Cox Communications drops Usenet
azotic
Effective June 30, 2010, Cox Communications will discontinue Usenet service
to our subscribers.
Best Regards
Tom.
Larry Jaques
<azo...@cox.net> scrawled the following:
>Dear Valued Customer:
>
>Effective June 30, 2010, Cox Communications will discontinue Usenet service
>to our subscribers.
If they were truly valued customers, Cocks wouldn't be screwing them
out of Usenet service, would they, Tom? <sigh>
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Jon Elson
> Dear Valued Customer:
>
> Effective June 30, 2010, Cox Communications will discontinue Usenet service
> to our subscribers.
service to provide it, and if it went down Friday night, it would not be
back up until Monday morning. Certain groups (like
rec.crafts.metalworking) would just disappear for a week at a time. So,
I finally gave up and bought a monthly subscription to giga-news. I get
the lowest tier at $6.95 a month. It galls me to have to pay twice for
the service, as Charter CLAIMS they provide the service, but it never
works. The only problem with Giga-News is they have all of R.C.M back
to June 2003, and it is over 500,000 messages, now. That kind of bogs
down my computer when I open the newsgroups.
Jon
Ignoramus3512
sci.engr.joining.welding only. Accessible by anyone for free.
i
Gunner Asch
Odd...I pay $4.95 a month for Giganews. Lowest rung, but I use only a
few newsgroups and a couple binary groups.
I had to drop my 12yr old internet account some time ago..$25 a month
for dialup was simply not in my budget..and Im sharing HIGH speed
internet with a neighbor across the street with wifi. So my cost for
internet access is $0, and Usenet is $4.95 per month.
Its nice to be able to view real time video. Never had it before.
Gunner
Gunner
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.
This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost
Gunner Asch
Blink blink,...your reader doesnt simply mark them "read" and only
downloads the new ones???
Wes
I don't use Thunderbird, but if it is like the newsreader in the Netscape, Mozilla, Sea
Monkey chain, it really doesn't like newsgroups with a lot of content. That is if nothing
has changed since the last time I checked it out.
If you are on wintel, try a trial of Agent from www.forteinc.com I'm not saying they are
perfect but for fairly cheap, it works.
Wes
Michael A. Terrell
Wes wrote:
>
> Jon Elson <jme...@wustl.edu> wrote:
>
> >azotic wrote:
> >> Dear Valued Customer:
> >>
> >> Effective June 30, 2010, Cox Communications will discontinue Usenet service
> >> to our subscribers.
> >Well, Charter did that a number of years ago. They paid an outside
> >service to provide it, and if it went down Friday night, it would not be
> >back up until Monday morning. Certain groups (like
> >rec.crafts.metalworking) would just disappear for a week at a time. So,
> >I finally gave up and bought a monthly subscription to giga-news. I get
> >the lowest tier at $6.95 a month. It galls me to have to pay twice for
> >the service, as Charter CLAIMS they provide the service, but it never
> >works. The only problem with Giga-News is they have all of R.C.M back
> >to June 2003, and it is over 500,000 messages, now. That kind of bogs
> >down my computer when I open the newsgroups.
> >
> >Jon
>
> I don't use Thunderbird, but if it is like the newsreader in the Netscape, Mozilla, Sea
> Monkey chain, it really doesn't like newsgroups with a lot of content. That is if nothing
> has changed since the last time I checked it out.
I use the old Netscape 4.78 to read newsgroups. You can delete the
'SNM' file for a newsgroup when it becomes too large. The next time you
want to read that group it will create a new 'SNM' file. If you have it
set to only download unread headers, the new file will be quite small.
> If you are on wintel, try a trial of Agent from www.forteinc.com I'm not saying they are
> perfect but for fairly cheap, it works.
>
> Wes
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"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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azotic
Testing Freenews.netfront.net cost is $0, they let you read and post.
Best Regards
Tom.
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Erik
"azotic" <azo...@cox.net> wrote:
Check out DSL Extreme... They include full usenet access with (I think
all of) their accounts. Been with them about 3 years now and they've
rocked the whole time.
