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Marvin "Popcorn" Sutton (1946-2009)
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Guv Bob
Nov 20, 2012, 9:57:10 PM11/20/12
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Part 1 of 11- This Is The Last Dam Run Of Likker I'm Ever Gonna Make
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXkoc5-9a-Y
Uploaded by Darrell Fine on Jan 13, 2011
Join Popcorn Sutton and J.B. as they do what they do best, one last time. This film is unavailable ANYWHERE as it was Mr Sutton's to distribute personally and I felt that it was worth sharing. Film maker NEAL HUTCHESON- 2009 Emmy Award winner- created this outstanding work of art. I own no copyrights to this film. Credit goes to the film maker, Neal Hutcheson, and Popcorn Sutton. R.I.P Mr. Sutton.- You are missed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Sutton
In the 1960s or 70s, Sutton was given the nickname of "Popcorn" Sutton after damaging a bar's faulty popcorn vending machine with a pool cue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXkoc5-9a-Y
Uploaded by Darrell Fine on Jan 13, 2011
Join Popcorn Sutton and J.B. as they do what they do best, one last time. This film is unavailable ANYWHERE as it was Mr Sutton's to distribute personally and I felt that it was worth sharing. Film maker NEAL HUTCHESON- 2009 Emmy Award winner- created this outstanding work of art. I own no copyrights to this film. Credit goes to the film maker, Neal Hutcheson, and Popcorn Sutton. R.I.P Mr. Sutton.- You are missed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Sutton
In the 1960s or 70s, Sutton was given the nickname of "Popcorn" Sutton after damaging a bar's faulty popcorn vending machine with a pool cue.
JLS
Nov 21, 2012, 3:24:50 AM11/21/12
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On Nov 20, 9:57 pm, "Guv Bob" <guvbob2...@yahooooooooooooooo.com>
wrote:
> Part 1 of 11- This Is The Last Dam Run Of Likker I'm Ever Gonna Makehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXkoc5-9a-Y
The trouble with corn whisky, and that included Popcorn's, was that
lead salts from the soldered seams in the copper stills leeched into
the whisky and poisoned the customers who drank it. Lead is a
cumulative poison. The victims didn't die overnight.
wrote:
> Part 1 of 11- This Is The Last Dam Run Of Likker I'm Ever Gonna Makehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXkoc5-9a-Y
lead salts from the soldered seams in the copper stills leeched into
the whisky and poisoned the customers who drank it. Lead is a
cumulative poison. The victims didn't die overnight.
Don Bruder
Nov 21, 2012, 12:23:18 PM11/21/12
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In article
<f9dd055e-e2c8-4d28...@bx4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Back in the day, sure.
These days, finding solder that has lead in it is frequently more
hassle/cost than using the lead-free solder that's rapidly becoming
"standard".
Finding plumbing solder (the most likely type for anyone wanting enough
to build a still) that contains lead is damn near impossible anymore.
You *MIGHT* be able to stumble onto a stash of it if you go digging at
the back of the shelf in some backside-of-beyond hardware store/post
office/gas station/diner combo that hasn't had a new delivery in the
last 20 years or so.
If you're using "electronic" solder to build a still, first off, you're
an idiot, since getting enough of it is going to cost you (compared to
using "plumbing" solder) huge money. And secondly, when you DO get it,
chances are better than even that it's going to be lead-free, although
if you work at it, it's possible to find "old style" with-lead, since
the lead-free crap is a pain in the ass to work with for multiple
reasons.
--
If the door is baroque don't be Hayden. Come around Bach and jiggle the Handel
<f9dd055e-e2c8-4d28...@bx4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
These days, finding solder that has lead in it is frequently more
hassle/cost than using the lead-free solder that's rapidly becoming
"standard".
Finding plumbing solder (the most likely type for anyone wanting enough
to build a still) that contains lead is damn near impossible anymore.
You *MIGHT* be able to stumble onto a stash of it if you go digging at
the back of the shelf in some backside-of-beyond hardware store/post
office/gas station/diner combo that hasn't had a new delivery in the
last 20 years or so.
If you're using "electronic" solder to build a still, first off, you're
an idiot, since getting enough of it is going to cost you (compared to
using "plumbing" solder) huge money. And secondly, when you DO get it,
chances are better than even that it's going to be lead-free, although
if you work at it, it's possible to find "old style" with-lead, since
the lead-free crap is a pain in the ass to work with for multiple
reasons.
