It's starting, people
Steve B
about a cut in benefits came into the building with a shotgun under his
coat. Before it was all over, a security guard was dead, a U.S. Marshall
was wounded, and the perp was dead.
Lots of people with no hope living on subsistence levels who might be dead
in six months are going to be wanting to fight the beast. Especially when
they get the letter telling them that their benefits have been reduced or
cancelled.
It's the next thing to receive a PC label. Just to insure that it doesn't
have a derogatory meaning, and therefore the people involved don't feel bad
about themselves.
Steve
RIP - The dead SO was a retired Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Sergeant, 66
years old, who had given of himself his whole career.
wmbjk...@citlink.net
Take a hard look in the mirror, nitwit. You've become every bit the
crackpot as gardner, gummer, and editor. And what happened to your new
years resolutions? 4 days into the year and you're starting off-topic
threads and advertising your inability to think. Congratulations, and
I hope you enjoy stewing in your wet dreams of societal collapse, and
in your frustration as the years pass with none of your fantasies
coming true. It's going to be fun to watch you idiots keep announcing
"it's starting" over and over again every time a crime takes place.
Wayne
Ed Huntress
<wmbjk...@citlink.net> wrote in message
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There must be a way to make some good money off of these doomsday cranks.
They're gullible, they're paranoid, they're proselytizers...there's got to
be some money in it besides selling them primers and brass. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
Steve B
"Steve B" <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote in message
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I'll go out on a limb. GOING SOCIAL.
John R. Carroll
Start making and selling POG's cast from wheel weights Ed.
You can market them as stealth supplies for bullet molds and you'll be both
rich and famous.
LOL
--
John R. Carroll
Ed Huntress
"John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
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Hmm. There's a germ of an idea there, John. Some kind of violent
defense...claymores disguised as antique field telephones...something.
Anyway, it's keeping the gun stores busy for now, and it's giving a little
shot, if you'll excuse the pun, to the economy.
--
Ed Huntress
azotic
"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4b42ac0f$0$31259$607e...@cv.net...
Timothy McVeigh action figures complete with toy rental trucks,
bulsa wood federal buildings and M80's for hours of realistic action packed
fun.
Best Regards
Tom.
John R. Carroll
A really clever soul would start a trading exchange in derivative products.
You could just skip the underlying asset part and go right to "HOOAH!"
without any regulation or oversight at all. The ratings agencies and SEC
wouldn't know whether to shit or go blind!
"HoT lEaD- bid 5000 @ 40/ offered 40000 @ 60"
--
John R. Carroll
Steve B
>>> Take a hard look in the mirror, nitwit. You've become every bit the
>>> crackpot as gardner, gummer, and editor. And what happened to your
>>> new years resolutions? 4 days into the year and you're starting
>>> off-topic threads and advertising your inability to think.
>>> Congratulations, and I hope you enjoy stewing in your wet dreams of
>>> societal collapse, and in your frustration as the years pass with
>>> none of your fantasies coming true. It's going to be fun to watch
>>> you idiots keep announcing "it's starting" over and over again every
>>> time a crime takes place.
>>>
>>> Wayne
You're right, Wayne. You, and your ilk are not worth my time. Set back and
watch and enjoy.
You're right. You're always right.
Steve
cavelamb
>
> Hmm. There's a germ of an idea there, John. Some kind of violent
> defense...claymores disguised as antique field telephones...something.
>
> Anyway, it's keeping the gun stores busy for now, and it's giving a little
> shot, if you'll excuse the pun, to the economy.
>
Aw MAN, Ed, you are gonna just LOVE this guy...
He's ended the recession all by himself.
My favorite part is when he asks Amazon for a 1% Amazon credit for his trouble
To see what would happen, Brian Klug tried to buy a CD-ROM on Amazon of an
instructional science program mispriced at $2,875,934,133.57 (plus shipping).
What happened is that he bought it. Sounds like something similar as to what
happened with those $23 quadrillion Visa errors where binary zeroes became
hexadecimal spaces instead.
http://consumerist.com/2010/01/man-buys-3-billion-cd-rom-on-amazon-just-to-see-what-would-happen.html
--
Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/
Ed Huntress
"cavelamb" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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All RIGHT!! Now, THAT's economic stimulus.
(I think he should have gotten free shipping, don't you?)
Please keep us posted. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
"azotic" <azo...@cox.net> wrote in message
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All right, now we're cooking. Explosions, mass killings. Hey, how about an
update of "Doom," called "Doomsday"?
You can select the hated ethnic group of your choice for the enemy. If you
kill ten homeless Arabs, you get two cans of Spam and a box of gopher jerky.
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
"John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
Isn't that what they already did? <g>
BTW, I'm almost finished with Krugman's _The Return of Depression Economics
and the Crisis of 2008_. It's a good, fairly quick read.
--
Ed Huntress
John R. Carroll
Think X-Men, Ed.
--
John R. Carroll
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>
>
And in less than 2 yrs...its likely Whine will be killed by the People
when they finally get tired of the Leftists and stage the Great Cull.
Shrug
I hope they do it with a tool. Maybe a chainsaw.
Gunner
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766
John R. Carroll
Once upon a time there was a sub-prime mortgage, so no.
Almost though.
>
> BTW, I'm almost finished with Krugman's _The Return of Depression
> Economics and the Crisis of 2008_. It's a good, fairly quick read.
Yeah, Krugman is really beating the drum for another round of spending right
now.
He's probably right. I don't see that consumers have any real gas in the
tank and there isn't any reason for business to invest when capacity
utilization is at 60%.
--
John R. Carroll
Ed Huntress
"John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
If you've looked around, you see that there are quite a few economists
saying "don't stop now, fer chrissake." Unlike Congress, they know what
happened in 1937, and they don't want to see a repeat.
They can't seem to get in into their heads that what got us out of the
Depression was the biggest make-work, deficit-spending, money-printing
stimulus of all time: World War II.
--
Ed Huntress
John R. Carroll
I read his last editorial.
Good sense and bad electoral politics.
I wonder which will win out?
--
John R. Carroll
William Wixon
>
>
> All right, now we're cooking. Explosions, mass killings. Hey, how about an
> update of "Doom," called "Doomsday"?