However... note that I only use DSL Extreme as a 'dumb pipe' to the
internet, and don't use their e-mail or DNS server... and can't vouch
for the performance of either. (I IMAP Gmail, and flip flop between Open
DNS and Google DNS.)
Erik
DoN. Nichols
Well ... a proper newsreader will mark already read articles as
read, and not download them again.
If you can find the last current article number, and then (for
rec.crafts.metalworking) mark everything from the beginning (0) to about
500 before the end as read, you can then read mostly what was posted in
the last day. Make sure that your newsreader is set up to remember what
has been read, and the ones you have read today (and killfiled today)
will all be marked as read, and you will get a new set next time you log
in.
As an example, in the .newsrc file (on a unix system using slrn
as the newsreader), I see for rec.crafts.metalworking:
======================================================================
rec.crafts.metalworking: 1-623158
======================================================================
so anything before article number 623158 will not be displayed to me
unless I ask for access to old article. (This file can be edited with a
plain vanilla text editor when not actually reading news.)
Note that the numbers refer to what has been received in the
history of *that* particular news server. I use newsguy.com as my paid
news server ($99.50 per year, or $9.95 per month -- your choice) and
with a different news server (such as your Giga-News, or the recent
eternal-september.org site) the numbers will be very different, so don't
use my numbers.
Or -- just bite the bullet, select the newsgroup in question,
and tell the newsreader to "catch-up" (mark everything as already read)
and tomorrow you will only see those which have arrived since the
catch-up. What command you use for a catch-up varies with the
newsreader, though 'c' often will do it.
Good Luck,
DoN.
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since comcast dropped usenet.
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Pete C.
Got you beat, 4.75 here :) I've tried a bunch of other newsreaders, but
just haven't liked them.
Comrade technomaNge
> I've been using eternal-september.org, which is free, quite happily ever
> since comcast dropped usenet.
Same here, but mine was Bellsouth.
Mostly good text only.
technomaNge
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Michael A. Terrell
I used 3. something, then 4.0, and kept updating till AOL bought &
killed off Netscape.
I agree, I've tried other news readers and didn't like any of them.
Even though my headers claim Win 95, I'm running a newer OS. This has
been moved from one computer to another for over 13 years. I do the
install, then replace everything in the Netscape folder with the files
from the old machine.
Gunner Asch
DSL extreme is only available in some..some large urban areas.
In fact..DSL isnt even availble in most of America
Wayne Cook
>In article <8Uazn.119490$mn6....@newsfe07.iad>,
> "azotic" <azo...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Dear Valued Customer:
>>
>> Effective June 30, 2010, Cox Communications will discontinue Usenet service
>> to our subscribers.
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Tom.
>
>
>Check out DSL Extreme... They include full usenet access with (I think
>all of) their accounts. Been with them about 3 years now and they've
>rocked the whole time.
>
I agree.
>However... note that I only use DSL Extreme as a 'dumb pipe' to the
>internet, and don't use their e-mail or DNS server... and can't vouch
>for the performance of either. (I IMAP Gmail, and flip flop between Open
>DNS and Google DNS.)
Well Google has been doing there mail for a good bit of time now so
no real difference there.
Larry Jaques
<gunne...@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>In fact..DSL isnt even availble in most of America
I didn't even have DSL until a couple years ago, when they finally
installed it. I recently complained to QWEST about their ads saying
that 7Mbps DSL was only $25/mo when I was paying $27 for 1.5Mbps. I
talked her into giving me the 1.5 for $20/mo when she checked and
found that 7Mbps wasn't yet offered in my neighborhood. <sigh>
Somehow, that knocked ten bucks a month off my bill, for which I'm
grateful. But I'm still pissed that I can't get the faster speed.
RAMł
> DSL extreme is only available in some..some large urban areas.
>
> In fact..DSL isnt even availble in most of America
That's the reason that Hughsnet and other satellite-based services are
gaining acceptance and advertising heavily - especially via satellite TV
services. <G>
While - in my area - AT&T does offer DSL, the service is unavailable
outside of town due to distance limitations (distance from a central
office). This means that those outside city limits either use 56Kb
dialup, a cell phone service (5GB/mo. limit), or a satserv.
