Dallas machinist 2, Bad guys 0
Rex
http://www.nbc5i.com/news/14339830/detail.html?rss=dfw&psp=news
DALLAS -- For the second time in three weeks, police say the owner of a
Dallas machine shop has fatally shot an intruder who had broken into his
business.
Investigators say no charges will be filed against James Walton, but the
case will be referred to a Dallas County grand jury.
Police say Walton killed the suspected burglar with a shotgun blast
inside Able Walton Machine & Welding on Sunday. Walton lives above the
shop and was alerted to the intrusion by a motion sensor system.
Police identified the intruder as 37-year-old Jimmy Gannon of Ferris.
Walton also shot and wounded a second man Sunday outside of the shop.
Police said the man escaped, but was eventually detained for questioning.
Police say Walton shot and killed Raul Laureles about three weeks ago
after Laureles climbed through a pried-open window of the business. That
incident also was referred to a grand jury.
-------------------------
I may have to drive over and buy this guy a beer.
I expect there will be a line.
Of course, I'd go during daylight hours.
RDF
Rob
Gunner Asch
Tell me how much a 6 pack is, and Ill send you the money.
Ask him what shot load he was using. The second guy shouldnt have
been able to escape. #4 buck is best.
Gunner
Pete C.
According to the billboard for I think MGD, $4.90 compared to something
like $4.35 for a latte...
Rex
This guy ought to have both newspaper articles laminated and posted on
the outside of the shop.
But maybe those BGs can't read anyway.
Tony
ham sandwich can escape being indicted by a Grand Jury. So this machinist
isn't off the hook yet.
"Rex" <burkh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:13h7fg2...@corp.supernews.com...
Gunner Asch
Andy Asberry
A billboard with a photo of the bloody body might lower Dallas' crime
rate.
--Andy Asberry--
------Texas-----
Pete C.
>
> It says the case is being referred to a Grand Jury. As they say, not even a
> ham sandwich can escape being indicted by a Grand Jury. So this machinist
> isn't off the hook yet.
>
It's Texas, it's just a formality to appease the loony left.
RDF
else needs to be cleared by a Grand Jury right?
Rob
"Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net> wrote in message
news:471406EF...@snet.net...
Bill
means that the prosecutor doesnt want the case to go foward and is not
going to try to get the guy indited.
It comes down to the "He needed killing" defense.
Pete C.
Ed Huntress
> That only applies if the perp is known to be a retard.
>
>
> RDF wrote:
>>
>> In Texas the only person who can kill a retard is the Governor... Anyone
>> else needs to be cleared by a Grand Jury right?
No mentally retarded person can be executed in the United States. Atkins v.
Virginia, USSC, 2002.
--
Ed Huntress
Gunner Asch
>It says the case is being referred to a Grand Jury. As they say, not even a
>ham sandwich can escape being indicted by a Grand Jury. So this machinist
>isn't off the hook yet.
Its in Texas, where " He needed killin" is a valid excuse. Plus no
charges will be filed so its proforma.
Gunner
Brent
> On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:57:55 -0400, "Tony" <t...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >It says the case is being referred to a Grand Jury. As they say, not even a
> >ham sandwich can escape being indicted by a Grand Jury. So this machinist
> >isn't off the hook yet.
>
> Its in Texas, where " He needed killin" is a valid excuse. Plus no
> charges will be filed so its proforma.
>
> Gunner
>
>
>
> >news:13h7fg2...@corp.supernews.com...
> >> Police: Dallas Businessman Kills Second Intruder
>
> >>http://www.nbc5i.com/news/14339830/detail.html?rss=dfw&psp=news
>
> >> DALLAS -- For the second time in three weeks, police say the owner of a
> >> Dallas machine shop has fatally shot an intruder who had broken into his
> >> business.
>
> >> Investigators say no charges will be filed against James Walton, but the
> >> case will be referred to a Dallas County grand jury.
>
> >> Police say Walton killed the suspected burglar with a shotgun blast inside
> >> Able Walton Machine & Welding on Sunday. Walton lives above the shop and
> >> was alerted to the intrusion by a motion sensor system.
>
> >> Police identified the intruder as 37-year-old Jimmy Gannon of Ferris.
>
> >> Walton also shot and wounded a second man Sunday outside of the shop.
> >> Police said the man escaped, but was eventually detained for questioning.
>
> >> Police say Walton shot and killed Raul Laureles about three weeks ago
> >> after Laureles climbed through a pried-open window of the business. That
> >> incident also was referred to a grand jury.
> >> -------------------------
>
> >> I may have to drive over and buy this guy a beer.
> >> I expect there will be a line.
> >> Of course, I'd go during daylight hours.
I remeber reading someonwhere that texas has a law on the books
specifically PERMITTING the use of force up to and including deadly
force against someone appearing to be stealing your property.
The law itself was from the old west and was put in place for cattle
rustling. But i had heard mention of a few repo man getting shot dead
and this law was used to clear the shooter.
Doesn't sound like the law is still on the books from the news article
though.
Brent
pyotr filipivich
Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote on Mon, 15 Oct 2007
22:44:30 -0700 in rec.crafts.metalworking :
>On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:57:55 -0400, "Tony" <to...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>It says the case is being referred to a Grand Jury. As they say, not even a
>>ham sandwich can escape being indicted by a Grand Jury. So this machinist
>>isn't off the hook yet.
>
>Its in Texas, where " He needed killin" is a valid excuse. Plus no
>charges will be filed so its proforma.
I've been informed that the full defense is "He just needed a good
killin'"
And remember, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Texas
girls have the right to shoot your cheating heart, ass, or any other
part of you which gets in the path of the bullet. Or shot. [one more
reason that folks down that ways say "Ma'am" a lot. :-) ]
Red headed Texas girls - as dangerous as smoking while setting
charges, but a whole lot more fun!
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
"Do not argue with the forces of nature, for you are small,
insignificant, and biodegradable."
RDF
"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:PEVQi.2256$CR4...@newsfe12.lga...
Someone forgot to tell GWB that while he was Governor!
Rob
Mark Rand
Yabut, Mentally retarded is a relative definition :-)
Mark Rand
RTFM
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>
Seems that with all the bleeding hearts running around...someone would
have used that defense, but couldnt make a case for it.
Glad to see Texas clears out its Death Row now and again.
I wish California would.
Gunner
Ed Huntress
"Mark Rand" <ra...@internettie.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7ec9h3t4vbralvas8...@4ax.com...
Yes in popular belief, but not under the law. In Virginia, the dividing line
is an IQ of 70 but that may vary by state; I never checked it out.
This was a Constitutionally messy case, and you probably don't want to start
a discussion about it. It produces a lot of heat but it goes nowhere.
--
Ed Huntress
Joe
> I remeber reading someonwhere that texas has a law on the books
> specifically PERMITTING the use of force up to and including deadly
> force against someone appearing to be stealing your property.
