OT - If Gaddafi had lived in Amercia, he would have belonged to the Tea Party.

[Too_Many_Tools]

Finally rid of another crazy Arab winger....thanks Obama...America
owes you a second term for that.

Now if Gaddafi had lived in America, he would have belonged to the Tea
Party.

Considering that he already dresses like them, he would have been a
trend setter for fashion in the Tea Party.

I wonder how long the Tea Party will be wearing black arm bands for
him...

TMT

[Kianna Alarid]

They won't. That's why DooDoo is in mourning, because he was one of yours.
A failed, LYING, retarded socialist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_International_Theory

[de...@dudu.org]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 12:13:37 -0400, Kianna Alarid <TheF...@bass.gov>
wrote:

I just love it when the moronic right wing proves they don't
understand even the simple basics about political science, refuse to
believe people with doctorate degrees but somehow choose to believe
the world's worst pathogical liars.

Two things I can say about the right wing drones, they are consistent,
and resolute in their ignorance.

[Kianna Alarid]

So you're too retarded to hit-n-read the link, eh?

[Gray Guest]

de...@dudu.org wrote in news:gli0a79afaufij00j...@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 12:13:37 -0400, Kianna Alarid <TheF...@bass.gov>
> wrote:
>
>>Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>> Finally rid of another crazy Arab winger....thanks Obama...America
>>> owes you a second term for that.
>>>
>>> Now if Gaddafi had lived in America, he would have belonged to the Tea
>>> Party.
>>>
>>> Considering that he already dresses like them, he would have been a
>>> trend setter for fashion in the Tea Party.
>>>
>>> I wonder how long the Tea Party will be wearing black arm bands for
>>> him...
>>
>>They won't. That's why DooDoo is in mourning, because he was one of
yours.
>> A failed, LYING, retarded socialist.
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_International_Theory
>
> I just love it when the moronic right wing proves they don't
> understand even the simple basics about political science, refuse to
> believe people with doctorate degrees but somehow choose to believe
> the world's worst pathogical liars.

Says the yellow crawling slime who claims that the gunshow loophole exists,
claims his neighbor is selling guns through the loophole then claims he is
afraid to turn him in becuase he may shoot you with a 1000 yard .45-70.

>
> Two things I can say about the right wing drones, they are consistent,
> and resolute in their ignorance.

Really? that actually seems to be the epitah I order for your headstone.



--
Words of wisdom

What does not kill you... probably didn't cause enough tissue damage.

[Scout]

"Gray Guest" <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in message
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> de...@dudu.org wrote in news:gli0a79afaufij00j...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 12:13:37 -0400, Kianna Alarid <TheF...@bass.gov>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>>> Finally rid of another crazy Arab winger....thanks Obama...America
>>>> owes you a second term for that.
>>>>
>>>> Now if Gaddafi had lived in America, he would have belonged to the Tea
>>>> Party.
>>>>
>>>> Considering that he already dresses like them, he would have been a
>>>> trend setter for fashion in the Tea Party.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder how long the Tea Party will be wearing black arm bands for
>>>> him...
>>>
>>>They won't. That's why DooDoo is in mourning, because he was one of
> yours.
>>> A failed, LYING, retarded socialist.
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_International_Theory
>>
>> I just love it when the moronic right wing proves they don't
>> understand even the simple basics about political science, refuse to
>> believe people with doctorate degrees but somehow choose to believe
>> the world's worst pathogical liars.
>
> Says the yellow crawling slime who claims that the gunshow loophole
> exists,
> claims his neighbor is selling guns through the loophole then claims he is
> afraid to turn him in becuase he may shoot you with a 1000 yard .45-70.

Well at the same time stating that he has nothing to fear from anyone
because he would be proof against any attack, with arms, food, water and so
on to last for years if needed.

[Gray Guest]

"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
news:j7qm51$c67$1...@dont-email.me:

I've had goats that smelled better than his story. Horny male goats that
sprayed all over creation.

He is the epitome of lefty "thought". Lies never quite thought out well
enough to withstand the laugh test.

A sitar playing retired Indian Air Force officer living in Wyoming like a
white separatist loon waiting for the world to end. And even though he is
bitterly angry at gun owners and the NRA he actually knows a gun criminal
and won't report him because he's afraid of him. Despite all his big tough
guy squeaking.

My neutered female Jack Russell has bigger balls then him.

[pyotr filipivich]

Gray Guest <No_email...@wahoo.com> on Fri, 21 Oct 2011 02:50:09
+0000 (UTC) typed in misc.survivalism the following:

>
>My neutered female Jack Russell has bigger balls then him.

That's a keeper.
--
pyotr filipivich
"If Eric Holder gets indicted in Operation Fast & Furious,
should he get a civilian trial?" The Iowahawk

[Gray Guest]

pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:hhq1a7t5gt0uc7sh6...@4ax.com:

She only weighs 10 lbs. And she has more heart and courage than anything
I'e seen on two legs at the OWS rallys.

[SaPeIsMa]

"Gray Guest" <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in message

news:Xns9F851A84D24CWe...@88.198.244.100...

> pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in
> news:hhq1a7t5gt0uc7sh6...@4ax.com:
>
>> Gray Guest <No_email...@wahoo.com> on Fri, 21 Oct 2011 02:50:09
>> +0000 (UTC) typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>>
>>>My neutered female Jack Russell has bigger balls then him.
>>
>> That's a keeper.
>> --
>> pyotr filipivich
>> "If Eric Holder gets indicted in Operation Fast & Furious,
>> should he get a civilian trial?" The Iowahawk
>>
>
> She only weighs 10 lbs. And she has more heart and courage than anything
> I'e seen on two legs at the OWS rallys.
>

I always like Jack Russell's
Pound for Pound, they have got to be the most "Can Do" dogs I have ever met
My niece refers to them as Ferrets on Meth.

[pyotr filipivich]

"SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com> on Fri, 21 Oct 2011 08:55:24 -0500

typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>
>"Gray Guest" <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns9F851A84D24CWe...@88.198.244.100...
>> pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in
>> news:hhq1a7t5gt0uc7sh6...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Gray Guest <No_email...@wahoo.com> on Fri, 21 Oct 2011 02:50:09
>>> +0000 (UTC) typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>>>
>>>>My neutered female Jack Russell has bigger balls then him.
>>>
>>> That's a keeper.
>>

>> She only weighs 10 lbs. And she has more heart and courage than anything
>> I'e seen on two legs at the OWS rallys.
>
>I always like Jack Russell's
>Pound for Pound, they have got to be the most "Can Do" dogs I have ever met
> My niece refers to them as Ferrets on Meth.

LOL - I saw a video clip of a Jack Terrier "entertaining" itself.
It would start the tennis ball rolling down a set of step, then race
to the bottom, catch the ball as it bounced of the bottom step, then
race back to the top. Lather, rinse, repeat...

[Michael A. Terrell]

pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
> LOL - I saw a video clip of a Jack Terrier "entertaining" itself.
> It would start the tennis ball rolling down a set of step, then race
> to the bottom, catch the ball as it bounced of the bottom step, then
> race back to the top. Lather, rinse, repeat...

He learned that from watching TMT posting his drivel.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

[Gray Guest]

"SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com> wrote in
news:oMKdnQluOYdw5zzT...@bright.net:

Her big thing is haranguing the squirrels. She races around the back yard
telling them they better not enter her domain. Earlier this week she caught
one. According to my wife who saw it, she was so shocked that she actually
caught it she just kinda stood there with the squirrel in her mouth. Then
she let it go and it scrambled up the tree. She stared at it but didn't
bark for the rest of the day.

Be careful what you wish for, you may not know what to do with it when you
get it. 8)

[Stormin Mormon]

Like dogs chasing parked cars?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Gray Guest" <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in message

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[Gray Guest]

"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in news:j7umce
$adr$1...@dont-email.me:

> Like dogs chasing parked cars?
>

What would they do when they caught it? 8)

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gray Guest wrote:
>
> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in news:j7umce
> $adr$1...@dont-email.me:
>
> > Like dogs chasing parked cars?
> >
>
> What would they do when they caught it? 8)

Bury it.

