Obama Told Aides He's 'Really Good At Killing People'

[Ray Keller]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/last-president-obama-reportedly-told-024401509.html


Obama Told Aides He's 'Really Good At Killing People'
Obama's legacy will be as the president who conducted assassinations around
the world.


AP -- This will not go over well for the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize winner.

According to the new book "Double Down," in which journalists Mark Halperin
and John Heilemann chronicle the 2012 presidential election, President Barack
Obama told his aides that he's "really good at killing people" while
discussing drone strikes.

Peter Hamby of The Washington Post reported the moment in his review of the
book.

The claim by the commander-in-chief is as indisputable as it is grim.

Obama oversaw the 2009 surge in Afghanistan, 145 Predator drone strikes in
NATO's 2011 Libya operations, the May 2011 raid that killed Osama bin Laden,
and drone strikes that killed the Pakistani Taliban leader and a senior
member of the Somali-based militant group al-Shabab this week.

His administration also expanded the drone war: There have been 326 drone
strikes in Pakistan, 93 in Yemen, and several in Somalia, compared to a total
of 52 under George Bush.

In 2011 two of those strikes killed American-born al-Qaeda propagandist Anwar
al-Awlaki and his American-born, 16-year-old son within two weeks.

Under Obama U.S. drone operators began practicing "signature strikes," a
tactic in which targets are chosen based on patterns of suspicious behavior
and the identities of those to be killed aren't necessarily known. (The
administration counts all "military-age males" in a strike zone as
combatants.)

Furthermore, the disturbing trend of the "double tap" - bombing the same
place in quick succession and often hitting first responders - has become
common practice.

Needless to say, a lot of innocent people have been killed along with
combatants.

Obama has also embraced the expansion of capture/kill missions by Joint
Special Operations Command (JSOC) after it developed into the primary
counterterrorism tool of the Bush administration.

One JSOC operator told investigative journalist Jeremy Scahill, author of
"Dirty Wars: The World Is A Battlefield," that operations under Obama became
"harder, faster, quicker - with the full support of the White House."

Scahill, who also made a "Dirty Wars" documentary, told NBC News that Obama
will "go down in history as the president who legitimized and systematized a
process by which the United States asserts the right to conduct assassination
operations around the world."

So although President Obama has proven to be "really good at killing people,"
the demonstration has not necessarily been noble.

[Sam]

On 11/3/2013 10:18 AM, Ray Keller wrote:

>
> AP -- This will not go over well for the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize winner.
>
> According to the new book "Double Down," in which journalists Mark Halperin
> and John Heilemann chronicle the 2012 presidential election, President Barack
> Obama told his aides that he's "really good at killing people" while
> discussing drone strikes.
>

He killed OBL ... where as a red-neck , dry drunk moron from Texas
played golf all the time .. so he has a point and proof.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 11:06:28 -0600, Sam <S...@nomail.com> wrote:

>On 11/3/2013 10:18 AM, Ray Keller wrote:
>
>>
>> AP -- This will not go over well for the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize winner.
>>
>> According to the new book "Double Down," in which journalists Mark Halperin
>> and John Heilemann chronicle the 2012 presidential election, President Barack
>> Obama told his aides that he's "really good at killing people" while
>> discussing drone strikes.
>>
>
>He killed OBL .

Prove it.

[Guy Fawkes]

"Ray Keller" <Left...@desperate.com> wrote in
news:2Hudu.170694$Am5....@fx24.iad:

>
> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/last-president-obama-reportedly-told-024401

That is kinda sick. I can't remeber any normal president saying something
lik that.

He is a sick, sick man.

--
There is no court for his crimes.

"V"

[Guy Fawkes]

Sam <S...@nomail.com> wrote in news:l55vrh$par$1...@dont-email.me:

He (Obama) killed OBL. You mean he flew into Pakistan with the SEALS and
was the first man up the stairs?

I think you suffer from the intellectual equivalent of ED.

