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cecil...@gmail.com
Feb 11, 2017, 11:01:35 PM2/11/17
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So I got a cylinder from a friend, that is a Avox System 9700 series, 11.0 CU FT 1800 PSI. Which I really really like, but I am confuse about if I have to refill it which O2 should I use, what if I just can not get aviators oxygen?
Actually I just don't know much about this.
Can someone help me?
Actually I just don't know much about this.
Can someone help me?
DoN. Nichols
Feb 11, 2017, 11:49:30 PM2/11/17
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I would consider aviator's oxygen and medical oxygen to be
identical -- similar control of impurities which would be dangerous to
breathe. (And I've breathed from chemical purity oxygen in an emergency
-- a bad asthma attack caused by rosin soldering flux smoke.
If you want to weld with it, it should work, but the pressure is
lower than most welding tanks, so you would not get much welding time
from it.
The tank is probably lighter than welding tanks, and if
aluminum, likely cannot be refilled as many times before flex failure.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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Robert Nichols
Feb 12, 2017, 9:35:39 AM2/12/17
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On 02/11/2017 10:01 PM, cecil...@gmail.com wrote:
> So I got a cylinder from a friend, that is a Avox System 9700 series, 11.0 CU FT 1800 PSI. Which I really really like, but I am confuse about if I have to refill it which O2 should I use, what if I just can not get aviators oxygen?
Aviators oxygen is required to have very low moisture content. At high altitude, excess moisture could freeze and block O2 lines.
> So I got a cylinder from a friend, that is a Avox System 9700 series, 11.0 CU FT 1800 PSI. Which I really really like, but I am confuse about if I have to refill it which O2 should I use, what if I just can not get aviators oxygen?
Here's an interesting quote I ran across at <http://www.c-f-c.com/supportdocs/abo1.htm>:
"Also of interest, we have been told by the suppliers of welding oxygen, the purity level required for welding and cutting purposes is more critical than for breathing."
--
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danny burstein
Feb 12, 2017, 9:51:13 AM2/12/17
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In <o7pr38$oaf$1...@omega-3g.local> Robert Nichols <SEE_SI...@localhost.localdomain.invalid> writes:
>Here's an interesting quote I ran across at <http://www.c-f-c.com/supportdocs/abo1.htm>:
> "Also of interest, we have been told by the suppliers of welding oxygen, the purity level required for welding and cutting purposes is more critical than for breathing."
Well, sure. That's quoting from the welding oxygen sales reps..
>Here's an interesting quote I ran across at <http://www.c-f-c.com/supportdocs/abo1.htm>:
> "Also of interest, we have been told by the suppliers of welding oxygen, the purity level required for welding and cutting purposes is more critical than for breathing."
Bet you'd get the exact same quote, just the other way, if
you spoke to medical oxygen sale reps...
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Jim Wilkins
Feb 12, 2017, 10:28:32 AM2/12/17
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> In <o7pr38$oaf$1...@omega-3g.local> Robert Nichols
> <SEE_SI...@localhost.localdomain.invalid> writes:
>
>>Here's an interesting quote I ran across at
>><http://www.c-f-c.com/supportdocs/abo1.htm>:
>> "Also of interest, we have been told by the suppliers of
>> welding oxygen, the purity level required for welding and cutting
>> purposes is more critical than for breathing."
>
> Well, sure. That's quoting from the welding oxygen sales reps..
>
> Bet you'd get the exact same quote, just the other way, if
> you spoke to medical oxygen sale reps...
http://www.ozonesolutions.com/info/is-medical-oxygen-different
> <SEE_SI...@localhost.localdomain.invalid> writes:
>
>>Here's an interesting quote I ran across at
>><http://www.c-f-c.com/supportdocs/abo1.htm>:
>> "Also of interest, we have been told by the suppliers of
>> welding oxygen, the purity level required for welding and cutting
>> purposes is more critical than for breathing."
>
> Well, sure. That's quoting from the welding oxygen sales reps..
>
> Bet you'd get the exact same quote, just the other way, if
> you spoke to medical oxygen sale reps...
Tim Wescott
Feb 12, 2017, 11:35:11 AM2/12/17
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regulate breathing sense blood CO2 concentration and make you breath
faster when it goes up -- and let you stop breathing when it goes down
close to zero.
Feel free to Google around and double check. I suspect that a welding
supply place wouldn't want to mess with refilling it, but you could check.
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Control systems, embedded software and circuit design
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Neon John
Feb 12, 2017, 2:45:50 PM2/12/17
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 14:51:11 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
<dan...@panix.com> wrote:
>In <o7pr38$oaf$1...@omega-3g.local> Robert Nichols <SEE_SI...@localhost.localdomain.invalid> writes:
>
>>Here's an interesting quote I ran across at <http://www.c-f-c.com/supportdocs/abo1.htm>:
>> "Also of interest, we have been told by the suppliers of welding oxygen, the purity level required for welding and cutting purposes is more critical than for breathing."
>
>Well, sure. That's quoting from the welding oxygen sales reps..
>
>Bet you'd get the exact same quote, just the other way, if
>you spoke to medical oxygen sale reps...
I used to own a welding supply distributorship. We sold both medical
<dan...@panix.com> wrote:
>In <o7pr38$oaf$1...@omega-3g.local> Robert Nichols <SEE_SI...@localhost.localdomain.invalid> writes:
>
>>Here's an interesting quote I ran across at <http://www.c-f-c.com/supportdocs/abo1.htm>:
>> "Also of interest, we have been told by the suppliers of welding oxygen, the purity level required for welding and cutting purposes is more critical than for breathing."
>
>Well, sure. That's quoting from the welding oxygen sales reps..
>
>Bet you'd get the exact same quote, just the other way, if
>you spoke to medical oxygen sale reps...
and industrial oxygen.
Medical and welding tanks connected to the exact same fill header. The
difference is that we had to test the welding oxygen for dewpoint (-50
deg F if I recall correctly) while it didn't matter for medical
oxygen.
For the medical oxygen, we had to have an FDA license and keep track
of lot numbers. Though not required, we recorded the oxygen purity
for each lot.
The other difference is that the green medical oxygen cylinders had to
be internally thoroughly cleaned before initial use to eliminate any
potential particulate sources.
Bottom line: welding oxygen is of higher quality than medical oxygen.
John
John DeArmond
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Neon John
Feb 12, 2017, 3:05:46 PM2/12/17
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2017 10:35:05 -0600, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com>
wrote:
>IIRC oxygen for human consumption has CO2 mixed in.
NO! At least for medical oxygen. No idea about aviation oxygen but
since the oxygen for commercial pilots comes from a LOX tank, I doubt
that aviation oxygen has anything added either.
>The pathways that
>regulate breathing sense blood CO2 concentration and make you breath
>faster when it goes up -- and let you stop breathing when it goes down
>close to zero.
This is true to a point but most anyone on medical oxygen has a
respiratory or other problem that keeps their O2 sat low. A normal
person will have a sat level of from 98 to 100%. The standard of care
for starting long term oxygen therapy is 89%, a level that has the
patient gasping for breath.
I was on concentrator-produced oxygen for several years after a spinal
injury severed the nerves that drive my left diaphragm. I had a
surgical procedure done by robot called a hemidiaphragmatic plication
where the surgeon tied the two diaphragm muscles together. I regained
enough lung capacity to get off the oxygen.
