeat in World War II ideologically and historically
discredited fascism, almost all Western conservatives tried
to distance themselves from it. Nevertheless, many post-war
Western conservatives continued to admire the Franco regime
in Spain, clearly conservative but also fascist in origin.
With the end of the Franco regime and Portugal's Estado Novo
in the 1970s, the relationship between conservatism and
classical European fascism was further weakened.
Militarism is perhaps the most striking similarity between
Fascism and contemporary American conservatism. Of course,
there are many liberals in America who support the military
and even call for increased military spending.
Even so, American liberals are traditionally more skeptical
of the military than American conservatives. It is often said
that Neoconservatives, like Hitler, see the military as a
paradigm for problem solving (even in situations that may
render militarism impractical or unethical).
The relationship of fascism to right-wing ideologies
(including some that are described as neo-fascist) is still
an issue for conservatives and their opponents. Especially in
Germany, there is a constant exchange of ideology and
persons, between the influential national-conservative
movement, and self-identified national-socialist groups. In
Italy too, there is no clear line between conservatives, and
movements inspired by the Italian Fascism of the 1920s to
1940s, including the Alleanza Nazionale which is member of
the governing coalition under premier Silvio Berlusconi.
Conservative attitudes to the 20th-century fascist regimes
are still an issue.
Under an ideological definition of Socialism, for example one
stating that only a system adhering to the principles of
Marxism can qualify as socialist there is a well-defined gap
between Nazism and socialism. Nazi leaders were opposed to
the Marxist idea of class conflict and opposed the idea that
capitalism should be abolished and that workers should
control the means of production. For those who consider class
conflict and the abolition of capitalism as essential
components of socialism, these factors alone are sufficient
to categorize "National Socialism" as non-socialist.
===
For socialists who consider democracy a core tenet of
socialism, Nazism is often seen as a polar opposite of their
views. Primo Levi argued that there was an important
distinction between the policies of Nazi Germany and those of
the Soviet Union or the People's Republic of China: while
they were all arguably totalitarian, and all had their idea
of what kind of parasitic classes or races society ought to
be rid of, Levi saw the Nazis assigning a place given by
birth (since one is born into a certain race), while the
Soviets and Chinese determined their enemies according to
their social position (which people may change within their
life). There are many other philosophical differences between
Nazism and Marxism. There were ideological shades of opinion
within the Nazi Party, particularly before their seizure of
power in 1933, but a central tenet of the party was always
the leader principle or Führerprinzip. The Nazi Party did not
have party congresses in which policy was deliberated upon
and concessions made to different factions. What mattered
most was what the leader, Adolf Hitler, thought and decreed.
Those who held opinions which were at variance with Hitler's
either learned to keep quiet or were purged, particularly
after 1933. This is compared to the behavior of certain
Communist states such as that of Stalin in the Soviet Union
or Mao Zedong in China. Critics of this view point out that
Mussolini imprisoned Antonio Gramsci from 1926 until 1934,
after Gramsci, a leader of the Italian Communist Party and
leading Marxist intellectual, tried to create a common front
among the political left and the workers, in order to resist
and overthrow fascism. Other Italian Communist leaders like
Palmiro Togliatti went into exile and fought for the Republic
in Spain.
-------------------------
The 2000 book, Right-Wing Populism in America, details its
history from Bacon's Rebellion to the Ku Klux Klan to the
modern-day Posse Comitatus and militia/Patriot movements.
What distinguishes these populists from their left-wing
counterparts, as Berlet explains, is that "they combine
attacks on socially oppressed groups with grassroots mass
mobilization and distorted forms of antielitism based on
scapegoating." Other notorious right wing figures in 20th
century history include Father Charles Coughlin, the rabid
anti-Semitic radio talker of the 1930s, and Sen. Joe
McCarthy.
Beyond the Klan, there were the Silver Shirts, the American
Nazi Party, the Posse Comitatus, the Aryan Nations, or the
National Alliance -- all of them openly right wing fascist
organizations, many of them involved in some of the nation's
most horrific historical events. (The Oklahoma City bombing,
for instance), then there was William Dudley Pelley, Gerald
L.K.Smith, George Lincoln Rockwell, William Potter Gale,
Richard Butler, and David Duke -- all of them bona fide right
wing racists and fascists.
