Who will be the first?
Steve B
and Tyrants."
Thomas Jefferson
John R. Carroll
"Steve B" <desertt...@dishymail.net> wrote in message
news:9bik77-...@news.infowest.com...
> "Occasionally the tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of
> Patriots and Tyrants."
>
> Thomas Jefferson
John Boehner is out in front on this one. Last night, from the floor of the
House of Representatives, he put a gun to his head and then pulled the
trigger big time.
LOL
"No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans
scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to
re-open the 'doughnut hole' and charge seniors more for prescription drugs?
How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a
pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year-olds from their
parents' insurance coverage? And even if the votes were there -- would
President Obama sign such a repeal?" - David Frum
JC
Ed Huntress
> Patriots and Tyrants."
>
> Thomas Jefferson
"The people cannot be all, & always well informed...Let them take arms. The
remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them." -- Thomas
Jefferson (in the same letter from which you quoted)
I'm not so sure about the "pardon" part, and educating them as to the facts
is a Herculean burden, but pacifying the teabaggers should be as difficult a
task as confusing the Keystone Cops.
--
Ed Huntress
Pete C.
Dude, take your meds and get back to metalworking...
Gunner Asch
wrote:
The clock is indeed ticking. Despite what Leftists wish to believe.
I hope you are prepared for it.
And one assumes that you accept quotes from Mao, Trotsky, Lenin and Marx
far more than you do those of our Founders.
Pity. Have you written out a will yet? Might be time.
Gunner
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.
This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost
Pete C.
Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:38:44 -0600, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Steve B wrote:
> >>
> >> "Occasionally the tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of Patriots
> >> and Tyrants."
> >>
> >> Thomas Jefferson
> >
> >Dude, take your meds and get back to metalworking...
>
> The clock is indeed ticking. Despite what Leftists wish to believe.
Ticking and off topic.
>
> I hope you are prepared for it.
I'm prepared for most any contingency.
>
> And one assumes that you accept quotes from Mao, Trotsky, Lenin and Marx
> far more than you do those of our Founders.
None of the above actually.
>
> Pity. Have you written out a will yet? Might be time.
Wills are for people with relatives / dependents.
Pete C.
Gunner Asch wrote:
>
<off topic snipped>
Oh yea, I've been doing quite a bit of plasma cutting, welding and
grinding lately, what have you done on-topic?
Ed Huntress
"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fbqfq5pqd6sde92hg...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:38:44 -0600, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Steve B wrote:
>>>
>>> "Occasionally the tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of
>>> Patriots
>>> and Tyrants."
>>>
>>> Thomas Jefferson
>>
>>Dude, take your meds and get back to metalworking...
>
>
> The clock is indeed ticking. Despite what Leftists wish to believe.
>
> I hope you are prepared for it.
>
> And one assumes that you accept quotes from Mao, Trotsky, Lenin and Marx
> far more than you do those of our Founders.
>
>
> Pity. Have you written out a will yet? Might be time.
And when they catch your Sons of Timothy McVeigh, shall we warm up Old
Sparky, or will you settle for lethal injection?
--
Ed Huntress
Wes
I'm working on making 10 .188D x .255" long brass pins with .100" of 10/32 threads on the
end. I'm curious how deep a cut I can take to minimize my number of passes. The pins are
360 Brass.
They are cam pins for the gatling gun I'm building.
I set up a long travel dial indicator on the saddle and use it for length of threading.
I'm only using power to get the tool close to the work each pass. The cutting I'm doing
by cranking the spindle. That clutch/brake system on my 6903 is pretty handy.
I'm also damn glad I built the tooling to run 5c collets.
Now a bit of OT. November is when the culling takes place. At the ballot box. I'm not
betting on any specific outcome.
So how deep a cut can I take for each threading pass in brass? Never threaded brass
before.
Wes
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Pity. How about an animal rescue organization as recepient?
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>
Got the Miller 2010 running and built a PVC pipe (1"-18") slotter up and
in production. Started a second company and Im home for a week and
cleaning out the back 40, moving Hardinge lathes around, the two "new"
mills up and running. Tommorow Ive got to rebuilt 2 Lipe RollAway bar
feeders and get them down to LA, as I sold one and traded one for a
Lagun FTV mill. One is 12', the other is a short 8 footer.
I just came into the house after grinding spacers to a consistant
thickness so I can put em on the arbor shafts of the pipe slitter. Im
only running 30-40 saw blades at a time, and having a thick or non flat
spacer really screws up the slot pattern on a 20' joint of PVC.
I think Ive ground about 200 various thickness spacers on my 618 surface
grinder (love that big big mag chuck).
Other than that..not doing all that much, the economy in California is
in the toilet, and manufacturing is dying like a Leftard 30 minutes
after the Great Cull starts.
Oh..and Ive got to get Jon Andersons right angle Bridgeport adapter
crated up along with the arbor and get it shipped up north to him.
Now that the torential rains have stopped, the ground is hard enough
that I could move the forklift and cleaned out the spare machines from
the new and improved shop yesterday and out to storage in the back 40.
Ive been in LA for the past 2 weeks taking care of customers and that
slotting and perferating shop Im partners in, was home for 5
days..rained every day I was home, so only could do stuff inside. Redid
my reloading shop benches and started organizing my ammo storage, ripped
out all my machines, respotted them, set em up and so forth. Now Im
looking for a drive belt for the Clausing 5100 15x52 lathe, because Ive
got some local oilfield work that needs machined. That pesky 7.5 hp
motor simply wouldnt run on my 5hp RPC, so installed a 10hp VFD to run
it from single phase. Shrug...lots of other stuff, which I could go
into detail about, if I thought you would give a shit. I was working in
LA for 4 weeks before that..shrug
Gunner Asch
Frankly..Id use threading die on something that small, unless I fired up
my OmniTurn CNC lathe (out back), and then turned the die around and
used the small end to butt the thread to the end of the brass threaded
area. But thats just me. Brass threads nicely with dies and its fast.
Pete C.
Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:36:37 -0600, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Gunner Asch wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:38:44 -0600, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Steve B wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> "Occasionally the tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of Patriots
> >> >> and Tyrants."
> >> >>
> >> >> Thomas Jefferson
> >> >
> >> >Dude, take your meds and get back to metalworking...
> >>
> >> The clock is indeed ticking. Despite what Leftists wish to believe.
> >
> >Ticking and off topic.
> >
> >>
> >> I hope you are prepared for it.
> >
> >I'm prepared for most any contingency.
> >
> >>
> >> And one assumes that you accept quotes from Mao, Trotsky, Lenin and Marx
> >> far more than you do those of our Founders.
> >
> >None of the above actually.
> >
> >>
> >> Pity. Have you written out a will yet? Might be time.
> >
> >Wills are for people with relatives / dependents.
>
> Pity. How about an animal rescue organization as recepient?
Can't find one that will guarantee the inheritance will only be used to
help cats.
Pete C.
You got all that going and have time left for off topic junk???
I've been working on a truck box for my new truck. Since the truck has a
severe lack of interior storage space I need a box in the bed, but
nobody makes one like I want, so I bought one that was somewhat close
and reworked it. I finished it last week and I pick it up from the local
Line-X shop tomorrow. I'm installing an inverter and a compressor in it,
so I've got a bit more work to do, but it's getting there. All the weld
grinding has done a number on my carpal tunnel though, which sucks.
After completing the truck box I have to de-winterize my camper for an
upcoming weekend trip, and as the weather is finally improving I have a
few other shop projects to get back to.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>
>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:36:37 -0600, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Gunner Asch wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:38:44 -0600, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Steve B wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Occasionally the tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of Patriots
>> >> >> and Tyrants."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thomas Jefferson
>> >> >
>> >> >Dude, take your meds and get back to metalworking...
>> >>
>> >> The clock is indeed ticking. Despite what Leftists wish to believe.
>> >
>> >Ticking and off topic.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I hope you are prepared for it.
>> >
>> >I'm prepared for most any contingency.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> And one assumes that you accept quotes from Mao, Trotsky, Lenin and Marx
>> >> far more than you do those of our Founders.
>> >
>> >None of the above actually.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Pity. Have you written out a will yet? Might be time.
>> >
>> >Wills are for people with relatives / dependents.
>>
>> Pity. How about an animal rescue organization as recepient?
>
>Can't find one that will guarantee the inheritance will only be used to
>help cats.
There are many thousands of them out there that cater to cat rescue and
have good reputations.
I used to donate to 2 of them within 50 miles of my local in Central
California, before the Leftwingers turned California into #3 worst
depressed state in the union.
Larry Jaques
<aux3....@snet.net> scrawled the following:
He's probably out casting lead as we speak. <titter>
--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, we
shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do.
