Interesting
Steve B
Erik
"Steve B" <desert...@dishmail.net> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dv-gl6RCGc
It'd sure be nice and cozy come come January in Minnesota too... and oh
so safe and attractive!
Jeeze, could you imagine the din of a simi-dense residential area loaded
up with these things? No one would ever sleep...
Amazing they even built a prototype, let alone production models.
Erik
Larry Jaques
<desert...@dishmail.net> scrawled the following:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dv-gl6RCGc
Very cool! "Hey, Mr. Jaywalker!" Vrooooooooooooom!
A human Veg-a-Matic!
--
It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare;
it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.
-- Seneca
Ignoramus25468
Very amazing indeed!
i
Gunner Asch
<desert...@dishmail.net> wrote:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dv-gl6RCGc
Fascinating!!!
Change the prop to a steel one and put up a decent windshield with
good...good wipers and one could have all sorts of fun at an ACORN
sponsored street demonstration.
<VVBG>
Gunner
Steve B
"Steve B" <desert...@dishmail.net> wrote in message
news:07krt6-...@news.infowest.com...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dv-gl6RCGc
They had a special on a while back on Jay Leno's vehicles. One was a
motorcycle with a helicopter turbine engine. They were discussing it, and
Jay said the big drawback was there was a 1-2 second throttle lag. You
turned the throttle on, and it was 1-2 seconds before it kicked in. You
shut off the throttle, and there was a 1-2 second delay until deceleration.
He said he rode it, but it was scary. When asked top speed, he quoted the
top RPM of the turbine, but said that no one who had ever ridden it anywhere
would take it anywhere near that high speed.
This car would have the same problems, and would have to be driven on wide
open straight areas with little turning, stopping, or starting.
But it is unusual, and very interesting that some metal worker geek put it
all together with state of the art elements from his era. Quite a car.
Steve
RBnDFW
Jim Wilkins
> ...but said that no one who had ever ridden it anywhere
> would take it anywhere near that high speed.
>
I've heard that about Stanley Steamers, too. They had the suspension
of a horse-drawn wagon.
Bruce L. Bergman
The Stanley Steamer was about 50 years ahead of it's time, then the
auto industry took a left turn to internal combustion and never looked
back.
If they could mass-produce the boilers so they were an easy swap-out
when they had problems, they would be the answer to lots of our energy
problems.
Because you can run a boiler on practically anything that will burn,
as long as you can come up with a burner for a liquid or a stoker to
feed it in. Used vegetable oil, wood pellets, ground corncobs...
And with computers it could start and run itself safely, and only
need a few minutes warmup before you could drive.
We know how to build a suspension system now.
--<< Bruce >>--
Steve B
"Bruce L. Bergman" <bruceNOSP...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4a3og5pblbm6usojp...@4ax.com...
Hmmmmmmmmmm. That would be an interesting metalworking project. You'd get
to be in ALL the parades, get on Good Morning America, get to have lunch
with liberal political photo ops. That would be good. Except for the
liberal political photo ops part.
Steve
Jim Wilkins
wrote:
> ...
> Because you can run a boiler on practically anything that will burn,
> as long as you can come up with a burner for a liquid or a stoker to
> feed it in. Used vegetable oil, wood pellets, ground corncobs...
>
"anything that will burn" makes the necessary emission controls a
nightmare.
Jim Stewart
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dv-gl6RCGc
I've spent enough time 6 feet behind a propeller
that I'd only want to do it if I was 5000 feet
over the earth or going 120 mph.
Here's sort of the inverse. Old farts will
recognize the engine immediately...
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper002.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper004.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper003.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper001.jpg
http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper005.jpg
It belongs to my neighbor at the airport.
RBnDFW
Think Nukuler!
Gunner Asch
RAM�
@4ax.com:
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:58:09 -0800, "Steve B"
> <desert...@dishmail.net> wrote:
>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dv-gl6RCGc
>>
> I can only imagine what a deer or even a moose up here in Maine would
> look like comming out the back side of that thing.......
>
I'd sure hate to be in that contraption along the Texas Gulf Coast...Given
the large cloulds of millions of salt-water mosquitos common to this area.
Before a Manysodan starts making claims about their "State Bird", those
things are totally innocuous whereas these things kill cattle each year.
Jim Wilkins
> Jim Wilkins wrote:
> > On Nov 24, 11:54 am, Bruce L. Bergman <bruceNOSPAMberg...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
...