>
> The law itself was from the old west and was put in place for cattle
> rustling. But i had heard mention of a few repo man getting shot dead
> and this law was used to clear the shooter.
>
> Doesn't sound like the law is still on the books from the news article
> though.
>
> Brent
When I moved to South Carolina in 1980, there was an article in a local
paper quoting the sheriff of Anderson County saying (in effect) that
anyone who shot and killed an intruder in their house would have their
weapon confiscated while the case was investigated. After the
investigation was completed, the home owner would be cleared and the
weapon would be returned. I suppose the statement served both as a
warning to would-be burglars as well as a notice to homeowners to buy a
second gun to be used in the interim.
Joe
Ignoramus1841
>
> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:PEVQi.2256$CR4...@newsfe12.lga...
>>
>> "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net> wrote in message
>> news:47142502...@snet.net...
>>> That only applies if the perp is known to be a retard.
>>>
>>>
>>> RDF wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In Texas the only person who can kill a retard is the Governor... Anyone
>>>> else needs to be cleared by a Grand Jury right?
>>
>> No mentally retarded person can be executed in the United States. Atkins
>> v. Virginia, USSC, 2002.
>>
>
> Someone forgot to tell GWB that while he was Governor!
>
If Bush he knew that he could not be executed in the United States,
he'd probably attack a couple dozen of countries by now.
i
Larry Jaques
Rand <ra...@internettie.co.uk> quickly quoth:
>On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 07:08:19 -0500, "RDF" <NT_...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>news:PEVQi.2256$CR4...@newsfe12.lga...
>>>
>>> "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net> wrote in message
>>> news:47142502...@snet.net...
>>>> That only applies if the perp is known to be a retard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> RDF wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> In Texas the only person who can kill a retard is the Governor... Anyone
>>>>> else needs to be cleared by a Grand Jury right?
>>>
>>> No mentally retarded person can be executed in the United States. Atkins
>>> v. Virginia, USSC, 2002.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ed Huntress
>>Hey Ed,
>>
>> Someone forgot to tell GWB that while he was Governor!
>
>Yabut, Mentally retarded is a relative definition :-)
Yeah. Look at Congress and the White House today...
No WONDER they passed Ed's law.
--
Death is more universal than life; everyone dies but not everyone lives.
-- A. Sachs
Larry Jaques
Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> quickly quoth:
>"Mark Rand" <ra...@internettie.co.uk> wrote in message
>> Yabut, Mentally retarded is a relative definition :-)
>
>Yes in popular belief, but not under the law. In Virginia, the dividing line
>is an IQ of 70 but that may vary by state; I never checked it out.
That rules out most Virginians for execution. </Rebel humor>
Doug Miller
>
>"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>news:PEVQi.2256$CR4...@newsfe12.lga...
>> No mentally retarded person can be executed in the United States. Atkins
>> v. Virginia, USSC, 2002.
>>
> Someone forgot to tell GWB that while he was Governor!
GWB wasn't Governor of Texas in 2002.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
Ed Huntress
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:0af9h31tr6qd3t3p9...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:20:06 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
> Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> quickly quoth:
>
>>"Mark Rand" <ra...@internettie.co.uk> wrote in message
>
>>> Yabut, Mentally retarded is a relative definition :-)
>>
>>Yes in popular belief, but not under the law. In Virginia, the dividing
>>line
>>is an IQ of 70 but that may vary by state; I never checked it out.
>
> That rules out most Virginians for execution. </Rebel humor>
Starting off the day trolling for trouble, eh, Larry? <g>
--
Ed Huntress
*
third salesman - TWO have been here today!".....
......I would take it seriously!
Bill
It clearly shows where the DA stands. It came from the Huntsville Item a
local Huntsville Texas newspaper.
A Walker County grand jury will hear the case of a man who shot an
intruder at his business in the early morning hours Wednesday.
T.J. Burdett — owner of T.J. Burdett & Sons Recycling Center, located
near the intersection of state Highway 75 and Interstate 45 — will face
the grand jury for the shooting of a trespasser on his property around
4:30 a.m. Wednesday.
But Walker County Criminal District Attorney said he doesn’t plan to
present any charges to the grand jury.
“We're going to take (the case) to the regularly scheduled grand jury
meeting as a matter of policy,” Weeks said. “ I think the law is very
clear that (the shooting) will be deemed a justifiable act.”
According to police, Burdett shot Terry Reginald Green in the chest with
a shotgun after Green failed to comply with Burdett’s order to stay put.
Green — who is from Industry, some 18 miles south of Brenham — was
pronounced dead at the scene by Precinct 1 Justice of the Peace Janie
Farris.
Sgt. Jim Barnes with the Huntsville Police Department said Green was
shot once. Green’s body was taken to a medical examiner for an autopsy.
Barnes said it appeared Green was attempting to steal some scrap copper
at the facility when Burdett discovered him.
“The subject entered the closed business at night (and) appeared to be
about to commit a theft,” Barnes said. “He had on gloves and was heading
toward a general area where copper was kept.”
Barnes said the man forced himself through a locked gate to enter the
fenced-off area.
Under Texas law, deadly force is authorized when one fears their life is
in danger, as well as to protect personal property or prevent the
commission of robbery, theft during the nighttime or criminal mischief.
“You have a right to use deadly force,” Weeks said. “Basically, the law
provides that you are justified in using deadly force to protect land or
tangible, movable property.”
Weeks said that his office is not required to present the case to a
grand jury, but as a matter of policy plans to present the case without
any recommended charges.
“This will be presented to the grand jury with no recommended charges
due to the nature of the situation,” Weeks said. “ I fully expect the
grand jury will (not charge Burdett).
“I’m here to follow the law and the law is clear: he had the right to do
what he did.”
Weeks said Burdett fired a warning shot into the air before shooting Green.
“That’s more than the law requires,” Weeks said. “If anything, (Burdett)
went farther than he had to.”
no spam
> It says the case is being referred to a Grand Jury. As they say, not even
> a ham sandwich can escape being indicted by a Grand Jury. So this
> machinist isn't off the hook yet.
Having sat on two grand juries I can tell you that the odds are very high in
his favor. I can't see one outside of New England or CA returning a 'true
bill' on the guy.
cavelamb himself
>
>>Its in Texas, where " He needed killin" is a valid excuse. Plus no
>>charges will be filed so its proforma.
>
>
> I've been informed that the full defense is "He just needed a good
> killin'"
>
> And remember, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Texas
> girls have the right to shoot your cheating heart, ass, or any other
> part of you which gets in the path of the bullet. Or shot. [one more
> reason that folks down that ways say "Ma'am" a lot. :-) ]
> Red headed Texas girls - as dangerous as smoking while setting
> charges, but a whole lot more fun!