My O2 sat while I was on the concentrators ran around 95%. Plenty of
CO2 in my system to keep me breathing just fine.
I have an oxygen concentration meter that I used to check used
concentrators before I bought them. A new machine will produce 99%
pure oxygen. A machine with a couple of years on it will drop to
97-98%. The sieve columns are replaced at 95%.
wrote:
>IIRC oxygen for human consumption has CO2 mixed in.
since the oxygen for commercial pilots comes from a LOX tank, I doubt
that aviation oxygen has anything added either.
>The pathways that
>regulate breathing sense blood CO2 concentration and make you breath
>faster when it goes up -- and let you stop breathing when it goes down
>close to zero.
respiratory or other problem that keeps their O2 sat low. A normal
person will have a sat level of from 98 to 100%. The standard of care
for starting long term oxygen therapy is 89%, a level that has the
patient gasping for breath.
I was on concentrator-produced oxygen for several years after a spinal
injury severed the nerves that drive my left diaphragm. I had a
surgical procedure done by robot called a hemidiaphragmatic plication
where the surgeon tied the two diaphragm muscles together. I regained
enough lung capacity to get off the oxygen.
My O2 sat while I was on the concentrators ran around 95%. Plenty of
CO2 in my system to keep me breathing just fine.
I have an oxygen concentration meter that I used to check used
concentrators before I bought them. A new machine will produce 99%
pure oxygen. A machine with a couple of years on it will drop to
97-98%. The sieve columns are replaced at 95%.
pyotr filipivich
Feb 12, 2017, 9:39:26 PM2/12/17
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cecil...@gmail.com on Sat, 11 Feb 2017 20:01:33 -0800 (PST) typed in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
adding an impurity to the tank, the rest is hand waving.
Adding "Aviation" or "Medical" (like "all natural" or "marine") to
the label merely means it is going to cost you more.
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rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>So I got a cylinder from a friend, that is a Avox System 9700 series, 11.0 CU FT 1800 PSI. Which I really really like, but I am confuse about if I have to refill it which O2 should I use, what if I just can not get aviators oxygen?
>
>Actually I just don't know much about this.
>
>Can someone help me?
Oxygen is oxygen. And unless someone can explain why they are
>
>Actually I just don't know much about this.
>
>Can someone help me?
adding an impurity to the tank, the rest is hand waving.
Adding "Aviation" or "Medical" (like "all natural" or "marine") to
the label merely means it is going to cost you more.
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although far too often, Age travels alone."
Larry Jaques
Feb 12, 2017, 10:15:45 PM2/12/17
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Martin Eastburn
Feb 12, 2017, 10:20:25 PM2/12/17
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The impurity is 'natural' from pumps and valves. In medical oxygen that
might feed through machines that are very expensive or feed a person
with 20% of their lung left, the air is FILTERED heavily.
At 10 or 20,000 feet with flights up to 80,000 one does not want
moisture in the air line. Simple as that.
Just like your plasma - water kills.
Think of a vacuum cleaner / shop vacuum - and then one with a Hepa
filter on it. What air do you breathe while you clean up with it ?
Martin
might feed through machines that are very expensive or feed a person
with 20% of their lung left, the air is FILTERED heavily.
At 10 or 20,000 feet with flights up to 80,000 one does not want
moisture in the air line. Simple as that.
Just like your plasma - water kills.
Think of a vacuum cleaner / shop vacuum - and then one with a Hepa
filter on it. What air do you breathe while you clean up with it ?
Martin
pyotr filipivich
Feb 13, 2017, 12:14:04 PM2/13/17
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Martin Eastburn <lion...@consolidated.net> on Sun, 12 Feb 2017
21:20:21 -0600 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
What sort of 'impurities" can be in an oxygen environment? Okay,
water / humidity I can understand - it is "inert". But how did it get
in their in the first place? One would think that distilling Oxygen
out of the atmosphere would first remove the water.
Part of my confusion come from having dealt with the specs for
manufacturing medical equipment which would be part of the oxygen
system. "Not oil at all." Not before, not after, not during "Thou
shallt have no oil in the presence of the metal. Neither shall it be
on the tools thou useth. On the finished part is straight off."
21:20:21 -0600 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>The impurity is 'natural' from pumps and valves. In medical oxygen that
>might feed through machines that are very expensive or feed a person
>with 20% of their lung left, the air is FILTERED heavily.
>
>At 10 or 20,000 feet with flights up to 80,000 one does not want
>moisture in the air line. Simple as that.
I'm still confused.
>might feed through machines that are very expensive or feed a person
>with 20% of their lung left, the air is FILTERED heavily.
>
>At 10 or 20,000 feet with flights up to 80,000 one does not want
>moisture in the air line. Simple as that.
What sort of 'impurities" can be in an oxygen environment? Okay,
water / humidity I can understand - it is "inert". But how did it get
in their in the first place? One would think that distilling Oxygen
out of the atmosphere would first remove the water.
Part of my confusion come from having dealt with the specs for
manufacturing medical equipment which would be part of the oxygen
system. "Not oil at all." Not before, not after, not during "Thou
shallt have no oil in the presence of the metal. Neither shall it be
on the tools thou useth. On the finished part is straight off."
rangerssuck
Feb 13, 2017, 1:11:41 PM2/13/17
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On Monday, February 13, 2017 at 12:14:04 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> Martin Eastburn <lion...@consolidated.net> on Sun, 12 Feb 2017
> 21:20:21 -0600 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
> >The impurity is 'natural' from pumps and valves. In medical oxygen that
> >might feed through machines that are very expensive or feed a person
> >with 20% of their lung left, the air is FILTERED heavily.
> >
> >At 10 or 20,000 feet with flights up to 80,000 one does not want
> >moisture in the air line. Simple as that.
>
> I'm still confused.
>
> What sort of 'impurities" can be in an oxygen environment? Okay,
> water / humidity I can understand - it is "inert". But how did it get
> in their in the first place? One would think that distilling Oxygen
> out of the atmosphere would first remove the water.
> Part of my confusion come from having dealt with the specs for
> manufacturing medical equipment which would be part of the oxygen
> system. "Not oil at all." Not before, not after, not during "Thou
> shallt have no oil in the presence of the metal. Neither shall it be
> on the tools thou useth. On the finished part is straight off."
>
For one thing, improperly cleaned and/or purged tanks / lines / valves / connectors could have all sorts of impurities. just opening the empty tanks valve to ambient air will introduce impurities (notably, in this case, water in the form of atmospheric humidity).
> Martin Eastburn <lion...@consolidated.net> on Sun, 12 Feb 2017
> 21:20:21 -0600 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
> >The impurity is 'natural' from pumps and valves. In medical oxygen that
> >might feed through machines that are very expensive or feed a person
> >with 20% of their lung left, the air is FILTERED heavily.
> >
> >At 10 or 20,000 feet with flights up to 80,000 one does not want
> >moisture in the air line. Simple as that.
>
> I'm still confused.
>
> What sort of 'impurities" can be in an oxygen environment? Okay,
> water / humidity I can understand - it is "inert". But how did it get
> in their in the first place? One would think that distilling Oxygen
> out of the atmosphere would first remove the water.
> Part of my confusion come from having dealt with the specs for
> manufacturing medical equipment which would be part of the oxygen
> system. "Not oil at all." Not before, not after, not during "Thou
> shallt have no oil in the presence of the metal. Neither shall it be
> on the tools thou useth. On the finished part is straight off."