-- Samuel Butler
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Of course I do. Im only 56, and can multi task quite well. You cant?
Pity.
>
>I've been working on a truck box for my new truck. Since the truck has a
>severe lack of interior storage space I need a box in the bed, but
>nobody makes one like I want, so I bought one that was somewhat close
>and reworked it. I finished it last week and I pick it up from the local
>Line-X shop tomorrow. I'm installing an inverter and a compressor in it,
>so I've got a bit more work to do, but it's getting there. All the weld
>grinding has done a number on my carpal tunnel though, which sucks.
Where did you put the box..in the bed or under it? Pickup or 6 wheeler?
>
>After completing the truck box I have to de-winterize my camper for an
>upcoming weekend trip, and as the weather is finally improving I have a
>few other shop projects to get back to.
So you are employed full time at a 9-5? No wonder you cant get much
done. Shrug.
But keep up the good work. Sounds like you are doing ok.
Gunner Asch
<lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:38:44 -0600, the infamous "Pete C."
><aux3....@snet.net> scrawled the following:
>
>>
>>Steve B wrote:
>>>
>>> "Occasionally the tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of Patriots
>>> and Tyrants."
>>>
>>> Thomas Jefferson
>>
>>Dude, take your meds and get back to metalworking...
>
>He's probably out casting lead as we speak. <titter>
No..but Ive located a 12" bull plug and a nice old cast iron burner and
have them partially assembled into a "rouging" pot. I snagged some 300
lbs or more of wheel weights in the last month or so and need to do a
meltdown, get rid of the wheel clips, flux and then cast into ingots so
Ive got lead on hand for the upcoming shooting season.
Thanks! for reminding me. Ill see what I can get done in the next day
or two. Ill be running it off of house natural gas.
pyotr filipivich
about Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:41:28 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>
>>
>>>
>>> Pity. Have you written out a will yet? Might be time.
>>
>>Wills are for people with relatives / dependents.
>
>Pity. How about an animal rescue organization as recepient?
But hasn't the Humane Society just become another front for PETA?
(And don't the PETA/PAWS shelters have the worse rate for
"termination" of unwanted companion animals?) Which means that they'd
be more than likely to be putting him down, anyway.
Oh, wait, you meant he could leave his worldly goods to an animal
rescue organization. My mistake, I thought you meant to to ... well,
strip my gears and call me shiftless. (You realize,as well, that as a
proper Marxist, err progressive, he doesn't believe in private
property?)
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
Pete C.
pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
> Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on or
> about Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:41:28 -0700 did write/type or cause to
> appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Pity. Have you written out a will yet? Might be time.
> >>
> >>Wills are for people with relatives / dependents.
> >
> >Pity. How about an animal rescue organization as recepient?
>
> But hasn't the Humane Society just become another front for PETA?
> (And don't the PETA/PAWS shelters have the worse rate for
> "termination" of unwanted companion animals?) Which means that they'd
> be more than likely to be putting him down, anyway.
>
> Oh, wait, you meant he could leave his worldly goods to an animal
> rescue organization. My mistake, I thought you meant to to ... well,
> strip my gears and call me shiftless. (You realize,as well, that as a
> proper Marxist, err progressive, he doesn't believe in private
> property?)
Perhaps you should look at the thread and see who you're talking about.
I'm a centrist extremist and as anti-socialist as they come.
Pete C.
I'm in Texas, we still have a relatively booming economy here. Work and
other activities also take up my multi-tasking time.
> >
> >I've been working on a truck box for my new truck. Since the truck has a
> >severe lack of interior storage space I need a box in the bed, but
> >nobody makes one like I want, so I bought one that was somewhat close
> >and reworked it. I finished it last week and I pick it up from the local
> >Line-X shop tomorrow. I'm installing an inverter and a compressor in it,
> >so I've got a bit more work to do, but it's getting there. All the weld
> >grinding has done a number on my carpal tunnel though, which sucks.
>
> Where did you put the box..in the bed or under it? Pickup or 6 wheeler?
CC, LB, DRW F350. The box was intended as an underbody box, but I am
putting it in the bed across behind the cab. 60" width, 18" high, and
cut down to 12" deep. I carry a truck camper from time to time, so don't
want to push it too far back.
The box is setup for quick mounting / removal, with the power feed to
the inverter and compressor that will be in it connected via a 175A
forklift type connector. Pushing the camper back 12" isn't a problem for
the truck, but if I am towing my trailer at the same time, the overhang
will get in the way, so I will be able to remove the box from the truck
and put it in the trailer in short order. Should work out nicely.
I also put 8 5/16-18 mounting points on the top of the box so I can
secure additional racks as needed, i.e. a rack to hold my little Honda
generator and a few fuel cans on top of the box in the nice sheltered
space under the camper overhang. Got some nice stainless button head
tamper torx screws to secure stuff.
> >
> >After completing the truck box I have to de-winterize my camper for an
> >upcoming weekend trip, and as the weather is finally improving I have a
> >few other shop projects to get back to.
>
> So you are employed full time at a 9-5? No wonder you cant get much
> done. Shrug.
9-5? More like 24x7 with being on call much of the time. Working from
home certainly helps with the multi-task-ability and mowing the lawn for
lunch, etc.
>
> But keep up the good work. Sounds like you are doing ok.
So far, but I'm working on my plan for early retirement to subsistence
farming... It's the way of the future, look at Zimbabwe...
rangerssuck
> "Gunner Asch" <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fbqfq5pqd6sde92hg...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:38:44 -0600, "Pete C." <aux3.DO...@snet.net>
> > wrote:
>
> >>Steve B wrote:
>
> >>> "Occasionally the tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of
> >>> Patriots
> >>> and Tyrants."
>
> >>> Thomas Jefferson
>
> >>Dude, take your meds and get back to metalworking...
>
> > The clock is indeed ticking. Despite what Leftists wish to believe.
>
> > I hope you are prepared for it.
>
> > And one assumes that you accept quotes from Mao, Trotsky, Lenin and Marx
> > far more than you do those of our Founders.
>
> > Pity. Have you written out a will yet? Might be time.
>
> And when they catch your Sons of Timothy McVeigh, shall we warm up Old
> Sparky, or will you settle for lethal injection?
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
I wouldn't waste the electricity on them. Just lock 'em all up
together and let them deal with each other.
Steve B
"Wes" <clu...@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:jGSpn.249427$Hq1.1...@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
> "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net> wrote:
>
>><off topic snipped>
>>
>>Oh yea, I've been doing quite a bit of plasma cutting, welding and
>>grinding lately, what have you done on-topic?
We have a topic? You're kidding!
Pshaw!
Steve
Larry Jaques
<gunne...@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:45:28 -0700, Larry Jaques
><lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:38:44 -0600, the infamous "Pete C."
>><aux3....@snet.net> scrawled the following:
>>
>>>
>>>Steve B wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Occasionally the tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of Patriots
>>>> and Tyrants."
>>>>
>>>> Thomas Jefferson
>>>
>>>Dude, take your meds and get back to metalworking...
>>
>>He's probably out casting lead as we speak. <titter>
>
>No..but Ive located a 12" bull plug
Whassat?
>and a nice old cast iron burner and
>have them partially assembled into a "rouging" pot. I snagged some 300
>lbs or more of wheel weights in the last month or so and need to do a
>meltdown, get rid of the wheel clips, flux and then cast into ingots so
>Ive got lead on hand for the upcoming shooting season.
>
>Thanks! for reminding me. Ill see what I can get done in the next day
>or two. Ill be running it off of house natural gas.
Put in your own splitter, didja?
Gunner Asch
<lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:37:10 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
><gunne...@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>
>>On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:45:28 -0700, Larry Jaques
>><lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:38:44 -0600, the infamous "Pete C."
>>><aux3....@snet.net> scrawled the following:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Steve B wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Occasionally the tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of Patriots
>>>>> and Tyrants."
>>>>>
>>>>> Thomas Jefferson
>>>>
>>>>Dude, take your meds and get back to metalworking...
>>>
>>>He's probably out casting lead as we speak. <titter>
>>
>>No..but Ive located a 12" bull plug
>
>Whassat?
>
http://www.anvilintl.com/ProductSearch/ProductThumbnailView.aspx?plid=113&ptid=665
The thingy with the round end.
>
>>and a nice old cast iron burner and
>>have them partially assembled into a "rouging" pot. I snagged some 300
>>lbs or more of wheel weights in the last month or so and need to do a
>>meltdown, get rid of the wheel clips, flux and then cast into ingots so
>>Ive got lead on hand for the upcoming shooting season.