>
> pyotr
>
Gee, pyotr, sounds like you've been here.
And had a pretty good time....
George
George
Larry Jaques
Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> quickly quoth:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>news:0af9h31tr6qd3t3p9...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:20:06 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
>> Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> quickly quoth:
>>
>>>"Mark Rand" <ra...@internettie.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>>>> Yabut, Mentally retarded is a relative definition :-)
>>>
>>>Yes in popular belief, but not under the law. In Virginia, the dividing
>>>line
>>>is an IQ of 70 but that may vary by state; I never checked it out.
>>
>> That rules out most Virginians for execution. </Rebel humor>
>
>Starting off the day trolling for trouble, eh, Larry? <g>
Ah, you betcha. Let's add this one. Check Snopes for me, will ya?
A History Lesson
----------------
Who made these statements?
(answers at the bottom)
1) "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common
good."
A. Karl Marx
B. Adolph Hitler
C. Joseph Stalin
D. None of the above
2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the
few, by the few, and for the few..and to replace it with shared
responsibility for shared prosperity."
A. Lenin
B. Mussolini
C. Idi Amin
D. None of the Above
3) "(We)...can't just let business as usual go on, and that means
something has to be taken away from some people."
A. Nikita Khrushev
B. Jose f Goebbels
C. Boris Yeltsin
D. None of the above
4) "We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to
give up a little bit of their own...in order to create this common
ground."
A. Mao Tse Dung
B. Hugo Chavez
C. Kim Jong Il
D. None of the above
5) "I certainly think the free-market has failed."
A. Karl Marx
B. Lenin
C. Molotov
D. None of the above
6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the
most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being
watched."
A. Pinochet
B. Milosevic
C. Saddam Hussein
D. None of the above
Answers:
(1) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton
6/29/2004
(2) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton
5/29/2007
(3) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton
6/4/2007
(4) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton
6/4/2007
(5) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton
6/4/2007
(6) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton
9/2/2005
Larry Jaques
George <gvi...@sbcglobal.net> quickly quoth:
So them damned Arabs don't gets 'em! Besides, virgins don't give out,
so who cares if they're gone? <wink>
Ed Huntress
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:43:38 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
> Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> quickly quoth:
>
>>
>>"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>>news:0af9h31tr6qd3t3p9...@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:20:06 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
>>> Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> quickly quoth:
>>>
>>>>"Mark Rand" <ra...@internettie.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>> Yabut, Mentally retarded is a relative definition :-)
>>>>
>>>>Yes in popular belief, but not under the law. In Virginia, the dividing
>>>>line
>>>>is an IQ of 70 but that may vary by state; I never checked it out.
>>>
>>> That rules out most Virginians for execution. </Rebel humor>
>>
>>Starting off the day trolling for trouble, eh, Larry? <g>
>
> Ah, you betcha. Let's add this one. Check Snopes for me, will ya?
>
> A History Lesson
> ----------------
>
> Who made these statements?
> (answers at the bottom)
Tch, tch. Shame on you:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/marxist.asp
--
Ed Huntress
Hawke
> Rex wrote:
> > Police: Dallas Businessman Kills Second Intruder
> >
> > http://www.nbc5i.com/news/14339830/detail.html?rss=dfw&psp=news
> >
> > DALLAS -- For the second time in three weeks, police say the owner of a
> > Dallas machine shop has fatally shot an intruder who had broken into his
> > business.
> >
> > Investigators say no charges will be filed against James Walton, but the
> > case will be referred to a Dallas County grand jury.
> >
> > Police say Walton killed the suspected burglar with a shotgun blast
> > inside Able Walton Machine & Welding on Sunday. Walton lives above the
> > shop and was alerted to the intrusion by a motion sensor system.
> >
> > Police identified the intruder as 37-year-old Jimmy Gannon of Ferris.
> >
> > Walton also shot and wounded a second man Sunday outside of the shop.
> > Police said the man escaped, but was eventually detained for
questioning.
> >
> > Police say Walton shot and killed Raul Laureles about three weeks ago
> > after Laureles climbed through a pried-open window of the business. That
> > incident also was referred to a grand jury.
> > -------------------------
> >
> > I may have to drive over and buy this guy a beer.
> > I expect there will be a line.
> > Of course, I'd go during daylight hours.
>
> the outside of the shop.
> But maybe those BGs can't read anyway.
I see that the slow witted have all jumped on the atta boy band wagon once
again. Praising shooting people to death over who knows what property and of
what value. No mention of whether the shop owner was ever in any danger or
if any threat was made against him. Simply the fact that someone killed
people who had broken into a building is worthy of praise. It's the reverse
of the situation where a scum bag kills someone for ten dollars. Now a
citizen has killed two people and for what exactly? I think I'd rather wait
to hear the facts before jumping the gun on whether to praise this guy. My
nose tells me something is a bit fishy when a guy has to kill two people for
what is apparently only a crime of breaking and entering. If that is all the
intruders did I hardly think that is worthy of a death sentence. If they
were armed and threatening the guy's life that's a different story
altogether but nothing of that sort was mentioned. But for those who tend to
jump to conclusions simply hearing someone killed two possible thieves
sounds like something they like.
Hawke
Ignoramus3531
> I see that the slow witted have all jumped on the atta boy band wagon once
> again. Praising shooting people to death over who knows what property and of
> what value. No mention of whether the shop owner was ever in any danger or
> if any threat was made against him. Simply the fact that someone killed
> people who had broken into a building is worthy of praise. It's the reverse
> of the situation where a scum bag kills someone for ten dollars. Now a
> citizen has killed two people and for what exactly? I think I'd rather wait
> to hear the facts before jumping the gun on whether to praise this guy. My
> nose tells me something is a bit fishy when a guy has to kill two people for
> what is apparently only a crime of breaking and entering. If that is all the
> intruders did I hardly think that is worthy of a death sentence. If they
> were armed and threatening the guy's life that's a different story
> altogether but nothing of that sort was mentioned. But for those who tend to
> jump to conclusions simply hearing someone killed two possible thieves
> sounds like something they like.
I am not shedding tears for the copper thief. To the extent that the
owner makes them think twice about breaking into places, I am grateful
to him. The benefit to the society lies mostly not in saving the
copper, but in getting rid of scum in a lawful manner.
i
Ed Huntress
"Ignoramus3531" <ignora...@NOSPAM.3531.invalid> wrote in message
news:QNidnXN3raM_toja...@giganews.com...
>
> I am not shedding tears for the copper thief. To the extent that the
> owner makes them think twice about breaking into places, I am grateful
> to him. The benefit to the society lies mostly not in saving the
> copper, but in getting rid of scum in a lawful manner.
Cripes, Iggy, that wasn't society. That was TEXAS! d8-)
The laws are different in the United States.
