http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/WHhealth20100222.pdf
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
"Expecting a carjacker, rapist or drug pusher to care that his
possession or use of a gun is unlawful is like expecting a terrorist
to care that his car bomb is taking up two parking spaces."
--Joseph T. Chew
It's still socialism:
"The House and Senate bills require individuals who have affordable
options but who choose to remain uninsured to make a payment to offset
the cost of care they will inevitably need."
Socialism: benevolence through compulsion.
This program eliminates choice and attacks liberty. It is a disgusting
affront to those that love and treasure freedom.
Actually, it isn't Obama's idea. It was 21 Republican Senators who
introduced it in 1993:
"But the summary of the Republican bill from the Clinton era and the
Democratic bills that passed the House and Senate over the past few months
are startlingly alike.
"Beyond the requirement that everyone have insurance, both call for
purchasing pools and standardized insurance plans. Both call for a ban on
insurers denying coverage or raising premiums because a person has been sick
in the past."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123670612
It's been an element of nearly every health care reform proposal since 1915,
and the reason is always the same. As a Republican economic advisor put it:
"One reason the individual mandate appealed to conservatives is because it
called for individual responsibility to address what economists call the
'free-rider effect.' That's the fact that if a person is in an accident or
comes down with a dread disease, that person is going to get medical care,
and someone is going to pay for it.
"'We called this responsible national health insurance,' says Pauly. 'There
was a kind of an ethical and moral support for the notion that people
shouldn't be allowed to free-ride on the charity of fellow citizens.'"
Four of the Republican Senators who co-signed that bill are still in the
Senate today. And Orrin Hatch (R-UT), who opposes it vociferously now, was
one of those who voted for the bill.
Everyone in Congress knows that you can't have universal coverage without
mandatory coverage, for reasons that should be obvious. Conservatives have
voted in favor of it in the past. But it's an issue with which they think
they can get some political leverage, so they're opposed to it now.
Once you have a plan that covers everyone, anyone who opts out is, as those
conservatives said, a "free rider."
--
Ed Huntress
What about the meeting with the Republicans? Just a show? Hmmm. Obammy
also said he would pass it with 51 votes. Can he find 51 Senators willing
to fall on the grenade with him?
Can Tommy find Gunner a job?
Can Tommy find his company records?
Can Tommy find his butt with both hands?
Not so far.
Laugh...laugh...laugh..
TMT
Agreed.
Everyone paying higher premiums have the Repubicans to thank for it.
In a way I hope that the health care efforts go nowhere...and then the
Republicans can explain why the health care system crashed.
TMT
> What about the meeting with the Republicans?
Still scheduled, let them suggest their amendments to this proposal,
you've gotta start somewhere. They have 3 days to read and plan their
response...Plenty of time considering the staffs available.
> Just a show?
Probably more like a devastating embarrassment to the repubs. like the
meeting at their retreat was....
> Hmmm. Obammy
> also said he would pass it with 51 votes.
Wow, what a cute little bit of racism you slipped in there, are you proud?
> Can he find 51 Senators willing
> to fall on the grenade with him?
Once Americans learn the truth about what is in the bill and what the
Repubs want to cut, it'll pass with 65...
Oh, well, it's Obama's. Not the House bill or the Senate's......Obama's.
And it is all there for all to see. ;)
In a way I'd like to see the republicans take over a majority in
congress just to see what they would do about health care reform.
Remember, the republicans only lost power a short time ago, but when
they had the chance they did not one thing to address the health care
problems. So if they got power again would they do the same thing again?
Or would they come up with some sham of a plan that does nothing but
curtail tort cases? It would almost be worth it to see them having to
deal with health care for once. Almost. But since giving them power
again would allow them to make a mess of things again like they just did
when they were the majority party, I'd never want them to get their
hands on the levers of government again. The last time they nearly
destroyed us. What they would do next time is to frightening to contemplate.
Hawke
Not so far.
Laugh...laugh...laugh..