>>
>>Thanks! for reminding me. Ill see what I can get done in the next day
>>or two. Ill be running it off of house natural gas.
>
>Put in your own splitter, didja?
Of course I did. On the house side of the meter of course.
wmbjk...@citlink.net
<range...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mar 22, 6:49 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> "Gunner Asch" <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> > Pity. Have you written out a will yet? Might be time.
>>
>> And when they catch your Sons of Timothy McVeigh, shall we warm up Old
>> Sparky, or will you settle for lethal injection?
>>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
>
>I wouldn't waste the electricity on them. Just lock 'em all up
>together and let them deal with each other.
I think of them like a snake with a tire track across its back,
wriggling away its last moments. Except that I'd have enough pity on
the snake to put it out of its misery.
Wayne
Stormin Mormon
distance. While I support liberty, and the Constitution, I'm
also not interested in challenging the power of the US
Government.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"Steve B" <desertt...@dishymail.net> wrote in message
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Wes
>>So how deep a cut can I take for each threading pass in brass? Never threaded brass
>>before.
>>
>>Wes
>
>
>Frankly..Id use threading die on something that small, unless I fired up
>my OmniTurn CNC lathe (out back), and then turned the die around and
>used the small end to butt the thread to the end of the brass threaded
>area. But thats just me. Brass threads nicely with dies and its fast.
I whipped out another 6 in the time I had to play this afternoon. Ended up taking a cut
of .015, .030, .036 on the compound handwheel. I used power to come close each time and
then cranked the spindle by hand. I'm not getting fancy, I tapped a piece of CRS 10-32
with the tap I'll use for the bolt body these followers screw in to and used it as a
check nut.
Now lining the threading tool up on the end of my prepared stock and getting my dial
indicator zeroed so I could gage the .100" of threads I'm cutting took almost as much time
as cutting the threads.
Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller
Wes
>Perhaps you should look at the thread and see who you're talking about.
>I'm a centrist extremist and as anti-socialist as they come.
But you don't like dogs.
Wes
John R. Carroll
> Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>So how deep a cut can I take for each threading pass in brass? Never
>>>threaded brass
>>>before.
>>>
>>>Wes
>>
>>
>>Frankly..Id use threading die on something that small, unless I fired up
>>my OmniTurn CNC lathe (out back), and then turned the die around and
>>used the small end to butt the thread to the end of the brass threaded
>>area. But thats just me. Brass threads nicely with dies and its fast.
>
>
> I whipped out another 6 in the time I had to play this afternoon. Ended
> up taking a cut
> of .015, .030, .036 on the compound handwheel. I used power to come close
> each time and
> then cranked the spindle by hand. I'm not getting fancy, I tapped a piece
> of CRS 10-32
> with the tap I'll use for the bolt body these followers screw in to and
> used it as a
> check nut.
>
> Now lining the threading tool up on the end of my prepared stock and
> getting my dial
> indicator zeroed so I could gage the .100" of threads I'm cutting took
> almost as much time
> as cutting the threads.
Why not cut a small thread relief and start your cut from the chuck and move
in the +Z direction?
Just flip your tool over and run the spindle in reverse.
JC
Pete C.
Nope, no dogs. Love cats, but only have one.
Wes
I'm a dog guy but all of my dogs have coexisted with kitties.
Once upon a time, I came home early and was reading a magazine with the tv on when I heard
a strange knock on the storm door. I looked and saw a somewhat emaciated kittie hitting
the door with her paw.
I felt sorry for that poor thing so I opened the door intending to give her a quick meal
and a trip out the door. Well she came in, jumped up on the dryer and started munching on
Samson and Midnights food that we kept up there out of reach of the dog.
I didn't really pick up on that. Sometimes I'm slow, I'll admit that.
Anyway, the wife comes home, sees the cat, now in my lap, and gives me a look, oh you've
met Boots.
Evidently she felt sorry for the stray, didn't want to ask me to keep yet another pet
since we had 3 at the time.
She had been going out each night and opening the window of my Escort so the cat had a
safe place to sleep each night along with feeding it. Each morning she got up before I
did and chased it out before I got up. We were taking the newspaper at the time so she
had a reason to go out. Oh honey, I'll get the paper. That sort of thing.
Since the cat spent all that time in my car, and likely got used to my smell, it bonded to
me and became my cat. RIP Boots. When it got down to keeping her alive by iv drips it
was time to let her go. Sure miss the damn cat, who needs an alarm clock when your cats
stomach is tuned to your weekday work wake up schedule.
Wes
Wes
>Why not cut a small thread relief and start your cut from the chuck and move
>in the +Z direction?
>Just flip your tool over and run the spindle in reverse.
I know what you are saying but I'm using this:
http://www.drillspot.com/products/1068845/aloris_axa-8_threading_quick_change_tool_post_holder?s=1
One of these days I'm going to try your way though. Actually if I had to make a lot of
these things I'd give up on my way, grind a HSS bit and use your way. I only have to make
three more now.
Thanks,
Wes
Gunner Asch
Very well stated and posted.
Gunner, with two cats in his lap, and a dog on eather side of his feet
as he types this.
Steve B
Sounds like a cat I had that could ring the doorbell. When I had company,
I'd say, "Could you get that?", knowing what was up.
"Who was it?", I'd ask.
"Just your cat."
Steve
John R. Carroll
You can always grind up a bit or two now or pick up the appropriate holder
cheap when you see one.
Then you'll be prepared and the pucker factor will be less.
Much less.
Personally, I'm only happy when the tool rotates and the work is clamped.
I've seen too many parts come out of big CNC VTL's when the programmer or
operator didn't clamp the table RPM.
I've also seen hydraulic chucks gradually let go as the spindle got really
turning.
Breaking an end mill happens. Crashing into a part with a tool is something
to avoid but at least when either of those happen, your work doesn't chase
you around the room trying to kill you.
--
John R. Carroll
Hawke
> "Steve B"<desertt...@dishymail.net> wrote in message
> news:9bik77-...@news.infowest.com...
>> "Occasionally the tree of Liberty must be watered with the blood of
>> Patriots and Tyrants."
>>
>> Thomas Jefferson
>
> remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon& pacify them." -- Thomas
> Jefferson (in the same letter from which you quoted)
>
> I'm not so sure about the "pardon" part, and educating them as to the facts
> is a Herculean burden, but pacifying the teabaggers should be as difficult a
> task as confusing the Keystone Cops.
>
This teabagging thing is way overblown. Did anyone notice how few
teabaggers showed up for the rallies right before the vote on health
care? It was a puny turnout. No one really knows how many people there
are that are teabaggers but I'm betting that it is not many. It's like
the gay lobby. They make a lot of noise for only 5% of the population. I
think it's the same for the teabaggers. They make a lot of noise but in
reality it's a pretty small group. They get a lot of attention though
and for good reason. They are financed by a bunch of right wing groups
like the one run by former majority leader Dick Armey. They know how to
get people out and to get them on TV and to townhall meetings but there
aren't really that many of them. What you have is just a case of a small
minority that is trying to sway public opinion in a particular
direction. Unfortunately for them, it's not working. Nothing the
teabaggers want is going to happen and in the end isn't that what all
the political grandstanding is all about? Getting your way. It's not
working for the teabaggers and that means they will not be around for
long. I say good riddance.
Hawke
Don Foreman
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I will be watching with interest, and with a lot of
>distance. While I support liberty, and the Constitution, I'm
>also not interested in challenging the power of the US
>Government.
Challenge of the government is essential to democracy. Fear of
retribution for challenge of government is clear evidence of
submission to and acceptance of tyranny.
That's not to say that challenges should be by fire. That's revolution
or anarchy, doomed to fail against vastly superior force unless done
with considerably more coordination and fieldcraft than is evident
among noisy dissidents clamoring for attention or trolling on usenet.
Wes
>> One of these days I'm going to try your way though. Actually if I had
>> to make a lot of these things I'd give up on my way, grind a HSS bit
>> and use your way. I only have to make three more now.
>>
>
>You can always grind up a bit or two now or pick up the appropriate holder
>cheap when you see one.
>Then you'll be prepared and the pucker factor will be less.
>Much less.
>
Its on the list.
>Personally, I'm only happy when the tool rotates and the work is clamped.
>I've seen too many parts come out of big CNC VTL's when the programmer or
>operator didn't clamp the table RPM.
>I've also seen hydraulic chucks gradually let go as the spindle got really
>turning.
>
>Breaking an end mill happens. Crashing into a part with a tool is something
>to avoid but at least when either of those happen, your work doesn't chase
>you around the room trying to kill you.
>
You have a point there.
We turn a lot of ~30 lb pulleys on CNC lathes at work. I've seen (repaired) the damage
that relatively small piece of metal spinning away inside the machine with the door closed
can do when it pulls out or the operator has a fubar.
