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When Did Christian Values Change From ‘Love Thy Neighbor’ to ‘Fuck Off and Die’?
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jon_banquer
Nov 10, 2013, 10:17:05 AM11/10/13
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mog...@hotmail.com
Nov 10, 2013, 3:06:14 PM11/10/13
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On Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17:05 AM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
> http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-when-did-christian-values-change-from-%E2%80%98love-thy-neighbor%E2%80%99-to-%E2%80%98fck-off-and-die%E2%80%99/
Maybe it always has been fck off and die. Some republican candidates are even trying to legalize machine guns. Can you believe that?
For values oriented rightwing voters, its not just "fck off and die", its also "scare the hell out of the voter"
(face it, women make up the majority in many areas where elections are held. That means the leftist candidate who talks the most about childcare education and health care and safety is going to get the most votes)
> http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-when-did-christian-values-change-from-%E2%80%98love-thy-neighbor%E2%80%99-to-%E2%80%98fck-off-and-die%E2%80%99/
Maybe it always has been fck off and die. Some republican candidates are even trying to legalize machine guns. Can you believe that?
For values oriented rightwing voters, its not just "fck off and die", its also "scare the hell out of the voter"
(face it, women make up the majority in many areas where elections are held. That means the leftist candidate who talks the most about childcare education and health care and safety is going to get the most votes)
David R. Birch
Nov 10, 2013, 3:20:08 PM11/10/13
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On 11/10/2013 2:06 PM, mog...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17:05 AM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
>> http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-when-did-christian-values-change-from-%E2%80%98love-thy-neighbor%E2%80%99-to-%E2%80%98fck-off-and-die%E2%80%99/
>
>>
> Maybe it always has been fck off and die. Some republican candidates
> are even trying to legalize machine guns. Can you believe that?
Earth to mogulah:
> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17:05 AM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
>> http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-when-did-christian-values-change-from-%E2%80%98love-thy-neighbor%E2%80%99-to-%E2%80%98fck-off-and-die%E2%80%99/
>
>>
> Maybe it always has been fck off and die. Some republican candidates
> are even trying to legalize machine guns. Can you believe that?
It is never been illegal at the Federal level to own machine guns. Some
states have such restrictions, but as far as the Feds are concerned, you
get the right paperwork done and pay a nominal fee and you can buy what
you want.
>
> For values oriented rightwing voters, its not just "fck off and die",
> its also "scare the hell out of the voter"
I guess the voters around you are more easily scared.
> For values oriented rightwing voters, its not just "fck off and die",
> its also "scare the hell out of the voter"
>
> (face it, women make up the majority in many areas where elections
> are held. That means the leftist candidate who talks the most about
> childcare education and health care and safety is going to get the
> most votes)
Of course, he'd be lying to get elected, but that's what politicians do.
> (face it, women make up the majority in many areas where elections
> are held. That means the leftist candidate who talks the most about
> childcare education and health care and safety is going to get the
> most votes)
David
Gunner Asch
Nov 10, 2013, 4:13:56 PM11/10/13
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 12:06:14 -0800 (PST), mog...@hotmail.com wrote:
>On Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17:05 AM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
> > http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-when-did-christian-values-change-from-%E2%80%98love-thy-neighbor%E2%80%99-to-%E2%80%98fck-off-and-die%E2%80%99/
>
>Maybe it always has been fck off and die. Some republican candidates are even trying to legalize machine guns. Can you believe that?
Machine guns are legal in about 40 states already. All you need to do
>On Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17:05 AM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
> > http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-when-did-christian-values-change-from-%E2%80%98love-thy-neighbor%E2%80%99-to-%E2%80%98fck-off-and-die%E2%80%99/
>
>Maybe it always has been fck off and die. Some republican candidates are even trying to legalize machine guns. Can you believe that?
is pay a $200 tax when buying one.
Whats so wierd about that?
Gunner
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Tom Gardner
Nov 10, 2013, 4:55:14 PM11/10/13
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On 11/10/2013 4:13 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 12:06:14 -0800 (PST), mog...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17:05 AM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
>> > http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-when-did-christian-values-change-from-%E2%80%98love-thy-neighbor%E2%80%99-to-%E2%80%98fck-off-and-die%E2%80%99/
>>
>> Maybe it always has been fck off and die. Some republican candidates eftistsare even trying to legalize machine guns. Can you believe that?
> On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 12:06:14 -0800 (PST), mog...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17:05 AM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
>> > http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-when-did-christian-values-change-from-%E2%80%98love-thy-neighbor%E2%80%99-to-%E2%80%98fck-off-and-die%E2%80%99/
>>
>
> Machine guns are legal in about 40 states already. All you need to do
> is pay a $200 tax when buying one.
>
> Whats so wierd about that?
>
> Gunner
>
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Leftists feel the need to do what they want unopposed. Thus an unarmed
> Machine guns are legal in about 40 states already. All you need to do
> is pay a $200 tax when buying one.
>
> Whats so wierd about that?
>
> Gunner
>
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public is mandatory.
RogerN
Nov 10, 2013, 6:48:02 PM11/10/13
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>On Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17:05 AM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
> >
> http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-when-did-christian-values-change-from-%E2%80%98love-thy-neighbor%E2%80%99-to-%E2%80%98fck-off-and-die%E2%80%99/
>
>Maybe it always has been fck off and die. Some republican candidates are
>even trying to legalize machine guns. Can you believe that?
In October I went to a machine gun shoot at Knob Creek in Kentucky. They
have these shoots twice a year, 2nd week in October and 2nd week in April.
There are all kinds of machine guns including 50 caliber Browning and even a
mini-gun. They shoot tracers, incendiary and blow up exploding targets, ear
plugs are highly recommended. There are videos of this event on youtube,
the night time shoot is the best, they blow up drums of fuel and the tracers
have better visibility.
On those weekends they said the fire around 1,240,000 rounds of ammunition
and have 14,000 visitors. Now these are the real deal, not a machine gun
design modified for semi-auto and called an "Assault Rifle" by politicians.
All that shooting, actual machine guns, all those people, no one got shot,
no one got killed.
A murderer can use their choice of tool to kill people, could be guns,
knives, explosives, poison, baseball bats, hammers, or whatever. Guns don't
kill people unless they are in the hands of a killer, except in accidents.
How many people get killed a year because of using a cell phone in a car?
Yet Obama gives out ObamaPhones, he doesn't care about deaths, he encourages
abortions for all as long as it profits his beloved Planned Parenthood.
If guns kill people then all I should have to do is buy some tools and they
would fix everything around my house. Guns kill people like tools fix
things, it's not the objects, it's the one who has their hands on the
object.
RogerN
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>On Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17:05 AM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
> >
> http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-maher-when-did-christian-values-change-from-%E2%80%98love-thy-neighbor%E2%80%99-to-%E2%80%98fck-off-and-die%E2%80%99/
>
>Maybe it always has been fck off and die. Some republican candidates are
>even trying to legalize machine guns. Can you believe that?
have these shoots twice a year, 2nd week in October and 2nd week in April.
There are all kinds of machine guns including 50 caliber Browning and even a
mini-gun. They shoot tracers, incendiary and blow up exploding targets, ear
plugs are highly recommended. There are videos of this event on youtube,
the night time shoot is the best, they blow up drums of fuel and the tracers
have better visibility.