--
Ed Huntress
Snag
Sounds like you got a criminal mentality to me ... there is a presumption
of intent to do bodily harm from the circumstances . In this case , the shop
should be considered part of his domicile , and he's within his rights to
defend his home .
Break into my house and you'll beg me to shoot you - my dogs don't like
intruders .
--
Snag aka OSG #1
'90 Ultra , "Strider"
The road goes on forever ...
none to one to reply
Hawke
> Tony wrote:
> >
> > It says the case is being referred to a Grand Jury. As they say, not
even a
> > ham sandwich can escape being indicted by a Grand Jury. So this
machinist
> > isn't off the hook yet.
> >
>
You want to talk about looney all you have to do is look at the whole state
of Texas. They think its right to kill someone because they were stealing
some scrap metal. Scrap metal! Can you believe that? Someone has the right
to kill another human being because they were taking a few bucks worth of
scrap metal. Now that is what I call nuts. In California it's illegal to
kill anyone over property regardless of its value. Why, because we value
human life over property. We also have insurance and can replace any
property that's stolen. The idea that a few bucks worth of property is worth
anyone's life is a nutty idea. It's like when someone wants to steal a
woman's purse and she won't let it go and winds up getting killed over a few
dollars worth of possessions. That's stupid. Property can be replaced lives
can't. Why some people are unable to understand that is beyond me. It's not
that I'm against killing. There is a time and a place for that but not over
a measly amount of property.
Hawke
cavelamb himself
Larry Jaques
Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> quickly quoth:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>news:1v3ah31pn57volffm...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:43:38 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
>> Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> quickly quoth:
>>
>>>
>>>"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>>>news:0af9h31tr6qd3t3p9...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:20:06 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
>>>> Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> quickly quoth:
>>>>
>>>>>"Mark Rand" <ra...@internettie.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>>> Yabut, Mentally retarded is a relative definition :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes in popular belief, but not under the law. In Virginia, the dividing
>>>>>line
>>>>>is an IQ of 70 but that may vary by state; I never checked it out.
>>>>
>>>> That rules out most Virginians for execution. </Rebel humor>
>>>
>>>Starting off the day trolling for trouble, eh, Larry? <g>
>>
>> Ah, you betcha. Let's add this one. Check Snopes for me, will ya?
>>
>> A History Lesson
>> ----------------
>>
>> Who made these statements?
>> (answers at the bottom)
>
>Tch, tch. Shame on you:
>
>http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/marxist.asp
Shame on me for asking you to check Snopes? Feh!
Ed Huntress
You really didn't have to ask. I would have done it anyway. That one was
'way too heavy-handed to slip under the radar. d8-)
Hey, while we're at it, as a card-carrying libertarian, what do you think of
that proposition that I made to Doug, that purebred libertarians would not
consider getting emergency medical care a human "right"?
--
Ed Huntress
Jim Chandler
It has nothing to do with valuing life over property. Californicate is
just fucking wierd, and the sooner I can get out of this fucked up state
and all 9its liberal morons (like you) the better. By the way, send me
your address and I'll come break into your house and steal whatever I
can of yours. We'll see how you feel about it then.
Jim
JR North
over.
JR
Dweller in the cellar
Rex wrote:
> Police: Dallas Businessman Kills Second Intruder
>
> http://www.nbc5i.com/news/14339830/detail.html?rss=dfw&psp=news
>
> DALLAS -- For the second time in three weeks, police say the owner of a
> Dallas machine shop has fatally shot an intruder who had broken into his
> business.
>
> Investigators say no charges will be filed against James Walton, but the
> case will be referred to a Dallas County grand jury.
>
> Police say Walton killed the suspected burglar with a shotgun blast
> inside Able Walton Machine & Welding on Sunday. Walton lives above the
> shop and was alerted to the intrusion by a motion sensor system.
>
> Police identified the intruder as 37-year-old Jimmy Gannon of Ferris.
>
> Walton also shot and wounded a second man Sunday outside of the shop.
> Police said the man escaped, but was eventually detained for questioning.
>
> Police say Walton shot and killed Raul Laureles about three weeks ago
> after Laureles climbed through a pried-open window of the business. That
> incident also was referred to a grand jury.
> -------------------------
>
> I may have to drive over and buy this guy a beer.
> I expect there will be a line.
> Of course, I'd go during daylight hours.
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Larry Jaques
Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> quickly quoth:
>Hey, while we're at it, as a card-carrying libertarian, what do you think of
>that proposition that I made to Doug, that purebred libertarians would not
>consider getting emergency medical care a human "right"?
I'd agree. While it's a nice gesture/moral imperative/humanitarian
effort, it sure as hell isn't a _right_.
Also, it wasn't politicized in the Bill Of Rights.
My Advance Directive for Health Care says that if I'm too broken that
they're not to fix me. And I'm a full body donor, whatever that's
worth.
Speaking of moral imperatives, we have one to ourselves regarding our
Executive and Legislative branches. My buddy in D.C. wrote this to me
this morning: "Oh, BTW, congress just voted to increase the national
debt ceiling to nine-trillion dollars. With 300 million people in the
country, that's $3 million dollars of debt for every man woman and
child." I fully understand why many people have just given up voting
after seeing this kind of bullshit go on every day for decades. <sigh>
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Ed Huntress
"JR North" <jason...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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>I se vigilantism is alive and well on RCM. Gives me the warm fuzzies all
>over.
> JR
> Dweller in the cellar
Don't worry about it. It's all talk. Besides, who can get upset about a
bunch of Texans shooting each other? Maybe they'll get lucky and hit
somebody who's thinking of running for president.
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:01:56 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
> Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> quickly quoth:
>
>
>>Hey, while we're at it, as a card-carrying libertarian, what do you think
>>of
>>that proposition that I made to Doug, that purebred libertarians would not
>>consider getting emergency medical care a human "right"?
>
> I'd agree. While it's a nice gesture/moral imperative/humanitarian
> effort, it sure as hell isn't a _right_.
(YO, Doug! Are you counting? That's three out of three. Real
flesh-and-blood. No strawmen.)
>
> Also, it wasn't politicized in the Bill Of Rights.
>
> My Advance Directive for Health Care says that if I'm too broken that
> they're not to fix me. And I'm a full body donor, whatever that's
> worth.
If somebody needs a full body, that could be helpful.
>
> Speaking of moral imperatives, we have one to ourselves regarding our
> Executive and Legislative branches. My buddy in D.C. wrote this to me
> this morning: "Oh, BTW, congress just voted to increase the national
> debt ceiling to nine-trillion dollars. With 300 million people in the
> country, that's $3 million dollars of debt for every man woman and
> child." I fully understand why many people have just given up voting
> after seeing this kind of bullshit go on every day for decades. <sigh>
Not to worry. We have supply-side economics on our side. We'll make it up by
cutting taxes.