[Sam]

On 11/3/2013 11:15 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:

>>
>> He killed OBL .
>
> Prove it.
>

prove he didn't .. hahahaha

[Sam]

On 11/3/2013 11:17 AM, Guy Fawkes wrote:

>>
>> Scahill, who also made a "Dirty Wars" documentary, told NBC News that
>> Obama will "go down in history as the president who legitimized and
>> systematized a process by which the United States asserts the right to
>> conduct assassination operations around the world."
>>
>
>

> That is kinda sick. I can't remeber any normal president saying something
> lik that.
>
> He is a sick, sick man.
>

You fucking hypocrites . When girly men like Busch Lite murders
woman and children by the millions using carpet bombing while
playing golf with OBL inlaws you call them strong yet when a Black
Muslim from Kenya does it better you call it sick.

http://mbworld.org/forums/attachments/political-discussions/246044d1351100097-presidents-apology-tour-you-decide-bush_prince_abdullah_kiss_hold_hands.jpg

Real Americans know Busch Lite enjoyed tonguing
a Saudi muslin.


hahahaha

[rbowman]

Sam wrote:

> He killed OBL ... where as a red-neck , dry drunk moron from Texas
> played golf all the time .. so he has a point and proof.

Extralegal assassination inside a sovereign nation? It's a bitch when what
goes around comes around. So when Ahab the Arab issues a fatwah against US
residents, that only fair, right?

btw, he didn't kill anything; a SEAL team did.

[HealthCare News]

Some people measure a society�s condition by the lifestyles of the rich
and famous � and those people are usually the rich and famous. For the
rest of humanity, a society�s success is measured by the living
conditions of the poorest. And who exactly the �poorest� are.

More hypocrites .

https://aattp.org/iraq-veteran-food-stamps-writes-letter-caring-conservatives/

[BeamMeUpScotty]

On 11/3/2013 12:06 PM, Sam wrote:
> On 11/3/2013 10:18 AM, Ray Keller wrote:
>
>>
>> AP -- This will not go over well for the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize winner.
>>
>> According to the new book "Double Down," in which journalists Mark
>> Halperin
>> and John Heilemann chronicle the 2012 presidential election, President
>> Barack
>> Obama told his aides that he's "really good at killing people" while
>> discussing drone strikes.
>>
>
> He killed OBL ...

Obama "says" he killed Bin Laden....


But Obama also "said" you could keep your insurance if you liked it and
that you could keep your doctor and that Health insurance would cost
less.


Obama lies all the time.

[BeamMeUpScotty]

News papers say Obama was playing cards.... did he deal Bin Laden aces
over eights, the dead man's hand?

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

You made the claim . Prove it.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:02:09 -0600, Sam <S...@nomail.com> wrote:

>On 11/3/2013 11:17 AM, Guy Fawkes wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Scahill, who also made a "Dirty Wars" documentary, told NBC News that
>>> Obama will "go down in history as the president who legitimized and
>>> systematized a process by which the United States asserts the right to
>>> conduct assassination operations around the world."
>>>
>>
>>
>> That is kinda sick. I can't remeber any normal president saying something
>> lik that.
>>
>> He is a sick, sick man.
>>
>
>
>You fucking hypocrites . When girly men like Busch Lite murders
>woman and children by the millions using carpet bombing while
>playing golf with OBL inlaws you call them strong yet when a Black
>Muslim from Kenya does it better you call it sick.

But when Obama does it, suddenly it's not so bad.

Irony meters all over the world just melted.

[Guy Fawkes]

Sam <S...@nomail.com> wrote in news:l5633v$eto$1...@dont-email.me:

>
> You fucking hypocrites . When girly men like Busch Lite murders
> woman and children by the millions using carpet bombing while
> playing golf with OBL inlaws you call them strong yet when a Black
> Muslim from Kenya does it better you call it sick.

How stupid are you anywya?

Who did Bush "carpet bomb"?And when?

Do you even know what carpet bombing is?

You do realize with the precision weapons available today, that carpet
bombing is unneccesary? And that there were no targets in Iraq (which is
what I suppose you are babbling about) to carpet bomb? Nor is there any
evidence that it happened. Because if we had unleashed B-52s on
annihilation raids of the sort you are wet dreaming about there would be no
cities left in Iraq.

So basically anything that follows out of your syphillis rotted brain is
not only wrong, it's a lie.

