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jon_banquer
Nov 10, 2013, 12:24:11 PM11/10/13
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dca...@krl.org
Nov 10, 2013, 4:15:45 PM11/10/13
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On Sunday, November 10, 2013 12:24:11 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
> Raise the minimum wage
>
Right, a hundred dollars an hour sounds about right. It will make everyone rich.
Dan
> Raise the minimum wage
>
Right, a hundred dollars an hour sounds about right. It will make everyone rich.
Dan
jon_banquer
Nov 10, 2013, 5:07:42 PM11/10/13
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Tell this group again how a knee mill isn't often found in a home machine shop.
eric h
Nov 10, 2013, 6:52:08 PM11/10/13
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Having the US Government subsidize large corporations through food stamps is ridiculous.
You can't afford it and the corporations can afford the increased wages.
Strange hot the Tea Party, who is bound and determined to reduce government waste, has missed this one.
You can't afford it and the corporations can afford the increased wages.
Strange hot the Tea Party, who is bound and determined to reduce government waste, has missed this one.
Richard
Nov 10, 2013, 7:17:24 PM11/10/13
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On 11/10/2013 11:24 AM, jon_banquer wrote:
> Raise the minimum wage
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYFueqv0iIQ
Shouldn't that be the employer's decision?
> Raise the minimum wage
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYFueqv0iIQ
jon_banquer
Nov 10, 2013, 7:43:21 PM11/10/13
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dca...@krl.org
Nov 10, 2013, 9:07:09 PM11/10/13
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On Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:07:42 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
> Tell this group again how a knee mill isn't often found in a home machine shop.
Why don't you post those pictures again of the knee mill in your shop?
> Tell this group again how a knee mill isn't often found in a home machine shop.
Dan
jon_banquer
Nov 10, 2013, 10:17:01 PM11/10/13
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dca...@krl.org
Nov 11, 2013, 10:15:49 AM11/11/13
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On Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17:01 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
> Why don't post picture of your garage that show it was designed by an idiot (probably you) for midgets.
You have a poor memory. It is the basement that does not have the height for a Bridgeport. The garage has enough height, but two bays are already full ( five welders, horizontal band saw, table saw , two lawn tractors, etc. ) and my wife has her car in the third bay.
> Why don't post picture of your garage that show it was designed by an idiot (probably you) for midgets.
Dan
Richard
Nov 11, 2013, 1:31:08 PM11/11/13
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jon_banquer
Nov 11, 2013, 1:44:05 PM11/11/13
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Gunner Asch
Nov 11, 2013, 1:48:14 PM11/11/13
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to fuck up memory for very long periods of time or in his
case..permanantly.
As his mug shots show.
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jon_banquer
Nov 11, 2013, 1:56:45 PM11/11/13
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Explain how allowing Walmart to be the major beneficiary of food stamps for its workers, who Walmart refuses to pay a fair wage to, is sound economics.
We don't have sound economics in America. What we have is a fucking scam designed to fleece the middle class of as much as possible. George Carlin had it right when he said:
"It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q
jon_banquer
Nov 11, 2013, 2:00:17 PM11/11/13
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On Monday, November 11, 2013 10:48:14 AM UTC-8, Gunner Asch lied:
<snip>
More lies from Mark Wieber.
I don't drink and I don't use drugs. It's been like 20 years since I smoked a joint and at least 7 years since I enjoyed an occasional scotch on the rocks after a steak dinner.
<snip>
More lies from Mark Wieber.
I don't drink and I don't use drugs. It's been like 20 years since I smoked a joint and at least 7 years since I enjoyed an occasional scotch on the rocks after a steak dinner.
PrecisionmachinisT
Nov 11, 2013, 3:01:25 PM11/11/13
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<dca...@krl.org> wrote in message news:81b71ee3-a738-4bff...@googlegroups.com...
> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 12:24:11 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
>> Raise the minimum wage
>>
> Right, a hundred dollars an hour sounds about right. It will make everyone rich.
>
Silly goose...
>> Raise the minimum wage
>>
> Right, a hundred dollars an hour sounds about right. It will make everyone rich.
>
Nobody is advocating anywhere near such a huge increase in the minimum wage.
PrecisionmachinisT
Nov 11, 2013, 3:13:47 PM11/11/13
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"Richard" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:2-SdnbYjUbrJvxzP...@earthlink.com...
"Even in countries with a high minimum wage, the golden arches manage to turn a profit. Here's how."
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PrecisionmachinisT
Nov 11, 2013, 3:19:28 PM11/11/13
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<dca...@krl.org> wrote in message news:e1fad0aa-f757-4a1b...@googlegroups.com...
> The garage has enough height, but two bays are already full ( five welders, horizontal band saw, table saw , two lawn tractors, etc. ) and my wife has > her car in the third bay.
jon_banquer
Nov 11, 2013, 3:23:10 PM11/11/13
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dca...@krl.org
Nov 11, 2013, 3:56:20 PM11/11/13
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On Monday, November 11, 2013 3:19:28 PM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
> Why would anyone in his right mind want FIVE welders in his fucking garage?
Four would really be enougb. One is an oxy acet welder. Sometimes that is the best tool for the job. One is an old AC stick welder, which takes the least time to set and use for many jobs. One is a Tig welder which is the ticket for aluminium and nice looking stainless welds. One is a Mig which is kind of like a metal glue gun. Another one is an AC/DC stick welder, which I bought fairly recently because the price was too good to pass up. And sometimes DC stick is good. I could do without one of the stick welders.
> Why would anyone in his right mind want FIVE welders in his fucking garage?
Or is your point that they should be in a proper shop, not in the garage.
Dan
Jim Stewart
Nov 11, 2013, 4:32:51 PM11/11/13
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You working at Walmart now?
dca...@krl.org
Nov 11, 2013, 5:15:46 PM11/11/13
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On Monday, November 11, 2013 3:01:25 PM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote
As I see it, it is just another way to increase inflation. Inflation helps those that borrow and hurts those that save.
Dan
>
> Silly goose...
>
>
>
> Nobody is advocating anywhere near such a huge increase in the minimum wage.
Intended to be silly, thanks for the feedback. But if raising the minimum wage a little is good, why is raising it a lot bad?
> Silly goose...
>
>
>
> Nobody is advocating anywhere near such a huge increase in the minimum wage.
As I see it, it is just another way to increase inflation. Inflation helps those that borrow and hurts those that save.
Dan
RogerN
Nov 11, 2013, 6:05:02 PM11/11/13
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Would it work to raise our minimum wage and everybody's wage one trillion
times? That way paying off our national debt would only cost the equivalent
of $17!
RogerN
news:687609f8-84bc-446f...@googlegroups.com...
times? That way paying off our national debt would only cost the equivalent
of $17!
RogerN
Richard
Nov 11, 2013, 6:28:48 PM11/11/13
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On 11/11/2013 12:56 PM, jon_banquer wrote:
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>>>> Shouldn't that be the employer's decision?
>>
>>>
>>
>>> No it shouldn't because many employers will try and pay their workers as little as possible like Walmart does and have the government pick up the tab. This is what American has become... huge subsidies for large multi-nationals like Walmart. Time for more American's to wake the fuck up and put an end to this bullshit. It's not liberals that are destroying America, it's big Wall Street banks and multi-national corporations like Walmart who control both Democrats and Republicans.
>>
>>
>> It sounds nice - but... not sound economics...
>
>
> Explain how failure to bust up big Wall Steet banks, who are too big to fail and too big to jail, is sound economics.
>
> Explain how allowing Walmart to be the major beneficiary of food stamps for its workers, who Walmart refuses to pay a fair wage to, is sound economics.
>
> We don't have sound economics in America. What we have is a fucking scam designed to fleece the middle class of as much as possible. George Carlin had it right when he said:
>
>
jon, I often think you reply this way - just to be argumentative.
>>
>>>> Shouldn't that be the employer's decision?
>>
>>>
>>
>>> No it shouldn't because many employers will try and pay their workers as little as possible like Walmart does and have the government pick up the tab. This is what American has become... huge subsidies for large multi-nationals like Walmart. Time for more American's to wake the fuck up and put an end to this bullshit. It's not liberals that are destroying America, it's big Wall Street banks and multi-national corporations like Walmart who control both Democrats and Republicans.
>>
>>
>> It sounds nice - but... not sound economics...
>
>
> Explain how failure to bust up big Wall Steet banks, who are too big to fail and too big to jail, is sound economics.
>
> Explain how allowing Walmart to be the major beneficiary of food stamps for its workers, who Walmart refuses to pay a fair wage to, is sound economics.
>
> We don't have sound economics in America. What we have is a fucking scam designed to fleece the middle class of as much as possible. George Carlin had it right when he said:
>
>
So, ok, be that way.
Gunner Asch
Nov 11, 2013, 6:37:15 PM11/11/13
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Miller Dialarc 250 stick
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/ShopDec282012#5827202938836541938
Miller 35 Mig
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/ShopDec282012#5827202839780310162
Miller 35 Mig with Prince XL feeder and gun for aluminum
Airco 300 Square Wave Tig (375 amp)
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/ShopDec282012#5827202975647183106
Now thats just the electrical "welders" that I keep in the shop.
I do have (2) O/A rigs, one set up for cutting, one set up for brazing
On the other hand...I do have a few others .....
Not counting the Miller 2050 plasma cutter....
1 Lincoln Ranger 9
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/ShopDec282012#5827203249304212210
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Ranger9
1 Lincoln Weldpack 100 (flux core only)
1 Lincoln Weldpack 100 with spool gun (aluminum..very small weld)
1 spare Airco 300 Squarewave tig
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/ShopDec282012#5827203342162815218
1 Airco 250 Square wave Tig
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Conex#5894732618424994786
1 Miller Thunderbolt AC/DC stick
1 Harbor freight Mig
1 Hobart 150 Mig (nope...traded that and a set of torches and bottles
for the Venture 24 last month. I think it was the Hobart...hummm..
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Venture24
1 Hobart Bro. 300 amp gasoline welder (Liberty Ship surplus from WW2)
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/1943HobartGasolineWelder
1 Dan Mig 200 mig
(shown in several of the above links)
All run fine and I use most of them for "loaners" or field welders if
I have to do some welding for a client. out and about somewhere.
Ive used the Airco 250 quite a bit, as well as the Miller Thunderbolt
(which gets borrowed a lot)
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/WeldingStuff
If Jonboi likes..I can have myself photographed standing beside each
of the unphotographed machines for verification..along with a placard
each discussing something interesting in Jons life...started out with
"Got Bail?" and "Westec..a fun place to go for the show!" etc etc
Afterall...Im just a nobody with nothing but junk...shrug
Which reminds me...since I put in the cargo container..Ive had to
change everything around outside..so will need to rephotograph
everything again....its all been moved around.
