FS Dayton MIG welder 225A
Ignoramus21294
This is a pretty decent Dayton MIG and it might even include a gas tank of
UNKNOWN PROVENANCE.
http://yabe.algebra.com/~ichudov/misc/ebay/Dayton-5Z136A-5Z136-MIG_Welder/
Historically, I was able to sell most things offered here, for more
than I am asking in this newsgroup.
Price valid for newsgroup participants only, do not say "I saw it on
rittercnc" or something.
i
Gunner Asch
Looks like someone is going to get a hell of a deal.
Gunner
"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
liberal democracies who by giving moral and material support
to a totalitarian ideology in effect were braiding the rope that
would hang them. Why people who enjoyed freedom and prosperity worked
passionately to destroy both is a fascinating question, one still with us
today. Now the useful idiots can be found in the chorus of appeasement,
reflexive anti-Americanism, and sentimental idealism trying to inhibit
the necessary responses to another freedom-hating ideology, radical Islam"
Bruce C. Thornton, a professor of Classics at American University of Cal State Fresno
Ignoramus21294
> On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:33:16 -0500, Ignoramus21294
><ignoram...@NOSPAM.21294.invalid> wrote:
>
>>$300 CASH ON PICKUP price only. More if shipped/paid by check.
>>
>>This is a pretty decent Dayton MIG and it might even include a gas tank of
>>UNKNOWN PROVENANCE.
>>
>>http://yabe.algebra.com/~ichudov/misc/ebay/Dayton-5Z136A-5Z136-MIG_Welder/
>>
>>Historically, I was able to sell most things offered here, for more
>>than I am asking in this newsgroup.
>>
>>Price valid for newsgroup participants only, do not say "I saw it on
>>rittercnc" or something.
>>
>>i
>
> Looks like someone is going to get a hell of a deal.
Thanks... I do not really mind... I will pick that stuff up soon and
will test it.
i
Gunner Asch
If Id had any money in the bank..Id be doing what you are doing..and I
could make a decent living.
Shrug
Ignoramus21294
> On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:59:50 -0500, Ignoramus21294
><ignoram...@NOSPAM.21294.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2009-10-20, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:33:16 -0500, Ignoramus21294
>>><ignoram...@NOSPAM.21294.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>$300 CASH ON PICKUP price only. More if shipped/paid by check.
>>>>
>>>>This is a pretty decent Dayton MIG and it might even include a gas tank of
>>>>UNKNOWN PROVENANCE.
>>>>
>>>>http://yabe.algebra.com/~ichudov/misc/ebay/Dayton-5Z136A-5Z136-MIG_Welder/
>>>>
>>>>Historically, I was able to sell most things offered here, for more
>>>>than I am asking in this newsgroup.
>>>>
>>>>Price valid for newsgroup participants only, do not say "I saw it on
>>>>rittercnc" or something.
>>>>
>>>>i
>>>
>>> Looks like someone is going to get a hell of a deal.
>>
>>Thanks... I do not really mind... I will pick that stuff up soon and
>>will test it.
>
> could make a decent living.
Sell your stuff and you will have money.
i
Ignoramus21294
> could make a decent living.
If I had a warehouse and a forklift, and more time, I could make some
serious dough. Today auction could easily have worked out to $10k
profit, for instance
i
Gunner Asch
....you dont have a forklift?????
Why the hell not?
They are as cheap as dirt.
Gunner
Pete C.
Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:27:09 -0500, Ignoramus21294
> <ignoram...@NOSPAM.21294.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On 2009-10-21, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
> >> If Id had any money in the bank..Id be doing what you are doing..and I
> >> could make a decent living.
> >
> >If I had a warehouse and a forklift, and more time, I could make some
> >serious dough. Today auction could easily have worked out to $10k
> >profit, for instance
> >
> >i
> ....you dont have a forklift?????
>
> Why the hell not?
>
> They are as cheap as dirt.
Often dirt (as in good clean topsoil) is a more expensive.
I expect you could rent a warehouse and a forklift pretty reasonably if
you had some ambition.
Gunner Asch
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>
Ive passed up at least 4 forklifts in the last 30 days. None more than
$1800. Most less than 10 yrs old.
http://cgi.ebay.com/CLARK-5000-lbs-Fork-lift_W0QQitemZ140352416064QQcmdZViewItemQQptZForklifts_Other_Lifts?hash=item20ada7e940
http://cgi.ebay.com/NISSAN-TCM-3000LB-FORKLIFT-PNEUMATIC-210-TRIPLE-LIFT_W0QQitemZ110446616704QQcmdZViewItemQQptZForklifts_Other_Lifts?hash=item19b721a080
http://cgi.ebay.com/MAST-FORKLIFT_W0QQitemZ120480965292QQcmdZViewItemQQptZForklifts_Other_Lifts?hash=item1c0d39a2ac
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1995-Nissan-Fork-Lift-Propane-NO-RESERVE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4149afed15QQitemZ280409140501QQptZOtherQ5fVehiclesQ5fEverythingQ5fElse
http://cgi.ebay.com/Forklift-Mitsubishi-FG20-1991-4-000_W0QQitemZ270472726801QQcmdZViewItemQQptZForklifts_Other_Lifts?hash=item3ef96e4911
http://cgi.ebay.com/Yale-Fork-Lift_W0QQitemZ120481340467QQcmdZViewItemQQptZForklifts_Other_Lifts?hash=item1c0d3f5c33
If I were Iggy..Id look for a 3000 lb semi soft tired propane forklit.
He could snag one really cheaply if he wanted one, Im sure..the guy is
almost as good as me at picking up Stuff <G>
Like this one...
Or one LIKE this one...this one is pricey
http://cgi.ebay.com/5-000LB-TCM-ROUGH-TERRAIN-PROPANE-FORKLIFT_W0QQitemZ330369759947QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSkid_Steel_Loaders?hash=item4ceb927acb
Larry Jaques
<gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> scrawled the following:
>If I were Iggy..Id look for a 3000 lb semi soft tired propane forklit.
>He could snag one really cheaply if he wanted one, Im sure..the guy is
>almost as good as me at picking up Stuff <G>
>
>Like this one...
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/3000-toyota-forklift-no-reserve_W0QQitemZ180421182784QQcmdZViewItemQQptZForklifts_Other_Lifts?hash=item2a01f0c540
Wow, cheap!
>Or one LIKE this one...this one is pricey
>http://cgi.ebay.com/5-000LB-TCM-ROUGH-TERRAIN-PROPANE-FORKLIFT_W0QQitemZ330369759947QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSkid_Steel_Loaders?hash=item4ceb927acb
What's a "solid pneumatic" tire, Gunner? Maybe an air-filled tire
which froze in IL?
Here's the one I'd like, were I a banker like Ig. http://fwd4.me/0o1
---
A book burrows into your life in a very profound way
because the experience of reading is not passive.
--Erica Jong
Gunner Asch
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:58:11 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
><gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> scrawled the following:
>
>>If I were Iggy..Id look for a 3000 lb semi soft tired propane forklit.