We can always burn our dollar bills for heat if things get really rough.
--
Ed Huntress
Bob Engelhardt
...
> debt ceiling to nine-trillion dollars. With 300 million people in the
> country, that's $3 million dollars of debt for every man woman and
His arithmetic sucks! That's $30,000 per person! 3 million times 300
million would be 900 trillion.
Bob
Ed Huntress
"Bob Engelhardt" <bobeng...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:8cCdnWUBy-1I0Ija...@comcast.com...
Jeez, it's hard to keep track of all those zeros. d8-)
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Ed Huntress
Bill
The shop owner didnt place such a low value on the criminals life, the
criminal did.
Bill
I know that the stuff in my shop is not covered by insurance. If someone
takes something of mine,its gone forever because I dont have the money
to buy it again. So if someone tries to steal my property they have set
what their life is worth.
I have a cousin who is really poor. 100 bucks to him is a lot of money.
He gets along by mostly trading for what he needs. But everyone in the
county knows that if you try to steal gas or anything else from him, he
will kill you. Guess what, nobody tries to steal from him. I am grateful
I live in a state like Texas that allows me to protect what is mine.
Mark Dunning
"Hawke" <desm...@c-zone.net> wrote in message
news:13haamp...@corp.supernews.com...
WTF?
The scumbags were on his property. B&E is NOT a victimless crime.
All who B&E are presumed to be attempting to cause me and mine bodily harm.
If I am home, count on a similar outcome.
It's not a "death sentence". It's a simple case of defending yourself
against dirtbags out to harm you.
He did it twice? Good. Maybe fewer dirtbags will be polluting his
neighborhood.
You need to understand a couple of basic facts:
The dirtbags were criminals. Nothing possible about it. Wanna bet both
choirboys have loooong rap sheets?
A great next step would be putting the cut-off heads of the miscreants on
pikes flanking the front doors to his business.
None of this would be necessary if parents raised their children right and
society punished criminals for committing crimes.
But it's not happening and the dirtbags are not following the rules of
civilized behavior.
Ergo, a pair got sent to meet Jesus a bit early. He can figure out what to
do witrh their souls.
MD
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Louis Ohland
Anyone can help themselves to your stuff when they want. Capital
formation is extremely difficult, if not impossible, in those circumstances.
Capital is not only for large corporations. Mom and pop stores,
peddlers, farmers, etc need to have capital in the form of goods, money,
or services. If those things are not protected in some way, the strong
will simply take what they want.
So your "victimless crime" does violence to the person it's directed at.
That person has put an effort into giving value for goods that someone
has agreed to. You seem to suggest that society as a whole should pay
for the theft of goods from the owner, and let the intruder go.
Uh, I'm not going to pay anything in taxes or higher insurance payments
so a criminal can pillage with impunity. I'd expect any owner of goods
to be quite irate if I somehow was helping myself to the fruits of the
owner's labor without recompense.
Louis Ohland
Would that sum thins up?
bruce...@gmail.com
wrote:
>On Oct 16, 1:44 am, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:57:55 -0400, "Tony" <t...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >It says the case is being referred to a Grand Jury. As they say, not even a
>> >ham sandwich can escape being indicted by a Grand Jury. So this machinist
>> >isn't off the hook yet.
>>
>> Its in Texas, where " He needed killin" is a valid excuse. Plus no
>> charges will be filed so its proforma.
>>
>> Gunner
Usually these kind of cases being brought before the Grand Jury is a
method of protecting the individual. If you are brought before the
Grand Jury and the jury returns a decision of "justified homicide"
then you cannot later be tried again. I believe that it also protects
one against a civil charge of "depriving someone of his right to rob
machine shops".
Bruce - Bangkok
>>
>> >"Rex" <burkhei...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:13h7fg2...@corp.supernews.com...
>> >> Police: Dallas Businessman Kills Second Intruder
>>
>> >>http://www.nbc5i.com/news/14339830/detail.html?rss=dfw&psp=news
>>
>> >> DALLAS -- For the second time in three weeks, police say the owner of a
>> >> Dallas machine shop has fatally shot an intruder who had broken into his
>> >> business.
>>
>> >> Investigators say no charges will be filed against James Walton, but the
>> >> case will be referred to a Dallas County grand jury.
>>
>> >> Police say Walton killed the suspected burglar with a shotgun blast inside
>> >> Able Walton Machine & Welding on Sunday. Walton lives above the shop and
>> >> was alerted to the intrusion by a motion sensor system.
>>
>> >> Police identified the intruder as 37-year-old Jimmy Gannon of Ferris.
>>
>> >> Walton also shot and wounded a second man Sunday outside of the shop.
>> >> Police said the man escaped, but was eventually detained for questioning.
>>
>> >> Police say Walton shot and killed Raul Laureles about three weeks ago
>> >> after Laureles climbed through a pried-open window of the business. That
>> >> incident also was referred to a grand jury.
>> >> -------------------------
>>
>> >> I may have to drive over and buy this guy a beer.
>> >> I expect there will be a line.
>> >> Of course, I'd go during daylight hours.
>
>I remeber reading someonwhere that texas has a law on the books
>specifically PERMITTING the use of force up to and including deadly
>force against someone appearing to be stealing your property.
>
>The law itself was from the old west and was put in place for cattle
>rustling. But i had heard mention of a few repo man getting shot dead
>and this law was used to clear the shooter.
>
>Doesn't sound like the law is still on the books from the news article
>though.
>
>Brent
Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeATgmailDOTcom)
Ed Huntress
"Louis Ohland" <ohl...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:iOdRi.57$Ih...@newsfe02.lga...
> Consider what happens in countries without legal protection of property.
> Anyone can help themselves to your stuff when they want. Capital formation
> is extremely difficult, if not impossible, in those circumstances.
Pffhhht. That has nothing to do with it. You're letting your theories run
away from reality.
Here in NJ you can't shoot someone to protect property. We have no trouble
at all with capital formation.
The whole thing is about philisophical ideas of what is right. In Texas and
other traditional places, their idea of right and wrong is offended if
people can steal property without a chance of getting their guts blown out.
That's fine for them, if that's what they need to keep their rights and
wrongs intact. It also applies in the third world and a few other
backwaters.
But don't try to tell us it's going to affect "capital formation." That's
letting your theories run away with you.
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
<bruce...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:g3rah3he7j7j74lpc...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:51:54 -0700, Brent <b_ph...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Oct 16, 1:44 am, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:57:55 -0400, "Tony" <t...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> >It says the case is being referred to a Grand Jury. As they say, not
>>> >even a
>>> >ham sandwich can escape being indicted by a Grand Jury. So this
>>> >machinist
>>> >isn't off the hook yet.
>>>
>>> Its in Texas, where " He needed killin" is a valid excuse. Plus no
>>> charges will be filed so its proforma.