From the move...
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Conex#5894732759039926610
Oh..I forgot..the Airco PhaseArc 350 Mig. 3ph, 375 amps, its on
consignment in Costa Mesa. Takes 100 amps to run it...but it will do
spray transfer quite nicely.
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/StacksOStuff#5620202689871115746
And then of course Ive way..way..way too many torches, hoses, gauges
and dodads and accessories....shrug
And I swapped off the American spot welder about 6 months ago
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/StacksOStuff#5620202689871115746
Humm...Im still waiting for photos of his shop and his home. Odd..its
been what...6 months with periodic requests..and still nothing
Here is mine....
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602
So Jonniboi? Whats up wid dat?
They dont let you take photos at the shelter? Hummmm?
Gunner
Gunner Asch
Nov 11, 2013, 7:21:11 PM11/11/13
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On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:15:46 -0800 (PST), "dca...@krl.org"
<dca...@krl.org> wrote:
>On Monday, November 11, 2013 3:01:25 PM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote
>>
>> Silly goose...
>>
>>
>>
>> Nobody is advocating anywhere near such a huge increase in the minimum wage.
>
>Intended to be silly, thanks for the feedback. But if raising the minimum wage a little is good, why is raising it a lot bad?
Humidity in the air is good. Face first in the bathtub is bad.
<dca...@krl.org> wrote:
>On Monday, November 11, 2013 3:01:25 PM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote
>>
>> Silly goose...
>>
>>
>>
>> Nobody is advocating anywhere near such a huge increase in the minimum wage.
>
>Intended to be silly, thanks for the feedback. But if raising the minimum wage a little is good, why is raising it a lot bad?
>
>As I see it, it is just another way to increase inflation. Inflation helps those that borrow and hurts those that save.
>
> Dan
>As I see it, it is just another way to increase inflation. Inflation helps those that borrow and hurts those that save.
>
> Dan
jon_banquer
Nov 11, 2013, 7:28:13 PM11/11/13
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PrecisionmachinisT
Nov 11, 2013, 7:49:18 PM11/11/13
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<dca...@krl.org> wrote in message news:687609f8-84bc-446f...@googlegroups.com...
> On Monday, November 11, 2013 3:01:25 PM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote
>>
>> Silly goose...
>>
>>
>>
>> Nobody is advocating anywhere near such a huge increase in the minimum wage.
>
> Intended to be silly, thanks for the feedback. But if raising the minimum wage a little is good, why is raising it a lot bad?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_elasticity_of_demand#Arc_elasticity
>>
>> Silly goose...
>>
>>
>>
>> Nobody is advocating anywhere near such a huge increase in the minimum wage.
>
> Intended to be silly, thanks for the feedback. But if raising the minimum wage a little is good, why is raising it a lot bad?
> As I see it, it is just another way to increase inflation.
> Inflation helps those that borrow and hurts those that save.
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-Will Rogers in the St. Petersburg Times, Nov 26, 1932
David R. Birch
Nov 11, 2013, 8:28:32 PM11/11/13
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On 11/11/2013 5:05 PM, RogerN wrote:
> Would it work to raise our minimum wage and everybody's wage one trillion
> times? That way paying off our national debt would only cost the equivalent
> of $17!
That's how the Weimar Republic tried to pay it's debts after WWI. It
> Would it work to raise our minimum wage and everybody's wage one trillion
> times? That way paying off our national debt would only cost the equivalent
> of $17!
owed so many millions of marks that it devalued the mark to the point
that it was easy to pay the debts...but it destroyed the economy.
David
John B.
Nov 11, 2013, 9:25:50 PM11/11/13
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On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:05:02 -0600, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net>
wrote:
You don't think that you are the first one to think of that, do you?
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pyotr filipivich
Nov 11, 2013, 10:07:05 PM11/11/13
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Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:21:11 -0800
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
government set all wages?
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"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:15:46 -0800 (PST), "dca...@krl.org"
><dca...@krl.org> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, November 11, 2013 3:01:25 PM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote
>>>
>>> Silly goose...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nobody is advocating anywhere near such a huge increase in the minimum wage.
>>
>>Intended to be silly, thanks for the feedback. But if raising the minimum wage a little is good, why is raising it a lot bad?
>
>Humidity in the air is good. Face first in the bathtub is bad.
If having the Government set one wage is good, why not have the
><dca...@krl.org> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, November 11, 2013 3:01:25 PM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote
>>>
>>> Silly goose...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nobody is advocating anywhere near such a huge increase in the minimum wage.
>>
>>Intended to be silly, thanks for the feedback. But if raising the minimum wage a little is good, why is raising it a lot bad?
>
>Humidity in the air is good. Face first in the bathtub is bad.
government set all wages?
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"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."
PrecisionmachinisT
Nov 11, 2013, 11:22:41 PM11/11/13
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<dca...@krl.org> wrote in message
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Mostly curious, I've got a Hobart Handler 187 and an Esab Pulse-arc 400 amp
multi process; usually they just take up space.
Rudy Canoza
Nov 11, 2013, 11:57:29 PM11/11/13
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On 11/10/2013 1:15 PM, dca...@krl.org wrote:
someone's.
Wal-Mart doesn't receive "welfare."
> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 12:24:11 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
>> Raise the minimum wage
Don't see little jonny banqueer's posts directly so have to reply to
>> Raise the minimum wage
someone's.
Wal-Mart doesn't receive "welfare."
jon_banquer
Nov 12, 2013, 12:28:43 AM11/12/13
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On Monday, November 11, 2013 8:57:29 PM UTC-8, Rudy Canoza another sock puppet for The Pimple said:
<snip>
There is no doubt Walmart is America' Welfare Queen.
I have constantly whipped you and the rest of you worthless sock puppets within an inch or your lives. You had no choice to kill file me because I've beaten you up so badly.
Now shut the fuck up and get back on your knees where you belong, bitch.
<snip>
There is no doubt Walmart is America' Welfare Queen.
I have constantly whipped you and the rest of you worthless sock puppets within an inch or your lives. You had no choice to kill file me because I've beaten you up so badly.
Now shut the fuck up and get back on your knees where you belong, bitch.
Gunner Asch
Nov 12, 2013, 3:30:51 AM11/12/13
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dca...@krl.org
Nov 12, 2013, 9:13:59 AM11/12/13
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On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:28:43 AM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
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> I have constantly whipped you and the rest of you worthless sock puppets within an inch or your lives. You had no choice to kill file me because I've beaten you up so badly.
>
Funny but I have not felt anything. You might as well kill file me because your posts are lame and generally off topic. It is amusing to watch you struggle to make a stinging reply.
>
> I have constantly whipped you and the rest of you worthless sock puppets within an inch or your lives. You had no choice to kill file me because I've beaten you up so badly.
>
Dan
pyotr filipivich
Nov 12, 2013, 10:50:58 AM11/12/13
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Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Tue, 12 Nov 2013 00:30:51 -0800
saying it's back is cold, won't take but a little room and it can have
a warm back as well.
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 19:07:05 -0800, pyotr filipivich
><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:21:11 -0800
>>typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:15:46 -0800 (PST), "dca...@krl.org"
>>><dca...@krl.org> wrote:
>>>>On Monday, November 11, 2013 3:01:25 PM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote
>>>>> Silly goose...
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody is advocating anywhere near such a huge increase in the minimum wage.
>>>>
>>>>Intended to be silly, thanks for the feedback. But if raising the minimum wage a little is good, why is raising it a lot bad?
>>>
>>>Humidity in the air is good. Face first in the bathtub is bad.
>>
>> If having the Government set one wage is good, why not have the
>>government set all wages?
>>--
>>pyotr filipivich
>>"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."
>
>Now we are back to the "Face First in the Bathtub" thingy....
Yep. Say, you think you could scoot over a bit, the camel is
>On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 19:07:05 -0800, pyotr filipivich
><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:21:11 -0800
>>typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:15:46 -0800 (PST), "dca...@krl.org"
>>><dca...@krl.org> wrote:
>>>>On Monday, November 11, 2013 3:01:25 PM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote
>>>>> Silly goose...
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody is advocating anywhere near such a huge increase in the minimum wage.
>>>>
>>>>Intended to be silly, thanks for the feedback. But if raising the minimum wage a little is good, why is raising it a lot bad?
>>>
>>>Humidity in the air is good. Face first in the bathtub is bad.
>>
>> If having the Government set one wage is good, why not have the
>>government set all wages?
>>--
>>pyotr filipivich
>>"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."
>
>Now we are back to the "Face First in the Bathtub" thingy....
saying it's back is cold, won't take but a little room and it can have
a warm back as well.
Rudy Canoza
Nov 12, 2013, 10:59:10 AM11/12/13
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On 11/11/2013 2:15 PM, dca...@krl.org wrote:
> On Monday, November 11, 2013 3:01:25 PM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote
>>
>> Silly goose...
>>
>>
>>
>> Nobody is advocating anywhere near such a huge increase in the minimum wage.
>
> Intended to be silly, thanks for the feedback. But if raising the minimum wage a little is good, why is raising it a lot bad?
That's *exactly* right, Dan, and it goes right to the false premise
> On Monday, November 11, 2013 3:01:25 PM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote
>>
>> Silly goose...
>>
>>
>>
>> Nobody is advocating anywhere near such a huge increase in the minimum wage.
>
> Intended to be silly, thanks for the feedback. But if raising the minimum wage a little is good, why is raising it a lot bad?
behind the minimum wage at all. The advocates for it always say that
having a minimum wage above the market clearing price for labor has no
adverse impact on employment (as well as no adverse impact on anything
at all - they claim it to be an unalloyed plus for society.) But if
that's true, then why stop at such a niggardly amount? Decent lawyers -
not even the cream of the bar - often charge $300 an hour, and they live
quite well. Why not raise the minimum wage to $300 an hour so every
working person can have a 3000 square foot house in a nice gated
community with a couple of $75,000 cars in the garage and lobster and
USDA prime steak several times a week? I mean, if raising the minimum
wage has no adverse effect - and that's what all the leftists say - then
why not raise it so that everyone can be in the 1%?
PrecisionmachinisT
Nov 12, 2013, 12:03:49 PM11/12/13
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"Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote in message news:394ae$52824fe2$414e828e$14...@EVERESTKC.NET...