>
Larry Jaques
Feb 13, 2017, 6:54:59 PM2/13/17
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2017 09:14:25 -0800, pyotr filipivich
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Martin Eastburn <lion...@consolidated.net> on Sun, 12 Feb 2017
>21:20:21 -0600 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>The impurity is 'natural' from pumps and valves. In medical oxygen that
>>might feed through machines that are very expensive or feed a person
>>with 20% of their lung left, the air is FILTERED heavily.
>>
>>At 10 or 20,000 feet with flights up to 80,000 one does not want
>>moisture in the air line. Simple as that.
Isn't that why they put the PSA in the bottom of the tank?
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Martin Eastburn <lion...@consolidated.net> on Sun, 12 Feb 2017
>21:20:21 -0600 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>The impurity is 'natural' from pumps and valves. In medical oxygen that
>>might feed through machines that are very expensive or feed a person
>>with 20% of their lung left, the air is FILTERED heavily.
>>
>>At 10 or 20,000 feet with flights up to 80,000 one does not want
>>moisture in the air line. Simple as that.
> I'm still confused.
>
> What sort of 'impurities" can be in an oxygen environment? Okay,
>water / humidity I can understand - it is "inert". But how did it get
>in their in the first place? One would think that distilling Oxygen
>out of the atmosphere would first remove the water.
> Part of my confusion come from having dealt with the specs for
>manufacturing medical equipment which would be part of the oxygen
>system. "Not oil at all." Not before, not after, not during "Thou
>shallt have no oil in the presence of the metal. Neither shall it be
>on the tools thou useth. On the finished part is straight off."
Doug Miller
Feb 14, 2017, 8:32:21 AM2/14/17
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danny burstein <dan...@panix.com> wrote in news:o7psov$6al$1...@reader1.panix.com:
> In <o7pr38$oaf$1...@omega-3g.local> Robert Nichols
<SEE_SI...@localhost.localdomain.invalid> writes:
>
>>Here's an interesting quote I ran across at <http://www.c-f-c.com/supportdocs/abo1.htm>:
>> "Also of interest, we have been told by the suppliers of welding oxygen, the purity level
required for welding and cutting purposes is more critical than for breathing."
>
> Well, sure. That's quoting from the welding oxygen sales reps..
>
> Bet you'd get the exact same quote, just the other way, if
> you spoke to medical oxygen sale reps...
I have my doubts; after all, the oxygen you're breathing right now is about four parts impurities
to one part oxygen...
> In <o7pr38$oaf$1...@omega-3g.local> Robert Nichols
<SEE_SI...@localhost.localdomain.invalid> writes:
>
>>Here's an interesting quote I ran across at <http://www.c-f-c.com/supportdocs/abo1.htm>:
>> "Also of interest, we have been told by the suppliers of welding oxygen, the purity level
required for welding and cutting purposes is more critical than for breathing."
>
> Well, sure. That's quoting from the welding oxygen sales reps..
>
> Bet you'd get the exact same quote, just the other way, if
> you spoke to medical oxygen sale reps...
to one part oxygen...
Martin Eastburn
Feb 15, 2017, 10:42:47 PM2/15/17
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If you pump air into the medical OX with a cast iron pump with oil
in the rings - you send all sorts of crap from the pump. It also
picks up anything from the air it sucks in. Gas / Diesel / pollen .....
and pumps it into the tank. Lots of junk from the air. Guy painting
the building or out-gas paint...
When medical OX is made, the pump is in a nylon pump and it squeezes the
oxygen by squeezing a hose from a series of filters into the tank.
It is like a scuba tank - can't just suck in the CO the pump puts out
into the tank.
When I get an OX tank from a company - it comes from a welding supply
in a welding tank.
When I get an OX tank from a company - and it is for life/death it is
from the medical OX supplier.
Water is sucked into the pump and into the tank / hose in real time.
It is kept out of OX for life.
OX is generated in chemical reactions in canisters for airplanes. Now
and then one catches fire and causes news on the TV.
N2 tanks are 'dry' tanks also. No water. Many plasma machines use N2
not air. Plasma creates instant steam and it blasts the beam wide and
cools it as well giving a poor and sloppy cut edge.
Martin
in the rings - you send all sorts of crap from the pump. It also
picks up anything from the air it sucks in. Gas / Diesel / pollen .....
and pumps it into the tank. Lots of junk from the air. Guy painting
the building or out-gas paint...
When medical OX is made, the pump is in a nylon pump and it squeezes the
oxygen by squeezing a hose from a series of filters into the tank.
It is like a scuba tank - can't just suck in the CO the pump puts out
into the tank.
When I get an OX tank from a company - it comes from a welding supply
in a welding tank.
When I get an OX tank from a company - and it is for life/death it is
from the medical OX supplier.
Water is sucked into the pump and into the tank / hose in real time.
It is kept out of OX for life.
OX is generated in chemical reactions in canisters for airplanes. Now
and then one catches fire and causes news on the TV.
N2 tanks are 'dry' tanks also. No water. Many plasma machines use N2
not air. Plasma creates instant steam and it blasts the beam wide and
cools it as well giving a poor and sloppy cut edge.
Martin
pyotr filipivich
Feb 15, 2017, 11:16:27 PM2/15/17
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Martin Eastburn <lion...@consolidated.net> on Wed, 15 Feb 2017
21:42:38 -0600 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
21:42:38 -0600 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>If you pump air into the medical OX with a cast iron pump with oil
>in the rings - you send all sorts of crap from the pump. It also
>picks up anything from the air it sucks in. Gas / Diesel / pollen .....
>and pumps it into the tank. Lots of junk from the air. Guy painting
>the building or out-gas paint...
And what you have is not a tank of oxygen.
>in the rings - you send all sorts of crap from the pump. It also
>picks up anything from the air it sucks in. Gas / Diesel / pollen .....
>and pumps it into the tank. Lots of junk from the air. Guy painting
>the building or out-gas paint...
>
>When medical OX is made, the pump is in a nylon pump and it squeezes the
>oxygen by squeezing a hose from a series of filters into the tank.
>
>It is like a scuba tank - can't just suck in the CO the pump puts out
>into the tank.
>
>When I get an OX tank from a company - it comes from a welding supply
>in a welding tank.
And it has nitrogen, co2, h2o, pollen and dust in it?
>When medical OX is made, the pump is in a nylon pump and it squeezes the
>oxygen by squeezing a hose from a series of filters into the tank.
>
>It is like a scuba tank - can't just suck in the CO the pump puts out
>into the tank.
>
>When I get an OX tank from a company - it comes from a welding supply
>in a welding tank.
Michael A. Terrell
Feb 16, 2017, 5:37:31 PM2/16/17
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Martin Eastburn wrote:
> If you pump air into the medical OX with a cast iron pump with oil
> in the rings - you send all sorts of crap from the pump. It also
> picks up anything from the air it sucks in. Gas / Diesel / pollen .....
> and pumps it into the tank. Lots of junk from the air. Guy painting
> the building or out-gas paint...
>
> When medical OX is made, the pump is in a nylon pump and it squeezes the
> oxygen by squeezing a hose from a series of filters into the tank.
>
> It is like a scuba tank - can't just suck in the CO the pump puts out
> into the tank.
>
> When I get an OX tank from a company - it comes from a welding supply
> in a welding tank.
>
> When I get an OX tank from a company - and it is for life/death it is
> from the medical OX supplier.