"the Left" were the people who were beaten and murdered in
the 1920s by the squadristi and the Brownshirts; and the
first Germans sent off to Nazi concentration camps like
Dachau were not Jews but socialists, communists, and other
left-wing political prisoners, including "liberal" priests
and clerics.
Then why did the Nazis HATE Marxism, Communism, and
Socialism? Just how uneducated do you Conservative
propagandists assume we are? Everybody knows the Nazis were
right wingers.
From "World Book Encyclopedia", 1958, p. 5467:
The name National Socialist German Workers Party does not
correctly describe the Nazi movement. It was neither
socialist nor organized for the benefit of workers. The
name was apparently developed in an effort to win the
support of the working classes....
Nazism was only a part of of the broad social movement
known as Fascism which gained millions of supporters in
many countries during the 1930's....
The industrialists gave financial support to the party
because they thought the Nazis would protect them from
from socialism and communism, and from the increasing
strength of the labor unions.
End Quotes.
britannica.com
http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/9/0,5716,56489+1+551
11,00.html Nazi Party June 24 '00
"The [Nazi] party's socialist orientation was basically a
demagogic gambit designed to attract support from the
working class."
("Gambit;" From "legs." Something designed to trip up
another. Any maneuver by which one seeks to gain an
advantage.)
"By 1932 big-business circles had begun to finance the
Nazi electoral campaigns, and ...."
"Under the leadership of Adolf Hitler, the party came to
power in Germany in 1933 and governed by totalitarian....
Next year:
"Hitler crushed the Nazi Party's left, or
socialist-oriented,
wing in 1934, executing Ernst Röhm and other rebellious
SA leaders at this time. Thereafter, Hitler's word was
the supreme and undisputed command in the party."
===========
From the Concord Desk Encyclopedia, 1977, Fascism, p 455:
"It rejects...liberalism... and socialism. Instead it
promotes
an organic social order whereby the individual will find
his own place in family, profession and society
according to his character and ability. Nationalism and
militarism are its logical products and thus it has
close ties with Nazism. `Fascist` has become a term of
abuse for many because of the ugly aspects of fascism,
and is often used of anyone whose views are right wing.
Leonard Pulver
Feb 20, 2012, 9:33:58 PM2/20/12
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George Plimpton
Feb 20, 2012, 9:46:05 PM2/20/12
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On 2/20/2012 6:33 PM, Leonard Pulver wrote:
> Without their revisionist lies,
None.
> Without their revisionist lies,
None.
Gunner Asch
Feb 21, 2012, 1:01:12 AM2/21/12
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On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:33:58 +0000 (UTC), Leonard Pulver
<last...@primus.ca> wrote:
>Without their revisionist lies, today's extreme radical kooky
>right has nothing.
>
>Fascism, Nazism a
Nothing to be concerned about..given that Fascism and Nazism are simply
<last...@primus.ca> wrote:
>Without their revisionist lies, today's extreme radical kooky
>right has nothing.
>
>Fascism, Nazism a
Socialist political systems, as is Neo Liberalism..IE todays Democratic
Party.
Seems we have another Leftwinger trying revisionist lies of his own.
Given that virtually all Leftwingers are mentally ill..one can conclude
that he is suffereing from Transference.
Pity he will be dead in less than 10 months.
Well..not a pity really..more of a relief.
--
One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch
Neville M Wiles
Feb 21, 2012, 11:08:16 AM2/21/12
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On 2/20/2012 10:01 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:33:58 +0000 (UTC), Leonard Pulver
> <last...@primus.ca> wrote:
>
>> Without their revisionist lies, today's extreme radical kooky
>> right has nothing.
>>
>> Fascism, Nazism a
>
> Nothing to be concerned about..given that Fascism and Nazism are simply
> Socialist political systems,
They aren't, gummer. No matter how many times you try to sell it, no
> On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:33:58 +0000 (UTC), Leonard Pulver
> <last...@primus.ca> wrote:
>
>> Without their revisionist lies, today's extreme radical kooky
>> right has nothing.
>>
>> Fascism, Nazism a
>
> Nothing to be concerned about..given that Fascism and Nazism are simply
> Socialist political systems,
one is buying. Fascism and Nazism are ideologies of the extreme right.