Rudy Canoza
Nov 12, 2013, 12:24:01 PM11/12/13
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jon_banquer
Nov 12, 2013, 12:50:16 PM11/12/13
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jon_banquer
Nov 12, 2013, 12:53:34 PM11/12/13
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When I do post on topic you're far to stupid to understand what I post. When you try you make a complete ass out of yourself.
jon_banquer
Nov 12, 2013, 12:56:54 PM11/12/13
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On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:59:10 AM UTC-8, Rudy Canoza sock puppet wrote:
> That's *exactly* right...
No it's not right.
> That's *exactly* right...
No it's not right.
PrecisionmachinisT
Nov 12, 2013, 2:16:21 PM11/12/13
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"jon_banquer" <jonba...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:aa7bb853-3544-4d66...@googlegroups.com...
Of the ten states listed above, all but two also happen to be among the ten having the lowest per-capita earnings rate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income
Rudy Canoza
Nov 12, 2013, 2:28:20 PM11/12/13
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> Georgia, Wyoming, Minnesota, Arkansas, and Delaware have the lowest miimum wages in the nation, except for Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Tennesee, which have no minimum wage at all.
>
> Of the ten states listed above, all but two also happen to be among the ten having the lowest per-capita earnings rate.
dca...@krl.org
Nov 12, 2013, 2:42:40 PM11/12/13
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On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:16:21 PM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
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>
> Georgia, Wyoming, Minnesota, Arkansas, and Delaware have the lowest miimum wages in the nation, except for Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Tennesee, which have no minimum wage at all.
>
>
>
> Of the ten states listed above, all but two also happen to be among the ten having the lowest per-capita earnings rate.
>
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States
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>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income
Another purpose of the minimum wage law is to increase the cost of labor. If the rich states can raise the federal minimum wage, then the low cost of living states are less competitive. This use to be more significant, but with container shipping lowering the cost of shipping, one needs to raise the minimum wage in China and India as well as the minimum wage in the low cost of living states. And that is not going to happen in my life time.
>
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> Georgia, Wyoming, Minnesota, Arkansas, and Delaware have the lowest miimum wages in the nation, except for Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Tennesee, which have no minimum wage at all.
>
>
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> Of the ten states listed above, all but two also happen to be among the ten having the lowest per-capita earnings rate.
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States
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>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income
Dan
PrecisionmachinisT
Nov 12, 2013, 2:48:35 PM11/12/13
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"Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote in message news:afbfc$528280e5$414e828e$31...@EVERESTKC.NET...
Rudy Canoza
Nov 12, 2013, 2:50:56 PM11/12/13
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reasons. First, it makes the higher skilled - and higher paid - labor
of union members relatively less expensive. If a union worker makes $21
per hour and unskilled workers make a minimum wage of $7 per hour, an
hour of skilled labor costs three times as much as an hour of unskilled
labor. If the price of unskilled labor now rises to $10.50 an hour, the
relative price of skilled labor drops from three times as much to only
two times as much. Relative prices are what matter, not absolute
prices. Firms will tend to hire more unionized skilled labor if the
price of unskilled labor rises.
The other reason is that many unions have contract clauses that mandate
automatic increases in the unionized labor rate if the minimum wage
rises. That somewhat, but far from entirely, mitigates the relative
price advantage - if the union workers get the same absolute increase as
the unskilled workers, then their wage rise to $24.50, which is more
than twice as expensive as $10.50 but certainly much less than $31.50,
which is what the union wage would have to be in order to maintain the
relative price ratio of 3:1. Thus, the unionized workers with those
contract clauses benefit *both* by an absolute wage increase, as well as
by increased demand for their labor.
The minimum wage is bad. It is always bad for government to mandate
minimum prices. The market should set prices.
Rudy Canoza
Nov 12, 2013, 3:07:06 PM11/12/13
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PrecisionmachinisT
Nov 12, 2013, 3:26:29 PM11/12/13
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"Rudy Canoza" <LaLaLa...@philhendrie.con> wrote in message news:ced00$52828a59$414e828e$18...@EVERESTKC.NET...
OOps...never mind...
<plonk>
Rudy Canoza
Nov 12, 2013, 3:53:29 PM11/12/13
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earnings will drop to zero. Are you really so fucking stupid you can't
see this? Are you so fucking stupid that you can't see that raising the
wage right of unskilled labor so that it is not profitable either to
hire or retain the workers makes them all worse off?
Of *course* you're that fucking stupid - you're a left-wing ideologue,
so you're that stupid by definition.
jim
Nov 12, 2013, 4:45:39 PM11/12/13
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Rudy Canoza wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Statistically sufficient.
> >>
> >> No. Meaningless.
> >>
> >
> > Are you really so fucking stupid as to believe that if a laborer's wages are increased, his earnings will drop?
>
> If the increase in the wage right is high enough that he's fired, his
> earnings will drop to zero.
The increased spending in turn supports more jobs.
> Are you really so fucking stupid you can't
a valid argument.
> see this? Are you so fucking stupid that you can't see that raising the
> wage right of unskilled labor so that it is not profitable either to
> hire or retain the workers makes them all worse off?
to $100 an hour.
>
> Of *course* you're that fucking stupid - you're a left-wing ideologue,
that you can't make a valid argument.
jim
Nov 12, 2013, 4:52:30 PM11/12/13
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"dca...@krl.org" wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:16:21 PM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
> >
> >
> > Georgia, Wyoming, Minnesota, Arkansas, and Delaware have the lowest miimum wages in the nation, except for Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Tennesee, which have no minimum wage at all.
> >
> >
> >
> > Of the ten states listed above, all but two also happen to be among the ten having the lowest per-capita earnings rate.
> >
> >
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States
> >
> >
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income
>
> Another purpose of the minimum wage law is to increase the cost
> of labor.
that is the lowest paid.
> If the rich states can raise the federal minimum wage,
> then the low cost of living states are less competitive.
don't have skills. And do you want to encourage that?
jon_banquer
Nov 12, 2013, 5:16:10 PM11/12/13
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On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:53:29 PM UTC-8, Rudy Canoza sock puppet wrote:
<Snip>
Yet another Pimple sock puppets loses and in doing so becomes unglued.
It's just about over for "Rudy Canoza".
<Snip>
Yet another Pimple sock puppets loses and in doing so becomes unglued.
It's just about over for "Rudy Canoza".
Rudy Canoza
Nov 12, 2013, 6:09:30 PM11/12/13
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On 11/12/2013 1:45 PM, jim lied:
they produce, they don't have any income to spend.
>> Are you really so fucking stupid you can't
effective minimum wage reduces employment.
>> Of *course* you're that fucking stupid - you're a left-wing ideologue,
No, there *YOU*.
>>>>> Statistically sufficient.
>>>>
>>>> No. Meaningless.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are you really so fucking stupid as to believe that if a laborer's
>>> wages are increased, his earnings will drop?
>>
>> If the increase in the wage right is high enough that he's fired, his
>> earnings will drop to zero.
>
> When workers earn more then they spend more.
When workers don't have jobs because the mandatory wage is more than
>>>>
>>>> No. Meaningless.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are you really so fucking stupid as to believe that if a laborer's
>>> wages are increased, his earnings will drop?
>>
>> If the increase in the wage right is high enough that he's fired, his
>> earnings will drop to zero.
>
> When workers earn more then they spend more.
they produce, they don't have any income to spend.
>> Are you really so fucking stupid you can't
>> see this? Are you so fucking stupid that you can't see that raising the
>> wage right of unskilled labor so that it is not profitable either to
>> hire or retain the workers makes them all worse off?
>
> That is a pretty good argument against raising it
> to $100 an hour.
It's a good argument against having a minimum wage at all. *Any*
>> wage right of unskilled labor so that it is not profitable either to
>> hire or retain the workers makes them all worse off?
>
> That is a pretty good argument against raising it
> to $100 an hour.
effective minimum wage reduces employment.
>> Of *course* you're that fucking stupid - you're a left-wing ideologue,
>> so you're that stupid by definition.
>
>
> there you
>
>
No, there *YOU*.
Rudy Canoza
Nov 12, 2013, 6:10:04 PM11/12/13
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On 11/12/2013 1:52 PM, jim lied:
>
>
> "dca...@krl.org" wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:16:21 PM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Georgia, Wyoming, Minnesota, Arkansas, and Delaware have the lowest miimum wages in the nation, except for Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Tennesee, which have no minimum wage at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Of the ten states listed above, all but two also happen to be among the ten having the lowest per-capita earnings rate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income
>>
>> Another purpose of the minimum wage law is to increase the cost
>> of labor.
>
> That's obvious but only for part of the job market
> that is the lowest paid.
Increasing the cost of anything by government dictate is bad.
>
> "dca...@krl.org" wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:16:21 PM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Georgia, Wyoming, Minnesota, Arkansas, and Delaware have the lowest miimum wages in the nation, except for Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Tennesee, which have no minimum wage at all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Of the ten states listed above, all but two also happen to be among the ten having the lowest per-capita earnings rate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income
>>
>> Another purpose of the minimum wage law is to increase the cost
>> of labor.
>
> That's obvious but only for part of the job market
> that is the lowest paid.
dca...@krl.org
Nov 12, 2013, 6:22:40 PM11/12/13
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On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:52:30 PM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>
> That's obvious but only for part of the job market
>
> that is the lowest paid.
>
>
Do you really think that raising the minimum wage only affects the lowest paid.
>
> That's obvious but only for part of the job market
>
> that is the lowest paid.
>
>
Say a ditch digger gets 7$ an hour and a back hoe operator gets $21 an hour, but does three times as much ditch digging per hour as the unskilled ditch digger. Then if you raise the minimum wage to $10 an hour, either the unskilled ditch digger does not get any jobs or the back hoe operator gets $30 an hour.
Dan
>
>
>
> > If the rich states can raise the federal minimum wage,
>
> > then the low cost of living states are less competitive.
>
>
>
> What? If they are less competitive it is because they
>
> don't have skills. And do you want to encourage that?
Dan
jim
Nov 12, 2013, 7:42:19 PM11/12/13
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"dca...@krl.org" wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:52:30 PM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>
> >
> > That's obvious but only for part of the job market
> >
> > that is the lowest paid.
> >
> >
> Do you really think that raising the minimum wage only affects the lowest paid.
>
> Say a ditch digger gets 7$ an hour and a back hoe operator
> gets $21 an hour, but does three times as much ditch digging
> per hour as the unskilled ditch digger. Then if you raise the
> minimum wage to $10 an hour, either the unskilled ditch digger
> does not get any jobs or the back hoe operator gets $30 an hour.
ditch digging by hand is where back hoes can't operate.
And that applies to almost all other jobs affected by
minimum wage. You aren't going to replace minimum wage
hamburger flippers with $20/hour hamburger flippers because
the minimum wage went up.
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > > If the rich states can raise the federal minimum wage,
> >
> > > then the low cost of living states are less competitive.