>>He could snag one really cheaply if he wanted one, Im sure..the guy is
>>almost as good as me at picking up Stuff <G>
>>
>>Like this one...
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/3000-toyota-forklift-no-reserve_W0QQitemZ180421182784QQcmdZViewItemQQptZForklifts_Other_Lifts?hash=item2a01f0c540
>
>Wow, cheap!
Older forklifts that arent going to be driven 8 hours a day are
perfectly fine for what Iggy needs, and Ive seen em as low as $400
recently here in California. Im aware of one that was simply given away
for providing lunch to the crew cleaning out the factory. A late 90s
Toyota 8000 pounder. Then the poor bastard had to have it
moved...ROFLMAO
Ive got a mid 1980s Linde/Baker 3000 pounder (1500 hrs)..actually has a
volkswagon engine in it (german forklift) and 18" tires. I took a router
and recut some tread on them..badly worn so it works fine for me. Ive
got no concrete at my place..its all dirt. It originally came from the
City of Los Angeles..and based on the rust on only one side..likely came
from someplace near the ocean. Needs the carby rebuilt..hard to
start..but once it warms up..runs quite well.
>
>
>>Or one LIKE this one...this one is pricey
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/5-000LB-TCM-ROUGH-TERRAIN-PROPANE-FORKLIFT_W0QQitemZ330369759947QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSkid_Steel_Loaders?hash=item4ceb927acb
>
>What's a "solid pneumatic" tire, Gunner? Maybe an air-filled tire
>which froze in IL?
Actually they are a large diameter solid tire with a very soft core
material. If you are off road..in the dirt..driveway etc etc..they are
what you need as the thin profile tires are only good on concrete. If it
sinks an inch..you are stuck. And moving a stuck 7000-15000 lb
forklift..isnt easy. My Baker/Linde has had a Simplex jack and 2x6s
under it more than once. And when it rains...it stays parked. Lots of
clay in my town.....
>
>Here's the one I'd like, were I a banker like Ig. http://fwd4.me/0o1
>
Try to move something around inside the shop with it. Those are nice if
you are doing outside construction..but they dont carry as much as you
would think and they cannot be used to move stuff around the average
homestead. And it weighs 21,000 pounds...10 tons. Damned hard to put
that puppy on a trailer and haul it around..unless you have an 18
wheeler in the back yard as well as a flat bed.
Gunner
>---
>A book burrows into your life in a very profound way
>because the experience of reading is not passive.
> --Erica Jong
"Lenin called them "useful idiots," those people living in
Martin H. Eastburn
When a kid over seas - we had Hysters that could lean wheels over to move around
on narrow docks and pick up shipper containers like nothing.
They were cool in working and looks.
Martin
Ignoramus3519
This is now a second time when a craigslist buyer talks to me, then
finds my rec.crafts.metalworking ads on some asshole web spamming
website, like rittercnc or groupsrv.com, and then says "but you are
offering it for less somewhere else".
Well, yeah, but not to you, buddy.
So, no more offers here.
i
Larry Jaques
RCM only
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:50:52 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus3519
<ignora...@NOSPAM.3519.invalid> scrawled the following:
Whoa! Why blame and punish us for their digressions, Ig?
So tell them the truth. You offer a discount to your buddies here,
not to slimy assholes who whine at you. Cut -them- off, not us, eh?
Gunner Asch
Iggy...Im not at all shy about offering things for less to friends and
accomplishes <G> then I am to outsiders.
And if anyone asks..thats what I tell them. While it is for sale less
to friends and accomplishes..you are neither so the price is $x
If they dont want to buy it at that price..or a price Im willing to
bargain down to..they dont have to buy it.
And Im always clear on this if the subject comes up.
Doesnt seem to prevent any sales.
Gunner
"Upon Roosevelt's death in 1945, H. L. Mencken predicted in his diary
that Roosevelt would be remembered as a great president, "maybe even
alongside Washington and Lincoln," opining that Roosevelt "had every
quality that morons esteem in their heroes.""
Ignoramus3519
>
> RCM only
>
>
> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:50:52 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus3519
><ignora...@NOSPAM.3519.invalid> scrawled the following:
>
>>The offer is WITHDRAWN.
>>
>>This is now a second time when a craigslist buyer talks to me, then
>>finds my rec.crafts.metalworking ads on some asshole web spamming
>>website, like rittercnc or groupsrv.com, and then says "but you are
>>offering it for less somewhere else".
>>
>>Well, yeah, but not to you, buddy.
>>
>>So, no more offers here.
>
> Whoa! Why blame and punish us for their digressions, Ig?
>
> So tell them the truth. You offer a discount to your buddies here,
> not to slimy assholes who whine at you. Cut -them- off, not us, eh?
That's what I told him, in a polite fashion, and his answer was "then
I am not buying".
I thought for a moment that I could get away with using X-No-Archive,
but realized that it my messages will be quoted in replies, anyway.
i
Ignoramus3519
> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:50:52 -0500, Ignoramus3519
><ignora...@NOSPAM.3519.invalid> wrote:
>
>>The offer is WITHDRAWN.
>>
>>This is now a second time when a craigslist buyer talks to me, then
>>finds my rec.crafts.metalworking ads on some asshole web spamming
>>website, like rittercnc or groupsrv.com, and then says "but you are
>>offering it for less somewhere else".
>>
>>Well, yeah, but not to you, buddy.
>>
>>So, no more offers here.
>>
>>i
>
> Iggy...Im not at all shy about offering things for less to friends and
> accomplishes <G> then I am to outsiders.
>
> And if anyone asks..thats what I tell them. While it is for sale less
> to friends and accomplishes..you are neither so the price is $x
>
> If they dont want to buy it at that price..or a price Im willing to
> bargain down to..they dont have to buy it.
>
> And Im always clear on this if the subject comes up.
>
> Doesnt seem to prevent any sales.
That's what I told him too, and he bailed out. He seemed to be ready
to buy prior to finding my ad. They he came back to me and said "but
you want less for it, see here". I said, but not to you. And he
bailed. I am not losing my sleep over it, but as it goes, it does seem
detrimental to advertise "friends only" price that is findable by
google.
i
Winston
(...)
> I am not losing my sleep over it, but as it goes, it does seem
> detrimental to advertise "friends only" price that is findable by
> google.
Hey Iggy,
You have the real eMail addresses for lots of RCM'ers yes?
Why not send yourself notice of the deal and bcc: the rest
of us?
--Winston
Ignoramus3519
I think that it is spammy.
i
Gunner Asch
It may take a couple days longer to sell the way you have been doing it
(and many thanks!)..but it all sells.
And you havent even picked it up yet, have you?
Winston
(...)
> I think that it is spammy.
>
> i
Oh.
--Winston
Ignoramus3519
>>i
> It may take a couple days longer to sell the way you have been doing it
> (and many thanks!)..but it all sells.
True.
> And you havent even picked it up yet, have you?