TMT
**************************************
What records? I use an MP3 player.
I did ask my for you lawyer as you asked. He said bestiality is ILLEGAL in
your state. So, you have to move if you want to legally keep having sex
with farm animals. Also, your mom called and pleaded with me to convince
you to wear pants while in her trailer, your leaving skid-marks on her
furniture and you smell like a farm animal...gee, I wonder why? She says
that you owe her part of your cheese-check, you drank-up all her 40s and
smoked all her pot while she was entertaining your new "uncle". She also
said she's not filling the tires on the trailer to move to a state where you
can diddle sheep without getting arrested again. Lastly, NO, I will not
write a letter to your parole officer saying I offered you a job. You'll
never get another job as sheppard after what you did the last time. And
don't apply to any more morgues, the word is out and you've been blackballed
in that industry too.
Racism? Oh, of course...I don't agree with Obammy so it must be racism.
Typical libtard response. Good luck with your socialist agenda, America
doesn't want it...you must be so proud! Kool-Aid tastes good! Drink it up!
Any bets on 65 votes? I didn't think so, so stfu.
You actually think the left won't be eviscerated in the upcoming elections?
Good for you! Most of America doesn't want the democrats' HC bill and
doesn't trust them. I hope the dems DO jam it through, there won't be a
single democrat seat safe unless they voted against it. They will be a
third party for the next fifty years, behind the Loosertarians.
You mean the one he and "the Democrats" don't have???
Dan
No benevolence at all. I guess you would have these people sign a
document requiring health care providers refuse them care since they
will not be able to pay for said care?
> This program eliminates choice and attacks liberty.
Bullshit.
> It is a disgusting
> affront to those that love and treasure freedom.
So why are you upset?
Dipshit.
Dan
Correct...they had EIGHT years to do something...and did NOTHING.
The Party of (NO)THING.
TMT
Got a list of Ohio Brush customers?
I could provide a link to them of your above comments.
I suspect that they would find it interesting.
Laugh..laugh...laugh..
TMT
Tom is a racist.
I would think his Government customers would want to know that they
are dealing with a confirmed racist.
TMT
You mean like the right was in 2006 and 2008?
Laugh..laugh...laugh...
TMT
Actually, America does want it. Only mindless morons like you who
blindly accept the right wing propaganda machine as truthful don't
accept what is in our future.
Laugh..laugh...laugh...
TMT
Yep, run those fiscally irresponsible shitheads out too.
Laugh..laugh...laugh..
TMT
I already forwarded it to them...they hate you and you ilk too!
"Buerste" <bue...@buerste.com> wrote in message
news:s4Ggn.9671$Ab2....@newsfe23.iad...
Which one of TMT's moms moved into a trailer? Trouble in paradise?
Tom is a racist.
TMT
********************************
Since you are your own race, I hate your whole race, that makes me a racist!
Shouldn't that be up to the health care giver?
When I'm asked for donations I have a choice to say yes or no.
> > This program eliminates choice and attacks liberty.
>
> Bullshit.
I raise your bullshit two turds and call.
> > It is a disgusting
> > affront to those that love and treasure freedom.
>
> So why are you upset?
>
> Dipshit.
>
> Dan
Why do you put uncle sam up to rifleing through my belongings?
-snip-
> hands on the levers of government again. The last time they nearly
> destroyed us. What they would do next time is to frightening to
> contemplate.
>
> Hawke
i think the jury is still out as to whether or not they destroyed us.
b.w.
I see you don't read much, and what you do read you don't understand. Can
you read? Good thing you have the pamphlet that tell you what to think.
They use small words in the pamphlet, don't they? Do you get in on tape
because you don't read? Good for you, pretending you have a brain. Does
the pamphlet tell you how smart you are? Good for you! Your ignorance must
be blissful! Have your mommy read this to you, I'm sorry if I used big
words.
So you do have that customer list?
Post it here so we can laugh at both of them.