[Guy Fawkes]

HealthCare News <po...@loo.com> wrote in news:l5639b$eto$2...@dont-email.me:

> More hypocrites .
>

The only hypocrites I know today are the scumbag socialists who haven't
enrolled in Obamacare yet.

[Guy Fawkes]

HealthCare News <po...@loo.com> wrote in news:l5639b$eto$2...@dont-email.me:

>

> Some people measure a society�s condition by the lifestyles of the rich
> and famous � and those people are usually the rich and famous. For the
> rest of humanity, a society�s success is measured by the living
> conditions of the poorest. And who exactly the �poorest� are.

>
> More hypocrites .
>
> https://aattp.org/iraq-veteran-food-stamps-writes-letter-caring-conservat
> ives/
>
>

And what does this have to with Obama sportin' wood over killing people?

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:02:09 -0600, Sam <S...@nomail.com> wrote:

>You fucking hypocrites . When girly men like Busch Lite murders
>woman and children by the millions using carpet bombing

Carpet bombing? On which planet did this happen? Be specific. Use
all the white space you need.

And some clarification on the millions of dead as well.

You know...like this...

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/

Laugh laugh laugh...Sammy boi is just another far leftwing mental case
living and spewing from some library or YMCA somewhere, now that cool
weather is setting in and he cant live in an OWS encampment somewhere.


--
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that "special" is a polite euphemism for;
*window licker on the short bus*"

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It's good to be king, if just for awhile.

[Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names]

On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 09:18:09 -0700, "Ray Keller"
<Left...@desperate.com> wrote:

>
>http://finance.yahoo.com/news/last-president-obama-reportedly-told-024401509.html
>
>
>Obama Told Aides He's 'Really Good At Killing People'

I hope so. Sometimes POTUS has to give the order to pull the trigger.

[RD Sandman]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ejid79lpdmv93b8f4...@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:02:09 -0600, Sam <S...@nomail.com> wrote:
>
>>You fucking hypocrites . When girly men like Busch Lite murders
>>woman and children by the millions using carpet bombing
>
> Carpet bombing? On which planet did this happen? Be specific. Use
> all the white space you need.

Well, there was some done in WWII. Like the fire bombing on Tokyo and
Yokohama. I don't think Bush was president then. I believe it was FDR and
Truman. ;)




--
Sleep well tonight.......

RD (The Sandman}

One bullet in the possession of a criminal is too many.....
Ten bullets in the possession of a mother trying to protect
her children....may not be enough.

[jim]

Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:02:09 -0600, Sam <S...@nomail.com> wrote:
>
> >You fucking hypocrites . When girly men like Busch Lite murders
> >woman and children by the millions using carpet bombing
>
> Carpet bombing? On which planet did this happen?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/1361174/B52-carpet-bombing-can-oust-Taliban.html
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/nov/01/afghanistan.terrorism6
http://www.rense.com/general17/UScarpetbombing.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=80437

[Guy Fawkes]

RD Sandman <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote in
news:XnsA26D97DE0...@216.196.121.131:

> Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:ejid79lpdmv93b8f4...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:02:09 -0600, Sam <S...@nomail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>You fucking hypocrites . When girly men like Busch Lite murders
>>>woman and children by the millions using carpet bombing
>>
>> Carpet bombing? On which planet did this happen? Be specific. Use
>> all the white space you need.
>
> Well, there was some done in WWII. Like the fire bombing on Tokyo and
> Yokohama. I don't think Bush was president then. I believe it was FDR
and
> Truman. ;)
>
>
>
>

Well the real pioneer was RAF Bomber Command. Unfortunately I am of the
opinion that Harris was quite wrong in his approach. A more targeted
campaign, better coordianted with the USAAF would have been more effective.

In Japan it worked well, but for reasons specific to Japanese cities and
Japanese methods of production.

[Guy Fawkes]

jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m...@mwt.net> wrote in
news:js-dneuREd3rdevP...@bright.net:

All that proves is that the people writing those articles don't understand
the concept. The strikes in Afhganistan may have been devastating but in no
way resemble the mass raids of the RAF against German cities and the USAAF
against Japanese cities.