>
> Water is sucked into the pump and into the tank / hose in real time.
> It is kept out of OX for life.
>
> OX is generated in chemical reactions in canisters for airplanes. Now
> and then one catches fire and causes news on the TV.
>
> N2 tanks are 'dry' tanks also. No water. Many plasma machines use N2
> not air. Plasma creates instant steam and it blasts the beam wide and
> cools it as well giving a poor and sloppy cut edge.
This facility compresses air into a liquid, then it boils off each
> If you pump air into the medical OX with a cast iron pump with oil
> in the rings - you send all sorts of crap from the pump. It also
> picks up anything from the air it sucks in. Gas / Diesel / pollen .....
> and pumps it into the tank. Lots of junk from the air. Guy painting
> the building or out-gas paint...
>
> When medical OX is made, the pump is in a nylon pump and it squeezes the
> oxygen by squeezing a hose from a series of filters into the tank.
>
> It is like a scuba tank - can't just suck in the CO the pump puts out
> into the tank.
>
> When I get an OX tank from a company - it comes from a welding supply
> in a welding tank.
>
> When I get an OX tank from a company - and it is for life/death it is
> from the medical OX supplier.
>
> Water is sucked into the pump and into the tank / hose in real time.
> It is kept out of OX for life.
>
> OX is generated in chemical reactions in canisters for airplanes. Now
> and then one catches fire and causes news on the TV.
>
> N2 tanks are 'dry' tanks also. No water. Many plasma machines use N2
> not air. Plasma creates instant steam and it blasts the beam wide and
> cools it as well giving a poor and sloppy cut edge.
gas to separate them. The majority of the oxygen is fed to the AK steel
mill a couple miles away, but they also supply hospitals with oxygen.
They also sell the rare gases that were mixed into the air, for
industrial use.
The reduction towers are huge, and the pumps are noisy. I used to
live near it, and I was involved in the upgrade when the sections of new
towers were transported from the Ohio river, through our cable TV
system. Each piece was moved on a 40 axle, 4,000HP crawler with a top
speed of five MPH. The assembly was done in England, since no place in
the US could transport that weight on existing roads and bridges. It
would have been in many smaller sections, and taken at least two more
years to add the needed Oxygen capacity.
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They don't get even.
They go for over unity! ;-)
Martin Eastburn
Feb 16, 2017, 6:22:08 PM2/16/17
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Oh sigh...
On 2/15/2017 10:16 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> Martin Eastburn <lion...@consolidated.net> on Wed, 15 Feb 2017
> 21:42:38 -0600 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>> If you pump air into the medical OX with a cast iron pump with oil
>> in the rings - you send all sorts of crap from the pump. It also
>> picks up anything from the air it sucks in. Gas / Diesel / pollen .....
>> and pumps it into the tank. Lots of junk from the air. Guy painting
>> the building or out-gas paint...
>
> And what you have is not a tank of oxygen.
This is a 'green' tank marked Oxygen for welding. One uses filters if
it must be cleaner. In a torch - Oxygen/Hydro... it doesn't matter.
If it did you would put a particle filter on it. Don't breathe this as
medical ox.
>>
>> When medical OX is made, the pump is in a nylon pump and it squeezes the
>> oxygen by squeezing a hose from a series of filters into the tank.
>>
>> It is like a scuba tank - can't just suck in the CO the pump puts out
>> into the tank.
>>
>> When I get an OX tank from a company - it comes from a welding supply
>> in a welding tank.
>
> And it has nitrogen, co2, h2o, pollen and dust in it?
Oxygen tanks are percentage of pure OX. It will have other stuff in it
if 98% Ox. One never gets pure Ox in an iron/steel tank. It would have
to be glass lined and purged/cleaned every time.
Air isn't pure Ox. It is mostly Nitrogen. It has He in it as well.
All sorts of non OX is in air.
>>
>> When I get an OX tank from a company - and it is for life/death it is
>>from the medical OX supplier.
And why if it is always 100% pure OX is there Medical grade ? It isn't
just medical grade container.
On 2/15/2017 10:16 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> Martin Eastburn <lion...@consolidated.net> on Wed, 15 Feb 2017
> 21:42:38 -0600 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>> If you pump air into the medical OX with a cast iron pump with oil
>> in the rings - you send all sorts of crap from the pump. It also
>> picks up anything from the air it sucks in. Gas / Diesel / pollen .....
>> and pumps it into the tank. Lots of junk from the air. Guy painting
>> the building or out-gas paint...
>
> And what you have is not a tank of oxygen.
it must be cleaner. In a torch - Oxygen/Hydro... it doesn't matter.
If it did you would put a particle filter on it. Don't breathe this as
medical ox.
>>
>> When medical OX is made, the pump is in a nylon pump and it squeezes the
>> oxygen by squeezing a hose from a series of filters into the tank.
>>
>> It is like a scuba tank - can't just suck in the CO the pump puts out
>> into the tank.
>>
>> When I get an OX tank from a company - it comes from a welding supply
>> in a welding tank.
>
> And it has nitrogen, co2, h2o, pollen and dust in it?
if 98% Ox. One never gets pure Ox in an iron/steel tank. It would have
to be glass lined and purged/cleaned every time.
Air isn't pure Ox. It is mostly Nitrogen. It has He in it as well.
All sorts of non OX is in air.
>>
>> When I get an OX tank from a company - and it is for life/death it is
>>from the medical OX supplier.
just medical grade container.
pyotr filipivich
Feb 27, 2017, 10:41:02 PM2/27/17
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Martin Eastburn <lion...@consolidated.net> on Thu, 16 Feb 2017
17:21:58 -0600 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
even 99.9% Oxy environment.
well, and unfortunately, the oxides lack the structural integrity to
protect the un oxidized iron from exposure.
> It would have
>to be glass lined and purged/cleaned every time.
>Air isn't pure Ox. It is mostly Nitrogen. It has He in it as well.
>All sorts of non OX is in air.
There must be something to the magic of getting oxygen into tanks
which I'm missing.
>
>>>
>>> When I get an OX tank from a company - and it is for life/death it is
>>>from the medical OX supplier.
>And why if it is always 100% pure OX is there Medical grade ? It isn't
>just medical grade container.
17:21:58 -0600 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>Oh sigh...
>
>On 2/15/2017 10:16 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Martin Eastburn <lion...@consolidated.net> on Wed, 15 Feb 2017
>> 21:42:38 -0600 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>> If you pump air into the medical OX with a cast iron pump with oil
>>> in the rings - you send all sorts of crap from the pump. It also
>>> picks up anything from the air it sucks in. Gas / Diesel / pollen .....
>>> and pumps it into the tank. Lots of junk from the air. Guy painting
>>> the building or out-gas paint...
>>
>> And what you have is not a tank of oxygen.
>This is a 'green' tank marked Oxygen for welding. One uses filters if
>it must be cleaner. In a torch - Oxygen/Hydro... it doesn't matter.
>If it did you would put a particle filter on it. Don't breathe this as
>medical ox.
I'm still curious as to how one can have compounds in a 100% or
>
>On 2/15/2017 10:16 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Martin Eastburn <lion...@consolidated.net> on Wed, 15 Feb 2017
>> 21:42:38 -0600 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>> If you pump air into the medical OX with a cast iron pump with oil
>>> in the rings - you send all sorts of crap from the pump. It also
>>> picks up anything from the air it sucks in. Gas / Diesel / pollen .....