Gunner Asch
Feb 21, 2012, 1:45:57 PM2/21/12
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Neville M Wiles
Feb 21, 2012, 1:54:21 PM2/21/12
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On 2/21/2012 10:45 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 08:08:16 -0800, Neville M Wiles
> <kick.dwe...@taft.sucks.for.sure> wrote:
>
>> On 2/20/2012 10:01 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:33:58 +0000 (UTC), Leonard Pulver
>>> <last...@primus.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Without their revisionist lies, today's extreme radical kooky
>>>> right has nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Fascism, Nazism a
>>>
>>> Nothing to be concerned about..given that Fascism and Nazism are simply
>>> Socialist political systems,
>>
>> They aren't, gummer. No matter how many times you try to sell it, no
>> one is buying. Fascism and Nazism are ideologies of the extreme right.
>
> Cites?
Yes, you have no cites to support your position. We've noticed.
> On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 08:08:16 -0800, Neville M Wiles
> <kick.dwe...@taft.sucks.for.sure> wrote:
>
>> On 2/20/2012 10:01 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:33:58 +0000 (UTC), Leonard Pulver
>>> <last...@primus.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Without their revisionist lies, today's extreme radical kooky
>>>> right has nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Fascism, Nazism a
>>>
>>> Nothing to be concerned about..given that Fascism and Nazism are simply
>>> Socialist political systems,
>>
>> They aren't, gummer. No matter how many times you try to sell it, no
>> one is buying. Fascism and Nazism are ideologies of the extreme right.
>
> Cites?
John B.
Feb 22, 2012, 12:14:13 AM2/22/12
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On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:45:57 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
http://www.merriam-webster.com
Definition of FASCISM
often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as
that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the
individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government
headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social
regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
Definition of NAZISM
the body of political and economic doctrines held and put into effect
by the Nazis in Germany from 1933 to 1945 including the totalitarian
principle of government, predominance of especially Germanic groups
assumed to be racially superior, and supremacy of the führer
Definition of SOCIALISM
any of various economic and political theories advocating collective
or governmental ownership and administration of the means of
production and distribution of goods
--
Cheers,
John B.
wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 08:08:16 -0800, Neville M Wiles
><kick.dwe...@taft.sucks.for.sure> wrote:
>
>>On 2/20/2012 10:01 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:33:58 +0000 (UTC), Leonard Pulver
>>> <last...@primus.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Without their revisionist lies, today's extreme radical kooky
>>>> right has nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Fascism, Nazism a
>>>
>>> Nothing to be concerned about..given that Fascism and Nazism are simply
>>> Socialist political systems,
>>
>>They aren't, gummer. No matter how many times you try to sell it, no
>>one is buying. Fascism and Nazism are ideologies of the extreme right.
>
>Cites?
Cites? all right, from the dictionary:
>On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 08:08:16 -0800, Neville M Wiles
><kick.dwe...@taft.sucks.for.sure> wrote:
>
>>On 2/20/2012 10:01 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:33:58 +0000 (UTC), Leonard Pulver
>>> <last...@primus.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Without their revisionist lies, today's extreme radical kooky
>>>> right has nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Fascism, Nazism a
>>>
>>> Nothing to be concerned about..given that Fascism and Nazism are simply
>>> Socialist political systems,
>>
>>They aren't, gummer. No matter how many times you try to sell it, no
>>one is buying. Fascism and Nazism are ideologies of the extreme right.
>
>Cites?
http://www.merriam-webster.com
Definition of FASCISM
often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as
that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the
individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government
headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social
regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
Definition of NAZISM
the body of political and economic doctrines held and put into effect
by the Nazis in Germany from 1933 to 1945 including the totalitarian
principle of government, predominance of especially Germanic groups
assumed to be racially superior, and supremacy of the führer
Definition of SOCIALISM
any of various economic and political theories advocating collective
or governmental ownership and administration of the means of
production and distribution of goods
--
Cheers,
John B.
Gunner Asch
Feb 25, 2012, 6:39:20 PM2/25/12
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:14:13 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>
Indeed.
I dont know why our socialist buddies keep denying they share the same
political idolagy as fascists
http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html
Gunner
I dont know why our socialist buddies keep denying they share the same
political idolagy as fascists
http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html
Gunner
John B.