[pyotr filipivich]

Sam <S...@nomail.com> on Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:02:09 -0600 typed in
misc.survivalism the following:

>You fucking hypocrites . When girly men like Busch Lite murders
>woman and children by the millions using carpet bombing while
>playing golf with OBL inlaws you call them strong yet when a Black
>Muslim from Kenya does it better you call it sick.
>
>http://mbworld.org/forums/attachments/political-discussions/246044d1351100097-presidents-apology-tour-you-decide-bush_prince_abdullah_kiss_hold_hands.jpg
>
>Real Americans know Busch Lite enjoyed tonguing
>a Saudi muslin.
>
>hahahaha

Wow, that is some acid you got.

I mean, yo obviously went so far into the fields of poppies
(poppies! Poppies! Poppies!) that even the Wizard couldn't find you
with a Geiger counter or blood hounds.

Man, you are really not pulling in too many stations on the old
antennae. You might want to try something else when you log back into
Obama care.gov
--
pyotr filipivich.
"I wish you wouldn't use the mind control device - I get
these terrible migranes until it's finished." Jonathon

[pyotr filipivich]

RD Sandman <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> on Sun, 03 Nov 2013 16:55:44

-0600 typed in misc.survivalism the following:

>Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:ejid79lpdmv93b8f4...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:02:09 -0600, Sam <S...@nomail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>You fucking hypocrites . When girly men like Busch Lite murders
>>>woman and children by the millions using carpet bombing
>>
>> Carpet bombing? On which planet did this happen? Be specific. Use
>> all the white space you need.
>
>Well, there was some done in WWII. Like the fire bombing on Tokyo and
>Yokohama. I don't think Bush was president then. I believe it was FDR and
>Truman. ;)

Wrong kind of "carpet bombing". Sam the sham had a flashback of
the Anhuser-Busch Brewing Company dropping large numbers of carpets on
the Pepperland - err - Afghanistan.

He really needs ... something. And to sign up for ObamaCare.
STAT.


--
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.

[David J. Hughes]

On 11/3/2013 4:55 PM, RD Sandman wrote:
> Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:ejid79lpdmv93b8f4...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:02:09 -0600, Sam <S...@nomail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You fucking hypocrites . When girly men like Busch Lite murders
>>> woman and children by the millions using carpet bombing
>>
>> Carpet bombing? On which planet did this happen? Be specific. Use
>> all the white space you need.
>
> Well, there was some done in WWII. Like the fire bombing on Tokyo and
> Yokohama. I don't think Bush was president then. I believe it was FDR and
> Truman. ;)
>
>
>
>

Johnson in Vietnam
See Operation Arc Light

[rbowman]

Guy Fawkes wrote:

> Well the real pioneer was RAF Bomber Command. Unfortunately I am of the
> opinion that Harris was quite wrong in his approach. A more targeted
> campaign, better coordianted with the USAAF would have been more
> effective.
>

Bomber Harris was just your common garden variety Brit war criminal. If
there is a hell, maybe he'll get a taste of what he wrought.

[Gunner Asch]

I was thinking Sammi was nothing more than scummy Leftwing troll..but
reading his spew has made it clear that the boi is
really...really...really mentally ill. Bug fucking nutz. A wack job.
Fugazzi. Utterly blown his head gasket and all the vacuum has bled
off.

Gunner

--
"Their mommies tell them they're special, Liberals just don't understand
that "special" is a polite euphemism for;
*window licker on the short bus*"

[Guy Fawkes]

"David J. Hughes" <davidjh...@netzero.com> wrote in news:yLEdu.126852
$5W.6...@fx11.iad:

Those were tactical missions. Did we ever bomb Hanoi like say Dresden or
Tokyo?

[Tom Gardner]

On 11/3/2013 12:06 PM, Sam wrote:
> On 11/3/2013 10:18 AM, Ray Keller wrote:
>
>>
>> AP -- This will not go over well for the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize winner.
>>
>> According to the new book "Double Down," in which journalists Mark
>> Halperin
>> and John Heilemann chronicle the 2012 presidential election, President
>> Barack
>> Obama told his aides that he's "really good at killing people" while
>> discussing drone strikes.
>>
>

> He killed OBL ... where as a red-neck , dry drunk moron from Texas
> played golf all the time .. so he has a point and proof.
>
>

And all this time I thought it was Seal Team Six with intel from a
Doctor that Obammy burned to the Packies. Silly me!