[Gunner Asch]

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 08:55:24 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@HotMail.com>
wrote:

Thats a good one too!!!


One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

[Gerald Miller]

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:22:33 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
<No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:

>"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in news:j7umce
>$adr$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> Like dogs chasing parked cars?
>>
>
>What would they do when they caught it? 8)

Well, they can't really eat it, would get little out of humping it, so
would probably piss on it.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

[Gray Guest]

Gerald Miller <grmi...@rogers.com> wrote in
news:u3o6a7leistuo4jki...@4ax.com:

8) About right.

[Hawke]

That's why they make such good followers. Once they choose the leader
they want to follow it's almost impossible to get them to quit him. Look
at all the foolish right wing drones that follow Limbaugh. That guy is
amazing really. He's like a cult leader. He's got no training,
expertise, or education, in anything. He's about as average a person as
you can find. Yet he's got millions believing everything he says is true
even to the point where, as you said, they disbelieve people with
doctorates and instead believe the word of a man with no education at
all. If someone told you that you wouldn't believe it.

A scientist with a doctorate in climate science could tell Limbaugh's
listeners that he has all kinds of evidence that man is causing the
planet to get hotter and Limbaugh would say no it isn't and they'd
believe the guy with no education. It's pretty amazing. But it's more
than just not believing people with doctorates. These drones believe
that Limbaugh is right on every issue even when he has no expertise in
any field at all. You have to hand it to those people. They really have
to be committed to just believe everything no matter what Limbaugh tells
them.

Which makes it a shame that Limbaugh is really such a dumb, biased,
jerk. If he was really bright, well educated, and knowledgeable just
think at how much good he could have done. Instead he's done nothing but
make himself rich and helped the republican party put this country in
the hole it's still in.

Hawke

[Hawke]

On 10/20/2011 7:38 PM, Gray Guest wrote:
> de...@dudu.org wrote in news:gli0a79afaufij00j...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 12:13:37 -0400, Kianna Alarid<TheF...@bass.gov>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>>> Finally rid of another crazy Arab winger....thanks Obama...America
>>>> owes you a second term for that.
>>>>
>>>> Now if Gaddafi had lived in America, he would have belonged to the Tea
>>>> Party.
>>>>
>>>> Considering that he already dresses like them, he would have been a
>>>> trend setter for fashion in the Tea Party.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder how long the Tea Party will be wearing black arm bands for
>>>> him...
>>>
>>> They won't. That's why DooDoo is in mourning, because he was one of
> yours.
>>> A failed, LYING, retarded socialist.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_International_Theory
>>
>> I just love it when the moronic right wing proves they don't
>> understand even the simple basics about political science, refuse to
>> believe people with doctorate degrees but somehow choose to believe
>> the world's worst pathogical liars.
>
> Says the yellow crawling slime who claims that the gunshow loophole exists,
> claims his neighbor is selling guns through the loophole then claims he is
> afraid to turn him in becuase he may shoot you with a 1000 yard .45-70.

Can you tell me that you don't know that you can go to a gun show in
many states in this country, walk around and find a private party with a
gun to sell, and do a gun purchase from him with no one else involved in
the transaction but the two of you? Are you saying that you don't know
that can be done in many places? Because if you don't know that then
you're ignorant and foolish. That's called the gun show loophole and
yes, Katy, it does exist.

>> Two things I can say about the right wing drones, they are consistent,
>> and resolute in their ignorance.
>
> Really? that actually seems to be the epitah I order for your headstone.

On your headstone should be an engraving of a bee.


Hawke

[Hawke]

On 10/20/2011 9:09 PM, Gray Guest wrote:
> pyotr filipivich<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in
> news:hhq1a7t5gt0uc7sh6...@4ax.com:
>
>> Gray Guest<No_email...@wahoo.com> on Fri, 21 Oct 2011 02:50:09
>> +0000 (UTC) typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>>
>>> My neutered female Jack Russell has bigger balls then him.
>>
>> That's a keeper.
>> --
>> pyotr filipivich

>> "If Eric Holder gets indicted in Operation Fast& Furious,

>> should he get a civilian trial?" The Iowahawk
>>
>
> She only weighs 10 lbs. And she has more heart and courage than anything
> I'e seen on two legs at the OWS rallys.
>

Why don't you go to one of those rallies in person and tell them what
you think, that the banks and corporations are your best friends? See
how that goes over with all those "pacifists".

Hawke

[dca...@krl.org]

On Oct 22, 10:48 pm, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:

>. Yet he's got millions believing everything he says is true
> even to the point where, as you said, they disbelieve people with
> doctorates and instead believe the word of a man with no education at
> all. If someone told you that you wouldn't believe it.
>

> Hawke

You should always believe what makes sense regardless of a person's
credentials. I am willing to believe someone with no education if
what they say makes sense. I am not willing to believe highly
educated people when it is obvious that what they say does not make
sense.

Do you believe everything that William Shockley said?

Dan

[Gray Guest]

Hawke <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in
news:j7vvkk$uur$2...@speranza.aioe.org:

First of all Douchebag I rather doubt you have ever been to a gun show, so
the voimt coming out of the hole in your face is second hand.

Second I never said you couldn't. Every gun show I've been has had at least
one person selling a gun who was not an FFL. It's always a guy looking to
sell off some of his personal collection and would prefer not to get hosed
by a dealer.

Third what you rat faced vomit eaters are saying, if you thought it
through, if you were capable is that you want EVERY transaction, EVERY
firearm sale to be approved by the government. That means even between 2
brothers of father to son. Which is of course not what you are saying but
some putird vomitus about gun show loopholes.

fourth and last, in the case of Shitshit he describes a particular
situation which I know to be illegal, cops have told him is illegal and
FFLs have told him is illegal yet the cowardly fuck refuses to notify the
ATF about it because he's "afraid" of the guy whilst lying and whining
about some mythical loophole.

Now, go fuck yourself.

>
>
>
>>> Two things I can say about the right wing drones, they are consistent,
>>> and resolute in their ignorance.
>>
>> Really? that actually seems to be the epitah I order for your
>> headstone.
>
> On your headstone should be an engraving of a bee.

You man enough for the job, boytoy?

>
>
> Hawke

[Stormin Mormon]

So, the Occupy Wall Street people have that in common with
poorly mannered dogs.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Gerald Miller" <grmi...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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[John B.]

And of course this walking around and buying guns loophole has existed
since the America's were first settled.

I find it interesting that in New Hampshire, that has always had very
few laws regarding firearms, also has one of the lowest gun crime
rates in the nation. Rather implies that guns are not the fundamental
cause of crime, I would tend to believe..

>>> Two things I can say about the right wing drones, they are consistent,
>>> and resolute in their ignorance.
>>
>> Really? that actually seems to be the epitah I order for your headstone.
>
>On your headstone should be an engraving of a bee.
>
>
>Hawke

--
John B.

[de...@dudu.org]

Trouble is you believe something that makes no sense.

[Hawke]

On 10/22/2011 8:40 PM, Gray Guest wrote:

>> Can you tell me that you don't know that you can go to a gun show in
>> many states in this country, walk around and find a private party with a
>> gun to sell, and do a gun purchase from him with no one else involved in
>> the transaction but the two of you? Are you saying that you don't know
>> that can be done in many places? Because if you don't know that then
>> you're ignorant and foolish. That's called the gun show loophole and
>> yes, Katy, it does exist.
>
> First of all Douchebag I rather doubt you have ever been to a gun show, so
> the voimt coming out of the hole in your face is second hand

Then right off the bat you start things off being wrong. I've been to
plenty of gun shows. I don't go to them any more because you can't get
any decent deals there, and I've got all the weapons I need.

> Second I never said you couldn't. Every gun show I've been has had at least
> one person selling a gun who was not an FFL. It's always a guy looking to
> sell off some of his personal collection and would prefer not to get hosed
> by a dealer.