FWIW, most of the dweebs that design web pages today are blissfully
unaware that their multi-megabyte/page masterpieces can take an hour to
load over a scratchy dialup line...
wmbjk...@citlink.net
<st...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> wrote:
> Similar here with frontiernet. They offer two plans.
>700 Kbps and 3 Mbps... but the copper is old, and if
>you order the faster plan, you only actually get 1.3
>Mbps.
> I wonder how many people aren't even aware they're
>not getting all the bandwidth they're paying for.
Frontier 6 Meg plan here, actual is about 5.6 when tested at their
site, closer to 5 when tested at other sites. I can't complain though,
it's transmitted wirelessly the last 12 miles. It only goes via copper
for about 10'!
Wayne
DoN. Nichols
>
> "Pete C." wrote:
>>
>> "Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
[ ... ]
>> > I use the old Netscape 4.78 to read newsgroups. You can delete the
>> > 'SNM' file for a newsgroup when it becomes too large. The next time you
>> > want to read that group it will create a new 'SNM' file. If you have it
>> > set to only download unread headers, the new file will be quite small.
>>
>> Got you beat, 4.75 here :) I've tried a bunch of other newsreaders, but
>> just haven't liked them.
>
>
> I used 3. something, then 4.0, and kept updating till AOL bought &
> killed off Netscape.
>
> I agree, I've tried other news readers and didn't like any of them.
> Even though my headers claim Win 95, I'm running a newer OS. This has
> been moved from one computer to another for over 13 years. I do the
> install, then replace everything in the Netscape folder with the files
> from the old machine.
Hmm ... I don't consider *any* browser to be a true newsreader.
Have either of you ever tried something written from scratch as a
newsreader?
Here is the newsreader which I currently use, as compiled to run
on Windows:
<http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/1998-07/msg00331.html>
It is free software.
Note that because it is a very powerful package, there are lots
of options in the configuration file. It is a plain text file (on unix
it is called ".slrnrc" -- I don't know what the Windows version may be
called, since I think that Windows still does not like files whose names
*start* with '.'. :-)
As an example, here is the start of mine, with actual private
data removed -- except for the first three which are obvious from my
postings anwyay. :-)
Anything starting with a '%' is treated as a comment, as is
documented in the beginning of the file.
======================================================================
% -*- slang -*-
%% This is a sample startup file for the slrn newsreader and meant as a
%% template for your personal startup file; it is not a full reference
%% of slrn's config options -- please see the reference manual for this.
%% The percent character is used for comments.
%
%% 1. Tell slrn about your identity (name, email address and such)
%
% The "From:" header will be generated from the following three variables.
% With the example settings, it would read "jo...@doe.com (John Doe)".
set username "dnichols"
set hostname "d-and-d.com"
set realname "DoN. Nichols"
% Set this if you want replies to your articles to go to a address different
% from the one in "From:".
%set replyto "j...@something.com"
% What to put into the "Organization:" header line.
%set organization "Doe inc."
% The name of your signature file. If "", no signature is added.
%set signature ".signature"
%
%% 2. Server specific settings
%
% Tell slrn which newsrc file it should use for which server.
% Note: This does *not* set the default server; you need to set the
% NNTPSERVER environment variable for this.
%server "news.doe.com" ".jnewsrc-doe"
% If a server requires authentication, add a nnrpaccess line for it.
% If you leave username and/or password empty, slrn will prompt for it.
%nnrpaccess "news.doe.com" "john" "secret"
% Some servers require authentication, but don't ask for it.
% To offer your authentication data "voluntarily", set this variable to 1.
%set force_authentication 0
% This can either be set to "nntp" (read online) or "spool" (use local spool)
%set server_object "nntp"
======================================================================
There are a total of 234 lines which start with a '%' in my file, and 89
blank lines. Many of the lines can be left unset and just use the
defaults, but there are a *lot* of things which you can tune to make it
work as *you* wish.