Why, I have picked it up by now. It included a large quantity of
Certanium wire and other MIG wire. The tank is almost full at 2,000
PSI.
i
Don Foreman
<ignora...@NOSPAM.3519.invalid> wrote:
You need not say even that. You're free to accept or reject any offer.
Some years ago I had a GMC Suburban to sell. I advertised it at a
very fair price. A middle-aged man and daughter came to see it. The
guy made a production of extolling the faults of the old truck which
I was offering for 400 bux. He said it wasn't worth nearly that. I
thanked them for stopping by to look.
He said waidaminnit, he demanded a counteroffer from me.
My counteroffer to him was 600 bux.
His young daughter had the look that says "way to go, asshole Dad."
She liked ugly old Black Mariah warts and all.
I sold it the next day for my asked $400. The Chevy 396 engine in
that truck was worth the asked price.
Gunner Asch
Does it run and weld ok?
pyotr filipivich
or about Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:25:55 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:50:52 -0500, Ignoramus3519
><ignora...@NOSPAM.3519.invalid> wrote:
>
>>The offer is WITHDRAWN.
>>
>>This is now a second time when a craigslist buyer talks to me, then
>>finds my rec.crafts.metalworking ads on some asshole web spamming
>>website, like rittercnc or groupsrv.com, and then says "but you are
>>offering it for less somewhere else".
>>
>>Well, yeah, but not to you, buddy.
>>
>>So, no more offers here.
>>
>>i
>
>Iggy...Im not at all shy about offering things for less to friends and
>accomplishes <G> then I am to outsiders.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his
needs.
"Such a deal I wouldn't give my own brother! (Cause he knows where
I live.)"
>And if anyone asks..thats what I tell them. While it is for sale less
>to friends and accomplishes..you are neither so the price is $x
>
>If they dont want to buy it at that price..or a price Im willing to
>bargain down to..they dont have to buy it.
Seems fair to me. Or the system seems fair. It is, after all,
your stuff.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
Ignoramus21020
A cool approach to a common problem, Don
i
Ignoramus21020
> On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:13:11 -0500, Ignoramus3519
><ignora...@NOSPAM.3519.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2009-10-23, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>>>>i
>>> It may take a couple days longer to sell the way you have been doing it
>>> (and many thanks!)..but it all sells.
>>
>>True.
>>
>>> And you havent even picked it up yet, have you?
>>
>>Why, I have picked it up by now. It included a large quantity of
>>Certanium wire and other MIG wire. The tank is almost full at 2,000
>>PSI.
>>
>>i
> Does it run and weld ok?
I have not tried it, but was told that it does. I will try it on
Saturday, hopefully.
i
Larry Jaques
<ignora...@NOSPAM.3519.invalid> scrawled the following:
>On 2009-10-23, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di> wrote:
>>
>> RCM only
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:50:52 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus3519
>><ignora...@NOSPAM.3519.invalid> scrawled the following:
>>
>>>The offer is WITHDRAWN.
>>>
>>>This is now a second time when a craigslist buyer talks to me, then
>>>finds my rec.crafts.metalworking ads on some asshole web spamming
>>>website, like rittercnc or groupsrv.com, and then says "but you are
>>>offering it for less somewhere else".
>>>
>>>Well, yeah, but not to you, buddy.
>>>
>>>So, no more offers here.
>>
>> Whoa! Why blame and punish us for their digressions, Ig?
>>
>> So tell them the truth. You offer a discount to your buddies here,
>> not to slimy assholes who whine at you. Cut -them- off, not us, eh?
>
>That's what I told him, in a polite fashion, and his answer was "then
>I am not buying".
Then a quick "OK, Bye!" <click> is in order, da?
>I thought for a moment that I could get away with using X-No-Archive,
>but realized that it my messages will be quoted in replies, anyway.
True, but xna does kill lots of repeats.
------
We're born hungry, wet, 'n naked, and it gets worse from there.
Ignoramus21020
> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:55:58 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus3519
><ignora...@NOSPAM.3519.invalid> scrawled the following:
>
>>On 2009-10-23, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di> wrote:
>>>
>>> RCM only
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:50:52 -0500, the infamous Ignoramus3519
>>><ignora...@NOSPAM.3519.invalid> scrawled the following:
>>>
>>>>The offer is WITHDRAWN.
>>>>
>>>>This is now a second time when a craigslist buyer talks to me, then
>>>>finds my rec.crafts.metalworking ads on some asshole web spamming
>>>>website, like rittercnc or groupsrv.com, and then says "but you are
>>>>offering it for less somewhere else".
>>>>
>>>>Well, yeah, but not to you, buddy.
>>>>
>>>>So, no more offers here.
>>>
>>> Whoa! Why blame and punish us for their digressions, Ig?
>>>
>>> So tell them the truth. You offer a discount to your buddies here,
>>> not to slimy assholes who whine at you. Cut -them- off, not us, eh?
>>
>>That's what I told him, in a polite fashion, and his answer was "then
>>I am not buying".
>
> Then a quick "OK, Bye!" <click> is in order, da?
Yep
SteveB
"Ignoramus3519" <ignora...@NOSPAM.3519.invalid> wrote in message
news:hqudnZjFQ_sRNH3X...@giganews.com...
Just learn to tell the person to watch out for that doorknob on the way out.
You are doing nothing wrong by offering it for less to friends and
associates. And why do you want to spend more than two seconds listening to
some whiner when the next guy will pay full boat? The guy is obviously bent
if he is going to search through all that to find that information. You
will lose customers if you don't advertise here. And those will be better
customers than this clod and his ilk.
Steve
SteveB
"Ignoramus21020" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.21020.invalid> wrote
>> True, but xna does kill lots of repeats.
In my business, I found that some people were not up to my standards. No
matter what you would do the job for, they could get it for less, even if
that price was less than the cost of materials. You dreaded dealing with
them because of the whiny negotiations. You would not lose much if you lost
those people, and they would probably be replaced with better customers.
Steve
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Indeed. As a business owner..Ive simply refused to work on peoples
machinery and walked away when they started bitching about price. Im
already the lowest price in So Cal. They would often call back a couple
hours later after they called around. Several of them I refused to
return to fix their machines..others Ive fixed. Depends on how big an
asshole they were in the first place.
Which is the main reason one seldom sees middle eastern owned machine
shops in So. Cal. Few people would do repeat business with them after
the first time.
Shrug
Gunner
Steve W.
You just need to develop a simple test for these folks. Tell them if
they are on this group then there is one person they probably have
kill-filed.
If they answer Cliffy, sell them the item, If they answer Gunner, Ed,
Don Tell them to get lost....
Simple.
Or tell them that the door out is the same one they came in....
--
Steve W.
Carl Ijames
way other than reading rcm, just ask them what name they post under and what
their last post was about, and google it up (or not :-)). I can't see this
leading to a flood of one time posters just to get the discount, and even if
it does, maybe some of those newbies will stick.