On those weekends they said the fire around 1,240,000 rounds of ammunition
and have 14,000 visitors. Now these are the real deal, not a machine gun
design modified for semi-auto and called an "Assault Rifle" by politicians.
All that shooting, actual machine guns, all those people, no one got shot,
no one got killed.
A murderer can use their choice of tool to kill people, could be guns,
knives, explosives, poison, baseball bats, hammers, or whatever. Guns don't
kill people unless they are in the hands of a killer, except in accidents.
How many people get killed a year because of using a cell phone in a car?
Yet Obama gives out ObamaPhones, he doesn't care about deaths, he encourages
abortions for all as long as it profits his beloved Planned Parenthood.
If guns kill people then all I should have to do is buy some tools and they
would fix everything around my house. Guns kill people like tools fix
things, it's not the objects, it's the one who has their hands on the
object.
RogerN
eric h
Nov 10, 2013, 6:48:53 PM11/10/13
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I'd be less concerned about an armed public if you could exclude the crazies.
John B.
Nov 11, 2013, 1:09:12 AM11/11/13
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 17:48:02 -0600, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net>
wrote:
The prevailing argument seems to be that guns allow one to kill
someone with out much effort. With a baseball bat you has to run the
guy down and belabor him over the head and get blood splashed on your
coat. Takes some effort.
With a gun it is just a twitch of the finger and Blam, the guy is
gone. (At least that is the way it is on the TV).
But in Modern America I can't see how that is such a bad thing, after
all y'all can't seem to wash dishes or even get out of the chair to
change channels on the TV. Why should making it easy for murders be
such a big deal?
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someone with out much effort. With a baseball bat you has to run the
guy down and belabor him over the head and get blood splashed on your
coat. Takes some effort.
With a gun it is just a twitch of the finger and Blam, the guy is
gone. (At least that is the way it is on the TV).
But in Modern America I can't see how that is such a bad thing, after
all y'all can't seem to wash dishes or even get out of the chair to
change channels on the TV. Why should making it easy for murders be
such a big deal?
--
Cheers,
John B.
John B.
Nov 11, 2013, 1:10:54 AM11/11/13
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US Federal laws?
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Cheers,
John B.
John B.
Nov 11, 2013, 1:13:01 AM11/11/13
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 15:48:53 -0800 (PST), eric h
<ericch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I'd be less concerned about an armed public if you could exclude the crazies.
Why is that? After all you post on Usenet.
<ericch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I'd be less concerned about an armed public if you could exclude the crazies.
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Cheers,
John B.
Tom Gardner
Nov 11, 2013, 1:25:08 AM11/11/13
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On 11/10/2013 6:48 PM, eric h wrote:
> I'd be less concerned about an armed public if you could exclude the crazies.
>
Me too.
> I'd be less concerned about an armed public if you could exclude the crazies.
>
Stormin Mormon
Nov 11, 2013, 6:47:28 AM11/11/13
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On 11/10/2013 6:48 PM, RogerN wrote:
>
> In October I went to a machine gun shoot at Knob Creek in Kentucky. They
> have these shoots twice a year, 2nd week in October and 2nd week in April.
> There are all kinds of machine guns including 50 caliber Browning and even a
> mini-gun. They shoot tracers, incendiary and blow up exploding targets, ear
> plugs are highly recommended. There are videos of this event on youtube,
> the night time shoot is the best, they blow up drums of fuel and the tracers
> have better visibility.
>
> On those weekends they said the fire around 1,240,000 rounds of ammunition
> and have 14,000 visitors. Now these are the real deal, not a machine gun
> design modified for semi-auto and called an "Assault Rifle" by politicians.
> All that shooting, actual machine guns, all those people, no one got shot,
> no one got killed.
>
> A murderer can use their choice of tool to kill people, could be guns,
> knives, explosives, poison, baseball bats, hammers, or whatever. Guns don't
> kill people unless they are in the hands of a killer, except in accidents.
> How many people get killed a year because of using a cell phone in a car?
> Yet Obama gives out ObamaPhones, he doesn't care about deaths, he encourages
> abortions for all as long as it profits his beloved Planned Parenthood.
>
> If guns kill people then all I should have to do is buy some tools and they
> would fix everything around my house. Guns kill people like tools fix
> things, it's not the objects, it's the one who has their hands on the
> object.
>
> RogerN
Wonder why we're sending guns to Mexican gangs
>
> In October I went to a machine gun shoot at Knob Creek in Kentucky. They
> have these shoots twice a year, 2nd week in October and 2nd week in April.
> There are all kinds of machine guns including 50 caliber Browning and even a
> mini-gun. They shoot tracers, incendiary and blow up exploding targets, ear
> plugs are highly recommended. There are videos of this event on youtube,
> the night time shoot is the best, they blow up drums of fuel and the tracers
> have better visibility.
>
> On those weekends they said the fire around 1,240,000 rounds of ammunition
> and have 14,000 visitors. Now these are the real deal, not a machine gun
> design modified for semi-auto and called an "Assault Rifle" by politicians.
> All that shooting, actual machine guns, all those people, no one got shot,
> no one got killed.
>
> A murderer can use their choice of tool to kill people, could be guns,
> knives, explosives, poison, baseball bats, hammers, or whatever. Guns don't
> kill people unless they are in the hands of a killer, except in accidents.
> How many people get killed a year because of using a cell phone in a car?
> Yet Obama gives out ObamaPhones, he doesn't care about deaths, he encourages
> abortions for all as long as it profits his beloved Planned Parenthood.
>
> If guns kill people then all I should have to do is buy some tools and they
> would fix everything around my house. Guns kill people like tools fix
> things, it's not the objects, it's the one who has their hands on the
> object.
>
> RogerN
in Operation Fast and Furious, while passing more
laws to disarm the good law abiding citizens in
the USA?
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www.lds.org
.
Stormin Mormon
Nov 11, 2013, 6:51:45 AM11/11/13
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Lot is based on which church you observe.
A few still practice kindness.
A few still practice kindness.
Richard
Nov 11, 2013, 1:36:16 PM11/11/13
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On 11/11/2013 5:51 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> Lot is based on which church you observe.
> A few still practice kindness.
>
It's not the church. Stormer.
> Lot is based on which church you observe.
> A few still practice kindness.
>
It's the person.
Gunner Asch
Nov 11, 2013, 1:46:21 PM11/11/13
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On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 06:51:45 -0500, Stormin Mormon
<cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Lot is based on which church you observe.
>A few still practice kindness.
Ill have to ask you a question about "Kindness"
<cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Lot is based on which church you observe.
>A few still practice kindness.
A drunk comes into your church in rough shape.
He hasnt eaten in 2 days and has been out of booze for a day and has
the DTs
If your church is kind....do you feed him or buy him another bottle?
Stormin Mormon
Nov 11, 2013, 2:48:10 PM11/11/13
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But, I guess that it's a bit of a feedback
loop. Some churches teach kindness, which
results in more kindness. And they attract
kind people as new members. So, it spirals
in a good direction.
What I'm not sure, but I'd guess that some
churches are the reverse of that. I avoid
such.
Stormin Mormon
Nov 11, 2013, 2:50:05 PM11/11/13
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On 11/11/2013 1:46 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 06:51:45 -0500, Stormin Mormon
> <cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Lot is based on which church you observe.
>> A few still practice kindness.