> > nightmare.
>
> Think Nukuler!
Chernobyl or TMI?
I do have a thermonuclear clothes dryer.
jsw
Ed Huntress
"RAM�" <s31924...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9CCDB06D6B5D2...@74.209.131.10...
Our skeeters in Jersey have twin engines. But sea robins are our state bird.
d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
Doug White
news:Xns9CCDB06D6B5D2...@74.209.131.10:
I make no claim to knowing which state has the biggest, nasiest
mosquitos. I do remember being surprised on a fishing trip in Wyoming
that theirs were large enough that you could kill them in mid-air with an
open hand swat. Too much mass to get blown out of the way, and enough
mass that the impact would kill them.
Doug White
Larry Jaques
<burkh...@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
That's sure as hell what _I_ want for my next vehicle. Yeah, a
super-duper new Mr. Fusion!
Flash
"Doug White" <gwh...@alum.mit.edu> wrote in message
news:Xns9CCDBFB4170B5...@69.16.186.7...
Heck, one foggy night at Randolph AFB, in 1957 a mosquito landed on our ramp
and we put 40 gal of avgas into him before the chief determined he was not
just another B-25.
Flash
Jim Wilkins
> ...
>
> Our skeeters in Jersey have twin engines. But sea robins are our state bird.
> d8-)
>
> --
Those long-legged critters with the inch-plus wingspans are actually
harmless crane flies.
http://www.highroad.org/ranch%20images/Insects/cranefly-hand.jpg
jsw, glad we don't have chiggers in NH.
Ed Huntress
"Jim Wilkins" <kb1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:134cb5b2-84d9-4408...@s15g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 24, 6:35 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
> ...
>
> Our skeeters in Jersey have twin engines. But sea robins are our state
> bird.
> d8-)
>
> --
> Ed Huntress-
>Those long-legged critters with the inch-plus wingspans are actually
>harmless crane flies.
>http://www.highroad.org/ranch%20images/Insects/cranefly-hand.jpg
Shhhh!! We use them to scare New York beach tourists away.
We call the crane flies "Jersey skeeters." We know they don't bite. We just
don't want the people from Long Island and Westchester to know. We even tell
them that if they get bitten, they'll need to get to the hospital for an
emergency transfusion. d8-)
And the real mosquitos here are high-quality birds, capable of raising havoc
at any outdoors event.
But this is the thing we're proudest of. We have, not 61, not 62, but 63
different species of mosquitos in New Jersey! That's more than one species
for every NJ politician arrested for corruption in an average year:
http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~insects/njspp.htm
>jsw, glad we don't have chiggers in NH.
But you have blackflies. I've been bitten by them, up near the Canadian
border. Ugh.
--
Ed Huntress
William Wixon
"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4b0cb358$0$22532$607e...@cv.net...
>
>
> But this is the thing we're proudest of. We have, not 61, not 62, but 63
> different species of mosquitos in New Jersey! That's more than one species
> for every NJ politician arrested for corruption in an average year:
>
> http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~insects/njspp.htm
>
>>jsw, glad we don't have chiggers in NH.
>
> But you have blackflies. I've been bitten by them, up near the Canadian
> border. Ugh.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
>
wow, 63 species. i figured there were maybe 3 species.
thank god and <knock on wood> we don't have blackflies here in s.e. new york
state, or at least like they have in NH. many years ago i went on a fishing
trip with my brothers to NH. never experienced this before. i opened the
car door, stepped out and within 2 or 3 seconds was swarmed with blackflies.
they were in my eyes, up my nose, in my ears and down my throat. was
gagging on swallowed blackflies. in my entire life up to that point i never
had to use one of those hat-net things, they were an absolute necessity
there, was fumbling with it trying to put it on as fast as possible. if the
net got a fold in it and touched your skin they'd find it and be biting you
there, was incredible. they were biting me all over. i was in a mild state
of panic thinking "jeez, if you were stranded in the wilderness with these
bugs they could KILL you!" i mean, either directly or indirectly, like
you'd starve to death or die of dehydration constantly swatting them off of
yourself. maybe we just happened to step into some localized concentration
of 'em, but if it's like that all over in NH i'd want to shoot myself if i
lived there. can't imagine what it would be like to enter a cloud of 'em
like they have in alaska (saw it in a movie).
b.w.