FWIW my news provider (<http://www.newsguy.com> to read about them) has
just announced that they have expanded their 2 day free trial to
a 2 week free trial, so if you are looking for a new provider,
you should at least check them out. You can either use your own
newsreader, or access their news via a web page. Oh yes, they
also have for download a free newsreader for Windows which might
be the easiest way to break the habit of using a web browser to
read usenet news.
Enjoy,
Michael A. Terrell
"DoN. Nichols" wrote:
>
> On 2010-04-21, Michael A. Terrell <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > "Pete C." wrote:
> >>
> >> "Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
>
> >> > I use the old Netscape 4.78 to read newsgroups. You can delete the
> >> > 'SNM' file for a newsgroup when it becomes too large. The next time you
> >> > want to read that group it will create a new 'SNM' file. If you have it
> >> > set to only download unread headers, the new file will be quite small.
> >>
> >> Got you beat, 4.75 here :) I've tried a bunch of other newsreaders, but
> >> just haven't liked them.
> >
> >
> > I used 3. something, then 4.0, and kept updating till AOL bought &
> > killed off Netscape.
> >
> > I agree, I've tried other news readers and didn't like any of them.
> > Even though my headers claim Win 95, I'm running a newer OS. This has
> > been moved from one computer to another for over 13 years. I do the
> > install, then replace everything in the Netscape folder with the files
> > from the old machine.
>
> Hmm ... I don't consider *any* browser to be a true newsreader.
> Have either of you ever tried something written from scratch as a
> newsreader?
It is part of the email client in the old Netscape. The browser
itself is now mostly useless but I've got over a decade of selected,
archived email and newsgroup messages.
I use XNews to recover multi part schematics and photos of old
radios, but prefer the way the older Netscape displays messages. The
biggest problem with changing the way I read usenet is the loss of the
archive, without converting thousands of messages to text files, or
printing them out.
Larry Jaques
<st...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> scrawled the following:
>In <gatts5tfltbav8p71...@4ax.com>, on Wed, 21 Apr 2010
>05:59:38 -0700, Larry Jaques, lja...@diversify.invalid wrote:
>
>> I didn't even have DSL until a couple years ago, when they finally
>> installed it. I recently complained to QWEST about their ads saying
>> that 7Mbps DSL was only $25/mo when I was paying $27 for 1.5Mbps. I
>> talked her into giving me the 1.5 for $20/mo when she checked and
>> found that 7Mbps wasn't yet offered in my neighborhood. <sigh>
>> Somehow, that knocked ten bucks a month off my bill, for which I'm
>> grateful. But I'm still pissed that I can't get the faster speed.
>
> Similar here with frontiernet. They offer two plans.
>700 Kbps and 3 Mbps... but the copper is old, and if
>you order the faster plan, you only actually get 1.3
>Mbps.
>
> When I complained about paying for bandwidth I
>wasn't getting, I was offered a downgrade to the 700
>Kbps plan (which they would make retroactive to when we
>signed up) or I could keep paying for the full 3 and
>continue getting what I was getting.
Oops, how'd that woodsman get up the pole so far and cut so much cable
out last night? I wonder who it was...
> No "custom" deals offered, even though I mentioned
>that ideally, I'd like to keep getting the 1.3 Mbps
>that was possible with the current lines. (I was
>really spoiled by the 8Mbps cable we'd just come from.)
I can imagine.
> Then I recalled back to the first cable connection I
>had @ 384 Kbps in the '90s and how wonderful it was to
>be upgraded to 512 Kbps. I guess 700 Kbps isn't all
>that bad... yeah, I can live with that.
Just not as happily.
> I wonder how many people aren't even aware they're
>not getting all the bandwidth they're paying for.
Probably not more than 90% or so. It's so much faster than 56.6k, who
can tell? <g>
DoN. Nichols
>
> "DoN. Nichols" wrote:
[ ... ]
>> Hmm ... I don't consider *any* browser to be a true newsreader.
>> Have either of you ever tried something written from scratch as a
>> newsreader?
>
>
> It is part of the email client in the old Netscape. The browser
> itself is now mostly useless but I've got over a decade of selected,
> archived email and newsgroup messages.