> >
> >
> >
> > What? If they are less competitive it is because they
> >
> > don't have skills. And do you want to encourage that?
>
> Wrong. The low cost of living states have lower labor costs
> which attracts companies to move their factories to the low
> cost of living states. If you mandate the cost of labor to be
> higher, then the low cost of living states are less competitive
> in attracting companies factories.
And there aren't many minimum wage factory jobs so once again
this is a hypothetical contrivance that isn't found in
the real world.
Rudy Canoza
Nov 12, 2013, 8:53:04 PM11/12/13
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On 11/12/2013 4:42 PM, jim lied:
Rigidly dogmatic ideologues like you have no clue about the real world,
and intelligent and thoughtful people do not take lectures from you
about the real world.
>
>
> "dca...@krl.org" wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:52:30 PM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That's obvious but only for part of the job market
>>>
>>> that is the lowest paid.
>>>
>>>
>> Do you really think that raising the minimum wage only affects the lowest paid.
>>
>> Say a ditch digger gets 7$ an hour and a back hoe operator
>> gets $21 an hour, but does three times as much ditch digging
>> per hour as the unskilled ditch digger. Then if you raise the
>> minimum wage to $10 an hour, either the unskilled ditch digger
>> does not get any jobs or the back hoe operator gets $30 an hour.
>
> None of that would happen in the real world.
That's exactly what happens in the real world.
>
> "dca...@krl.org" wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:52:30 PM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That's obvious but only for part of the job market
>>>
>>> that is the lowest paid.
>>>
>>>
>> Do you really think that raising the minimum wage only affects the lowest paid.
>>
>> Say a ditch digger gets 7$ an hour and a back hoe operator
>> gets $21 an hour, but does three times as much ditch digging
>> per hour as the unskilled ditch digger. Then if you raise the
>> minimum wage to $10 an hour, either the unskilled ditch digger
>> does not get any jobs or the back hoe operator gets $30 an hour.
>
> None of that would happen in the real world.
Rigidly dogmatic ideologues like you have no clue about the real world,
and intelligent and thoughtful people do not take lectures from you
about the real world.
John B.
Nov 13, 2013, 7:27:46 AM11/13/13
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pick-up, clean and sweep lose their jobs.
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Cheers,
John B.
dca...@krl.org
Nov 13, 2013, 7:40:03 AM11/13/13
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On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:42:19 PM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>
> None of that would happen in the real world. You aren't going to replace minimum wage
Punch in what you want and slide your credit card through the slot. Much like self service at the gas station.
Raising the minimum wage reduces the number of minimum wage jobs.
>
>
>
t
Dan
>
> None of that would happen in the real world. You aren't going to replace minimum wage
>
> hamburger flippers with $20/hour hamburger flippers because
>
> the minimum wage went up.
>
>
No, you are going to reduce the number of minimum wage employees by buying hamburger meat that is already made into patties. The next thing I see coming is self serve ordering. Similar to the self service checkout at grocery stores.
> hamburger flippers with $20/hour hamburger flippers because
>
> the minimum wage went up.
>
>
Punch in what you want and slide your credit card through the slot. Much like self service at the gas station.
Raising the minimum wage reduces the number of minimum wage jobs.
>
>
>
t
> They are less competitive only because they have less skills.
>
> And there aren't many minimum wage factory jobs so once again
>
> this is a hypothetical contrivance that isn't found in
>
> the real world.
You have no clue. The minimum wage jobs in factories have gone because it is cheaper to automate and use robots than to use minimum wage earners.
>
> And there aren't many minimum wage factory jobs so once again
>
> this is a hypothetical contrivance that isn't found in
>
> the real world.
Dan
jim
Nov 13, 2013, 8:04:30 AM11/13/13
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"dca...@krl.org" wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:42:19 PM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>
>
> >
> > None of that would happen in the real world. You aren't going to replace minimum wage
> >
> > hamburger flippers with $20/hour hamburger flippers because
> >
> > the minimum wage went up.
> >
> >
> No, you are going to reduce the number of minimum
> wage employees by buying hamburger meat that is already
> made into patties.
already made into patties is where they pay the chef well.
If minimum wage was correlated with higher unemployment you
would expect to see the places that have higher minimum
wage would have higher unemployment also. But instead
you find lots of places like Japan, Canada, Australia that
have higher minimum wage and lower unemployment.
Rudy Canoza
Nov 13, 2013, 10:14:37 AM11/13/13
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On 11/13/2013 4:40 AM, dca...@krl.org wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:42:19 PM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>
>
>>
>> None of that would happen in the real world. You aren't going to replace minimum wage
>>
>> hamburger flippers with $20/hour hamburger flippers because
>>
>> the minimum wage went up.
>>
>>
> No, you are going to reduce the number of minimum wage employees by buying hamburger meat that is already made into patties. The next thing I see coming is self serve ordering. Similar to the self service checkout at grocery stores.
> Punch in what you want and slide your credit card through the slot. Much like self service at the gas station.
>
> Raising the minimum wage reduces the number of minimum wage jobs.
That's exactly right.
> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:42:19 PM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>
>
>>
>> None of that would happen in the real world. You aren't going to replace minimum wage
>>
>> hamburger flippers with $20/hour hamburger flippers because
>>
>> the minimum wage went up.
>>
>>
> No, you are going to reduce the number of minimum wage employees by buying hamburger meat that is already made into patties. The next thing I see coming is self serve ordering. Similar to the self service checkout at grocery stores.
> Punch in what you want and slide your credit card through the slot. Much like self service at the gas station.
>
> Raising the minimum wage reduces the number of minimum wage jobs.
> t
>> They are less competitive only because they have less skills.
>>
>> And there aren't many minimum wage factory jobs so once again
>>
>> this is a hypothetical contrivance that isn't found in
>>
>> the real world.
>
> You have no clue. The minimum wage jobs in factories have gone because it is cheaper to automate and use robots than to use minimum wage earners.
The minimum wage, if it is effective, destroys jobs. I add that
condition because if the legal minimum wage is below the market-clearing
price of labor, it has no effect. It's only when it rises to a level
above what employers will pay in the market that it begins to destroy jobs.
Not everyone covered by the minimum wage will lose his job, but some
will, and far fewer new entrants to the work force will be hired at that
wage. The min wage kills jobs - not in serious dispute.
Rudy Canoza
Nov 13, 2013, 10:15:28 AM11/13/13
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On 11/13/2013 5:04 AM, jim lied:
> If minimum wage was correlated with higher unemployment
It's not just higher unemployment; it is reduced employment in the first
place.
>
>
> "dca...@krl.org" wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:42:19 PM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> None of that would happen in the real world. You aren't going to replace minimum wage
>>>
>>> hamburger flippers with $20/hour hamburger flippers because
>>>
>>> the minimum wage went up.
>>>
>>>
>> No, you are going to reduce the number of minimum
>> wage employees by buying hamburger meat that is already
>> made into patties.
>
> Get real.
You try it, for a change.
>
> "dca...@krl.org" wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:42:19 PM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> None of that would happen in the real world. You aren't going to replace minimum wage
>>>
>>> hamburger flippers with $20/hour hamburger flippers because
>>>
>>> the minimum wage went up.
>>>
>>>
>> No, you are going to reduce the number of minimum
>> wage employees by buying hamburger meat that is already
>> made into patties.
>
> Get real.
> If minimum wage was correlated with higher unemployment
place.
jim
Nov 13, 2013, 10:52:25 AM11/13/13
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Rudy Canoza wrote:
> > If minimum wage was correlated with higher unemployment
>
> It's not just higher unemployment; it is reduced employment in the first
> place.
Rudy Canoza
Nov 13, 2013, 10:55:06 AM11/13/13
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On 11/13/2013 7:52 AM, jim lied:
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 11/13/2013 5:04 AM, jim lied:
>>>
>>>
>>> "dca...@krl.org" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:42:19 PM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> None of that would happen in the real world. You aren't going to
>>>>> replace minimum wage
>>>>>
>>>>> hamburger flippers with $20/hour hamburger flippers because
>>>>>
>>>>> the minimum wage went up.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> No, you are going to reduce the number of minimum
>>>> wage employees by buying hamburger meat that is already
>>>> made into patties.
>>>
>>> Get real.
>>
>> You try it, for a change.
>>
>>
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 11/13/2013 5:04 AM, jim lied:
>>>
>>>
>>> "dca...@krl.org" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:42:19 PM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> None of that would happen in the real world. You aren't going to
>>>>> replace minimum wage
>>>>>
>>>>> hamburger flippers with $20/hour hamburger flippers because
>>>>>
>>>>> the minimum wage went up.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> No, you are going to reduce the number of minimum
>>>> wage employees by buying hamburger meat that is already
>>>> made into patties.
>>>
>>> Get real.
>>
>> You try it, for a change.
>>
>>
>>> If minimum wage was correlated with higher unemployment
>>
>> It's not just higher unemployment; it is reduced employment in the first
>> place.
>
> Nice gobbledeegook
Not at all. If you knew any economics at all, you'd know I'm right.
>>
>> It's not just higher unemployment; it is reduced employment in the first
>> place.
>
> Nice gobbledeegook
jim
Nov 13, 2013, 10:57:01 AM11/13/13
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Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
> On 11/13/2013 4:40 AM, dca...@krl.org wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:42:19 PM UTC-5, jim wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> None of that would happen in the real world. You aren't going to replace minimum wage
> >>
> >> hamburger flippers with $20/hour hamburger flippers because
> >>
> >> the minimum wage went up.
> >>
> >>
> > No, you are going to reduce the number of minimum wage employees by buying hamburger meat that is already made into patties. The next thing I see coming is self serve ordering. Similar to the self service checkout at grocery stores.
> > Punch in what you want and slide your credit card through the slot. Much like self service at the gas station.
> >
> > Raising the minimum wage reduces the number of minimum wage jobs.
>
> That's exactly right.
Lowering the minimum wage reduces minimum wage jobs.
This can be demonstrated by lowering the minimum wage to
zero and then there are no minimum wage jobs.
Gunner Asch
Nov 13, 2013, 1:33:35 PM11/13/13
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On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 04:40:03 -0800 (PST), "dca...@krl.org"
<dca...@krl.org> wrote:
>On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:42:19 PM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>
>
>>
>> None of that would happen in the real world. You aren't going to replace minimum wage
>>
>> hamburger flippers with $20/hour hamburger flippers because
>>
>> the minimum wage went up.
>>
>>
>No, you are going to reduce the number of minimum wage employees by buying hamburger meat that is already made into patties. The next thing I see coming is self serve ordering. Similar to the self service checkout at grocery stores.
