"Winston_Smith" <not_...@bogus.net> wrote in message
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> It's pretty clear that our leftist idealogues are using Palin as a
> stalking horse to discredit a real conservative movement.
> WS
Are these the same geniuses who think Bush is still President?
>
> http://capitolhillcoffeehouse.com/more.php?id=8215_0_1_0_M
> A Warning To The Tea Party Nation - By Chuck Baldwin
>
> As far as grassroots activism goes, the surge in Tea Parties across
> America is one of the more encouraging developments to recently take
> place. It reminds me of the "Conservative Revolution" of 1994, when
> the GOP reclaimed both the US Senate and House of Representatives. At
> that time, it had been over 40 years since the Republican Party
> controlled both the US House and Senate. And, between the two, the
> House victories were the most significant.
>
> Spurred mostly by the election of Bill Clinton in 1992, a host of
> young, energetic freshman Republicans marched into Washington, D.C.,
> determined to return a burgeoning and out-of-control federal leviathan
> to the constitutional precepts of limited government. I'm talking
> about then-freshman House members such as Helen Chenoweth, Steve
> Largent, Bob Barr, Joe Scarborough, Sonny Bono, John Shadegg, J.C.
> Watts, etc. These young conservatives went to Washington, D.C.,
> determined to reduce the growth and size of the federal government.
>
> The vehicle used to transport these young conservatives from
> grassroots activism to US House and Senate seats was the highly touted
> "Contract with America" (CWA), which was orchestrated by House
> Speaker-to-be, Newt Gingrich. The CWA included a promise to the
> American people that if they would give the GOP a majority in
> Congress, they would eliminate up to 5 federal departments--such as
> the Departments of Energy and Education--and many federal agencies.
>
> Obviously, not only did the GOP-controlled Congress not eliminate a
> single federal department or agency--or even shrink the size of the
> federal government at all--it expanded the size and scope of the
> federal government at every level. And there is one reason for it: Big
> Government neocons posing as champions of conservatism co-opted and
> destroyed the Conservative Revolution of 1994.
>
> If one wants to put names to these treasonous wretches (and I do), I'm
> talking about charlatans such as Newt Gingrich and Trent Lott. Anyone
> who thinks that Newt Gingrich is a real conservative or that he will
> do anything to reduce the size and scope of the federal government
> needs to speak with any of those Republican members of the freshman
> class of 1994. (Sadly, too, some of the members of that great freshman
> class went on to become Big Government toadies themselves. Such is the
> power of that Putrid Province by the Potomac.)
>
> The Tea Parties of 2010 remind me very much of the Conservative
> Revolution of 1994. And if the Tea Party Nation is not very careful,
> they will succumb to the same fate. The signs of a silent takeover of
> the movement are already appearing.
>
> First of all, the Tea Parties were actually born during the
> Presidential campaign of Congressman Ron Paul of Texas in 2007 and
> 2008. For all intents and purposes, the Tea Parties and the Ron Paul
> Revolution were one and the same. These were (mostly) young people,
> who were sick and tired of the same old establishment Republican
> Party. They were tired of establishment Republicans selling out the
> principles of limited government; they were tired of the US
> Constitution being ignored and trampled by both Republicans and
> Democrats; they were tired of an incessant interventionist US foreign
> policy that keeps sending US forces overseas to advance a burgeoning
> New World Order (NWO); they were tired of perpetual war; they were
> tired of the bank bailouts; they were tired of the Federal Reserve;
> etc.
>
> I know this because I met--and spoke before--the Tea Party Nation in
> State after State as I campaigned for Dr. Paul during the Republican
> primaries back in 2008. And I met them again all over America, as I
> was running as an Independent candidate for President--with Ron Paul's
> endorsement, no less. I was with them in scores of meetings (big and
> small) from Washington, D.C., to Spokane, Washington, and all points
> in between.
>
> But now many of the Tea Parties are distancing themselves from Dr.
> Paul and embracing establishment players such as Sarah Palin and Glenn
> Beck. Even Newt Gingrich is being courted. Watch out, Tea Party
> Nation: you're in danger of losing your soul! Newt Gingrich is not one
> of you. He is not your friend. He is an imposter. He will destroy you
> just like he almost single-handedly destroyed the Conservative
> Revolution of 1994.
>
> Plus, be careful about Sarah Palin and other establishment
> Republicans. Palin is currently playing both sides. She is promoting
> Big Government neocons such as John McCain on the one hand, and
> sincere conservative-libertarians such as Rand Paul on the other hand.