Oh, since I tend to hijack other's threads it is only fair to hijack my
own - if anyone cares about my previous question on power supplies, I got a
10V50A HP power supply for $12.50 on ebay. Was listed as only going up to
8.4V instead of 10V so sold as not working, for parts. Two of the pics
clearly showed the external wires from the remote sense terminals to the
output terminals were missing so I took a chance and now it works just fine.
-----
Regards,
Carl Ijames
DoN. Nichols
> Oh, since I tend to hijack other's threads it is only fair to hijack my
> own - if anyone cares about my previous question on power supplies, I got a
> 10V50A HP power supply for $12.50 on ebay. Was listed as only going up to
> 8.4V instead of 10V so sold as not working, for parts. Two of the pics
> clearly showed the external wires from the remote sense terminals to the
> output terminals were missing so I took a chance and now it works just fine.
Just what I did with a pair of Power Designs 2005 (20V 5A)
precision power supplies in a shared rack mount panel at a hamfest. I
knew the power supplies well, and saw that the remote sense jumpers on
the back were missing, so I figured that was the only problem. And at
$20.00 for the two, I considered it worth the risk.
Enjoy,
DoN.
--
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--- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---
Ignoramus18829
affordable.
Gunner, Re: your question whether the welder is working: I did check
it, yes, it does. I broke a gas fitting during unloading, will head to
Ace hardware now to replace it.
In fact, it works so well that I started wondering if perhaps I should
just keep it and sell the Millermatic 251.
i
On 2009-10-23, Carl Ijames <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:
Larry Jaques
<old...@depends.com> scrawled the following:
Absolutely! It's better to lose that type of customer than to lose
money servicing them AND lose your reputation by having worked with
them, because that type is never, ever satisfied. Gild the project
and they'd still whine about the glare.
Gunner Asch
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.18829.invalid> wrote:
>Carl, way to go with the power supply. I hope that shipping was
>affordable.
>
>Gunner, Re: your question whether the welder is working: I did check
>it, yes, it does. I broke a gas fitting during unloading, will head to
>Ace hardware now to replace it.
>
>In fact, it works so well that I started wondering if perhaps I should
>just keep it and sell the Millermatic 251.
>
The Miller is a superior machine...now the big question is...which one
will last longer and which one will have parts available longer.
And of course..which one is the most powerful machine. If you
ever...ever see yourself doing bigger welds..which one is the most
powerful?
If the new welder will meet your needs for the next say...5 yrs...and
you can make significantly more money by selling the Miller...shrug
Gunner
>i
>
>On 2009-10-23, Carl Ijames <x...@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> Or only offer the discount to posters here. When they find the link some
>> way other than reading rcm, just ask them what name they post under and what
>> their last post was about, and google it up (or not :-)). I can't see this
>> leading to a flood of one time posters just to get the discount, and even if
>> it does, maybe some of those newbies will stick.
>>
>> Oh, since I tend to hijack other's threads it is only fair to hijack my
>> own - if anyone cares about my previous question on power supplies, I got a
>> 10V50A HP power supply for $12.50 on ebay. Was listed as only going up to
>> 8.4V instead of 10V so sold as not working, for parts. Two of the pics
>> clearly showed the external wires from the remote sense terminals to the
>> output terminals were missing so I took a chance and now it works just fine.
>>
>> -----
>> Regards,
>> Carl Ijames
>>
>>
"Upon Roosevelt's death in 1945, H. L. Mencken predicted in his diary
Ignoramus21577
I also learned something today. He wanted the tank (fine) I asked the
buyer, who lived 50 miles from here, what will he do with a tank with
a local supplier's name on the collar.
He said, GET THIS, that he puts them in his lathe, and simply turns
the collar down on the lathe, so that all lettering is removed. That's
a big MF of a lathe!
i
SteveB
"Ignoramus21577" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.21577.invalid> wrote in message
news:v9KdnUMfgtwF_XvX...@giganews.com...
I altered my bottle by just grinding it smooth, then finishing it with a
sanding disc, then a wire brush @ 14,000 rpm. Sounds like this ain't his
first rodeo.
Steve
Gunner Asch
You dont have access to one? I can go up to 26"....through the
spindle...
Okuma LN6.... <G>
Gunner
Winston
Sounds self-defeating to me.
I've had N+1 cylinders traded in, swapped, filled, hydrotested etc.
through several different suppliers, with not one issue about ownership,
ever. The most I ever did was wipe the dust off the outside with a
dampened cloth. This includes a couple auction bottles known to be out
of hydro.
Turning down the collar would make a perfectly acceptable trade-in
hinky, yes? I don't get it.
--Winston
--
"Intellectually, I understand that you've treated iCorp with nothing but
kindness and generosity. Still, I'm gripped with this... discomfort.
(Pine trees and tiny glass beads affect me the same way.)
I can't accuse you of witchcraft, and if I call you a communist or
socialist, even my people will laugh at me. So, I've decided that you
are paranoid. YES!". (Remove lampshade from head and clamber
down from the desktop, whistling selections from "South Pacific").
iCorp Human Resources Handbook, Chapter 3: _Termination for Cause_
Speaking Clearly to Departing Employees.
Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:
>Ignoramus21577 wrote:
>> The welder was sold, for 33% more than I was asking here.
>>
>> I also learned something today. He wanted the tank (fine) I asked the
>> buyer, who lived 50 miles from here, what will he do with a tank with
>> a local supplier's name on the collar.
>>
>> He said, GET THIS, that he puts them in his lathe, and simply turns
>> the collar down on the lathe, so that all lettering is removed. That's
>> a big MF of a lathe!
>>
>> i
>
>Sounds self-defeating to me.
>
>I've had N+1 cylinders traded in, swapped, filled, hydrotested etc.
>through several different suppliers, with not one issue about ownership,
>ever. The most I ever did was wipe the dust off the outside with a
>dampened cloth. This includes a couple auction bottles known to be out
>of hydro.
>
>Turning down the collar would make a perfectly acceptable trade-in
>hinky, yes? I don't get it.
They are only taking a light cut with a lathe or a light touch with
the die grinder on the bottom (non-threaded) half of the collar, just
enough to take off the cast-in raised letters with the old bottle
owner name on them.
Doesn't matter that the company named on that collar is no longer in
business and didn't sell off their stock to another company, you are
stuck with a bottle you can't exchange. At least until you make that
confounding name disasppear.
Once it's neatly gone, and you have a supply house that has enough
discretion to not ask questions that don't need asking, now you have
an Owner Bottle you can get filled.
--<< Bruce >>--
Winston
(...)
> They are only taking a light cut with a lathe or a light touch with
> the die grinder on the bottom (non-threaded) half of the collar
(...)
I think I understand.
It's still hinky. :)
--Winston
Ignoramus27237
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:53:12 -0500, Ignoramus21577
><ignoram...@NOSPAM.21577.invalid> wrote:
>
>>The welder was sold, for 33% more than I was asking here.