>
> Ill have to ask you a question about "Kindness"
>
> A drunk comes into your church in rough shape.
>
> He hasnt eaten in 2 days and has been out of booze for a day and has
> the DTs
>
> If your church is kind....do you feed him or buy him another bottle?
>
> Gunner
>
At my church, we don't have any alcohol. And members
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 06:51:45 -0500, Stormin Mormon
> <cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Lot is based on which church you observe.
>> A few still practice kindness.
>
> Ill have to ask you a question about "Kindness"
>
> A drunk comes into your church in rough shape.
>
> He hasnt eaten in 2 days and has been out of booze for a day and has
> the DTs
>
> If your church is kind....do you feed him or buy him another bottle?
>
> Gunner
>
are taught not to drink. (yes, a few do.) So, we don't
have a lot of choice, there.
Gunner Asch
Nov 11, 2013, 4:01:26 PM11/11/13
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On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:50:05 -0500, Stormin Mormon
possibly die.
And thats the "kindness" you brag your church offers?
Interesting
<cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 11/11/2013 1:46 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 06:51:45 -0500, Stormin Mormon
>> <cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Lot is based on which church you observe.
>>> A few still practice kindness.
>>
>> Ill have to ask you a question about "Kindness"
>>
>> A drunk comes into your church in rough shape.
>>
>> He hasnt eaten in 2 days and has been out of booze for a day and has
>> the DTs
>>
>> If your church is kind....do you feed him or buy him another bottle?
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>
>At my church, we don't have any alcohol. And members
>are taught not to drink. (yes, a few do.) So, we don't
>have a lot of choice, there.
So you intentionally chose to not alleviate his sickness and make him
>On 11/11/2013 1:46 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 06:51:45 -0500, Stormin Mormon
>> <cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Lot is based on which church you observe.
>>> A few still practice kindness.
>>
>> Ill have to ask you a question about "Kindness"
>>
>> A drunk comes into your church in rough shape.
>>
>> He hasnt eaten in 2 days and has been out of booze for a day and has
>> the DTs
>>
>> If your church is kind....do you feed him or buy him another bottle?
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>
>At my church, we don't have any alcohol. And members
>are taught not to drink. (yes, a few do.) So, we don't
>have a lot of choice, there.
possibly die.
And thats the "kindness" you brag your church offers?
Interesting
Gunner Asch
Nov 11, 2013, 4:02:59 PM11/11/13
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any right off hand. Perhaps some of the more cultish born
againers..perhaps
RogerN
Nov 11, 2013, 5:48:45 PM11/11/13
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
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Like Jeremiah Wright?
news:ndh2895k2bp4pvup2...@4ax.com...
Richard
Nov 11, 2013, 6:31:10 PM11/11/13
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MY responsibility, as I understand it, is to offer my life as an
example. Not to tell you how to run yours.
Stormin Mormon
Nov 11, 2013, 6:33:33 PM11/11/13
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On 11/11/2013 4:01 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:50:05 -0500, Stormin Mormon
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:50:05 -0500, Stormin Mormon
>> At my church, we don't have any alcohol. And members
>> are taught not to drink. (yes, a few do.) So, we don't
>> have a lot of choice, there.
>
> So you intentionally chose to not alleviate his sickness and make him
> possibly die.
>
> And thats the "kindness" you brag your church offers?
>
> Interesting
>
> Gunner
And there's always the "call an ambulance" answer.
>> are taught not to drink. (yes, a few do.) So, we don't
>> have a lot of choice, there.
>
> So you intentionally chose to not alleviate his sickness and make him
> possibly die.
>
> And thats the "kindness" you brag your church offers?
>
> Interesting
>
> Gunner
After a bit to eat, of course.
Stormin Mormon
Nov 11, 2013, 6:35:04 PM11/11/13
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On 11/11/2013 4:02 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:48:10 -0500, Stormin Mormon
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:48:10 -0500, Stormin Mormon
>> What I'm not sure, but I'd guess that some
>> churches are the reverse of that. I avoid
>> such.
>
> Very very few churches do as you "guess". In fact..I cant think of
> any right off hand. Perhaps some of the more cultish born
> againers..perhaps
>
Anecdote has it, that some churches teach OSAS.
>> churches are the reverse of that. I avoid
>> such.
>
> Very very few churches do as you "guess". In fact..I cant think of
> any right off hand. Perhaps some of the more cultish born
> againers..perhaps
>
Pretty much a blank check to do all kind of
evil, knowing it won't be held against you.
Gunner Asch
Nov 11, 2013, 7:24:02 PM11/11/13
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On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:31:10 -0600, Richard <cave...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Bingo! Which is why I converted to Buddhism 4 decades ago.
No monks banging on your door on Saturday morning trying to read you
from the Dhammapada
wrote:
No monks banging on your door on Saturday morning trying to read you
from the Dhammapada
Gunner Asch
Nov 11, 2013, 7:24:33 PM11/11/13
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Gunner Asch
Nov 11, 2013, 7:25:11 PM11/11/13
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On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:35:04 -0500, Stormin Mormon
<cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 11/11/2013 4:02 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:48:10 -0500, Stormin Mormon
>
>>> What I'm not sure, but I'd guess that some
>>> churches are the reverse of that. I avoid
>>> such.
>>
>> Very very few churches do as you "guess". In fact..I cant think of
>> any right off hand. Perhaps some of the more cultish born
>> againers..perhaps
>>
>
>Anecdote has it, that some churches teach OSAS.
>Pretty much a blank check to do all kind of
>evil, knowing it won't be held against you.
Ive heard that rumor. Ive also heard it was the DNC.
<cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 11/11/2013 4:02 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:48:10 -0500, Stormin Mormon
>
>>> What I'm not sure, but I'd guess that some
>>> churches are the reverse of that. I avoid
>>> such.
>>
>> Very very few churches do as you "guess". In fact..I cant think of
>> any right off hand. Perhaps some of the more cultish born
>> againers..perhaps
>>
>
>Anecdote has it, that some churches teach OSAS.
>Pretty much a blank check to do all kind of
>evil, knowing it won't be held against you.
Larry Jaques
Nov 11, 2013, 8:36:23 PM11/11/13
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On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:46:21 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 06:51:45 -0500, Stormin Mormon
><cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Lot is based on which church you observe.
>>A few still practice kindness.
>
>Ill have to ask you a question about "Kindness"
>
>A drunk comes into your church in rough shape.
>
>He hasnt eaten in 2 days and has been out of booze for a day and has
>the DTs
>
>If your church is kind....do you feed him or buy him another bottle?
Trick question. The answer is "C: Both of the above." (1/2 pt ;)
Later, after he's had some sleep and another meal, they can -ask- him
if he wants help. If he does, everyone wins.
--
Another belief of mine: that everyone else my age is an adult,
whereas I am merely in disguise.
-- Margaret Atwood
wrote:
>On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 06:51:45 -0500, Stormin Mormon
><cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Lot is based on which church you observe.
>>A few still practice kindness.
>
>Ill have to ask you a question about "Kindness"
>
>A drunk comes into your church in rough shape.
>
>He hasnt eaten in 2 days and has been out of booze for a day and has
>the DTs
>
>If your church is kind....do you feed him or buy him another bottle?
Later, after he's had some sleep and another meal, they can -ask- him
if he wants help. If he does, everyone wins.