>
> You can select the hated ethnic group of your choice for the enemy. If you
> kill ten homeless Arabs, you get two cans of Spam and a box of gopher
> jerky.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
>
interesting show on pbs late last night "The War of the World". this
episode was about the cold war, how super powers had proxies fight their
wars for them. the thing about this episode that struck me was you got the
feeling that ethnic rivalries figured into a large part of the wars the
narrator described (genocides in rwanda, yugoslavia, cambodia). it was
scary. he laid out the conditions that spawned ethnic flare ups. economic
collapse was large among them. i thought of some of the discussions here.
i think the program was dated 2007. he was saying the people at teh edges
of empire suffer the worst. made me wonder if the middle east would be
considered being at the edge of empire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtw6UWx_UuA
check out this guy's artwork. (i get a feeling from him of ethnic/racial
tolerance.)
i found this image in particular striking.
(http://www.jr-art.net/ > themes > Br�sil > )
http://www.jr-art.net/images/photos/28mm_women_Rio_Providencia_1.jpg
Buerste
"Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 19:13:08 -0800, "Steve B" <desert...@fishmail.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>>> Take a hard look in the mirror, nitwit. You've become every bit the
>>>>> crackpot as gardner, gummer, and editor. And what happened to your
>>>>> new years resolutions? 4 days into the year and you're starting
>>>>> off-topic threads and advertising your inability to think.
>>>>> Congratulations, and I hope you enjoy stewing in your wet dreams of
>>>>> societal collapse, and in your frustration as the years pass with
>>>>> none of your fantasies coming true. It's going to be fun to watch
>>>>> you idiots keep announcing "it's starting" over and over again every
>>>>> time a crime takes place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayne
>>
>>You're right, Wayne. You, and your ilk are not worth my time. Set back
>>and
>>watch and enjoy.
>>
>>You're right. You're always right.
>>
>>Steve
>>
> And in less than 2 yrs...its likely Whine will be killed by the People
> when they finally get tired of the Leftists and stage the Great Cull.
>
> Shrug
>
> I hope they do it with a tool. Maybe a chainsaw.
>
> Gunner
>
Doesn't it sound like the libtards are whistling past the graveyard? But
hey, if it makes them feel good about themselves...so long as they get the
opportunity to spew hate.
Gunner Asch
And then die. I can go with that. Shrug..give em a couple minutes to
shout their hate out to the crew, then snuff em. Or not. Shrug.
Probably most of the crews will be bored by killing shitting their
pants, pissing in their loafers and sniveling on their shirts
leftwingers..so they will likely simply snuff em in whatever fashion is
the fastest..and then move on to the next name on the list.
But Ive put in some Special Requests...and with luck..they will take
their lunch breaks while the Specials dance on tippy toes as the barbed
wire nooses slowly tighten.....
And Ive been promised videos!!
Cool dude!
Wild_Bill
even marked OT:, there are a few details that maybe should be stated.
As there are some retirees, or others close to retirement, that participate
in RCM, some other info may be worthwhile.
This isn't a new event. Another shot-gun-type incident took place in
Pittsburgh a few years ago. The firearm was described as some sort of
fabricated or improvised weapon. One or 2 agency personnel shot at
point-blank range as they sat at a table with the claimant (also an older
man, IIRC).
The number of armed security at a regional Social Security location (federal
building type of environment) are probably greater than anywhere else the
public might visit, wih exception of military bases, airports and LEO
agencies, or possibly courthouses.
When I saw a uniformed, armed man at a local SS office a few years ago (as I
passed by to go to another office in the same building), I thought he might
have been a cop checking into his SS account.
After another visit to the same building, he was present again. Not a cop, a
full-time armed security gaurd (SS office in a small city).
At the time, I recall trying to remember the last time I saw an armed gaurd
at a bank, but wasn't able to, it had been so long.
From the number of folks that I'm familiar with that have needed to resort
to disability benefits, the claimants are seen as adversaries of the SS
system (The Government).
Odd, I thought, as we were taught in school that SS is an insurance
program.. pay in during your working years, and withdraw at retirement, or
in case of a debilitating injury or disabiliy.
In recent weeks, I've read and heard on the news that the AARP claimed that
it's members were in favor of retirement benefits cuts. Right.
The most frequent problem reported by senior citizens, for years, has been
that they can't afford their medications. But AARP says seniors/members
approve benefit cuts.
Let's not talk about the old folks that are found dead, frozen to the floor,
that have been eating garbage to survive, as those would be labeled as
hoaxes.
Maybe some ederly folks just can't afford the AARP membership fees.
One would definitely not want to become unable to work without the resources
to live on today.
Some folks may have to get to a warm climate and find a cozy space under a
bridge that's not already occupied, and be prepared to defend it.
--
WB
.........
metalworking projects
www.kwagmire.com/metal_proj.html
"Steve B" <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote in message
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Gunner Asch
<wwi...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>news:4b42c4d7$0$31280$607e...@cv.net...
>>
>>
>> All right, now we're cooking. Explosions, mass killings. Hey, how about an
>> update of "Doom," called "Doomsday"?
>>
>> You can select the hated ethnic group of your choice for the enemy. If you
>> kill ten homeless Arabs, you get two cans of Spam and a box of gopher
>> jerky.
>>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
>>
I hope Ed doesnt get caught up in the Great Cull. He is nearly a
Leftwinger...and while Ive put out a plea for his survival...it may go
unheard.
The fate of so many Leftards in the very near future....
http://teachtolive.com/soldier.jpg
Shrug
Buerste
So many graves, so little urine.
cavelamb
> O
>>> You can select the hated ethnic group of your choice for the enemy. If you
>>> kill ten homeless Arabs, you get two cans of Spam and a box of gopher
>>> jerky.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ed Huntress
>>>
>
> I hope Ed doesnt get caught up in the Great Cull. He is nearly a
> Leftwinger...and while Ive put out a plea for his survival...it may go
> unheard.
>
> The fate of so many Leftards in the very near future....
>
It's not just the people you think you hate that are at risk, folks.
It's ALL of us.
We have become so fragmented that it would be (is being?) real easy to
distract the masses with dragons and sub-species.
I fear for my country...
Gunner Asch
So thats what they were talking about when that Hopey-Changey thing
first came up?
Gunner Asch
But..there is lots of beer, and lots of Mt Dew..and we can make more
urine.
<VBG>
I can see it now..as conservatives retire..and go on vactions..they will
stop at famous mass graves..such as Oakland, or DC..and get nicely
loaded in celebration and then piss on the tops of the mass graves
covering thousands of Leftwingers. Beer in one hand..dick in the other
as they celebrate the end of the Bad Period in American history, where
Lefwingers nearly destroyed America..but were brought down and destroyed
by The People.
