OT - Vindicating John Yoo -- Bush lawyers are found to have acted ethically, unlike their accusers
Joseph Gwinn
<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870475790457507818230340594
8.html>
The Wall Street Journal, 22 February 2010.
Joe Gwinn
PS: There was a related short news article "Lawyers Cleared Over 9/11
Memos" last week, on page A5 of the 20 February 2010 issue of the WSJ.
(The article may be behind a paywall.)
Ignoramus22838
> Title says it all. This is a thunderer of an opinion piece.
>
><http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870475790457507818230340594
> 8.html>
>
Joe, is there some way that you can find, not to wrap those URLs.
i
cavelamb
> On 2010-02-22, Joseph Gwinn <joeg...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Title says it all. This is a thunderer of an opinion piece.
>>
>> <http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870475790457507818230340594
>> 8.html>
>>
>
> Joe, is there some way that you can find, not to wrap those URLs.
>
> i
>
>>
>> Joe Gwinn
>>
http://tinyurl.com/preview.php
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Ignoramus22838
> In <386dndPm2JbKEx_W...@giganews.com>, on Mon, 22 Feb 2010
>> On 2010-02-22, Joseph Gwinn <joeg...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>> Joe, is there some way that you can find, not to wrap those URLs.
>
>
Yes, great, thanks
Dave__67
Anyone who would put any support behind these scum deserve to be
treated like Yoo suggests is just fine:
"At the core of the legal arguments were the views of Yoo, strongly
backed by David Addington, Vice President Dick Cheney's legal counsel,
that the president's wartime powers were essentially unlimited and
included the authority to override laws passed by Congress, such as a
statute banning the use of torture. Pressed on his views in an
interview with OPR investigators, Yoo was asked:
"What about ordering a village of resistants to be massacred? ... Is
that a power that the president could legally—"
"Yeah," Yoo replied, according to a partial transcript included in the
report. "Although, let me say this: So, certainly, that would fall
within the commander-in-chief's power over tactical decisions."
"To order a village of civilians to be [exterminated]?" the OPR
investigator asked again.
"Sure," said Yoo. "
Fucking wonderful bunch, there.
Dave
Joseph Gwinn
Ignoramus22838 <ignoram...@NOSPAM.22838.invalid> wrote:
> On 2010-02-22, Joseph Gwinn <joeg...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > Title says it all. This is a thunderer of an opinion piece.
> >
> ><http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870475790457507818230340594
> > 8.html>
> >
>
> Joe, is there some way that you can find, not to wrap those URLs.
Not in a reply, but in the original posting if you just click on it the
newsreader should be able to figure it out. That's the reason for the
angle brackets <> fore and aft.
Joe Gwinn
Larry Jaques
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.22838.invalid> scrawled the following:
>On 2010-02-22, Joseph Gwinn <joeg...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Title says it all. This is a thunderer of an opinion piece.
>>
>><http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870475790457507818230340594
>> 8.html>
>>
>
>Joe, is there some way that you can find, not to wrap those URLs.
Yeah, I wish for that, too.
Normally, the GT/LT symbols on either end fix that, but it never seems
to work for Joe's posts. I always highlight the last part (8.html in
this case), Ctrl-C, and then click on the top portion. WSJ comes up
broken so I go to the end of the URL shown, unselect it, and paste in
that last bit. Hit enter and it comes right up.
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"Just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt."
-- Clarence Darrow
Ignoramus22838
> In <joegwinn-8B66A8...@news.giganews.com>, on Mon, 22 Feb 2010
>> In article <386dndPm2JbKEx_W...@giganews.com>,
>> Ignoramus22838 <ignoram...@NOSPAM.22838.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2010-02-22, Joseph Gwinn <joeg...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> > Title says it all. This is a thunderer of an opinion piece.
>>> >
>>> ><http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870475790457507818230340594
>>> > 8.html>
>>> >
>>>
>>> Joe, is there some way that you can find, not to wrap those URLs.
>
>> angle brackets <> fore and aft.
>
> but probably not many others. That style link is broken
> in slrn, XPN, Icedove (Debian's mod of Thunderbird), even
> Google Groups.
>
> The only reader it works in for me is Pan.
>
Actually, to my surprise, it does work in slrn. Try viewing his
original article and press "U". I did not know until today.
i
Joseph Gwinn
Steve Ackman <st...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> wrote:
> In <slrnho6ulv...@sorceror.wizard.dyndns.org>, on Mon, 22 Feb 2010
> 23:49:50 -0700, Steve Ackman, st...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com wrote:
> > http://wizard.dyndns.org/screenshots/slrn.url.png
> > http://wizard.dyndns.org/screenshots/links.url.png
>
> The other ones where the wrapped link doesn't work:
> http://wizard.dyndns.org/screenshots/XPN.netsurf.url.png
> http://wizard.dyndns.org/screenshots/icedove.netsurf.url.png
>
> Note: Netsurf shows a "Not Found" in the lower left
> hand corner rather than the more traditional 404 Error.
>
> And of course,
> > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.crafts.metalworking/browse_frm/thread/654
> > d9a205e95bb7e#
The angle-bracket URL delimiters originated in email systems, but do not
seem to have achieved full penetration in newsreaders. Don't know why,
as the necessary code is freely available.
I don't know of a better built-in approach than the angle brackets, and
certainly for open-source newsreaders an improvement suggestion to the
developer community may be the long-term fix.