Ed Huntress
"William Wixon" <wwi...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:Mb3Pm.24949$kY2....@newsfe01.iad...
>
> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:4b0cb358$0$22532$607e...@cv.net...
>>
>>
>> But this is the thing we're proudest of. We have, not 61, not 62, but 63
>> different species of mosquitos in New Jersey! That's more than one
>> species for every NJ politician arrested for corruption in an average
>> year:
>>
>> http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~insects/njspp.htm
>>
>>>jsw, glad we don't have chiggers in NH.
>>
>> But you have blackflies. I've been bitten by them, up near the Canadian
>> border. Ugh.
>>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
>>
>
> wow, 63 species. i figured there were maybe 3 species.
Impressive, huh? We don't fool around here. I think that Rutgers
Agricultural Extension Service cross-breeds them for toughness and
resistance to toxic waste. d8-)
> thank god and <knock on wood> we don't have blackflies here in s.e. new
> york state, or at least like they have in NH. many years ago i went on a
> fishing trip with my brothers to NH. never experienced this before. i
> opened the car door, stepped out and within 2 or 3 seconds was swarmed
> with blackflies. they were in my eyes, up my nose, in my ears and down my
> throat. was gagging on swallowed blackflies. in my entire life up to
> that point i never had to use one of those hat-net things, they were an
> absolute necessity there, was fumbling with it trying to put it on as fast
> as possible. if the net got a fold in it and touched your skin they'd
> find it and be biting you there, was incredible. they were biting me all
> over. i was in a mild state of panic thinking "jeez, if you were stranded
> in the wilderness with these bugs they could KILL you!" i mean, either
> directly or indirectly, like you'd starve to death or die of dehydration
> constantly swatting them off of yourself. maybe we just happened to step
> into some localized concentration of 'em, but if it's like that all over
> in NH i'd want to shoot myself if i lived there. can't imagine what it
> would be like to enter a cloud of 'em like they have in alaska (saw it in
> a movie).
>
> b.w.
Yes, blackflies are God's reminder that we're not really necessary to the
continuance of the planet, and that he might decide to dispense with us at
any time. They are the Harpies from Hell. The soul of Satan resides inside
of each one. They are vile, ugly, and mean...but don't get me started. <g>
My dad went fishing in upper Quebec province once upon a time, without
headgear, and when he got home his head looked like a pumpkin that had been
shot with a few loads of birdshot. And he was born in NH and should have
known better. I'll never forget it, and I was four years old at the time.
--
Ed Huntress
Steve R.
Stanley Steamers were a neat car! I had a ride in one once.
Steve R.
Mark Rand
Oh ye of little faith, He ain't (necessarily) making it up ;-)
British mosquito:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquito
Mark Rand
RTFM
William Wixon
"Mark Rand" <ra...@internettie.co.uk> wrote in message
news:btupg5l30d89supi1...@4ax.com...
yeah, that's the way i read it the first time (wood aircraft) but then
re-read it and started to see the joke. that's awesome, to have seen,
touched, and interacted positively with a real flying de havilland mosquito.
b.w.
Jim Wilkins
> "William Wixon" <wwi...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
>
> headgear, and when he got home his head looked like a pumpkin that had been
> shot with a few loads of birdshot. And he was born in NH and should have
> known better. I'll never forget it, and I was four years old at the time.
>
I wear a broad-brimmed boonie hat (camo, so they can't see it) loaded
with repellant. It masks the IR signature of my head pretty well and I
don't need to spray much on my skin. When they are really hungry I
drape a net over it, the brim makes it hang far enough out to prevent
skin contact.
jsw
Lewis Hartswick
>
> I do have a thermonuclear clothes dryer.
>
> jsw
...lew...
Bruce L. Bergman
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:06:56 -0600, the infamous RBnDFW
><burkh...@gmail.com> scrawled the following:
>
>>Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>> On Nov 24, 11:54 am, Bruce L. Bergman <bruceNOSPAMberg...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>> Because you can run a boiler on practically anything that will burn,
>>>> as long as you can come up with a burner for a liquid or a stoker to
>>>> feed it in. Used vegetable oil, wood pellets, ground corncobs...
>>>>
>>>> --<< Bruce >>--
>>>
>>> "anything that will burn" makes the necessary emission controls a
>>> nightmare.
>>
>>Think Nukuler!
>
>That's sure as hell what _I_ want for my next vehicle. Yeah, a
>super-duper new Mr. Fusion!