I'll pass on seeing a vtl on a bad day. I don't run that fast anymore.
Wes
RogerN
"Don Foreman" <dfor...@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
news:gsbjq515i3759kgn7...@4ax.com...
Learn from the terrorists but improve on their tactics.
Ed Huntress
"Don Foreman" <dfor...@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
news:gsbjq515i3759kgn7...@4ax.com...
It's treason, and is an executable offense.
--
Ed Huntress
dca...@krl.org
> "Don Foreman" <dfore...@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
After Don says that challenges should not be by fire, your statement
seems to be saying that any challenge to the government is treason.
Dan
RBnDFW
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:51:25 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
> <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I will be watching with interest, and with a lot of
>> distance. While I support liberty, and the Constitution, I'm
>> also not interested in challenging the power of the US
>> Government.
>
> Challenge of the government is essential to democracy. Fear of
> retribution for challenge of government is clear evidence of
> submission to and acceptance of tyranny.
Very well put, don.
> That's not to say that challenges should be by fire. That's revolution
> or anarchy, doomed to fail against vastly superior force unless done
> with considerably more coordination and fieldcraft than is evident
> among noisy dissidents clamoring for attention or trolling on usenet.
There was a time about 200 years ago that a rabble assembled into a
formidable force.
RBnDFW
ed, are you channeling King George III now?
Larry Jaques
<gunne...@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>>>No..but Ive located a 12" bull plug
>>
>>Whassat?
>>
>
>http://www.anvilintl.com/ProductSearch/ProductThumbnailView.aspx?plid=113&ptid=665
>
>The thingy with the round end.
Amazing. Nothing like the first ten Google links for "bull plug". Is
google losing its contextual track?
>>Put in your own splitter, didja?
>
>Of course I did. On the house side of the meter of course.
But of course. <g>
Pete C.
Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:16:54 -0700, the infamous Gunner Asch
> <gunne...@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
> >>>No..but Ive located a 12" bull plug
> >>
> >>Whassat?
> >>
> >
> >http://www.anvilintl.com/ProductSearch/ProductThumbnailView.aspx?plid=113&ptid=665
> >
> >The thingy with the round end.
>
> Amazing. Nothing like the first ten Google links for "bull plug". Is
> google losing its contextual track?
Google has always been crap. Try Altavista instead.
Ed Huntress
<dca...@krl.org> wrote in message
news:b459ab08-d026-4f09...@j21g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
You always display a fertile imagination, Dan. Don described a "challenge by
fire" as revolution or anarchy. I pointed out that, under US law, it is
treason. That's all. The rest is something that happened between your ears.
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
"RBnDFW" <burkh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hoda99$3vt$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
That was around the time that George Washington marched 16,000 federalized
militiamen into western PA, put down the Whiskey Rebellion, and indicted a
bunch of them for treason, wasn't it?
Are you wishing for a repeat?
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
I'm channeling the Constitution of the United States of America, the words
of the Founders, and a serious reading of history.
What are you channeling? This?
http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-passionate-defender-of-what-he-imagines-c,2849/
Read the Constitution. Read history. The whole thing, not the cherry-picked
bits that the neo-anarchists and right-wing whackos like to believe.
--
Ed Huntress
RogerN
"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4ba9f7fb$0$31277$607e...@cv.net...
It would be just like the Germans that loved their country and wanted Hitler
overthrown.
RogerN
Pete C.
Say what you want about your beloved founders, constitution, laws, etc.,
but having watched world events in recent years, can you honestly say
that you think the US government could withstand a home-soil insurgency
of even 10,000 (0.001% of the population) coordinated, committed
insurgents? I'm not so sure.
Ed Huntress
"RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote in message
news:m-CdnbafZK4-PDfW...@earthlink.com...
More like Timothy McVeigh, who thought that he was starting a revolution,
that the fact that the majority of people voted against his beliefs should
be ignored, or they should be killed.
Something like you, Roger. Aren't you the one who was talking about putting
the crosshairs on liberals?
If you ever decide to do more than flap your gums about it, you'll have your
choice of lethal injections now.
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
"Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net> wrote in message
news:4baaab63$0$29760$ec3e...@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
Thank you, I will. I think very highly of them -- unlike the phonies here
who make up fantastical tales about endless usurpations and create fantasies
for themselves of becoming terrorists from within.
> but having watched world events in recent years, can you honestly say
> that you think the US government could withstand a home-soil insurgency
> of even 10,000 (0.001% of the population) coordinated, committed
> insurgents? I'm not so sure.
Yes. The Sons of Timothy McVeigh would find out in a hurry that most of us
would do everything we could to help wipe them out. Out-of-shape blowhards,
largely ignorant, stupid, and delusional, and much too impressed with their
own skills and abilities, the "insurgents" would never have a chance to
coordinate before they were found out and suppressed. And their commitment
would collapse in a heartbeat when they saw the trouble they'd unleashed.
That's the reality.
--
Ed Huntress
Pete C.
The reality is that the US has completely lost the national cohesiveness
that allowed it to win WWII, which is why we have essentially lost every
war since then and are loosing the two or three we are currently bogged
down in.
In the time since WWII, a lot has been learned about waging an
asymmetric war, except how to effectively counter one. We've been
fighting an asymmetric war in Iraq and Afghanistan for quite some time
now and not really making much progress.
Iraq / Afghanistan is an asymmetric war on foreign soil where our troops
have no personal loyalties. As we've seen trying to get Iraqi and Afghan
troops mustered to support their own governments, personal loyalties are
a big problem in fighting an asymmetric war on your own home soil.
We have also seen that various foreign countries are quite willing to
support such an insurgency if it seems to further their aims. The US has
of course done the exact same thing in the past, supporting such groups
as the Talliban when it seemed to further our aims in fighting a proxy
war with Russia.
You like to point to a few kooks like McVeigh and convince yourself that
all potential internal threats are of that ilk, but I don't see that as
being the case. If you look at the many cases of attacks in the US by
environmental or animal rights terrorists, you find a very different
picture of perpetrators who blend in, who have supporters who will
assist them and who in a great many cases have not been identified or
prosecuted.
It is important to note that most of the perpetrators of the
environmental and animal terrorism fit closely with the profile of the
terrorists and insurgents you see in Iraq and Afghanistan, young, angry
and disillusioned and with a cause they have convinced themselves
justifies violent attacks.
I think the most likely source of an insurgency is not from geriatric
anti-government ranters on newsgroups, but rather from a relatively
young group with a religious or religion like ideology.
John
wrote:
Errr... and who were they? Certainly Hitler, and his party were
elected with sufficient votes to be the largest party in the coalition
government, he kick started the economy, created jobs through
government spending, re-structured the military, recovered German
territory that had been taken away after WW I, and pulled the country
out of a depression that was far worse then the recent financial
debacle in the U.S. (In fact rather similar to some claims made for
O'Bama).
I think that if you investigate you will discover that, firstly, the
"underground" was, in terms of population insignificant, generally
ineffective, either communist or acting out of self-interest, i.e.,
the Generals, who had no interest in changing any of the underlying
factors but wished to replace Hitler in an attempt to pacify the
Allies so that an armistice could be negotiated, and generally had no
effect on the outcome of the war.
The majority of those who wanted to"save the nation" didn't appear
until after the defeat in 1945. Take a look at the political
background of the police chiefs, mayors, and all other government
officials appointed by the Allies to run the country after the
surrender. Nearly all were members of the Nazi party, or had served
under the Nazi government. Why? Because they supported the
government.
John B.
Ignoramus16885
> Errr... and who were they? Certainly Hitler, and his party were
> elected with sufficient votes to be the largest party in the coalition
> government, he kick started the economy, created jobs through
> government spending, re-structured the military, recovered German
> territory that had been taken away after WW I, and pulled the country
> out of a depression that was far worse then the recent financial
> debacle in the U.S. (In fact rather similar to some claims made for
> O'Bama).
I am not very well read on the German economy prior to WWII.
I believe that there were a few factors that helped Germany achieve full
employment and improve economy. One was renouncing reparations
payments. Another was increased military production. One more was
recovery of the world economy.
> I think that if you investigate you will discover that, firstly, the
> "underground" was, in terms of population insignificant, generally
> ineffective, either communist or acting out of self-interest, i.e.,
> the Generals, who had no interest in changing any of the underlying
> factors but wished to replace Hitler in an attempt to pacify the
> Allies so that an armistice could be negotiated, and generally had no
> effect on the outcome of the war.