--
If the door is baroque don't be Hayden. Come around Bach and jiggle the Handel
Guv Bob
Nov 29, 2012, 6:25:13 PM11/29/12
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"Don Bruder" <fa...@spamdump.invalid> wrote in message news:k8j2jq$2ir$1...@dont-email.me...
JLS (aka Doo Dah the Clown) ain't exactly famous for his technical knowledge, but (and this is a big butt) in this case, he's got a point (besides his haid). Leaded solder is still sold at hardware stores and industrial supply houses, cheaper than lead-free and generally easier to work with.
My guess is that anybody who would build a still for moonshine these days is going to go low dollar and probably will not be concerned about lead poisoning of this customers.
> In article
> <f9dd055e-e2c8-4d28...@bx4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> JLS <jls...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 20, 9:57Â pm, "Guv Bob" <guvbob2...@yahooooooooooooooo.com>
> <f9dd055e-e2c8-4d28...@bx4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> JLS <jls...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
My guess is that anybody who would build a still for moonshine these days is going to go low dollar and probably will not be concerned about lead poisoning of this customers.
Bob F
Nov 29, 2012, 7:37:13 PM11/29/12
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Scott Dorsey
Nov 30, 2012, 4:36:37 PM11/30/12
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Guv Bob <guvbo...@yahooooooooooooooo.com> wrote:
>
>JLS (aka Doo Dah the Clown) ain't exactly famous for his technical =
>knowledge, but (and this is a big butt) in this case, he's got a point =
>(besides his haid). Leaded solder is still sold at hardware stores and =
>industrial supply houses, cheaper than lead-free and generally easier to =
>work with.
It's still available, but it's actually harder to work with in some ways.
The nice thing about the move to lead-free for plumbing in the 1970s is
that it made the lead-free stuff readily available and lots of people got
familiar with it. The lead-free stuff is a little harder to flux but it
melts at higher temperatures which is a big deal for constructing stills.
>My guess is that anybody who would build a still for moonshine these =
>days is going to go low dollar and probably will not be concerned about =
stainless-steel pressure vessel, as used in commercial hot water
heaters. Available at your local junkyard prefitted with threaded
connections and a safety valve. You can cut and weld the stuff with
a cheap mig welder from Harbor Frieight if you want to add a thump barrel
or something.
The home-type glass-lined hot water heaters do not do well as still pressure
vessels because they get differential expansion issues that they don't
normally encounter when used for water heating.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
>
>JLS (aka Doo Dah the Clown) ain't exactly famous for his technical =
>knowledge, but (and this is a big butt) in this case, he's got a point =
>(besides his haid). Leaded solder is still sold at hardware stores and =
>industrial supply houses, cheaper than lead-free and generally easier to =
>work with.
It's still available, but it's actually harder to work with in some ways.
The nice thing about the move to lead-free for plumbing in the 1970s is
that it made the lead-free stuff readily available and lots of people got
familiar with it. The lead-free stuff is a little harder to flux but it
melts at higher temperatures which is a big deal for constructing stills.
>My guess is that anybody who would build a still for moonshine these =
>days is going to go low dollar and probably will not be concerned about =
>lead poisoning of this customers.
Anybody who would build a still for moonshine these days is using a
stainless-steel pressure vessel, as used in commercial hot water
heaters. Available at your local junkyard prefitted with threaded
connections and a safety valve. You can cut and weld the stuff with
a cheap mig welder from Harbor Frieight if you want to add a thump barrel
or something.
The home-type glass-lined hot water heaters do not do well as still pressure
vessels because they get differential expansion issues that they don't
normally encounter when used for water heating.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Guv Bob
Dec 2, 2012, 1:56:53 PM12/2/12
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"RE: Marty Tackitt-Grist" <jls...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:3730ad85-6e0e-435f...@googlegroups.com...
- Compared to copper, stainless steel is a poor conductor of heat. It does not make a good moonshine distillery. The last time I talked to a revenuer he said that to the last one of the stills he had put out of business every one had seams with leaded solder, including Popcorn's.
Some good info about copper from this Portugoose company that makes stills.
http://www.copper-alembic.com/
Some good info about copper from this Portugoose company that makes stills.
http://www.copper-alembic.com/
Scott Dorsey
Dec 2, 2012, 4:17:43 PM12/2/12
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Guv Bob <guvbo...@yahooooooooooooooo.com> wrote:
>> Anybody who would build a still for moonshine these days is using a
>> stainless-steel pressure vessel, as used in commercial hot water
>> heaters. Available at your local junkyard prefitted with threaded=20
>> Anybody who would build a still for moonshine these days is using a
>> stainless-steel pressure vessel, as used in commercial hot water
>> connections and a safety valve. You can cut and weld the stuff with=20
>> a cheap mig welder from Harbor Frieight if you want to add a thump barrel
>> or something.
