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Cliff

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Jan 9, 2010, 7:22:40 AM1/9/10
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-mishel/jobs-aughts-for-naught_b_416562.html
[
When it comes to jobs, it turns out the aughts were for naught. Too bad we can't
just party like it's 1999.

This morning the Labor Department issued its final monthly jobs report for the
decade just ended. In December 2009, the economy shed 85,000 jobs and the
unemployment rate held at 10.0 percent, but only because 661,000 people left the
labor force.

So this report makes it official: The last decade was indeed a lost decade for
job creation. We're beginning 2010 with just about 131 million jobs, only
129,000 more than at the beginning of the decade. This is despite the fact that
the U.S. population has grown by roughly 25 million people since 2000.

As the Washington Post recently reported, the aughts' net zero job growth puts
the decade in its own inauspicious category. In each of the six preceding
decades, from the 1940's forward, job growth was 20 percent or higher.

It's important to note how we got here. Right-wing economic policies -- and
remember that the right wing was in charge for eight of the past 10 years --
emphasized that government was the problem and the market always knew best.

Regulators sat on the sidelines while Wall Street gambled with Main Street's
money, inflated an enormous housing bubble and marketed dangerous mortgages. The
bubble popped with catastrophic consequences for millions of workers who had, in
fact, played by the rules.

The Bush administration passed recklessly irresponsible tax cuts that further
enriched the wealthy and handicapped our ability to make investments for a
stronger economy -- investments in infrastructure, innovation, and education,
which would have yielded dividends for all Americans for generations to come.
The results were not only poor job growth but also the only business cycle where
the typical working family had less income at the end than at the beginning --
as if recovery never happened.

Rather than attempt to reinvigorate American manufacturing, the right wing
pushed for unfair trade deals that lacked protections for workers, forcing
Americans to compete for their jobs with workers in countries that lack even
basic labor standards.

Conservatives talk about the dignity of work; when they call for gutting the
social safety net and workplace safety rules, they do it in the name of
empowering more people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and achieve
economic independence. Yet right-wing economic policies gave us the worst decade
for jobs since the 1930's.

The point here is not only to affix well-deserved blame. The more important
point is to make sure we don't repeat the mistakes of the past. Yet the right
wing, having overseen a disastrous decade for America's middle class, simply
wants to double down on the failed policies that got us here.

Insanity, as Einstein put it, is doing the same thing over and over again and
expecting different results. Viewed that way, the "job creation" proposals
floated by House Republicans are truly insane. More deregulation. More unfair
trade agreements. More tax cuts for rich people. That's why their respectful
rhetoric about the value of work is plainly just talk.
....
]

HH&C

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Jan 9, 2010, 1:15:27 PM1/9/10
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On Jan 9, 7:22 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
wrote:
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-mishel/jobs-aughts-for-naught_...

> [
> When it comes to jobs, it turns out the aughts were for naught. Too bad we can't
> just party like it's 1999.
>
> This morning the Labor Department issued its final monthly jobs report for the
> decade just ended. In December 2009, the economy shed 85,000 jobs and the
> unemployment rate held at 10.0 percent, but only because 661,000 people left the
> labor force.
>
> So this report makes it official: The last decade was indeed a lost decade for
> job creation. We're beginning 2010 with just about 131 million jobs, only
> 129,000 more than at the beginning of the decade. This is despite the fact that
> the U.S. population has grown by roughly 25 million people since 2000.
>
> As the Washington Post recently reported, the aughts' net zero job growth puts
> the decade in its own inauspicious category. In each of the six preceding
> decades, from the 1940's forward, job growth was 20 percent or higher.

> It's important to note how we got here. Right-wing economic policies -- and
> remember that the right wing was in charge for eight of the past 10 years --
> emphasized that government was the problem and the market always knew best.

And remember who was in charge when the massive hemmoraging began. Is
there any end in sight?

> Regulators sat on the sidelines while Wall Street gambled with Main Street's
> money, inflated an enormous housing bubble and marketed dangerous mortgages. The
> bubble popped with catastrophic consequences for millions of workers who had, in
> fact, played by the rules.
>
> The Bush administration passed recklessly irresponsible tax cuts that further
> enriched the wealthy and handicapped our ability to make investments for a
> stronger economy -- investments in infrastructure, innovation, and education,
> which would have yielded dividends for all Americans for generations to come.
> The results were not only poor job growth but also the only business cycle where
> the typical working family had less income at the end than at the beginning --
> as if recovery never happened.
>
> Rather than attempt to reinvigorate American manufacturing, the right wing
> pushed for unfair trade deals that lacked protections for workers, forcing
> Americans to compete for their jobs with workers in countries that lack even
> basic labor standards.