>>> and pumps it into the tank. Lots of junk from the air. Guy painting
>>> the building or out-gas paint...
>>
>> And what you have is not a tank of oxygen.
>This is a 'green' tank marked Oxygen for welding. One uses filters if
>it must be cleaner. In a torch - Oxygen/Hydro... it doesn't matter.
>If it did you would put a particle filter on it. Don't breathe this as
>medical ox.
even 99.9% Oxy environment.
>
>>>
>>> When medical OX is made, the pump is in a nylon pump and it squeezes the
>>> oxygen by squeezing a hose from a series of filters into the tank.
>>>
>>> It is like a scuba tank - can't just suck in the CO the pump puts out
>>> into the tank.
>>>
>>> When I get an OX tank from a company - it comes from a welding supply
>>> in a welding tank.
>>
>> And it has nitrogen, co2, h2o, pollen and dust in it?
>Oxygen tanks are percentage of pure OX. It will have other stuff in it
>if 98% Ox. One never gets pure Ox in an iron/steel tank.
I would expect that to be true. After all, iron oxidizes rather
>>>
>>> When medical OX is made, the pump is in a nylon pump and it squeezes the
>>> oxygen by squeezing a hose from a series of filters into the tank.
>>>
>>> It is like a scuba tank - can't just suck in the CO the pump puts out
>>> into the tank.
>>>
>>> When I get an OX tank from a company - it comes from a welding supply
>>> in a welding tank.
>>
>> And it has nitrogen, co2, h2o, pollen and dust in it?
>Oxygen tanks are percentage of pure OX. It will have other stuff in it
>if 98% Ox. One never gets pure Ox in an iron/steel tank.
well, and unfortunately, the oxides lack the structural integrity to
protect the un oxidized iron from exposure.
> It would have
>to be glass lined and purged/cleaned every time.
>Air isn't pure Ox. It is mostly Nitrogen. It has He in it as well.
>All sorts of non OX is in air.
which I'm missing.
>
>>>
>>> When I get an OX tank from a company - and it is for life/death it is
>>>from the medical OX supplier.
>And why if it is always 100% pure OX is there Medical grade ? It isn't
>just medical grade container.
Steve W.
Feb 28, 2017, 11:36:40 AM2/28/17
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tanks, aluminum tanks and some stainless steel.
Steel are usually higher pressure units, used as vehicle born or
stationary tanks feeding into a manifold. There are steel portable tanks
still out there but they are a dying item. As they fail hydro they are
replaced by aluminum.
Stainless are usually liquid oxygen for hospitals and bulk transport.
For most of the local ambulance and rescue units we just swap empty
tanks as needed.
Where do we swap out our "medical oxygen" tanks? The local welding
supply place, who fill medical O2 and welding O2 from the same tank....
--
Steve W.
Neon John
Feb 28, 2017, 12:35:16 PM2/28/17
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 19:41:31 -0800, pyotr filipivich
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> I'm still curious as to how one can have compounds in a 100% or
>even 99.9% Oxy environment.
Because commercially pure (medical or welding) gas simply isn't that
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> I'm still curious as to how one can have compounds in a 100% or
>even 99.9% Oxy environment.
pure. In all but the smallest plants, oxygen, nitrogen and argon
tanks are filled by boiling that component of liquid air, separated by
a fractionation tower. Oxygen contains a little nitrogen and all the
compressed gases contain traces of helium.
Research grade (so called "5 9s") gas is made by refining the
commercial grade gas through filters, catalysts and absorbers. That
gas is quite expensive (I pay $1/liter in 200 liter cylinders for neon
for my sign making) and has little commercial use.
John
>>
>>>>
>>>> When medical OX is made, the pump is in a nylon pump and it squeezes the
>>>> oxygen by squeezing a hose from a series of filters into the tank.
own "E" tanks, oxygen is NOT compressed. Much more efficient to boil
the liquid.
Even when an oxygen compressor is used, it contains no nylon. The
nylon would diesel on the compression stroke. My experience with
breathing air and oxygen compressors is that they use a mica-graphite
compound for seals and piston rings.
John
Jim Wilkins
Feb 28, 2017, 1:45:18 PM2/28/17
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"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> .....
:
http://www.ozoneapplications.com/info/ozone_compatible_materials.htm
http://www.ozoneservices.com/articles/004.htm
Mixtures of active materials may not spontaneously react:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activation_energy
That's why we can store and handle high explosives.
-jsw
> .....
> I'm still curious as to how one can have compounds in a 100% or
> even 99.9% Oxy environment.
http://www.documentation.emersonprocess.com/groups/public/documents/bulletins/d100071x012.pdf
> even 99.9% Oxy environment.
:
http://www.ozoneapplications.com/info/ozone_compatible_materials.htm
http://www.ozoneservices.com/articles/004.htm
Mixtures of active materials may not spontaneously react:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activation_energy
That's why we can store and handle high explosives.
-jsw
rangerssuck
Mar 1, 2017, 10:24:01 AM3/1/17
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2) is there less expensive neon available? What would be the consequence (color difference, maybe?) of using it? Just wondering.
JPB
Jim Wilkins
Mar 1, 2017, 11:00:16 AM3/1/17
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"rangerssuck" <range...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_separation
news:a28d5ca9-6138-4667...@googlegroups.com...
rangerssuck
Mar 2, 2017, 9:55:20 AM3/2/17
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Jim Wilkins
Mar 2, 2017, 11:50:29 AM3/2/17
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"rangerssuck" <range...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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What walks on four legs in the morning, two legs at noon and three in
the afternoon?
-Sophocles
rangerssuck
Mar 2, 2017, 12:18:53 PM3/2/17
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What has four wheels and flies?
Jim Wilkins
Mar 2, 2017, 12:54:57 PM3/2/17
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A garbage truck.
rangerssuck
Mar 2, 2017, 2:42:27 PM3/2/17
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Volker Borchert
Mar 2, 2017, 4:03:12 PM3/2/17
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Jim Wilkins wrote:
> Good. Try your well-oiled brain on the Riddle of the Sphinx:
>
> What walks on four legs in the morning, two legs at noon and three in
> the afternoon?
A person: crawls on all fours, walks upright, uses a stick.
> Good. Try your well-oiled brain on the Riddle of the Sphinx:
>
> What walks on four legs in the morning, two legs at noon and three in
> the afternoon?
--
"I'm a doctor, not a mechanic." Dr Leonard McCoy <mc...@ncc1701.starfleet.fed>
"I'm a mechanic, not a doctor." Volker Borchert <v_bor...@despammed.com>
pyotr filipivich
Mar 2, 2017, 5:36:40 PM3/2/17
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rangerssuck <range...@gmail.com> on Thu, 2 Mar 2017 11:42:25 -0800
(PST) typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Why did the monkey fall out of the tree?
(PST) typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>
>> >> > thanks. More information I will never use, but it does keep the
>> >> > brain lubricated.
>> >>
>> >> Good. Try your well-oiled brain on the Riddle of the Sphinx:
>> >>
>> >> What walks on four legs in the morning, two legs at noon and three
>> >> in
>> >> the afternoon?
>> >> -Sophocles
>> >
>> > me, though the three is not so often yet, depending on a number of
>> > things.
>> >
>> > What has four wheels and flies?
>>
>> A garbage truck.
>
>Alrighty then... we both qualify for second grade. So, to kick it up a notch: what starts with "F" and ends with "UCK?"
Frozen fish truck.