> But if one wants a real barometer of Palin's true colors, look no
> further than her endorsement of Rick Perry in Texas.
>
> Perry is the quintessential establishment Republican. Perry has been
> in office for some 9 years, and what has he done to thwart the NWO in
> Texas? Nothing! Perry is even a Bilderberg Group attendee. What has he
> done for State sovereignty in Texas? Nothing! In fact, he supports the
> North American Union and the NAFTA superhighway. What has he done to
> resist Obama's universal health care proposals? Nothing! What has he
> done to protect the citizens of Texas against an emerging Police
> State? Nothing! What has he done to fight illegal immigration?
> Nothing!
>
> As a result of both Rick Perry's establishment business-as-usual
> politics in Texas and the proliferating grassroots Tea Party movement,
> counterattacking establishment politics, a Tea Partier herself has
> entered the race for Texas governor. Her name is Debra Medina. As the
> Tea Party Nation in Texas already knows, Medina is one of you.
>
> Medina is committed to preserving Texas' independence and sovereignty.
> She is opposed to the Patriot Act. She will secure the Texas border.
> She will give Texas Vermont-style open carry freedoms for gun owners.
> She wants to get rid of unconstitutional property taxes in Texas. She
> will stop the NAFTA superhighway. Medina is the real deal.
>
> So, what did Sarah Palin do? She went to Texas and endorsed Rick
> Perry! I'm sorry, ladies and gentlemen, playing political games in
> order to rake in hundreds of thousands of dollars on the speaking and
> book-signing circuits is not what the Tea Parties are all about.
>
> Tea Parties are supposed to be about putting principle over politics,
> supporting and defending the US Constitution, supporting limited
> government and personal liberty, getting rid of the Federal Reserve,
> abolishing the IRS, ending preemptive and pervasive wars, and putting
> truth and integrity back into government.
>
> Don't get me wrong; there are things about Sarah Palin that I like. I
> especially appreciate her pro-life and pro-Second Amendment stands. I
> also appreciate her signing the Alaska State sovereignty resolution
> while she was governor. By all indications, she did a good job as
> Alaska's chief executive. At the national level, however, she favors
> the Patriot Act--and even wants to expand it. She supported the banker
> bailouts. And when it comes to foreign policy issues, Palin is just
> another neocon. Plus, as with most Republicans at the national level,
> I think she is clueless about the NWO. And please remember, it was Mr.
> New World Order himself, Henry Kissinger, who vetted Palin on behalf
> of McCain.
>
> The Tea Party Nation should expect better!
>
> The Nation also needs to be careful about Glenn Beck. He says many of
> the right things. He is likeable and charismatic; but he's also dead
> wrong on a number of issues--issues that are critical to the Tea Party
> Nation. He's dead wrong when he attempts to disparage and impugn
> Congressman Ron Paul, saying Dr. Paul is a "crazy, kooky guy." He's
> dead wrong in supporting the banker bailouts. He's dead wrong when he
> supports raising taxes (which he has done on several occasions). He
> was dead wrong when he supported the Patriot Act. He is dead wrong
> when he viciously attacks the 9/11 victims' families who demand
> further information about what happened to their loved ones on that
> fateful day. And he is dead wrong when he mocks people such as Alan
> Keyes and Joe Farah for demanding that Barack Obama release his birth
> certificate--if he indeed has one.
>
> And now I hear that there are some self-professed members of the Tea
> Party Nation who are actually running for Congressman Paul's US House
> seat in Texas. If this is not a sign that establishment Republicans
> are hijacking the Tea Party movement, I don't know what is. Remember,
> the Tea Party movement began as a support base for the Ron Paul
> Revolution back in 2007.
>
> I strongly encourage the Tea Party faithful to read Jane Hamsher's
> recent column on this subject.
>
> I say again, be careful, Tea Party Nation. You are being infiltrated.
> You are being compromised. You are being neutered. Stick to your
> principles. Stick with the Constitution. Keep opposing
> unconstitutional, preemptive wars. Keep calling for the abolition of
> the Federal Reserve. Keep fighting for less taxes, reduced federal
> spending, and states' rights. Keep opposing the Patriot Act and the
> New World Order. Don't abandon Ron Paul. Be wary of people such as
> Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck. You don't need "big name" celebrities to
> give you credibility. As Samson's strength depended on keeping his
> hair uncut, your strength lies in keeping your principles intact. And
> unless you want to wind up like the Republican freshmen in 1994, avoid
> Newt Gingrich like the plague!