>>>
>>> Gunner
>
> Usually these kind of cases being brought before the Grand Jury is a
> method of protecting the individual. If you are brought before the
> Grand Jury and the jury returns a decision of "justified homicide"
> then you cannot later be tried again.
I don't think that's true, Bruce. Grand Juries don't decide cases or make
judgments. They just decide if there is sufficient evidence to hold a trial.
--
Ed Huntress
Hawke
"Jim Chandler" <n4...@gte.net> wrote in message
news:hqbRi.1573$tX1.1023@trndny05...
You can come to my place and try to steal anything you want. I won't kill
you for it though. You will probably get hurt but you won't be killed. If
you try to use violence against me then I will use deadly force. But I'm not
going to blow your head off if you steal my bicycle. That seems excessive.
We're not as looney here in California as they are in Texas. By the way, I
used to live in Texas. But I got out when I was young enough not to be
permanently damaged by the experience.
Hawke
Hawke
"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:0RbRi.159$I96...@newsfe12.lga...
Yep, that's what I was going to say. A lot of tough talkers in this group.
But my guess is that most of them would high tail it out the back door if
someone broke into their house during the night. Confronting someone who you
don't know is armed or not that breaks into your house at night is either
stupid or takes a lot of guts. From experience I know that most guys don't
have a lot of guts. In fact, it's usually the ones who talk about what they
would do are the ones who are the first to run when confronted. I expect all
the yahoos talking about what a great thing it was to kill two people are
just ignorant loudmouths blowing a lot of hot air. Scratch that, I know it.
Hawke
Lew Hartswick
those big numbers.
I had to in the above example to verify. :-)
...lew... Oh there is the bit where the europeans use
a different definition of Trillion.
Larry Jaques
Engelhardt <bobeng...@comcast.net> quickly quoth:
He must have used Shrubby's formula in reverse.
SteveB
>over.
> JR
> Dweller in the cellar
If they announced tomorrow that a vigilance committee was forming, I'd be
one of the first three in line. The sooner good men do something to combat
the evil among us, the better off all of society will be.
Steve
Ed Huntress
"Lew Hartswick" <lhart...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:13hau4p...@corp.supernews.com...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "Bob Engelhardt" <bobeng...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:8cCdnWUBy-1I0Ija...@comcast.com...
>>
>>>Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>...
>>>
>>>>debt ceiling to nine-trillion dollars. With 300 million people in the
>>>>country, that's $3 million dollars of debt for every man woman and
>>>>child." ...
>>>
>>>His arithmetic sucks! That's $30,000 per person! 3 million times 300
>>>million would be 900 trillion.
>>
>>
>> Jeez, it's hard to keep track of all those zeros. d8-)
>>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
> Yep. It would help if everyone just used scientific notation for
> those big numbers.
> I had to in the above example to verify. :-)
Me too. All I could handle was 10^12, not the zeros.
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
"SteveB" <desertt...@hi-speed.us> wrote in message
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AN'...ye git a shiny star fer ridin' with the posse!
--
Ed Huntress
cavelamb himself
Actually, it's the same here is Texas, Ed.
But this was the fellow's home as well, and at night.
That makes it a justifiable act.
Richard
cavelamb himself
Ed, you are a pretty smart guy,
Could you explain to me how 1000 million got to be a Billion?
Only in the US though...
cavelamb himself
What was that quote?
The only thing required for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing...
bruce...@gmail.com
wrote:
You make a good point there. Perhaps you could elaborate a bit in
your next post.
1. "We also have insurance and can replace any property that's
stolen. "
I would really like it if you can explain why do you feel that it is
justified for me pay an insurance premium so you can come and rob me?
Bruce in Bangkok
Ed Huntress
"cavelamb himself" <cave...@Xearthlink.net> wrote in message
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<snip>
> Could you explain to me how 1000 million got to be a Billion?
>
> Only in the US though...
I have no idea.
--
Ed Huntress
Doug Miller
>You can come to my place and try to steal anything you want.
Please post your address.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
SteveB
"cavelamb himself" <cave...@Xearthlink.net> wrote in message
I believe that's it. BTW, I'll be going to LV on Saturday, and returning
the same day. The steel yard won't be open. But I'll have to take my son
back Friday, IIRC, and will try to get to the steel yard for the SS. What
sizes do you want? Remember, they have to fit in a Priority Mail flat rate
box, which, IIRC, is about 14" on the longest side.
Steve
Jim Chandler
Now you live in Californicate, the most screwed up state in the union.
Thanks, but I'll take Texas anytime. If I could afford to get out of
this hellhole, I'd be gone. You and the illegals can have it.
Jim
cavelamb himself
Cool.
Thanks, Steve.
Bill
>
>
> Yep, that's what I was going to say. A lot of tough talkers in this group.
> But my guess is that most of them would high tail it out the back door if
> someone broke into their house during the night. Confronting someone who you
> don't know is armed or not that breaks into your house at night is either
> stupid or takes a lot of guts. From experience I know that most guys don't
> have a lot of guts. In fact, it's usually the ones who talk about what they
> would do are the ones who are the first to run when confronted. I expect all
> the yahoos talking about what a great thing it was to kill two people are
> just ignorant loudmouths blowing a lot of hot air. Scratch that, I know it.
>
> Hawke
>
>
Actually you would be suprised. I live on several acres in a
unincorporated community in west Texas. I also have a CHL. When I hear a
noise at night that doesnt belong I go investigate it with gun in hand.
You hope for the best but expect the worse. Ive had to do this about 6
times in the last 2 years. One time it was a pack of dogs coming up to
the house, another time I heard the dogs and it was someone parked in
front of the house at 2 am, another time some people thought that the
outskirts of my property would be a good place to park and drink. (which
it is, just not for them.) Harsh words and a gun do more than just
harsh words by themselves.
BTW the results of the above happenings. Some dead dogs, and in both
cases the people left.
Rex
>
>
>>
>>
>> Yep, that's what I was going to say. A lot of tough talkers in this
>> group.
>> But my guess is that most of them would high tail it out the back door if
>> someone broke into their house during the night. Confronting someone
>> who you
>> don't know is armed or not that breaks into your house at night is either
>> stupid or takes a lot of guts. From experience I know that most guys
>> don't
>> have a lot of guts. In fact, it's usually the ones who talk about what
>> they
>> would do are the ones who are the first to run when confronted. I
>> expect all
>> the yahoos talking about what a great thing it was to kill two people are
>> just ignorant loudmouths blowing a lot of hot air. Scratch that, I
>> know it.
>>
>> Hawke
I live on a 1-acre lot in an unincorporated section in DFW, very built
up all around me. I always have a pistol in my pocket, and I have one at
hand by my bed, along with a flashlight. You can bet I have a gun and a
flashlight when I get up to check on noises.