When I retire..Ill bring Mt. Dew..and piss on Every mass grave I can
make it to. Glorious..absolutely Glorious!
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Nope. Its not all of us. Its simply the Left. Everyone else has
gotten along pretty nicely for most of American history, sharing the
same values, same love of country, love of nation etc etc.
The American hating Leftists however..have done everything they can do
to destroy not only the Constitution, but our freedoms, our hopes, our
dreams, our very way of life and set up a Socialist/Marxist totalitarian
state where once a free and open nation once was.
Im sure you remember that part of the Oath we both have taken..that
mentions "protect and defend against all enemies of the Constitution,
both foreign and domestic"
Shrug...once they have been defeated, killed in mass...the nation can
get back to recovering from its 40 yrs of sinking decline..and become a
great nation again.
>
>I fear for my country...
I dont. I know the People. While they are slow to rise.."when they
awaken..their fury will be a thing to behold"...as Yamamoto so well
said.
Shrug
It wont be pretty, it wont be nice, it will be nasty nasty
nasty..but..it has to be done, or America is finished.
And the People are becoming more and more aware of it.
The Great Cull is indeed coming.
Dave__67
> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 01:27:27 -0600, "William Wixon"
>
>
>
> <wwi...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> >news:4b42c4d7$0$31280$607e...@cv.net...
>
> >> All right, now we're cooking. Explosions, mass killings. Hey, how about an
> >> update of "Doom," called "Doomsday"?
>
> >> You can select the hated ethnic group of your choice for the enemy. If you
> >> kill ten homeless Arabs, you get two cans of Spam and a box of gopher
> >> jerky.
>
> >> --
> >> Ed Huntress
>
> I hope Ed doesnt get caught up in the Great Cull. He is nearly a
> Leftwinger...and while Ive put out a plea for his survival...it may go
> unheard.
>
> The fate of so many Leftards in the very near future....
>
> http://teachtolive.com/soldier.jpg
>
>
> Shrug
>
> Gunner
>
So people of the 'wrong' ideology will be on the ground, beaten by
soldiers?
That is as un-American as anything any al-queda member could hope to
do.
Dave
Ed Huntress
> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 01:58:06 -0500, "Buerste" <bue...@wowway.com> wrote:
<snip>
>>Doesn't it sound like the libtards are whistling past the graveyard? But
>>hey, if it makes them feel good about themselves...so long as they get the
>>opportunity to spew hate.
>
>
> And then die. I can go with that. Shrug..give em a couple minutes to
> shout their hate out to the crew, then snuff em. Or not. Shrug.
> Probably most of the crews will be bored by killing shitting their
> pants, pissing in their loafers and sniveling on their shirts
> leftwingers..so they will likely simply snuff em in whatever fashion is
> the fastest..and then move on to the next name on the list.
>
> But Ive put in some Special Requests...and with luck..they will take
> their lunch breaks while the Specials dance on tippy toes as the barbed
> wire nooses slowly tighten.....
>
> And Ive been promised videos!!
>
> Cool dude!
HAHAhahahoho...
Here's Tom and Gunner, talking about the left "shouting hate," while they
fantasize about "snuffing" them and hanging them with barbed wire. <g>
I guess all of their mirrors are broken...
--
Ed Huntress
Gunner Asch
No. Where did you get that foolish idea?
The People themselves will simply rise up and kill the enemies of the
United States. Leftwingers will be decimated. The Constitution will be
restored and all will be well. With luck..during the Great Cull...the
soldiers will simply guard their bases and stay out of it. Lets both
hope they do. Because if they dont..keep in mind that 80% of the
military is conservative and when they kill their enemies...cities are
destroyed.
>That is as un-American as anything any al-queda member could hope to
>do.
Shrug..its almost as un-American as anything a Leftwing Agenda has
planned. Pity about that. But dead the Leftwing will indeed be.
So..are you staying or moving to Canada? Since you Leftwingers are so
well armed....snicker...Im sure you will have no problem fighting off at
least 10,000,000 civilians who want you dead. Right? After all...you
were warned about trying to destroy the Constitution..and you didnt
listen. Shrug.
>
>
>
>Dave
Ignoramus17642
> So..are you staying or moving to Canada? Since you Leftwingers are so
> well armed....snicker...Im sure you will have no problem fighting off at
The theory you are espousing, is not new, it is called "class
warfare".
American rightwingers are way too timid to pull anything like this,
off.
i
wmbjk...@citlink.net
<gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 02:29:41 -0600, cavelamb <cave...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> O
>>>>> You can select the hated ethnic group of your choice for the enemy. If you
>>>>> kill ten homeless Arabs, you get two cans of Spam and a box of gopher
>>>>> jerky.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ed Huntress
>>>>>
>>>
>>> I hope Ed doesnt get caught up in the Great Cull. He is nearly a
>>> Leftwinger...and while Ive put out a plea for his survival...it may go
>>> unheard.
>>>
>>> The fate of so many Leftards in the very near future....
>>>
>>
>>It's not just the people you think you hate that are at risk, folks.
>>
>>It's ALL of us.
>>
>>We have become so fragmented that it would be (is being?) real easy to
>>distract the masses with dragons and sub-species.
>
>Nope. Its not all of us. Its simply the Left. Everyone else has
>gotten along pretty nicely for most of American history, sharing the
>same values,
Oh, I see. You imagine yourself in some admirable group that shares
the values of 101 flavors of irresponsibility, such as ignoring debts,
pathological lying, and a lifestyle guaranteed to maximize your cost
to society.
> same love of country, love of nation etc etc.
... and your group demonstrates this "love" of country by promoting
treason and anarchy.
>The American hating Leftists however..have done everything they can do
>to destroy not only the Constitution, but our freedoms, our hopes, our
>dreams, our very way of life and set up a Socialist/Marxist totalitarian
>state where once a free and open nation once was.
>
>Im sure you remember that part of the Oath we both have taken..that
>mentions "protect and defend against all enemies of the Constitution,
>both foreign and domestic"
>
>Shrug...once they have been defeated, killed in mass...the nation can
>get back to recovering from its 40 yrs of sinking decline..and become a
>great nation again.
Seriously, man, you need some form of mental-health intervention. But
apparently nobody thinks enough of you to help, so we'll have to wait
for natural selection to end your misery. Maybe next time you write
about going hungry and having your power turned off for nonpayment,
somebody can start a thread titled "it's starting".