Those transactions are what they call the gun show loophole. Anyone can
sell a gun to anyone else no questions asked. So yes you Dodo, the gun
show loophole is still alive and well. You can sell privately to any KKK
member you want.

> Third what you rat faced vomit eaters are saying, if you thought it
> through, if you were capable is that you want EVERY transaction, EVERY
> firearm sale to be approved by the government. That means even between 2
> brothers of father to son. Which is of course not what you are saying but
> some putird vomitus about gun show loopholes.

As usual for an ignorant turd, you don't know what you're talking about.
Are some of the laws about guns stupid and shouldn't be there? Yeah, of
course. Here's one of California's stupid laws. Say I buy a gun. I can't
have it for ten days so they can check if I'm a felon or am a threat to
someone. Sounds okay, except for one thing. What if I already own a
dozen guns? You're not protecting anyone from me if I already have
weapons. So why not just put in the ten day waiting period if you've
never bought a gun before? Makes sense, right? But do they do it. Also
we can't buy a gun with a magazine capacity greater than ten rounds. Has
that ever made any difference to anyone? Nope. Will they change it back?
No. So sure there are plenty of stupid gun laws. But most of them are
not stupid. We want to keep guns away from crazy people or violent
felons. Laws that do that are fine. But to some people they can't tell
any difference, guys like you.

> fourth and last, in the case of Shitshit he describes a particular
> situation which I know to be illegal, cops have told him is illegal and
> FFLs have told him is illegal yet the cowardly fuck refuses to notify the
> ATF about it because he's "afraid" of the guy whilst lying and whining
> about some mythical loophole.

What he does about a personal threat is his business and I would suggest
you shut the fuck up and stay out of it.


> Now, go fuck yourself.

You first!

>>>> Two things I can say about the right wing drones, they are consistent,
>>>> and resolute in their ignorance.
>>>
>>> Really? that actually seems to be the epitah I order for your
>>> headstone.
>>
>> On your headstone should be an engraving of a bee.
>
> You man enough for the job, boytoy?

You would never know it if I wanted to.


Hawke

[de...@dudu.org]

On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:37:59 -0700, Hawke
<davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote:

>On 10/22/2011 8:40 PM, Gray Guest wrote:
>
>>> Can you tell me that you don't know that you can go to a gun show in
>>> many states in this country, walk around and find a private party with a
>>> gun to sell, and do a gun purchase from him with no one else involved in
>>> the transaction but the two of you? Are you saying that you don't know
>>> that can be done in many places? Because if you don't know that then
>>> you're ignorant and foolish. That's called the gun show loophole and
>>> yes, Katy, it does exist.
>>
>> First of all Douchebag I rather doubt you have ever been to a gun show, so
>> the voimt coming out of the hole in your face is second hand
>
>Then right off the bat you start things off being wrong. I've been to
>plenty of gun shows. I don't go to them any more because you can't get
>any decent deals there, and I've got all the weapons I need.
>

Well, I too have all the weapons I need, but you CAN get screaming
deals at gunshows. Everything is negotiable.

>
>> Second I never said you couldn't. Every gun show I've been has had at least
>> one person selling a gun who was not an FFL. It's always a guy looking to
>> sell off some of his personal collection and would prefer not to get hosed
>> by a dealer.
>
>Those transactions are what they call the gun show loophole. Anyone can
>sell a gun to anyone else no questions asked. So yes you Dodo, the gun
>show loophole is still alive and well. You can sell privately to any KKK
>member you want.

Actually, those private sellers legitimately selling off small
collections or doing an occasional trading are not the problem. The
problem is those who claim to be small private sellers but move large
numbers of modern high capacity weaponry.

[Hawke]

Bad analogy, Dan. I'm saying if a nuclear scientist tells you something
about nuclear energy and a housewife with a high school education tells
you that he's wrong which one of them are you going to believe? That is
the situation we have with Limbaugh most of the time. He's got no
training in any field and is an uneducated man. He espouses views that
are consistently opposed to those of highly learned people, and he
argues with these people about what is in their field of expertise.

No person with a lick of sense would take the word of a layman over an
expert. So what about you? Side with the layman, Limbaugh when he tells
scientists they are mistaken about the climate?

Hawke

[Hawke]

On 10/23/2011 1:45 PM, de...@dudu.org wrote:

>>> First of all Douchebag I rather doubt you have ever been to a gun show, so
>>> the voimt coming out of the hole in your face is second hand
>>
>> Then right off the bat you start things off being wrong. I've been to
>> plenty of gun shows. I don't go to them any more because you can't get
>> any decent deals there, and I've got all the weapons I need.
>>
> Well, I too have all the weapons I need, but you CAN get screaming
> deals at gunshows. Everything is negotiable.

I've never seen that to be true. Every gun show I've been to over the
last decade has been the same. The dealers selling guns there want more
than they do at the gun shops. As for what private parties are charging
that I wouldn't know. I've never done a deal that way and in California
every transaction has to be done with a FFL dealer.

>>> Second I never said you couldn't. Every gun show I've been has had at least
>>> one person selling a gun who was not an FFL. It's always a guy looking to
>>> sell off some of his personal collection and would prefer not to get hosed
>>> by a dealer.
>>
>> Those transactions are what they call the gun show loophole. Anyone can
>> sell a gun to anyone else no questions asked. So yes you Dodo, the gun
>> show loophole is still alive and well. You can sell privately to any KKK
>> member you want.
>
> Actually, those private sellers legitimately selling off small
> collections or doing an occasional trading are not the problem. The
> problem is those who claim to be small private sellers but move large
> numbers of modern high capacity weaponry.

I have no objection to gun laws that make sense. I hate the stupid ones.
For instance, I see no reason for silencers to be illegal. I see no
reason why family members can't sell or trade within the family. I don't
see why someone that owns guns needs to go though a ten day wait before
he gets a new gun, and I see no reason for a restriction on magazine
capacity. All those are stupid laws and they accomplish nothing.
Unfortunately California is a place where they think everything in the
world is fixable by passing a law.

Hawke

[de...@dudu.org]

Agreed. And as a gun owner who appreciates my right to sell and/or
trade my guns privately, I still think there needs to be a restriction
and regulation/documentation on those frequently selling large numbers
of weapons at gunshows.

>
>Hawke
>

[Gray Guest]

Hawke <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in
news:j81tv4$qbe$1...@speranza.aioe.org:

> On 10/22/2011 8:40 PM, Gray Guest wrote:
>
>>> Can you tell me that you don't know that you can go to a gun show in
>>> many states in this country, walk around and find a private party with
>>> a gun to sell, and do a gun purchase from him with no one else
>>> involved in the transaction but the two of you? Are you saying that
>>> you don't know that can be done in many places? Because if you don't
>>> know that then you're ignorant and foolish. That's called the gun show
>>> loophole and yes, Katy, it does exist.
>>
>> First of all Douchebag I rather doubt you have ever been to a gun show,
>> so the voimt coming out of the hole in your face is second hand
>
> Then right off the bat you start things off being wrong. I've been to
> plenty of gun shows. I don't go to them any more because you can't get
> any decent deals there, and I've got all the weapons I need.

Unlikely. Most liberals don't even know which end of the tube the rounds
comes out.

>
>
>> Second I never said you couldn't. Every gun show I've been has had at
>> least one person selling a gun who was not an FFL. It's always a guy
>> looking to sell off some of his personal collection and would prefer
>> not to get hosed by a dealer.
>
> Those transactions are what they call the gun show loophole. Anyone can
> sell a gun to anyone else no questions asked. So yes you Dodo, the gun
> show loophole is still alive and well. You can sell privately to any KKK
> member you want.

Since there is no such thing as a gunshow loophole, that expression being
anotehr lie and bit of agitprop from the Brady school of Lying scumbags, no
it does not exist. except in the disordered mind of the left.