Oh, and my wife has a shotgun and a Colt revolver on her side of the
bed.
We live in a very quiet neighborhood, but you can't be too careful.
Doug Miller
>Yep, that's what I was going to say. A lot of tough talkers in this group.
>But my guess is that most of them would high tail it out the back door if
>someone broke into their house during the night.
You shouldn't assume that everyone else is as cowardly as you, Pigeon.
>Confronting someone who you
>don't know is armed or not that breaks into your house at night is either
>stupid or takes a lot of guts.
More guts than you have, obviously...
>From experience I know that most guys don't
>have a lot of guts.
So most of the guys you know don't have a lot of guts. Imagine my surprise.
SteveB
"Rex" <burkh...@gmail.com> wrote
> I live on a 1-acre lot in an unincorporated section in DFW, very built up
> all around me. I always have a pistol in my pocket, and I have one at hand
> by my bed, along with a flashlight. You can bet I have a gun and a
> flashlight when I get up to check on noises.
> Oh, and my wife has a shotgun and a Colt revolver on her side of the
> bed.
> We live in a very quiet neighborhood, but you can't be too careful.
I live in a quiet place, too at the end of the road. I keep a Remington
pump with 5 00 buck shells in it. On my nightstand is a Ruger 9mm with 17
rounds.
We live in a town of 925, but still there have been two murders in the last
two years. Not a lot of property crime in the rural areas where people are
known to have guns and use them. But a lot of theft in the towns proper
mainly for the tweakers to get money for another fix.
Steve
Robert Swinney
"We're not as looney here in California as they are in Texas. By the way, I
used to live in Texas. But I got out when I was young enough not to be
permanently damaged by the experience."
HHmmmnnnn ! Raised the IQ of both states, did you?
Bob Swinney
pyotr filipivich
cavelamb himself <cave...@Xearthlink.net> wrote on Tue, 16 Oct 2007
10:12:04 -0500 in rec.crafts.metalworking :
>pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>
>>>Its in Texas, where " He needed killin" is a valid excuse. Plus no
>>>charges will be filed so its proforma.
>>
>>
>> killin'"
>>
>> And remember, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Texas
>> girls have the right to shoot your cheating heart, ass, or any other
>> part of you which gets in the path of the bullet. Or shot. [one more
>> reason that folks down that ways say "Ma'am" a lot. :-) ]
>> Red headed Texas girls - as dangerous as smoking while setting
>> charges, but a whole lot more fun!
>>
>> pyotr
>>
>
>
>Gee, pyotr, sounds like you've been here.
>And had a pretty good time....
Her name was ... "Red".
Six foot one, Scot's Texan from San Antonio, fourth generation Army
Brat, first born of a Special Forces NCO, who taught her to shoot before
she started school. I met her at church (my Daddy was just an associate
pastor.).
Yee-haaa!
tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."
cavelamb himself
Heck, everybody outta try one of those at some time.
Makes a MAN of ya!
:)
cavelamb himself
My girlfriend told me this late last year. It really upset her.
Driving home from work (north east Dallas) - on NorthWest Hiway -
stopped at a light in heavy traffic - she saw two punks pick up
a big piece of concrete and throw it at one of the cars ahead of her.
Then they just walked off.
Random violence - in person.
Snag
I live in a "bad" neighborhood (four different gangs claim my street) in
Memphis . If you see me , count on my being armed (I also have a carry
permit) . Within reach of my side of the bed are an assault rifle and 100
rounds in strippers , a 12 guage shorty pump , a .45 auto with spare clip ,
a 20 guage bolt loaded with #2 3" mags . And a couple of hold-outs ...
I also have two large dogs , whose main job is to wake me up ... and
harass you until I get there .
Oh and Hawke - I'm also a 'Nam Vet , and no stranger to dead gooks .
--
Snag aka OSG #1
'90 Ultra , "Strider"
The road goes on forever ...
none to one to reply
Ed Huntress
"Snag" <sna...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Holy cow. No claymores? No howitzers loaded with cannister shot?
They make a nice conversation piece in your foyer, aimed out the door. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
Snag
Well , they didn't useta all be loaded . Until the second time the
gangbangers tried to kill me . I don't call the police anymore . I just make
sure when a new face shows up they get warned that I'm armed to the teeth ,
have trained "attack" dogs (actually , family pets that are very protective)
, and would love to introduce them to their maker .
"Don't start none , won't be none ..." is the operative phrase here .
SteveB
"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote
> Her name was ... "Red".
>
> Six foot one, Scot's Texan from San Antonio, fourth generation Army
> Brat, first born of a Special Forces NCO, who taught her to shoot before
> she started school. I met her at church (my Daddy was just an associate
> pastor.).
>
> Yee-haaa!
>
> tschus
> pyotr
I hope it wasn't the same "Red" that was nicknamed "BODACIOUS"!
It was tough to stay on for more than seven seconds, but sometimes I
finished and got off quicker than that. ;-)
Steve
SteveB
>>>> Yep, that's what I was going to say. A lot of tough talkers in this
>>>> group.
>>>> But my guess is that most of them would high tail it out the back
>>>> door if someone broke into their house during the night.
>>>> Confronting someone who you
>>>> don't know is armed or not that breaks into your house at night is
>>>> either stupid or takes a lot of guts.
How about we give you a couple of addresses and you try it out?
You forgot to include confidence in your list. Five rounds of 00 buck gives
a man a lot of confidence. And don't give me the argument about being
accurate. With that load, you have a lot of wiggle room. AND the
confidence that many men have from firing thousands of rounds either in
peacetime, practice, or in confrontation.
>>>> Confronting someone who you
>>>> don't know is armed or not that breaks into your house at night is
>>>> either stupid or takes a lot of guts.
No. It's just part of being a real man.
Steve
Andy Asberry
<hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>"Louis Ohland" <ohl...@charter.net> wrote in message
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>> Consider what happens in countries without legal protection of property.
>> Anyone can help themselves to your stuff when they want. Capital formation
>> is extremely difficult, if not impossible, in those circumstances.
>
>Pffhhht. That has nothing to do with it. You're letting your theories run
>away from reality.
>
>Here in NJ you can't shoot someone to protect property. We have no trouble
>at all with capital formation.
>
>The whole thing is about philisophical ideas of what is right. In Texas and
>other traditional places, their idea of right and wrong is offended if
>people can steal property without a chance of getting their guts blown out.
>That's fine for them, if that's what they need to keep their rights and
>wrongs intact. It also applies in the third world and a few other
>backwaters.
>
>But don't try to tell us it's going to affect "capital formation." That's
>letting your theories run away with you.
I'm not so sure, Ed. Let's reduce this to its simplest form. You are
"the" banker, I'm your customer. I've been repeatedly robbed or
burgled. My insurance has been canceled. How many times will you lend
me money to retool or restock?