>Punch in what you want and slide your credit card through the slot. Much like self service at the gas station.
>
>Raising the minimum wage reduces the number of minimum wage jobs.
When one buys premade patties and precut onions and precut tomato
<dca...@krl.org> wrote:
>On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:42:19 PM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>
>
>>
>> None of that would happen in the real world. You aren't going to replace minimum wage
>>
>> hamburger flippers with $20/hour hamburger flippers because
>>
>> the minimum wage went up.
>>
>>
>No, you are going to reduce the number of minimum wage employees by buying hamburger meat that is already made into patties. The next thing I see coming is self serve ordering. Similar to the self service checkout at grocery stores.
>Punch in what you want and slide your credit card through the slot. Much like self service at the gas station.
>
>Raising the minimum wage reduces the number of minimum wage jobs.
slices..its not hard to have a machine heat up the meat and then
assemble the burger..without any employees at all.
Raise the minimum wage past a certain point..and suddenly it becomes
very cost effective to remove all the employees and replace them with
automatic equipment. When it is paid off in 6 months...everything else
goes into the owners pocket...no employees whatsoever to make a buck
off the food.
>>
>>
>>
>t
>> They are less competitive only because they have less skills.
>>
>> And there aren't many minimum wage factory jobs so once again
>>
>> this is a hypothetical contrivance that isn't found in
>>
>> the real world.
>
>You have no clue. The minimum wage jobs in factories have gone because it is cheaper to automate and use robots than to use minimum wage earners.
>
> Dan
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Nov 13, 2013, 2:02:27 PM11/13/13
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On 11/13/2013 7:57 AM, jim lied:
>>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:42:19 PM UTC-5, jim lied:
> Lowering the minimum wage reduces minimum wage jobs.
If you had evidence of that, you'd post it. You don't, of course,
because it's false. When the price of a normal good or service falls,
more of it is consumed, not less.
You always get caught when you lie, which is every time.
>>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:42:19 PM UTC-5, jim lied:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> None of that would happen in the real world. You aren't going to replace minimum wage
>>>>
>>>> hamburger flippers with $20/hour hamburger flippers because
>>>>
>>>> the minimum wage went up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> No, you are going to reduce the number of minimum wage employees by buying hamburger meat that is already made into patties. The next thing I see coming is self serve ordering. Similar to the self service checkout at grocery stores.
>>> Punch in what you want and slide your credit card through the slot. Much like self service at the gas station.
>>>
>>> Raising the minimum wage reduces the number of minimum wage jobs.
>>
>> That's exactly right.
>
> If it were exactly right you would have evidence.
I have, and I've posted it, and you've seen it.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> None of that would happen in the real world. You aren't going to replace minimum wage
>>>>
>>>> hamburger flippers with $20/hour hamburger flippers because
>>>>
>>>> the minimum wage went up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> No, you are going to reduce the number of minimum wage employees by buying hamburger meat that is already made into patties. The next thing I see coming is self serve ordering. Similar to the self service checkout at grocery stores.
>>> Punch in what you want and slide your credit card through the slot. Much like self service at the gas station.
>>>
>>> Raising the minimum wage reduces the number of minimum wage jobs.
>>
>> That's exactly right.
>
> If it were exactly right you would have evidence.
> Lowering the minimum wage reduces minimum wage jobs.
because it's false. When the price of a normal good or service falls,
more of it is consumed, not less.
You always get caught when you lie, which is every time.
pyotr filipivich
Nov 13, 2013, 2:51:06 PM11/13/13
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Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Wed, 13 Nov 2013 10:33:35 -0800
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
is no self serve. One unmentioned reason for the ban is the way hit
keeps unemployment down. You can always get a job pumping gas, even
if this days it means you have to have the customer swipe the card
through the pump's car reader. "Eh, its a job."
>>Raising the minimum wage reduces the number of minimum wage jobs.
>
>When one buys premade patties and precut onions and precut tomato
>slices..its not hard to have a machine heat up the meat and then
>assemble the burger..without any employees at all.
Buying pre-cut, that is so 20th century
<http://www.gizmag.com/hamburger-machine/25159/>
key quote:
"This self-contained, automatic device sees raw ingredients go in one
end and the completed custom-made burgers come out the other at the
rate of up to 400 per hour. The machine stamps out the patties, uses
what the company says are "gourmet cooking techniques never before
used in a fast food restaurant,” applies the toppings (which are cut
only after ordering to ensure freshness), and even bags the burgers."
Note well: "stamps out patties" and "toppings are cut only after
ordering to ensure freshness"
add in a touch screen ordering kiosk, and all you need is someone to
come by and refill the machine. Add Smart phone app, and you can have
the hamburgers waiting for you when you get there, paid for and
everything. (There is already a "Barista in a box" coffee machine
doing this.)
>>You have no clue. The minimum wage jobs in factories have gone because it is cheaper to automate and use robots than to use minimum wage earners.
>>
>> Dan
>Or to send it to China where they earn $5 a week
Can't send out the floor cleaning job.
And, some of those companies hired "button pushers" - the "Expert
Machinist" is in the computer program which runs the mill, all they
need is someone to load and unload the pallet.
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 04:40:03 -0800 (PST), "dca...@krl.org"
><dca...@krl.org> wrote:
>>On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:42:19 PM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>>> None of that would happen in the real world. You aren't going to replace minimum wage
>>> hamburger flippers with $20/hour hamburger flippers because
>>> the minimum wage went up.
>>>
>>No, you are going to reduce the number of minimum wage employees by buying hamburger
>>meat that is already made into patties. The next thing I see coming is self serve ordering.
>>Similar to the self service checkout at grocery stores.
>>Punch in what you want and slide your credit card through the slot. Much like self service at the gas station.
Ayup. I don't know if New Jersey still does, but in Oregon, there
><dca...@krl.org> wrote:
>>On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:42:19 PM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>>> None of that would happen in the real world. You aren't going to replace minimum wage
>>> hamburger flippers with $20/hour hamburger flippers because
>>> the minimum wage went up.
>>>
>>No, you are going to reduce the number of minimum wage employees by buying hamburger
>>meat that is already made into patties. The next thing I see coming is self serve ordering.
>>Similar to the self service checkout at grocery stores.
>>Punch in what you want and slide your credit card through the slot. Much like self service at the gas station.
is no self serve. One unmentioned reason for the ban is the way hit
keeps unemployment down. You can always get a job pumping gas, even
if this days it means you have to have the customer swipe the card
through the pump's car reader. "Eh, its a job."
>>Raising the minimum wage reduces the number of minimum wage jobs.
>
>When one buys premade patties and precut onions and precut tomato
>slices..its not hard to have a machine heat up the meat and then
>assemble the burger..without any employees at all.
<http://www.gizmag.com/hamburger-machine/25159/>
key quote:
"This self-contained, automatic device sees raw ingredients go in one
end and the completed custom-made burgers come out the other at the
rate of up to 400 per hour. The machine stamps out the patties, uses
what the company says are "gourmet cooking techniques never before
used in a fast food restaurant,” applies the toppings (which are cut
only after ordering to ensure freshness), and even bags the burgers."
Note well: "stamps out patties" and "toppings are cut only after
ordering to ensure freshness"
add in a touch screen ordering kiosk, and all you need is someone to
come by and refill the machine. Add Smart phone app, and you can have
the hamburgers waiting for you when you get there, paid for and
everything. (There is already a "Barista in a box" coffee machine
doing this.)
>>You have no clue. The minimum wage jobs in factories have gone because it is cheaper to automate and use robots than to use minimum wage earners.
>>
>> Dan
>Or to send it to China where they earn $5 a week
And, some of those companies hired "button pushers" - the "Expert
Machinist" is in the computer program which runs the mill, all they
need is someone to load and unload the pallet.
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."
dca...@krl.org
Nov 13, 2013, 4:23:53 PM11/13/13
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On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:04:30 AM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>
> Get real. The only kitchens where hamburgers aren't
>
> already made into patties is where they pay the chef well.
>
>
>
> If minimum wage was correlated with higher unemployment you
>
> would expect to see the places that have higher minimum
>
> wage would have higher unemployment also. But instead
>
> you find lots of places like Japan, Canada, Australia that
>
> have higher minimum wage and lower unemployment.
Somehow I do not think you ever took economics in college.
>
> Get real. The only kitchens where hamburgers aren't
>
> already made into patties is where they pay the chef well.
>
>
>
> If minimum wage was correlated with higher unemployment you
>
> would expect to see the places that have higher minimum
>
> wage would have higher unemployment also. But instead
>
> you find lots of places like Japan, Canada, Australia that
>
> have higher minimum wage and lower unemployment.
Dan
jim
Nov 13, 2013, 5:08:03 PM11/13/13
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Rudy Canoza wrote:
> >
> > If it were exactly right you would have evidence.
>
> I have, and I've posted it, and you've seen it.
>
> > Lowering the minimum wage reduces minimum wage jobs.
>
> If you had evidence of that, you'd post it.
would be close to zero minimum wage jobs because no one will
work for 10 cents an hour.
jim
Nov 13, 2013, 5:17:48 PM11/13/13
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have higher minimum wage and yet have lower unemployment rates?
jim
Nov 13, 2013, 5:19:25 PM11/13/13
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Gunner Asch wrote:
> Raise the minimum wage past a certain point..and suddenly it becomes
> very cost effective to remove all the employees and replace them with
> automatic equipment.
wage is more than double the US minimum wage?
jon_banquer
Nov 13, 2013, 5:41:39 PM11/13/13
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Rudy Canoza
Nov 13, 2013, 5:41:27 PM11/13/13
to
On 11/13/2013 2:08 PM, jim lied:
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 11/13/2013 7:57 AM, jim lied:
>>>
>>>
>>> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 11/13/2013 4:40 AM, dca...@krl.org wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:42:19 PM UTC-5, jim lied:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> None of that would happen in the real world. You aren't going to
>>>>>> replace minimum wage
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hamburger flippers with $20/hour hamburger flippers because
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the minimum wage went up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> No, you are going to reduce the number of minimum wage employees by
>>>>> buying hamburger meat that is already made into patties. The next
>>>>> thing I see coming is self serve ordering. Similar to the self
>>>>> service checkout at grocery stores.
>>>>> Punch in what you want and slide your credit card through the slot.
>>>>> Much like self service at the gas station.
>>>>>
>>>>> Raising the minimum wage reduces the number of minimum wage jobs.
>>>>
>>>> That's exactly right.
>>>
>>
>>> Lowering the minimum wage reduces minimum wage jobs.
>>
>> If you had evidence of that, you'd post it.