Feb 25, 2012, 9:52:48 PM2/25/12
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 15:39:20 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html
Jesus Gunner, you'll believe anything. Do you also read the wisdom
inscribed in magic-marker on toilet walls?
Even a rudimentary search of runes would show you that there is no
rune that looks like a swastika and secondly that the one that looks
closest to looking like a swastika is "Jera"(J). One assumes that
this is a secret sign to show that the Nazis actually were Jews in
disguise.
To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "the problem is not that they are so
ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so."
--
Cheers,
John B.
wrote:
>http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html
Jesus Gunner, you'll believe anything. Do you also read the wisdom
inscribed in magic-marker on toilet walls?
Even a rudimentary search of runes would show you that there is no
rune that looks like a swastika and secondly that the one that looks
closest to looking like a swastika is "Jera"(J). One assumes that
this is a secret sign to show that the Nazis actually were Jews in
disguise.
To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "the problem is not that they are so
ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so."
--
Cheers,
John B.
Gunner Asch
Feb 26, 2012, 12:39:03 AM2/26/12
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:52:48 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Odd that you miss the swastika being crossed S's (for Socialist)
Funny how you seem to swerve all over the map.
wrote:
Funny how you seem to swerve all over the map.
John B.
Feb 26, 2012, 7:13:07 AM2/26/12
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On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 21:39:03 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
Of course, you will need to ignore the fact that the earliest use of
the swastika seems to be about 10,000 BC and there is evidence of its
use in Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism, In Iran, the Urals, Armenia,
Greco-Roman, Celtic, Germanic, Illyrian antiquity, pre-Christian
Europe and folk culture, the Baltic, Slavic, Samai cultures, Medieval
and early modern Europe, Iceland, Ireland, Finland. Latvia, and many
other cultures. The Finish Air Force adopted the swastika as an
emblem as early as 16 March 1918.
And, of course, Adolf Hitler, writing in Mein Kampf says,
"those revered colors expressive of our homage to the glorious past
and which once brought so much honor to the German nation." (Red,
white, and black were the colors of the flag of the old German
Empire.) As National Socialists, we see our program in our flag. In
red, we see the social idea of the movement; in white, the
nationalistic idea; in the swastika, the mission of the struggle for
the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of
the idea of creative work."
The swastika was also understood as "the symbol of the creating,
acting life" (das Symbol des schaffenden, wirkenden Lebens) and as
"race emblem of Germanism" (Rasseabzeichen des Germanentums).
But if you say so we can ignore history and accept that the swastika
means socialism, rather then the color red that the leader and
originator of the National Socialist party says represents socialism,
--
Cheers,
John B.
wrote:
>On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:52:48 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 15:39:20 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html
>>
>>
>>Jesus Gunner, you'll believe anything. Do you also read the wisdom
>>inscribed in magic-marker on toilet walls?
>>
>>Even a rudimentary search of runes would show you that there is no
>>rune that looks like a swastika and secondly that the one that looks
>>closest to looking like a swastika is "Jera"(J). One assumes that
>>this is a secret sign to show that the Nazis actually were Jews in
>>disguise.
>>
>>To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "the problem is not that they are so
>>ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so."
>
>Odd that you miss the swastika being crossed S's (for Socialist)
>
>Funny how you seem to swerve all over the map.
I suppose you can say that.
>On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:52:48 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 15:39:20 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html
>>
>>
>>Jesus Gunner, you'll believe anything. Do you also read the wisdom
>>inscribed in magic-marker on toilet walls?
>>
>>Even a rudimentary search of runes would show you that there is no
>>rune that looks like a swastika and secondly that the one that looks
>>closest to looking like a swastika is "Jera"(J). One assumes that
>>this is a secret sign to show that the Nazis actually were Jews in
>>disguise.
>>
>>To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "the problem is not that they are so
>>ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so."
>
>Odd that you miss the swastika being crossed S's (for Socialist)
>
>Funny how you seem to swerve all over the map.
Of course, you will need to ignore the fact that the earliest use of
the swastika seems to be about 10,000 BC and there is evidence of its
use in Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism, In Iran, the Urals, Armenia,
Greco-Roman, Celtic, Germanic, Illyrian antiquity, pre-Christian
Europe and folk culture, the Baltic, Slavic, Samai cultures, Medieval
and early modern Europe, Iceland, Ireland, Finland. Latvia, and many
other cultures. The Finish Air Force adopted the swastika as an
emblem as early as 16 March 1918.