Wayne
Gunner Asch
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.17642.invalid> wrote:
>On 2010-01-05, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>> So..are you staying or moving to Canada? Since you Leftwingers are so
>> well armed....snicker...Im sure you will have no problem fighting off at
>
>The theory you are espousing, is not new, it is called "class
>warfare".
Class warfare? Pity your ignorance about military matters is so broad
and deep.
Its called Civil War.
>
>American rightwingers are way too timid to pull anything like this,
>off.
>
>i
Pray really hard that you are right. That way when they simply hang you
from a street sign...it will be a big surprise. Hummm..you leftwingers
dont pray do you. No matter. You will still be dead.
Works for me.
Gunner
wmbjk...@citlink.net
<desert...@fishmail.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>> Take a hard look in the mirror, nitwit. You've become every bit the
>>>> crackpot as gardner, gummer, and editor. And what happened to your
>>>> new years resolutions? 4 days into the year and you're starting
>>>> off-topic threads and advertising your inability to think.
>>>> Congratulations, and I hope you enjoy stewing in your wet dreams of
>>>> societal collapse, and in your frustration as the years pass with
>>>> none of your fantasies coming true. It's going to be fun to watch
>>>> you idiots keep announcing "it's starting" over and over again every
>>>> time a crime takes place.
>>>>
>>>> Wayne
>
>You're right, Wayne. You, and your ilk are not worth my time. Set back and
>watch and enjoy.
Hey, you forgot that you claimed to have killfiled me *again*! How
many times does that make, and how fu$%ing phony can you get?
>You're right.
You bet I am, and making a habit of that is why I'm not the idiot
who's sinking in his old age and hoping that lawsuits and anarchy will
make up for a dearth of common sense.
> You're always right.
No, not always. But this is a no-brainer. People like you have been
preaching doom forever. Just the other night I saw some clips of a
Dakota nutjob spouting the same baloney you're so fond of. He was
adamant that the collapse of society was going to happen any day, and
he was ready with his guns... in '97. More recently we had editor
telling us it would come last June, and only weeks ago gummer said
that "it was starting" when some cops got shot. But you idiots refuse
to learn from each others' mistakes, so you'll keep right on saying
that every new cop killing or whatever is the new "start", even though
an average of something like 150 cops are killed every year. Revel in
your ignorance, it's exactly what you deserve.
Wayne
wmbjk...@citlink.net
<gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 19:13:08 -0800, "Steve B" <desert...@fishmail.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>>> Take a hard look in the mirror, nitwit. You've become every bit the
>>>>> crackpot as gardner, gummer, and editor. And what happened to your
>>>>> new years resolutions? 4 days into the year and you're starting
>>>>> off-topic threads and advertising your inability to think.
>>>>> Congratulations, and I hope you enjoy stewing in your wet dreams of
>>>>> societal collapse, and in your frustration as the years pass with
>>>>> none of your fantasies coming true. It's going to be fun to watch
>>>>> you idiots keep announcing "it's starting" over and over again every
>>>>> time a crime takes place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayne
>>
>>You're right, Wayne. You, and your ilk are not worth my time. Set back and
>>watch and enjoy.
>>
>>You're right. You're always right.
>>
>>Steve
>>
>And in less than 2 yrs...its likely Whine will be killed by the People
>when they finally get tired of the Leftists and stage the Great Cull.
>
>Shrug
Hey lookee, gummy finally budged off his 3 year thing! What are the
odds that he'll forget that he reduced it to 2, and be back to 3
within hours?
>I hope they do it with a tool. Maybe a chainsaw.
Oops, you also forgot how many times you've said that you wish the
"great cull" wouldn't happen. Why do you imagine that anyone should
take you seriously when you contradict yourself daily? The BS flows
out of you like sewage from a septic pumper, but that has nothing to
do with you being a brokedown brokeass, right?
Wayne
Dave__67
> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 08:08:50 -0600, Ignoramus17642
>
> >On 2010-01-05, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
> >> So..are you staying or moving to Canada? Since you Leftwingers are so
> >> well armed....snicker...Im sure you will have no problem fighting off at
>
> >The theory you are espousing, is not new, it is called "class
> >warfare".
>
> Class warfare? Pity your ignorance about military matters is so broad
> and deep.
>
> Its called Civil War.
>
>
>
> >American rightwingers are way too timid to pull anything like this,
> >off.
>
> >i
>
> Pray really hard that you are right. That way when they simply hang you
> from a street sign...it will be a big surprise. Hummm..you leftwingers
> dont pray do you. No matter. You will still be dead.
>
> Works for me.
>
> Gunner
>
I don't think Iggy is a leftwinger, and for sure I know I am not.
Of course to those of the faux news persuasion, anyone towards the
center compared to hannity, beck, etc. is a flaming liberal. Indeed,
that was uncle rupert's stated purpose in starting fox news.
As inevitable as you see these things, I certainly hope you don't
think any of what you are talking about is right or good.
If you do, I suggest it would be better if the culling went the other
way, as destructive as the left can be they at least don't think that
greatness can be achieved by killing off those that dissent.
Dave
Ignoramus17642
> On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 08:08:50 -0600, Ignoramus17642
><ignoram...@NOSPAM.17642.invalid> wrote:
>>American rightwingers are way too timid to pull anything like this,
>>off.
>
> from a street sign...it will be a big surprise. Hummm..you leftwingers
> dont pray do you. No matter. You will still be dead.
>
> Works for me.
Yep, no praying here.
Want to wager some money?
I can bet $20 that Great Cull will not occur in the period now to
2015. If the Civil War occurs before 2015, you win. (at least a
million people to be killed) Should be an easy way to make money, for
you.
i
wmbjk...@citlink.net
You'll need to get his $20 up front, since it's doubtful that a
bypass/stroke survivor who's addicted to green monster, mountain dew,
nicotine, and subsistence living, will last another 5 years. Plus, he
just finished saying that the "great cull" will be over in 2 years, so
he'd have to be a pussy to need a spotting of 3 extra years.
Wayne
Ignoramus17642
OK, my offer is revised, with the Civil war to occur PRIOR TO
1/1/2013, and result in at least 500,000 deaths. If that happens, I
will pay Gunner $20, if not, Gunner will pay me $20.