TMT
Come on Tommy...be honest and let the Government know that they are
dealing with a racist.
TMT
How did you get out of the Bozo Bin?
Back in you go for another month...
--
Regards, Curly
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Democrat Party: A Bridge to Nowhere
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TMT
*************************************************
Yea right, you keep hanging on everything I post. Your infatuation is
rebuked. No I won't send the pictures of me that you asked for. I don't
like you, NOBODY likes you, you are just another Libtard idiot living on
your monthly cheese-check and what ever you steal. Does your parole officer
know about the things you do? Post his phone number. How did that work out
for you with the bottle of Viagra and your Obammy poster? Did you have it
plastic coated?
I wonder what your customers would say if they knew they were dealing
with a racist?
It could easily be arranged.
How about those company records you offered?
TMT
Poor little Tommy.
What's the matter...aren't you used to someone standing up to a bully
like you.
TMT
>> Actually, America does want it. Only mindless morons like you who
>> blindly accept the right wing propaganda machine as truthful don't
>> accept what is in our future.
>
>I see you don't read much, and what you do read you don't understand. Can
>you read? Good thing you have the pamphlet that tell you what to think.
>They use small words in the pamphlet, don't they? Do you get in on tape
>because you don't read? Good for you, pretending you have a brain. Does
>the pamphlet tell you how smart you are? Good for you! Your ignorance must
>be blissful! Have your mommy read this to you, I'm sorry if I used big
>words.
>
>
Hey you ignorant little toady, the public does want it. Independent
polling showed well over 60 percent support reform with a public
option. Then the corporatists from the insurance monopoly pulled all
the stops out of the lie machine and got Rasmussen and Gallup
(notorious right wing liars) to claim it didn't. And you morons
believed them.
Who says they can't pay for their care? What kind of a red herring is that?
>> This program eliminates choice and attacks liberty.
>
> ***.
It sure does. Can you counter substantively?
>> It is a disgusting affront to those that love and treasure freedom.
>
> So why are you upset?
>
> ***.
Your response is very slight on substance.
TMT
***********************************
Mention Viagra and Obammy posters and look who shows up! I thought you were
only into farm animals and dead people?
Poor little Tommy.
TMT
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That's what you call standing up? The only time you "stand up" is behind a
sheep!
You should try reading something other than Kos and Huffington and
Move-On...oh, never mind...they use small words that you can sound out most
of the time. Are you a liar or just stupid?
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/12/16/2153563.aspx
Are you a liar or just plain stupid? Have you ever read anything other than
Kos, Huffington and Move-On? I didn't think so, they use small words that
you can sound out most of the time. Kool-Aid poisoning? Sure sounds like
it! Stop drinking it!
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/01/11/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry6084856.shtml
http://www.gallup.com/poll/125327/majority-favors-suspending-work-healthcare-bill.aspx
http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/archives/187851.asp
>
> Hey you ignorant little toady, the public does want it. Independent
> polling showed well over 60 percent support reform with a public
> option. Then the corporatists from the insurance monopoly pulled all
> the stops out of the lie machine and got Rasmussen and Gallup
> (notorious right wing liars) to claim it didn't. And you morons
> believed them.
So what notorious left wing liars are the polls that say the public
does want it?
You surely don't believe we are going to just take your word, when
there are polls that show the public does not want reform with a
public option.
Dan
Show us one, Dan.
--
Ed Huntress
> RD (The Sandman) wrote:
>> Here is the Obama Healthplan proposal for Thursday's meeting.
>>
>> http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/WHhealth20100222.pdf
>>
>
> You mean the one he and "the Democrats" don't have???
??
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
"Expecting a carjacker, rapist or drug pusher to care that his
possession or use of a gun is unlawful is like expecting a terrorist
to care that his car bomb is taking up two parking spaces."
--Joseph T. Chew
> Peter Franks wrote:
>> RD (The Sandman) wrote:
>>> Here is the Obama Healthplan proposal for Thursday's meeting.