We'll see how quickly Obama and the UAW Officials run GM into the
ground.

> Conservatives talk about the dignity of work; when they call for gutting the
> social safety net and workplace safety rules, they do it in the name of
> empowering more people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and achieve
> economic independence. Yet right-wing economic policies gave us the worst decade
> for jobs since the 1930's.

There is a whole bulletin board at work covered with notices and
posters explaining the social safety net and the work place safety
rules.

I haven't noticed any of them coming down.

Is my employer remiss in keeping that bulletin board up to date?

Should I contact some Federal Agency and rat them out?

> The point here is not only to affix well-deserved blame. The more important
> point is to make sure we don't repeat the mistakes of the past.

Exactly. Vote out anyone who voted for the stimulus bill. Better
yet... be safe and vote out everyone.

> Yet the right
> wing, having overseen a disastrous decade for America's middle class, simply
> wants to double down on the failed policies that got us here.

One of the more prosperous periods in American history was a direct
result of Reagan's tax cuts.

> Insanity, as Einstein put it, is doing the same thing over and over again and
> expecting different results. Viewed that way, the "job creation" proposals
> floated by House Republicans are truly insane. More deregulation. More unfair
> trade agreements. More tax cuts for rich people. That's why their respectful
> rhetoric about the value of work is plainly just talk.
> ....
> ]

So do you think that Americans are willing to do the jobs that just
one year ago Americans didn't want to do?

See what one year of Obama is worth? People ready to give up their
dignity.

Cliff

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Jan 11, 2010, 7:18:52 PM1/11/10
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On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:15:27 -0800 (PST), "HH&C" <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Jan 9, 7:22�am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>wrote:
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-mishel/jobs-aughts-for-naught_...
>> [
>> When it comes to jobs, it turns out the aughts were for naught. Too bad we can't
>> just party like it's 1999.
>>
>> This morning the Labor Department issued its final monthly jobs report for the
>> decade just ended. In December 2009, the economy shed 85,000 jobs and the
>> unemployment rate held at 10.0 percent, but only because 661,000 people left the
>> labor force.
>>
>> So this report makes it official: The last decade was indeed a lost decade for
>> job creation. We're beginning 2010 with just about 131 million jobs, only
>> 129,000 more than at the beginning of the decade. This is despite the fact that
>> the U.S. population has grown by roughly 25 million people since 2000.
>>
>> As the Washington Post recently reported, the aughts' net zero job growth puts
>> the decade in its own inauspicious category. In each of the six preceding
>> decades, from the 1940's forward, job growth was 20 percent or higher.
>
>> It's important to note how we got here. Right-wing economic policies -- and
>> remember that the right wing was in charge for eight of the past 10 years --
>> emphasized that government was the problem and the market always knew best.
>
>And remember who was in charge when the massive hemmoraging began.

bushco.

>Is there any end in sight?

The rethugs set it up.

>
>> Regulators sat on the sidelines while Wall Street gambled with Main Street's
>> money, inflated an enormous housing bubble and marketed dangerous mortgages. The
>> bubble popped with catastrophic consequences for millions of workers who had, in
>> fact, played by the rules.
>>
>> The Bush administration passed recklessly irresponsible tax cuts that further
>> enriched the wealthy and handicapped our ability to make investments for a
>> stronger economy -- investments in infrastructure, innovation, and education,
>> which would have yielded dividends for all Americans for generations to come.
>> The results were not only poor job growth but also the only business cycle where
>> the typical working family had less income at the end than at the beginning --
>> as if recovery never happened.
>>
>> Rather than attempt to reinvigorate American manufacturing, the right wing
>> pushed for unfair trade deals that lacked protections for workers, forcing
>> Americans to compete for their jobs with workers in countries that lack even
>> basic labor standards.
>
>We'll see how quickly Obama and the UAW Officials run GM into the
>ground.

So you & the rethugs hope, right?



>> Conservatives talk about the dignity of work; when they call for gutting the
>> social safety net and workplace safety rules, they do it in the name of
>> empowering more people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and achieve
>> economic independence. Yet right-wing economic policies gave us the worst decade
>> for jobs since the 1930's.
>
>There is a whole bulletin board at work covered with notices and
>posters explaining the social safety net and the work place safety
>rules.
>
>I haven't noticed any of them coming down.
>
>Is my employer remiss in keeping that bulletin board up to date?
>
>Should I contact some Federal Agency and rat them out?

