How toxic are hops plants to horses, sheep and cows?
the Real Dan
cuttings soon, and I need to find out if they are likely to
poison any of my hayburner landlords.
Post your answer, or reply with email, as you wish.
Thanks for your time.
Dan L
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Pat Lohmann
appear in the spring from well-established hop plants (like asparagus) and only
let a few of the strongest grow. I plan to do that as soon as mine are
"well-established". On the other hand, its been posted to this group a number
of times that boiled hops are poisonous to greyhounds and greyhound crosses.
And I feed mine to the chickens.
Pat Lohmann
Woods Hole MA
CRyanBrown
be used in a quantity of about 5 handfuls of flowers daily as a treatment
for digestive ailments and general debility in horses.
Apparently, gypsies used the flower to condition young horses; however,
unlimited grazing might be harmful because hops has also been used as a
hypnotic and sleep inducer (the plant is related to mariunana). It might
be best to get some help from your extension service and vet before
allowing grazing on this type of pasture.
jo3sh
>"well-established". On the other hand, its been posted to this group a number
>of times that boiled hops are poisonous to greyhounds and greyhound crosses.
>And I feed mine to the chickens.
A clarification, pliz: "Greyhounds and greyhound crosses," and dogs
ONLY of the greyhoundish persuasion, or all dogs? In short, if I plant
a hop cutting, and Jenny, the ferocious lab/husky mix eats it, will my
gorlfriend kill me for killing her dog? Why (if known) would hops be
poisonous to greyhounds but not to other dogs?
Jo3sh
Craig Amundsen
I don't know why. But I can make a good guess as to how. Lets assume for the
sake of my argument that hops really are toxic to greyhounds but not other
dogs. Many breeds of dogs are inbred to an alarming degree. This happens
because when you finally get a dog that has the characteristics that you want,
you breed it to its offspring because they also have that character. If you
keep doing that you end up a lot of dogs that are kissing cousins. In the case
of popular dog breeds like greyhounds you can get dogs that are unrelated to
each other for as many generations back as you care to look. But, they are all
descended from that one dog that had the characters you wanted.
It's time to think about chromosomes. Chromosomes are essentially long strings
of individual genes. Any given gene can come in several different versions
(alleles); blue eyes and brown eyes are determined by different alleles of the
eye color gene. Lets postulate that there is one allele of one gene that lets
a dog run _really_ fast (in real life there's a bunch of them, but I want to
simplify). Our proto-greyhound had this allele. He/She ran like nobody's
business. The owner of the fast dog began breeding dogs that ran fast. Pretty
soon there was a large group of dogs that all had this allele. Now recall that
every gene is next to other genes on its chromosome. When chromosomes get
passed to the next generation, the genes on them tend to get passed together.
If by chance the "how fast do I run?" gene with the "_really_ fast" allele is
next to the "do hops kill me?" gene with the "yup" allele. When we begin
breeding for really fast dogs we also end up with dogs that are susceptible to
being killed by hops due to an unlucky configuration of the dog chromosomes.
Now you're saying, "Yeah Craig, that sounds plausible, but could it actually
happen?" Not only can it, it has. Another variety of inbred dog is the
dalmation. In dalmations, the "do I have spots?" gene with the "yup" allele
just happens to be near the "can I turn uric acid into urea?" gene with
the "nope" allele. This means that unlike every other mammal on the face
of the earth, dalmations excrete uric acid in their urine rather than urea.
Isn't that cool?
$ 1/50
- Craig
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dogs. They tolerate poisons more like cats. Ask a Veterinarian.
Miguel de Salas
>The subject line says it all. I will be planting hop
>cuttings soon, and I need to find out if they are likely to
>poison any of my hayburner landlords.
fields once the desired bines are trained, providing both a means of effective
control of new bines and weeds, as well as plenty of manure.
marca
the cows, and it apparently makes them less flatulent! Can't be toxic, in
that case.
Marc Arseneau
Marc
Marc
mike....@software.rockwell.com
>Some told me the other day that in England, spent hop flowers are fed to
>the cows, and it apparently makes them less flatulent! Can't be toxic, in
>that case.
Yeah, and feeding sheep brains to cows is OK too.
"They feed it to cows in England" isn't a ringing endorsement these
days.
John M. Posing
My uncle, who raises horses, has told me stories of horses who aren't feeling
very well, grazing on hops. Just like a dog will eat grass. The dog pukes, the
horse just gets mellow. I've also heard that hops and pot are so closely
related, that you can graft between. Oh and for people wondering about where do
horses graze for hops. Someone used to grow them here, and they have went wild.
We have to chop them out of the trees to keep them from strangulating. Where
does one send hops for alpha content testing? Used them a few times for
flavor/aroma with so-so results. Kind of alfalfa/clover tasting.
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John M. Posing
jmpo...@colint.com
Jerold Paulson
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> Some told me the other day that in England, spent hop flowers are fed to
> the cows, and it apparently makes them less flatulent! Can't be toxic, in
> that case.
> Marc Arseneau
.. but do hops cause Mad Cow Disease?
Eve Dexter
"Hops (Humulus lupulus) The recently dried flowers of this plant
are a well-known sedative, but should be used with caution. The
hormonal properties of hops mean that they are better avoided for
broodmares and stallions. Hops make a good bitter tonic for the
fractious horse who fails to thrive."
Good Luck