Navy SEALs ordered to remove ‘don’t tread on me’ Navy Jack from uniforms

[Ray Keller]

http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/01/navy-seals-ordered-to-remove-dont-tread-on-me-navy-jack-from-uniforms/


Navy SEALs ordered to remove ‘don’t tread on me’ Navy Jack from uniforms
The Navy Jack is the ‘don’t tread on me’ flag, one that has earned a revered
place in America’s naval history and a beloved place in sailor’s hearts,
through its use for over two centuries. This symbol of America’s naval
ferocity has spanned our country’s entire existence, flying from the masts of
the Continental Navy during the war of independence, to today’s War on
Terror. In fact, an amendment to the Navy code called SECNAV Instruction
10520.6 clearly states that as of 31 May 2002 all ships are to fly the flag
throughout the duration of the War on Terror.

So why would ranking SEAL commanders ban the historical symbol? Is the
proverbial top bass banning the flag? Is President Obama?

Clearly the administration and sycophant “top brass” officers have degraded
America’s military prestige; from hand-tying rules of engagement, to uniform
regulations that make our military allegedly more compatible with foreign
forces, to the banning of an awe-inspiring flag that traces its roots to the
first U.S. Navy. We have a civilian-led military, but why should our ranking
commanders be complicit in the administration’s war on it? Why don’t they
stand up to Obama and his leftist cronies?

During my two deployments to Iraq, “Don’t Tread on Me” was a phrase seen on
nearly every uniform and platoon space — including mine. From patches to
flags to large paintings on concrete barriers, our commanders themselves wore
the insignia on their sleeves — until now.

Perhaps this is why so many of my former teammates felt compelled to send me
the email below. They may not be able to expose the administration’s
travesty, but I can. The email, dated October 22, reads:

ALL:

WARCOM and GROUP TWO/ONE have pushed out the uniform policy for NWU III and
any patches worn on the sleeve.

All personnel are only authorized to wear the matching “AOR” American Flag
patch on the right shoulder. You are no longer authorized to wear the “Don’t
Tread On Me” patch.

Again the only patch authorized for wear is the American flag on the right
shoulder. Please pass the word to all

Thanks

Senior Enlisted Advisor

[Name Redacted]

After reading the email, I first wondered, ‘why?’ (Actually, first I headed
to the gym to take out my frustration and anger on some unsuspecting weights
with the fury and intensity only a former Navy SEAL can exert.) Why would our
leaders sell out our heritage? Why would they rob present and future sailors
of our battle cry?

When a friend of mine asked his leadership the same question, he was told,
“The Jack is too closely associated with radical groups.” We must assume that
this thought policeman embedded in the SEAL community is speaking of the Tea
Party, whose flag (which also dates from the American Revolution) depicts a
snake with the same defiant slogan as The Navy Jack.

This begs yet another question: Who defines “radical group”? The last time I
checked, all military personnel are under oath to “support and defend the
constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” The Tea Party stands
for constitutional rights and founding principles of civil liberties and
limited government. Radical? Not unless you’re a leftist hell-bent on
destroying the foundations of our country. Or as the President has stated as
the objective of his presidency, “to fundamentally transform” America.

My friends asked me what they should do about this order. I answer them by
saying, “You took an oath to defend this country from enemies foreign and
domestic. Will you put your career before country? Will you put your career
before your sacred oath?” I cannot tell anyone how to respond. I can tell you
though that an enemy — foreign or domestic — that tries to take the Navy Jack
from my uniform could only do so by ripping the patriotic patch from the
uniform of my cold, dead body.

We all have choices to make. The Obama administration and the yes-men top
brass have decided to wage war on our Navy’s heritage. Will the SEALs choose
to defend that heritage and defy them, with all the impertinence the flag’s
slogan implies? Or will they be tread upon?

[deep]

You're so full of shit it defies comprehension. The military has
been changing uniforms for over 200 years. Maybe you should look up
the history of US military uniforms since you clearly know nothing
about them.

[Wayne]

"Ray Keller" wrote in message news:GORdu.202671$i75.1...@fx03.iad...

http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/01/navy-seals-ordered-to-remove-dont-tread-on-me-navy-jack-from-uniforms/


>Navy SEALs ordered to remove ‘don’t tread on me’ Navy Jack from uniforms
>The Navy Jack is the ‘don’t tread on me’ flag, one that has earned a
>revered place in America’s naval history and a beloved place in sailor’s
>hearts, through its use for over two centuries. This symbol of America’s
>naval ferocity has spanned our country’s entire existence, flying from the
>masts of the Continental Navy during the war of independence, to today’s
>War on Terror. In fact, an amendment to the Navy code called SECNAV
>Instruction 10520.6 clearly states that as of 31 May 2002 all ships are to
>fly the flag throughout the duration of the War on Terror.