>
> If you lowered the minimum wage to 10 cents an hour there
> would be close to zero minimum wage jobs because no one will
> work for 10 cents an hour.
No one would be paid 10 cents an hour - that's below the market-clearing
price for labor. Lowering the minimum wage to 10 cents an hour is
pretty close to eliminating it altogether. No one who wanted to work
would be out of a job because his wage was higher than his (presumably
positive) worth to employers - he'd be out of a job because he can't do
anything useful.
Right now, the legal minimum wage is over $7 an hour. If you lowered it
to $4 an hour, or eliminated it altogether, many people without jobs
would find employment.
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 11/13/2013 7:57 AM, jim lied:
>>>
>>>
>>> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 11/13/2013 4:40 AM, dca...@krl.org wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:42:19 PM UTC-5, jim lied:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> None of that would happen in the real world. You aren't going to
>>>>>> replace minimum wage
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hamburger flippers with $20/hour hamburger flippers because
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the minimum wage went up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> No, you are going to reduce the number of minimum wage employees by
>>>>> buying hamburger meat that is already made into patties. The next
>>>>> thing I see coming is self serve ordering. Similar to the self
>>>>> service checkout at grocery stores.
>>>>> Punch in what you want and slide your credit card through the slot.
>>>>> Much like self service at the gas station.
>>>>>
>>>>> Raising the minimum wage reduces the number of minimum wage jobs.
>>>>
>>>> That's exactly right.
>>>
>>> If it were exactly right you would have evidence.
>>
>> I have, and I've posted it, and you've seen it.
>
> Ha HA HA your mythical evidence
Go back and dig it out, boy.
>>
>> I have, and I've posted it, and you've seen it.
>
> Ha HA HA your mythical evidence
>>
>>> Lowering the minimum wage reduces minimum wage jobs.
>>
>> If you had evidence of that, you'd post it.
>
> If you lowered the minimum wage to 10 cents an hour there
> would be close to zero minimum wage jobs because no one will
> work for 10 cents an hour.
price for labor. Lowering the minimum wage to 10 cents an hour is
pretty close to eliminating it altogether. No one who wanted to work
would be out of a job because his wage was higher than his (presumably
positive) worth to employers - he'd be out of a job because he can't do
anything useful.
Right now, the legal minimum wage is over $7 an hour. If you lowered it
to $4 an hour, or eliminated it altogether, many people without jobs
would find employment.
Rudy Canoza
Nov 13, 2013, 5:43:51 PM11/13/13
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On 11/13/2013 2:17 PM, jim lied:
economics at all? You haven't, of course. It would be refreshing for
you to admit it.
>
>
> "dca...@krl.org" wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:04:30 AM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Get real. The only kitchens where hamburgers aren't
>>>
>>> already made into patties is where they pay the chef well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If minimum wage was correlated with higher unemployment you
>>>
>>> would expect to see the places that have higher minimum
>>>
>>> wage would have higher unemployment also. But instead
>>>
>>> you find lots of places like Japan, Canada, Australia that
>>>
>>> have higher minimum wage and lower unemployment.
>>
>> Somehow I do not think you ever took economics in college.
>>
>
> Aren't you going to
Are you going to admit, finally, that you have never studied any
>
> "dca...@krl.org" wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:04:30 AM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Get real. The only kitchens where hamburgers aren't
>>>
>>> already made into patties is where they pay the chef well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If minimum wage was correlated with higher unemployment you
>>>
>>> would expect to see the places that have higher minimum
>>>
>>> wage would have higher unemployment also. But instead
>>>
>>> you find lots of places like Japan, Canada, Australia that
>>>
>>> have higher minimum wage and lower unemployment.
>>
>> Somehow I do not think you ever took economics in college.
>>
>
> Aren't you going to
economics at all? You haven't, of course. It would be refreshing for
you to admit it.
Rudy Canoza
Nov 13, 2013, 5:49:51 PM11/13/13
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On 11/13/2013 2:19 PM, jim lied:
For junior employees, the minimum rates are:
Under 16 years of age $5.87
At 16 years of age $7.55
At 17 years of age $9.22
At 18 years of age $10.90
At 19 years of age $13.17
At 20 years of age $15.59.
http://cafehayek.com/2013/03/australias-minimum-wage.html
The minimum wage in Australia isn't what you claim.
Once again, we see that you lied. Oh, wait - you *always* lie.
>
>
> Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>> Raise the minimum wage past a certain point..and suddenly it becomes
>> very cost effective to remove all the employees and replace them with
>> automatic equipment.
>
> Is that what they do in Australia where
Australian wage rates:
>
> Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>> Raise the minimum wage past a certain point..and suddenly it becomes
>> very cost effective to remove all the employees and replace them with
>> automatic equipment.
>
> Is that what they do in Australia where
For junior employees, the minimum rates are:
Under 16 years of age $5.87
At 16 years of age $7.55
At 17 years of age $9.22
At 18 years of age $10.90
At 19 years of age $13.17
At 20 years of age $15.59.
http://cafehayek.com/2013/03/australias-minimum-wage.html
The minimum wage in Australia isn't what you claim.
Once again, we see that you lied. Oh, wait - you *always* lie.
jim
Nov 13, 2013, 6:19:31 PM11/13/13
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Lowering the minimum wage reduces the number at minimum wage.
> Right now, the legal minimum wage is over $7 an hour. If you lowered it
> to $4 an hour, or eliminated it altogether, many people without jobs
> would find employment.
if you eliminated it altogether, there would be
no one at minimum wage.
jim
Nov 13, 2013, 6:39:14 PM11/13/13
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Rudy Canoza wrote:
>
> On 11/13/2013 2:19 PM, jim lied:
> >
> >
> > Gunner Asch wrote:
> >
> >> Raise the minimum wage past a certain point..and suddenly it becomes
> >> very cost effective to remove all the employees and replace them with
> >> automatic equipment.
> >
> > Is that what they do in Australia where
>
> Australian wage rates:
> At 20 years of age $15.59.
Australia at more than double the US minimum wage also
has a lower unemployment rate. Kind of shoots
big hole in your story that high minimum wage will
put people out of work.
Rudy Canoza
Nov 13, 2013, 6:54:43 PM11/13/13
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On 11/13/2013 3:19 PM, jim lied:
But the people currently earning minimum wage, and many people currently
unemployed because they aren't worth the minimum wage, all would have jobs.
Lowering the minimum wage increases employment.
unemployed because they aren't worth the minimum wage, all would have jobs.
Lowering the minimum wage increases employment.
Rudy Canoza
Nov 13, 2013, 6:56:07 PM11/13/13
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On 11/13/2013 3:39 PM, jim lied:
Australian wage rates:
For junior employees, the minimum rates are:
Under 16 years of age $5.87
At 16 years of age $7.55
At 17 years of age $9.22
At 18 years of age $10.90
At 19 years of age $13.17
>
>
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>
>> On 11/13/2013 2:19 PM, jim lied:
>>>
>>>
>>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>>> Raise the minimum wage past a certain point..and suddenly it becomes
>>>> very cost effective to remove all the employees and replace them with
>>>> automatic equipment.
>>>
>>> Is that what they do in Australia where
>>
>> Australian wage rates:
>>
>
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>
>> On 11/13/2013 2:19 PM, jim lied:
>>>
>>>
>>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>>> Raise the minimum wage past a certain point..and suddenly it becomes
>>>> very cost effective to remove all the employees and replace them with
>>>> automatic equipment.
>>>
>>> Is that what they do in Australia where
>>
>> Australian wage rates:
>>
>> For junior employees, the minimum rates are:
>> Under 16 years of age $5.87
>> At 16 years of age $7.55
>> At 17 years of age $9.22
>> At 18 years of age $10.90
>> At 19 years of age $13.17
>> Under 16 years of age $5.87
>> At 16 years of age $7.55
>> At 17 years of age $9.22
>> At 18 years of age $10.90
>> At 19 years of age $13.17
>> At 20 years of age $15.59.
>>
>>
>> http://cafehayek.com/2013/03/australias-minimum-wage.html
>>
>> The minimum wage in Australia isn't what you claim.
>>
>> Once again, we see that you lied. Oh, wait - you *always* lie.
>
>>
>> The minimum wage in Australia isn't what you claim.
>>
>> Once again, we see that you lied. Oh, wait - you *always* lie.
>
> Australia at more than double the US minimum wage
Sorry:
Australian wage rates:
For junior employees, the minimum rates are:
Under 16 years of age $5.87
At 16 years of age $7.55
At 17 years of age $9.22
At 18 years of age $10.90
At 19 years of age $13.17
At 20 years of age $15.59.
jon_banquer
Nov 13, 2013, 7:15:39 PM11/13/13
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On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:54:43 PM UTC-8, Rudy Canoza sock puppet wrote:
> Lowering the minimum wage increases employment.
At what cost?
> Lowering the minimum wage increases employment.
John B.
Nov 13, 2013, 8:52:36 PM11/13/13
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lived in riverside that the city stopped the summer employment of high
school and collage kids due to "higher minimum wage regulations".
--
Cheers,
John B.
Tom Gardner
Nov 13, 2013, 9:05:37 PM11/13/13
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On 11/11/2013 6:37 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:56:20 -0800 (PST), "dca...@krl.org"
> <dca...@krl.org> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, November 11, 2013 3:19:28 PM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>>
>>> Why would anyone in his right mind want FIVE welders in his fucking garage?
>>
>> Four would really be enougb. One is an oxy acet welder. Sometimes that is the best tool for the job. One is an old AC stick welder, which takes the least time to set and use for many jobs. One is a Tig welder which is the ticket for aluminium and nice looking stainless welds. One is a Mig which is kind of like a metal glue gun. Another one is an AC/DC stick welder, which I bought fairly recently because the price was too good to pass up. And sometimes DC stick is good. I could do without one of the stick welders.
>>
>> Or is your point that they should be in a proper shop, not in the garage.
>>
>> Dan
>
> I have a few in my shop
>
> Miller Dialarc 250 stick
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/ShopDec282012#5827202938836541938
>
> Miller 35 Mig
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/ShopDec282012#5827202839780310162
>
> Miller 35 Mig with Prince XL feeder and gun for aluminum
> Airco 300 Square Wave Tig (375 amp)
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/ShopDec282012#5827202975647183106
>
> Now thats just the electrical "welders" that I keep in the shop.
>
> I do have (2) O/A rigs, one set up for cutting, one set up for brazing
>
> On the other hand...I do have a few others .....
> Not counting the Miller 2050 plasma cutter....
