Peyote vs Brick Stitch
Gretchen Stroh
Dear Beaders,
I just got the Interweave Beadwork mag (My bet is that they make it a
quarterly like Handwoven mag., or a regular project mag.) and am now
pondering this question regarding amulet bags.
I kindof just finished a peyote bag, but Cindy (a fellow beader out here in
netland) says she hates peyote and does everything in brick stitch. Well
what are the pros and cons of each. They had both shown in the Beadwork
mag., and I'm wondering is one better for some things, do you need to start
brick stich with bugle beads?
How do you arrive at a preference for one over the other?
Just wondering,
Gretchen
--
Gretchen Stroh
gst...@swarthmore.edu
Emily Hackbarth
Gretchen Stroh <gst...@cc.swarthmore.edu> wrote in article
<gstroh1-22...@mac04.mccabe3.swarthmore.edu>...
> I kindof just finished a peyote bag, but Cindy (a fellow beader out
here in
> netland) says she hates peyote and does everything in brick stitch.
Well
> what are the pros and cons of each. They had both shown in the
Beadwork
> mag., and I'm wondering is one better for some things, do you need
to start
> brick stich with bugle beads?
I don't think one is better than the other, it just depends on the
effect you want to give. Peyote gives a softer drape which I think is
preferrable in a bag, brick stitch is quite stiff which makes it much
better for earrings. You do not have to start brick stitch with bugle
beads, in fact, I try to avoid them because they tend to cut the
thread.
> How do you arrive at a preference for one over the other?
Experience I guess. Try working with both on some small projects
until you get a feel for how they work up and go from there. There
are no rules!
Emily Hackbarth
em...@exo.com
http://exo.com/~emily/beadworker.html
Jim & Diane Haddock
Hello from Kansas!
I started out doing brick stitch first and I love it. Then learned
peyote. Peyote is much faster and has a softer feel to it than brick.
I think brick is stronger and stiffer. Also it's easier to do more
intricate patterns with brick, but that's just my opinion.
I have made 10 amulets now, about half of each stitch. I just finished
one that is in the Interweave Mag--the one in lt blue with silver bugles
on either end. It is gorgeous! You can start brick with beads, too,
not just bugles,it's just easier to start with bugles, then add the seed
beads along the upper edge, then do brick tube-style,each row moving up
one row. When I get the brick stitch bag as big as I want it, I hold
the two edges together and do another row of brick on top of them, going
thru the two rows of threads instead of just one, so the last row of
brick pulls the two layers together. Are you with me? :)
Hope this helps.
Diane
Keeping life simple......
A bead is just a marble that lost her virginity.
mo...@sockets.net
On 10/22/96 6:41AM, in message
<gstroh1-22...@mac04.mccabe3.swarthmore.edu>, Gretchen Stroh
<gst...@cc.swarthmore.edu> wrote:
> Dear Beaders,
>
> I just got the Interweave Beadwork mag (My bet is that they make it a
> quarterly like Handwoven mag., or a regular project mag.) and am now
> pondering this question regarding amulet bags.
>
> I kindof just finished a peyote bag, but Cindy (a fellow beader out here in
> netland) says she hates peyote and does everything in brick stitch. Well
> what are the pros and cons of each. They had both shown in the Beadwork
> mag., and I'm wondering is one better for some things, do you need to start
> brick stich with bugle beads?
>
> How do you arrive at a preference for one over the other?
>
> Just wondering,
> Gretchen
>
> --
> Gretchen Stroh
> gst...@swarthmore.edu
Gretchen, I'm still hung up on peyote stitch. I have done a little brick
stitch but I'm just more comfortable with peyote. For me it is not so much the
stitch but the richness of the beads and the design. At least for now I never
tire of the different patterns I come up with using whatever beads I choose. I
know for some people the stitches and all their variations are real important.
I've always said I am a renegade beader. I couldn't follow a pattern if I had
to maybe that's why I don't branch out into other stitches more. I think it
does'nt matter what stitch you use as long as you find enjoyment in what you do
and you happy with the end results.
Joni Johnson
In article <gstroh1-22...@mac04.mccabe3.swarthmore.edu>,
Gretchen Stroh <gst...@cc.swarthmore.edu> wrote:
>
>.... do you need to start brick stich with bugle beads?
>
I just made a pair of pumpkin earrings this weekend, using brick
stitch, and I didn't use bugles. The 1st couple of rows were pretty
hard to hold on to, though.
Joni, who really will try peyote someday
Marty Bunis
Hi Joni,
Pumpkin earrings sound great! Is there any way you could share the
directions? I'd love to try a pair.
Thanks!
Sue
Aurora Ber
Preference is personal. Before I learned the peyote stitch, I prefered
the brick stitch, but then I did not understand the peyote stitch. I
believe that a beaded bag made from peyote stitch lays out better. The
columns, rows of beads, going up and down are in a striaght line, where on
the brick stitch the staggared rows are up and down, so the sides are
better in peyote. However, I also teach brick stitch in the round (Sept.
issue of BeadAholic has these instructions) and depending on what you are
doing, can have it's advantages - one of which is that there are hundreds
of beading patterns out there for brick stitch earrings that are perfectly
usable in a brick stitch bag. I also feel that peyote stitch goes faster
(tubular - in the round).