[Guy Fawkes]

rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote in news:bdojtrFhsm1U1
@mid.individual.net:

I cannot disagree. He was insubordinate to the Commander of the Air Force
and even to Churchill. He should have been sacked.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Guy Fawkes" <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in message
news:XnsA26E5E2E8C602We...@78.46.70.116...

In his feeble defense British night bombing accuracy was so poor that
they had no alternative, other than allowing the Americans all the
credit. It was bad enough that we were accomplishing a task they had
declared impossible.

Sometimes luck, good weather and their efforts with radio guide beams
and ground radar gave them results comparable to our daylight
accuracy, but even as late as March 1944 they could miss a major city
by 60 miles.
http://samilitaryhistory.org/vol043lf.html
"...and 48 crews took back clear bombing photographs - of
Schweinfurt!" (56 miles away)
"Thirteen other bombers released their loads when they realized they
were lost; these fell on unspecified targets, including Bamberg, 30
miles north of Nuremberg, and a small town 60 miles north."

-jsw

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Sun, 03 Nov 2013 20:11:24 -0800

typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 19:37:52 -0800, pyotr filipivich
><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>Sam <S...@nomail.com> on Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:02:09 -0600 typed in
>>misc.survivalism the following:
>>>You fucking hypocrites . When girly men like Busch Lite murders
>>>woman and children by the millions using carpet bombing while
>>>playing golf with OBL inlaws you call them strong yet when a Black
>>>Muslim from Kenya does it better you call it sick.
>>>
>>>http://mbworld.org/forums/attachments/political-discussions/246044d1351100097-presidents-apology-tour-you-decide-bush_prince_abdullah_kiss_hold_hands.jpg
>>>
>>>Real Americans know Busch Lite enjoyed tonguing
>>>a Saudi muslin.
>>>
>>>hahahaha
>>
>> Wow, that is some acid you got.
>>
>> I mean, yo obviously went so far into the fields of poppies
>>(poppies! Poppies! Poppies!) that even the Wizard couldn't find you
>>with a Geiger counter or blood hounds.
>>
>> Man, you are really not pulling in too many stations on the old
>>antennae. You might want to try something else when you log back into
>>Obama care.gov
>

>I was thinking Sammi was nothing more than scummy Leftwing troll..but
>reading his spew has made it clear that the boi is
>really...really...really mentally ill. Bug fucking nutz. A wack job.
>Fugazzi. Utterly blown his head gasket and all the vacuum has bled
>off.

Too much LDS in the sixties.

Went for a ride on the Yellow Submarine and failed to resurface.

etc., etc, und so weiter.

pyotr

[RD Sandman]

Guy Fawkes <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in

news:XnsA26DE37074988We...@78.46.70.116:

Actually paper houses.

[RD Sandman]

pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:d14e79tv8ib3guiqf...@4ax.com:

> RD Sandman <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> on Sun, 03 Nov 2013 16:55:44
> -0600 typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>>Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:ejid79lpdmv93b8f4...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 12:02:09 -0600, Sam <S...@nomail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>You fucking hypocrites . When girly men like Busch Lite murders
>>>>woman and children by the millions using carpet bombing
>>>
>>> Carpet bombing? On which planet did this happen? Be specific. Use
>>> all the white space you need.
>>
>>Well, there was some done in WWII. Like the fire bombing on Tokyo and
>>Yokohama. I don't think Bush was president then. I believe it was FDR
>>and Truman. ;)
>
> Wrong kind of "carpet bombing". Sam the sham had a flashback of
> the Anhuser-Busch Brewing Company dropping large numbers of carpets on
> the Pepperland - err - Afghanistan.
>
> He really needs ... something. And to sign up for ObamaCare.
> STAT.
>
>

[Jim Wilkins]

"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote in message
news:XnsA26E5F8C6...@216.196.121.131...

>> In Japan it worked well, but for reasons specific to Japanese
>> cities
>> and Japanese methods of production.
>>
>
> Actually paper houses.
>

> RD (The Sandman}

There is a photo that I haven't found online showing a forest of drill
presses standing in the remains of a burned-out residential area. It
was used to justify area bombing to destroy the dispersed war
production there.