>
> The majority of those who wanted to"save the nation" didn't appear
> until after the defeat in 1945. Take a look at the political
> background of the police chiefs, mayors, and all other government
> officials appointed by the Allies to run the country after the
> surrender. Nearly all were members of the Nazi party, or had served
> under the Nazi government. Why? Because they supported the
> government.
That's right. There was next to no opposition to Hitler, which was
partly helped by his effective secret police, but also, Hitler was
supported by the public opinion.
The more convenient after war narrative of Germans was that Hitler was
an usurper (partly true) and led unwilling Germans on to committing
crimes that they did not support (not true in my opinion). I believe
that to be a myth.
For example, 101st police battalion was formed out of very ordinary
people (not some indoctrinated youngsters) and was sent to exterminate
remaining Jews in Poland. Only one person realized that what they were
doing was morally wrong and refused to continue. He suffered
essentially no repercussions, but no one else followed his lead.
i
Spehro Pefhany
A clean copy of _Triumph des Willens_ by Leni Riefenstahl has shown up
on youtube, with English subtitles:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcFuHGHfYwE&feature=related
Quite an amazing piece of filmmaking.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
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Ignoramus16885
I hasten to follow up on this to mention that Wikipedia says that 15
people out of 500 opted out. This is not my recollection of ordinary
men book, but I guess I was wrong. I still have the book somewhere.
i
RogerN
"John" <johnbs...@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:s3glq5tf8h5m195o5...@4ax.com...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer
Don Foreman
Perhaps, after decades of legal maneuvering and dicking around. Faint
threat, minor deterrent.
The more immediate reality is the matter of picking a firefight with
young, strong, eager gov't forces of superior numbers and armament in
combat-ready condition and state of training. Guerilla warfare isn't
about posturing or political protest, it's about killing stealthily
while accepting and even embracing significant mortal risk.
There's nothing patriotic about anarchy. There is also nothing
patriotic about acceptance of greed and corruption in our congress and
offensive arrogance exhibited by our elected president. Not that his
swaggerwide predecessor was any less offensive.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Pretty good synopsis.
Of course you left out those that have nothing left to lose. Aging
veterans, those living in their cars because of foreclosure and so
forth.
Id estimate 10 million people will be killing Leftwingers.
Shrug
Gunner
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.
This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost
Pinstripe Sniper
>You always display a fertile imagination, Dan. Don described a "challenge by
>fire" as revolution or anarchy. I pointed out that, under US law, it is
>treason. That's all. The rest is something that happened between your ears.
<cough> I lean toward big business being the corrupting influence on
big government. So if anything, disrupting government will just make
it easier for big business to push more stuff their way.
The recent Supreme Court ruling that allows corporate entities to
directly fund elections (did I get that right?) is the scariest thing
I've heard of in a while.
It's like the movies Rollerball and Bladerunner are coming true!
PsS
--------------------------------------------------------------------
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More at http://PinstripeSniper.blogspot.com and if that gets banned, check
www.PinstripeSniper.com
John
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.16885.invalid> wrote:
>On 2010-03-25, John <johnbs...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> Errr... and who were they? Certainly Hitler, and his party were
>> elected with sufficient votes to be the largest party in the coalition
>> government, he kick started the economy, created jobs through
>> government spending, re-structured the military, recovered German
>> territory that had been taken away after WW I, and pulled the country
>> out of a depression that was far worse then the recent financial
>> debacle in the U.S. (In fact rather similar to some claims made for
>> O'Bama).
>
>I am not very well read on the German economy prior to WWII.
>
>I believe that there were a few factors that helped Germany achieve full
>employment and improve economy. One was renouncing reparations
>payments. Another was increased military production. One more was
>recovery of the world economy.
Certainly, but did the average German care a whit about anything but
he could get a job and his money was worth something a week after he
got his pay. In fact I'll wager that to the average German an
announcement that the Leader had refused to pay the repatriations
would have made him a hero. Certainly to the power structure - the
military and the industrial sectors he was doing the right thing.
I think that most people forget, or ignore, the fact that no leader
exists in a vacuum. Every one, no matter how despotic is supported by
a group who support his policies and actively work to assist him. And,
while it is pleasant to believe that it was "That Devil" who is solely
responsible a little investigation will show that there were a whole
masses of people who supported him.
John B.
Steve B
"Pinstripe Sniper" <very...@nocando.com> wrote in message
news:4bad2f9b....@news.flex.com...
> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>You always display a fertile imagination, Dan. Don described a "challenge
>>by
>>fire" as revolution or anarchy. I pointed out that, under US law, it is
>>treason. That's all. The rest is something that happened between your
>>ears.
>
> <cough> I lean toward big business being the corrupting influence on
> big government. So if anything, disrupting government will just make
> it easier for big business to push more stuff their way.
>
> The recent Supreme Court ruling that allows corporate entities to
> directly fund elections (did I get that right?) is the scariest thing
> I've heard of in a while.
>
>
Guess you didn't hear about Bill and Hillary's methods of getting
"contributions".
Steve
wmbjk...@citlink.net
wrote:
>Id estimate 10 million people will be killing Leftwingers.
Aren't you the nitwit who estimated that he'd driven 626 miles per
day, every day for 35 years? And aren't you the BS artist who insists
that he lives on "acreage" that's actually just a small lot? Does the
Flat Earth Society realize that you're a free agent?
Wayne
Ignoramus30639
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:29:39 -0500, Ignoramus16885
><ignoram...@NOSPAM.16885.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2010-03-25, John <johnbs...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>> Errr... and who were they? Certainly Hitler, and his party were
>>> elected with sufficient votes to be the largest party in the coalition
>>> government, he kick started the economy, created jobs through
>>> government spending, re-structured the military, recovered German
>>> territory that had been taken away after WW I, and pulled the country
>>> out of a depression that was far worse then the recent financial
>>> debacle in the U.S. (In fact rather similar to some claims made for
>>> O'Bama).
>>
>>I am not very well read on the German economy prior to WWII.
>>
>>I believe that there were a few factors that helped Germany achieve full
>>employment and improve economy. One was renouncing reparations
>>payments. Another was increased military production. One more was
>>recovery of the world economy.
>
> Certainly, but did the average German care a whit about anything but
> he could get a job and his money was worth something a week after he
> got his pay.
Maybe the average German did not care, but I do.
> In fact I'll wager that to the average German an announcement that
> the Leader had refused to pay the repatriations would have made him
> a hero. Certainly to the power structure - the military and the
> industrial sectors he was doing the right thing.
Indeed.
Indeed, this is true. In the case of that 101st battalion, I am sure
that the policemen were not refising to kill Jews because they thought
it was the right thing to do and a great idea.
After the war, all kinds of rationalizations were invented to hide
this, as it is too unpleasant to contemplate.
i
Larry Jaques
<aux3....@snet.net> scrawled the following:
I've always had good luck with Google due to its breadth. OK,
Altavista was much more contextually correct with a search for "bull
plug". Thanks. I'll leave Firefox tuned to AltaVista for awhile.
(I added it the last time we had this conversation. ;)
Steve B
> Guess you didn't hear about Bill and Hillary's methods of getting
> "contributions".
>
> Steve
This is why you consistently appear as a dumb shit. What proof do you have
or just more made up lies that you expect someone to believe. I know you
to be too stupid to find a link for your lie.
Tell TMT that the "interweb" extends beyond the boundries of of the USA.
The news server aioe isn't in or limited to the USA either.
Get some friends.
By the way, are you still beating your wife?
steve
Hawke
> Local residents asked the Southern Pacific Railroad if the station could
> be named Moro when the rails arrived about 1900.
> Instead, the railroad directed the station be called Moron.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taft,_California
Perfect name. You have to be a Moron to live in Taft/Moron. Gunner
proves that point as well as anything possibly could. But if you were
going by him it's a toss up as to whether the town should be named Liar
instead.
Hawke
Steve B
"Steve B" <desert...@fishymail.net> wrote in message
news:hog3m0$h9m$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
What are you doing this weekend, dumb fuck? Why don't you come by and let's
talk? I'll be in Vegas Friday. Let's get together real soon.
Steve
Ed Huntress
"Don Foreman" <dfor...@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message
The "more immediate reality" that you describe is objectively accurate, but
has no operative significance. Because the juvenile blowhards who are
fantasizing about it don't have the balls to even attempt it. All talk, no
go, they've run out of testicles by the time they hit the "send" key. Their
fantasy isn't even worth a reasoned and objective response.
>
> There's nothing patriotic about anarchy. There is also nothing
> patriotic about acceptance of greed and corruption in our congress and
> offensive arrogance exhibited by our elected president. Not that his
> swaggerwide predecessor was any less offensive.
First off, I doubt if most people agree with you about Obama's "arrogance."