>
>
>> Third what you rat faced vomit eaters are saying, if you thought it
>> through, if you were capable is that you want EVERY transaction, EVERY
>> firearm sale to be approved by the government. That means even between
>> 2 brothers of father to son. Which is of course not what you are saying
>> but some putird vomitus about gun show loopholes.
>
> As usual for an ignorant turd, you don't know what you're talking about.
> Are some of the laws about guns stupid and shouldn't be there? Yeah, of
> course. Here's one of California's stupid laws. Say I buy a gun. I can't
> have it for ten days so they can check if I'm a felon or am a threat to
> someone. Sounds okay, except for one thing. What if I already own a
> dozen guns? You're not protecting anyone from me if I already have
> weapons. So why not just put in the ten day waiting period if you've
> never bought a gun before? Makes sense, right? But do they do it. Also
> we can't buy a gun with a magazine capacity greater than ten rounds. Has
> that ever made any difference to anyone? Nope. Will they change it back?
> No. So sure there are plenty of stupid gun laws. But most of them are
> not stupid. We want to keep guns away from crazy people or violent
> felons. Laws that do that are fine. But to some people they can't tell
> any difference, guys like you.

All passed by liberals. Morons one and all.

>
>
>
>> fourth and last, in the case of Shitshit he describes a particular
>> situation which I know to be illegal, cops have told him is illegal and
>> FFLs have told him is illegal yet the cowardly fuck refuses to notify
>> the ATF about it because he's "afraid" of the guy whilst lying and
>> whining about some mythical loophole.
>
> What he does about a personal threat is his business and I would suggest
> you shut the fuck up and stay out of it.

If that is the case then he should not be using the situation as a reason
to infringe on my rights. Besides, he's lying.

>
>
>> Now, go fuck yourself.
>
> You first!
>
>
>>>>> Two things I can say about the right wing drones, they are
>>>>> consistent, and resolute in their ignorance.
>>>>
>>>> Really? that actually seems to be the epitah I order for your
>>>> headstone.
>>>
>>> On your headstone should be an engraving of a bee.
>>
>> You man enough for the job, boytoy?
>
>
> You would never know it if I wanted to.

Well, brave soul, have at it.

[Gray Guest]

de...@dudu.org wrote in news:rvu8a7l28fic1sopq...@4ax.com:

LIAR! HYPOCRITE! COWARD!

funny how you don't have the balls to answer me.

[Gray Guest]

Hawke <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in news:j81us1$so0$1
@speranza.aioe.org:

> I've never seen that to be true. Every gun show I've been to over the
> last decade has been the same. The dealers selling guns there want more
> than they do at the gun shops. As for what private parties are charging
> that I wouldn't know. I've never done a deal that way and in California
> every transaction has to be done with a FFL dealer.
>

As I said, you haven't been to ANY gunshows. I've bought in the last few
years and gotten excellent deals.

[Gray Guest]

de...@dudu.org wrote in news:lqv8a71vhhs7tiuhm...@4ax.com:

No you don't. You want every transaction tracked by the government for the
registration database that you so fervently desire.

Otherwise you wouldn't lie about so many differnet things. Like your Indian
air force service Ravi shakar and your neighbor the felon.

[de...@dudu.org]

I don't bother with pathetic losers like you. You are going to be
dead soon. So I have no reason to care about what you think.
Especially considering what a sick sociopathic shitstain you are.

[Gray Guest]

de...@dudu.org wrote in news:njd9a7l4gnh4jftgm...@4ax.com:

Pathetic losers? You mean like cowards that while about mythical gunshow
loopholes and use his neighbor the felon as an excuse why we need more laws
when you haven't got the sand to report him for his illegal actions?

Is it that:
You don't think what he's doing is illegal?
You mind your own business and look away from criminal acts?
You're to much of a pussy to report him because you think he'll shoot at
you at 1,000 yards with his .45-70?
You're to much of a hypocrite to report him because he makes a good example
as to why we should pass new laws when current law isn't being pursued?
He gives you great deals on off the book gun purchases?
You are mentally ill?
You are a lying sack of shit?

Face it, you have eviscerated your own argument.

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 21:42:42 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
<No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:

>>>>
>>>> On your headstone should be an engraving of a bee.
>>>
>>> You man enough for the job, boytoy?
>>
>>
>> You would never know it if I wanted to.
>
>Well, brave soul, have at it.

I get video rights of the Parakeets death!

And we Have to bury him on his back with both feet up in the air!

Even if we have to stick em back on with tape.

Gunner

[John B.]

Your hypothesis sounds quite reasonable until one considers that:

Until the 19th century, it was widely believed that trains could not
travel faster than about 50 miles per hour because of the immense
tornado-like winds that would be created along their paths. Some
British scientists predicted air would be evacuated from railway cars
at speeds in excess of 100 miles per hour, and all the passengers
would be asphyxiated.

Radio waves constructed as low-frequency light travel faster than
light. Ironically, physicists discovered this property of waves in an
ionized gas in the early part of this century, at the same time (1905)
that Albert Einstein was asserting that "velocities exceeding that of
light have no possibility of existence"

Some of the most enlighten philosophers of their times believed that
the earth was flat:
According to Aristotle, pre-Socratic philosophers, including Leucippus
(c. 440 BC) and Democritus (370 BC) believed in a flat Earth.
Anaximander (c. 550 BC) believed the Earth to be a short cylinder with
a flat, circular top that remained stable because it is the same
distance from all things. Anaximenes of Miletus believed that "the
earth is flat and rides on air; Xenophanes of Colophon (c. 500 BC)
thought that the Earth was flat. Belief in a flat Earth continued into
the 5th-century BC. Anaxagoras (c. 450 BC) agreed that the Earth was
flat, and his pupil Archelaus believed that the flat Earth was
depressed in the middle like a saucer, to allow for the fact that the
Sun does not rise and set at the same time for everyone.

One could go on but it is apparent that the fact that an individual
has received an education is not necessarily a factor in their amount
of knowledge.


--
John B.

[Scout]

<de...@dudu.org> wrote in message
news:rvu8a7l28fic1sopq...@4ax.com...

1) That is already illegal
2) You won't even report someone engaged in doing so.

Seems the problem isn't big enough for you do to anything about, so why
should we?

>

[Scout]

<de...@dudu.org> wrote in message
news:lqv8a71vhhs7tiuhm...@4ax.com...

There is. It's called the LAW.

[Scout]

<de...@dudu.org> wrote in message
news:njd9a7l4gnh4jftgm...@4ax.com...

Somehow, since you should be about 80....I think you would die first.

That is unless you LIED about your age.

[Gray Guest]

de...@dudu.org wrote in news:rvu8a7l28fic1sopq...@4ax.com:

Of course the real question is how do they move large numbers of modern
high capacity weaponry when they don't have FFLs to acquire guns in large
numbers at wholesale prices.

Once again demonsttrating that the morons don't understand economics.

[pyotr filipivich]

Gray Guest <No_email...@wahoo.com> on Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:00:10

+0000 (UTC) typed in misc.survivalism the following:

But before he drops the dime, maybe he'd do me a favor and obtain
a couple rifles for me. "Na leva" as we say in old country.


tschus
pyotr

--
pyotr filipivich
"If Eric Holder gets indicted in Operation Fast & Furious,

[Scout]

"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:nc2aa7pva4k6od5bj...@4ax.com...

Not to worry, Dudu will never drop the dime because that dealer exists only
as a figment of his imagination and was invented solely as a lie to promote
his agenda of further gun control without real purpose.

[T.Alan Kraus]

Yet Pythagoras knew the earth was a sphere and Erathostenes had actually
measured its circumference quite accurately using basic geometry. In
every period there is a prevalent scientific belief opposed by a very
small number. It usually turns out that the very small number of
opposing opinion eventually becomes the prevalent paradigm.

cheers
T.Alan

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:00:10 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
<No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:

>>
>> Actually, those private sellers legitimately selling off small
>> collections or doing an occasional trading are not the problem. The
>> problem is those who claim to be small private sellers but move large
>> numbers of modern high capacity weaponry.
>>
>>
>
>Of course the real question is how do they move large numbers of modern
>high capacity weaponry when they don't have FFLs to acquire guns in large
>numbers at wholesale prices.