Hell, I'll be glad to sell you a Brand New Mr. Fusion! Zero hours!
(Quickly makes new "Mr. Fusion" labels and covers up the factory
markings on the Krups Type 57 coffee mill sitting on the shelf behind
the computer...)
They make catalytic converters for the hamburger grease smoke on
restaurant char-broilers, I don't think that little boiler is a
problem that cant be solved.
--<< Bruce >>--
Bruce L. Bergman
The boiler section is long proven nsafe and efficient, just dust off
the Stanley design, scale it up and down in fixed steps for future
backwards replacement compatibility (16" 20" and 24" sizes at a stated
output...) because they do wear out, and start building.
The burner and stoker (for solid fuels) and the control systems are
the big bugaboo that will take some serious work. Triple expansion
motors and Condensers are easy, but getting the cylinder oil out of
the water before you feed it back to the boiler it is always a
challenge.
Modernizing the controls and sensors so it can run automatically and
unattended isn't bad, they have continued building steam boilers - you
just have to miniaturize control gear built for a 100MW power plant
down to the proper size to work on a car.
But once the "Mainstream Media" finds out a conservative was working
on it to solve part of our energy problems, all that free press
disappears. Bill O'Reilly tops the bestseller lists for months, and
cant get arrested on TV or even reviewed in the MSM newspapers...
Sarah Palin writes a book, and the MSM puts fourteen fact-cherckers
on it looking for any tiny inconsistency...
But Al Gore lies his head off and not only doesn't get the data he
trots out checked, he gets all the free press they can throw at him.
Go figure.
--<< Bruce >>--
Bruce L. Bergman
<gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>One of my favorite online comics....
>
>http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php
And you heard about it from who...?
<cue the Jeopardy! theme, and toss the Estate of Merv Griffin two
cents for the royalties...>
;-P
--<< Bruce >>--
Ed Huntress
To modernize the handling of solid fuel, you'll need a little robot with a
shovel, who sings "16 Tons" while he's stoking the boiler.
--
Ed Huntress
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
> On Nov 24, 4:06�pm, RBnDFW <burkhei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> > On Nov 24, 11:54 am, Bruce L. Bergman <bruceNOSPAMberg...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
> ...
>> > "anything that will burn" makes the necessary emission controls a
>> > nightmare.
>>
>> Think Nukuler!
>
> Chernobyl or TMI?
More people have been killed in Teddy Kennedy's car than have been killed
by civilian nuclear power accidents in the USA.
Hope This Helps!
Rich
pyotr filipivich
Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:00:23 -0800 (PST) did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
But with a steamer, it is external combustion. So the problems
attendant on internal combustion (high pressure and temperature
chemistry) aren't there. Now, it does have the potential for a
problem with particulates )fly ash, soot) but that is "smog" of a
different color.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
Doug White
@newsfe11.iad:
>
> "Jim Wilkins" <kb1...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:154196a3-6f43-4211-bd95-1faa1a9a3810
@z7g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 24, 1:44 am, "Steve B" <deserttra...@dishmail.net> wrote:
>> ...but said that no one who had ever ridden it anywhere
>> would take it anywhere near that high speed.
>>
>> Steve
>
> I've heard that about Stanley Steamers, too. They had the suspension
> of a horse-drawn wagon.
>
>
> Stanley Steamers were a neat car! I had a ride in one once.
I got to drive a friend's several years ago. What a hoot! You needed
three hands to work all the controls to signal, slow down & make a turn.
No "vroom", just "chuf chuf chuf" as you accelerated.
Doug White
Doug White
<snip>
>> The burner and stoker (for solid fuels) and the control systems are
>> the big bugaboo that will take some serious work. Triple expansion
>> motors and Condensers are easy, but getting the cylinder oil out of
>> the water before you feed it back to the boiler it is always a
>> challenge.
>>
>> Modernizing the controls and sensors so it can run automatically and
>> unattended isn't bad, they have continued building steam boilers -
>> you just have to miniaturize control gear built for a 100MW power
>> plant down to the proper size to work on a car.
>
> To modernize the handling of solid fuel, you'll need a little robot
> with a shovel, who sings "16 Tons" while he's stoking the boiler.
Why not base it on pellet stove technology?
A friend of mine uses a pellet stove for heat. He has a big hopper in
the garage labeled "Purina Stove Chow".