>>
>>I also learned something today. He wanted the tank (fine) I asked the
>>buyer, who lived 50 miles from here, what will he do with a tank with
>>a local supplier's name on the collar.
>>
>>He said, GET THIS, that he puts them in his lathe, and simply turns
>>the collar down on the lathe, so that all lettering is removed. That's
>>a big MF of a lathe!
>>
>>i
>
>
> You dont have access to one? I can go up to 26"....through the
> spindle...
Gunner, I would really like to have a bg shed with several big
machines in it. Whenever I see those liquidation sales, with 20x78"
lathes going for $600 or something, my heart bleeds.
i
SteveB
"Winston" <Win...@bigbrother.net> wrote in message
news:hc638...@news6.newsguy.com...
> Ignoramus21577 wrote:
>> The welder was sold, for 33% more than I was asking here. I also learned
>> something today. He wanted the tank (fine) I asked the
>> buyer, who lived 50 miles from here, what will he do with a tank with
>> a local supplier's name on the collar.
>>
>> He said, GET THIS, that he puts them in his lathe, and simply turns
>> the collar down on the lathe, so that all lettering is removed. That's
>> a big MF of a lathe!
>>
>> i
>
> Sounds self-defeating to me.
>
> I've had N+1 cylinders traded in, swapped, filled, hydrotested etc.
> through several different suppliers, with not one issue about ownership,
> ever. The most I ever did was wipe the dust off the outside with a
> dampened cloth. This includes a couple auction bottles known to be out
> of hydro.
>
> Turning down the collar would make a perfectly acceptable trade-in
> hinky, yes? I don't get it.
>
> --Winston
You really don't know what we're talking about, do you? You are obviously
not talking about lease bottles with their name in the cast collar. Even if
you have one in your possession, it's not a trade-in bottle unless your name
is on the lease. When the owner company decommissions the bottle from a
rental status, THEY remove their stamp, or stamp some type of ID code on the
bottle. Until then, it's rental property that has not been returned. If
you take it for filling or exchange, they can confiscate it on the spot, and
just say thank you. Calling the police will do no good, as it is a civil
matter, and besides, their name, or the name of the company they represent
is clearly on it, and that's proof that it is THEIRS. If you want to make a
fuss, the counter geek can tell the responding officer that you brought in
stolen property, and that is NOT a civil matter. It is owned forever and
always by that company unless that company goes out of business, sells it to
you and you have the paperwork, or sells the cylinders and the public knows
about it as in the case of the US Navy. Third party paperwork does not
work, as in the case of Joe Schmo sold it to me, therefore, it's mine. You
have to have paperwork from the company name on the collar.
You really don't get it, or don't do a lot of cylinders, do you? How long
have you been reading these threads.
HTH, and that you NOW understand it.
Steve
Gunner Asch
Indeed. The lathe I mentioned though is in my shop in Fullerton. I have
440 service at 800 amps.....the motor that runs it is....50hp. Nothing
you really really want to own unless you have lots and lots and lots of
work.
But I agree on having a warehouse...some really really good deals on
machinery these days. But when it costs $2000 to move that $800
lathe..and no one is buying...its almost enough to make a guy cry....
GUnner
Winston
> "Winston" <Win...@bigbrother.net> wrote in message
> news:hc638...@news6.newsguy.com...
(...)
>> Turning down the collar would make a perfectly acceptable trade-in
>> hinky, yes? I don't get it.
>>
>> --Winston
>
> You really don't know what we're talking about, do you?
We shall see. (I was just asking a question, Steve.)
> You are obviously
> not talking about lease bottles with their name in the cast collar.
Why do you say that? I thought I was.
> Even if you have one in your possession, it's not a trade-in bottle unless
> your name is on the lease.
Yes, in most cases that is true.
> When the owner company decommissions the bottle from a
> rental status, THEY remove their stamp, or stamp some type of ID code on the
> bottle. Until then, it's rental property that has not been returned. If
> you take it for filling or exchange, they can confiscate it on the spot, and
> just say thank you.
That's reasonable.
> Calling the police will do no good, as it is a civil
> matter, and besides, their name, or the name of the company they represent
> is clearly on it, and that's proof that it is THEIRS. If you want to make a
> fuss, the counter geek can tell the responding officer that you brought in
> stolen property, and that is NOT a civil matter. It is owned forever and
> always by that company unless that company goes out of business, sells it to
> you and you have the paperwork, or sells the cylinders and the public knows
> about it as in the case of the US Navy. Third party paperwork does not
> work, as in the case of Joe Schmo sold it to me, therefore, it's mine. You
> have to have paperwork from the company name on the collar.
Yes, in most cases. So?
> You really don't get it, or don't do a lot of cylinders, do you? How long
> have you been reading these threads.
Years. And you?
> HTH, and that you NOW understand it.
I got that before, Steve.
Can you help me understand your position, though?
You come in to possession of a bottle.
It has "a local supplier's name on the collar."
I know what I would do under those circumstances.
I'd return it to the supplier.
The buyer of Iggy's MIG indicated that "he puts them in his lathe, and simply
turns the collar down on the lathe, so that all lettering is removed."
I feel that doing that is morally wrong; I would not do it.
My closing statement, rephrased is that modifying such a bottle
is very likely to cast suspicion on one's integrity, at the very least.
It would be perfectly acceptable to return the bottle to it's owner,
as is, no modifications.
If the owner no longer maintains an interest in the bottle, one could
reasonably expect to have it accepted in trade, just as any
'owner' bottle.
I get the feeling that we are in "Violent Agreement".
Yes?
--Winston
SteveB
>>> Turning down the collar would make a perfectly acceptable trade-in
>>> hinky, yes? I don't get it.
>>>
>>> --Winston
>> You really don't know what we're talking about, do you?
>
> We shall see. (I was just asking a question, Steve.)
>
>> You are obviously not talking about lease bottles with their name in the
>> cast collar.
>
> Why do you say that? I thought I was.
Because bottles with names cast in the collars are owned by the company, and
not able to be just exchanged freely as you claim, rather exchanged under
the terms of the rental/lease agreement.
SteveB
Apparently no. Iggy bought and paid for a bottle, and was able to sell it
to a person who could use it without going through the gyrations the
supplier wanted them to. Or just wanted to take the easy way out.
I bought and paid for a cylinder that the seller (an honorable man I know)
stated he owned. When I took it to refill, they asked me to return it,
which I refused. (It stayed on the back of my truck until after
negotiations.) Said bottle had been out of hydro for 18 years, although
still under pressure. If said bottle was an issue of a rental/lease
agreement, that would have been resolved years hence, therefore giving the
possessor 9/10 of the weight of the law. My exception was that the company
that was dealing with the refills refused to give me ANY consideration at
all even after I had spent over $3,000 last year with them.
There are cases where one clearly purchases a dubious bottle. In other
cases, there should be some leeway on adjusting these bottles so as to keep
the person's continuing business. If the companies want to blackmail you
and be hardheaded, you just put it in a lathe, or smooth the embossing off.