-Curtis LeMay

[RD Sandman]

"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in news:l58oj2$vjs$1@dont-
email.me:

Curtis LeMay was looking for a photo online in 1945? The internet was a
tad young then....Al Gore hadn't invented it.

[Jim Wilkins]

"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote in message

news:XnsA26E6AFC0...@216.196.121.131...

> "Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:l58oj2$vjs$1@dont-
> email.me:
>
>> "RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:XnsA26E5F8C6...@216.196.121.131...
>>>> In Japan it worked well, but for reasons specific to Japanese
>>>> cities
>>>> and Japanese methods of production.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Actually paper houses.
>>>
>>> RD (The Sandman}
>>
>> There is a photo that I haven't found online showing a forest of
>> drill
>> presses standing in the remains of a burned-out residential area.
>> It
>> was used to justify area bombing to destroy the dispersed war
>> production there.
>>
>> -Curtis LeMay
>
> Curtis LeMay was looking for a photo online in 1945? The internet
> was a
> tad young then....Al Gore hadn't invented it.

I was online in the early 70's, on an experimental microwave-linked
Army Teletype and computer network that I maintained. We chatted to
simulate normal traffic during field exercises. Teletypes have been
networked via Telex since the 1920's and the AP Wirephoto distribution
service began in 1935. The Internet (etc) automates a much older set
of communications technologies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_103_modem

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Store_and_forward
"A human operator at the center removed the message tape from the
receiving machine, read the addressing information, and then sent it
toward its destination on appropriate outbound point-to-point
teleprinter link."

And that's what an Internet Hub does automatically.

Intelligence agencies have been reading those messages since WW1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram
"The disinformation about the 'three routes' was spread by Reginald
'Blinker' Hall, the then head of Room 40, to try to shield from the
USA the fact that Room 40 was intercepting its cable traffic."

jsw

[RD Sandman]

"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in news:l58ssr$s96$1@dont-

Yep, I worked on much the same system in the late 60's, IIRC...ARPANET.
It wasn't a system for storing photos. I was also on bulletin boards in
the days of 300 baud. You could read the data that was coming in faster
than it could print.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Store_and_forward
> "A human operator at the center removed the message tape from the
> receiving machine, read the addressing information, and then sent it
> toward its destination on appropriate outbound point-to-point
> teleprinter link."
>
> And that's what an Internet Hub does automatically.
>
> Intelligence agencies have been reading those messages since WW1.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram
> "The disinformation about the 'three routes' was spread by Reginald
> 'Blinker' Hall, the then head of Room 40, to try to shield from the
> USA the fact that Room 40 was intercepting its cable traffic."

One of my customers was US Army StratCom. Ever wonder why some folks
thought Mosaic was such a wonderful thing? ;)

[Jim Wilkins]

"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote in message

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> "Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in
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>>

>> I was online in the early 70's, on an experimental microwave-linked

>> Army Teletype and computer network that I maintained. ...

>
> Yep, I worked on much the same system in the late 60's,
> IIRC...ARPANET.
> It wasn't a system for storing photos. I was also on bulletin
> boards in
> the days of 300 baud. You could read the data that was coming in
> faster
> than it could print.

My mother ran a Teletype-based interlibrary loan system. She could
respond to user queries with huge amounts of text and pictures, by
mail. When the Internet became popular she complained that she could
never understand this newfangled Google stuff, though she had actually
been doing almost the same thing for years.

> One of my customers was US Army StratCom. Ever wonder why some
> folks
> thought Mosaic was such a wonderful thing? ;)
>

> RD (The Sandman}

I didn't get back into communications until 1991, with Netscape on a
Mac, as je...@mitre.org.

-jsw

[RD Sandman]

"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in news:l596ss$rtb$1@dont-
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Some history really gets interesting, doesn't it. ;)

[Jim Wilkins]

"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]comcast.net> wrote in message

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> Some history really gets interesting, doesn't it. ;)

I really wanted to contribute to a significant program, but so far
they have either all folded or are on hold until ???
jsw

[RD Sandman]

"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in news:l59864$37i$1@dont-
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No problem.....new ones will keep popping up.