>
>- Compared to copper, stainless steel is a poor conductor of heat. It =
>> or something.
>
>does not make a good moonshine distillery. The last time I talked to a =
>revenuer he said that to the last one of the stills he had put out of =
>business every one had seams with leaded solder, including Popcorn's.
It's true that it's a poor conductor of heat but in practice this makes
less of an issue than you'd expect, in part because of the sheer thermal
mass of the mash. If you're using electric immersion heating (which I
personally do not recommend especially if you have a mash with pectins
like a fruit brandy), it makes no difference at all. It's not as if you
can heat and cool on a dime anyway.
The _exception_ to that is when you're using reflux condensation in
the pressure vessel deliberately (as mentioned below).
Leaded solder is bad news. Used to be very common, but then again it
also used to be very common for folks to use Model T radiators for the
worm. All that was way before my time and I can't say much about it.
>Some good info about copper from this Portugoose company that makes =
>stills.
>http://www.copper-alembic.com/
Some of this is sheer propaganda, but some of it is true. These guys
don't talk so much about reflux action, either, which is very important
in a still like that (though the shape is a lot less critical in a modern
moonshine still with a "bubbler" or "thump barrel" for external reflux).
The thermal conductivity of the metal affects the optimal shape if you're
building an alembic still because it changes the way reflux condensation
works.
--Scott
Bob F
Dec 2, 2012, 7:08:39 PM12/2/12
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Guv Bob wrote:
> - Compared to copper, stainless steel is a poor conductor of heat.
> It does not make a good moonshine distillery. The last time I talked
> to a revenuer he said that to the last one of the stills he had put
> out of business every one had seams with leaded solder, including
> Popcorn's.
Did they actually test for lead, or is it that obvious that it is lead just from
> - Compared to copper, stainless steel is a poor conductor of heat.
> It does not make a good moonshine distillery. The last time I talked
> to a revenuer he said that to the last one of the stills he had put
> out of business every one had seams with leaded solder, including
> Popcorn's.
appearance?
Guv Bob
Dec 3, 2012, 2:36:20 AM12/3/12
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"Bob F" <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:k9gqia$gqb$1...@dont-email.me...
> That warn't Guv Bob what wrote this.. That war Larry the Goof:
> That warn't Guv Bob what wrote this.. That war Larry the Goof:
Dick Adams
Dec 3, 2012, 2:56:54 PM12/3/12
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Guv Bob <guvbo...@yahooooooooooooooo.com> wrote:
> - Compared to copper, stainless steel is a poor conductor of heat. It does not
> make a good moonshine distillery. The last time I talked to a revenuer he said
> that to the last one of the stills he had put out of business every one had seams
> with leaded solder, including Popcorn's.
Anyone have a URL stating Popcorn's stills used leaded solder
> - Compared to copper, stainless steel is a poor conductor of heat. It does not
> make a good moonshine distillery. The last time I talked to a revenuer he said
> that to the last one of the stills he had put out of business every one had seams
> with leaded solder, including Popcorn's.
> Some good info about copper from this Portugoose company that makes stills.
> http://www.copper-alembic.com/
With shipping that'll close to $7000 USD.
I read about people running 5 & 10 gallons.tills and I question if it's
worth the risk and the effort.
Guv Bob
Dec 3, 2012, 9:51:31 PM12/3/12
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"Dick Adams" <rda...@panix.com> wrote in message news:k9j066$ooh$1...@reader1.panix.com...
Definitely not worth the risk for me to try it. I would just pick up a jar of Junior Johnson's stuff - he claims it's made from his family recipe.
http://www.juniorsmidnightmoon.com/legacy/
A couple of good conversations with Johnson where he talks about getting caught and going to prison...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMhiBriuJ8o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY6bS70g_R8
Johnson, Midnight Moon and Piedmont Distillers on CBS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM-nLBVYUvc
http://www.juniorsmidnightmoon.com/legacy/
A couple of good conversations with Johnson where he talks about getting caught and going to prison...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMhiBriuJ8o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY6bS70g_R8
Johnson, Midnight Moon and Piedmont Distillers on CBS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM-nLBVYUvc
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