The ones at risk are you, me and the insurance company. I prefer the
perp share some of the risk.
--Andy Asberry--
------Texas-----
Lew Hartswick
> Could you explain to me how 1000 million got to be a Billion?
>
> Only in the US though...
>
Just as 1000 Billion is a Trillion ( at least in the US)
Every 10^3 we have a new name, don't we?
I suppose we should realy use the Killo, Mega, Giga, Tera,
(help me from here on) for things like dollars ($) now. :-)
I'll admit I'm a lot more familiar with the ones going
the other way.
milli, micro, nano, atto, femto.
...lew...
Ed Huntress
>>> I live in a "bad" neighborhood (four different gangs claim my
>>> street) in Memphis . If you see me , count on my being armed (I also
>>> have a carry permit) . Within reach of my side of the bed are an
>>> assault rifle and 100 rounds in strippers , a 12 guage shorty pump ,
>>> a .45 auto with spare clip , a 20 guage bolt loaded with #2 3" mags
>>> . And a couple of hold-outs ... I also have two large dogs , whose
>>> main job is to wake me up ... and harass you until I get there .
>>> Oh and Hawke - I'm also a 'Nam Vet , and no stranger to dead gooks .
>>
>> Holy cow. No claymores? No howitzers loaded with cannister shot?
>>
>> They make a nice conversation piece in your foyer, aimed out the
>> door. d8-)
>
> Well , they didn't useta all be loaded . Until the second time the
> gangbangers tried to kill me . I don't call the police anymore . I just
> make sure when a new face shows up they get warned that I'm armed to the
> teeth , have trained "attack" dogs (actually , family pets that are very
> protective) , and would love to introduce them to their maker .
> "Don't start none , won't be none ..." is the operative phrase here .
Snag, if you're comfortable needing to have three long guns and a handgun
"within reach of your side of the bed," so be it. Personally, I'd move to a
better neighborhood. I'd certainly sleep better.
Another thing: if you've ever let it be known online what your real name is
or where you live, telling the whole world what firearms are loaded and
sitting in your bedroom is not a wise thing to do. It's like posting your
social security number or the combination to your safe.
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
"Andy Asberry" <aasb...@aol.com> wrote in message
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If you've been repeatedly robbed or burgled, and you come to me for a loan,
I'm not giving you squat -- and I don't care how many guns you have. If your
home or business is located in a place like that, you're radioactive as far
as a bank is concerned.
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
Cavelamb's question stems from this: In the American system, a billion is
10^9 (1 followed by 9 zeros). In the British system, it's 10^12.
He's apparently suggesting that the British system also is used in all other
countries. I don't know one way or the other.
--
Ed Huntress
cavelamb himself
> cavelamb himself wrote:
>
>> Could you explain to me how 1000 million got to be a Billion?
>>
>> Only in the US though...
>>
> I thought 1000 Million was a Billion everywhere.
> Just as 1000 Billion is a Trillion ( at least in the US)
> Every 10^3 we have a new name, don't we?
I don't think so - but that's why I was asking.
In Europe 1,000,000,000 is one thousand million.
???
Andy Asberry
<cave...@Xearthlink.net> wrote:
>Ed Huntress wrote:
>
>> "Louis Ohland" <ohl...@charter.net> wrote in message
>> news:iOdRi.57$Ih...@newsfe02.lga...
>>
>>>Consider what happens in countries without legal protection of property.
>>>Anyone can help themselves to your stuff when they want. Capital formation
>>>is extremely difficult, if not impossible, in those circumstances.
>>
>>
>> Pffhhht. That has nothing to do with it. You're letting your theories run
>> away from reality.
>>
>> Here in NJ you can't shoot someone to protect property. We have no trouble
>> at all with capital formation.
>>
>> The whole thing is about philisophical ideas of what is right. In Texas and
>> other traditional places, their idea of right and wrong is offended if
>> people can steal property without a chance of getting their guts blown out.
>> That's fine for them, if that's what they need to keep their rights and
>> wrongs intact. It also applies in the third world and a few other
>> backwaters.
>>
>> But don't try to tell us it's going to affect "capital formation." That's
>> letting your theories run away with you.
>>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
>>
>>
>
>Actually, it's the same here is Texas, Ed.
>
>But this was the fellow's home as well, and at night.
>
>That makes it a justifiable act.
>
>Richard
Here in Texas, when night falls, many crimes are bumped up in
severity. Arson and criminal mischief come to mind. Anywhere, not just
a residence.
The Davis Street bridge over I-30 in Arlington is the de facto DMZ
between Lamar and Arlington High Schools. Each paints their taunts on
the bridge. The state posted signs at each end pointing out that it is
criminal mischief to deface state property and sited the code number.
I remember this because I was taking my CHL training at the time and
stopping criminal mischief was one of the things for which deadly
force was justified.
Painting the bridge in daylight was a lessor offense.
--Andy Asberry--
------Texas-----
cavelamb himself
Oh, sorry Ed, didn't see yer post.
Yep, that's the 64 million dollar question...
But I don't know that the Brits managed to export it.
Just that it sure didn't take hold here.
Richard
Ed Huntress
"cavelamb himself" <cave...@Xearthlink.net> wrote in message
Well, there's a research job for somebody who isn't very busy. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
Martin H. Eastburn
Only in money... Maybe that now.
Science is SI.
And Billion is 10^9.
Martin H. Eastburn
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Jim Chandler
I have a riend who is a banker in Europe and I have asked him to clarify
the situation. As soon as I receive his answer I'll post it.
Jim Chandler
Ed Huntress
"Martin H. Eastburn" <lion...@consolidated.net> wrote in message
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> But that was solved a long time ago in science.
> Only in money... Maybe that now.
>
> Science is SI.
>
> And Billion is 10^9.
If anyone wants to read about this (and to double-check Wikipedia), the
"short scale" and "long scale" SI names are here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_and_short_scales
Let us know what you find out.
--
Ed Huntress
Martin H. Eastburn
Well it is 300' off the highway.
My Eastern side neighbor on the highway moved home to a passing Mom
about 6 months ago with her girls. Dad died in a car crash.
Yesterday I drove out and spotted (how could I miss) the local police
car (small town near by) had a small truck blocked in the driveway.
They were in the house so it would seem.
Afterwards like normal - just no one there. Still no information.
hum. I suspect copper hunters gutting out walls and taking
the coils from the air conditioner compressor and inside unit.
Martin
Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
TSRA, Life; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member.
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Snag
The thing is , our neighborhood wasn't like this a few (OK , 18 is more
than a "few") years ago when we bought this house . Section 8 housing and
the criminal element did us in - a couple of killings and a crack house or
two on a street will absolutely kill your property value . Economics keep me
here for now but we're working to change that . And yeah , you're right
about advertising , probably not the smartest thing .