--
Another belief of mine: that everyone else my age is an adult,
whereas I am merely in disguise.
-- Margaret Atwood
Gunner Asch
Nov 12, 2013, 3:31:59 AM11/12/13
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On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:36:23 -0800, Larry Jaques
<lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:46:21 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 06:51:45 -0500, Stormin Mormon
>><cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Lot is based on which church you observe.
>>>A few still practice kindness.
>>
>>Ill have to ask you a question about "Kindness"
>>
>>A drunk comes into your church in rough shape.
>>
>>He hasnt eaten in 2 days and has been out of booze for a day and has
>>the DTs
>>
>>If your church is kind....do you feed him or buy him another bottle?
>
>Trick question. The answer is "C: Both of the above." (1/2 pt ;)
>Later, after he's had some sleep and another meal, they can -ask- him
>if he wants help. If he does, everyone wins.
Absolutely correct. However in the Mormon Church...they let the poor
<lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:46:21 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 06:51:45 -0500, Stormin Mormon
>><cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Lot is based on which church you observe.
>>>A few still practice kindness.
>>
>>Ill have to ask you a question about "Kindness"
>>
>>A drunk comes into your church in rough shape.
>>
>>He hasnt eaten in 2 days and has been out of booze for a day and has
>>the DTs
>>
>>If your church is kind....do you feed him or buy him another bottle?
>
>Trick question. The answer is "C: Both of the above." (1/2 pt ;)
>Later, after he's had some sleep and another meal, they can -ask- him
>if he wants help. If he does, everyone wins.
bastard die, choking on his free meal.
John B.
Nov 12, 2013, 6:37:06 AM11/12/13
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On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:24:02 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
Not exactly, at least in Japan. Look into the Soka Gakkai, back in the
late '50's they were coming to your house to brow beat you into
becoming a member. Very aggressive.
--
Cheers,
John B.
late '50's they were coming to your house to brow beat you into
becoming a member. Very aggressive.
--
Cheers,
John B.
Stormin Mormon
Nov 12, 2013, 7:34:51 AM11/12/13
to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-bWz74h518
Skip about three minutes into the video, miss
the ranting atheist guy in the beginning.
Larry Jaques
Nov 12, 2013, 7:39:11 AM11/12/13
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On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 00:31:59 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
And how about that comment of his about leading by example, while not
shoving his crap down everyone's throat, although every single post by
him has always had that Jesus line in it, despite all the flak he gets
for it? Crom, why bother?
(I plonked him half a decade ago but saw your quote yesterday.)
wrote:
>On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:36:23 -0800, Larry Jaques
><lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:46:21 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 06:51:45 -0500, Stormin Mormon
>>><cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Lot is based on which church you observe.
>>>>A few still practice kindness.
>>>
>>>Ill have to ask you a question about "Kindness"
>>>
>>>A drunk comes into your church in rough shape.
>>>
>>>He hasnt eaten in 2 days and has been out of booze for a day and has
>>>the DTs
>>>
>>>If your church is kind....do you feed him or buy him another bottle?
>>
>>Trick question. The answer is "C: Both of the above." (1/2 pt ;)
>>Later, after he's had some sleep and another meal, they can -ask- him
>>if he wants help. If he does, everyone wins.
>
>Absolutely correct. However in the Mormon Church...they let the poor
>bastard die, choking on his free meal.
Say "Halelujah!", brother!
>On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:36:23 -0800, Larry Jaques
><lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:46:21 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 06:51:45 -0500, Stormin Mormon
>>><cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Lot is based on which church you observe.
>>>>A few still practice kindness.
>>>
>>>Ill have to ask you a question about "Kindness"
>>>
>>>A drunk comes into your church in rough shape.
>>>
>>>He hasnt eaten in 2 days and has been out of booze for a day and has
>>>the DTs
>>>
>>>If your church is kind....do you feed him or buy him another bottle?
>>
>>Trick question. The answer is "C: Both of the above." (1/2 pt ;)
>>Later, after he's had some sleep and another meal, they can -ask- him
>>if he wants help. If he does, everyone wins.
>
>Absolutely correct. However in the Mormon Church...they let the poor
>bastard die, choking on his free meal.
And how about that comment of his about leading by example, while not
shoving his crap down everyone's throat, although every single post by
him has always had that Jesus line in it, despite all the flak he gets
for it? Crom, why bother?
(I plonked him half a decade ago but saw your quote yesterday.)
Gunner Asch
Nov 12, 2013, 12:42:53 PM11/12/13
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Gunner
--
Liberals want everyone to think like them.
Conservatives want everyone to think.
jon_banquer
Nov 12, 2013, 12:48:49 PM11/12/13
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On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:39:11 AM UTC-8, Larry Jackass wrote:
<snip>
Time for Larry Jackass to plonk himself. Only shit bags brag about who is in their kill files. Larry Jackass is a world class shit bag.
<snip>
Time for Larry Jackass to plonk himself. Only shit bags brag about who is in their kill files. Larry Jackass is a world class shit bag.
Richard
Nov 12, 2013, 1:25:24 PM11/12/13
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On 11/11/2013 6:24 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> Bingo! Which is why I converted to Buddhism 4 decades ago.
>
> No monks banging on your door on Saturday morning trying to read you
> from the Dhammapada
>
>
> Gunner
Good Christian values there, Guns.
> Bingo! Which is why I converted to Buddhism 4 decades ago.
>
> No monks banging on your door on Saturday morning trying to read you
> from the Dhammapada
>
>
> Gunner
678.714.5764
Nov 12, 2013, 1:25:50 PM11/12/13
to
be a "Buddhist" is only a fashion statement.
John B.
Nov 12, 2013, 10:30:01 PM11/12/13
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number.
Maybe a secret code? A secret Buddhist?
His Momma named him "678.714"? (Hey there 678, you get in here for
supper. RIGHT NOW!)
--
Cheers,
John B.
eric h
Nov 12, 2013, 10:36:39 PM11/12/13
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On Monday, November 11, 2013 1:46:21 PM UTC-5, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 06:51:45 -0500, Stormin Mormon
>
> <cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Lot is based on which church you observe.
>
> >A few still practice kindness.
>
>
>
> Ill have to ask you a question about "Kindness"
>
>
>
> A drunk comes into your church in rough shape.
>
>
>
> He hasnt eaten in 2 days and has been out of booze for a day and has
>
> the DTs
>
>
>
> If your church is kind....do you feed him or buy him another bottle?
>
>
>
> Gunner
>
>
>
You should give him both.
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 06:51:45 -0500, Stormin Mormon
>
> <cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Lot is based on which church you observe.
>
> >A few still practice kindness.
>
>
>
> Ill have to ask you a question about "Kindness"
>
>
>
> A drunk comes into your church in rough shape.
>
>
>
> He hasnt eaten in 2 days and has been out of booze for a day and has
>
> the DTs
>
>
>
> If your church is kind....do you feed him or buy him another bottle?
>
>
>
> Gunner
>
>
>
You may be your brother's keeper, but you are not your brother's jailer.
You CANNOT stop someone from drinking - only that person can stop himself.
It often requires that he sink as low as he can go and then decides that he can't keep living like this to find that inner motivation.
Until then, your best bet is to hand him another bottle.