Doug White
technomaNge
>
> I do have a thermonuclear clothes dryer.
>
> jsw
I guess I'm due for an upgrade,
mine is only solar.
technomaNge
--
Ed Huntress
> "Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in
> news:4b0d93d3$0$22520$607e...@cv.net:
> <snip>
>>> The burner and stoker (for solid fuels) and the control systems are
>>> the big bugaboo that will take some serious work. Triple expansion
>>> motors and Condensers are easy, but getting the cylinder oil out of
>>> the water before you feed it back to the boiler it is always a
>>> challenge.
>>>
>>> Modernizing the controls and sensors so it can run automatically and
>>> unattended isn't bad, they have continued building steam boilers -
>>> you just have to miniaturize control gear built for a 100MW power
>>> plant down to the proper size to work on a car.
>>
>> To modernize the handling of solid fuel, you'll need a little robot
>> with a shovel, who sings "16 Tons" while he's stoking the boiler.
>
> Why not base it on pellet stove technology?
Eh, it's possible, but you'd need a big hopper -- maybe you'd want to tow a
tender. <g> Its energy density is roughly 1/3 that of gasoline, per unit
weight; energy density per unit volume is slightly better. So a 55-gallon
hopper would be equal to a 20-gallon gas tank, not including the screw or
other feed mechanism.
>
> A friend of mine uses a pellet stove for heat. He has a big hopper in
> the garage labeled "Purina Stove Chow".
Can he put wheels on it? He might get across the state line with that. <g>
Steam engines without recuperators and other complexities aren't very
efficient to begin with. And starting up in the morning would be a bit...er,
slow.
However, they're fun to think about.
--
Ed Huntress
Martin H. Eastburn
the capitol buildings there - might shake them up!
Martin
<snip>
Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:
>Steve B wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dv-gl6RCGc
>
>I've spent enough time 6 feet behind a propeller
>that I'd only want to do it if I was 5000 feet
>over the earth or going 120 mph.
>
>Here's sort of the inverse. Old farts will
>recognize the engine immediately...
>
>http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper002.jpg
>http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper004.jpg
>http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper003.jpg
>http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper001.jpg
>http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper005.jpg
>
>It belongs to my neighbor at the airport.
He can keep it. Model A engine sitting backwards with a magneto
kludged on the nose of the crank... That's a little too far to the
"wing and a prayer" side of Homebuilt. A Lycoming or Continental
where I don't have to worry about an "Oh, Shit..." moment.
And the instrrument panel is past sparse, and bordering on "guess" -
No compass, no electrical at all, no nav lights, no transponder, no
radio...
A Piper Cub, a Grumman Goose, maybe a Huey. But that's as far back
as I'm going to hop in - while conscious. You'll have to A-Team me.
And NO Ospreys, them things are death-traps.
--<< Bruce >>--
Jim Wilkins
wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:24:53 -0800, Jim Stewart <jstew...@jkmicro.com>
> wrote:
>
> >http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper002.jpg
> >http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper004.jpg
> >http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper003.jpg
> >http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper001.jpg
> >http://grumpyoldgeek.com/images/AirCamper005.jpg
>
> >It belongs to my neighbor at the airport.
>
> He can keep it. Model A engine sitting backwards with a magneto
>
> --<< Bruce >>---
Look up that tail number.
jsw
Bruce L. Bergman
Amen! There have been a few recorded deaths (though they were
hushed up for many years) in the 'Military and Experimental" category
of nuclear power generation, but none in the civilian realm.
Chernobyl had no containment building, just a 'warehouse'. Three
Mile Island stayed contained - Barely. But "almost" only counts in
Horseshoes and Chicago Pineapples.
--<< Bruce >>--
pyotr filipivich
or about Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:38:33 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
After years of R&D, you find you are cutting edge!
Marvelous, isn't it.
pyotr
pyotr filipivich
<bruceNOSP...@gmail.com> on or about Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:02:25
-0800 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
following:
>On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:10:55 -0800, "Steve B" wrote:
>>Hmmmmmmmmmm. That would be an interesting metalworking project. You'd get
>>to be in ALL the parades, get on Good Morning America, get to have lunch
>>with liberal political photo ops. That would be good. Except for the
>>liberal political photo ops part.
>
> The boiler section is long proven nsafe and efficient, just dust off
>the Stanley design, scale it up and down in fixed steps for future
>backwards replacement compatibility (16" 20" and 24" sizes at a stated
>output...) because they do wear out, and start building.
