Re: Category change on eBay?
Kalera Stratton
taking action... maybe she can bring it up on WC again and we can get a
bunch of emails sent. Wouldn't it be lovely?!
-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.snipurl.com/kebay
E J Ralph wrote:
> I sent my email!
>
> Emma
>
>
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:40:41 -0700, Kalera Stratton
> <kal...@strattonhome.org> wrote:
>
>
>>A few lampworkers have been discussing lately something which concerns
>>most of us here... the lampwork categories on eBay. We were talking
>>about how lots and lots of us emailed eBay and they gave us a new
>>category; lampwork handmade US. Unfortunately, that category is woefully
>>inadequate, as it really doesn't specify what we *need* it to specify,
>>which is whether it is artisan lampwork, and whether it's made in the US
>>is irrelevant. Narrowing it to US lampworkers only hurts non-US lampwork
>>artisans and the customers who are looking for good-quality artisan
>>work, regardless of counrty of origin.
>>
>>The thing this dedicated focus group (HAW) of lampworkers came up with
>>is the category "Lampwork - handmade - self-representing artists". This
>>was actually Lori Peterson's brainchild, if I understand correctly! I
>>think eBay would be amenable to that because they already have a
>>category in paintings for self-representing artists... which they won by
>>emailing eBay and asking for it.
>>
>>It wouldn't keep liars and scammers from posting their mass-produced
>>lampwork there, but it would at least be a more accurate category for
>>all self-representing lampwork artisans worldwide, and that would
>>benefit both sellers and buyers of lampwork. If anyone here thinks this
>>is a good idea and one that we beaders as a whole could benefit from,
>>please take a moment to email eBay and ask them to make this change.
>>
>>Here's the link for making uncsolicited suggestions (they made it a bit
>>hard to find)
>>
>>http://pages.ebay.com/help/welcome/suggest.html
>>
>>This is what I said in my suggestion:
>>
>>"Hi,
>>
>>I am a self-representing lampwork artist selling on eBay, and I'd like
>>to suggest the addition of the category "Lampwork - Handmade -
>>Self-representing artists".
>>
>>The current category, "Lampwork - Handmade - US" was a step in the right
>>direction, but unfortunately it excludes a great many of our
>>international colleagues and doesn't specifically narrow the offerings
>>to artists selling their own work. I think that the self-representing
>>category will make it easier for lampwork customers to find the kind of
>>work they want, and will exclude those reselling mass-produced, imported
>>(but still handmade) lampwork, while including exceptional talents
>>worldwide who are selling their own work.
>>
>>Thank you for considering this suggestion."
>
>
Susan B.
interesting to see what comes from this. Power to the people, sister!
susan in canada
In article <eJqdnS8D_-N...@comcast.com>, Kalera Stratton
Lori Greenberg
As I stated in my email, I thought that complaints to eBay regarding
category violations would increase daily until they did something. Anyone
care to help me make good on that? Even though it's a PITA, I try to send
at least a few a day. There's not only mass produced, imported lampwork,
but also czech glass beads.
I could only find how to report actual auctions though.
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Lori Greenberg
www.beadnerd.com
ebay:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=lorigreenberg
"Kalera Stratton" <kal...@strattonhome.org> wrote in message
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Su/Cutworks
> The thing this dedicated focus group (HAW) of lampworkers came up with
> is the category "Lampwork - handmade - self-representing artists". This
> was actually Lori Peterson's brainchild, if I understand correctly! I
> think eBay would be amenable to that because they already have a
> category in paintings for self-representing artists... which they won by
> emailing eBay and asking for it.
>
I would love a category like that, it feels odd to put Mike's auctions in
'other' as it seems such a catch-all category and puts the non-US
lampworkers that are self-representing into a lesser category than the US
artists simply because 'other' seems so undistinguished.
I'll write to them today.
-Su
Lori Greenberg
I'm a bit leery of just posting lists of links to be reported so let's just
say I'll ask the question:
Do you think these are handcrafted lampwork auctions?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34070&item=4933023016&rd=1
What about this?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34070&item=4933003504&rd=1
Govern yourself accordingly. ;o)
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Lori Greenberg
www.beadnerd.com
ebay:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=lorigreenberg
"Kalera Stratton" <kal...@strattonhome.org> wrote in message
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>I read that part of your letter and thought, "Hmmm, is that an obsrvation
>or a promise?" LOL! I would be glad to pitch in with reporting a few
>miscategorized auctions per day... it only takes a few minutes, and if
>nothing else it may help reduce the bog of miscategorized crap in the
>handmade lampwork categories.