Larry Jaques
Nov 12, 2013, 10:51:52 PM11/12/13
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On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:42:53 -0800, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:34:51 -0500, Stormin Mormon
><cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 11/11/2013 7:24 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:31:10 -0600, Richard <cave...@earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is NOT my responsibility to make HIS decisions.
>>>>
>>>> MY responsibility, as I understand it, is to offer my life as an
>>>> example. Not to tell you how to run yours.
>>>
>>> Bingo! Which is why I converted to Buddhism 4 decades ago.
>>>
>>> No monks banging on your door on Saturday morning trying to read you
>>> from the Dhammapada
>>>
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>>
>>
>>You might get a laugh out of this.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-bWz74h518
>>Skip about three minutes into the video, miss
>>the ranting atheist guy in the beginning.
>
>
>ROFLMAO!!!!
After having fun with that vid, I found this. I think I'm in love.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nv2Y06cuxo
wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:34:51 -0500, Stormin Mormon
><cayo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 11/11/2013 7:24 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:31:10 -0600, Richard <cave...@earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is NOT my responsibility to make HIS decisions.
>>>>
>>>> MY responsibility, as I understand it, is to offer my life as an
>>>> example. Not to tell you how to run yours.
>>>
>>> Bingo! Which is why I converted to Buddhism 4 decades ago.
>>>
>>> No monks banging on your door on Saturday morning trying to read you
>>> from the Dhammapada
>>>
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>>
>>
>>You might get a laugh out of this.
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-bWz74h518
>>Skip about three minutes into the video, miss
>>the ranting atheist guy in the beginning.
>
>
>ROFLMAO!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nv2Y06cuxo
Gunner Asch
Nov 13, 2013, 2:41:02 AM11/13/13
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On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:25:24 -0600, Richard <cave...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
Im not a Xtian. Why would I care about Xtian values?
Im Buddhist. Seriously.
Most Xtians are nice enough people, even though they may or may not
believe in something that may or may not be real.
Shrug
Gunner
--
Liberals want everyone to think like them.
Conservatives want everyone to think.
wrote:
Im Buddhist. Seriously.
Most Xtians are nice enough people, even though they may or may not
believe in something that may or may not be real.
Shrug
Gunner
--
Liberals want everyone to think like them.
Conservatives want everyone to think.
jon_banquer
Nov 13, 2013, 3:17:52 AM11/13/13
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On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:41:02 PM UTC-8, Gunner Asch wrote:
> Im Buddhist. Seriously.
Mark Wieber is not a Buddhist. He's an asshole who lies a lot and gets caught lying frequently. Seriously.
> Im Buddhist. Seriously.
Mark Wieber is not a Buddhist. He's an asshole who lies a lot and gets caught lying frequently. Seriously.
Richard
Nov 13, 2013, 8:31:33 AM11/13/13
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On 11/13/2013 1:41 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:25:24 -0600, Richard<cave...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/11/2013 6:24 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>>> Bingo! Which is why I converted to Buddhism 4 decades ago.
>>>
>>> No monks banging on your door on Saturday morning trying to read you
>>> from the Dhammapada
>>>
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>
>>
>> Good Christian values there, Guns.
>
> Im not a Xtian. Why would I care about Xtian values?
>
> Im Buddhist. Seriously.
>
> Shrug
> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:25:24 -0600, Richard<cave...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 11/11/2013 6:24 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>>> Bingo! Which is why I converted to Buddhism 4 decades ago.
>>>
>>> No monks banging on your door on Saturday morning trying to read you
>>> from the Dhammapada
>>>
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>
>>
>> Good Christian values there, Guns.
>
> Im not a Xtian. Why would I care about Xtian values?
>
> Im Buddhist. Seriously.
>
>
> Gunner
>
Not likely.
pyotr filipivich
Nov 13, 2013, 9:46:48 AM11/13/13
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Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Tue, 12 Nov 2013 23:41:02 -0800
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
looked good."
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:25:24 -0600, Richard <cave...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On 11/11/2013 6:24 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>>> Bingo! Which is why I converted to Buddhism 4 decades ago.
>>>
>>> No monks banging on your door on Saturday morning trying to read you
>>> from the Dhammapada
>>>
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>
>>
>>Good Christian values there, Guns.
>
>Im not a Xtian. Why would I care about Xtian values?
>
>Im Buddhist. Seriously.
>
>Most Xtians are nice enough people, even though they may or may not
>believe in something that may or may not be real.
Minds me of a friends comment about her neighbors. "On them, it
>wrote:
>
>>On 11/11/2013 6:24 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>>> Bingo! Which is why I converted to Buddhism 4 decades ago.
>>>
>>> No monks banging on your door on Saturday morning trying to read you
>>> from the Dhammapada
>>>
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>
>>
>>Good Christian values there, Guns.
>
>Im not a Xtian. Why would I care about Xtian values?
>
>Im Buddhist. Seriously.
>
>Most Xtians are nice enough people, even though they may or may not
>believe in something that may or may not be real.
looked good."
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."
Gunner Asch
Nov 13, 2013, 1:40:28 PM11/13/13
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On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:31:33 -0600, Richard <cave...@earthlink.net>
Blink blink...think again old friend.
http://www.yelp.com/biz/hue-quang-buddhist-temple-santa-ana
T�i ?� tro+? th�nh Pha^.t gi�o o+? 1972..peace khi ba.n.
wrote:
>On 11/13/2013 1:41 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:25:24 -0600, Richard<cave...@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/11/2013 6:24 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bingo! Which is why I converted to Buddhism 4 decades ago.
>>>>
>>>> No monks banging on your door on Saturday morning trying to read you
>>>> from the Dhammapada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gunner
>>>
>>>
>>> Good Christian values there, Guns.
>>
>> Im not a Xtian. Why would I care about Xtian values?
>>
>> Im Buddhist. Seriously.
>
>>
>> Shrug
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>
>
>Not likely.
>
Whats not likely? That Im Buddhist?
>On 11/13/2013 1:41 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:25:24 -0600, Richard<cave...@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/11/2013 6:24 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bingo! Which is why I converted to Buddhism 4 decades ago.
>>>>
>>>> No monks banging on your door on Saturday morning trying to read you
>>>> from the Dhammapada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gunner
>>>
>>>
>>> Good Christian values there, Guns.
>>
>> Im not a Xtian. Why would I care about Xtian values?
>>
>> Im Buddhist. Seriously.
>
>>
>> Shrug
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>
>
>Not likely.
>
Blink blink...think again old friend.
http://www.yelp.com/biz/hue-quang-buddhist-temple-santa-ana
T�i ?� tro+? th�nh Pha^.t gi�o o+? 1972..peace khi ba.n.
Gunner Asch
Nov 13, 2013, 1:40:52 PM11/13/13
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Richard
Nov 13, 2013, 8:45:49 PM11/13/13
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Like I said, not likely.
Why would I say that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism
Buddhist ethics:
The five precepts are training rules in order to live a better life in
which one is happy, without worries, and can meditate well:
To refrain from taking life (non-violence towards sentient life forms),
or ahimsā;
To refrain from taking that which is not given (not committing theft);
To refrain from sensual (including sexual) misconduct;
To refrain from lying (speaking truth always);
To refrain from intoxicants which lead to loss of mindfulness
(specifically, drugs and alcohol).
Just doesn't sound much like our gunner asch...