Most of us (I'm in the plurality here, who favor his performance) think he
took too long to tell the Republican obstructionists to go piss up a rope --
the Dems are in the majority, and they were elected to lead, not to suck up
to Republicans who are trying to exploit a political wedge (and let the
country be damned) or to knee-jerk to every poll.
And if you don't like the leaders we have, then you know what to do about
it. Fantasizing about shooting them, like Larry, Gunner, and the rest of the
knuckleheads are doing, is the most offensive thing going on here.
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
The animals rightists have been rattling their swords for 40 years. So far,
the republic remains safe from them.
The other groups are something like them -- mumblers and grumblers, with a
few freaks among them who do something violent, but mostly without a lot of
brains, and 'way short on balls.
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:293mq5tevm9ia9jiv...@4ax.com...
Like you, Gunner, they're all talk, and with no guts to do anything about
it. That's why you intend to sit on your porch and play the banjo.
--
Ed Huntress
wmbjk...@citlink.net
<hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
Your point would be more meaningful if not for the fact that you get
offended, or at least pretend to be offended, by things like missing
uppercase.
>> Not that his
>> swaggerwide predecessor was any less offensive.
>
>First off, I doubt if most people agree with you about Obama's "arrogance."
>Most of us (I'm in the plurality here, who favor his performance) think he
>took too long to tell the Republican obstructionists to go piss up a rope --
>the Dems are in the majority, and they were elected to lead, not to suck up
>to Republicans who are trying to exploit a political wedge (and let the
>country be damned) or to knee-jerk to every poll.
>
>And if you don't like the leaders we have, then you know what to do about
>it. Fantasizing about shooting them, like Larry, Gunner, and the rest of the
>knuckleheads are doing, is the most offensive thing going on here.
Is it just me, or did you get pretty much the same feeling reading
Don's post as you did listening to Boehner's recent comments? And BTW,
what the heck color is Boehner going for with that ridiculous spray-on
tan? It reminds me of a Halloween pumpkin that's been left out until
it's time to make room for the reindeer. Laughed my ass off a few
minutes ago reading about Frum getting the boot from the AEI.
Apparently the real victims of the "great cull" will be any repugs who
dare to be even slightly honest. On their next sortie the great
cullers are probably going to TP his house.
Wayne
John R. Carroll
Tang
--
John R. Carroll
Buerste
"Wes" <clu...@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:hobhtr$q9h$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Wes wrote:
>>>
>>> "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Perhaps you should look at the thread and see who you're talking about.
>>> >I'm a centrist extremist and as anti-socialist as they come.
>>>
>>> But you don't like dogs.
>>>
>>> Wes
>>
>>Nope, no dogs. Love cats, but only have one.
>
> I'm a dog guy but all of my dogs have coexisted with kitties.
>
> Once upon a time, I came home early and was reading a magazine with the tv
> on when I heard
> a strange knock on the storm door. I looked and saw a somewhat emaciated
> kittie hitting
> the door with her paw.
>
> I felt sorry for that poor thing so I opened the door intending to give
> her a quick meal
> and a trip out the door. Well she came in, jumped up on the dryer and
> started munching on
> Samson and Midnights food that we kept up there out of reach of the dog.
>
> I didn't really pick up on that. Sometimes I'm slow, I'll admit that.
>
> Anyway, the wife comes home, sees the cat, now in my lap, and gives me a
> look, oh you've
> met Boots.
>
> Evidently she felt sorry for the stray, didn't want to ask me to keep yet
> another pet
> since we had 3 at the time.
>
> She had been going out each night and opening the window of my Escort so
> the cat had a
> safe place to sleep each night along with feeding it. Each morning she
> got up before I
> did and chased it out before I got up. We were taking the newspaper at
> the time so she
> had a reason to go out. Oh honey, I'll get the paper. That sort of
> thing.
>
> Since the cat spent all that time in my car, and likely got used to my
> smell, it bonded to
> me and became my cat. RIP Boots. When it got down to keeping her alive
> by iv drips it
> was time to let her go. Sure miss the damn cat, who needs an alarm clock
> when your cats
> stomach is tuned to your weekday work wake up schedule.
>
> Wes
No such thing as a free cat! (I should have been a Vet.!) However, "A" and
"B" more than work off their kibble and leave trophies, minus the brains, at
the engineering office door almost every night.
Steve B
Bring your wife. If you don't I will.
Steve
Buerste
"Larry Jaques" <lja...@diversify.invalid> wrote in message
news:b6ihq5laq5fscoe1c...@4ax.com...
<snip>
>>No..but Ive located a 12" bull plug
>
> Whassat?
>
B-U-L-L P-L-U-G not butt plug!
Michael A. Terrell
Buerste wrote:
>
> No such thing as a free cat! (I should have been a Vet.!) However, "A" and
> "B" more than work off their kibble and leave trophies, minus the brains, at
> the engineering office door almost every night.
Don't you get tired of disposing of brainless liberals every morning?
--
Lead free solder is Belgium's version of 'Hold my beer and watch this!'
Pete C.
I see you missed or chose to ignore the substance of what I wrote.
Head-in-sand has been proven to be an ineffective strategy.
Ed Huntress
I'm sorry Pete, but the ideas relating to what the US might face were so
weird and off-the-wall that I thought it would be better not to tell you
what I think about it.
It sounds like you're anticipating an asymmetric war with home-grown
terrorists and youth death squads that are organizing in church basements as
we speak.
The short take is that I think you guys have lost a few of your marbles.
--
Ed Huntress
Pete C.
Interesting since that is exactly the situation you have in the middle
east, yet you think somehow it couldn't happen here.
>
> The short take is that I think you guys have lost a few of your marbles.
And I think you are blinding yourself to possibilities you don't want to
consider.
Ed Huntress
<wmbjk...@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:3fnnq5dk8a0k4iohc...@4ax.com...
I think it's you. <g> Don is speaking about the practicalities of geriatric
guerilla warfare. I think he's focusing on something that doesn't matter,
because they don't have the balls for it in the first place.
> And BTW,
> what the heck color is Boehner going for with that ridiculous spray-on
> tan? It reminds me of a Halloween pumpkin that's been left out until
> it's time to make room for the reindeer.
On my TV, it looks a lot like one of the two-tone colors of my parents' '55
Pontiac Star Chief. It was called "Firegold." It has a little metalflake in
it.
I can't imagine where he got it, unless he has a paint service that can
replicate DUCO 1962-Z.
> Laughed my ass off a few
> minutes ago reading about Frum getting the boot from the AEI.
> Apparently the real victims of the "great cull" will be any repugs who
> dare to be even slightly honest. On their next sortie the great
> cullers are probably going to TP his house.
>
> Wayne
They're having problems. The ones with brains and some honesty are jumping
ship or being kicked overboard.
Kicking Frum off of the AEI was a big mistake, IMO.
--
Ed Huntress
Larry Jaques
<bue...@buerste.com> scrawled the following:
OK, got it.
>not butt plug!
Whassat? (NO PICTURES!)
--
Challenges are gifts that force us to search for a new center of gravity.
Don't fight them. Just find a different way to stand.
-- Oprah Winfrey
Ed Huntress
It's bizarre that you think your fellow Americans are as vulnerable to
superstitious nonsense and value life as little as the members of Al Queda,
and would form death squads to cleanse the country for the True Believers.
If you believe that, you must not think very much of your countrymen. You
certainly wouldn't trust them to own guns. Are you sure you're in the right
country here, Pete?
>
>>
>> The short take is that I think you guys have lost a few of your marbles.
>
> And I think you are blinding yourself to possibilities you don't want to
> consider.
I'm working on more likely scenarios, like an invasion from Alpha Centauri.
--
Ed Huntress
Pete C.
From my centrist position, I see generations of kids being told that the
religion that is being imposed on them is under attack and they need to
fight it. I see successive generations becoming more extremist in their
views.
I think that another decade or two down the line as the islamist threat
inches closer due to the governments inability to deal with the
situation, these generations who have been brainwashed day after day
could become so terrified of the threat that they decide they need a new
crusade to oust the ineffective government and deal with the islamst
threat.
The fact that out current military personnel is largely from these same
generations and communities of true believers compounds the situation
and brings the same prospects of personal loyalties overriding national
loyalties as seen in Iraq and Afghanistan with their own troops.
>
> >
> >>
> >> The short take is that I think you guys have lost a few of your marbles.
> >
> > And I think you are blinding yourself to possibilities you don't want to
> > consider.
>
> I'm working on more likely scenarios, like an invasion from Alpha Centauri.
No, you're avoiding thinking honestly about uncomfortable possibilities.
I'd be quite happy if I'm wrong or at least if we don't see something
like this in my lifetime, but I think the probability is non-zero.