What format does it archive the email and usenet messages in?
[ ... ]
> I use XNews to recover multi part schematics and photos of old
> radios, but prefer the way the older Netscape displays messages. The
> biggest problem with changing the way I read usenet is the loss of the
> archive, without converting thousands of messages to text files, or
> printing them out.
Hmm ... all newsreaders and e-mail clients which I have used
save articles and e-mail in plain text files. If the browser does not,
that is another reason to not use it.
With mutt (my e-mail client) I have selected to save e-mail in
"maildir" format, which means that each message is a separate plain text
file. As an example, from the spam folder (used for training a Bayesian
spam filter) here are some of the recent ones:
======================================================================
-rw------- 1 dnichols family 4.2K Jul 17 2009 1247852716.14878_5.izalco:2,
-rw------- 1 dnichols family 2.8K Jul 18 2009 1247873037.21872_1.izalco:2,
-rw------- 1 dnichols family 10K Jul 18 2009 1247940650.6234_1.izalco:2,
-rw------- 1 dnichols family 2.1K Jul 18 2009 1247940650.6234_3.izalco:2,
-rw------- 1 dnichols family 3.2K Jul 18 2009 1247940650.6234_5.izalco:2,
-rw------- 1 dnichols family 3.5K Jul 18 2009 1247940650.6234_7.izalco:2,
======================================================================
The first number is the time when it arrived in unix native time format
(seconds since the start of 1970 GMT). The second (after the decimal
point) is the process id when it was received, with the "_number" part
separating multiple messages received by the same process. The "izalco"
is the name of the system which received it (I have two mail servers
active, it happens that only izalco shows up in this batch), and the
part after the ':' marks it as saved into the archived spam folder from
the folder which qmail and the Bayesian filtering put it in.
The complexity of the file names is to keep two qmail processes
on different machines with the user's home directory network shared
between them from overwriting each other's files -- *ever*.
Anyway -- the newsreader, slrn, uses standard unix mailbox
format (text, with all run together in a single file), and one of the
tools which come with qmail is a script to convert a mailbox format file
into a maildir (many files), or to convert the other way.
But -- I have no idea what Netscape did to your messages.
Perhaps a web search will find a tool to explode the archives?
According to this:
<http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=64350>
netscape uses mbox format already. (This is about a perl tool to
convert mbox to whatever.)
Typically, there is a blank line followed by one which starts
with "From " (not "From: ") to start the next e-mail in the file.
Do a bit of web searching and find the tool which will work best
for a a batch conversion of your archives. There are a lot of free
ones, and a lot of shareware ones, as well as service bureaus who will
convert for you (for money). :-)
Michael A. Terrell
"DoN. Nichols" wrote:
>
> On 2010-04-22, Michael A. Terrell <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > "DoN. Nichols" wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
>
> >> Hmm ... I don't consider *any* browser to be a true newsreader.
> >> Have either of you ever tried something written from scratch as a
> >> newsreader?
> >
> >
> > It is part of the email client in the old Netscape. The browser
> > itself is now mostly useless but I've got over a decade of selected,
> > archived email and newsgroup messages.
>
> What format does it archive the email and usenet messages in?
>
> [ ... ]
netscape has the messages & headers stored as text, along with some
pointers. Everything is sorted by newsgroup, then year, followed by the
month. It is stored at:
C:\Program Files\Netscape\Users\mike_terrell\Mail and is currently 4.44
GB (4,768,155,017 bytes)
with 831 files in 67 folders. It would take months, or years to convert
to separate text files, and would was a lot of disk space.
> > I use XNews to recover multi part schematics and photos of old
> > radios, but prefer the way the older Netscape displays messages. The
> > biggest problem with changing the way I read usenet is the loss of the
> > archive, without converting thousands of messages to text files, or
> > printing them out.
>
> Hmm ... all newsreaders and e-mail clients which I have used
> save articles and e-mail in plain text files. If the browser does not,
> that is another reason to not use it.