>So why would ranking SEAL commanders ban the historical symbol? Is the
>proverbial top bass banning the flag? Is President Obama?

>Clearly the administration and sycophant “top brass” officers have degraded
>America’s military prestige; from hand-tying rules of engagement, to
>uniform regulations that make our military allegedly more compatible with
>foreign forces, to the banning of an awe-inspiring flag that traces its
>roots to the first U.S. Navy. We have a civilian-led military, but why
>should our ranking commanders be complicit in the administration’s war on
>it? Why don’t they stand up to Obama and his leftist cronies?

"Take my word for it. If you like your Constitution, you will be able to
keep it!"
--Barack Obama

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 15:25:18 -0700, deep wrote:

>You're so full of shit it defies comprehension. The military has
>been changing uniforms for over 200 years. Maybe you should look up
>the history of US military uniforms since you clearly know nothing
>about them.

[chuckle]

Speaking of not knowing about military things............

"US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
big. Nimitz class carriers are over 1000 feet long. They are longer
than the swells so are unaffected. You can stand a pencil on the
table in the mess hall and it will stand upright while the ship is
underway."
Message-ID: <jdq6q8he8t2dpgb0j...@4ax.com>

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> fired this volley in
news:70ig791s2bs17joic...@4ax.com:

>
> "US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
> big. Nimitz class carriers are over 1000 feet long. They are longer
> than the swells so are unaffected. You can stand a pencil on the
> table in the mess hall and it will stand upright while the ship is
> underway."

Are you saying that's true, or making fun of someone who said it?

It's patently false. Not only do they pitch and roll, the VASI has to be
dynamically-stabilized to accommodate the motions. (It's called the
"magic mirror" or just "the mirror" by crew) It's mounted on a 3-axis
gyroscopically-stabilized stalk to keep the approach angle beam at a
constant ascention angle to the horizon and compass azimuth, regardless
of what the ship's deck does in terms of pitch and roll AND yaw.

What makes anyone think the distance between swells couldn't be more than
500'?

Lloyd


Lloyd

[PrecisionmachinisT]

"Ray Keller" <Left...@desperate.com> wrote in message
news:GORdu.202671$i75.1...@fx03.iad...
>

> http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/01/navy-seals-ordered-to-remove-dont-tread-on-me-navy-jack-from-uniforms/
>
>
> Navy SEALs ordered to remove 'don't tread on me' Navy Jack from uniforms

Bullshit.

http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20131104/NEWS07/311040026/Official-Spec-ops-sailors-can-keep-wearing-Navy-jack-

"As of September 2013, all Naval Special Warfare personnel are authorized to
wear the U.S. flag and the "Don't Tread on me" uniform patches," Navy
spokeswoman Lt. Cmdr. Sarah Flaherty told Navy Times. "In the past, NSW did
not authorize wearing either patch unless one was deployed or in a work-up
cycle. However, NSW recently sought special permission from the Chief of
Naval Operations staff to wear the patches within the continental United
States."

[Sam]

On 11/4/2013 12:36 PM, Ray Keller wrote:

>
> Navy SEALs ordered to remove �don�t tread on me� Navy Jack from uniforms
> The Navy Jack is the �don�t tread on me� flag,

Current crop of pussies don't deserve to wear it !

Are you that stupid to recognize that ?

What has the US military really done since WWII ? Protected America
from a bunch of unarmed civilians in shit holes like Vietnam,
Iraq and Afghanistan , blew $billions doing it , then got their ass's
beat by cave dwellers. Meanwhile they let millions of Mexicans in the
US to take their jobs while they were out playing soldier !

It is easy to be military man when the enemy are kids.


boo.

[deep]

On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:28:45 -0600, Sam <S...@nomail.com> wrote:

>On 11/4/2013 12:36 PM, Ray Keller wrote:
>
>>

>> Navy SEALs ordered to remove ‘don’t tread on me’ Navy Jack from uniforms
>> The Navy Jack is the ‘don’t tread on me’ flag,

>
>Current crop of pussies don't deserve to wear it !
>
>Are you that stupid to recognize that ?
>
>What has the US military really done since WWII ? Protected America
>from a bunch of unarmed civilians in shit holes like Vietnam,
>Iraq and Afghanistan , blew $billions doing it , then got their ass's
>beat by cave dwellers. Meanwhile they let millions of Mexicans in the
>US to take their jobs while they were out playing soldier !
>
>It is easy to be military man when the enemy are kids.
>

Ever since WWII the US military has been nothing but enforcers for
corporations exploiting foreign nations for their resources.