[rbowman]

Guy Fawkes wrote:

> Those were tactical missions. Did we ever bomb Hanoi like say Dresden or
> Tokyo?

No, the US saved that for Cambodia. Approximately 4,000 tons of explosives
were dropped on Dresden. The Operation Menu program approved by Nixon and
Kissinger, a matched pair of slimeballs if there ever was one, dumped over
100,000 tons on Cambodia. A little side effect was destabilizing the
country, allowing Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge to take over.

At least the US was on the winning side in WWII.

[Guy Fawkes]

"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in news:l58d41$jmo$1@dont-
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It's worse than that. By mid 1944 they were actually able to hit targets
with some regularity. The Americans wanted to concentrate on oil and rail,
which frankly was working. Speer had become very dispirited. Despite
agreements between the US and the Brits, Harris turned away from the
"panacea targets" and continued bombing cities long after it was useful and
despite the successes when they worked in tandem with US day bombing.

I can hardly believe he wasn't sacked given his attitude and refusal to
follow on already agreed upon strategies. I think it was one area where
Churchill showed poor judgement.

[Guy Fawkes]

HealthCare News <po...@loo.com> wrote in news:l5639b$eto$2...@dont-email.me:

> Some people measure a society's condition by the lifestyles of the rich
> and famous - and those people are usually the rich and famous. For the
> rest of humanity, a society's success is measured by the living
> conditions of the poorest. And who exactly the "poorest" are.
>
> More hypocrites .

Some people measure a man for his honesty.

..Keep your doctor..
..Keep your insurance..
..pay less..

Obama is filth.

[rbowman]

Jim Wilkins wrote:

> In his feeble defense British night bombing accuracy was so poor that
> they had no alternative, other than allowing the Americans all the
> credit. It was bad enough that we were accomplishing a task they had
> declared impossible.
>
> Sometimes luck, good weather and their efforts with radio guide beams
> and ground radar gave them results comparable to our daylight
> accuracy, but even as late as March 1944 they could miss a major city
> by 60 miles.

Strange how when the German night bombers were confused by the blackouts and
decoys designed to protect the Coventry war materiel plants and bagged a
cathedral instead of the Rootes plant it was an act of unimaginable
savagery.

Win a war and you get to say 'Oops'.

[rbowman]

Guy Fawkes wrote:

> I can hardly believe he wasn't sacked given his attitude and refusal to
> follow on already agreed upon strategies. I think it was one area where
> Churchill showed poor judgement.

Churchill apparently had a soft spot for Lindemann, who came up with the
innocently named 'dehousing' scheme.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Lindemann,_1st_Viscount_Cherwell

Too bad the Count didn't take one of the non-existent V-2s up the ass.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Guy Fawkes" <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in message

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> "Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in
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> It's worse than that. By mid 1944 they were actually able to hit
> targets
> with some regularity. The Americans wanted to concentrate on oil and
> rail,
> which frankly was working. Speer had become very dispirited. Despite
> agreements between the US and the Brits, Harris turned away from the
> "panacea targets" and continued bombing cities long after it was
> useful and
> despite the successes when they worked in tandem with US day
> bombing.
>
> I can hardly believe he wasn't sacked given his attitude and refusal
> to
> follow on already agreed upon strategies. I think it was one area
> where
> Churchill showed poor judgement.

I don't remember reading about a single instance of the British
admitting their military ideas were wrong after declaring ours were,
which they did constantly, see Bernard Montgomery. Ike was chosen as
Supreme Commander for his diplomatic skills to deal with them, not
because he stood out as a General.

"I'll prove to you my Spitfire can outfly your Mustang, name the time
and place."
"OK, tomorrow at noon, over Prague."

A good example of a choice they've stubbornly defended is their
armored-flight-deck aircraft carriers which they sent to Okinawa,
where they lacked the endurance on station and aircraft complement
size to be of much help. They ribbed us that after a kamikaze strike
they responded with "sweepers, man your brooms" while in practice ours
were faster to patch up at sea, often within hours, while solid hits
to theirs irreparably warped the hull.
http://navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-042.htm

The armored deck and its resulting cramped hangar made sense in
narrower European waters where they could be ambushed by heavy bombers
from land, but in the wide-open Pacific a lighter, roomier flight deck
structure that increased the offensive power by about 50% proved
better. Ours placed the armor below the hangar, protecting the vital
engines instead of the easily replaced aircraft..