>
> The burner and stoker (for solid fuels) and the control systems are
>the big bugaboo that will take some serious work. Triple expansion
>motors and Condensers are easy, but getting the cylinder oil out of
>the water before you feed it back to the boiler it is always a
>challenge.
>
> Modernizing the controls and sensors so it can run automatically and
>unattended isn't bad, they have continued building steam boilers - you
>just have to miniaturize control gear built for a 100MW power plant
>down to the proper size to work on a car.
>
> But once the "Mainstream Media" finds out a conservative was working
>on it to solve part of our energy problems, all that free press
>disappears. Bill O'Reilly tops the bestseller lists for months, and
>cant get arrested on TV or even reviewed in the MSM newspapers...
>
> Sarah Palin writes a book, and the MSM puts fourteen fact-cherckers
>on it looking for any tiny inconsistency...
AP wants you to know, you have your facts wrong. They only
assigned 11 "journalists" to the fact checking. Because as Everybody
Knows, progressives aren't ever wrong, but Conservatives are too evil
to get things right.
cavelamb
I guess you missed the news story *this week* that TMI had another
radiation accident...
cavelamb
Bruce is a wuss.
You should hear a ford powered Pietenpol fly over - at 1600 RPM.
Jim Stewart
The owner promises that I will, next month. I think
I'd take it around the pattern if he'd let me...
Gunner Asch
I actually dont remember who I heard about it from. ...Still suffering
from Stroke Memory in many small ways.
Shrug
You? Thanks!!
Gunner
"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster
Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton
Jim Wilkins
>
> > Chernobyl had no containment building, just a 'warehouse'. Three
> > Mile Island stayed contained - Barely. But "almost" only counts in
> > Horseshoes and Chicago Pineapples.
>
> > --<< Bruce >>--
>
> I guess you missed the news story *this week* that TMI had another
"Neon John" was part of the cleanup crew at TMI:
http://www.neon-john.com/Nuke/TMI/Post_Accident_Work/RegGuide_1.97_home.htm
I've tried to get him to post here but he isn't interested.
jsw
Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:
How does that go.... "There are old pilots, and bold pilots, but no
old bold pilots..." I'm not being a wuss, I just like my skin. I've
grown accustomed to it, you see...
Something that old, and with the large wood content and miscellaneous
hardware and struts and wries holding it together, I'd want it
totally checked out down to darned near X-Raying the lumber.
And the engine has to come apart and gets Magnafluxed every once in a
while, just like any other aircraft engine. Which is kind of
difficult on a cast engine block like that.
Worse, when confronted with a tiny crack on a part that is very
difficult to replace, perhaps they are tempted to think "Well, that
little crack isn't that bad yet - I'll keep using it and watch real
careful for signs of it growing, while I locate another..."
The DeHavilland Mosquito came up here a while back... There were
mentions in the Wikipedia article about a few "unexplained crashes" in
Africa, till they figured out the humid region was delaminating the
glue in the molded plywood composite construction - they changed to a
waterproof urea glue and no more failures.
The Pietenpot Air Camper looks to predate those discoveries, and
it's structurally mostly wood...
It's a perfectly valid concern. And some people choose to stay
blissfully ignorant of the facts so they don't have to think about
them - and that's fine if they are only risking their own necks.
--<< Bruce >>--
Jim Stewart
Heard that and believe it.
Everyone has their own risk levels and devils on their
back. I won't skydive though I pass dozens of them
on the ground and beside the pattern all the time. I
don't like helicopters and would only fly in one if
required. I commuted on a motorcycle for over a year
on a bad-ass stretch of freeway. Never went down, but
won't ever do it again.
OTOH, once around the pattern in the Pietenpol, staying
within gliding distance? Yup. Would I make a habit
of it? No.
An even more interesting question.. Would you go up
in the Space Shuttle? I'm still thinking about that
one, and I think the answer for me is no.
cavelamb
>
> An even more interesting question.. Would you go up
> in the Space Shuttle? I'm still thinking about that
> one, and I think the answer for me is no.
>
>
Me? Absolutely!
I'm 60 years old, the kids are all grown and have their
own kids, and I haven't been on orbit yet.
No hesitation at all.