>
>boo.
>
>
>

[RosemontCrest]

On 11/4/2013 6:05 PM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
> Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> fired this volley in
> news:70ig791s2bs17joic...@4ax.com:
>
>>
>> "US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
>> big. Nimitz class carriers are over 1000 feet long. They are longer
>> than the swells so are unaffected. You can stand a pencil on the
>> table in the mess hall and it will stand upright while the ship is
>> underway."
>
> Are you saying that's true, or making fun of someone who said it?

I'm sure it's the latter, Lloyd. That quote is one of many treasures
that Deep Dudu posts to entertain us.

> It's patently false. Not only do they pitch and roll, the VASI has to be
> dynamically-stabilized to accommodate the motions. (It's called the
> "magic mirror" or just "the mirror" by crew) It's mounted on a 3-axis
> gyroscopically-stabilized stalk to keep the approach angle beam at a
> constant ascention angle to the horizon and compass azimuth, regardless
> of what the ship's deck does in terms of pitch and roll AND yaw.
>
> What makes anyone think the distance between swells couldn't be more than
> 500'?

Dudu doesn't think before it posts.

> Lloyd
>
>
> Lloyd
>

[Sam]

On 11/4/2013 8:45 PM, deep wrote:
>
>>
>> It is easy to be military man when the enemy are kids.
>>
> Ever since WWII the US military has been nothing but enforcers for
> corporations exploiting foreign nations for their resources.
>

Exactly . Mafia paid for by tax payers.

[Johnny Johnson]

In article <b67g79dq0a2lq63rm...@4ax.com>, deep shit (Tiefe

>> on nearly every uniform and platoon space --- including mine. From patches

to
>> flags to large paintings on concrete barriers, our commanders themselves
wore

>> the insignia on their sleeves --- until now.

>>
>> Perhaps this is why so many of my former teammates felt compelled to send
>> me the email below. They may not be able to expose the administration's
>>travesty, but I can. The email, dated October 22, reads:
>
> You're so full of shit it defies comprehension.
>

Argumentum non sequitur + argumentum ad hominem:

"Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong."
--Jean-Jacques Rousseau

>
> The military has been changing uniforms for over 200 years.
> Maybe you should look up the history of US military uniforms since you
> clearly know nothing about them.
>

I wore mine for years, so *I* speak from *real* experience, Deep Dipshit.

1. Google "Don't Tread On Me" morale patch and "Navy jack patch"; and,

2. Apparently all the bad press has borne fruit -- from Military Times:

Official: Spec-ops sailors can keep wearing 'Navy jack'
Nov. 4, 2013 - 07:24PM

http://tinyurl.com/1976-Navy-Jack

The Navy is flatly denying claims that SEALs are no longer allowed to wear
the First Navy Jack patch on their uniforms. In fact, the Navy recently
expanded the wear rules for the iconic "Don't Tread on Me Patch."

In an op-ed originally published in the Daily Caller former SEAL Carl Higbie
describes a "travesty" in which special operations sailors are being told to
no longer wear the Navy jack on their arm. Higbie cites an anonymous email
from a "senior enlisted adviser" that states the following:

"All personnel are only authorized to wear the matching "AOR" American Flag
patch on the right shoulder. You are no longer authorized to wear the "Don't
Tread On Me" patch."

Higbie expresses outrage in his column, putting much of the blame on the
commander in chief.

"The Obama administration and the yes-men top brass have decided to wage war

on our Navy's heritage," he writes. "Will the SEALs choose to defend that

heritage and defy them, with all the impertinence the flag's slogan implies?
Or will they be tread upon?"

A number of concerned readers contacted Navy Times to determine whether these
claims were true.

The Navy has thus far been unable to confirm the validity of the email from
the senior official. If it's legit, then someone in in the spec-ops community
got their wires crossed.

"As of September 2013, all Naval Special Warfare personnel are authorized to
wear the U.S. flag and the "Don't Tread on me" uniform patches," Navy
spokeswoman Lt. Cmdr. Sarah Flaherty told Navy Times. "In the past, NSW did
not authorize wearing either patch unless one was deployed or in a work-up
cycle. However, NSW recently sought special permission from the Chief of
Naval Operations staff to wear the patches within the continental United
States."