How? Simply use a latino accent and the BATF will force any store you
are in, to sell you guns..truck loads of guns

[de...@dudu.org]

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:16:18 -0400, "Scout"
<me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>> Agreed. And as a gun owner who appreciates my right to sell and/or
>> trade my guns privately, I still think there needs to be a restriction
>> and regulation/documentation on those frequently selling large numbers
>> of weapons at gunshows.
>
>There is. It's called the LAW.
>
>

Well, the LAW doesn't apply to people refusing to call themselves
dealers. Thus the loophole.

[de...@dudu.org]

Technically it is NOT. All someone has to do is claim the are not "in
the business" and they are not a dealer.

>2) You won't even report someone engaged in doing so.

For one thing I have no proof. Even if they did investigate him the
most they will do is catch one man. My proposed solution would stop
everyone with infringing on the rights of legitimate private sellers.

>
>Seems the problem isn't big enough for you do to anything about, so why
>should we?

Because the problem is big enough. You just refuse to admit it.

>
>>

[Kianna Alarid]

That's called lying, you retard.
If a dealer does what you say 9like your "friend") to sell guns, they
are breaking the law, you retard.

[John B.]

You are correct of course but I was replying to Hawke's apparent
thesis that graduating from collage somehow means that you actually
know what you are talking about. My thesis is that everyone has areas
of expertise and ignorance and while one may well be a demon
basket-weaver ( for example) the fact that one holds a degree in the
subject doesn't qualify him to discuss Quantum mechanics (to use
another example).

.

--
John B.

[Larry Jaques]

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:14:31 -0700, "T.Alan Kraus"
<soun...@sonic.net> wrote:

--snip--

>Yet Pythagoras knew the earth was a sphere and Erathostenes had actually
>measured its circumference quite accurately using basic geometry. In
>every period there is a prevalent scientific belief opposed by a very
>small number. It usually turns out that the very small number of
>opposing opinion eventually becomes the prevalent paradigm.

Kinda like us, the Global Warming Skeptics, huh? ;)

--
It is characteristic of all deep human problems that they are
not to be approached without some humor and some bewilderment.
-- Freeman Dyson

[Ed Huntress]

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
news:c5qaa71pvmotdga9h...@4ax.com...

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:14:31 -0700, "T.Alan Kraus"
<soun...@sonic.net> wrote:
--snip--
>Yet Pythagoras knew the earth was a sphere and Erathostenes had actually
>measured its circumference quite accurately using basic geometry. In
>every period there is a prevalent scientific belief opposed by a very
>small number. It usually turns out that the very small number of
>opposing opinion eventually becomes the prevalent paradigm.

>Kinda like us, the Global Warming Skeptics, huh? ;)

Not really. Your group is more like the "very small number of opposing
opinion" who believes in the flat earth, supported on the back of the World
Turtle, and that it's turtles, all the way down. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

[dca...@krl.org]

On Oct 24, 9:38 am, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:

> Not really. Your group is more like the "very small number of opposing
> opinion" who believes in the flat earth, supported on the back of the World
> Turtle, and that it's turtles, all the way down. d8-)
>
> --
> Ed Huntress

Another put down by Ed instead of a reasoned argument.

Dan

[Ed Huntress]

wrote in message
news:84d475cd-72b7-4082...@gk10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...

Another example of humor deprivation from Dan, instead of good sense.

--
Ed Huntress

[Gray Guest]

de...@dudu.org wrote in news:jnmaa71jcj9lobnja...@4ax.com:

Actually BATF gets to make the decision whether you are a dealer or not
when they investigate you.

>
>>2) You won't even report someone engaged in doing so.
>
> For one thing I have no proof.

So your example of why we need it it a lie?

> Even if they did investigate him the
> most they will do is catch one man. My proposed solution would stop
> everyone with infringing on the rights of legitimate private sellers.

Really? Since the laws don't appear to be working now, please describe the
law that will somehow cjange the hearts of mem sufficiently to obey the
law.

>
>>
>>Seems the problem isn't big enough for you do to anything about, so why
>>should we?
>
> Because the problem is big enough. You just refuse to admit it.

And YOUR SPECIFIC proof of this is?

Since you ARE NOW BACKING DOWN FROM YOUR 1 EXAMPLE, and you cannot possibly
visit every gun show in the country, what is YOUR evidence that this is a
widespread phenomenem?

[Gray Guest]

de...@dudu.org wrote in news:jnmaa71jcj9lobnja...@4ax.com:

>>2) You won't even report someone engaged in doing so.
>
> For one thing I have no proof. Even if they did investigate him the
> most they will do is catch one man. My proposed solution would stop
> everyone with infringing on the rights of legitimate private sellers.

And this is crap anyway. If he has even 1 gun that he cannot account for ATF
will make his life miserable.

Face it, you made it all up, you a a liar.

[Ed Huntress]

"Gray Guest" wrote in message
news:Xns9F8874EADC70DWe...@88.198.244.100...

<snip>

Well, the cases are decided in the courts, because it's a criminal charge.
If ATF brings the charge, then the court has to determine if the individual
meets the requirement of a private seller under the (vague) terms of the
McClure-Volkmer Act of 1986 (the "Firearms Owners Protection Act," or FOPA).

There is enough case law on the books to make the determination fairly
clear.

--
Ed Huntress

[Gray Guest]

"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in
news:4ea58b37$0$1969$607e...@cv.net:

Yeah, how many cases does the ATF lose?

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 24 Oct 2011 04:55:03 -0700

typed in misc.survivalism the following:

>On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:00:10 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
><No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Actually, those private sellers legitimately selling off small
>>> collections or doing an occasional trading are not the problem. The
>>> problem is those who claim to be small private sellers but move large
>>> numbers of modern high capacity weaponry.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Of course the real question is how do they move large numbers of modern
>>high capacity weaponry when they don't have FFLs to acquire guns in large
>>numbers at wholesale prices.
>
>How? Simply use a latino accent and the BATF will force any store you
>are in, to sell you guns..truck loads of guns

Si, senior.


tschus
Pedro
--
pyotr filipivich
With a tight organization with a clear doctrine, coupled with
strong party discipline - I think we could bring about complete
anarchy!

[pyotr filipivich]

"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> on Mon, 24 Oct
2011 02:50:53 -0400 typed in misc.survivalism the following:

>"pyotr filipivich" <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Gray Guest <No_email...@wahoo.com> on Mon, 24 Oct 2011 06:00:10
>> +0000 (UTC) typed in misc.survivalism the following:

>>>de...@dudu.org wroteL

Dang. Does that mean he doesn't know someone who can get me
machine gun without papers?
I'm shocked, shocked that a geezer would have smoked so much dope
as to leave him with such a tenuous connection to reality. Bummer,
man, like like - like has anyone seen the doritos?

Farm out and Right Arm.


pyotr

--
pyotr filipivich.
For Sale: Uncirculated Roman Drachmas, feature Julius Ceaser's Portrait,
several dated 44 BCE. Comes with Certificate of Authenticity.

[Michael A. Terrell]

"John B." wrote:
>
> You are correct of course but I was replying to Hawke's apparent
> thesis that graduating from collage somehow means that you actually
> know what you are talking about. My thesis is that everyone has areas
> of expertise and ignorance and while one may well be a demon
> basket-weaver ( for example) the fact that one holds a degree in the
> subject doesn't qualify him to discuss Quantum mechanics (to use
> another example).

Some of the biggest fools I've met had college degrees, and some of
the smartest only finished high school.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

[Michael A. Terrell]

"dca...@krl.org" wrote:
>
> On Oct 24, 9:38 am, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> > Not really. Your group is more like the "very small number of opposing
> > opinion" who believes in the flat earth, supported on the back of the World
> > Turtle, and that it's turtles, all the way down. d8-)
>

> Another put down by Ed instead of a reasoned argument.