I knowingly accept the risk of Gunner dying, either due to Great Cull
or due to health. I priced this risk into my consideration of the bid.
i
wmbjk...@citlink.net
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.17642.invalid> wrote:
You're still spotting him a year or more, especially since his posts
claim that the cull will be *over* in less than 3 years, now 2 years
as of his latest cancerous BS this morning. Which means that according
to him, all the "leftists" will be dead by Jan 5/2012. Hey, just in
time to watch the world end according to crackpots who like to
hilariously misinterpret the Mayans. :-) Anyway, a pussy like gummer
needs all the help he can get, so it's good that you're making it that
much easier for him to win, and that much harder for him to weasel
out. It's too bad that he's a lot more likely to write a bunch of
feeble excuses than to insist on sticking to his own deadline. If he
makes any bet at all he'll lose, and you'll go on his payment list
somewhere below his other unpaid debts, some of which will be well
over 30 years old by then.
Wayne
Ignoramus17642
Come on, I want to cut him some slack.
> Hey, just in time to watch the world end according to crackpots who
> like to hilariously misinterpret the Mayans. :-) Anyway, a pussy
> like gummer needs all the help he can get, so it's good that you're
> making it that much easier for him to win, and that much harder for
> him to weasel out. It's too bad that he's a lot more likely to write
> a bunch of feeble excuses than to insist on sticking to his own
> deadline. If he makes any bet at all he'll lose, and you'll go on
> his payment list somewhere below his other unpaid debts, some of
> which will be well over 30 years old by then.
It is just 20 bucks.
i
Ed Huntress
"Ignoramus17642" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.17642.invalid> wrote in message
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If you want to make a wager that will generate some interest and a bigger
pot, bet on when you expect Gunner to expire. You should be able to narrow
it down to some pretty small windows of time.
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
"John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
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> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>> news:KIWdneCZKLLrVd_W...@giganews.com...
>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>>>> news:ls2dnSJT36RdLd_W...@giganews.com...
>>>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>>> "John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:V5idnWyXZ4bnNN_W...@giganews.com...
>>>>>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>>>>> <wmbjk...@citlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:9835k512aeihqhbco...@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:21:01 -0800, "Steve B"
>>>>>>>>> <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> BTW, I'm almost finished with Krugman's _The Return of Depression
>>>> Economics and the Crisis of 2008_. It's a good, fairly quick read.
>>>
>>> Yeah, Krugman is really beating the drum for another round of
>>> spending right
>>> now.
>>> He's probably right. I don't see that consumers have any real gas in
>>> the tank and there isn't any reason for business to invest when
>>> capacity utilization is at 60%.
>>>
>>> --
>>> John R. Carroll
>>
>> If you've looked around, you see that there are quite a few economists
>> saying "don't stop now, fer chrissake." Unlike Congress, they know
>> what happened in 1937, and they don't want to see a repeat.
>>
>> They can't seem to get in into their heads that what got us out of the
>> Depression was the biggest make-work, deficit-spending, money-printing
>> stimulus of all time: World War II.
>
> I read his last editorial.
> Good sense and bad electoral politics.
> I wonder which will win out?
My money is on politics. It's my hedge fund. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
"William Wixon" <wwi...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>
>>
>> All right, now we're cooking. Explosions, mass killings. Hey, how about
>> an update of "Doom," called "Doomsday"?
>>
>> you kill ten homeless Arabs, you get two cans of Spam and a box of gopher
>> jerky.
>>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
>>
>
> episode was about the cold war, how super powers had proxies fight their
> wars for them. the thing about this episode that struck me was you got
> the feeling that ethnic rivalries figured into a large part of the wars
> the narrator described (genocides in rwanda, yugoslavia, cambodia). it
> was scary. he laid out the conditions that spawned ethnic flare ups.
> economic collapse was large among them. i thought of some of the
> discussions here. i think the program was dated 2007. he was saying the
> people at teh edges of empire suffer the worst. made me wonder if the
> middle east would be considered being at the edge of empire.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtw6UWx_UuA
>
>
>
>
> check out this guy's artwork. (i get a feeling from him of ethnic/racial
> tolerance.)
>
> http://www.jr-art.net/
>
> i found this image in particular striking.
>
> (http://www.jr-art.net/ > themes > Br�sil > )
>
> http://www.jr-art.net/images/photos/28mm_women_Rio_Providencia_1.jpg
>
Neat images. Big Sister is Watching You? Scary.
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
"cavelamb" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Mostly, just worry about Gunner. He must be on 100 lists by now, and they're
all waiting for an excuse. <g>
--
Ed Huntress
pyotr filipivich
about Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:01:54 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>
>>So people of the 'wrong' ideology will be on the ground, beaten by
>>soldiers?
>>
>No. Where did you get that foolish idea?
>
>The People themselves will simply rise up and kill the enemies of the
>United States. Leftwingers will be decimated. The Constitution will be
>restored and all will be well. With luck..during the Great Cull...the
>soldiers will simply guard their bases and stay out of it. Lets both
>hope they do. Because if they dont..keep in mind that 80% of the
>military is conservative and when they kill their enemies...cities are
>destroyed.
"I come in peace, I didn't bring artillery. But I am pleading
with you with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I'll kill you
all."
Marine General James Mattis, to Iraqi tribal leaders
OTOH, with today's precision weapons, you don't have to flatten
the city. You an, and with the application of less effort than
before, but you don't have to.
Look at the photos of Europe's cities, 1945. Compare them to the
cities after the Mongols came through in the 13th century. The main
difference is that the Horde was more labor intensive, and were able
to provide "personal service" to the living before they became the
dead.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
pyotr filipivich
Tue, 5 Jan 2010 03:19:35 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>
>>>Doesn't it sound like the libtards are whistling past the graveyard? But
>>>hey, if it makes them feel good about themselves...so long as they get the
>>>opportunity to spew hate.
>>
>>
>> And then die. I can go with that. Shrug..give em a couple minutes to
>> shout their hate out to the crew, then snuff em. Or not. Shrug.
>> Probably most of the crews will be bored by killing shitting their
>> pants, pissing in their loafers and sniveling on their shirts
>> leftwingers..so they will likely simply snuff em in whatever fashion is
>> the fastest..and then move on to the next name on the list.
>>
>> But Ive put in some Special Requests...and with luck..they will take
>> their lunch breaks while the Specials dance on tippy toes as the barbed
>> wire nooses slowly tighten.....
>>
>> And Ive been promised videos!!
>>
>> Cool dude!
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>
>So many graves, so little urine.
Is old Yiddish curse: May you fall in an out house, just as a
Battalion of Ukrainians finishes a prune borscht and beer dinner.
drink beer.
Jeff R.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gunner Asch" <gun...@lightspeed.net>
>
> The People themselves will simply rise up and kill the enemies of the
> United States. Leftwingers will be decimated.