The "Don't Tread on Me" flag dates back to the first Continental Navy ships
in 1775. Sailors have flown the jack on ships and worn it as a uniform patch
since the declaration of Sept. 11 as Patriot Day in 2002.

That order, from former Navy Secretary Gordon England and former Chief of
Naval Operations Adm. Vern Clark, authorized use of the First Navy Jack
throughout the duration of the Global War on Terrorism.

Higbie is a war veteran who served eight and a half years, most of that time
with SEAL Team 10. He was discharged in 2012, leaving service as a petty
officer first class.

http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20131104/NEWS07/311040026/Official-Spec-
ops-sailors-can-keep-wearing-Navy-jack-

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:28:45 -0600, Sam <S...@nomail.com> wrote:

>On 11/4/2013 12:36 PM, Ray Keller wrote:
>
>>

>> Navy SEALs ordered to remove ‘don’t tread on me’ Navy Jack from uniforms
>> The Navy Jack is the ‘don’t tread on me’ flag,

>
>Current crop of pussies don't deserve to wear it !

Say the little gay guy who lives in the YMCA.

>
>Are you that stupid to recognize that ?
>
>What has the US military really done since WWII ? Protected America
>from a bunch of unarmed civilians in shit holes like Vietnam,
>Iraq and Afghanistan , blew $billions doing it , then got their ass's
>beat by cave dwellers. Meanwhile they let millions of Mexicans in the
>US to take their jobs while they were out playing soldier !
>
>It is easy to be military man when the enemy are kids.

So...you are saying only old men can kill?
>
>
>boobhead

Well named!!

.
>
>
>

--
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that "special" is a polite euphemism for;
*window licker on the short bus*"

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[Gunner Asch]

Now we know who Deeps "wife" is.

[rbowman]

wrote:

> Ever since WWII the US military has been nothing but enforcers for
> corporations exploiting foreign nations for their resources.

WWII? Major General Smedley Butler wrote 'War is a Racket' in 1935, drawing
on his experiences in the Banana Wars. For that matter, the whole 'shores of
Tripoli' was to protect New England shipping interests in the Mediterranean.
Even at the time, the opposition argued the business of America was in
America and not around the world.

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:12:50 -0700, rbowman <bow...@montana.com>
wrote:

I take it you two never heard of Tojo or Hitler?


--
Liberals want everyone to think like them.
Conservatives want everyone to think.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:05:26 -0600, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
<lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:

>Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> fired this volley in
>news:70ig791s2bs17joic...@4ax.com:
>
>>
>> "US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
>> big. Nimitz class carriers are over 1000 feet long. They are longer
>> than the swells so are unaffected. You can stand a pencil on the
>> table in the mess hall and it will stand upright while the ship is
>> underway."
>
>Are you saying that's true, or making fun of someone who said it?

I'm making fun of Deep Dudu, who said it.

>It's patently false.

Of course it is. Just like many other things Dudu has claimed.

Patently false.

> Not only do they pitch and roll, the VASI has to be
>dynamically-stabilized to accommodate the motions. (It's called the
>"magic mirror" or just "the mirror" by crew) It's mounted on a 3-axis
>gyroscopically-stabilized stalk to keep the approach angle beam at a
>constant ascention angle to the horizon and compass azimuth, regardless
>of what the ship's deck does in terms of pitch and roll AND yaw.
>
>What makes anyone think the distance between swells couldn't be more than
>500'?

Dudu likes to claim he knows a lot of things that just ain't so.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

[yawn]

Once again, Dudu is making shit up he can't back with facts.

But then, that never stopped him before.


http://klaus.webege.com/dudu/dudu.htm
Deep Dudu's FORTRESS OF LIES
Now Over FOUR HUNDRED
Lies, Falsehoods, Fabrications, Distortions, and Deceptions!
Since July, 2011

[Scout]

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
news:XnsA26ED69A93492ll...@216.168.3.70...

> Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> fired this volley in
> news:70ig791s2bs17joic...@4ax.com:
>
>>
>> "US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
>> big. Nimitz class carriers are over 1000 feet long. They are longer
>> than the swells so are unaffected. You can stand a pencil on the
>> table in the mess hall and it will stand upright while the ship is
>> underway."
>
> Are you saying that's true, or making fun of someone who said it?