What are you gibbering about?
An inability to read?

>> The point here is not only to affix well-deserved blame. The more important
>> point is to make sure we don't repeat the mistakes of the past.
>
>Exactly. Vote out anyone who voted for the stimulus bill. Better
>yet... be safe and vote out everyone.

The rethugs & wingers want a do-over so as to do it all again.

>> Yet the right
>> wing, having overseen a disastrous decade for America's middle class, simply
>> wants to double down on the failed policies that got us here.
>
>One of the more prosperous periods in American history was a direct
>result of Reagan's tax cuts.

Ronnie Raygun raised taxes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/08/opinion/the-great-taxer.html?pagewanted=1
"The first Reagan tax increase came in 1982. By then it was clear that the
budget projections used to justify the 1981 tax cut were wildly optimistic."
"the economy grew slightly faster under President Clinton,"
"Mr. Reagan's second tax increase was also motivated by a sense of
responsibility -- or at least that's the way it seemed at the time."
"For many middle- and low-income families, this tax increase more than undid
any gains from Mr. Reagan's income tax cuts. "

>> Insanity, as Einstein put it, is doing the same thing over and over again and
>> expecting different results. Viewed that way, the "job creation" proposals
>> floated by House Republicans are truly insane. More deregulation. More unfair
>> trade agreements. More tax cuts for rich people. That's why their respectful
>> rhetoric about the value of work is plainly just talk.
>> ....
>> ]
>
>So do you think that Americans are willing to do the jobs that just
>one year ago Americans didn't want to do?
>
>See what one year of Obama is worth? People ready to give up their
>dignity.

Wingers have none. They lie.
--
Cliff

Curly Surmudgeon

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Jan 12, 2010, 2:30:29 PM1/12/10
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On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:18:52 -0500, Cliff
<Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:

>>We'll see how quickly Obama and the UAW Officials run GM into the
>>ground.
>
> So you & the rethugs hope, right?

This is what puzzles me. Being opposed to a federal policy is just fine,
I'm opposed to many if not most. But gleefully working to submarine
attempts to repair the damage done by their tribe is something I cannot
fathom.

Perhaps it is the monomania exhibited by zealots in general. They lose
sight of the greater picture. If America's economy fails our nation
collapses. Finding glee in that scenario marks the thinking of a
crazymotherfucker not a rational human being.

--
Curly
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Whose God Do You Kill For?
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Cliff

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Jan 12, 2010, 4:21:03 PM1/12/10
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On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:30:29 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
<CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:18:52 -0500, Cliff
><Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>>>We'll see how quickly Obama and the UAW Officials run GM into the
>>>ground.
>>
>> So you & the rethugs hope, right?
>
>This is what puzzles me. Being opposed to a federal policy is just fine,
>I'm opposed to many if not most. But gleefully working to submarine
>attempts to repair the damage done by their tribe is something I cannot
>fathom.

They had very little chance of winning the election & they knew it.
Perhaps it was intentional sabotage.

I put nothing so low past wingers.

>Perhaps it is the monomania exhibited by zealots in general. They lose
>sight of the greater picture. If America's economy fails our nation
>collapses. Finding glee in that scenario marks the thinking of a
>crazymotherfucker not a rational human being.

Winger's Disease. Rush has it, among many others.
--
Cliff

Hawke

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Jan 15, 2010, 6:13:48 PM1/15/10
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Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:18:52 -0500, Cliff
> <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>
>>> We'll see how quickly Obama and the UAW Officials run GM into the
>>> ground.
>> So you & the rethugs hope, right?
>
> This is what puzzles me. Being opposed to a federal policy is just fine,
> I'm opposed to many if not most. But gleefully working to submarine
> attempts to repair the damage done by their tribe is something I cannot
> fathom.
>
> Perhaps it is the monomania exhibited by zealots in general. They lose
> sight of the greater picture. If America's economy fails our nation
> collapses. Finding glee in that scenario marks the thinking of a
> crazymotherfucker not a rational human being.
>


No, it's rational. You just have to understand their motivation. They
are capitalists in the true sense. They are out to capitalize every
chance they get. The are interested in their own personal aggrandizement
and they are completely ruthless in how they do it. They want back in
power. Any way they can get it. If other people suffer that is too bad.
What matters is that they get what they want. Right now the right
wingers want more than anything to get the Democrats out of the majority
and take their jobs for themselves, their family, and their friends.
Nothing else really matters. They are the same as the traders who sold
blankets infected with smallpox to the native Americans. They didn't
care what happened to the Indians who got those blankets. All they cared
about was the money they made from the sale. The republicans are those
traders. That is why they do what they do. For personal gain and the
hell with anyone else. That makes perfect sense. As long as you have no
morals or ethics; and isn't that a what a typical republican is like?


