Spy chiefs turn on Obama
Lib Loo
Afghanistan
By David Gardner
Last updated at 8:40 AM on 02nd January 2010
Barack Obama was accused of double standards yesterday in his treatment of
the CIA.
The President paid tribute to secret agents after seven of them were killed
by a suicide bomber in Afghanistan.
In a statement, he said the CIA had been 'tested as never before' and that
agents had 'served on the front lines in directly confronting the dangers of
the 21st century'.
He lauded the victims as 'part of a long line of patriots who have made
great sacrifices for their fellow citizens and for our way of life'.
Yet the previous day he had blasted 'systemic failures' in the CIA and other
U.S. intelligence agencies for failing to prevent the Christmas Day syringe
bomb attack
'One day the President is pointing the finger and blaming the intelligence
services, saying there is a systemic failure,' said one agency official.
'Now we are heroes. The fact is that we are doing everything humanly
possible to stay on top of the security situation. The deaths of our
operatives shows just how involved we are on the ground.'
But CIA bosses claim they were unfairly blamed at a time the covert
government agency has been stretched further than ever before in Afghanistan
and Pakistan.
They point to the murder of seven operatives at a remote mountain base in
Afghanistan's Khost Province as an example of how agents are putting their
lives on the line at the vanguard of America's far-flung wars.
The agents - including the chief of the base, a mother-of-three - were
collecting information about militants when the suicide bomber struck on
Wednesday.
The attack was the deadliest single day for the agency since eight CIA
officers were killed in the 1983 bombing of the US Embassy in Beirut.
The base targetted by Wednesday's suicide bomber was a control centre for a
covert programme overseeing strikes by remote-controlled aircraft along
Afghanistan's border with Pakistan.
'Those who fell were far from home and close to the enemy, doing the hard
work that must be done to protect our country from terrorism. We owe them
our deepest gratitude,' CIA Director Leon Panetta said.
Some CIA officials are angry at being criticised by the White House after
Abdulmutallab, 23, was allowed to slip through the security net and board a
US-bound flight in Amsterdam despite evidence he was a terror threat.
The president complained that a warning from the former London engineering
student's father and information about an al Qaeda bomb plot involving a
Nigerian were not handled properly by the intelligence networks.
But CIA officials say the data was sent to the US National Counterterrorism
Centre in Washington, which was set up after the 9/11 attacks as a clearing
house where raw data should be analysed.
Agents claim that is where the dots should have been connected to help
identify Abdulmutallab as a threat.
F. George McDuffee
<heez...@crazymother.kom> wrote:
Ref:
<snip>
>Spy chiefs turn on President Obama after seven CIA agents are slaughtered in
>Afghanistan
>By David Gardner
>Last updated at 8:40 AM on 02nd January 2010
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While I have no governmental experience, I have seen the same
situation develop several times when companies merge and one set
of managers/engineers will not cooperate with or even talk to the
other, than to offer bad advice and misleading information.
Several things were tried, but the only approach that seemed to
have any effect was the termination of one (or more sets) of the
senior engineers/managers.
The argument is frequently advanced that too much knowledge and
experience will be lost if this is done, but it should be clear
that their "knowledge and experience" is worthless in the present
situation, and the personnel are pursuing their own agendas
without regard to the needs or policies of the parent corporation
[or nation]. It is also critical that the "top secret" stamp and
"National Security" not be used to conceal gross personal and
departmental incompetency and dereliction of duty, and the
incompetent, derelict and rogue are fired, and not allowed back
in as sub-contractor employees, e.g. BlackWater.
The Country and the President cannot tolerate the continued
existence of groups of incompetent, disloyal, renegade and rogue
tax payer funded individuals and even entire agencies.
The time has come for a "root and branch" purge of the CIA, NSA
and other spook agencies, and re-start with new blood, possibly
with a new unified foreign intelligence agency, for the new
mission and new opponents of the new millennium.
Unka George
(George McDuffee)
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).
Jeff M
There is usually some degree of tension between elements of the career
service and the elected or appointed politicians supposed to be in
charge. A good housecleaning of the entrenched career service
bureaucracy is sometimes required to end stubborn resistance and
repeated end-runs aimed at undermining or circumventing the new
administration.
Stu Fields
"F. George McDuffee" <gmcd...@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote in message
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Unka George while I certainly agree that the entrenched bureacracy of career
civil servants causes inumerable problems and loss of effective, efficient
operation. However, if the tenure of the people trying to do a good job
becomes dependent on the political spin of the party in power, the
intelligence community, like others, will be forced to produce data to
support what ever the current power structure wants to hear. Does this
sound like anything that we have in D.C. right now?? The supervision and
management of highly technical agencies by non technical MBAs and political
hacks has very rarely yielded anything good. I think that there are
numerous career civil servants that want to do a good job. I also think
that the problems that stop them are two fold. 1. Tenure does not depend on
competence. 2. Incompetent, politically savvy management that doesn't know
what the competence of item 1. above looks like. In my career working for
the Department of Defense, I've seen numerous examples of the above. Simply
purging without addressing these issues is only going to change the faces.
HH&C
associates.us> wrote:
Except that Obama will replace those purged with the likes of
Napolitano. What use is that?
dav19...@nowhere.invalid
<gmcd...@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote:
>The Country and the President cannot tolerate the continued
>existence of groups of incompetent, disloyal, renegade and rogue
>tax payer funded individuals and even entire agencies.