>
> -Kalera
> http://www.beadwife.com
> http://www.snipurl.com/kebay
>
>
Su/Cutworks
Just pretend it read like this from the start. :-)
"Dear sirs;
As an individual artist who makes lampworked beads I would like to suggest
the addition of the category "Lampwork - Handmade - Self-representing
artists".
The current category, "Lampwork - Handmade - US" excludes all non-US
artists, relegating them to the non-specific and rather unattractive
category of 'other' which does not give non-US artists a very good
presentation on the eBay community.
A special self-representing category will make it easier for those wishing
to find genuine artist-created lampwork to discover an international
selection under one umbrella category and will avoid lumping artists who
create individual beads with those who simply resell mass-produced, imported
but still 'technically' handmade beads and will allow all the individual
self-representing artists to combine under one broad category.
Thank you for your attention to this issue, it will only enhance eBay and
the artists who depend upon your venue for promoting their work.
With regards,
Mike Poole/Tillerman Beads"
-Su (ghostwriter and teagirl to the lampworking star of tomorrow, or next
week!)
Karen_AZ
say I'll ask the question:
Do you think these are handcrafted lampwork auctions?<
Good points. I've been guilty of posting "housecleaning" packets of beads in
the US Lampwork category in the past, mostly because I forget to change the
category. Folks know who I am and I figure they'll just get found that way,
but in all honesty it's obviously wrong. I've always stated in descriptions
that it's a variety of Czech, Indian and who knows what else glass, but it's
STILL in the wrong category.
On the second listing, yeah, it's still wrong cuz it sure isn't beads. But
if I were looking for a bead stand I wouldn't know where else to look so I
sort of like the fact that it's there. It's incorrect but it's not the same
as listing 140 lots of mass-produced acrylic (glass LOL) beads. Point taken,
though.
KarenK
Kandice Seeber
just copied what you said. I agree - I hope ebay will sit up and listen. I
have written to them several times in the past about the bead categories.
Hopefully if many more of us do this, they will take notice.
--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net
>A few lampworkers have been discussing lately something which concerns most
>of us here... the lampwork categories on eBay. We were talking about how
>lots and lots of us emailed eBay and they gave us a new category; lampwork
>handmade US. Unfortunately, that category is woefully inadequate, as it
>really doesn't specify what we *need* it to specify, which is whether it is
>artisan lampwork, and whether it's made in the US is irrelevant. Narrowing
>it to US lampworkers only hurts non-US lampwork artisans and the customers
>who are looking for good-quality artisan work, regardless of counrty of
>origin.
>
> The thing this dedicated focus group (HAW) of lampworkers came up with is
> the category "Lampwork - handmade - self-representing artists". This was
> actually Lori Peterson's brainchild, if I understand correctly! I think
> eBay would be amenable to that because they already have a category in
> paintings for self-representing artists... which they won by emailing eBay
> and asking for it.
>
> It wouldn't keep liars and scammers from posting their mass-produced
> lampwork there, but it would at least be a more accurate category for all
> self-representing lampwork artisans worldwide, and that would benefit both
> sellers and buyers of lampwork. If anyone here thinks this is a good idea
> and one that we beaders as a whole could benefit from, please take a
> moment to email eBay and ask them to make this change.
>
> Here's the link for making uncsolicited suggestions (they made it a bit
> hard to find)
>
> http://pages.ebay.com/help/welcome/suggest.html
>
> This is what I said in my suggestion:
>
> "Hi,
>
> I am a self-representing lampwork artist selling on eBay, and I'd like to
> suggest the addition of the category "Lampwork - Handmade -
> Self-representing artists".
>
> The current category, "Lampwork - Handmade - US" was a step in the right
> direction, but unfortunately it excludes a great many of our international
> colleagues and doesn't specifically narrow the offerings to artists
> selling their own work. I think that the self-representing category will
> make it easier for lampwork customers to find the kind of work they want,
> and will exclude those reselling mass-produced, imported (but still
> handmade) lampwork, while including exceptional talents worldwide who are
> selling their own work.
>
> Thank you for considering this suggestion."
> --
Peggy
love to see this new category. I have already emailed eBay. Thanks for
this great suggestion, Kalera!!
"Kalera Stratton" <kal...@strattonhome.org> wrote in message
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Kandice Seeber
times, but nothing really worth taking notice of. If a bunch of us do this
(legitimately of course) maybe ebay will notice. :)
--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net
> That would be great, Kalera.
Su/Cutworks
> Do you think these are handcrafted lampwork auctions?
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34070&item=4933023016&rd=1
Nope, not handcrafted lampwork. Thanks for pointing out this particular
auction.
> What about this?
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34070&item=4933003504&rd=1
Um, nope. Now, that's handmade but it doesn't have a single hole all the
way through it and I'll be darned if I can figure out a way to wear it.