Do the math. Would they rather yank you around on a $200 tank, or keep a
customer that does $3k a year with them. I know what I'd do.
After a person having a bottle in their possession nearly twenty years, I
would ASS-U-ME that the company would "no longer maintain an interest" in
the bottle, as you put it.
Steve
Steve W.
So what if he was honorable. Could it more likely be that he thought he
owned it because he didn't understand the contract?
>
> There are cases where one clearly purchases a dubious bottle. In other
> cases, there should be some leeway on adjusting these bottles so as to keep
> the person's continuing business. If the companies want to blackmail you
> and be hardheaded, you just put it in a lathe, or smooth the embossing off.
> Do the math. Would they rather yank you around on a $200 tank, or keep a
> customer that does $3k a year with them. I know what I'd do.
So you advocate stealing the bottle which the company PROVED they owned?
If I was the one who had the company who owned the bottle you would have
been arrested and charges filed against you.
>
> After a person having a bottle in their possession nearly twenty years, I
> would ASS-U-ME that the company would "no longer maintain an interest" in
> the bottle, as you put it.
So because the other person didn't bother to return it gives YOU legal
title to keep it? Damn where did you come up with that?
The company OWNS the bottle until they either are bought out by a
different company (who then own those bottles) OR the company goes out
of business. If they go out of business and sell the bottles outright
then you woudld get a reciept saying you owned it.
> Steve
>
>
--
Steve W.
Rich Grise
> "Winston" <Win...@bigbrother.net> wrote
>> SteveB wrote:
>>> "Winston" <Win...@bigbrother.net> wrote >
>
>>>> Turning down the collar would make a perfectly acceptable trade-in
>>>> hinky, yes? I don't get it.
>
>>
>> We shall see. (I was just asking a question, Steve.)
>>
>>> You are obviously not talking about lease bottles with their name in
>>> the cast collar.
>>
>> Why do you say that? I thought I was.
>
> Because bottles with names cast in the collars are owned by the company,
> and not able to be just exchanged freely as you claim, rather exchanged
> under the terms of the rental/lease agreement.
>
owned by an individual?
Thanks,
Rich
Ignoramus27237
the "company owned" tanks, there was a deposit paid that exceeds the
value of the tank. When these tanks later change hands, the gas
supplier keeps the deposit, whihc is the money that it also had an
opportunity to use for years. This was the case with my own bottle
rental from Terrace: they took a big deposit and gave me a bottle.
So, taking that bottle does not result in that supplier being hurt
financially.
The so called "ownership", in this case, is just a way to prevent
people from going to other suppliers with that bottle, in other words,
this is basically a legalized racket.
i
Winston
> "Winston" <Win...@bigbrother.net> wrote > SteveB wrote:
>>> "Winston" <Win...@bigbrother.net> wrote >
>
>>>> Turning down the collar would make a perfectly acceptable trade-in
>>>> hinky, yes? I don't get it.
>>>>
>>>> --Winston
>
>
>>> You really don't know what we're talking about, do you?
>> We shall see. (I was just asking a question, Steve.)
>>
>>> You are obviously not talking about lease bottles with their name in the
>>> cast collar.
>> Why do you say that? I thought I was.
>
> Because bottles with names cast in the collars are owned by the company, and
> not able to be just exchanged freely as you claim, rather exchanged under
> the terms of the rental/lease agreement.
I never questioned that point, for bottles who's lessors
still exist and have legal ownership. I still think that
returning the lessors property is the best course.
Let's agree to disagree about bottles that lost their
lessors during times of economic downturn. If no one has
legal, legitimate ownership, can we safely assume that the
lessee assumes legal title?
Does 'Sparks Welding' assume legal title to 'Burns Welding'
outstanding lease stock after 'Burns' goes out of business,
sans any contractual agreement between them?
I hardly think that 'Sparks' has any standing at all, here.
But that's why I ask.
--Winston
RAM�
news:hc7uh...@news2.newsguy.com:
> If no one has
> legal, legitimate ownership, can we safely assume that the
> lessee assumes legal title?
A moot point: unless the lessor simply abandons everything - including
buildings, equipment, etc. - and shuts down operations without ANY
outstanding bills then SOMEBODY took ownership of the business including
ALL assets.
This includes any bottles "on lease" at the time of the closure.
Therefore SOMEBODY actually OWNS the "on lease" bottles even though that
SOMEBODY may not have any business presence within 3,000 miles.
Winston
So, 'Burns Welding' of Barstow, CA goes out of business.
The receiver is a Real Estate Investment Trust based in Manhattan.
Fred brings his 'Burns' leased bottle into 'Sparks' for a swap.
Sans any legal agreement between 'Burns', 'Sparks' or the
REIT, does 'Sparks' magically become the new owner of the
bottle, somehow? How can this be?
--Winston
RAM�
news:hc80s...@news2.newsguy.com:
Since the individual who presented the bottle is NOT the owner (as
evidenced by the marked ring) the supplier is simply "protecting" the
customer by taking the "stolen property" [Theft By Bailee] off his hands
and holding it for delivery to the proper owner - REIT according to your
scenario....
FWIW, your original question only proposed "ownership" of "orphan
bottles" be vested in the possessor. <grin>
SteveB
"Rich Grise" <rich...@example.net> wrote
> Is there a special mark that's used for bottles that can be personally
> owned by an individual?
>
> Thanks,
> Rich
The "collar", or area that looks like cast metal just below the threads is
where MOST identifying marks are. It goes around the tank, and is about one
inch wide. Embossed means that the letters or symbols are cast in sand, and
are raised. They can also be stamped in metal stamp numbers and letters
just below that where the dates of hydro testing appears.
Usually, the "owner" bottles have a "collar" that has no embossed lettering,
as in company name. There are a lot of USN tanks around, meaning U. S.
Navy, but those were sold as surplus, and are considered "owner" tanks. So
it is with bankrupt companies, and companies that are out of business
provided the ensuing company does not claim rights to them. They can be
traded bottle for bottle, provided they are within hydro, have an
identifying paper ID label designating what gas is inside, and that they
have no manually stamped ID below that. If they are not in hydro, and you
are a good customer, they may forego that, and just trade you out. Worst
thing is to have an open valve, or a cylinder with no paper label on it, as
then it has to be emptied, purged, and tested. With an open valve, there is
a chance that moisture has gotten in there, and the valve has to be removed,
the cylinder has to be endoscopically inspected, and maybe polished
internally by rolling with ball bearings and an abrasive medium. Then
purged and filled. So, when you use your cylinders, resist the urge to
drain them dry, and leave SOME pressure in them.
Next time you're at your gas supplier, ask the counter geek, and they will
probably give you a tour and explain it so you understand when you are
looking at bottles for sale what exactly you are looking at and whether or
not it coincides with the story your being given.
Steve
SteveB
"Steve W." <csr...@NOTyahoo.com> wrote
bullshit snipped
I own the bottle. I paid for it. It has no identifying marks. It has
since been traded for a full bottle.