Oh Phew!
That's a relief.
Only 10% to be culled.
I thought you'd suggested much more then that.
--
Jeff R.
cavelamb
I suppose it's possible that that stroke did more damage than it seemed.
--
Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/
"The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power
to tell just when the hands will stop, at late or early hour...
Now is the only time you own. Live, love, toil with a will.
Place no faith in time. For the clock may soon be still."
cavelamb
I've always thought that was because of a difference in philosophy...
Slausewitz (total war) verses Sun Tsu (the Art of War).
Total warfare - kill everybody and let God sort it out.
Destroy the enemy's ability to survive.
http://www.clausewitz.com/readings/OnWar1873/TOC.htm
verses
In the practical art of war, the best thing of all is to take the enemy's
country whole and intact; to shatter and destroy it is not so good.
So, too, it is better to recapture an army entire than to destroy it, to
capture a regiment, a detachment or a company entire than to destroy them.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/132/132.txt The_Art_of_War
Wes
>Las Vegas, Nevada. Federal Building. A Social Security recipient, upset
>about a cut in benefits came into the building with a shotgun under his
>coat. Before it was all over, a security guard was dead, a U.S. Marshall
>was wounded, and the perp was dead.
I haven't kept up on this but if he had a grievance, a trip to Washington, DC might have
been in order. Lots of good targets there that may deserve his wrath based on broken
promises. Killing a couple blue collar types earning a paycheck to support their families
is not a good thing in my estimation.
I fully expect to get screwed since I've been able to see that coming for years. I'm
planning as well as I can financially. The ponzi scheme is coming to an end. I don't
mean just one ponzi scheme btw. There are many.
Wes
jbsl...@gmail.com
I suggest that the people shouting "Cull! Cull!" study recent history
for examples of how the Great Cull will undoubtedly occur. I am most
familiar with events in Indonesia, in the 1960's, but one can equally
well study Yugoslavia for examples.
While the Right may initially start the Cull by thinning the ranks of
the Left it doesn't take very long for the Leftists to discover what
is happening and react in a similar manner.
The result is that, in many cases the Cullists become the Culled. And
certainly is nothing else it will result in inter-racial, inter-ethnic
and inter-economic tensions that would take generations to resolve -
in Yugoslavia they were resolving incidents dating from the days of
their great-grandfathers and before.
I can hear the crowd chanting "Down with that one; a non-producing
member of society. Hasn't contributed a penny to the tax base in years
and years" or "Hang him; he is a bloated plutocrat, an exploiter of
the downtrodden masses - he uses people!"
Regards,
J.B.
Ed Huntress
"Wes" <clu...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> "Steve B" <desert...@fishmail.net> wrote:
>
>>Las Vegas, Nevada. Federal Building. A Social Security recipient, upset
>>about a cut in benefits came into the building with a shotgun under his
>>coat. Before it was all over, a security guard was dead, a U.S. Marshall
>>was wounded, and the perp was dead.
>
> I haven't kept up on this but if he had a grievance, a trip to Washington,
> DC might have
> been in order. Lots of good targets there that may deserve his wrath
> based on broken
> promises. Killing a couple blue collar types earning a paycheck to
> support their families
> is not a good thing in my estimation.
There were no broken promises, Wes. The guy was just a nut and a killer.
"During a news conference addressing the fatal shootings, the FBI revealed
that 66-year-old Johnny Lee Wicks had a lengthy criminal history that
involved a conviction for the murder of his brother and arrests on drug
charges in Tennessee during the 1970s.
"Special Agent Kevin Favreau said he also faced charges of sexual assault,
robbery and domestic violence while living in Sacramento."
The thing that set him off was the loss of a lawsuit over his SS reduction.
The judge threw the case out because the so-called "reduction" actually was
the result of the fact that Wicks had moved from California, which has
greater state-paid disability supplements, to Nevada, which pays less.
So he got a reduction because he moved to another state. Why a convicted
murderer was collecting SS and disability payments in the first place is a
good question.
>
> I fully expect to get screwed since I've been able to see that coming for
> years. I'm
> planning as well as I can financially. The ponzi scheme is coming to an
> end. I don't
> mean just one ponzi scheme btw. There are many.
But this one isn't it.
>
>
> Wes
Flash
"Dave__67" <spamT...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Dave
Dave, you must have missed ALL of the memos - - the ones signed by Uncle
Josef, Adolph, Pol Pot, Chairman Mao, The Glorious Leader Kin Jong Il, and
a whole gob of other "progressives".
pyotr filipivich
Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:06:34 -0600 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> on or
>> about Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:01:54 -0800 did write/type or cause to
>> appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>>> So people of the 'wrong' ideology will be on the ground, beaten by
>>>> soldiers?
>>>>
>>> No. Where did you get that foolish idea?
>>>
>>> The People themselves will simply rise up and kill the enemies of the
>>> United States. Leftwingers will be decimated. The Constitution will be
>>> restored and all will be well. With luck..during the Great Cull...the
>>> soldiers will simply guard their bases and stay out of it. Lets both
>>> hope they do. Because if they dont..keep in mind that 80% of the
>>> military is conservative and when they kill their enemies...cities are
>>> destroyed.
>>
>> "I come in peace, I didn't bring artillery. But I am pleading
>> with you with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I'll kill you
>> all."
>> Marine General James Mattis, to Iraqi tribal leaders
>>
>> OTOH, with today's precision weapons, you don't have to flatten
>> before, but you don't have to.
>>
>> Look at the photos of Europe's cities, 1945. Compare them to the
>> cities after the Mongols came through in the 13th century. The main
>> difference is that the Horde was more labor intensive, and were able
>> to provide "personal service" to the living before they became the
>> dead.
>>
>
Philosophy as much as Technology. The Mongols, being a pastoral
people, had little use for Cities wasting perfectly good pasture land.
There is a school of thought which "blames" much of the problems of
Iran & Iraq on the fact that the Mongols utterly destroyed the cities
back in the 13th century. (Of course, later, they got "soft" and
started liking cities, but that's another story.)
My point was, the Mongols destroyed a city just as thoroughly as
the USAAF did; that Carthage was just as completely destroyed by
Romans Legion via a labor intensive sack, pillage and burning as
Nagasaki was destroyed by an Expensive but High Tech destruction. I'm
sure that the Romans would have used a nuke if they had one, but they
were also into recycling.
>
>Clausewitz (total war) verses Sun Tsu (the Art of War).