> Govern yourself accordingly. ;o)
That would be the election, eh?
-Su
Peggy
(And don' let me ketch nona y'all makin' fun a arr suthern accens.)
"Lori Greenberg" <ne...@beadnerd.com> wrote in message
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Kandice Seeber
have seen very few Czech lampwork like the ones you are talking about on
ebay, in this category. For some reason many sellers don't know or don't
care about the difference between Czech glass beads which are crystal or
firepolish or pressed, and Czech lampwork beads.
I also see a lot of silver in the lampwork category, as well as tools, large
miscellaneous bead lots and other things that totally don't go there.
--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net
>
> ]There's not only mass produced, imported lampwork,
> ]but also czech glass beads.
>
> i understand 'self-representing' artist.
> but the Czech glass *handmade* beads i have are very well done.
>
>
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>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34070&item=4933023
016&rd=1
Wow!!...y'all are able to handcraft lampworked MOTHER OF PEARL now??? Too
fabo. >gak<
The Blessed Fiddy, Patroness Saint of the Disorganized
LC in Sunny So Cal
Personality Development Specialist (Full-Time Mom!)
Kalera Stratton
Lori rocks!
Su/Cutworks
> As I stated in my email, I thought that complaints to eBay regarding
> category violations would increase daily until they did something. Anyone
> care to help me make good on that? Even though it's a PITA, I try to send
> at least a few a day. There's not only mass produced, imported lampwork,
> but also czech glass beads.
I'll be glad to help with that.
Send me links if you have particular auctions in question, otherwise I'll
just shoot for a random selection. I have tons of practice sending
complaints about scanned photos and copyrighted artwork being sold as cross
stitch charts converted by computer, including Disney and other such
*gagging* ... well, let's just say I wouldn't call it art after it's been
through a lazy person's cross stitch program and sold as a chart.
-Su
Kalera Stratton
catalog, but they have a nice online form you can fill out. :)
vj wrote:
> vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "Kandice Seeber"
> <see...@comNOcastSPAMM.net> :
>
> ]The ones I am seeing on ebay are Czech pressed glass or firepolished. I
> ]have seen very few Czech lampwork like the ones you are talking about on
> ]ebay, in this category. For some reason many sellers don't know or don't
> ]care about the difference between Czech glass beads which are crystal or
> ]firepolish or pressed, and Czech lampwork beads.
> ]I also see a lot of silver in the lampwork category, as well as tools, large
> ]miscellaneous bead lots and other things that totally don't go there.
>
> okay - just double checking. it really doesn't affect me, as i won't
> go to e-bay. but after seeing the film about the Czech lampworkers
> [thank you, Nicole!], i wanted to be clear what we were talking about.
>
> that said, there are some big differences between Czech handmade,
> Chinese handmade, and India handmade, and US/Canada/Australia/English
> handmade [did i cover everyone?]. not only in quality sometimes, but
> also in technique and finish.
>
> personally, i think e-bay's whole system needs major overhauling.
> it's just one number in a list of why i don't bother with them - give
> me an artist/wholesale/retail outlet online any day. [with the
> exception of Rio, and i understand why they don't have one - it's
> probably a good thing, for me.]
>
starlia
category. I think self-represented artists is much better and we'll get to
see more beauties from around the world in one category.
--
Starlia Klopman
www.klopmanstudios.com
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Peggy
"Kalera Stratton" <kal...@strattonhome.org> wrote in message
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DreamBeadr
YES!
I will send my email in too.
I have been in a voting, to change things for the better, mood lately anyway!
<snicker>
Kalera Stratton
Kalera Stratton
category... although it really would go under "Crafts - Supplies - Glass
Art Supplies - Lampworking Supplies", I think.
Lara wrote:
> I sent off an email too. I suggested 2 categories and I forgot to suggest a
> 3rd.
>
> I said should be 1- self representing (me, you, artists that make the beads)
> 2 - Other (china, india, mass produced and those being sold by people that
> didn't make the beads
>
> I forgot to add #3 - supplies (frit, glass, tools, etc).
>
> Lara
>
>
Kalera Stratton
familiar to me.
Christina Peterson wrote:
> The ones I bought are even nicer, are tiny, and cost less. His color use is
> different from what is used in US and Western Europe. His Czech palette was
> perfect for beads for my DIL.
>
> Tina
Christina Peterson
all their catalogues.
Vicki, with all the jewelry work you're doing, do you still have time for
beading?
Tina
"vj" <v...@vickijean.com> wrote...
> now i'm REALLY in trouble!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> i've been drooling over the tools catalog for months now.