Case closed.
Steve
SteveB
"Ignoramus27237" <ignoram...@NOSPAM.27237.invalid> wrote in message
news:CMudneUpQaOk6nrX...@giganews.com...
The company I leased a bottle from charges 60% or more to refill a bottle
than the company that exchanges owner bottles.
Steve
SteveB
And if I'm a customer with an account who has already spent $3k with you
this year and I bring in a bottle, what do you do? Do you insist that I
give it back, or do you bend a bit and make some sort of a compromise to
keep my business? This company was not bending at all.
Steve
Ignoramus27237
Why am I not surprised...
i
Martin H. Eastburn
Martin
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Sounds like those bastards at Airgas. I do as little business with them
as I possibly can. They are expensive as hell and with few
exceptions..the personal are either pricks or morons
Gunner
Winston
(...)
>> Fred brings his 'Burns' leased bottle into 'Sparks' for a swap.
>> Sans any legal agreement between 'Burns', 'Sparks' or the
>> REIT, does 'Sparks' magically become the new owner of the
>> bottle, somehow? How can this be?
>>
>> --Winston
>
> Since the individual who presented the bottle is NOT the owner (as
> evidenced by the marked ring) the supplier is simply "protecting" the
> customer by taking the "stolen property" [Theft By Bailee] off his hands
> and holding it for delivery to the proper owner - REIT according to your
> scenario....
I didn't see a smiley, RAM�.
If I park my Hertz rental around the corner in the Avis lot to check
on a friend's reservation and Avis has my rental towed to impound,
I am the one being protected, yes? All agree that I don't own the
Hertz car, but Avis has the obligation to assume that I stole it
and will 'protect' me thusly? Did I get that right? :)
How often do you suppose that 'Sparks Welding' delivers off-lease
'Burns Welding' gas bottles across the country to the Manhattan
offices of the Real Estate Investment Trust? 'Sparks' wouldn't
keep the bottles for their own use, do you suppose?
Why is this is not considered theft from the lessee?
> FWIW, your original question only proposed "ownership" of "orphan
> bottles" be vested in the possessor. <grin>
My original question was poorly worded. It was:
"Turning down the collar would make a perfectly acceptable trade-in
hinky, yes?"
I meant to ask if a reasonably attentive welding outlet
would suspect fraud if presented with a gas cylinder that
had been modified to remove identifying information that
named another 'local supplier' as it's owner.
In the same post, I said that modifying the bottle would
be "self defeating".
It would be *much* better for the possessor to leave the bottle
un-modified and return it to that 'local supplier'. I implied
that an off-lease 'Burns Welding' bottle that had no current owner
might easily be returned to 'Sparks Welding' for cylinder credit
just as if it were an 'owner' bottle. Why not?
--Winston
SteveB
"Winston" <Win...@bigbrother.net> wrote
> My original question was poorly worded. It was:
> "Turning down the collar would make a perfectly acceptable trade-in
> hinky, yes?"
What the fuck is a "hinky"?
Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:
>RAM� wrote:
>> Winston <Win...@bigbrother.net> wrote in
>> news:hc80s...@news2.newsguy.com:
>
>(...)
>
>>> Fred brings his 'Burns' leased bottle into 'Sparks' for a swap.
>>> Sans any legal agreement between 'Burns', 'Sparks' or the
>>> REIT, does 'Sparks' magically become the new owner of the
>>> bottle, somehow? How can this be?
>>>
>>> --Winston
>>
>> Since the individual who presented the bottle is NOT the owner (as
>> evidenced by the marked ring) the supplier is simply "protecting" the
>> customer by taking the "stolen property" [Theft By Bailee] off his hands
>> and holding it for delivery to the proper owner - REIT according to your
>> scenario....
>
>I didn't see a smiley, RAM�.
>
>If I park my Hertz rental around the corner in the Avis lot to check
>on a friend's reservation and Avis has my rental towed to impound,
>I am the one being protected, yes? All agree that I don't own the
>Hertz car, but Avis has the obligation to assume that I stole it
>and will 'protect' me thusly? Did I get that right? :)
>
>How often do you suppose that 'Sparks Welding' delivers off-lease
>'Burns Welding' gas bottles across the country to the Manhattan
>offices of the Real Estate Investment Trust? 'Sparks' wouldn't
>keep the bottles for their own use, do you suppose?
Well, they do keep them - Sorta. One supplier I used to frequent a
lot had their entire back yard rear and side fences lined with old
bottles - from other suppliers.
And they weren't 3000 miles away, many were within 100 miles, and
there were often a few dozen from the same supplier batched up in a
row, enough to make it worth sending a truck over to pick them up. ANd
not from the 1930's, many weren't all that old or obviuously damaged -
they just had that collar on them.
When I asked, I was told they never even try to contact the alleged
owners, they just "recover" them from the people who "stole" them and
treat them as 'Found Steel Pipe in an odd shape." And turned them
into a nice fence.
>Why is this is not considered theft from the lessee?
It is theft, but they do this as a "Professional Courtesy" - and then
they keep what they recover for their own. Something still seems
mighty wrong with this...
>> FWIW, your original question only proposed "ownership" of "orphan
>> bottles" be vested in the possessor. <grin>
>
>My original question was poorly worded. It was:
>"Turning down the collar would make a perfectly acceptable trade-in
>hinky, yes?"
>
>I meant to ask if a reasonably attentive welding outlet
>would suspect fraud if presented with a gas cylinder that
>had been modified to remove identifying information that
>named another 'local supplier' as it's owner.
>
>In the same post, I said that modifying the bottle would
>be "self defeating".
>
>It would be *much* better for the possessor to leave the bottle
>un-modified and return it to that 'local supplier'. I implied
>that an off-lease 'Burns Welding' bottle that had no current owner
>might easily be returned to 'Sparks Welding' for cylinder credit
>just as if it were an 'owner' bottle. Why not?
It would be nice iof you could take that long drive to the next
county and turn that "Burns" botle back to a Burns location and get a
nice 'Finders Fee' for your trouble.
The only thing you are liable to get is arrested for stealing. Insane,
but true.
Someone pass me the die grinder.
The trick is to match the patina after you finish the grinding duties,
so you don't have a very obvious shiny spot on an otherwise mill
finish ring. I know it'll be a problem, but I've never had to tackle
the problem myself... Sandblast with silica? Shot peen? Bead blast?
Chlorine Bleach wipe to accelerate rust patina?
--<< Bruce >>--
Gunner Asch
wrote:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hinky
1. hinky
Something as yet undefinable is wrong, out of place; not quite right.
There's something hinky about the deal.
A cop's version of "I've a bad feeling about that"
An event or thing which is
1) Out of whack
2) Wrong
3) Off kilter
That porridge taste hinky to you?
the instant of knowledge when one becomes deeply aware that there is
pure evil fuckery afoot.
She knew something was hinky when her husband returned from the store
without his underwear...
*******************************
Must be an east coaster..or someone living in a monastary for most of
his life to not have heard the word.....