Hawke

Alfred Pennyworth

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Jan 15, 2010, 9:16:07 PM1/15/10
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"Hawke" <davesm...@digitalpath.net> wrote in message
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> Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:18:52 -0500, Cliff
>> <Clhuprich...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>>
>>>> We'll see how quickly Obama and the UAW Officials run GM into the
>>>> ground.
>>> So you & the rethugs hope, right?
>>
>> This is what puzzles me. Being opposed to a federal policy is just fine,
>> I'm opposed to many if not most. But gleefully working to submarine
>> attempts to repair the damage done by their tribe is something I cannot
>> fathom.
>>
>> Perhaps it is the monomania exhibited by zealots in general. They lose
>> sight of the greater picture. If America's economy fails our nation
>> collapses. Finding glee in that scenario marks the thinking of a
>> crazymotherfucker not a rational human being.
>>
>
>
> No, it's rational.

snip b.s.

> Hawke

All three of you are full of shit. The Republicans aren't in power nor do
they influence anything the democrats do. If Obama was capable of
"repairing" anything, he would have been able to do so with or without the
blessing of Republicans. Blaming Republicans for the Obama's own failures
may be convenient, but nobody believes that crap, not even the democrats.

What they do believe is that Curly's crazymother will crazyfuck anyone
though, regardless of their party affiliation. There is one truth to what
Curly says, if America's economy does fail, Argentina's collapse will indeed
soon follow.

HH&C

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Jan 16, 2010, 8:35:16 PM1/16/10
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On Jan 12, 2:30 pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:18:52 -0500, Cliff
>
> <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
> >>We'll see how quickly Obama and the UAW Officials run GM into the
> >>ground.
>
> >   So you & the rethugs hope, right?
>
> This is what puzzles me.  Being opposed to a federal policy is just fine,
> I'm opposed to many if not most.  But gleefully working to submarine
> attempts to repair the damage done by their tribe is something I cannot
> fathom.

Dear puzzled, it is up to Obama and the UAW to re-make GMC into a
success. Their success or demize has nothing to do with me. GMC lost
my vote of confidence with their shitty paint job on trucks back in
the early 90's.

> Perhaps it is the monomania exhibited by zealots in general.  They lose
> sight of the greater picture.  If America's economy fails our nation
> collapses.  Finding glee in that scenario marks the thinking of a
> crazymotherfucker not a rational human being.

Show me the glee, asshole.

> --
> Curly
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­---


>                         Whose God Do You Kill For?

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­---

robert bowman

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Jan 16, 2010, 9:39:05 PM1/16/10
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HH&C wrote:

> Dear puzzled, it is up to Obama and the UAW to re-make GMC into a
> success.  Their success or demize has nothing to do with me.  GMC lost
> my vote of confidence with their shitty paint job on trucks back in
> the early 90's.

They lost mine when they first started experimenting with HVLP and water
based paint in the '80s. The magical rotating rear main seal on the V6
finished the job. That was great -- every so often the gaps would line up
and it would spew oil all over the exhaust. I loved arriving in a big cloud
of smoke with the Firebird. Very dramatic. Then the seal would rotate a
little more, and it would be all good for a while.

Cliff

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Jan 18, 2010, 1:41:32 PM1/18/10
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On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:35:16 -0800 (PST), "HH&C"
<hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Jan 12, 2:30�pm, Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudg...@live.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:18:52 -0500, Cliff
>>
>> <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
>> >>We'll see how quickly Obama and the UAW Officials run GM into the
>> >>ground.
>>
>> > � So you & the rethugs hope, right?
>>
>> This is what puzzles me. �Being opposed to a federal policy is just fine,
>> I'm opposed to many if not most. �But gleefully working to submarine
>> attempts to repair the damage done by their tribe is something I cannot
>> fathom.
>
>Dear puzzled, it is up to Obama and the UAW to re-make GMC into a
>success. Their success or demize has nothing to do with me. GMC lost
>my vote of confidence with their shitty paint job on trucks back in
>the early 90's.
>
>> Perhaps it is the monomania exhibited by zealots in general. �They lose
>> sight of the greater picture. �If America's economy fails our nation
>> collapses. �Finding glee in that scenario marks the thinking of a
>> crazymotherfucker not a rational human being.
>
>Show me the glee, asshole.

"By their works shall thee know them"

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