This is nothing compared to neonazi boasting. I've spent years (with
British help) debunking claims that they coulda won if only......

jsw

[Jim Wilkins]

"rbowman" <bow...@montana.com> wrote in message
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> Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
> Strange how when the German night bombers were confused by the
> blackouts and
> decoys designed to protect the Coventry war materiel plants and
> bagged a
> cathedral instead of the Rootes plant it was an act of unimaginable
> savagery.
>
> Win a war and you get to say 'Oops'.

I've been posting in rec.aviation.military as long as
rec.crafts.metalworking. Generally the strategic bombing campaigns
were recognized there as an unfortunate necessity in a fight for
national survival. Both Britain and Germany carefully limited
themselves to military targets at the start of the war, and found that
impossible to sustain against modern air defenses. So they did
whatever they could. The V-1 and V-2 were responses to the inadequacy
of German bombers.

This is the flawed theory that defined the development of military
aviation prior to the war:
http://www.iwar.org.uk/military/resources/aspc/text/theory/douhet.htm
http://thelegatus.wordpress.com/2012/10/19/giulio-douhet-and-air-power-theory/
"The bomber will always get through."

Actually US antiaircraft gun crews were reassigned to Infantry because
there weren't any German bombers left to shoot at. Air opposition over
the Normandy invasion amounted to a single pass by a pair of German
fighters.

Britain had the heavy strategic bomber and Japan the long-range escort
fighter, but only the US combined them effectively after several years
of costly experience.

--Billy Mitchell

[Guy Fawkes]

"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in news:l5av7a$7jc$1@dont-
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Having studied the war over many decades there is probably no scenario that
the Gemans could win outside of developing atom bombs and long range
bombers. And even then it's doubtful.

--
Republicans really aren't human beings, so there is no harm, no foul.

Kirby Grant - Nov 3, 2013

Telling us his views of the world.

[rbowman]

Guy Fawkes wrote:

> Having studied the war over many decades there is probably no scenario
> that the Gemans could win outside of developing atom bombs and long range
> bombers. And even then it's doubtful.

The Germans won; it just took a little longer than expected:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/a-distorted-global-economy-us-to-
bully-germany-on-trade-surplus-at-the-g-20-a-727970.html

"In desperation over the grim economic situation, the administration of US
President Barack Obama is embarking on a diplomatic offensive intended to
pillory countries with chronic trade surpluses. This puts China, Japan and
Germany in the line of fire."

Germans work and save, what dastardly deeds. Their success is taking bread
out of the mouths of Spaniards and Greeks that prefer lounging around in the
sun. Worst of all, it makes the Exceptional Country, which has pissed away
its trade surplus in a bipartisan effort to become the world's largest
debtor, look bad.

The Japanese aren't doing bad either, considering all the guidance they had
from the ever wise Americans after the war.

Germany's response to Obama's well meant advice seems to have been LMA.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Guy Fawkes" <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote in message

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>
> Having studied the war over many decades there is probably no
> scenario that
> the Gemans could win outside of developing atom bombs and long range
> bombers. And even then it's doubtful.

They had a long list of Wunderwaffen that would soon save them,
apparently promoted by Goebbels to boost morale and keep them
fighting, originally inspired by the magic charms in German legend.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarnhelm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_264
http://www.luft46.com/
http://www.uboat.net/types/xxi.htm
We were less impressed when we tested them after the war. Despite all
that effort our standard wartime subs had a higher top speed of 21
knots, and handled heavy seas much better. When large waves closed the
Snorchel intake valve the engines quickly evacuated the hull.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Glocke
I posted a fictional proposition that it was a giant X-Ray tube with
radium-doped mercury electrodes, meant to zap bombers flying overhead.
However the scientists knew that X-Rays can't be focused and aimed
with any practical lens and really used it as an excuse to acquire
platinum and silver that they smuggled to Switzerland as the
chlorides, which look like cheese.

I chose not to add Nazi Death-Ray Designer to my resume.