Joe Gwinn
Larry Jaques
<joeg...@comcast.net> scrawled the following:
It has worked for me in other links in Agent 5, but never seemed to
for your particular links, Joe. Maybe some silly libtard progged it
and it is responding to the conservative content of the WSJ. ;)
(Wouldn't THAT be a hot seller on the liberal front!?)
--
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it
exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong
remedy." -- Ernest Benn
Michael A. Terrell
Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:01:59 -0600, the infamous Ignoramus22838
> <ignoram...@NOSPAM.22838.invalid> scrawled the following:
>
> >On 2010-02-22, Joseph Gwinn <joeg...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Title says it all. This is a thunderer of an opinion piece.
> >>
> >><http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870475790457507818230340594
> >> 8.html>
> >>
> >
> >Joe, is there some way that you can find, not to wrap those URLs.
>
> Yeah, I wish for that, too.
>
> Normally, the GT/LT symbols on either end fix that, but it never seems
> to work for Joe's posts. I always highlight the last part (8.html in
> this case), Ctrl-C, and then click on the top portion. WSJ comes up
> broken so I go to the end of the URL shown, unselect it, and paste in
> that last bit. Hit enter and it comes right up.
User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.2 (PPC Mac OS X) may be the problem. I
have no problems posting long URLs with the old Netscape 4.78 software.
<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704757904575078182303405948.html>
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Joseph Gwinn
Steve Ackman <st...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> wrote:
> In <joegwinn-3E1D24...@news.giganews.com>, on Tue, 23 Feb 2010
> 07:54:39 -0500, Joseph Gwinn, joeg...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > The angle-bracket URL delimiters originated in email systems, but do not
> > seem to have achieved full penetration in newsreaders. Don't know why,
> > as the necessary code is freely available.
>
> Angle-brackets weren't recommended as URL delimiters
> in newsreaders until 2005 in RFC3986.
>
> > I don't know of a better built-in approach than the angle brackets, and
> > certainly for open-source newsreaders an improvement suggestion to the
> > developer community may be the long-term fix.
>
> I don't know why Iggy's slrn (an older version than
> mine) managed to read between the angles while mine
> didn't, but I've posed the question on
> news.software.readers where a number of newsreader
> authors have been known to check in.
It will be interesting what they say.
Joe Gwinn
Ignoramus5280
>>> I don't know why Iggy's slrn (an older version than
>>> mine) managed to read between the angles while mine
>>> didn't, but I've posed the question on
>>> news.software.readers where a number of newsreader
>>> authors have been known to check in.
>>
>> It will be interesting what they say.
>
>
> I wonder if you'd pop over to nsr and post the
> results of
>
> $ slrn --version
>
> to the thread,
> [slrn] enable URL angle bracket support?
>
> Also make sure I've described the situation accurately
> as it pertains to your results with angle brackets
> around a multi-line URL? Thanks.
>
I want to make two points.
1. Even though my slrn supports angle brackets in Joe Gwinn's style,
it is useless to me, as I read news through ssh most of the time -- so
the browser does not start on the machine where I have the X session.
That's why having a URL that I can click from a Terminal app, would be
better for me.
2. Here's my slrn version. This is stock slrn from Ubuntu Karmic.
slrn --version
slrn pre1.0.0-11
* Note: This version is a developer preview.
S-Lang Library Version: 2.1.4
Compiled at: Jun 15 2009 14:44:11
Operating System: Linux
COMPILE TIME OPTIONS:
Backends: +nntp +slrnpull +spool
External programs / libs: +canlock +inews +ssl +uudeview +iconv
Features: +decoding +emphasized_text +end_of_thread +fake_refs
+gen_msgid
-grouplens -msgid_cache +piping +rnlock +spoilers -strict_from
Using 64 bit integers for article numbers.
DEFAULTS:
Default server object: nntp
Default posting mechanism: nntp
Steve Ackman
> I want to make two points.
>
> 1. Even though my slrn supports angle brackets in Joe Gwinn's style,
> it is useless to me, as I read news through ssh most of the time -- so
> the browser does not start on the machine where I have the X session.
> That's why having a URL that I can click from a Terminal app, would be
> better for me.
If you're in a non-X environment, you can put
something like this line in .slrnrc:
set non_Xbrowser "links2 '%s'"
Now, when you click a link, slrn will be replaced
by links2 with the desired page displaying.
If you're in an X environment, using ssh to get to
your remote slrn, you can 'ssh -Y' to that machine,
and have in your .slrnrc something like,
set Xbrowser "links2 -g -mode 850x650 '%s' &"
That should open the link in that browser on your
current display. Of course, you have to have remote
X configured to allow that in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
I did exactly that for years until I changed
hardware and I had to start over with a new xorg.conf.
One of these days, I'll have to dig into the man
pages and see how to get it back.
There is one more possibility that most people don't
consider; the graphical terminal browser. Still using
the non_Xbrowser setting, call something like arachne.
AFAIK, the Linux version is frozen in time around '01
or '02. No JavaScript or https. I used to launch it
from Pine that way til '06.
Point is... no matter that you're running slrn
over ssh. It's no problem to click on a link and
have it display one way or other.
> 2. Here's my slrn version. This is stock slrn from Ubuntu Karmic.
> slrn pre1.0.0-11
> S-Lang Library Version: 2.1.4
< slrn pre1.0.0-16
< S-Lang Library Version: 2.2.2
< * Note: This program was compiled against version 2.2.1.
Those are the only differences I see. Maybe someone
(JED?) can explain why one works and the other doesn't.
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