>
>Total warfare - kill everybody and let God sort it out.
>Destroy the enemy's ability to survive.
>
>http://www.clausewitz.com/readings/OnWar1873/TOC.htm
>
>verses
>
>In the practical art of war, the best thing of all is to take the enemy's
>country whole and intact; to shatter and destroy it is not so good.
>So, too, it is better to recapture an army entire than to destroy it, to
>capture a regiment, a detachment or a company entire than to destroy them.
>
>http://www.gutenberg.org/files/132/132.txt The_Art_of_War
Even today, that is still the preferred means. Less work and
hazard to your army, less expense (ammo, casualties, etc).
OTOH, WW2 had the Mini-Max point of weapons tech, of the "There is
no problem which can't be solved by the application of sufficient
explosives." They could deliver massive quantities of explosives, and
did, but not with much finesse. Nowadays, we can literally "lob one
into the Kremlin's men's room." So we don't have to destroy
everything to get that point across.
Wes
>There were no broken promises, Wes. The guy was just a nut and a killer.
>
>"During a news conference addressing the fatal shootings, the FBI revealed
>that 66-year-old Johnny Lee Wicks had a lengthy criminal history that
>involved a conviction for the murder of his brother and arrests on drug
>charges in Tennessee during the 1970s.
>
>"Special Agent Kevin Favreau said he also faced charges of sexual assault,
>robbery and domestic violence while living in Sacramento."
>
>
>The thing that set him off was the loss of a lawsuit over his SS reduction.
>The judge threw the case out because the so-called "reduction" actually was
>the result of the fact that Wicks had moved from California, which has
>greater state-paid disability supplements, to Nevada, which pays less.
>
>So he got a reduction because he moved to another state. Why a convicted
>murderer was collecting SS and disability payments in the first place is a
>good question.
I should have read the article. As you indicate, just a nutjob. I'm curious why he was
walking around free considering the Sacremento charges. The government knew where to send
his benefits, can't they figure out where to pick him up at?
Wes
jbsl...@gmail.com
<gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 08:08:50 -0600, Ignoramus17642
><ignoram...@NOSPAM.17642.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2010-01-05, Gunner Asch <gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>>> So..are you staying or moving to Canada? Since you Leftwingers are so
>>> well armed....snicker...Im sure you will have no problem fighting off at
>>
>>The theory you are espousing, is not new, it is called "class
>>warfare".
>
>Class warfare? Pity your ignorance about military matters is so broad
>and deep.
>
>Its called Civil War.
>>
>>American rightwingers are way too timid to pull anything like this,
>>off.
>>
>>i
>
>Pray really hard that you are right. That way when they simply hang you
>from a street sign...it will be a big surprise. Hummm..you leftwingers
>dont pray do you. No matter. You will still be dead.
>
>Works for me.
>
>Gunner
Might work for you but it certainly didn't work for poor old Timothy,
did it?
I suggest that Timothy's experiences are probably typical of how the
Great Cull will actually play.
Regards,
J.B.
Dave__67
> "Dave__67" <spamTHIS...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Equating our misguided folks on the left with that list is pretty
silly, to say the least.
Dave
Ignoramus5111
>> Josef, Adolph, Pol Pot, Chairman Mao, The Glorious Leader Kin Jong Il, ?and
>> a whole gob of other "progressives".
>
> Equating our misguided folks on the left with that list is pretty
> silly, to say the least.
Considering our rightwingers murderous inclinations, they are much
closer spiritually to the list of above names.
i
Hawke
> Oh, I see. You imagine yourself in some admirable group that shares
> the values of 101 flavors of irresponsibility, such as ignoring debts,
> pathological lying, and a lifestyle guaranteed to maximize your cost
> to society.
>
>> same love of country, love of nation etc etc.
>
> ... and your group demonstrates this "love" of country by promoting
> treason and anarchy.
>
>> The American hating Leftists however..have done everything they can do
>> to destroy not only the Constitution, but our freedoms, our hopes, our
>> dreams, our very way of life and set up a Socialist/Marxist totalitarian
>> state where once a free and open nation once was.
>>
>> Im sure you remember that part of the Oath we both have taken..that
>> mentions "protect and defend against all enemies of the Constitution,
>> both foreign and domestic"
>>
>> Shrug...once they have been defeated, killed in mass...the nation can
>> get back to recovering from its 40 yrs of sinking decline..and become a
>> great nation again.
>
> Seriously, man, you need some form of mental-health intervention. But
> apparently nobody thinks enough of you to help, so we'll have to wait
> for natural selection to end your misery. Maybe next time you write
> about going hungry and having your power turned off for nonpayment,
> somebody can start a thread titled "it's starting".
>
> Wayne
What they don't get is the "starting" has already begun. It began with
the end of the 25 years of conservative governments we have had since
1980 and it's continuing with the Democratic victories in 2006 and 2008.
We now have absolute Democratic majorities in congress and a Democrat in
the White House. The "start" has begun. The start of a new era of
liberal values and liberal leadership of the country. We're going in a
new direction folks. That is what all the shouting is about. The old
farts are scared to death of change and change is coming. They are
freaking out. Can't you tell? They are going ape-shit because they see
things are finally going to change and they don't want it to. But
despite all their efforts to hold us back they are failing. That is why
they are acting so desperate and so hysterical. They can't face the fact
that America is going to change. It's unfortunate for them but there is
nothing they can really do to stop it. For the majority of Americans
we're glad to finally see some changes coming and we're anxious for it
to happen. Bad for them, good for the rest of us.
Hawke
Hawke
>>> BTW, I'm almost finished with Krugman's _The Return of Depression
>>> Economics and the Crisis of 2008_. It's a good, fairly quick read.
>> Yeah, Krugman is really beating the drum for another round of spending
>> right
>> now.
>> He's probably right. I don't see that consumers have any real gas in the
>> tank and there isn't any reason for business to invest when capacity
>> utilization is at 60%.
>>
>> --
>> John R. Carroll
>
> If you've looked around, you see that there are quite a few economists
> saying "don't stop now, fer chrissake." Unlike Congress, they know what
> happened in 1937, and they don't want to see a repeat.
>
> They can't seem to get in into their heads that what got us out of the
> Depression was the biggest make-work, deficit-spending, money-printing
> stimulus of all time: World War II.
Somebody needs to tell that to the right wing financial guru Dave
Ramsey. He was on Neil Cavuto's show today saying that we made a mistake
bailing out the financial firms and we should have let them fail.