Sadly, he's doing the best that he can.

[Ed Huntress]

"Gray Guest" wrote in message

news:Xns9F887D423F993We...@88.198.244.100...

I have no idea. How many cases have they brought?

--
Ed Huntress

[de...@dudu.org]

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 09:27:56 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Farm out and Right Arm.

I support the right to arm bears.

>
>
>pyotr

[Kianna Alarid]

I bet you do.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bear

Top of the list discribes your meaning.

[T.Alan Kraus]

Exactly! There is a great book out there by James Delingpole,
Watermelons. I highly recommend it.

cheers
T.Alan

[T.Alan Kraus]

You should follow the money and find out the reasons for the human
global warming carbon thingy... Read Watermelons by James Delingpole, it
lays it out for all to see. I know how hard it is to read something
that seems to expound an opposite view than the one you hold, but you
owe it to your intelligence and open mind.
cheers
T.Alan

[dca...@krl.org]

On Oct 24, 10:29 am, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:

> Another example of humor deprivation from Dan, instead of good sense.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress

Yet another put down from Ed.

Dan

[Gunner Asch]

Indeed. Same here.

Usenet only confirms it.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:28:31 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"John B." wrote:
> >>
> >> You are correct of course but I was replying to Hawke's apparent
> >> thesis that graduating from collage somehow means that you actually
> >> know what you are talking about. My thesis is that everyone has areas
> >> of expertise and ignorance and while one may well be a demon
> >> basket-weaver ( for example) the fact that one holds a degree in the
> >> subject doesn't qualify him to discuss Quantum mechanics (to use
> >> another example).
> >
> >
> > Some of the biggest fools I've met had college degrees, and some of
> >the smartest only finished high school.
>
> Indeed. Same here.
>
> Usenet only confirms it.

The bigger the fool they are, the more they brag about their degrees.
:(

[Larry Jaques]

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:29:24 -0700, "T.Alan Kraus"

<soun...@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 10/24/2011 6:32 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 02:14:31 -0700, "T.Alan Kraus"
>> <soun...@sonic.net> wrote:
>> --snip--
>>> Yet Pythagoras knew the earth was a sphere and Erathostenes had actually
>>> measured its circumference quite accurately using basic geometry. In
>>> every period there is a prevalent scientific belief opposed by a very
>>> small number. It usually turns out that the very small number of
>>> opposing opinion eventually becomes the prevalent paradigm.
>>
>> Kinda like us, the Global Warming Skeptics, huh? ;)
>

>Exactly! There is a great book out there by James Delingpole,
>Watermelons. I highly recommend it.

I'll have to pick up a copy. It looks good!

If you haven't yet read it, find Peter Huber's _Hard Green_. It's one
of the sanest books on 'things green' I've ever read. I wish it were
mandatory reading in high (or earlier) school.

I haven't yet opened the cover of my newest purchase, Plimer's _Heaven
and Earth_ yet, but it's next up on my nightstand. I'm halfway
through Rasmussen's _Mad as Hell_ Tea Party book now and started David
Drake's _Voyage_ while I burned branches this morning. I took one
-very- large load to the green waste recycling center and burned the
small amount of excess.

[Ed Huntress]

"T.Alan Kraus" wrote in message
news:4ea5afbe$0$1678$742e...@news.sonic.net...

=========================================================================

[reply]

I welcome reading things that oppose my views, if the reading is any good.
In fact, that's how I got into this with Larry in the first place. He held
me down and forced me to read Michael Crichton's _State of Fear_. <g> It was
fun to read, but the science was full of holes big enough to drive a truck
through. Of course, Crichton frequently pointed out that it was a work of
fiction...

This one is not going to oppose my views on the the human influence on
climate change, because I don't have any. I consider the idea that anyone
without a very strong background in this particular subject actually *holds*
a view to be preposterous. All we can do is decide which experts we like --
which can retrogress into a question of which politics we like.

So I'll look into _Watermelons_ on your recommendation. From what I can see
in the reviews, it looks like a politically twisted polemic, but I don't
think about those things while I'm reading. d8-)

I might point out that, regarding the political and financial interests, I
looked into the backgrounds of some of the key deniers three or four years
ago and learned that they were financed and supported overwhelmingly by the
coal industry. I'm curious about Delingpole's background. If it was he, and
not a reviewer, who claimed that the "global cooling" hysteria was a product
of the green movement, I could correct that. It came from a right-wing,
self-promoting author-for-hire around 1970, who took some speculative and
preliminary research from Princeton and distorted into a minor goldmine.

Thanks for the lead. If nothing else, I like to read what the deniers find
convincing. And I do read with an open mind, ignoring backstories and
suspending disbelief until I'm done.

--
Ed Huntress

[Ed Huntress]

wrote in message
news:67b479d5-d099-4dfb...@t10g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...

You must read with one eye closed, Dan. The eye that's closed is the one
that should be reading your OWN put-downs.

You jumped into a discussion Larry and I have had for at least four years.
It's gone back and forth like that from the beginning, when he told me I was
too dim to recognize that I had bought into the climate story, which he
considers to be a fraud. I don't take kindly to being called dim, or
anything like it, so we've bantered about this ever since. I never said he's
wrong. I've only said that the idea he understands enough of the science to
have a belief about it is absurd. I don't have a belief about it, either.

You have a lot of damned nerve, Mr. Caster, jumping into the middle of some
conversations that have gone on for years, and accusing ME of put-downs. The
whole put-down business here started a decade ago, when Gunner and his boyz
started calling everyone who doesn't agree with them a "libtard," or far
worse. Larry has engage in plenty of it. Long-timers here know how it
started and when, roughly, those of us not of the right decided we'd had
enough.

So stick it where the sun don't shine, Dan. You have no business being
critical, and I'm getting damned sick and tired of it.

--
Ed Huntress

[Gray Guest]

de...@dudu.org wrote in news:l57ba7ds4akcap978...@4ax.com:

And criminals, too.

[Gray Guest]

Kianna Alarid <TheF...@bass.gov> wrote in news:4ea5a5c4$0$4164
$607e...@cv.net:

Ewwwww!

[anorton]

"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:4ea5ce22$0$1990$607e...@cv.net...

Regarding your second point, Physics Today recently pointed out the parallel
to the global warming debate today and the debate surrounding general
relativity theory even after it had been proven experimentally in 1919. As
Einstein himself described it:

"This world is a strange madhouse. Currently, every coachman and every
waiter is debating whether relativity theory is correct. Belief in this
matter depends on political party affiliation."

In other words if relativity were correct, it would undermine the ideology
of the antisemitic political parties. It did not matter what the best
scientists with direct expertise in the field said. Just like today when
it does not seem to matter that nearly all scientific societies in the world
have endorsed the conclusion that human activities are causing global
warming and NONE have endorsed a dissenting view. Even the American
Association of Petroleum Geologists which (surprise, surprise) held a
dissenting view until 2007, changed their position to one that is
non-commital.

[dca...@krl.org]

On Oct 24, 5:29 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:


> You have a lot of damned nerve, Mr. Caster, jumping into the middle of some
> conversations that have gone on for years, and accusing ME of put-downs. The
> whole put-down business here started a decade ago, when Gunner and his boyz
> started calling everyone who doesn't agree with them a "libtard," or far
> worse. Larry has engage in plenty of it. Long-timers here know how it
> started and when, roughly, those of us not of the right decided we'd had
> enough.

I have been on this usegroup a lot longer than you have. So I am a
Long-timer. But since you think you are a long timer, you should know
that usegroups are not private. You post something, anyone can
respond. If you want private, go to e-mail.

>
> So stick it where the sun don't shine, Dan. You have no business being
> critical, and I'm getting damned sick and tired of it.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress

So you are sick and tired. Tough luck. I have just as much right to
be critical as everyone else on the usegroups. Just don't write posts
which have no facts and which denigrate people. And I will not
criticise. Your comments are sometimes excellent and sometimes what I
expect from 13 year old boys.