Why would I say that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism
Buddhist ethics:
The five precepts are training rules in order to live a better life in
which one is happy, without worries, and can meditate well:
To refrain from taking life (non-violence towards sentient life forms),
or ahimsā;
To refrain from taking that which is not given (not committing theft);
To refrain from sensual (including sexual) misconduct;
To refrain from lying (speaking truth always);
To refrain from intoxicants which lead to loss of mindfulness
(specifically, drugs and alcohol).
Just doesn't sound much like our gunner asch...
Gunner Asch
Nov 16, 2013, 2:55:56 AM11/16/13
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On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:45:49 -0600, Richard <cave...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>Like I said, not likely.
>
>Why would I say that?
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism
>
>Buddhist ethics:
>
>The five precepts are training rules in order to live a better life in
>which one is happy, without worries, and can meditate well:
>
>To refrain from taking life (non-violence towards sentient life forms),
>or ahims?;
nothing of the subject.
"The Many Different Schools of Buddhism
Sometimes the bewildering variety of Buddhist traditions can seem
incomprehensible and contradictory, especially if you're only just
beginning to find out about it. Buddhist thought and practice have
developed over its 2,500 year history, and they have also adapted to
the different cultures they have encountered. It is this combination
of history and geography that leads to the great diversity of
approaches in different Buddhist traditions.
Until about 100 years ago, Tibetan Buddhism was known in the west as
Lamaism, and thought of as entirely separate religion to the Buddhism
of south-east Asia. When Zen became well known in the 1960s and 1970s
many people did not realise it was a form of Buddhism. Even today,
many practitioners of Buddhism in the east know little or nothing
about other types of Buddhism.
4 main types of Buddhism:
Early Buddhism: The Buddha's original teachings and the oldest
surviving school.
The Mahayana: The Great Way, developments a few hundred years after
the Buddha's death.
The Vajrayana: The Diamond Way, magical perspectives of Tantric
Buddhism, the third phase of Buddhist development"
"Contemporary Buddhism: Buddhism in the modern world
The Four Kinds of Buddhism Today
In our world today, there are at least four different types of
Buddhism. The first type is the authentic Buddhism, the education of
understanding the true face of life and the universe originally
intended by Shakyamuni Buddha. Unfortunately, the authentic Buddha's
education is rare nowadays, and difficult to encounter. The remaining
types of Buddhism are more or less distortions of the original
teachings.
The second type of Buddhism is the religious Buddhism. Originally,
Buddhism was not a religion, but now it has become one. We can no
longer deny that there is a 'Buddhist religion' because everywhere we
look, Buddhism is displayed as a religion. Unlike the monasteries in
the past which held eight-hour classes per day and provided another
eight hours for self-cultivation, today's Buddhist 'temples' no longer
uphold such a perseverance of the Buddha's Teachings. Today we mainly
see people offering to the Buddha statues and praying for blessings
and fortune. In this way, Buddhism has been wrongly changed into a
religion.
The third type of Buddhism is the philosophical study of the
Buddha's teachings. Many universities today open courses on the study
of Buddhist Sutras, considering the teachings as a philosophy. The
content of the Buddha's education is actually a complete university of
knowledge and wisdom. Philosophy is only one of its courses. Just as
it is wrong to recognize an university as a single course, it is also
inappropriate to think of and limit the Buddha's education as only a
philosophy. The Buddha's education can help us resolve our problems -
from family difficulties to the great issue of life and death. The
Buddha's teachings are deep and vast, and teach us the truths of life
and the universe. It should not be mistaken as only a philosophy.
The fourth type of Buddhism we see in our world today is the deviant
and externalist Buddhism. This is an extremely unfortunate affair
which only came to be in the past 30-40 years. We must know that the
religious Buddhism persuades people to be decent, and the
philosophical Buddhism pursues truth, neither cause much harm to the
society. If Buddhism is changed into a deviant and externalist path,
using the weakness of the human nature to cheat and harm living
beings; disturbing the peace and safety of the society, then this
conversion of Buddhism has gone too far. The speech and actions of
these deviant and externalist paths can be very attractive and
enticing. One should be very careful as not to be mislead by these
deviant ways, or regretting it would be too late.
These four types of Buddhism exist in our society today, we should
recognize them as they are and think carefully as to which way is most
beneficial to us, and the one we will ultimately follow."
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/dalailama.asp
As reported by the Seattle Times, during that talk the Dalai Lama
responded to a question posed by a student about how to react to a
potential school shooter by stating that it would "be reasonable to
shoot back with your own gun," with the proviso that one should aim to
wound and not to kill:
His message resonates in an era when schools must be on guard against
violent acts by gun-toting students. Included in the audience were
some 35 students from Thurston High School in Springfield, Ore., where
Kip Kinkel went on a May 1998 rampage in which his parents and two
students were killed and 24 other students were wounded.
Students, in a question-and-answer period, asked some hard questions.
One girl wanted to know how to react to a shooter who takes aim at a
classmate.
The Dalai Lama said acts of violence should be remembered, and then
forgiveness should be extended to the perpetrators.
But if someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, he said, it would
be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun. Not at the head, where
a fatal wound might result. But at some other body part, such as a
leg.
Many Americans might find the Dalai Lama's response surprising, given
that he has expressed a dedication to nonviolence, and Buddhism is
widely viewed in western culture as a religion that embraces pacifism.
However, commentators have noted that the image of Buddhist pacifism
is an exaggerated one which has been projected onto Buddhism by
others:
Buddhist cultures, including Tibet, have not historically been
pacifist. The previous dalai lama strove to develop a modern military.
So the current one's dedication to nonviolence should not be taken as
a matter of course. He was influenced by Gandhi, a British-trained
lawyer whose pacifism was rooted in Thoreau's Civil Disobedience. His
nonviolent approach is exceptional for a Buddhist political leader and
integrates Indian and western concepts of nonviolent struggle.
The exaggerated image of pacifism projected on Buddhism (and Hinduism)
was embraced and promoted by natives, as it conveyed moral superiority
over colonialist oppressors and missionaries. Getting the message fed
back by natives reinforced the original misconceptions.
But the ultimate source is Euro-Americans themselves, weary of a
century of warfare and longing for a pacifist Shangri-La. Buddhist
cultural values were never so simplistic and practically served rajas,
khans, and daimyo for millennia. The main reason Buddhists' history
does not match our expectations, aside from them being as human as the
rest of us, is that our expectations have been mistaken. Some think
that fantasies of a pacifist utopia benefit the Tibetan cause. It can
also be argued that they encourage communists to contemptuously
dismiss western support for Tibet and obstruct Buddhists from engaging
their values.
The Buddhist world is racked with violence and it has never been more
important to understand Buddhist ethics. These include never acting in
anger; exhausting alternatives such as negotiation; striving to
capture the enemy alive; avoiding destruction of infrastructure and
the environment; and taking responsibility for how one's actions and
exploitation cause enemies to arise. They also emphasise the great
psychic danger to those who act violently, something we see in the
large number of suicides among youth sent to these wars. Above all,
rather than "national self-interest", the guiding motivation should be
compassion.
Read more at
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/dalailama.asp#XeHbfTFhDFkpHiYl.99
"Let a man never stir on his road a step
without his weapons of war;
for unsure is the knowing when need shall arise
of a spear on the way without."
The Havamal
Thats why Im Renzi (Rensi) Buddhist. We are allowed to kill if
necessary.