>
>The time has come for a "root and branch" purge of the CIA, NSA
>and other spook agencies, and re-start with new blood, possibly
>with a new unified foreign intelligence agency, for the new
>mission and new opponents of the new millennium.
>
>Unka George
Hey, the black ops guys that rigged up the 9-11 attacks were anything
but incompetent......umm, except for the fact that they also blew up
their command center, WTC Building Seven, on live TV with an obvious
controlled demolition. False flag terror is alive, well, and lives
over at the CIA.
Nothing but a little Skull and Bones fraternity prank/power
grab......except one that will probably escalate into World War Three.
But surely between here and the end of WWIII there are huge profits to
be made by GHW Bush's Carlyle Group buddies and Dick Chenney's
Haliburton buddies.
And I am sure when the s**t really hits the fan, these guys all have
pass cards to the VIP sections of the Deep Underground Military
Bunkers (DUMBs).
They'll be down there dining on their stocks of frozen steaks while
your up here on the surface breaking out in pus oozing sores from the
chemical, biological, and nuclear attacks....until you just die.
The "new opponents of the new millennium" ARE the CIA, NSA, etc. The
insaniacs in these agencies are going to create conditions that will
eventually kill you and me. That makes them enemies as far as I can
tell.
Dave
Buerste
<dav19...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
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I love the idea that the libtards want to prosecute "ABC" agents for doing
what they had legal orders to do, then expect these agents to put their
lives on the line to provide intelligence to, and protect these same
libtards. So, if these "insaniacs" create conditions that get YOU
killed...I could live with that. After all, they are YOUR enemies.
dav19...@nowhere.invalid
wrote:
>><dav19...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:jso2k5prhjvgjvdp4...@4ax.com...
I must be mistakenly reading your post. Are you asserting that the
"ABC" (alphabet soup agencies) agents had legal orders to carry out
the 9-11 attacks, or have you been unable to see through the fog and
determine for yourself that the 9-11 attacks were carried out by black
operations within these "ABC" agencies?
Watch this video, watch World Trade Center building Seven collapse,
and then try to carefully think through what actually occurred on
9-11. No we were not attacked by "Arab terrorists".....we were
attacked by Arabs working as agents of some black ops division within
the US government. Note the controlled demolition of this building. It
was plainly wired with explosives prior to 9-11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A
or here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odp1FO0Vmuw
Think!!! I know you can. But will you? I realize that it very
difficult to believe that your government has been infiltrated by some
type of criminal vermin....but believe it because it's true.
By the way, do not confuse me with a "libtard". I want my government
to follow the US Constitution. It was written in a way to make it
difficult for the criminals to overthrow, but it also requires a
vigilant citizenry. And yet, maybe you are blind and cannot see WTC 7
for what it was: a controlled demolition.
Dave
Buerste
<dav19...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:9gv2k5h9gkat5rqf5...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 23:21:09 -0500,
> I must be mistakenly reading your post. Are you asserting that the
> "ABC" (alphabet soup agencies) agents had legal orders to carry out
> the 9-11 attacks, or have you been unable to see through the fog and
> determine for yourself that the 9-11 attacks were carried out by black
> operations within these "ABC" agencies?
Henry Femler had to listened to his wife natter at him for many years about
the poor satellite TV reception and how she just couldn't enjoy her Stories
and especially "Opra" with all the static on the screen. She insisted he DO
something! He was in a bad way. The Satellite company told him repeatedly
that his reception couldn't be improved due to the surrounding cityscape.
Finally one day, Henry had enough of his wife's constant, shrill
complaining...he took maters into his own hands. THAT'S what happened to
the Twin-Towers...Henry Femler!
Steve B
<dav19...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
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Well, Dave, that makes two of us here. Welcome to the bunker.
Steve
Steve B
"Buerste" <bue...@wowway.com> wrote in message
news:R0e0n.1466$ZB2...@newsfe13.iad...
I'm sure your attitude will change when you are herded to the group we are
in instead of being taken to the safe shelters of the "elite". Problem then
is, you won't be welcomed by EITHER camp, and will have to exist (or not) on
the fringe. Your well worn pseudointellectualism will not qualify you for
entry into the elitist illuminati camp. Sorry.
Steve
Buerste
"Steve B" <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote in message
news:koh917-...@news.infowest.com...
I can hardly wait to see just who is going to "herd" me!
Gunner Asch
This could be very interesting. Ive never seen a heavily armed sheep
before.....<G>
Gunner
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766
Steve B
You'll be the easiest. The promise of a desk name plate will get you to go
wherever they want you to go.
Steve
Buerste
You get these ideas...where? Maybe you are projecting your beliefs. Hit
your reset button, you're wackin'-out. Maybe your noggin needs an entirely
new OS, you're wetware seems incompatible with this reality.
Michael A. Terrell
Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> Buerste wrote:
> >
> >I can hardly wait to see just who is going to "herd" me!
>
> This could be very interesting. Ive never seen a heavily armed sheep
> before.....<G>
Driving a home made tank, covered in spinning wire brushes!
--
Greed is the root of all eBay.
Michael A. Terrell
Buerste wrote:
>
> You get these ideas...where? Maybe you are projecting your beliefs. Hit
> your reset button, you're wackin'-out. Maybe your noggin needs an entirely
> new OS, you're wetware seems incompatible with this reality.
There is a new market for you, Tom. Extra long and thin bottle
brushes to clean out clogged brain drains! :)