I have no idea how, or even if Xnews stores files. I just use it to
get the occasional schematic or photo of old electronics equipment when
they are posted in multile parts. I run it every few months, to see if
I've missed something interesting.
Here is the first couple messages from one file. There are no blank
lines between messages. The only blank lines are in the messages
themselves:
******************************************************************************
From - Tue Apr 29 23:06:49 2008
Path:
border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com.POSTED!82d8ed57!not-for-mail
From: John Husvar <jhu...@sbcglobal.net>
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking
Subject: Re: Working leather gloves from mcmaster
References: <4cOdnSUoMOl_XuTa...@giganews.com>
<4779CDC7...@snet.net>
<kf-dncePvpb0U-Ta...@giganews.com>
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In article <kf-dncePvpb0U-Ta...@giganews.com>,
Ignoramus8643 <ignora...@NOSPAM.8643.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> I have exactly those tig gloves for TIG welding, they are great but
> they are too thin for general stuff (like lifting things with sharp
> edges). I a looking for cow leather type gloves. McMaster has a little
> bit too many choices.
>
> i
Carolina Glove and Safety Co. 800-557-4414
http://www.carolinaglovecompany.com/
Even more choices, but good folks to deal with and they'll offer
suggestions based on what you tell them of intended use and what price
you want to pay.
I buy my Kevlar gloves for blacksmithing from them. They sell left-hand
only pairs because most smiths wear out the left hand gloves more often
than the right. I usually order 2-3 left-hand pairs to each right/left
pair
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From: Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com>
Subject: Re: Filter for MI5 ( those using Agent)
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:54:31 -0500, Boris Mohar wrote:
> subject: {M[',-`. ]I[',-`. ]5[',-`. ]P}
This may also work for Pan, if you make a rule by hand in the Score file
(to be found in your .pan directory).
subject: M.I.5
seems to work for me, but if you do it from Pan's lame graphical
interface it turns it into "M\.I\.5", which means look for dots, not
look
for anything.
--
Tim Wescott
Control systems and communications consulting
http://www.wescottdesign.com
Need to learn how to apply control theory in your embedded system?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" by Tim Wescott
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From: Leon Fisk <lf...@no.spam.iserv.net>
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking
Subject: Re: OT Digital camera mod
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On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 09:45:58 -0600, nick hull
<nh...@isp.com> wrote:
>I want it principally when I CANNOT watch, when I'm sleeping or gone.
>
>It will stay in the weather 24/365, I'll make a housing to protect it.
Hi Nick,
Have you found this do-it-yourself trail camera site yet?
They have some boards, mods, a bit of camera info that may
be helpful. I haven't dealt with them, just came across them
while searching for something...
Sometimes the site is a little pokey loading, be patient.
--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
Remove no.spam for email
******************************************************************************
>
> Typically, there is a blank line followed by one which starts
> with "From " (not "From: ") to start the next e-mail in the file.
>
> Do a bit of web searching and find the tool which will work best
> for a a batch conversion of your archives. There are a lot of free
> ones, and a lot of shareware ones, as well as service bureaus who will
> convert for you (for money). :-)
I just use them with a text search to find messages or URLs from an
old message. It looks like I'm going to have to move everything to a
different computer. This Dell Optiplex GX280 is dying. I havea newer
computer that the four pin square +12 V CPU power connector burnt on the
motherboard and cable. I will change the PC mounted connector & the
cable connector to see if it is still good. They did a lousy crimp job
to the wires, and damaged the pins.
Pete C.
"DoN. Nichols" wrote:
>
> On 2010-04-22, Michael A. Terrell <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > "DoN. Nichols" wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
>
> >> Hmm ... I don't consider *any* browser to be a true newsreader.
> >> Have either of you ever tried something written from scratch as a
> >> newsreader?
> >
> >
> > It is part of the email client in the old Netscape. The browser
> > itself is now mostly useless but I've got over a decade of selected,
> > archived email and newsgroup messages.
>
> What format does it archive the email and usenet messages in?
>
> [ ... ]
>
> > I use XNews to recover multi part schematics and photos of old
> > radios, but prefer the way the older Netscape displays messages. The
> > biggest problem with changing the way I read usenet is the loss of the
> > archive, without converting thousands of messages to text files, or
> > printing them out.