Richard
Gerald Miller
wrote:
As a gift at my retirement which was re-offered 15 years latter for my
70th birthday, I went with a former employee to a fly-in in his 1948
Luscombe 8F. The main thing I learned was that the door opening got a
lot smaller over 36 years. It was a much appreciated gesture on his
part, and a thoroughly enjoyable day for me.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>Jim Stewart wrote:
Same here..but 4 yrs younger
Michael A. Terrell
I had one of 'Stanley Steamer's' old vans. Some idiot painted it
bright orange, without removing their signs. What a mess! Not only
that, he had bought it in Florida so it had no heater, which wasn't a
good idea in SW Ohio. I bought it right after I was released from active
duty to reopen my business. Only a few customers asked 'why'? but
agreed that no one would suspect it was loaded down with thousands of
dollars worth of parts and tools.
--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!
Michael A. Terrell
Jim Stewart wrote:
>
> An even more interesting question.. Would you go up
> in the Space Shuttle? I'm still thinking about that
> one, and I think the answer for me is no.
I would. I'd like to see the Ku band communications system I built
in use, in space. :)
pyotr filipivich
about Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:16:05 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>
>within gliding distance? Yup. Would I make a habit
>of it? No.
>
>An even more interesting question.. Would you go up
>in the Space Shuttle? I'm still thinking about that
>one, and I think the answer for me is no.
When the Challenger blew up on take off, I said "If they called me
up and said 'Peter, we've got a seat on the next one, do you want to
go?' I'd say "yes!' in a New York Minute!" I figured, if nothing else
I could be the first History Major to get blown up, otherwise, I'd be
the first History Major in Space!
But they never called.
pyotr filipivich
or about Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:57:21 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
><bruceNOSP...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:34:45 -0800, Gunner Asch
>><gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>One of my favorite online comics....
>>>
>>>http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php
>>
>>And you heard about it from who...?
>>
>><cue the Jeopardy! theme, and toss the Estate of Merv Griffin two
>>cents for the royalties...>
>>
>>;-P
>>
>>--<< Bruce >>--
>
>
>I actually dont remember who I heard about it from. ...Still suffering
>from Stroke Memory in many small ways.
>
>Shrug
>
>You? Thanks!!
Me, for one.
Mad Science! Romance! Tea!
Gunner Asch
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> on
>or about Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:57:21 -0800 did write/type or cause to
>appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:05:26 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman
>><bruceNOSP...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:34:45 -0800, Gunner Asch
>>><gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>One of my favorite online comics....
>>>>
>>>>http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php
>>>
>>>And you heard about it from who...?
>>>
>>><cue the Jeopardy! theme, and toss the Estate of Merv Griffin two
>>>cents for the royalties...>
>>>
>>>;-P
>>>
>>>--<< Bruce >>--
>>
>>
>>I actually dont remember who I heard about it from. ...Still suffering
>>from Stroke Memory in many small ways.
>>
>>Shrug
>>
>>You? Thanks!!
>
> Me, for one.
>
>
> Mad Science! Romance! Tea!
And really Cute Evil Machines!!
(thanks for the link!!!)
Gunner
>-
>pyotr filipivich
>We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
>It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
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Larry Jaques
<pir...@microsoft.com> scrawled the following:
>Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
>>
>> I do have a thermonuclear clothes dryer.
>>
>> jsw
>
>
>I guess I'm due for an upgrade,
>mine is only solar.
It's exactly the same technology, but it has a different decal.
--
Q: How many climate scientists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None. There's a consensus that it's going to change, so they've
decided to keep us in the dark.
Michael A. Terrell
Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> NASA: Need another seven astronauts.
ASSHOLE
Rich Grise
> Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
>> I do have a thermonuclear clothes dryer.
>
> mine is only solar.
>
Cheers!
Rich
Jim Wilkins
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:17:51 -0600, technomaNge wrote:
> > Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
> >> I do have a thermonuclear clothes dryer.
>
>
> Cheers!
> Rich
Aerohydrothermonuclear?
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Larry Jaques
<rich...@example.net> scrawled the following:
The deluxe model can utilize wind power as an additional drying agent,
but the original model 1.0 unit can work without it, albeit a bit more
slowly.
pyotr filipivich
Mansion of E. http://mansionofe.comicgenesis.com/
This has a glacial pacing, and a convoluted story, and did I
mention the pacing is a bit slow? But it has a weird story, and
characters, and after a while ... it almost makes sense.
Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:
>OTOH, once around the pattern in the Pietenpol, staying
>within gliding distance? Yup. Would I make a habit
>of it? No.
If the plane has had a recent total physical and wasn't going over
water or a crowded urban area with no place to put it down, yes.
>An even more interesting question.. Would you go up
>in the Space Shuttle? I'm still thinking about that
>one, and I think the answer for me is no.
Yes - But.
I'd feel a whole lot better if they solve the known critical problems
like the foam-shedding problem on the external fuel tanks first.
Adding a layer of fiberglass or kevlar mesh to hold the foam together
isn't that hard.
And it's above 60F at launch so there's no chance of a SRB O-Ring
failure. (Another "I Told You So!" moment.)
And they send you up with a "Bondo Kit" to patch the tiles if one does
get chewed up - or they have another shuttle on standby.
There are still some really hazardous parts of the process that they
haven't even tried to solve or mitgate. Things they will hopefully fix
in the replacement vehicles.
--<< Bruce >>--
Lewis Hartswick
...lew...
Jim Wilkins
Quite a bit. They'll dry under the roof overhang in calm, damp weather
but it can take 3 days. Freezing cold doesn't actually make that much
difference, sheets and dress shirts etc dry in a day, towels and thick
woolens in two or they can come in damp and finish on the Russian
clothes dryer (rope across the room)
jsw
Michael A. Terrell
Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> ASSHOLE: Another Seven Spacemen Hit Outer Limits Eventually.
Did your mother have any kids without brain damage?
Michael A. Terrell
Bruce, we are still at the 'Model t' stage. It will take several
more generations of designs to get safer vehicles, or exemptions from
some 'greenie' crap. The original foam held a lot better, but it was
banned. The current foam is crap, but all that is legal for them to
use.
Rich Grise
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:16:05 -0800, Jim Stewart <jste...@jkmicro.com>
>
>>distance? Yup. Would I make a habit of it? No.
>
> If the plane has had a recent total physical and wasn't going over
> water or a crowded urban area with no place to put it down, yes.
>
>>An even more interesting question.. Would you go up in the Space Shuttle?
>> I'm still thinking about that one, and I think the answer for me is no.
>
> Yes - But.
>
> I'd feel a whole lot better if they solve the known critical problems like
> the foam-shedding problem on the external fuel tanks first. Adding a layer
> of fiberglass or kevlar mesh to hold the foam together isn't that hard.
>
vibration would break the foam, and it'd slough off while the shuttle is
still on the pad, and the foam can't do any harm. Condensation after
launch shouldn't be a problem - the H2 and O2 are burned up within a few
minutes anyway.
Cheers!
Rich
Jim Wilkins
> On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 03:27:20 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
>
> >>OTOH, once around the pattern in the Pietenpol, staying within gliding
> >>distance? Yup. Would I make a habit of it? No.
>
> > If the plane has had a recent total physical and wasn't going over
> > water or a crowded urban area with no place to put it down, yes.
>
> >>An even more interesting question.. Would you go up in the Space Shuttle?
> >> I'm still thinking about that one, and I think the answer for me is no.
>
> > Yes - But.
>
> > I'd feel a whole lot better if they solve the known critical problems like
> > the foam-shedding problem on the external fuel tanks first. Adding a layer
> > of fiberglass or kevlar mesh to hold the foam together isn't that hard.
>
> They should just use breakaway foam. When the SRBs light off, the
> vibration would break the foam, and it'd slough off while the shuttle is
> still on the pad, and the foam can't do any harm. Condensation after
> launch shouldn't be a problem - the H2 and O2 are burned up within a few
> minutes anyway.
>
> Cheers!
The "awesome" Mary Shafer recently enlightened her fans on this very
matter.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.shuttle/browse_thread/thread/b2241c2aa92df721/4506aa73ae4a61b6?lnk=gst&q=gondwana#4506aa73ae4a61b6
Note her use of "we" and "SR-71".
jsw
Michael A. Terrell
> On Nov 24, 1:44 am, "Steve B" <deserttra...@dishmail.net> wrote:
> > ...but said that no one who had ever ridden it anywhere
> > would take it anywhere near that high speed.
> >
> > Steve
>
> I've heard that about Stanley Steamers, too. They had the suspension
> of a horse-drawn wagon.
>
> Stanley Steamers were a neat car! I had a ride in one once.
>
I had one of their mid engine vans... ;-)
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