Similar to the Sohei monks..but less likely to require large groups of
fellow monks before drawing a weapon.
wrote:
>Like I said, not likely.
>
>Why would I say that?
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism
>
>Buddhist ethics:
>
>The five precepts are training rules in order to live a better life in
>which one is happy, without worries, and can meditate well:
>
>To refrain from taking life (non-violence towards sentient life forms),
>
>To refrain from taking that which is not given (not committing theft);
>
>To refrain from sensual (including sexual) misconduct;
>
>To refrain from lying (speaking truth always);
>
>To refrain from intoxicants which lead to loss of mindfulness
>(specifically, drugs and alcohol).
>
>
>
>Just doesn't sound much like our gunner asch...
Tsk tsk...not a very good post from you Richard. Its evident you know
>To refrain from taking that which is not given (not committing theft);
>
>To refrain from sensual (including sexual) misconduct;
>
>To refrain from lying (speaking truth always);
>
>To refrain from intoxicants which lead to loss of mindfulness
>(specifically, drugs and alcohol).
>
>
>
>Just doesn't sound much like our gunner asch...
nothing of the subject.
"The Many Different Schools of Buddhism
Sometimes the bewildering variety of Buddhist traditions can seem
incomprehensible and contradictory, especially if you're only just
beginning to find out about it. Buddhist thought and practice have
developed over its 2,500 year history, and they have also adapted to
the different cultures they have encountered. It is this combination
of history and geography that leads to the great diversity of
approaches in different Buddhist traditions.
Until about 100 years ago, Tibetan Buddhism was known in the west as
Lamaism, and thought of as entirely separate religion to the Buddhism
of south-east Asia. When Zen became well known in the 1960s and 1970s
many people did not realise it was a form of Buddhism. Even today,
many practitioners of Buddhism in the east know little or nothing
about other types of Buddhism.
4 main types of Buddhism:
Early Buddhism: The Buddha's original teachings and the oldest
surviving school.
The Mahayana: The Great Way, developments a few hundred years after
the Buddha's death.
The Vajrayana: The Diamond Way, magical perspectives of Tantric
Buddhism, the third phase of Buddhist development"
"Contemporary Buddhism: Buddhism in the modern world
The Four Kinds of Buddhism Today
In our world today, there are at least four different types of
Buddhism. The first type is the authentic Buddhism, the education of
understanding the true face of life and the universe originally
intended by Shakyamuni Buddha. Unfortunately, the authentic Buddha's
education is rare nowadays, and difficult to encounter. The remaining
types of Buddhism are more or less distortions of the original
teachings.
The second type of Buddhism is the religious Buddhism. Originally,
Buddhism was not a religion, but now it has become one. We can no
longer deny that there is a 'Buddhist religion' because everywhere we
look, Buddhism is displayed as a religion. Unlike the monasteries in
the past which held eight-hour classes per day and provided another
eight hours for self-cultivation, today's Buddhist 'temples' no longer
uphold such a perseverance of the Buddha's Teachings. Today we mainly
see people offering to the Buddha statues and praying for blessings
and fortune. In this way, Buddhism has been wrongly changed into a
religion.
The third type of Buddhism is the philosophical study of the
Buddha's teachings. Many universities today open courses on the study
of Buddhist Sutras, considering the teachings as a philosophy. The
content of the Buddha's education is actually a complete university of
knowledge and wisdom. Philosophy is only one of its courses. Just as
it is wrong to recognize an university as a single course, it is also
inappropriate to think of and limit the Buddha's education as only a
philosophy. The Buddha's education can help us resolve our problems -
from family difficulties to the great issue of life and death. The
Buddha's teachings are deep and vast, and teach us the truths of life
and the universe. It should not be mistaken as only a philosophy.
The fourth type of Buddhism we see in our world today is the deviant
and externalist Buddhism. This is an extremely unfortunate affair
which only came to be in the past 30-40 years. We must know that the
religious Buddhism persuades people to be decent, and the
philosophical Buddhism pursues truth, neither cause much harm to the
society. If Buddhism is changed into a deviant and externalist path,
using the weakness of the human nature to cheat and harm living
beings; disturbing the peace and safety of the society, then this
conversion of Buddhism has gone too far. The speech and actions of
these deviant and externalist paths can be very attractive and
enticing. One should be very careful as not to be mislead by these
deviant ways, or regretting it would be too late.
These four types of Buddhism exist in our society today, we should
recognize them as they are and think carefully as to which way is most
beneficial to us, and the one we will ultimately follow."
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/dalailama.asp
As reported by the Seattle Times, during that talk the Dalai Lama
responded to a question posed by a student about how to react to a
potential school shooter by stating that it would "be reasonable to
shoot back with your own gun," with the proviso that one should aim to
wound and not to kill:
His message resonates in an era when schools must be on guard against
violent acts by gun-toting students. Included in the audience were
some 35 students from Thurston High School in Springfield, Ore., where
Kip Kinkel went on a May 1998 rampage in which his parents and two
students were killed and 24 other students were wounded.
Students, in a question-and-answer period, asked some hard questions.
One girl wanted to know how to react to a shooter who takes aim at a
classmate.
The Dalai Lama said acts of violence should be remembered, and then
forgiveness should be extended to the perpetrators.
But if someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, he said, it would
be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun. Not at the head, where
a fatal wound might result. But at some other body part, such as a
leg.
Many Americans might find the Dalai Lama's response surprising, given
that he has expressed a dedication to nonviolence, and Buddhism is
widely viewed in western culture as a religion that embraces pacifism.
However, commentators have noted that the image of Buddhist pacifism
is an exaggerated one which has been projected onto Buddhism by
others:
Buddhist cultures, including Tibet, have not historically been
pacifist. The previous dalai lama strove to develop a modern military.
So the current one's dedication to nonviolence should not be taken as
a matter of course. He was influenced by Gandhi, a British-trained
lawyer whose pacifism was rooted in Thoreau's Civil Disobedience. His
nonviolent approach is exceptional for a Buddhist political leader and
integrates Indian and western concepts of nonviolent struggle.
The exaggerated image of pacifism projected on Buddhism (and Hinduism)
was embraced and promoted by natives, as it conveyed moral superiority
over colonialist oppressors and missionaries. Getting the message fed
back by natives reinforced the original misconceptions.
But the ultimate source is Euro-Americans themselves, weary of a
century of warfare and longing for a pacifist Shangri-La. Buddhist
cultural values were never so simplistic and practically served rajas,
khans, and daimyo for millennia. The main reason Buddhists' history
does not match our expectations, aside from them being as human as the
rest of us, is that our expectations have been mistaken. Some think
that fantasies of a pacifist utopia benefit the Tibetan cause. It can
also be argued that they encourage communists to contemptuously
dismiss western support for Tibet and obstruct Buddhists from engaging
their values.
The Buddhist world is racked with violence and it has never been more
important to understand Buddhist ethics. These include never acting in
anger; exhausting alternatives such as negotiation; striving to
capture the enemy alive; avoiding destruction of infrastructure and
the environment; and taking responsibility for how one's actions and
exploitation cause enemies to arise. They also emphasise the great
psychic danger to those who act violently, something we see in the
large number of suicides among youth sent to these wars. Above all,
rather than "national self-interest", the guiding motivation should be
compassion.