>
> Hmm ... all newsreaders and e-mail clients which I have used
> save articles and e-mail in plain text files. If the browser does not,
> that is another reason to not use it.
The mail and newsreader component of Netscape Communicator, Netscape
Messenger *is not* a browser, it is a separate component. Netscape
Navigator is the browser. Netscape Composer (HTML editor) is also a
component of the Netscape Communicator package. I've tried a number of
other newsreaders and none of them handle as well as Netscape Messenger
for browsing newsgroups.
Lewis Hartswick
> The mail and newsreader component of Netscape Communicator, Netscape
> Messenger *is not* a browser, it is a separate component. Netscape
> Navigator is the browser. Netscape Composer (HTML editor) is also a
> component of the Netscape Communicator package. I've tried a number of
> other newsreaders and none of them handle as well as Netscape Messenger
> for browsing newsgroups.
years) someone put me on to SeaMonkey which is a development
of Netscape and behaves the same way for browsing but does
now work with some of the "movie things" that didn't on my
Netscape. So that is what I've been using for a year or so
now.
...lew...
Larry Jaques
<lhart...@earthlink.net> scrawled the following:
Netscape isn't really gone. It has just been transformed into the
vastly bloated new program Firefox. The trend sickens me. Firefox
takes up 100MB of memory just loading itself any more. Feh!
That said, it still beats MS Internet Exploder.
--
...in order that a man may be happy, it is necessary that he should
not only be capable of his work, but a good judge of his work.
-- John Ruskin
Steve Ackman
> Netscape isn't really gone. It has just been transformed into the
> vastly bloated new program Firefox. The trend sickens me. Firefox
> takes up 100MB of memory just loading itself any more. Feh!
I run Pine on the FreeBSD machine while displaying it
on the Debian machine. When I "click" a link, the
browser also fires up on the FreeBSD machine but is
displayed on the Debian machine... so for that, I need
a small, fast, capable browser. These days, midori-0.2.2
is it. From the time I "click" until the time the
browser appears is just over a second. Compare with 8-9
seconds for Firefox 3.5.9
For my purposes, midori seems every bit as capable
as Firefox, (plays Pandora, for instance) yet fits into
a 613KB (source) tarball for FreeBSD, and a 601KB
(binary) .deb package for Debian.
The W$ version is a 7.3 MEGAbyte download...
http://www.twotoasts.de/index.php?/pages/midori_summary.html
--
☯☯
Gunner Asch
>On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:28:20 -0600, the infamous Lewis Hartswick
><lhart...@earthlink.net> scrawled the following:
>
>>Pete C. wrote:
>>> The mail and newsreader component of Netscape Communicator, Netscape
>>> Messenger *is not* a browser, it is a separate component. Netscape
>>> Navigator is the browser. Netscape Composer (HTML editor) is also a
>>> component of the Netscape Communicator package. I've tried a number of
>>> other newsreaders and none of them handle as well as Netscape Messenger
>>> for browsing newsgroups.
>>With the (evidently) demise of Netscape (which I used for many
>>years) someone put me on to SeaMonkey which is a development
>>of Netscape and behaves the same way for browsing but does
>>now work with some of the "movie things" that didn't on my
>>Netscape. So that is what I've been using for a year or so
>>now.
>
>Netscape isn't really gone. It has just been transformed into the
>vastly bloated new program Firefox. The trend sickens me. Firefox
>takes up 100MB of memory just loading itself any more. Feh!
>That said, it still beats MS Internet Exploder.
"Chrome" seems to work well enough if you need something high speed and
of minimal size.
Gunner
Ive tried the Apple Safari...which I didnt much care for..but it did
work
DoN. Nichols
> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 05:51:33 -0700, Larry Jaques
><lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote:
[ ... ]
>>Netscape isn't really gone. It has just been transformed into the
>>vastly bloated new program Firefox. The trend sickens me. Firefox
>>takes up 100MB of memory just loading itself any more. Feh!