Spending to stimulate the economy is also a no no to him and the other
conservative financial experts like Arthur Laffer. They think we should
have let the market discipline the companies that did too much gambling.
All I can say is it's sure a good thing nobody took their advice. But
then, we always have to hear the point of view of nutty folks.
Hawke
Ed Huntress
"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
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When I hear one of them present a realistic alternative to watching $4
trillion (conservative estimate of the 2007 asset value of non-bank banks)
in securities go right down the drain, I'll be glad to listen. Most serious
economists are saying that we just barely escaped the guillotine. It isn't
as if there was some *real* asset value behind all of those derivatives,
which could have been recovered if we let the financial firms tank. Some of
those securities were nothing but hot air (like CDS's that were taken out by
20 investors for every real asset behind them), and the choice was between
trying to keep the credit system afloat or watching the bank run extend all
across the economy, including to the real commercial banks. FDIC couldn't
have kept many of them afloat if there was a run on anything backed by real
estate assets. Not much has been said about how much of that "securitized"
junk the commercial banks owned, but it was a *lot*. And it still is.
Not that it doesn't all stink. We have to find a way to wind some of those
behemoths down, or split them up, or regulate the hell out of them. But
Congress doesn't appear to be up to it.
--
Ed Huntress
John R. Carroll
> "Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
> news:hi3um6$fo9$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>>
> Not much has been said about how much of that
> "securitized" junk the commercial banks owned, but it was a *lot*.
> And it still is.
One in five Ed.
One in five mortgages. That's where Bair came up with the toaster.
>
> Not that it doesn't all stink. We have to find a way to wind some of
> those behemoths down, or split them up, or regulate the hell out of
> them. But Congress doesn't appear to be up to it.
You ought to read some of the "exceptions" written into the proposal for the
new regulatory agency.
--
John R. Carroll
Ed Huntress
"John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
I've heard about it on the news, but I haven't read anything about it yet.
I'm afraid it would give me a stomach ache.
--
Ed Huntress
John R. Carroll
Look at page 770 if you cgange your mind.
The treatment smaller regional banks get ( they are exempt from audits or
direct oversight but agree to observe any new rules) is interesting as well.
--
John R. Carroll
Ed Huntress
"John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
The one thing we can hope for is that institutional investors -- pension
funds, insurance companies, etc. -- will no longer assume that "AAA" means
anything by itself. But mitigating against that is another fear: that
Congress, and maybe the administration, are praying for another bubble.
After a year of reading bits and pieces about this debacle, I've come to
believe that the last administration actually was hoping for the one in
housing to get them out of the recession of nearly a decade ago and that
they actively contributed to it. Not that they knew a crash was coming; at
least, not on their watch. But they knew it was a bubble all along. They can
read the fundamentals as well as we can -- or at least as well as we can
read them in retrospect. <g> They didn't need no steenking retrospect to see
it.
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Ed Huntress
pyotr filipivich
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>Gunner Asch wrote:
>> O
>>>> You can select the hated ethnic group of your choice for the enemy. If you
>>>> kill ten homeless Arabs, you get two cans of Spam and a box of gopher
>>>> jerky.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ed Huntress
>>>>
>>
>> I hope Ed doesnt get caught up in the Great Cull. He is nearly a
>> Leftwinger...and while Ive put out a plea for his survival...it may go
>> unheard.
>>
>> The fate of so many Leftards in the very near future....
>>
>
>It's not just the people you think you hate that are at risk, folks.
>
>It's ALL of us.
>
>We have become so fragmented that it would be (is being?) real easy to
>distract the masses with dragons and sub-species.
>
>I fear for my country...
Amen.
Bluntly put, we are all so technologically dependent, even those
who have made preparations, that "Civil Unrest" which involves serious
Direct Action will have an adverse impact on all of us. I know the
cliche is that 10% make it happen 10% know what happened, and 80%
wonder what happened. But that 80% will include not only those near
and dear to us, but those far and unknown to us, who more or less
share our values.
As unlikely as it might be for 'disturbed youths' to engage in a
man-made destructive act at say, the DNC national convention; and as
much as that might fill some of us with schadenfreude, there will be
"collateral casualties". I mourn for them too - the apolitical just
trying to make a living.
Gunner Asch
So you are now claiming that anyone to the right of Trotsky is a
Rightwinger?
Fascinating.
The reason one must kill of the Left..is simply because of just how
destructive they really are. After all...its only been 45 yrs and we are
nearly a Socialist nation now.
2 generations and boink...from Liberty to tyrrany.
One has to simply kill the cancer when its small enough to do.
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "cavelamb" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:yt2dnXTpxZwcZd_W...@earthlink.com...
>>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> O
>>>>>> You can select the hated ethnic group of your choice for the enemy. If
>>>>>> you kill ten homeless Arabs, you get two cans of Spam and a box of
>>>>>> gopher jerky.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ed Huntress
>>>>>>
>>>> I hope Ed doesnt get caught up in the Great Cull. He is nearly a
>>>> Leftwinger...and while Ive put out a plea for his survival...it may go
>>>> unheard.
>>>>
>>>> The fate of so many Leftards in the very near future....
>>>>
>>> It's not just the people you think you hate that are at risk, folks.
>>>
>>> It's ALL of us.
>>>
>>> We have become so fragmented that it would be (is being?) real easy to
>>> distract the masses with dragons and sub-species.
>>>
>>> I fear for my country...
>>
>> Mostly, just worry about Gunner. He must be on 100 lists by now, and they're
>> all waiting for an excuse. <g>
>>
>
>
>I suppose it's possible that that stroke did more damage than it seemed.
<VBG>
Gunner
Gunner Asch
>
>
>I suggest that the people shouting "Cull! Cull!" study recent history
>for examples of how the Great Cull will undoubtedly occur. I am most
>familiar with events in Indonesia, in the 1960's, but one can equally
>well study Yugoslavia for examples.
>
>While the Right may initially start the Cull by thinning the ranks of
>the Left it doesn't take very long for the Leftists to discover what
>is happening and react in a similar manner.
Unless the Left can Cull with tofu squares and table knives..they simply
dont own enough arms to defend themselves, let along take on 150,000,000
gun owners.
Gunner Asch
Timmy who? McVeigh?
Blink blink.....you somehow equate the actions of 2 men and their
capture..with the actions of 15,000,000 or more men?
Blink blink.
Which reminds me...how many people is McVeigh alleged to have killed
with a single bomb? 168 people wasnt it?
Hummm....168:1........not a bad ratio was it?