>> >> > thanks. More information I will never use, but it does keep the
>> >> > brain lubricated.
>> >>
>> >> Good. Try your well-oiled brain on the Riddle of the Sphinx:
>> >>
>> >> What walks on four legs in the morning, two legs at noon and three
>> >> in
>> >> the afternoon?
>> >> -Sophocles
>> >
>> > me, though the three is not so often yet, depending on a number of
>> > things.
>> >
>> > What has four wheels and flies?
>>
>> A garbage truck.
>
>Alrighty then... we both qualify for second grade. So, to kick it up a notch: what starts with "F" and ends with "UCK?"
Why did the monkey fall out of the tree?
Jim Wilkins
Mar 2, 2017, 6:08:44 PM3/2/17
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Firetruck
Jim Wilkins
Mar 2, 2017, 6:10:20 PM3/2/17
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Gravity
Jim Wilkins
Mar 2, 2017, 8:51:43 PM3/2/17
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"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The RMS Titanic broke in half at the surface and spilled some of its
coal and boilers, which fell in a small cluster that almost certainly
marks the breakup position. However the Captain's hasty initial
distress message placed the ship 20 miles further west, almost an
hour's steaming and much more than the uncertainty of clear weather
navigation back then. They had taken a star sight only 4 hours earlier
and were accurate within about a more typical mile in latitude.
Titanic subsequently radioed a corrected position that was still 14
miles too far westward, on the far side of the ice field.
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/community/attachments/copy-of-expanded-area-chart-jpg.1388/
The rescue ships headed for the reported position instead of the
actual one and the survivors were fortunate that their lifeboats had
drifted toward the track of Carpathia, whose captain covered up the
error by claiming he rushed to the SOS position at a miraculously high
speed. No one knew better until Ballard found the wreck.
-jsw
news:o9a8i4$rn7$1...@dont-email.me...
>> Alrighty then... we both qualify for second grade. So, to kick it
>> up a notch: what starts with "F" and ends with "UCK?"
>
> Firetruck
Here's a real puzzle that remains to be solved.
>> up a notch: what starts with "F" and ends with "UCK?"
>
> Firetruck
The RMS Titanic broke in half at the surface and spilled some of its
coal and boilers, which fell in a small cluster that almost certainly
marks the breakup position. However the Captain's hasty initial
distress message placed the ship 20 miles further west, almost an
hour's steaming and much more than the uncertainty of clear weather
navigation back then. They had taken a star sight only 4 hours earlier
and were accurate within about a more typical mile in latitude.
Titanic subsequently radioed a corrected position that was still 14
miles too far westward, on the far side of the ice field.
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/community/attachments/copy-of-expanded-area-chart-jpg.1388/
The rescue ships headed for the reported position instead of the
actual one and the survivors were fortunate that their lifeboats had
drifted toward the track of Carpathia, whose captain covered up the
error by claiming he rushed to the SOS position at a miraculously high
speed. No one knew better until Ballard found the wreck.
-jsw
Michael A. Terrell
Mar 3, 2017, 1:55:49 AM3/3/17
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rangerssuck wrote:
>
> What has four wheels and flies?
Ed Huntress, he has lots of flies!
>
> What has four wheels and flies?
Michael A. Terrell
Mar 3, 2017, 1:59:22 AM3/3/17
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pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
> Why did the monkey fall out of the tree?
It ate too many fermented bananas. :)
>
> Why did the monkey fall out of the tree?
Michael A. Terrell
Mar 3, 2017, 2:04:48 AM3/3/17
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>> What has four wheels and flies?
>
> A garbage truck.
All of the Garbage trucks that I've seen have dual rear wheels.
>
> A garbage truck.
Jim Wilkins
Mar 3, 2017, 6:30:36 AM3/3/17
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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> "rangerssuck" <range...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> What has four wheels and flies?
>>
>> A garbage truck.
>
>
>
> All of the Garbage trucks that I've seen have dual rear wheels.
It was a manure wagon in the original Latin.
>> "rangerssuck" <range...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> What has four wheels and flies?
>>
>> A garbage truck.
>
>
>
> All of the Garbage trucks that I've seen have dual rear wheels.
bruce2...@gmail.com
Mar 3, 2017, 9:12:16 AM3/3/17
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- hide quoted text -
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7SYboDdRNVE
> rangerssuck <range...@gmail.com> on Thu, 2 Mar 2017
> 11:42:25 -0800
> (PST) typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>
>>> >> > thanks. More information I will never use, but it does keep
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > brain lubricated.
>>> >>
>>> >> Good. Try your well-oiled brain on the Riddle of the Sphinx:
>>> >>
>>> >> What walks on four legs in the morning, two legs at noon and
>>> >> three
>>> >> in
>>> >> the afternoon?
>>> >> -Sophocles
>>> >
>>> > me, though the three is not so often yet, depending on a number
>>> > of
>>> > things.
>>> >
>>> > What has four wheels and flies?
>>>
>>> A garbage truck.
>>
>>Alrighty then... we both qualify for second grade. So, to kick it up
>>a notch: what starts with "F" and ends with "UCK?"
>
> Frozen fish truck.
>
> Why did the monkey fall out of the tree?
I don't know, but have you seen the chimp running with the dog video?
> 11:42:25 -0800
> (PST) typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>
>>> >> > thanks. More information I will never use, but it does keep
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > brain lubricated.
>>> >>
>>> >> Good. Try your well-oiled brain on the Riddle of the Sphinx:
>>> >>
>>> >> What walks on four legs in the morning, two legs at noon and
>>> >> three
>>> >> in
>>> >> the afternoon?
>>> >> -Sophocles
>>> >
>>> > me, though the three is not so often yet, depending on a number
>>> > of
>>> > things.
>>> >
>>> > What has four wheels and flies?
>>>
>>> A garbage truck.
>>
>>Alrighty then... we both qualify for second grade. So, to kick it up
>>a notch: what starts with "F" and ends with "UCK?"
>
> Frozen fish truck.
>
> Why did the monkey fall out of the tree?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7SYboDdRNVE
Larry Jaques
Mar 3, 2017, 10:36:45 AM3/3/17
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On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 06:32:01 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
<murat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:u-udnTwLeKoXiCTF...@earthlink.com...
>> Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>> "rangerssuck" <range...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> What has four wheels and flies?
>>>
>>> A garbage truck.
>>
>>
>>
>> All of the Garbage trucks that I've seen have dual rear wheels.
Ayup, still in 4th grade...
<murat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:u-udnTwLeKoXiCTF...@earthlink.com...
>> Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>> "rangerssuck" <range...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> What has four wheels and flies?
>>>
>>> A garbage truck.
>>
>>
>>
>> All of the Garbage trucks that I've seen have dual rear wheels.
>It was a manure wagon in the original Latin.
wouldn't be PC in today's schools. <sigh> Well, that's about to
change, thank Crom.
--
Happiness is not a station you arrive at, but a manner of traveling.
-- Margaret Lee Runbeck
Volker Borchert
Mar 3, 2017, 3:03:15 PM3/3/17
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rangerssuck wrote:
> What has four wheels and flies?
A Citroen 2CV that tripped an anti-tank mine.
> What has four wheels and flies?
Jim Wilkins
Mar 3, 2017, 5:07:34 PM3/3/17
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"Volker Borchert" <v_bor...@despammed.com> wrote in message
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what do we do?