And, of course, Adolf Hitler, writing in Mein Kampf says,
"those revered colors expressive of our homage to the glorious past
and which once brought so much honor to the German nation." (Red,
white, and black were the colors of the flag of the old German
Empire.) As National Socialists, we see our program in our flag. In
red, we see the social idea of the movement; in white, the
nationalistic idea; in the swastika, the mission of the struggle for
the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of
the idea of creative work."
The swastika was also understood as "the symbol of the creating,
acting life" (das Symbol des schaffenden, wirkenden Lebens) and as
"race emblem of Germanism" (Rasseabzeichen des Germanentums).
But if you say so we can ignore history and accept that the swastika
means socialism, rather then the color red that the leader and
originator of the National Socialist party says represents socialism,
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Cheers,
John B.
Gunner Asch
Feb 26, 2012, 11:49:30 AM2/26/12
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:13:07 +0700, John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com>
You again pick and choose. We were discussing the Germans use of it.
You are aware that the symbol is also used in Hopi and Navajo culture as
well?
Gunner
You are aware that the symbol is also used in Hopi and Navajo culture as
well?
Gunner
George Plimpton
Feb 27, 2012, 12:55:26 AM2/27/12
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On 2/25/2012 9:39 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:52:48 +0700, John B.<johnbs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 15:39:20 -0800, Gunner Asch<gunne...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html
>>
>>
>> Jesus Gunner, you'll believe anything. Do you also read the wisdom
>> inscribed in magic-marker on toilet walls?
>>
>> Even a rudimentary search of runes would show you that there is no
>> rune that looks like a swastika and secondly that the one that looks
>> closest to looking like a swastika is "Jera"(J). One assumes that
>> this is a secret sign to show that the Nazis actually were Jews in
>> disguise.
>>
>> To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "the problem is not that they are so
>> ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so."
>
> Odd that you miss the swastika being crossed S's (for Socialist)
No.
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:52:48 +0700, John B.<johnbs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 15:39:20 -0800, Gunner Asch<gunne...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html
>>
>>
>> Jesus Gunner, you'll believe anything. Do you also read the wisdom
>> inscribed in magic-marker on toilet walls?
>>
>> Even a rudimentary search of runes would show you that there is no
>> rune that looks like a swastika and secondly that the one that looks
>> closest to looking like a swastika is "Jera"(J). One assumes that
>> this is a secret sign to show that the Nazis actually were Jews in
>> disguise.
>>
>> To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "the problem is not that they are so
>> ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so."
>
> Odd that you miss the swastika being crossed S's (for Socialist)
John B.
Feb 27, 2012, 1:47:35 AM2/27/12
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 08:49:30 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
errr... Somehow I had thought that the National Socialist German
Workers' Party (English translation), a German political party, formed
in 1920, and headed by Adolf Hitler (naturalized German citizen),
who's book Mein Kampf was generally considered the bible of the
movement, and who wrote " As National Socialists, we see our program
in our flag. In red, we see the social idea of the movement...", would
have known the secrets.
Apparently not, though...
>You are aware that the symbol is also used in Hopi and Navajo culture as
>well?
>
As I wrote above. Practically every culture used it as a symbol at one
time or another. For that matter the Germanic tribes used the swastika
as far back as 300 AD (or CE if you are politically correct). somewhat
before the benefits of socialism had been discovered.
>Gunner
--
Cheers,
John B.
Workers' Party (English translation), a German political party, formed
in 1920, and headed by Adolf Hitler (naturalized German citizen),
who's book Mein Kampf was generally considered the bible of the
movement, and who wrote " As National Socialists, we see our program
in our flag. In red, we see the social idea of the movement...", would
have known the secrets.
Apparently not, though...
>You are aware that the symbol is also used in Hopi and Navajo culture as
>well?
>
time or another. For that matter the Germanic tribes used the swastika
as far back as 300 AD (or CE if you are politically correct). somewhat
before the benefits of socialism had been discovered.
>Gunner
--
Cheers,
John B.
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