Deep Dudu, our resident self appointed 'expert' on any subject you care to
name said it. Klaus is just rubbing his nose in his stupidity and ignorance
once again, and reminding the readership how much Dudu really knows when he
claims to know what he's talking about.

> It's patently false. Not only do they pitch and roll, the VASI has to be
> dynamically-stabilized to accommodate the motions. (It's called the
> "magic mirror" or just "the mirror" by crew) It's mounted on a 3-axis
> gyroscopically-stabilized stalk to keep the approach angle beam at a
> constant ascention angle to the horizon and compass azimuth, regardless
> of what the ship's deck does in terms of pitch and roll AND yaw.
>
> What makes anyone think the distance between swells couldn't be more than
> 500'?

Because he's an ignorant dumb-ass.....oh and FYI the icing on the cake is
that he claims to be an ex-Navy seaman. One has to wonder how he's managed
to serve and never noted the reaction of a ship making a tight turn.....even
if we ignore everything else.

Of course at other times he's claimed to have been an officer and pilot in
the Indian Air Force.

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> fired this volley in
news:l5ajtj$82t$1...@dont-email.me:

> Because he's an ignorant dumb-ass.....oh and FYI the icing on the cake
> is that he claims to be an ex-Navy seaman. One has to wonder how he's
> managed to serve and never noted the reaction of a ship making a tight
> turn.....even if we ignore everything else.
>
> Of course at other times he's claimed to have been an officer and
> pilot in the Indian Air Force.

Ok...
Well, it just wasn't clear (because if the way it fell into the
quotation) whether he was saying it or just making fun with it; so my
apologies to him.

Big, BIG ships still pitch, roll, and yaw.

(And then there are the ships specifically BUILT for rough seas... like
DERs, with rubber flex joints in the hulls! <G>)

Lloyd

[Stormin Mormon]

On 11/4/2013 8:04 PM, Wayne wrote:
>
>
> "Ray Keller" wrote in message news:GORdu.202671$i75.1...@fx03.iad...
>
>
> http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/01/navy-seals-ordered-to-remove-dont-tread-on-me-navy-jack-from-uniforms/
>
>
>
>> Navy SEALs ordered to remove ‘don’t tread on me’ Navy Jack from uniforms
>> The Navy Jack is the ‘don’t tread on me’ flag, one that has earned a
>> revered place in America’s naval history and a beloved place in
>

> "Take my word for it. If you like your Constitution, you will be able
> to keep it!"
> --Barack Obama

Best quote I've heard, in ages. And, I do believe
that to be the kind of thing B. Hussein would say.

--
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> fired this volley in

news:shkh791qpvft3el3r...@4ax.com:

> Dudu likes to claim he knows a lot of things that just ain't so.

For some reason, I only saw your half of the conversation... That's why I
asked which way you fell on it.

Whoever this Dudu person is, he sounds like someone with a Walter Mitty
complex.

Lloyd

[Scout]

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message

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> "Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> fired this volley in
> news:l5ajtj$82t$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> Because he's an ignorant dumb-ass.....oh and FYI the icing on the cake
>> is that he claims to be an ex-Navy seaman. One has to wonder how he's
>> managed to serve and never noted the reaction of a ship making a tight
>> turn.....even if we ignore everything else.
>>
>> Of course at other times he's claimed to have been an officer and
>> pilot in the Indian Air Force.
>
> Ok...
> Well, it just wasn't clear (because if the way it fell into the
> quotation) whether he was saying it or just making fun with it; so my
> apologies to him.

No need, you made it clear you were asking for clarification, so no harm, no
foul.

>
> Big, BIG ships still pitch, roll, and yaw.

No shit. USS America certainly moved around plenty. Of course, she was only
990 feet at the water line so that probably explains it.

:-)

[JamesHutchinson]

"Scout" wrote in message news:l5aurn$5kf$1...@dont-email.me...

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
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> "Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> fired this volley in
> news:l5ajtj$82t$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> Because he's an ignorant dumb-ass.....oh and FYI the icing on the cake
>> is that he claims to be an ex-Navy seaman. One has to wonder how he's
>> managed to serve and never noted the reaction of a ship making a tight
>> turn.....even if we ignore everything else.
>>
>> Of course at other times he's claimed to have been an officer and
>> pilot in the Indian Air Force.
>
> Ok...
> Well, it just wasn't clear (because if the way it fell into the
> quotation) whether he was saying it or just making fun with it; so my
> apologies to him.

No need, you made it clear you were asking for clarification, so no harm, no
foul.

>
> Big, BIG ships still pitch, roll, and yaw.