>
> 1 Lincoln Ranger 9
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/ShopDec282012#5827203249304212210
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Ranger9
>
> 1 Lincoln Weldpack 100 (flux core only)
> 1 Lincoln Weldpack 100 with spool gun (aluminum..very small weld)
> 1 spare Airco 300 Squarewave tig
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/ShopDec282012#5827203342162815218
>
> 1 Airco 250 Square wave Tig
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Conex#5894732618424994786
>
> 1 Miller Thunderbolt AC/DC stick
> 1 Harbor freight Mig
> 1 Hobart 150 Mig (nope...traded that and a set of torches and bottles
> for the Venture 24 last month. I think it was the Hobart...hummm..
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Venture24
>
>
>
> 1 Hobart Bro. 300 amp gasoline welder (Liberty Ship surplus from WW2)
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/1943HobartGasolineWelder
>
> 1 Dan Mig 200 mig
> (shown in several of the above links)
>
> All run fine and I use most of them for "loaners" or field welders if
> I have to do some welding for a client. out and about somewhere.
>
> Ive used the Airco 250 quite a bit, as well as the Miller Thunderbolt
> (which gets borrowed a lot)
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/WeldingStuff
>
> If Jonboi likes..I can have myself photographed standing beside each
> of the unphotographed machines for verification..along with a placard
> each discussing something interesting in Jons life...started out with
> "Got Bail?" and "Westec..a fun place to go for the show!" etc etc
>
> Afterall...Im just a nobody with nothing but junk...shrug
>
> Which reminds me...since I put in the cargo container..Ive had to
> change everything around outside..so will need to rephotograph
> everything again....its all been moved around.
>
> From the move...
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Conex#5894732759039926610
>
>
> Oh..I forgot..the Airco PhaseArc 350 Mig. 3ph, 375 amps, its on
> consignment in Costa Mesa. Takes 100 amps to run it...but it will do
> spray transfer quite nicely.
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/StacksOStuff#5620202689871115746
>
> And then of course Ive way..way..way too many torches, hoses, gauges
> and dodads and accessories....shrug
>
> And I swapped off the American spot welder about 6 months ago
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/StacksOStuff#5620202689871115746
>
>
> Humm...Im still waiting for photos of his shop and his home. Odd..its
> been what...6 months with periodic requests..and still nothing
>
> Here is mine....
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602
>
> So Jonniboi? Whats up wid dat?
>
> They dont let you take photos at the shelter? Hummmm?
>
> Gunner
was gone forever?
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:56:20 -0800 (PST), "dca...@krl.org"
> <dca...@krl.org> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, November 11, 2013 3:19:28 PM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>>
>>> Why would anyone in his right mind want FIVE welders in his fucking garage?
>>
>> Four would really be enougb. One is an oxy acet welder. Sometimes that is the best tool for the job. One is an old AC stick welder, which takes the least time to set and use for many jobs. One is a Tig welder which is the ticket for aluminium and nice looking stainless welds. One is a Mig which is kind of like a metal glue gun. Another one is an AC/DC stick welder, which I bought fairly recently because the price was too good to pass up. And sometimes DC stick is good. I could do without one of the stick welders.
>>
>> Or is your point that they should be in a proper shop, not in the garage.
>>
>> Dan
>
> I have a few in my shop
>
> Miller Dialarc 250 stick
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/ShopDec282012#5827202938836541938
>
> Miller 35 Mig
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/ShopDec282012#5827202839780310162
>
> Miller 35 Mig with Prince XL feeder and gun for aluminum
> Airco 300 Square Wave Tig (375 amp)
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/ShopDec282012#5827202975647183106
>
> Now thats just the electrical "welders" that I keep in the shop.
>
> I do have (2) O/A rigs, one set up for cutting, one set up for brazing
>
> On the other hand...I do have a few others .....
> Not counting the Miller 2050 plasma cutter....
>
> 1 Lincoln Ranger 9
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/ShopDec282012#5827203249304212210
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Ranger9
>
> 1 Lincoln Weldpack 100 (flux core only)
> 1 Lincoln Weldpack 100 with spool gun (aluminum..very small weld)
> 1 spare Airco 300 Squarewave tig
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/ShopDec282012#5827203342162815218
>
> 1 Airco 250 Square wave Tig
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Conex#5894732618424994786
>
> 1 Miller Thunderbolt AC/DC stick
> 1 Harbor freight Mig
> 1 Hobart 150 Mig (nope...traded that and a set of torches and bottles
> for the Venture 24 last month. I think it was the Hobart...hummm..
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Venture24
>
>
>
> 1 Hobart Bro. 300 amp gasoline welder (Liberty Ship surplus from WW2)
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/1943HobartGasolineWelder
>
> 1 Dan Mig 200 mig
> (shown in several of the above links)
>
> All run fine and I use most of them for "loaners" or field welders if
> I have to do some welding for a client. out and about somewhere.
>
> Ive used the Airco 250 quite a bit, as well as the Miller Thunderbolt
> (which gets borrowed a lot)
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/WeldingStuff
>
> If Jonboi likes..I can have myself photographed standing beside each
> of the unphotographed machines for verification..along with a placard
> each discussing something interesting in Jons life...started out with
> "Got Bail?" and "Westec..a fun place to go for the show!" etc etc
>
> Afterall...Im just a nobody with nothing but junk...shrug
>
> Which reminds me...since I put in the cargo container..Ive had to
> change everything around outside..so will need to rephotograph
> everything again....its all been moved around.
>
> From the move...
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/Conex#5894732759039926610
>
>
> Oh..I forgot..the Airco PhaseArc 350 Mig. 3ph, 375 amps, its on
> consignment in Costa Mesa. Takes 100 amps to run it...but it will do
> spray transfer quite nicely.
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/StacksOStuff#5620202689871115746
>
> And then of course Ive way..way..way too many torches, hoses, gauges
> and dodads and accessories....shrug
>
> And I swapped off the American spot welder about 6 months ago
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/StacksOStuff#5620202689871115746
>
>
> Humm...Im still waiting for photos of his shop and his home. Odd..its
> been what...6 months with periodic requests..and still nothing
>
> Here is mine....
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602
>
> So Jonniboi? Whats up wid dat?
>
> They dont let you take photos at the shelter? Hummmm?
>
> Gunner
>
> --
> Liberals want everyone to think like them.
> Conservatives want everyone to think.
>
So, what treasure did you find in your rearrangement that you thought
> --
> Liberals want everyone to think like them.
> Conservatives want everyone to think.
>
was gone forever?
John B.
Nov 13, 2013, 10:51:32 PM11/13/13
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On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 16:17:48 -0600, jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m...@mwt.net>
wrote:
But Japan doesn't have an all encompassing "minimum wage". The
Japanese minimum wage varies from prefecture to prefecture.
The Tokyo Minimum is US$ 8.54 while the minimum in Kochi Prefecture is
US$ 6.53.
The low unemployed figures in Japan are largely the result of their
rapidly ageing population with the resulting decreasing percent of the
population available to the labor pool.
--
Cheers,
John B.
wrote:
Japanese minimum wage varies from prefecture to prefecture.
The Tokyo Minimum is US$ 8.54 while the minimum in Kochi Prefecture is
US$ 6.53.
The low unemployed figures in Japan are largely the result of their
rapidly ageing population with the resulting decreasing percent of the
population available to the labor pool.
--
Cheers,
John B.
PrecisionmachinisT
Nov 14, 2013, 2:39:28 AM11/14/13
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"jon_banquer" <jonba...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:00914e78-f7f8-44d6...@googlegroups.com...
> On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:54:43 PM UTC-8, Rudy Canoza sock puppet
> wrote:
>
> wrote:
>
>> Lowering the minimum wage increases employment.
>
> At what cost?
>
>
Georgia, Wyoming, Minnesota, Arkansas, and Delaware have the lowest miimum
wages in the nation, except for Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, South
Carolina, and Tennesee, which have no minimum wage at all.
Of the ten states listed above, only four of them have an unemployment rate
that's below the national average which is currently 7.3%
http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States#State
dca...@krl.org
Nov 14, 2013, 8:05:45 AM11/14/13
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On Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:39:28 AM UTC-5, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
> Georgia, Wyoming, Minnesota, Arkansas, and Delaware have the lowest miimum
>
> wages in the nation, except for Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, South
>
> Carolina, and Tennesee, which have no minimum wage at all.
>
>
Slight correction. The Federal minimum wage applies in all states and to most jobs. A dishwasher in Louisiana has to be paid the Federal minimum wage because the restaurant could serve someone who is from out of state, and therefore the restaurant is considered to be involved in interstate commerce. It is a stretch, but that is how they implement it.
> Georgia, Wyoming, Minnesota, Arkansas, and Delaware have the lowest miimum
>
> wages in the nation, except for Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, South
>
> Carolina, and Tennesee, which have no minimum wage at all.
>
>
The only jobs that do not require paying Federal minimum wage are ones as baby sitting , and yard work for a private party. When I lived in Washington State near Seattle, the minimum wage law had no effect. You could not get high school kids to work for the minimum wage.
Dan
dca...@krl.org
Nov 14, 2013, 8:10:56 AM11/14/13
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On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 7:15:39 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
> > Lowering the minimum wage increases employment.
>
>
>
> At what cost?
At pretty much no cost. A large portion of the minimum wage jobs are held by people that have just started working. When and if they show that they are worth more than the minimum wage, they get raises and no longer are working at the minimum wage. Those that do not show they are worth more than the minimum wage generally lose their job to someone that works harder or smarter.
> > Lowering the minimum wage increases employment.
>
>
>
> At what cost?
Dan
dca...@krl.org
Nov 14, 2013, 8:16:03 AM11/14/13
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On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:17:48 PM UTC-5, jim wrote:
>
> Aren't you going to explain why Australia, Canada and Japan
>
> have higher minimum wage and yet have lower unemployment rates?
No, I am not. The reasons are simple. If you can not figure them out by yourself, you are not likely to understand when someone tries to explain it to you.
>
> Aren't you going to explain why Australia, Canada and Japan
>
> have higher minimum wage and yet have lower unemployment rates?
Hint: What determines the unemployment rate?
Dan
jim
Nov 14, 2013, 9:36:04 AM11/14/13
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unemployment rate. But you can't explain why the
evidence contradicts your belief.
jim
Nov 14, 2013, 9:43:03 AM11/14/13
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Rudy Canoza wrote:
> >
> > Australia at more than double the US minimum wage
>
> Sorry:
>
> Australian wage rates:
>
> For junior employees, the minimum rates are:
> Under 16 years of age $5.87
> At 16 years of age $7.55
> At 17 years of age $9.22
> At 18 years of age $10.90
> At 19 years of age $13.17
> At 20 years of age $15.59.
>
> http://cafehayek.com/2013/03/australias-minimum-wage.html
>
> The minimum wage in Australia isn't what you claim.