Dan

[Ed Huntress]

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<plonk>

[dca...@krl.org]

On Oct 24, 7:44 pm, "Ed Huntress" <huntre...@optonline.net> wrote:


> <plonk>


Oh My.

Dan

[Scout]

<de...@dudu.org> wrote in message
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Actually based on what you've told is it is clearly illegal. Nothing legal
about it, technically or otherwise.

> All someone has to do is claim the are not "in
> the business" and they are not a dealer.

Not according to the law.

>>2) You won't even report someone engaged in doing so.
>
> For one thing I have no proof.

Then how do you know it's going on?

> Even if they did investigate him the
> most they will do is catch one man.

Yep, one man here, one man there, another man over there, and after awhile
the problem is solved.

Yet you don't consider it important enough to even report, which FYI you
don't need proof to do, just reasonable suspicion.

> My proposed solution would stop
> everyone with infringing on the rights of legitimate private sellers.

By infringing on the rights of legitimate private sellers?

>>Seems the problem isn't big enough for you do to anything about, so why
>>should we?
>
> Because the problem is big enough. You just refuse to admit it.

Apparently it isn't big enough, since despite all the gun shows you've been
to, you suspect only ONE person, and even he you admit you have no proof of
wrong doing.

Sorry, but looks like your problem is pretty vague to me, and hardly sound
enough to justify the actions you're calling for.

[Scout]

<de...@dudu.org> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 00:16:18 -0400, "Scout"
> <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>> Agreed. And as a gun owner who appreciates my right to sell and/or
>>> trade my guns privately, I still think there needs to be a restriction
>>> and regulation/documentation on those frequently selling large numbers
>>> of weapons at gunshows.
>>
>>There is. It's called the LAW.
>>
>>
> Well, the LAW doesn't apply to people refusing to call themselves
> dealers.

Sorry, but the law does apply, and the law doesn't care what you CALL
yourself.

> Thus the loophole.

Once again, Dudu forgets what he has learned and is once again falsely
asserting a loophole where none exists.

[Hawke]

On 10/23/2011 2:44 PM, Gray Guest wrote:
> Hawke<davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in news:j81us1$so0$1
> @speranza.aioe.org:
>
>> I've never seen that to be true. Every gun show I've been to over the
>> last decade has been the same. The dealers selling guns there want more
>> than they do at the gun shops. As for what private parties are charging
>> that I wouldn't know. I've never done a deal that way and in California
>> every transaction has to be done with a FFL dealer.
>>
>
> As I said, you haven't been to ANY gunshows. I've bought in the last few
> years and gotten excellent deals.


There is a serious question if you would even recognize a good deal if
you saw one. You're a rube. They get taken all the time.

Hawke

[Hawke]

On 10/23/2011 1:56 PM, Deucalion wrote:
Dan
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bad analogy, Dan. I'm saying if a nuclear scientist tells you something
>> about nuclear energy and a housewife with a high school education tells
>> you that he's wrong which one of them are you going to believe? That is
>> the situation we have with Limbaugh most of the time. He's got no
>> training in any field and is an uneducated man. He espouses views that
>> are consistently opposed to those of highly learned people, and he
>> argues with these people about what is in their field of expertise.
>>
>> No person with a lick of sense would take the word of a layman over an
>> expert. So what about you? Side with the layman, Limbaugh when he tells
>> scientists they are mistaken about the climate?
>
> I had a nuclear engineer around here assure us that the Japanese
> reactors affected by the earthquake would not be a serious problem and
> I said that he was wrong. Which one was right?



I suppose that could happen but in general who do you think the people
should believe, a nuclear engineer when talking about reactors or a
member of the general public? I'd go with the nuclear engineer even
though as we saw in Japan they make mistakes too.

Hawke

[Hawke]

On 10/23/2011 7:04 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:45:08 -0700, Hawke
> <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>
>> On 10/22/2011 8:10 PM, dca...@krl.org wrote:
>>> On Oct 22, 10:48 pm, Hawke<davesmith...@digitalpath.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> . Yet he's got millions believing everything he says is true
>>>> even to the point where, as you said, they disbelieve people with
>>>> doctorates and instead believe the word of a man with no education at
>>>> all. If someone told you that you wouldn't believe it.
>>>>
>>>> Hawke
>>>
>>> You should always believe what makes sense regardless of a person's
>>> credentials. I am willing to believe someone with no education if
>>> what they say makes sense. I am not willing to believe highly
>>> educated people when it is obvious that what they say does not make
>>> sense.
>>>
>>> Do you believe everything that William Shockley said?

>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bad analogy, Dan. I'm saying if a nuclear scientist tells you something
>> about nuclear energy and a housewife with a high school education tells
>> you that he's wrong which one of them are you going to believe? That is
>> the situation we have with Limbaugh most of the time. He's got no
>> training in any field and is an uneducated man. He espouses views that
>> are consistently opposed to those of highly learned people, and he
>> argues with these people about what is in their field of expertise.
>>
>> No person with a lick of sense would take the word of a layman over an
>> expert. So what about you? Side with the layman, Limbaugh when he tells
>> scientists they are mistaken about the climate?
>>

>> Hawke
>
>
> Your hypothesis sounds quite reasonable until one considers that:
>
> Until the 19th century, it was widely believed that trains could not
> travel faster than about 50 miles per hour because of the immense
> tornado-like winds that would be created along their paths. Some
> British scientists predicted air would be evacuated from railway cars
> at speeds in excess of 100 miles per hour, and all the passengers
> would be asphyxiated.
>
> Radio waves constructed as low-frequency light travel faster than
> light. Ironically, physicists discovered this property of waves in an
> ionized gas in the early part of this century, at the same time (1905)
> that Albert Einstein was asserting that "velocities exceeding that of
> light have no possibility of existence"
>
> Some of the most enlighten philosophers of their times believed that
> the earth was flat:
> According to Aristotle, pre-Socratic philosophers, including Leucippus
> (c. 440 BC) and Democritus (370 BC) believed in a flat Earth.
> Anaximander (c. 550 BC) believed the Earth to be a short cylinder with
> a flat, circular top that remained stable because it is the same
> distance from all things. Anaximenes of Miletus believed that "the
> earth is flat and rides on air; Xenophanes of Colophon (c. 500 BC)
> thought that the Earth was flat. Belief in a flat Earth continued into
> the 5th-century BC. Anaxagoras (c. 450 BC) agreed that the Earth was
> flat, and his pupil Archelaus believed that the flat Earth was
> depressed in the middle like a saucer, to allow for the fact that the
> Sun does not rise and set at the same time for everyone.
>
> One could go on but it is apparent that the fact that an individual
> has received an education is not necessarily a factor in their amount
> of knowledge.


That's not what I'm saying either. History is littered with the mistaken
statements from "experts". I'm reminded of the famous one from a general
in either the revolutionary war or the civil war, I can't remember
which, where he told his men that nobody could hit them at this range.
And then he was promptly shot. So not just being an expert or scientist
guarantees you are always right about anything. Sometimes the expert is
wrong and the amateur is right.


But as a general rule I'll go with the recommendations of the expert
over the amateur. I'll listen to a professional golf caddie when he says
what club to use and not you. I'll take the word or the army ordnance
expert when he tells me I'm not our of the range of a blast and not some
bystander. I think you get my drift, and that when it comes to getting
the facts I'm not going with Limbaugh. I will take the expert's advice
over his any day of the week. I'd recommend that to everyone but I
realize no right winger will ever take that advice.

Hawke

[Hawke]

Dan, if you actually understood how the scientific community thinks
about global warming you would see why people like Ed make fun of people
with your position. At this point it has gotten to where the only people
who still disbelieve in global warming are conservative republicans.
Everybody else thinks the opposite.

If you understood how much agreement that there is in the scientific
community of the correctness of the climate change theory you would see
why your side is treated with disdain. Among at least 80% of the world's
top scientists this is not a debatable question any more. When you take
the view of the small minority don't expect respect from anyone that
isn't in your group of right wing zealots, because that's all that's in
your group. And they aren't known for their rational thinking prowess.