####
Deep DooDoo killed "Lookout" ...and possibly Lee and George Harrison as
well!

Notice how the latter do not post any more?

[rbowman]

Gunner Asch wrote:

> I take it you two never heard of Tojo or Hitler?

In all fairness, dudu said 'since WWII'. I've even heard of Kaiser Bill. Had
Wilson not been so intent on making sure Britain was around to repay the
money loaned to them by US banks, we could have sat that one out. No
Versailles, no Third Reich. But then, my father wouldn't have gotten to go
to France.

[RD Sandman]

"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in

news:XnsA26ED69A93492ll...@216.168.3.70:

> Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> fired this volley
> in news:70ig791s2bs17joic...@4ax.com:
>
>>
>> "US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
>> big. Nimitz class carriers are over 1000 feet long. They are longer
>> than the swells so are unaffected. You can stand a pencil on the
>> table in the mess hall and it will stand upright while the ship is
>> underway."
>
> Are you saying that's true, or making fun of someone who said it?

The latter.

> It's patently false. Not only do they pitch and roll, the VASI has to
> be dynamically-stabilized to accommodate the motions. (It's called the
> "magic mirror" or just "the mirror" by crew) It's mounted on a 3-axis
> gyroscopically-stabilized stalk to keep the approach angle beam at a
> constant ascention angle to the horizon and compass azimuth,
> regardless of what the ship's deck does in terms of pitch and roll AND
> yaw.
>
> What makes anyone think the distance between swells couldn't be more
> than 500'?
>
> Lloyd
>
>
> Lloyd
>

--
Sleep well tonight.......

RD (The Sandman}

One bullet in the possession of a criminal is too many.....
Ten bullets in the possession of a mother trying to protect
her children....may not be enough.

[RD Sandman]

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> "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
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>> "Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> fired this volley
>> in news:l5ajtj$82t$1...@dont-email.me:
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>>> Because he's an ignorant dumb-ass.....oh and FYI the icing on the
>>> cake is that he claims to be an ex-Navy seaman. One has to wonder
>>> how he's managed to serve and never noted the reaction of a ship
>>> making a tight turn.....even if we ignore everything else.
>>>
>>> Of course at other times he's claimed to have been an officer and
>>> pilot in the Indian Air Force.
>>
>> Ok...
>> Well, it just wasn't clear (because if the way it fell into the
>> quotation) whether he was saying it or just making fun with it; so
>> my apologies to him.
>
> No need, you made it clear you were asking for clarification, so no
> harm, no foul.
>
>>
>> Big, BIG ships still pitch, roll, and yaw.
>
> No shit. USS America certainly moved around plenty. Of course, she was
> only 990 feet at the water line so that probably explains it.
>
>:-)

Hey, that extra 10' to get to a 1,000 makes a helluva difference.

>> (And then there are the ships specifically BUILT for rough seas...
>> like DERs, with rubber flex joints in the hulls! <G>)
>
>
>
>

[Scout]

"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
> news:l5aurn$5kf$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>>
>>
>> "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:XnsA26F4AB84B03Dll...@216.168.3.70...
>>> "Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> fired this volley
>>> in news:l5ajtj$82t$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> Because he's an ignorant dumb-ass.....oh and FYI the icing on the
>>>> cake is that he claims to be an ex-Navy seaman. One has to wonder
>>>> how he's managed to serve and never noted the reaction of a ship
>>>> making a tight turn.....even if we ignore everything else.
>>>>
>>>> Of course at other times he's claimed to have been an officer and
>>>> pilot in the Indian Air Force.
>>>
>>> Ok...
>>> Well, it just wasn't clear (because if the way it fell into the
>>> quotation) whether he was saying it or just making fun with it; so
>>> my apologies to him.
>>
>> No need, you made it clear you were asking for clarification, so no
>> harm, no foul.
>>
>>>
>>> Big, BIG ships still pitch, roll, and yaw.
>>
>> No shit. USS America certainly moved around plenty. Of course, she was
>> only 990 feet at the water line so that probably explains it.
>>
>>:-)
>
> Hey, that extra 10' to get to a 1,000 makes a helluva difference.

It sure must because those 12 degree rolls were pretty interesting...

[RD Sandman]

"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in news:l5c2ko
$agl$1...@dont-email.me:

See, I wasn't even Navy and I knew that. ;)

[Scout]

"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote in message

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What is amazing is that Dudu who claims to be ex-Navy (which is probably as
accurate as his claims of being an officer in the Indian Air Force) doesn't.