The starting federal minimum wage for under 20 age group
in the US is $4.25
You dance your clumsy jig, but you can't tell us why
the much higher minimum wage in Australia doesn't
produce the high unemployment that you predicted.
Rudy Canoza
Nov 14, 2013, 10:13:37 AM11/14/13
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[piggybacking]
On 11/14/2013 5:10 AM, dca...@krl.org wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 7:15:39 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
>
>>> Lowering the minimum wage increases employment.
>>
>>
>>
>> At what cost?
At no "cost".
The correct question is, what is the cost of having a minimum wage? The
answer: higher unemployment among young inexperienced low-skill members
of the work force.
On 11/14/2013 5:10 AM, dca...@krl.org wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 7:15:39 PM UTC-5, jon_banquer wrote:
>
>>> Lowering the minimum wage increases employment.
>>
>>
>>
>> At what cost?
The correct question is, what is the cost of having a minimum wage? The
answer: higher unemployment among young inexperienced low-skill members
of the work force.
Rudy Canoza
Nov 14, 2013, 10:15:08 AM11/14/13
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On 11/14/2013 6:36 AM, jim lied:
>
>
> "dca...@krl.org" wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:17:48 PM UTC-5, jim lied:
inexperienced, low-skilled members of the work force.
>
>
> "dca...@krl.org" wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:17:48 PM UTC-5, jim lied:
>>>
>>> Aren't you going to explain why Australia, Canada and Japan
>>>
>>> have higher minimum wage and yet have lower unemployment rates?
>>
>> No, I am not. The reasons are simple. If you can not figure them out by yourself, you are not likely to understand when someone tries to explain it to you.
>>
>> Hint: What determines the unemployment rate?
>>
>
> According to you a higher minimum wage increases the
> unemployment rate.
An effective minimum wage increases unemployment among young,
>>> Aren't you going to explain why Australia, Canada and Japan
>>>
>>> have higher minimum wage and yet have lower unemployment rates?
>>
>> No, I am not. The reasons are simple. If you can not figure them out by yourself, you are not likely to understand when someone tries to explain it to you.
>>
>> Hint: What determines the unemployment rate?
>>
>
> According to you a higher minimum wage increases the
> unemployment rate.
inexperienced, low-skilled members of the work force.
Rudy Canoza
Nov 14, 2013, 10:18:23 AM11/14/13
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On 11/14/2013 6:43 AM, jim lied:
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 11/13/2013 3:39 PM, jim lied:
>>>
>>>
>>> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 11/13/2013 2:19 PM, jim lied:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Raise the minimum wage past a certain point..and suddenly it becomes
>>>>>> very cost effective to remove all the employees and replace them with
>>>>>> automatic equipment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that what they do in Australia where
>>>>
No, it isn't.
> The starting federal minimum wage for under 20 age group
> in the US is $4.25
Not exactly.
A minimum wage of not less than $4.25 may be paid to employees
under the age of 20 for their first 90 consecutive calendar days
of employment with any employer as long as their work does not
displace other workers. After 90 consecutive days of employment,
or when the worker reaches age 20 (whichever comes first), the
worker must receive at least the federal minimum wage.
http://www.dol.gov/elaws/esa/flsa/docs/ymwplink.asp
As usual, you lied - this time by omission.
You're a natural-born liar.
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 11/13/2013 3:39 PM, jim lied:
>>>
>>>
>>> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 11/13/2013 2:19 PM, jim lied:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Raise the minimum wage past a certain point..and suddenly it becomes
>>>>>> very cost effective to remove all the employees and replace them with
>>>>>> automatic equipment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that what they do in Australia where
>>>>
>>>> Australian wage rates:
>>>>
>>>> For junior employees, the minimum rates are:
>>>> Under 16 years of age $5.87
>>>> At 16 years of age $7.55
>>>> At 17 years of age $9.22
>>>> At 18 years of age $10.90
>>>> At 19 years of age $13.17
>>>> At 20 years of age $15.59.
>>>>
>>>> http://cafehayek.com/2013/03/australias-minimum-wage.html
>>>>
>>>> The minimum wage in Australia isn't what you claim.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For junior employees, the minimum rates are:
>>>> Under 16 years of age $5.87
>>>> At 16 years of age $7.55
>>>> At 17 years of age $9.22
>>>> At 18 years of age $10.90
>>>> At 19 years of age $13.17
>>>> At 20 years of age $15.59.
>>>>
>>>> http://cafehayek.com/2013/03/australias-minimum-wage.html
>>>>
>>>> The minimum wage in Australia isn't what you claim.
>>>>
>>>> Once again, we see that you lied. Oh, wait - you *always* lie.
>>>
>>>
>>> Australia at more than double the US minimum wage
>>
>> Sorry:
>>
>> Australian wage rates:
>>
>> For junior employees, the minimum rates are:
>> Under 16 years of age $5.87
>> At 16 years of age $7.55
>> At 17 years of age $9.22
>> At 18 years of age $10.90
>> At 19 years of age $13.17
>> At 20 years of age $15.59.
>>
>> http://cafehayek.com/2013/03/australias-minimum-wage.html
>>
>> The minimum wage in Australia isn't what you claim.
>>
>>
>> Sorry:
>>
>> Australian wage rates:
>>
>> For junior employees, the minimum rates are:
>> Under 16 years of age $5.87
>> At 16 years of age $7.55
>> At 17 years of age $9.22
>> At 18 years of age $10.90
>> At 19 years of age $13.17
>> At 20 years of age $15.59.
>>
>> http://cafehayek.com/2013/03/australias-minimum-wage.html
>>
>> The minimum wage in Australia isn't what you claim.
>>
>> Once again, we see that you lied. Oh, wait - you *always* lie.
>
> yes it is.
>
No, it isn't.
> The starting federal minimum wage for under 20 age group
> in the US is $4.25
A minimum wage of not less than $4.25 may be paid to employees
under the age of 20 for their first 90 consecutive calendar days
of employment with any employer as long as their work does not
displace other workers. After 90 consecutive days of employment,
or when the worker reaches age 20 (whichever comes first), the
worker must receive at least the federal minimum wage.
http://www.dol.gov/elaws/esa/flsa/docs/ymwplink.asp
As usual, you lied - this time by omission.
You're a natural-born liar.
jim
Nov 14, 2013, 10:35:21 AM11/14/13
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You still haven't explained why
the high unemployment rate doesn't show
up in places like Australia as you predicted.
Rudy Canoza
Nov 14, 2013, 10:38:46 AM11/14/13
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On 11/14/2013 7:35 AM, jim lied:
Nope - no dancing. You lied, that's all. You lied about both the
Australian and the US minimum wages.
>> As usual, you lied - this time by omission.
>>
>> You're a natural-born liar.
>
> You keep dancing and
>>
>> You're a natural-born liar.
>
Nope - no dancing. You lied, that's all. You lied about both the
Australian and the US minimum wages.
Rudy Canoza
Nov 14, 2013, 10:47:51 AM11/14/13
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THE unemployment rate for 15 to 19-year-olds looking for
full-time work in July was 25.5 per cent. Within the 10 areas
listed by the federal Department of Human Services as the top
areas of disadvantage in Australia, the youth unemployment rate
rises to more than 40 per cent. - See more at:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/high-rate-of-youth-unemployment-will-hurt-future-productivity/story-fn717l4s-1226733071548#sthash.c2IiQ522.dpuf
More than a quarter of those aged 17 to 24 in Australia are not
in full-time work or full-time study, according to a Council of
Australian Governments (COAG) report released today.
In some states, like Queensland, South Australia and Tasmania,
that figure edged closer to one in three. And among young people
from disadvantaged backgrounds, that figure was above 40%.
http://www.propertyobserver.com.au/demographics/youth-unemployment-stats-one-in-four-young-australians-not-in-full-time-work-or-study/2013103166060
Teenagers finding themselves out of work are taking nearly six
months to find a job. Unemployed 15 to 19 year olds in October
had been looking for work for an average of just under 26 weeks,
data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics on Thursday showed.
October is a high month for youth unemployment, typically about
three weeks above the underlying trend. So that 26 weeks would
work out to about 23 weeks, a week over five months, if
seasonally adjusted. The average for the past 16 years - as far
back as comparable figures go - is 19 weeks. So the average
duration of youth unemployment is about a month longer than
normal at the moment.
http://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/youth-unemployment-duration-rises-045413546.html
A minimum wage increases unemployment among those it is nominally
intended to help. All economists know this. Theory and empirical work
explain it.
jim
Nov 14, 2013, 11:09:49 AM11/14/13
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Rudy Canoza wrote:
> >
> > You keep dancing and
>
> No.
>
> THE unemployment rate for 15 to 19-year-olds looking for
> full-time work in July was 25.5 per cent.
higher.
This summer only 32% of US 16-19 age could find work.
That is the lowest it has ever been even though a summer
job can pay as little as $4.25/hour.
You keep dancing but you can't explain why the higher
minimum wage in Australia consistently produces more
jobs and lower unemployment.
Rudy Canoza
Nov 14, 2013, 11:14:40 AM11/14/13
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On 11/14/2013 8:09 AM, jim lied:
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 11/14/2013 7:35 AM, jim lied:
low-skill workers out of work, too.
You lied and you got caught - you pretended that *all* Australian
workers are making A$16 per hour, and that there was no adverse effect
on employment. You lied.
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 11/14/2013 7:35 AM, jim lied:
>>> You keep dancing and
>>
>> No.
>>
>> THE unemployment rate for 15 to 19-year-olds looking for
>>
>> No.
>>
>> THE unemployment rate for 15 to 19-year-olds looking for
> The unemployment rate for that age group in the US is
> higher.
Of course it is - we have a minimum wage that puts young inexperienced
> higher.
low-skill workers out of work, too.
You lied and you got caught - you pretended that *all* Australian
workers are making A$16 per hour, and that there was no adverse effect
on employment. You lied.
jim
Nov 14, 2013, 11:42:58 AM11/14/13
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Rudy Canoza wrote:
> >>
> >> A minimum wage increases unemployment among those it is nominally
> >> intended to help. All economists know this. Theory and empirical work
> >> explain it.
> >
> > The unemployment rate for that age group in the US is
> > higher.
>
> Of course it is - we have a minimum wage that puts young inexperienced
> low-skill workers out of work, too.
much higher. A summer job for a 17 tear old in
the US can pay as little as $4.25/hour. In australia
a 17 year old must be paid $9,22/hour. With a
minimum wage of more than double they have less
unemployment.
You keep dancing and dancing but you can't explain why
your prediction that higher minimum wage produces
higher unemployment does not show up in the data.
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