Captain Blackadder: Well, normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump up
200 feet into the air and scatter yourself over a wide area.
news:o9cgq8$9al$1...@Gaia.teknon.de...
> rangerssuck wrote:
>
>> What has four wheels and flies?
>
> A Citroen 2CV that tripped an anti-tank mine.
>
>
>> What has four wheels and flies?
>
> A Citroen 2CV that tripped an anti-tank mine.
>
> "I'm a doctor, not a mechanic." Dr Leonard McCoy
> <mc...@ncc1701.starfleet.fed>
> "I'm a mechanic, not a doctor." Volker Borchert
> <v_bor...@despammed.com>
Lieutenant George: Oh, sir, if we should happen to tread on a mine,
> <mc...@ncc1701.starfleet.fed>
> "I'm a mechanic, not a doctor." Volker Borchert
> <v_bor...@despammed.com>
what do we do?
Captain Blackadder: Well, normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump up
200 feet into the air and scatter yourself over a wide area.
Larry Jaques
Mar 3, 2017, 8:59:59 PM3/3/17
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yours much better.
Jim Wilkins
Mar 3, 2017, 10:30:28 PM3/3/17
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"Larry Jaques" <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote in message
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Hugh Laurie played "Lieutenant George". He's better known as Dr.
House.
-jsw
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> On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 17:09:04 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
> <murat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"Volker Borchert" <v_bor...@despammed.com> wrote in message
>>news:o9cgq8$9al$1...@Gaia.teknon.de...
>>> rangerssuck wrote:
>>>
>>>> What has four wheels and flies?
>>>
>>> A Citroen 2CV that tripped an anti-tank mine.
>>>
>>> "I'm a doctor, not a mechanic." Dr Leonard McCoy
>>> <mc...@ncc1701.starfleet.fed>
>>> "I'm a mechanic, not a doctor." Volker Borchert
>>> <v_bor...@despammed.com>
>>
>>Lieutenant George: Oh, sir, if we should happen to tread on a mine,
>>what do we do?
>>Captain Blackadder: Well, normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump
>>up
>>200 feet into the air and scatter yourself over a wide area.
>
> LOL! I was going to modify it to "and flies into pieces", but I
> like
> yours much better.
>
"Blackadder" was a BBC comedy shown on PBS.
> <murat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"Volker Borchert" <v_bor...@despammed.com> wrote in message
>>news:o9cgq8$9al$1...@Gaia.teknon.de...
>>> rangerssuck wrote:
>>>
>>>> What has four wheels and flies?
>>>
>>> A Citroen 2CV that tripped an anti-tank mine.
>>>
>>> "I'm a doctor, not a mechanic." Dr Leonard McCoy
>>> <mc...@ncc1701.starfleet.fed>
>>> "I'm a mechanic, not a doctor." Volker Borchert
>>> <v_bor...@despammed.com>
>>
>>Lieutenant George: Oh, sir, if we should happen to tread on a mine,
>>what do we do?
>>Captain Blackadder: Well, normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump
>>up
>>200 feet into the air and scatter yourself over a wide area.
>
> LOL! I was going to modify it to "and flies into pieces", but I
> like
> yours much better.
>
Hugh Laurie played "Lieutenant George". He's better known as Dr.
House.
-jsw
Larry Jaques
Mar 3, 2017, 10:50:27 PM3/3/17
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On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 22:31:55 -0500, "Jim Wilkins"
I had already been weaned from TV for many years before House came on,
but my friend told me about it and said it was on Netflix. OMG, I
loved that show! What a hoot! RIP, House, MD.
Youtubing Blackadder now...Rowan Atkinson and a laugh track? Sorry,
no way. Monty Python they ain't.
but my friend told me about it and said it was on Netflix. OMG, I
loved that show! What a hoot! RIP, House, MD.
Youtubing Blackadder now...Rowan Atkinson and a laugh track? Sorry,
no way. Monty Python they ain't.
Jim Wilkins
Mar 4, 2017, 7:58:52 AM3/4/17
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news:k2ekbc9i8bkpp28pm...@4ax.com...
Atkinson didn't impress me as much as Baldrick and Miranda
Richardson's Queen Elizabeth. I couldn't stand Mr Bean.
Richardson's Queen Elizabeth. I couldn't stand Mr Bean.
edhun...@gmail.com
Mar 4, 2017, 9:18:12 PM3/4/17
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On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 1:55:49 AM UTC-5, Michael Terrell wrote:
> rangerssuck wrote:
> >
> > What has four wheels and flies?
>
>
> Ed Huntress, he has lots of flies!
I started tying them just last week. Lots of Light Cahills, a few Dark Hendricksons, sizes 12 through 16, and a few big March Browns and marabou streamers for early season, which is coming soon.
> rangerssuck wrote:
> >
> > What has four wheels and flies?
>
>
> Ed Huntress, he has lots of flies!
They're not like the ones your neighbors have -- the ones that ride in and out your acreen doors on the backs of the chickens...
--
Ed Huntress
edhun...@gmail.com
Mar 4, 2017, 9:21:15 PM3/4/17
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On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 3:03:15 PM UTC-5, Volker Borchert wrote:
> rangerssuck wrote:
>
> > What has four wheels and flies?
>
> A Citroen 2CV that tripped an anti-tank mine.
>
Do they still have those things in Europe? I have a not-so-fond memory of riding up a mountain in Switzerland in one, in reverse gear.
> rangerssuck wrote:
>
> > What has four wheels and flies?
>
> A Citroen 2CV that tripped an anti-tank mine.
>
--
Ed Huntress
Volker Borchert
Mar 5, 2017, 3:03:19 AM3/5/17
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edhun...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 3:03:15 PM UTC-5, Volker Borchert wrote:
> > rangerssuck wrote:
> >
> > > What has four wheels and flies?
> >
> > A Citroen 2CV that tripped an anti-tank mine.
> >
>
> Do they still have those things in Europe?
Too few, but there are some.
> On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 3:03:15 PM UTC-5, Volker Borchert wrote:
> > rangerssuck wrote:
> >
> > > What has four wheels and flies?
> >
> > A Citroen 2CV that tripped an anti-tank mine.
> >
>
> Do they still have those things in Europe?
rangerssuck
Mar 5, 2017, 9:06:53 AM3/5/17
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On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 5:36:40 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> rangerssuck <range...@gmail.com> on Thu, 2 Mar 2017 11:42:25 -0800
> (PST) typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
> >
> >> >> > thanks. More information I will never use, but it does keep the
> >> >> > brain lubricated.
> >> >>
> >> >> Good. Try your well-oiled brain on the Riddle of the Sphinx:
> >> >>
> >> >> What walks on four legs in the morning, two legs at noon and three
> >> >> in
> >> >> the afternoon?
> >> >> -Sophocles
> >> >
> >> > me, though the three is not so often yet, depending on a number of
> >> > things.
> >> >
> >> > What has four wheels and flies?
> >>
> >> A garbage truck.
> >
> >Alrighty then... we both qualify for second grade. So, to kick it up a notch: what starts with "F" and ends with "UCK?"
>
> Frozen fish truck.
Good one, but I was looking for fire truck.
> rangerssuck <range...@gmail.com> on Thu, 2 Mar 2017 11:42:25 -0800
> (PST) typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
> >
> >> >> > thanks. More information I will never use, but it does keep the
> >> >> > brain lubricated.
