Enamelled Pewter ???
Andrew Jeavons
knew (and this could be wrong) Pewter is mostly Tin which melts at
about 300 Deg C. Given this it must be very low melting point enamel
to enable it to be fused to Pewter ! I know you can enamel Bronze, but
that is mostly Copper which melts at around a 1000 C.
Sounds suspect to me..???
andrew
Copper Squirrel
(Andrew Jeavons) tossed this on my anvil:
I wonder if they are thinking of an enamel-like finish. I have
several pewter pieces that have that sort of thing on them. Very nice
to look at and unless you touch it, indistinguishable from enamel.
Its an acrylic product and no I don't know where to get it. The only
pewtersmith I know that used it stopped years ago because of toxic
side effects.
I would think that pewter might lend itself to an inlay of stones
or colored glass that would give a cloisonne` effect.
@@@@@
@@@@@@@@@
@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Copper Squirrel in his virtual tree
@@@@@@@@@@@@@ copper_...@yahoo.com
@@@@@@@@@@@@@ C M
@@@@@@@@@@@@@
@@@@@@@@@ Art is a lie which tells you a truth.
|^^^| Picasso
|^^^|
|^^^|
Peter W. Rowe
>>>Someone is telling me it is possible to enamel Pewter. Now so far as I
>>>knew (and this could be wrong) Pewter is mostly Tin which melts at
>>>about 300 Deg C. Given this it must be very low melting point enamel
>>>to enable it to be fused to Pewter ! I know you can enamel Bronze, but
>>>that is mostly Copper which melts at around a 1000 C.
>>>
>>>Sounds suspect to me..???
>>
Normal "hard fired" or vitreous enamels are fused glass, and generally require
temperatures in the 1200 to 1500 F. range. Obviously, this is way past the
melting point of pewter, which is indeed, mostly tin.
However, several product exist which closely imitate the look and even the feel
of vitreous enamls using either epoxy resins or polyester resins. The best
known of these is "ceramit" or "ceramitation", which is a hard polyester resin
after being cured which can sometimes be difficult, on quick inspection, to
distinguish from vitreous enamels. Ceramit/ceramitation requires curing
temperatures of only about 200 F, for normal use, and be cured lower than that
if need be. With this stuff you can get an enamelled look on paper if you
want...
For a less convincing look, of course, you can always use the product that most
of the rest of the world thinks of when the word enamel is used: Paint. Some
of them are quite durable, and a wide range of finishes can be had.
Hope this helps.
Peter Rowe
Andrew Jeavons
wrote:
>However, several product exist which closely imitate the look and even the feel
>of vitreous enamls using either epoxy resins or polyester resins. The best
>known of these is "ceramit" or "ceramitation", which is a hard polyester resin
>after being cured which can sometimes be difficult, on quick inspection, to
>distinguish from vitreous enamels. Ceramit/ceramitation requires curing
Thanks. The question I had was prompted by someone trying to sell me a
piece of art by someone called Archibald Knox who was a
designer/artist at the turn of the century. He worked in silver and
pewter. Now I have pictures of pewter work by him with what appear to
be bezel set enamel on them, but the sellers said this piece was
enameled pewter in the same way as his silver work is sometimes
enameled. Before I started a fight with them I wanted to be absolutely
clear on all this :-).
thanks
andrew
m...@rena.com
Squirrel) wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 09:04:47 GMT, and...@bessy.usa.surveycraft.com
>(Andrew Jeavons) tossed this on my anvil:
>>Someone is telling me it is possible to enamel Pewter. Now so far as I
>>knew (and this could be wrong) Pewter is mostly Tin which melts at
>>about 300 Deg C. Given this it must be very low melting point enamel
>>to enable it to be fused to Pewter ! I know you can enamel Bronze, but
>>that is mostly Copper which melts at around a 1000 C.
>>
>>Sounds suspect to me..???
>
> I wonder if they are thinking of an enamel-like finish. I have
>several pewter pieces that have that sort of thing on them. Very nice
>to look at and unless you touch it, indistinguishable from enamel.
>Its an acrylic product and no I don't know where to get it. The only
>pewtersmith I know that used it stopped years ago because of toxic
>side effects.
>
> I would think that pewter might lend itself to an inlay of stones
>or colored glass that would give a cloisonne` effect.
> @@@@@
> @@@@@@@@@
> @@@@@@@@@@@@@ Copper Squirrel in his virtual tree
> @@@@@@@@@@@@@ copper_...@yahoo.com
> @@@@@@@@@@@@@ C M
> @@@@@@@@@@@@@
> @@@@@@@@@ Art is a lie which tells you a truth.
> |^^^| Picasso
> |^^^|
> |^^^|
>
>
Try RBC Industries
1-800-272-7752
I use thier products on pewter and looks just like enamal.
Give them a call and get a cataloge.
Prices are resonable to.
Mac
Great American Pewter Works
Andrew Werby
and...@bessy.usa.surveycraft.com (Andrew Jeavons) wrote:
The question I had was prompted by someone trying to sell me a
> piece of art by someone called Archibald Knox who was a
> designer/artist at the turn of the century. He worked in silver and
> pewter. Now I have pictures of pewter work by him with what appear to
> be bezel set enamel on them, but the sellers said this piece was
> enameled pewter in the same way as his silver work is sometimes
> enameled. Before I started a fight with them I wanted to be absolutely
> clear on all this :-).
>
> thanks
> andrew
[What it sounds like from your description is that while the vessel itself
may be pewter, the enamel parts were made separately and bezeled in like
gemstones. Thus they could be regular vitreous enamel, on a base of fine
silver. The silver would be able to take the enamelling temperature, and
could be ground and polished before setting.]
Andrew Werby
UNITED ARTWORKS- Sculpture, Jewelry, and other art stuff
http://unitedartworks.com
http://www.computersculpture.com for 3d design tools
Frederick Steingress
Even soldering it with 63/37 tin/lead solder is tricky as the solder flows
at around 375 f. and the pewter starts to sag at around 440f. So I think you
can forget about enameling.
Andrew Jeavons wrote in message <3697f82c...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...