Shrug
<G>
Winston
(...)
> The only thing you are liable to get is arrested for stealing. Insane,
> but true.
OK, now I'm completely confused!
:)
--Winston
Winston
"Hinky" means 'to appear suspicious' or 'to be questionable'.
"Turning down the collar would make a perfectly acceptable trade-in
appear suspicious, yes?"
--Winston
Larry Jaques
<old...@depends.com> scrawled the following:
Abby is giving you her famous double glare right about now, Steve.
(You obviously don't watch NCIS, foo, or you'd know the terms "Abby"
and "hinky" intuitively.)
A hinky deal is one which is bolloxed up. You say to yourself "I
don't like this. It feels wrong. Something's _hinky_ here!"
You know, the way you feel when you climb under that used car you're
thinking about buying and you see the 3 muffler bearings have been
wired up with baling wire, the gas tank is duct-taped up, etc.
--
"Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free
than Christianity has made them good." --H. L. Mencken
---
Winston
(...)
> So it is with bankrupt companies, and companies that are out of business
> provided the ensuing company does not claim rights to them. They can be
> traded bottle for bottle, provided they are within hydro, have an
> identifying paper ID label designating what gas is inside, and that they
> have no manually stamped ID below that.
That is perfectly reasonable and answers my question. Thanks!
(...)
> With an open valve, there is a chance that moisture has gotten in there,
> and the valve has to be removed, the cylinder has to be endoscopically
> inspected, and maybe polished internally by rolling with ball bearings
> and an abrasive medium. Then purged and filled. So, when you use your
> cylinders, resist the urge to drain them dry, and leave SOME pressure in them.
I always returned bottles with some pressure in them, just because
it seemed like a reasonable thing to do. If you asked me why I did that,
I would not have been able to give you a good reason.
*That* is a good reason.
--Winston
Winston
> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:44:37 -0600, "SteveB" <old...@depends.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "Winston" <Win...@bigbrother.net> wrote
>>
>>> My original question was poorly worded. It was:
>>> "Turning down the collar would make a perfectly acceptable trade-in
>>> hinky, yes?"
>> What the fuck is a "hinky"?
>
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hinky
>
> 1. hinky
>
> Something as yet undefinable is wrong, out of place; not quite right.
> There's something hinky about the deal.
Yup.
--Winston
SteveB
"Winston" <Win...@bigbrother.net> wrote
>> With an open valve, there is a chance that moisture has gotten in there,
> > and the valve has to be removed, the cylinder has to be endoscopically
> > inspected, and maybe polished internally by rolling with ball bearings
> > and an abrasive medium. Then purged and filled. So, when you use your
> > cylinders, resist the urge to drain them dry, and leave SOME pressure in
> > them.
>
> I always returned bottles with some pressure in them, just because
> it seemed like a reasonable thing to do. If you asked me why I did that,
> I would not have been able to give you a good reason.
>
> *That* is a good reason.
>
>
> --Winston
Some scuba shops will not (or can not by law) refill a bottle with an open
valve until the valve has been removed and the interior inspected and
cleaned. This is because 99.9% of the time, chances are that salt water is
in there, and lot of newer tanks are now made of aluminum instead of the old
steel ones. There is enough change of temperature from daylight to dark and
back over a few days for a tank to actually breathe in and out, and in
places where there is humidity, the moisture stays behind after the air is
exhaled during a heated time period. Or if it rains, water droplets are
actually pulled into the tank with the drop of temperature and subsequent
reducing air pressure inside the tank. Minimal, yet measurable. Ever
notice how much a bottle of water expands and contracts in the sun? Same
thing.
Steve
Winston
> "Winston" <Win...@bigbrother.net> wrote
>
>>> With an open valve, there is a chance that moisture has gotten in there,
>>> and the valve has to be removed, the cylinder has to be endoscopically
>>> inspected, and maybe polished internally by rolling with ball bearings
>>> and an abrasive medium. Then purged and filled. So, when you use your
>>> cylinders, resist the urge to drain them dry, and leave SOME pressure in
>>> them.
>> I always returned bottles with some pressure in them, just because
>> it seemed like a reasonable thing to do. If you asked me why I did that,
>> I would not have been able to give you a good reason.
>>
>> *That* is a good reason.
>>
>>
>> --Winston
>
> Some scuba shops will not (or can not by law) refill a bottle with an open
> valve until the valve has been removed and the interior inspected and
> cleaned. This is because 99.9% of the time, chances are that salt water is
> in there, and lot of newer tanks are now made of aluminum instead of the old
> steel ones. There is enough change of temperature from daylight to dark and
> back over a few days for a tank to actually breathe in and out, and in
> places where there is humidity, the moisture stays behind after the air is
> exhaled during a heated time period.
(...)
An extreme case is an open O2 bottle, stored long term in a shop that uses
a lot of spray oil:
http://www.triflowlubricants.com/resources/
I'm getting goose bumps here. Yeow!
--Winston
Joe Pfeiffer
>
> An extreme case is an open O2 bottle, stored long term in a shop that uses
> a lot of spray oil:
>
> http://www.triflowlubricants.com/resources/
>
> I'm getting goose bumps here. Yeow!
That's just the company's resources directory. Do you have a url for
the actual disaster?
--
As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should
be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours;
and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin)
Winston
> Winston <Win...@bigbrother.net> writes:
>> An extreme case is an open O2 bottle, stored long term in a shop that uses
>> a lot of spray oil:
>>
>> http://www.triflowlubricants.com/resources/
>>
>> I'm getting goose bumps here. Yeow!
>
> That's just the company's resources directory. Do you have a url for
> the actual disaster?
Wooops.
I see that I inadvertently implied that the great folks at Triflow did
something very stupid and suffered a disaster. Not True!
I intended to indicate the kind of product that could cause a significant
problem if it were used unwisely, thassall.
I use and like Triflow products a lot; never meant to indicate there
had been a problem with them or their products at all.
Sorry
--Winston
Joe Pfeiffer
Ah, OK -- I had them impression it was a link to Triflow posting a
cautionary tale.
Winston
> Winston <Win...@bigbrother.net> writes:
>
>> Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>>> Winston <Win...@bigbrother.net> writes:
>>>> An extreme case is an open O2 bottle, stored long term in a shop that uses
>>>> a lot of spray oil:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.triflowlubricants.com/resources/
>>>>
>>>> I'm getting goose bumps here. Yeow!
>>> That's just the company's resources directory. Do you have a url for
>>> the actual disaster?
>> Wooops.
>>
>> I see that I inadvertently implied that the great folks at Triflow did
>> something very stupid and suffered a disaster. Not True!
>>
>> I intended to indicate the kind of product that could cause a significant
>> problem if it were used unwisely, thassall.
>>
>> I use and like Triflow products a lot; never meant to indicate there
>> had been a problem with them or their products at all.
>
> Ah, OK -- I had them impression it was a link to Triflow posting a
> cautionary tale.
My bad.
--Winston