Ummm, NO.
Back in the day, I didn't know much about Ron Paul, but I knew his
supporters on this newsgroup were kooks. So I checked in to Ron by
visiting his web site. His public face seemed OK.
Then my work took me into the footprint of a little AM radio station
in Southern Ohio. One program I heard several times was the Alex
Jones show. Yikes!!! Alex Jones is crazy. And guess who was a
regular caller in to the Alex Jones show? Yep, Ron Paul. And Sen
Voinovich from Ohio. I'm surprised Mike Dewine wasn't calling in,
too.
> He’s dead wrong in supporting the banker bailouts.
Most people on this group seem to think the banker bailouts and
subsequent bonuses are good things.
Name one. Look carefully.
Dan
Palin...a stalking horse?
Laugh..laugh..laugh..
Winston..you are getting paranoid.
If anyone you should be watching carefully it would be the
Republicans...the losers...the ones who want the power back.
History just showed us that they will destroy the Country...and they
will try again.
TMT
If they could afford bonuses, they didn't need a bail out.
>Chuck Baldwin
"As a Republican Party member, Baldwin was state chair of the Florida Moral
Majority"
"attended Midwestern Baptist College in Pontiac, Michigan, for two years"
"founder-pastor of Crossroad Baptist Church in Pensacola, Florida"
"Baldwin believes that "the South was right in the War Between the States",
and that the leaders of the Confederacy were not racists."
"Baldwin believes that "America was deliberately and distinctively founded as
a haven for Christians""
"He also would eliminate the Food and Drug Administration as
unconstitutional."
"Baldwin supports freedom for homeschooling"
"Baldwin had already begun promoting militia movements on his radio show as
early as 1995"
"Baldwin firmly opposes abortion and Roe v. Wade."
"Baldwin has several beliefs typically distinctive of Independent Baptists,
such as the primacy of the local New Testament church, premillennial
dispensationalism, counting homosexuality as a moral perversion, avoidance of
drinking and smoking, and strict diet and exercise"
And guns, guns, guns.
"he regards black pastor Martin Luther King, Jr., as an apostate for King's
allegedly having renounced the deity, virgin birth, and physical resurrection of
Christ, as well as the authority and inspiration of the Bible"
He's very confused.
--
Cliff
>
>
>"Winston_Smith" <not_...@bogus.net> wrote in message
>news:bttjn59lo5ui96nje...@4ax.com...
>> It's pretty clear that our leftist idealogues are using Palin as a
>> stalking horse to discredit a real conservative movement.
>> WS
>
>Are these the same geniuses who think Bush is still President?
He's still on vacation. right?
--
Cliff
Because she's an excellent caricature of the paleoconservatives, who don't
like what's going on but who have no clue about how to make things work any
better.
>>
>>If anyone you should be watching carefully it would be the
>>Republicans...the losers...the ones who want the power back.
>
> You have inadvertently stumbled onto the truth. The people trying to
> take over the Tea Party movement and turn it into a national party are
> exactly the same people who were NeoCons. Before that, they are
> simply people who were kicked out of the Democrat party decades ago
> because they were too socialist for even Democrats to stomach.
>
> Yes, the NeoCon branch of the far left wants to get the power back.
Winston, you are out of your tree. Who are these "far left" neocons? A few
names, please.
> The 0bama socialists have evolved to match the NeoCons. We have two
> leftist groups fighting for control. That's what the articles in my
> dual post point out.
I'll bet those are beauts. <g>
>
>>History just showed us that they will destroy the Country...and they
>>will try again.
>
> See above. Undoubtedly. We have leftists fighting leftists to see
> who gets to be in control of the spoils. That is precisely what
> motivates the local Tea Party activists.
>
> Keep on spinning though. There are some here that are dumb enough to
> buy it.
Winston, if neocons are "far left," what the hell is left for the far right?
What are they, a subspecies of burrowers who live in holes in the ground?
--
Ed Huntress
>
> Winston, if neocons are "far left," what the hell is left for the far right?
> What are they, a subspecies of burrowers who live in holes in the ground?
C.H.U.D?
May be. They do eat their young. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
>Cliff <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 18:44:11 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:
>>
>>>Chuck Baldwin
>
>> He's very confused.
>
>Again, you quote two words, make zero connection to the preceding
>posts, and use it as a launching pad for some leftist rant.
>
>Leftists are very confused. But they seem proud of it.
"Chuck Baldwin"
HTH
--
Cliff