>>>
>>> http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/WHhealth20100222.pdf
>>
>> It's still socialism:
>>
>> "The House and Senate bills require individuals who have affordable
>> options but who choose to remain uninsured to make a payment to offset
>> the cost of care they will inevitably need."
>>
>> Socialism: benevolence through compulsion.
>
> No benevolence at all. I guess you would have these people sign a
> document requiring health care providers refuse them care since they
> will not be able to pay for said care?
They can always go to ERs via EMTALA, the Emergency Medical Treatment and
Active Labor Act of 1986
>> This program eliminates choice and attacks liberty.
>
> Bullshit.
That was a clear and defining rebuttal. ;)
>> It is a disgusting
>> affront to those that love and treasure freedom.
>
> So why are you upset?
>
> Dipshit.
As was this.
Subject: "Why have the Democrats suddenly hallted work on Solving the
Health Care Crisis?" [sic]
The discussion thread has been going on in this/these newsgroup(s)for
quite a few days...
Dan
Just wondered why it was directed to me since I hadn't made the claim you
questioning.
Well you are a liar and stupid.
Since you are slow I will repeat it.
You are a liar and stupid.
Be sure to have your dog read my comments to you so you understand the
big words.
TMT
Snicker...you can produce all these "polls" but can't come up with
those records?
Idiot.
TMT
I would like to see that special poll too.
Everyone I have seen says the American people want health reform NOW.
TMT
Wanna bet he has socialize medicine named Medicare?
TMT
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cdcf0c0d-6b1d-4c3c...@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
Please give some details about how you could arrange that. I'm just curious.
Would it involve your two mommies?
>Well you are a liar and stupid.
>
>Since you are slow I will repeat it.
>
>You are a liar and stupid.
>
>Be sure to have your dog read my comments to you so you understand the
>big words.
You don't seriously think that any dog that can read would hang around
with a moron like him, do you?
>
>TMT
He wouldn't have black balls if he bathed more often.
--
Greed is the root of all eBay.
It's a good thing he talked the Medicare people into buying him that
lift chair.
I'm waiting for the day when he makes an actual threat. He just looks
stupid now but you know how those Libtard Douchebaggers can go off the
reservation. But he has no resources other than this month's cheese-check
and that has to go for pot and 40s....and Viagra and Obammy posters.
...and shepherd's boots!
Idiot.
TMT
***************************************
33 or 45 RPM? Escrow? Douchebagger Libtard!
You'll have to ask Tommy and his two Daddies...they are his records
that he can't find.
TMT
Medicare? Oh...that socialized medicine for old farts and Repubicans.
TMT
Don't forget the seat belt, so he doesn't fall out of that motorized
chair. No one would want to clean up the mess if he fell on the floor.
I suspect that the dog is a sex slave.
It is obvious that Tommy is into beastiality...a Republican pastime
apparently when posting on Usenet isn't enough of a distraction from
running a failing business.
TMT
LOL..unlike you who does threaten others?
And lies about a job for Gunner.
Found those company records yet that you promised?
Check your restroom...and the toilet paper being used there.
TMT
So how do you like yours?
Hawke
We are still waiting for those records...and the polls.
TMT
The funny thing about it is that the current news has rendered the
subject moot. Health care is front and center of the news every day now.
Obama has his new health proposals, Reid and Pelosi are trying to figure
out how to get the bill passed through reconciliation, Obama is meeting
with republicans to discuss the issue on TV in a couple of days, and all
the talk is of health care reform. So much for the relevance of the
topic of this thread. It just proves that a winger started the thread
and as usual his premise was wrong to start with. Health care reform has
not been forgotten, has it? This time it's never going away until it
gets passed.
Hawke
Well said.
And those double digit increases in health premiums will keep in front
and center with the American people.
TMT
Nope. That wasn't what Dan said, nor what I was questioning. He said "there
are polls that show the public does not want reform with a
public option."
