1200 degree High heat spray paint stinks, literally
Dan Musicant
I use its cover as a work surface when I'm cooking, preparing food, etc.
It's right between the burners and handy. Thing is, it's so old that the
nickel plating (I THINK it's nickel) has mostly worn off and it looks
awful. It stains, is rusted in places, etc. At first I thought I'd
electroplate it and did a bunch of research on that but discarded the
idea when I came to realize that it's not a simple thing to do and I'd
have to deal with some pretty toxic chemicals. Someone in a newsgroup
suggested using high heat resistant spray paint such as they use on car
engines. I decided this was the way to go.
I bought a can of Dupli-Color High Heat with Ceramic 1200 degree spray
paint at Kragen Auto and finally got around to using it.
Besides the griddle cover, there's the burner trays, which I also intend
to paint. First, though, before tackling these, I decided to paint
something less challenging to get the feel of spray painting with this
stuff. I have a steel cookie sheet that I made myself from a discarded
piece of thick plate steel (probably about 3/32 inch thick) I found a
number of years ago. I never put food on this thing, but I keep it in
the oven and put cookie sheets on top of it. It moderates the flow of
heat to the cookie sheets, which are many times thinner than the plate
beneath, and this prevents burning of cookies or whatever else I bake on
the cookie sheets. This sheet is ordinary steel and it's always had a
tendency to rust. So, I reasoned, if I can sand it smooth, I can paint
it with this high heat spray paint and it will look nice and I won't get
rust all over my hands every time I handle it. Besides that, it's good
practice using this spray paint before I tackle the griddle cover, which
I want to look nice. The paint itself is Aluminum color, "DH1606", which
I figured would look reasonably like the rest of the stove top. This is
an old O'Keefe and Merritt range probably from the mid-1950's.
I sanded the steel sheet with my finishing sander and finished it with
the high heat paint and it looks nice, but it still smells when it heat
it to around 400 degrees. I think it starts to stink at around 300. Not
only that, but at these temperatures, it seems to be very prone to
scratch. That doesn't bother me so much as the smell, which is not nice.
I suppose I can remove it with paint remover and go to plan B. What
might plan B be??? :)
I figure that the griddle cover might not get so hot (probably won't)
that it will stink, even when I use the oven under it, but I suppose
that spraying the burner trays with this stuff isn't a good idea. They
will probably get fairly hot sometimes and stink up the place when I'm
using the burners.
Thanks much for any help.
Dan
j...@noname.com
> Thanks much for any help.
>
> Dan
you have on there will give you headaches if you breath it and possible
lung damage......
RonC9876
the high heat setting. This will bake off that nasty smell and make things
tolerable.
Stan Schaefer
> Dan: Bake your painted articles in your barbeque grill for a couple of hours at
> the high heat setting. This will bake off that nasty smell and make things
> tolerable.
We have a winna! Most of these high-temp paints require, repeat
REQUIRE, high temperatures to cure. I've used a bunch of this stuff
on headers and mufflers, also on my plumber's furnace, they all
required extended baking at high temps before they quit stinking. On
the headers, the smoke quit coming off after about 15 minutes, but
they still smelled for days afterwards when I drove the car. I don't
think a bake oven is going to do the job. With the furnace, after I
fired it up for an extended session of about 4 hours, the paint was
cured. This runs hot enough to make the bottom of the cast iron
crucible red hot. Hasn't peeled yet, either.
Stan
Dan Musicant
wrote:
:>
:> Thanks much for any help.
When I bought my new refrigerator a couple years ago I looked at the
ranges they were selling, and they had a lot of them, including high end
kitchen stuff and some professional ranges (some small) for restaurants.
I wasn't impressed. Most of the new stuff is small and doesn't have a
preparation surface like this stove has. It doesn't look great, but if I
can paint or coat those pieces it's be OK for me for a while. Whether or
not the fumes from this paint are bad for me is an issue I should look
into, possibly, but it's hard for me to believe they'd sell this paint
for high temperature applications if it were that dangerous. No
headaches so far...
Dan Musicant
:Dan: Bake your painted articles in your barbeque grill for a couple of hours at
:the high heat setting. This will bake off that nasty smell and make things
:tolerable.
The can says you can cure it by baking at 300 degrees for 2 hours, 400
degrees for 1.5 hours or 600 degrees for 1 hour. Around 2 hours after I
finished painting, I did the 400 degree treatment in the oven for over
1.5 hours. That stunk up the place and I hoped the smell would go away
eventually, but it hasn't yet. So far, I haven't heated it up past 400
degrees or so. Maybe I'll just crank up the oven all the way for an
hour! It heats up to 550, maybe 600 degrees! Do you think that might
kill the smell?