Stormin Mormon
I'm in the USA, which is (or used to be) a constitutional
republic.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
"Don Foreman" <dfor...@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in
message news:gsbjq515i3759kgn7...@4ax.com...
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:51:25 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I will be watching with interest, and with a lot of
>distance. While I support liberty, and the Constitution,
>I'm
>also not interested in challenging the power of the US
>Government.
Challenge of the government is essential to democracy. Fear
of
retribution for challenge of government is clear evidence of
submission to and acceptance of tyranny.
That's not to say that challenges should be by fire. That's
Hawke
>>> It sounds like you're anticipating an asymmetric war with home-grown
>>> terrorists and youth death squads that are organizing in church basements
>>> as
>>> we speak.
>>
>> Interesting since that is exactly the situation you have in the middle
>> east, yet you think somehow it couldn't happen here.
>
> It's bizarre that you think your fellow Americans are as vulnerable to
> superstitious nonsense and value life as little as the members of Al Queda,
> and would form death squads to cleanse the country for the True Believers.
>
> If you believe that, you must not think very much of your countrymen. You
> certainly wouldn't trust them to own guns. Are you sure you're in the right
> country here, Pete?
>
>>
>>>
>>> The short take is that I think you guys have lost a few of your marbles.
>>
>> And I think you are blinding yourself to possibilities you don't want to
>> consider.
>
> I'm working on more likely scenarios, like an invasion from Alpha Centauri.
>
I'll tell you what it is, Ed. See, Pete's a conservative, and from 2001
until last year he's gotten used to having a government that did pretty
much what he wanted it to. He got used to seeing conservatives win every
battle in Washington and so did all the other conservatives. But now
they have been losing every battle and the government is doing the
opposite of what he wants it to do. He's gone from being in the majority
to being a minority and it doesn't feel right. It seems like his country
isn't his anymore and that somehow he's being mistreated. All the
conservatives like him feel like their wants should be catered to and
instead they are a minority that is getting nothing the way they want
it. This has upset them very much. So much they are talking about
secession, rebellion, lynching, killing, and other such things.
Unfortunately, they seem to be headed for minority status for a long
time to come. They will get used to it, their anger will subside, and in
time they will shut up. But it's going to take a while for them to
adjust to the new normal. It's like losing your wealth. At first it's a
terrible shock but in time you learn to adjust. You don't like it but
you adjust. Pete is just learning that his party doesn't get to run the
country anymore and his opponents do. He's not happy like all
conservatives so they are being pricks about it. But isn't that what you
would expect from them?
Hawke
Don Foreman
>>
>>>
>>> There's nothing patriotic about anarchy. There is also nothing
>>> patriotic about acceptance of greed and corruption in our congress and
>>> offensive arrogance exhibited by our elected president.
>
>Your point would be more meaningful if not for the fact that you get
>offended, or at least pretend to be offended, by things like missing
>uppercase.
You may have me confused with someone else. I don't recall declaring
offense by missing upper case. I've no problem with the writings of
poet e.e. cummings who sometimes eschewed use of uppercase letters.
In any case, upper or lower, do you disagree with my assertions? Do
you support anarchy, greed and corruption in our congress and
presidential arrogance?
Don Foreman
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Which country do you live in?
>
>I'm in the USA, which is (or used to be) a constitutional
>republic.
Our constitution protects free speech which includes challenge to
government. That's the law of the land whether you like it or not.
John
<ignoram...@NOSPAM.30639.invalid> wrote:
>On 2010-03-25, John <johnbs...@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:29:39 -0500, Ignoramus16885
>><ignoram...@NOSPAM.16885.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2010-03-25, John <johnbs...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> Errr... and who were they? Certainly Hitler, and his party were
>>>> elected with sufficient votes to be the largest party in the coalition
>>>> government, he kick started the economy, created jobs through
>>>> government spending, re-structured the military, recovered German
>>>> territory that had been taken away after WW I, and pulled the country
>>>> out of a depression that was far worse then the recent financial
>>>> debacle in the U.S. (In fact rather similar to some claims made for
>>>> O'Bama).
>>>
>>>I am not very well read on the German economy prior to WWII.
>>>
>>>I believe that there were a few factors that helped Germany achieve full
>>>employment and improve economy. One was renouncing reparations
>>>payments. Another was increased military production. One more was
>>>recovery of the world economy.
>>
>> Certainly, but did the average German care a whit about anything but
>> he could get a job and his money was worth something a week after he
>> got his pay.
>
>Maybe the average German did not care, but I do.
>
>i
But, does Obama care that you care?
John B.
Pete C.
Sorry dippy-do, I'm a centrist extremist and I don't have a "party".
If you actually comprehended anything I wrote you would have seen that I
think the liberals are ineffective in dealing with the islamist threat,
and the religious conservatives (of any religion) are the main threat to
civilization.
Steve B
I'll meet you at the corner of Pecos and Tropicana at 1 PM. I have a big
red Dodge Ram 2500 pickup. See you then.
Steve
Ed Huntress
Pete, I don't see any trend that would indicate that. Nor do I think it's
possible.
Are you old enough to remember Eisenhower calling out federal troops to
defend school integration? State militia being called up after the Civil
Rights Act was passed? I remember it. That was a lot more serious. It was
suppressed with no serious conflicts. That's what *could* happen again, but
it appears highly unlikely.
Right now we have a lot of angry people who aren't really sure why they're
angry, except that they're being fed slogans and bullshit that hardly any of
them have taken the time to understand. So, they've gotten a little frisky
and they're blowing off steam. It's not really a big deal. They don't have
the courage of their convictions because they don't really have any
convictions. Unlike the protesters against civil rights, they don't have a
unifying, coherent thing that's clear and visible. They have concepts.
Concepts are not facts on the ground that they can see, like black kids
walking into an all-white school, with schoolbooks under their arms.
This is going nowhere. It's all talk and symbols.
> I think that another decade or two down the line as the islamist threat
> inches closer due to the governments inability to deal with the
> situation, these generations who have been brainwashed day after day
> could become so terrified of the threat that they decide they need a new
> crusade to oust the ineffective government and deal with the islamst
> threat.
They have neither the ability nor the balls to pull off anything more than a
skirmish here and there.
>
> The fact that out current military personnel is largely from these same
> generations and communities of true believers compounds the situation
> and brings the same prospects of personal loyalties overriding national
> loyalties as seen in Iraq and Afghanistan with their own troops.
There are always people who fear the military. I'm not one of them. There
always has been the potential for the US military to go rogue. After 200
years, it's time to calm down about it.
>
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> The short take is that I think you guys have lost a few of your
>> >> marbles.
>> >
>> > And I think you are blinding yourself to possibilities you don't want
>> > to
>> > consider.
>>
>> I'm working on more likely scenarios, like an invasion from Alpha
>> Centauri.
>
> No, you're avoiding thinking honestly about uncomfortable possibilities.
We can worry about imaginary scenarios from every angle, Pete. It's just
paranoia. There's *always* some scenario that people can imagine that will
end the world as we know it. It's not healthy to get hung up on things that
might happen. If you're going to engage in that kind of thinking, at least
write some sci-fi or terrorist stories and make a few bucks off of it. d8-)
>
> I'd be quite happy if I'm wrong or at least if we don't see something
> like this in my lifetime, but I think the probability is non-zero.
I think you'll wind up happy.
--
Ed Huntress
wmbjk...@citlink.net
<hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
Sure, but framing it that way, and throwing in the mealy-mouthed
comments about "arrogance" and "offensive", and implying that GW and
BO are somehow in the same league for swagger, smacks of insincerity
to me. Exactly as it did with Boehner holding up his empty fire hose
after spending months fanning the flames of nutbaggery.
> I think he's focusing on something that doesn't matter,
>because they don't have the balls for it in the first place.
I thought that his use of military terms to describe the potential
confrontation was hilarious. Don is all about "fieldcraft" <guffaw>,
while too many of the revolutionary forces would prefer wagging their
fingers in the face of people in wheelchairs. Oops, according to this
morning's news, the revolution just lost another volunteer.
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/03/24/dollar-bill-throw.html?sid=101
How long before gummer explains that by getting in the parkinsons
guy's face, they ultimately shortened his life, which counts as a cull
on the "battlefield"?
>> And BTW,
>> what the heck color is Boehner going for with that ridiculous spray-on
>> tan? It reminds me of a Halloween pumpkin that's been left out until
>> it's time to make room for the reindeer.
>
>On my TV, it looks a lot like one of the two-tone colors of my parents' '55
>Pontiac Star Chief. It was called "Firegold." It has a little metalflake in
>it.