Have you found one? I haven't. In fact, they're all saying the opposite:
http://www.newsweek.com/media/84/1001_ftop_v2.pdf#page=5 (50% favor; 42%
oppose)
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/14/health.care.poll/index.html (54%
favor; 46% oppose)
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5B20OL20091203 (60% favor; 40% oppose)
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/wsjnbc-10272009.pdf (48%
favor; 42% oppose)
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/21/rel15f.pdf (61% favor; 38%
oppose)
http://abcnews.go.com/images/PollingUnit/1095a2HealthCareandPolitics.pdf
(57% favor; 40% oppose)
http://www.gallup.com/poll/123782/In-U.S.-39-Say-View-Healthcare-Depends-Details.aspx
(50% favor, 46% oppose)
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_Obama_120909.pdf?tag=contentMain;contentBody
(59% favor; 29% oppose)
--
Ed Huntress
"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7e19842f-220d-4a53...@g17g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------��---
>> >> > The Democrat Party: A Bridge to Nowhere
>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------��---
I was asking about how you would spread the rumors to his customers about
his being a racist. Give some details about how you would spread those
rumors, and how much money you think you would cost him by your actions.
Would your two mommies be spreading those rumors too? Who owns the home you
live in, your mommy, or your other mommy?
Not directed AT you, your post was just the one I caught to reply to.
Sorry for the confusion. Often I erase all text, but I did not this
time, since you had a nice link (thanks).
Dan
> RD (The Sandman) wrote:
>> Dan <dnad...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:19_gn.14588$Dv7....@newsfe17.iad:
>>
>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote:
>>>> Dan <dnad...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:ouGgn.8242$ND2....@newsfe05.iad:
>>>>
>>>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote:
>>>>>> Here is the Obama Healthplan proposal for Thursday's meeting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/WHhealth20100222.
>>>>>> pd f
>>>>>>
>>>>> You mean the one he and "the Democrats" don't have???
>>>> ??
>>> Subject: "Why have the Democrats suddenly hallted work on Solving
>>> the Health Care Crisis?" [sic]
>>>
>>> The discussion thread has been going on in this/these
>>> newsgroup(s)for quite a few days...
>>
>> Just wondered why it was directed to me since I hadn't made the claim
>> you questioning.
>
> Not directed AT you, your post was just the one I caught to reply to.
>
> Sorry for the confusion. Often I erase all text, but I did not this
> time, since you had a nice link (thanks).
No problem........lots of things going on....it gets confusing sometime
who said what.
"Deucalion" <som...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:f0nao5hdu12cqa17i...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:14:22 -0800, Peter Franks <no...@none.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Dan wrote:
>>> Peter Franks wrote:
>>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote:
>>>>> Here is the Obama Healthplan proposal for Thursday's meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/WHhealth20100222.pdf
>>>>
>>>> It's still socialism:
>>>>
>>>> "The House and Senate bills require individuals who have affordable
>>>> options but who choose to remain uninsured to make a payment to offset
>>>> the cost of care they will inevitably need."
>>>>
>>>> Socialism: benevolence through compulsion.
>>>
>>> No benevolence at all. I guess you would have these people sign a
>>> document requiring health care providers refuse them care since they
>>> will not be able to pay for said care?
>>
>>Who says they can't pay for their care? What kind of a red herring is
>>that?
>
> I take it that you never talked to gunner?
I have. He said to tell you that you are still a douche bag.
If Tommy had two brain cells to rub together he would realize that
some of his customers read the Usenet.
Tommy isn't much of a businessman...nor much of an American.
TMT
Oh...I should add that it is not a rumor but a fact that Tommy is a
racist.
TMT
Ed...I think little Tommy's problem with Obama's health care effort is
if passed, Tommy is going to have to come up with health care for his
slaves..err...I mean workers.
TMT
LOL...looks like the lack of response from Tommy that I hit it on the
head.
TMT
TMT
We all have Kaiser and are happy with it. Where's my escrow?