>>That said, it still beats MS Internet Exploder.
>
> "Chrome" seems to work well enough if you need something high speed and
> of minimal size.
>
> Gunner
>
> Ive tried the Apple Safari...which I didnt much care for..but it did
> work
I like Opera as a browser -- though I don't use *any* browser
for usenet news.
Chrome is not an option for Suns running Solaris, and I'm not
sure whether it is available for the Mac OS-X yet or not.
O.K. For OS-X -- but only 10.5 or later, and I'm stuck with
10.4 for running some other things which need 10.4 or older. The
machine is only a Mac Mini (little cube with no keybord or monitor, but
I've got both which switch between that machine and several Suns. :-)
Pete C.
Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:28:20 -0600, the infamous Lewis Hartswick
> <lhart...@earthlink.net> scrawled the following:
>
> >Pete C. wrote:
> >> The mail and newsreader component of Netscape Communicator, Netscape
> >> Messenger *is not* a browser, it is a separate component. Netscape
> >> Navigator is the browser. Netscape Composer (HTML editor) is also a
> >> component of the Netscape Communicator package. I've tried a number of
> >> other newsreaders and none of them handle as well as Netscape Messenger
> >> for browsing newsgroups.
> >With the (evidently) demise of Netscape (which I used for many
> >years) someone put me on to SeaMonkey which is a development
> >of Netscape and behaves the same way for browsing but does
> >now work with some of the "movie things" that didn't on my
> >Netscape. So that is what I've been using for a year or so
> >now.
>
> Netscape isn't really gone. It has just been transformed into the
> vastly bloated new program Firefox. The trend sickens me. Firefox
> takes up 100MB of memory just loading itself any more. Feh!
> That said, it still beats MS Internet Exploder.
Firefox crashes at least daily for me. Nothing else on the system has
problems, just Firefox. I'm not particularly thrilled with it obviously.
IE works just fine of course.
Michael A. Terrell
Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> Netscape isn't really gone. It has just been transformed into the
> vastly bloated new program Firefox. The trend sickens me. Firefox
> takes up 100MB of memory just loading itself any more. Feh!
> That said, it still beats MS Internet Exploder.
Netscape 4.80 is using 57,912 K right now, just to read newsgroups.
Larry Jaques
<aux3....@snet.net> scrawled the following:
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>> Netscape isn't really gone. It has just been transformed into the
>> vastly bloated new program Firefox. The trend sickens me. Firefox
>> takes up 100MB of memory just loading itself any more. Feh!
>> That said, it still beats MS Internet Exploder.
>
>Firefox crashes at least daily for me. Nothing else on the system has
>problems, just Firefox. I'm not particularly thrilled with it obviously.
>IE works just fine of course.
Interesting. You're the very first person I've heard that from.
You're on a Windows box, hopefully not Vista?
Pete C.
Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:19:05 -0500, the infamous "Pete C."
> <aux3....@snet.net> scrawled the following:
>
> >Larry Jaques wrote:
> >> Netscape isn't really gone. It has just been transformed into the
> >> vastly bloated new program Firefox. The trend sickens me. Firefox
> >> takes up 100MB of memory just loading itself any more. Feh!
> >> That said, it still beats MS Internet Exploder.
> >
> >Firefox crashes at least daily for me. Nothing else on the system has
> >problems, just Firefox. I'm not particularly thrilled with it obviously.
> >IE works just fine of course.
>
> Interesting. You're the very first person I've heard that from.
> You're on a Windows box, hopefully not Vista?
It's on a Win7 box. I've heard of a few other people having Firefox
issues, not sure what versions they are on.
Pete C.
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:
>
> Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> >
> > Netscape isn't really gone. It has just been transformed into the
> > vastly bloated new program Firefox. The trend sickens me. Firefox
> > takes up 100MB of memory just loading itself any more. Feh!
> > That said, it still beats MS Internet Exploder.
>
> Netscape 4.80 is using 57,912 K right now, just to read newsgroups.
Was 11,104 K here until I went to reply to this message and then it went
to 11,248 K. This is on a Win2K box.