Read more at
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/dalailama.asp#XeHbfTFhDFkpHiYl.99
"Let a man never stir on his road a step
without his weapons of war;
for unsure is the knowing when need shall arise
of a spear on the way without."
The Havamal
Thats why Im Renzi (Rensi) Buddhist. We are allowed to kill if
necessary.
Similar to the Sohei monks..but less likely to require large groups of
fellow monks before drawing a weapon.
David R. Birch
Nov 16, 2013, 8:02:17 AM11/16/13
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On 11/11/2013 12:09 AM, John B. wrote:
> The prevailing argument seems to be that guns allow one to kill
> someone with out much effort. With a baseball bat you has to run the
> guy down and belabor him over the head and get blood splashed on your
> coat. Takes some effort.
The ease of use also makes it easier for a small person to defend
themselves from a larger one. Or several larger ones. That is the
primary purpose of a gun.
>
> With a gun it is just a twitch of the finger and Blam, the guy is
> gone. (At least that is the way it is on the TV).
Not much useful about guns to be learned from TV.
> But in Modern America I can't see how that is such a bad thing, after
> all y'all can't seem to wash dishes or even get out of the chair to
> change channels on the TV. Why should making it easy for murders be
> such a big deal?
Since most use of guns is NOT for murder, it isn't a big deal.
David
> The prevailing argument seems to be that guns allow one to kill
> someone with out much effort. With a baseball bat you has to run the
> guy down and belabor him over the head and get blood splashed on your
> coat. Takes some effort.
The ease of use also makes it easier for a small person to defend
themselves from a larger one. Or several larger ones. That is the
primary purpose of a gun.
>
> With a gun it is just a twitch of the finger and Blam, the guy is
> gone. (At least that is the way it is on the TV).
Not much useful about guns to be learned from TV.
> But in Modern America I can't see how that is such a bad thing, after
> all y'all can't seem to wash dishes or even get out of the chair to
> change channels on the TV. Why should making it easy for murders be
> such a big deal?
Since most use of guns is NOT for murder, it isn't a big deal.
David
John B.
Nov 17, 2013, 12:50:20 AM11/17/13
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Everybody who is arguing for gun control is quoting drive-bys and
school shootings and drawing the conclusion that if guns weren't so
easy to get it just wouldn't have happened..... Ignoring the fact that
the Japanese do pretty well in the "school killings" category with
just a kitchen knife :-(
--
Cheers,
John B.
eric h
Nov 18, 2013, 3:18:11 AM11/18/13
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Actually, the school attack in Japan didn't produce any deaths.
And it was unusual in the first place, unlike that almost-daily mass killings you're suffering through in America.
209 out of 210 nations in the world get along very well without having guns or with regulating the guns they do have.
Trying to claim that you "need" your guns (outside of regulated use for hunting) is a ridiculous argument.
And it was unusual in the first place, unlike that almost-daily mass killings you're suffering through in America.
209 out of 210 nations in the world get along very well without having guns or with regulating the guns they do have.
Trying to claim that you "need" your guns (outside of regulated use for hunting) is a ridiculous argument.
John B.
Nov 18, 2013, 6:05:53 AM11/18/13
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On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 00:18:11 -0800 (PST), eric h
<ericch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Actually, the school attack in Japan didn't produce any deaths.
>
Are you deliberately lying? Or just imagining things?
<ericch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Actually, the school attack in Japan didn't produce any deaths.
>
On June 8, 2001, at Ikeda Elementary School, an elite primary school
affiliated with Osaka Kyoiku University in Osaka Prefecture, Japan, at
10:15 in the morning, 37-year-old former janitor Mamoru Takuma entered
the school armed with a kitchen knife and began stabbing numerous
school children and teachers. He killed eight children, mostly between
the ages of seven and eight, and seriously wounded thirteen other
children and two teachers
--
Cheers,
John B.
eric h
Nov 19, 2013, 7:32:29 PM11/19/13
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You pick the ONE attack where people died from knife wounds and ignore the other reports where knife attacks produced wounded, but no fatalities
https://www.google.ca/search?q=Knife+attacks+on+schools&oq=Knife+attacks+on+schools&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2.6724j0j4&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8
Tom Gardner
Nov 20, 2013, 8:08:22 AM11/20/13
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Tom Gardner
Nov 20, 2013, 8:13:03 AM11/20/13
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eric h
Nov 20, 2013, 6:42:38 PM11/20/13
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Not enough to justify the ongoing death toll.
GUNS KILL THE EQUIVALENT OF A 9/11 ATTACK EVERY 3 MONTHS!
You had a national conniption over 9/11 - why are you placidly accepting this ongoing death toll?
John B.
Nov 20, 2013, 10:27:45 PM11/20/13
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On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 08:08:22 -0500, Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> wrote:
>On 11/19/2013 7:32 PM, eric h wrote:
>> On Monday, November 18, 2013 6:05:53 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 00:18:11 -0800 (PST), eric h
>>>
>>> <ericch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Actually, the school attack in Japan didn't produce any deaths.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are you deliberately lying? Or just imagining things?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On June 8, 2001, at Ikeda Elementary School, an elite primary school
>>>
>>> affiliated with Osaka Kyoiku University in Osaka Prefecture, Japan, at
>>>
>>> 10:15 in the morning, 37-year-old former janitor Mamoru Takuma entered
>>>
>>> the school armed with a kitchen knife and began stabbing numerous
>>>
>>> school children and teachers. He killed eight children, mostly between
>>>
>>> the ages of seven and eight, and seriously wounded thirteen other
>>>
>>> children and two teachers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John B.
>>
>>
>>
>> Merely commenting on how unbalanced your reporting is.
>>
>> You pick the ONE attack where people died from knife wounds and ignore the other reports where knife attacks produced wounded, but no fatalities
>
No, I was responding to a remark that "Actually, the school attack in
>On 11/19/2013 7:32 PM, eric h wrote:
>> On Monday, November 18, 2013 6:05:53 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 00:18:11 -0800 (PST), eric h
>>>
>>> <ericch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Actually, the school attack in Japan didn't produce any deaths.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are you deliberately lying? Or just imagining things?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On June 8, 2001, at Ikeda Elementary School, an elite primary school
>>>
>>> affiliated with Osaka Kyoiku University in Osaka Prefecture, Japan, at
>>>
>>> 10:15 in the morning, 37-year-old former janitor Mamoru Takuma entered
>>>
>>> the school armed with a kitchen knife and began stabbing numerous
>>>
>>> school children and teachers. He killed eight children, mostly between
>>>
>>> the ages of seven and eight, and seriously wounded thirteen other
>>>
>>> children and two teachers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John B.
>>
>>
>>
>> Merely commenting on how unbalanced your reporting is.
>>
>> You pick the ONE attack where people died from knife wounds and ignore the other reports where knife attacks produced wounded, but no fatalities
>
Japan didn't produce any deaths."
It did, eight of them.
>> https://www.google.ca/search?q=Knife+attacks+on+schools&oq=Knife+attacks+on+schools&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2.6724j0j4&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8
>>
And when I used your search string, above, the first reference on the
page reads "On March 23, 2010, Zheng Minsheng, murdered eight children
with a knife in an elementary school in Nanping, Fujian province"
So the question remains, "deliberately lying? Or just imagining
things?"
>
Certainly more times than a knife is used :-)
--
Cheers,
John B.
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