>
>I can't imagine where he got it, unless he has a paint service that can
>replicate DUCO 1962-Z.
>
>> Laughed my ass off a few
>> minutes ago reading about Frum getting the boot from the AEI.
>> Apparently the real victims of the "great cull" will be any repugs who
>> dare to be even slightly honest. On their next sortie the great
>> cullers are probably going to TP his house.
>>
>> Wayne
>
>They're having problems. The ones with brains and some honesty are jumping
>ship or being kicked overboard.
>
>Kicking Frum off of the AEI was a big mistake, IMO.
It's every screwed-up kid's dream... to get rid of all the adults.
From the right's point of view it probably makes perfect sense. Gotta'
free up some chairs for Palin's entourage. :-)
Wayne
wmbjk...@citlink.net
<dfor...@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:13:25 -0700, wmbjk...@citlink.net wrote:
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> There's nothing patriotic about anarchy. There is also nothing
>>>> patriotic about acceptance of greed and corruption in our congress and
>>>> offensive arrogance exhibited by our elected president.
>>
>>Your point would be more meaningful if not for the fact that you get
>>offended, or at least pretend to be offended, by things like missing
>>uppercase.
>
>You may have me confused with someone else
Nope. I remember two times, one the "g" in god, and one with
somebody's surname I think. Both were part of your trying to avoid
responding to straight talk. I also remember comparing you to someone
I knew who took offense at the wearing of ball caps in restaurants. I
thought that everybody had heard the fable about the boy who cried
wolf, but apparently not.
> I don't recall declaring
>offense by missing upper case. I've no problem with the writings of
>poet e.e. cummings who sometimes eschewed use of uppercase letters.
>
>In any case, upper or lower, do you disagree with my assertions?
Only the mealy-mouthed parts.
> Do
>you support anarchy, greed and corruption in our congress
Of course I don't, and you well know it. Perhaps you thought that
asking that question might get me to take you more seriously? LOL
Meanwhile, apparently you've also forgotten that you and gummer have
discussed trusting each other in foxholes, as well as the need to
watch out for 12 year-old girls who might sneak up and flatten your
tires during a sortie. My point then was that anarchist loudmouth old
farts are a joke, but the two of you seemed to be taking it pretty
seriously.
> and
>presidential arrogance?
There you go again. You not only proclaimed Obama arrogant, but
implied that he rates right up there with Bush in that department. Yet
you don't say what you based that on, because trying to flesh out that
opinion would be like explaining why lakes and toilets are equally
good for fishing.
Wayne
Steve B
>
> I'll meet you at the corner of Pecos and Tropicana at 1 PM. I have a big
> red Dodge Ram 2500 pickup. See you then.
>
> Steve
Panhandling?
Pete C.
Apparently you haven't been paying attention. I have (know thy enemy)
and the trend is there.
>
> Are you old enough to remember Eisenhower calling out federal troops to
> defend school integration? State militia being called up after the Civil
> Rights Act was passed? I remember it. That was a lot more serious. It was
> suppressed with no serious conflicts. That's what *could* happen again, but
> it appears highly unlikely.
Nope, I'm not that old.
>
> Right now we have a lot of angry people who aren't really sure why they're
> angry, except that they're being fed slogans and bullshit that hardly any of
> them have taken the time to understand. So, they've gotten a little frisky
> and they're blowing off steam. It's not really a big deal. They don't have
> the courage of their convictions because they don't really have any
> convictions. Unlike the protesters against civil rights, they don't have a
> unifying, coherent thing that's clear and visible. They have concepts.
> Concepts are not facts on the ground that they can see, like black kids
> walking into an all-white school, with schoolbooks under their arms.
I'm not sure what "angry people" you're referring to, certainly they
have nothing whatsoever to do with the potential threat I indicated.
>
> This is going nowhere. It's all talk and symbols.
>
> > I think that another decade or two down the line as the islamist threat
> > inches closer due to the governments inability to deal with the
> > situation, these generations who have been brainwashed day after day
> > could become so terrified of the threat that they decide they need a new
> > crusade to oust the ineffective government and deal with the islamst
> > threat.
>
> They have neither the ability nor the balls to pull off anything more than a
> skirmish here and there.
Again, I guess you haven't been paying attention. I have and I see the
underpinnings coming together.
>
> >
> > The fact that out current military personnel is largely from these same
> > generations and communities of true believers compounds the situation
> > and brings the same prospects of personal loyalties overriding national
> > loyalties as seen in Iraq and Afghanistan with their own troops.
>
> There are always people who fear the military. I'm not one of them. There
> always has been the potential for the US military to go rogue. After 200
> years, it's time to calm down about it.
I didn't say anything about the military going "rogue", I indicated that
personal loyalties could get in the way and cause inaction.
>
> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> The short take is that I think you guys have lost a few of your
> >> >> marbles.
> >> >
> >> > And I think you are blinding yourself to possibilities you don't want
> >> > to
> >> > consider.
> >>
> >> I'm working on more likely scenarios, like an invasion from Alpha
> >> Centauri.
> >
> > No, you're avoiding thinking honestly about uncomfortable possibilities.
>
> We can worry about imaginary scenarios from every angle, Pete. It's just
> paranoia. There's *always* some scenario that people can imagine that will
> end the world as we know it. It's not healthy to get hung up on things that
> might happen. If you're going to engage in that kind of thinking, at least
> write some sci-fi or terrorist stories and make a few bucks off of it. d8-)
There is nothing imaginary about it, and it is not paranoia, there is
clear precedent for it.
I see a religion that has previously had a violent expansionist phase,
that is now becoming increasingly terrified of loosing power, and as a
result is becoming more extremist. There is no reasonable reason to
believe that it could not slip back into a violent phase again, to
confront it's competitor which is also in a violent expansionist phase
currently.
It's not healthy to walk around with the proverbial rose colored glasses
and ignore the real issues around you.
>
> >
> > I'd be quite happy if I'm wrong or at least if we don't see something
> > like this in my lifetime, but I think the probability is non-zero.
>
> I think you'll wind up happy.
I hope so, but ~40 years is a long time and a lot can happen in that
amount of time.
John R. Carroll
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>
>> "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net> wrote in message
>> news:4bac0d71$0$29784$ec3e...@unlimited.usenetmonster.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> that the religion that is being imposed on them is under attack and
>>> they need to fight it. I see successive generations becoming more
>>> extremist in their views.
>>
>> Pete, I don't see any trend that would indicate that. Nor do I think
>> it's possible.
>
> Apparently you haven't been paying attention. I have (know thy enemy)
> and the trend is there.
>
>>
>> Are you old enough to remember Eisenhower calling out federal troops
>> to defend school integration? State militia being called up after
>> the Civil Rights Act was passed? I remember it. That was a lot more
>> serious. It was suppressed with no serious conflicts. That's what
>> *could* happen again, but it appears highly unlikely.
>
> Nope, I'm not that old.
That's to bad. You missed a genuine and violent episode that would have
guided your thinking today.
Pretty unlikely. You might be surprised at the degree to which the military
is disconnected (deliberately) from civilian life.
We also have a military Command in North America now - NORCOM - and they are
trained accordingly.
You could also look back at history. Douglas Macarthur burned hell out of
the bonus marcher's tent city right on the Mall.
> There is nothing imaginary about it, and it is not paranoia, there is
> clear precedent for it.
>
> I see a religion that has previously had a violent expansionist phase,
> that is now becoming increasingly terrified of loosing power, and as a
> result is becoming more extremist. There is no reasonable reason to
> believe that it could not slip back into a violent phase again, to
> confront it's competitor which is also in a violent expansionist phase
> currently.
I've been wondering what you were thinking and if this is it it's worth
noting that our entire law enforcement community would be ( and to some
extent is now) ordered to begin attending church on a regular basis.
This nations LEO's have already "infiltrated" this nations Mosque's and so
forth for the express purpose of gathering intelligence.
That would be a lot easier in Christian places of worship.
You also ought to research Fusion Centers and the uses to which they are
put.
Ten thousand people getting organized would be obvious very early on. There
would be changes, for instance, in individual energy usage patterns. Fusion
Centers get all of that stuff as well as anecdotal evidence from the public,
private and law enforcement communities. It's all computerized and can be
accessed by any participating agency.
Finally, our government is geared for self preservation. Nobody wants to see
their job threatened.
>
> I hope so, but ~40 years is a long time and a lot can happen in that
> amount of time.
Finally, Americans aren't especially religious. Never have been and never
will be. The trend, in fact, is in the other direction.
There are far greater threats to America's well being than an armed
insurrection of any stripe.
Focusing on the kooks has lead to a real misallocation of resources.
--
John R. Carroll