I don't have a barbeque that big. Gave one away. The only ones I have
are small.
Dan Musicant
wrote:
:ronc...@aol.com (RonC9876) wrote in message news:<20030819091237...@mb-m13.aol.com>...
OK! Thanks! I'll crank up the oven to the highest setting. The knob goes
to 500, has another gradation that would be 575, and has a last one that
says "Broil". Maybe it will get up to 600 degrees on Broil. I'll leave
it there an hour or two and see if that does the trick. I think the
smell has been getting a little weaker since I painted it around 5 weeks
ago, but it's still there. Only gone up to around 400, though. Will see
if max temperature will cure it. I don't have any way to get it up to
800 degrees or so, though!
Dan
Dan Musicant
:Dan: Bake your painted articles in your barbeque grill for a couple of hours at
:the high heat setting. This will bake off that nasty smell and make things
:tolerable.
Hope this works. I have to admit, it sure looks nice! It used to look so
nasty when it was rusty, and it squeaked horribly whenever I slid a
cookie sheet on top of it. It's ergonomically great now, if I can just
get it to stop stinking!
Bob Engelhardt
stainless for the griddle cover?
Bob May
stink a lot at the beginning and will eventually stop but it does want a
fair bit of high temp time to get there. Header paint takes quite a few
hours to finally stop its outgassing but much of that time it is kind of
minimal and is acceptable on a set of headers. In the house, it may be bad
smelling for a lot longer so do a good bake outside in the barbecue or other
good heat source. I'll also note that the higher temp, the faster the smell
goes away.
For the griddle in the stove, I'd really suggest that you just take it to a
chroming shop and have them nickel plate it again. This is just the first
two steps of the chroming process so it will be a little cheaper (maybe $10)
than a full chrome process and if you get the polish to where you want it
before you give it to them and tell them not to polish it up anymore, that
will probably save more. In addition, you may want to have a extra thick
nickel but that is something that you may want to talk to the chrome plater
about.
--
Bob May
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Dan Musicant
<bobeng...@comcast.net> wrote:
:If you can't get the stink out of the paint, how about using a piece of
:stainless for the griddle cover?
Well, it would have to fit and that's the problem. This thing has
rounded corners, maybe with around a one inch radius, and it's turned
down 90 degrees all the way around. I don't think there's any way I
could fashion the stainless plate to the needed configuration.
Dan Musicant
wrote:
:The paint needs curing and that takes a while at high temps. The stuff does
:stink a lot at the beginning and will eventually stop but it does want a
:fair bit of high temp time to get there. Header paint takes quite a few
:hours to finally stop its outgassing but much of that time it is kind of
:minimal and is acceptable on a set of headers. In the house, it may be bad
:smelling for a lot longer so do a good bake outside in the barbecue or other
:good heat source. I'll also note that the higher temp, the faster the smell
:goes away.
:For the griddle in the stove, I'd really suggest that you just take it to a
:chroming shop and have them nickel plate it again. This is just the first
:two steps of the chroming process so it will be a little cheaper (maybe $10)
:than a full chrome process and if you get the polish to where you want it
:before you give it to them and tell them not to polish it up anymore, that
:will probably save more. In addition, you may want to have a extra thick
:nickel but that is something that you may want to talk to the chrome plater
:about.
Definitely something to consider. I think now that the griddle cover
will be OK in terms of smell if I bake it in the oven at 575 degrees an
hour or two, which I did today to the in-oven sheet and I have a feeling
that took care of the smell. It didn't smell that way after an hour or
so. My biggest concern, I guess, is just that it will eventually get
scratched up. Maybe I'll go in a shop or two and ask them what they
would charge before painting the stove top stuff.
Thanks for the ideas.
Dan
Dan Musicant
<musi...@SpamNot.pacbell.net> wrote:
That seems to have done it. An hour baking at 575 or 600 degrees cured
it, I think, because I don't notice the smell now when I heat it to 350
degrees. What I think it is is that the can's instructions were wrong. I
bet they just asked one of their technicians or engineers, or whoever
what they should put on the can in terms of instructions and they just
rattled some stuff off the top of their head without doing actual tests.
1 hour at 600 degrees is NOT equivalent to 1.5 hours at 400 degrees! If
you do the 400 degree treatment you will have a stinky paint job!
Dan
:I don't have a barbeque that big. Gave one away. The only ones I have
:are small.
Dan Musicant
<musi...@SpamNot.pacbell.net> wrote:
:On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:13:22 -0700, "Bob May" <bob...@nethere.com>
It still smells a little, but not much. Way less than even a few days
ago and it's not that objectionable. I figure that smell will eventually
go away or I'll stop noticing it...