Hawke

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 20:14:50 -0400, "Scout"

In fact..thats called Paranoia in medical terms. Or perhaps
schitzophrenia.

[Gunner Asch]

Poo baby wont suck on the tit anymore?

Seems Fast Eddy didnt like a face full of Truth much..did he?

Gunner

[John B.]

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 12:28:31 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>"John B." wrote:
>>
>> You are correct of course but I was replying to Hawke's apparent
>> thesis that graduating from collage somehow means that you actually
>> know what you are talking about. My thesis is that everyone has areas
>> of expertise and ignorance and while one may well be a demon
>> basket-weaver ( for example) the fact that one holds a degree in the
>> subject doesn't qualify him to discuss Quantum mechanics (to use
>> another example).
>
>
> Some of the biggest fools I've met had college degrees, and some of
>the smartest only finished high school.

I suspect that the ratio of fools to smarts is fairly well distributed
through out society with no regard to education levels.

(although after reading Usenet for some time I am somewhat inclined to
think that the former classification may dominate)


--
John B.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Some need this for a sig file: "No one on Usenet knows you're a fool,
till you hit send." :(

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> dca...@krl.org wrote:
>
> > Ed Huntress wrote:
> >
> >> <plonk>
> >
> >Oh My.

>
> Poo baby wont suck on the tit anymore?
>
> Seems Fast Eddy didnt like a face full of Truth much..did he?

He can't handle the truth. Hell, he can't even find decent software
for Usenet.

[Ed Huntress]

"anorton" wrote in message
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=================================================================
[reply]

Ha! Imagine what Einstein would think of the anti-science political wing we
have today. <g>

There's an interesting story about former skeptic Richard Muller in the
Washington Post today. Apparently Muller's report last week in the Wall
Street Journal, in which he reversed himself and said that extensive
checking shows that the IPCC got the warming data exactly right, has some of
the hard core sputtering in their soup:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-scientific-finding-that-settles-the-climate-change-debate/2011/03/01/gIQAd6QfDM_story.html

It's an amazing commentary on how the politicos have abused and distorted
science.

--
Ed Huntress

[pyotr filipivich]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Mon, 24 Oct 2011
12:28:31 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>
>"John B." wrote:
>>
>> You are correct of course but I was replying to Hawke's apparent
>> thesis that graduating from collage somehow means that you actually
>> know what you are talking about. My thesis is that everyone has areas
>> of expertise and ignorance and while one may well be a demon
>> basket-weaver ( for example) the fact that one holds a degree in the
>> subject doesn't qualify him to discuss Quantum mechanics (to use
>> another example).
>
>
> Some of the biggest fools I've met had college degrees, and some of
>the smartest only finished high school.

My experience is that some people go to college, and only learn
what it mentioned in class, and some of the buzzwords. Others go to
the same classes, but "apply" themselves to the material, and actually
study the subject. The former is schooled (but thinks he is
"educated"), the later went to school and got an education.

And that is long before we get into the important thing about
"amateurs" -e.g., they love the subject.

tschus
pyotr

--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

[Benny Fishhole]

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 19:57:13 -0700, Hawke
<davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote:

>On 10/20/2011 9:09 PM, Gray Guest wrote:

>> She only weighs 10 lbs. And she has more heart and courage than anything
>> I'e seen on two legs at the OWS rallys.
>>
>
>
>Why don't you go to one of those rallies in person and tell them what
>you think, that the banks and corporations are your best friends? See
>how that goes over with all those "pacifists".
>
>Hawke

Why aren't you at the rally you limp-wristed, Obama-voting poor boy?
Pelosi needs you out there with a sign so she could go on the air and
tell us how normal you pathetic libtards are. Suit up! Obama needs you
on the front line!

[Benny Fishhole]

On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:37:59 -0700, Hawke
<davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote:

>On 10/22/2011 8:40 PM, Gray Guest wrote:
>
>>> Can you tell me that you don't know that you can go to a gun show in
>>> many states in this country, walk around and find a private party with a
>>> gun to sell, and do a gun purchase from him with no one else involved in
>>> the transaction but the two of you? Are you saying that you don't know
>>> that can be done in many places? Because if you don't know that then
>>> you're ignorant and foolish. That's called the gun show loophole and
>>> yes, Katy, it does exist.
>>
>> First of all Douchebag I rather doubt you have ever been to a gun show, so
>> the voimt coming out of the hole in your face is second hand
>
>Then right off the bat you start things off being wrong. I've been to
>plenty of gun shows. I don't go to them any more because you can't get
>any decent deals there, and I've got all the weapons I need.

So what. That's a dumb reason for not buying any more.

>
>
>> Second I never said you couldn't. Every gun show I've been has had at least
>> one person selling a gun who was not an FFL. It's always a guy looking to
>> sell off some of his personal collection and would prefer not to get hosed
>> by a dealer.
>
>Those transactions are what they call the gun show loophole. Anyone can
>sell a gun to anyone else no questions asked. So yes you Dodo, the gun
>show loophole is still alive and well. You can sell privately to any KKK
>member you want.

Big deal. You can do private sales even if there weren't any gun
shows. If you have stupid gun laws then it's because you keep electing
stupid politicians.


>
>
>> Third what you rat faced vomit eaters are saying, if you thought it
>> through, if you were capable is that you want EVERY transaction, EVERY
>> firearm sale to be approved by the government. That means even between 2
>> brothers of father to son. Which is of course not what you are saying but
>> some putird vomitus about gun show loopholes.
>
>As usual for an ignorant turd, you don't know what you're talking about.
>Are some of the laws about guns stupid and shouldn't be there? Yeah, of
>course. Here's one of California's stupid laws. Say I buy a gun. I can't
>have it for ten days so they can check if I'm a felon or am a threat to
>someone. Sounds okay, except for one thing. What if I already own a
>dozen guns? You're not protecting anyone from me if I already have
>weapons. So why not just put in the ten day waiting period if you've
>never bought a gun before? Makes sense, right? But do they do it. Also
>we can't buy a gun with a magazine capacity greater than ten rounds. Has
>that ever made any difference to anyone? Nope. Will they change it back?
>No. So sure there are plenty of stupid gun laws. But most of them are
>not stupid. We want to keep guns away from crazy people or violent
>felons. Laws that do that are fine. But to some people they can't tell
>any difference, guys like you.
>
>
>
>> fourth and last, in the case of Shitshit he describes a particular
>> situation which I know to be illegal, cops have told him is illegal and
>> FFLs have told him is illegal yet the cowardly fuck refuses to notify the
>> ATF about it because he's "afraid" of the guy whilst lying and whining
>> about some mythical loophole.
>
>What he does about a personal threat is his business and I would suggest
>you shut the fuck up and stay out of it.
>
>
>> Now, go fuck yourself.
>
>You first!
>
>
>>>>> Two things I can say about the right wing drones, they are consistent,
>>>>> and resolute in their ignorance.
>>>>
>>>> Really? that actually seems to be the epitah I order for your
>>>> headstone.
>>>
>>> On your headstone should be an engraving of a bee.
>>
>> You man enough for the job, boytoy?
>
>
>You would never know it if I wanted to.
>
>
>Hawke

[Benny Fishhole]

On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:19:39 -0400, Deucalion <som...@nowhere.net>
wrote:

>On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:48:08 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>wrote:

>
>>On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 21:42:42 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
>><No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On your headstone should be an engraving of a bee.
>>>>>
>>>>> You man enough for the job, boytoy?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You would never know it if I wanted to.
>>>

>>>Well, brave soul, have at it.
>>
>>I get video rights of the Parakeets death!
>>
>>And we Have to bury him on his back with both feet up in the air!
>>
>>Even if we have to stick em back on with tape.
>>
>>Gunner
>
>Laurel Hill is still there gunner.

What did you say your address was, Douchebag? Uh huh, thought so.