> >> >>
> >> >> Good. Try your well-oiled brain on the Riddle of the Sphinx:
> >> >>
> >> >> What walks on four legs in the morning, two legs at noon and three
> >> >> in
> >> >> the afternoon?
> >> >> -Sophocles
> >> >
> >> > me, though the three is not so often yet, depending on a number of
> >> > things.
> >> >
> >> > What has four wheels and flies?
> >>
> >> A garbage truck.
> >
> >Alrighty then... we both qualify for second grade. So, to kick it up a notch: what starts with "F" and ends with "UCK?"
>
> Frozen fish truck.
>
> Why did the monkey fall out of the tree?
Gunner Asch
Mar 5, 2017, 9:30:14 AM3/5/17
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On 5 Mar 2017 07:41:59 GMT, v_bor...@despammed.com (Volker Borchert)
wrote:
>edhun...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 3:03:15 PM UTC-5, Volker Borchert wrote:
>> > rangerssuck wrote:
>> >
>> > > What has four wheels and flies?
>> >
>> > A Citroen 2CV that tripped an anti-tank mine.
>> >
>>
>> Do they still have those things in Europe?
>
>Too few, but there are some.
Verdun and a host of other places have thousands of them.
Landmines...the gift that keeps on giving.
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>edhun...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 3:03:15 PM UTC-5, Volker Borchert wrote:
>> > rangerssuck wrote:
>> >
>> > > What has four wheels and flies?
>> >
>> > A Citroen 2CV that tripped an anti-tank mine.
>> >
>>
>> Do they still have those things in Europe?
>
>Too few, but there are some.
Landmines...the gift that keeps on giving.
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David Lesher
Mar 31, 2017, 2:16:11 PM3/31/17
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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> writes:
> The reduction towers are huge, and the pumps are noisy. I used to
>live near it, and I was involved in the upgrade when the sections of new
>towers were transported from the Ohio river, through our cable TV
>system.
I never knew you could transport towers via CATV.
Does it require a newer than DOCSIS III modem?
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A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
> The reduction towers are huge, and the pumps are noisy. I used to
>live near it, and I was involved in the upgrade when the sections of new
>towers were transported from the Ohio river, through our cable TV
>system.
I never knew you could transport towers via CATV.
Does it require a newer than DOCSIS III modem?
--
A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com
& no one will talk to a host that's close..........................
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
David Lesher
Mar 31, 2017, 2:21:09 PM3/31/17
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Robert Nichols <SEE_SI...@localhost.localdomain.invalid> writes:
>On 02/11/2017 10:01 PM, cecil...@gmail.com wrote:
>> So I got a cylinder from a friend, that is a Avox System 9700 series, 11.0 CU FT 1800 PSI. Which I really really like, but I am confuse about if I have to refill it which O2 should I use, what if I just can not get aviators oxygen?
>Aviators oxygen is required to have very low moisture content. At high altitude, excess moisture could freeze and block O2 lines.
>Here's an interesting quote I ran across at <http://www.c-f-c.com/supportdocs/abo1.htm>:
> "Also of interest, we have been told by the suppliers of welding oxygen, the purity level required for welding and cutting purposes is more critical than for breathing."
I recall reading 20+ years ago who wanted to avoid aviation O2 prices, and used welding O2.
The fun part was he got the FAA to admit, in writing, that such was within the FAR's and
fully legal.
>On 02/11/2017 10:01 PM, cecil...@gmail.com wrote:
>> So I got a cylinder from a friend, that is a Avox System 9700 series, 11.0 CU FT 1800 PSI. Which I really really like, but I am confuse about if I have to refill it which O2 should I use, what if I just can not get aviators oxygen?
>Aviators oxygen is required to have very low moisture content. At high altitude, excess moisture could freeze and block O2 lines.
>Here's an interesting quote I ran across at <http://www.c-f-c.com/supportdocs/abo1.htm>:
> "Also of interest, we have been told by the suppliers of welding oxygen, the purity level required for welding and cutting purposes is more critical than for breathing."
I recall reading 20+ years ago who wanted to avoid aviation O2 prices, and used welding O2.
The fun part was he got the FAA to admit, in writing, that such was within the FAR's and
fully legal.
David Lesher
Mar 31, 2017, 2:58:35 PM3/31/17
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"Steve W." <csr...@NOTyahoo.com> writes:
>As a medic who uses "medical" oxygen a lot. You basically have steel
>tanks, aluminum tanks and some stainless steel.
>Steel are usually higher pressure units, used as vehicle born or
>stationary tanks feeding into a manifold. There are steel portable tanks
>still out there but they are a dying item. As they fail hydro they are
>replaced by aluminum.
>Stainless are usually liquid oxygen for hospitals and bulk transport.
And guess which you use in the MRI suite...
BTW, there are also fiberglass O2 bottles. I knew a SF Ranger
who made HAHO insertations. The only metal he carried was
the barrel/receiver of his weapon & ammunition, and that in a
graphite bag to minimize the radar signature. (The boots had no
metal islets, etc.) He described the procedure as "....cold..."
>As a medic who uses "medical" oxygen a lot. You basically have steel
>tanks, aluminum tanks and some stainless steel.
>Steel are usually higher pressure units, used as vehicle born or
>stationary tanks feeding into a manifold. There are steel portable tanks
>still out there but they are a dying item. As they fail hydro they are
>replaced by aluminum.
>Stainless are usually liquid oxygen for hospitals and bulk transport.
And guess which you use in the MRI suite...
BTW, there are also fiberglass O2 bottles. I knew a SF Ranger
who made HAHO insertations. The only metal he carried was
the barrel/receiver of his weapon & ammunition, and that in a
graphite bag to minimize the radar signature. (The boots had no
metal islets, etc.) He described the procedure as "....cold..."
Michael A. Terrell
Apr 1, 2017, 4:12:47 PM4/1/17
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David Lesher wrote:
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> writes:
>
>
>
>
>
>> The reduction towers are huge, and the pumps are noisy. I used to
>> live near it, and I was involved in the upgrade when the sections of new
>> towers were transported from the Ohio river, through our cable TV
>> system.
>
>
> I never knew you could transport towers via CATV.
> Does it require a newer than DOCSIS III modem?
No, DOCSIS didn't exist in the early '80s, so they used 40 axle,
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> writes:
>
>
>
>
>
>> The reduction towers are huge, and the pumps are noisy. I used to
>> live near it, and I was involved in the upgrade when the sections of new
>> towers were transported from the Ohio river, through our cable TV
>> system.
>
>
> I never knew you could transport towers via CATV.
> Does it require a newer than DOCSIS III modem?
4,000 HP crawlers with a top speed of a couple miles an hour. The trip
took days, and it required shutting down part of State RT 4 in SW Ohio.
The sections of the cooling towers were unloaded from a barge at Delhi
Township. It had to climb some steep hills, then it traveled around
Hamilton Ohio on Bypass 4. It then took St Rt4 to Engele's Corner just
south of Middletown, right onto Oxford State Road, then left onto Yankee
Road where the Air Products plant is located. Overhead utilities had to
be raised, or removed to allow it to pass. Since CATV lines are the
lowest, we had the most physical plant to remove. We had two crews
working with the rigging company. the first removed deops that crossed
the road, just ahead of the crawlers, and the second reinstalled them as
they followed it.
<https://www.google.com/maps/place/Air+Products/@39.488846,-84.397463,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x106f597f0d4863a3!8m2!3d39.488846!4d-84.397463>
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