You can try both, but if you are good at the peyote stitch, you will
probably try to stick with that. I also love netting beaded amulet bags.
Judy Anderson
In article <01bbc051$8b6d4a20$8cae...@emily.snni.com>,
"Emily Hackbarth" <em...@exo.com> wrote:
<snip>
>I don't think one is better than the other, it just depends on the
>effect you want to give. Peyote gives a softer drape which I think is
>preferrable in a bag, brick stitch is quite stiff which makes it much
>better for earrings. You do not have to start brick stitch with bugle
>beads, in fact, I try to avoid them because they tend to cut the
>thread.
You can avoid having your threads cut by bugles if you work a seed bead at
each end of the bugle into your design. Consider the seed-bugle-seed
arrangement as one "bead."
Judy Anderson, Editor
Upper Midwest Bead Society Newsletter
SCanBead
In article <54lf95$1d...@news.doit.wisc.edu>, j...@grays.uucp (Joni Johnson)
writes:
>I just made a pair of pumpkin earrings this weekend, using brick
>stitch, and I didn't use bugles. The 1st couple of rows were pretty
>hard to hold on to, though.
>
>
I find that if I use seed beads for my base row, it really helps to weave
your way back through them, it tightens them up and makes a more sturdy
base. I don't know if all books show this or not.
Susan
Krista Shufelt
Gretchen Stroh wrote:
> I kindof just finished a peyote bag, but Cindy (a fellow beader out here in
> netland) says she hates peyote and does everything in brick stitch. Well
> what are the pros and cons of each. They had both shown in the Beadwork
> brick stich with bugle beads?
>
There is one important distinction between brick stitch and peyote that
I
haven't seen mentioned yet. In peyote, the thread goes through a bead
each
stitch. In standard brick stitch, the thread loops under another
thread!
As several posters have pointed out, this makes for a tighter weave
because
the thread pulls on the thread of the previous row, tightening the
previous
work which you cannot do in peyote. In the long term, this
thread-on-thread
junction is not as sturdy as the thread-through-bead of peyote. Beads
To
Buckskins (vol 6 maybe?) discusses this briefly and the authors says she
sees stretching sometimes in brick-stitched earrings after a while
(years?).
Her solution is applicable to all brick stitch: instead of going under
a thread,
she goes down into one of the two lower beads, across under horzontally
to
the next bead, up through that one, and back into the original bead.
This way
the thread is anchored in beads, not looped around other threads. If
this is
not clear try to find her book to see diagrams.
I am curious, do those of you who use brick stitch ever use this method
as
described in Beads To Buckskins? I had never seen it before I saw it
there,
and I have not tried it yet.
--Krista
--
Krista Shufelt
k...@cs.hmc.edu
Aurora Ber
Judy - good tip!!!!
I really get nuts - I file the ends of bugle bead and dab each end with
nail polish before I use them - time consuming but it seems to work.
Aurora - The BeadAholic
Aurora Ber
On bugle bead row, done using seed beads instead, have you tried this
alternate technique for making the base row?
use 2 needle method - pub one seed bead in center of thread, then put both
needles through the next bead, oposite directions and pull together, and
continue - it's like making a ladder using 2 needle method. I have not
tried this, but I was thinking it might make it easier to do the base row
this way when using single beads instead of bugles.
Let me know if you try it and if it helps.
Aurora - The BeadAholic
CDR
In article <54spqj$9...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
auro...@aol.com (Aurora Ber) writes:
> Judy - good tip!!!!
Was this the tip to use seed beads as part of the original row, so the
bugles wouldn't slice the thread? I thought it was an excellent tip
too.
Since I am going to do a triangle shaped brick stitch bag as soon as my
Christmas gifts are done (HA!), I thought this was a gem. One for the
bead fairy page, Simone.
But what about this single needle v the two-needle technique. I've
only used one needle. Why or when should I use two?
Thanks,
Cindy
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Judy Anderson
In article <552fbs$1g...@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>, cd...@psu.edu (CDR) wrote:
>In article <54spqj$9...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>
>auro...@aol.com (Aurora Ber) writes:
>
>> Judy - good tip!!!!
>
>Was this the tip to use seed beads as part of the original row, so the
>bugles wouldn't slice the thread? I thought it was an excellent tip
>too.
*anywhere* I use them--helps keep 'em from fraying the threads!
>But what about this single needle v the two-needle technique. I've
>only used one needle. Why or when should I use two?
At least for making the base, it's a little easier to use the two-needle
method than to go back through the base again, IMHO, YMMV.
Judy
Aurora Ber
I haven't put this into practice yet, but in doing a single row of seed
beads as the base row, it is easy for everything to get bunched up or turn
the wrong way - Anyway I was wondering (gonna have to try it) if the two
needle method might stay alligned better.
What you end up with is two long threads at the end of the base, so you
would want to weave at least one (maybe both) back through to ad strength
to the base row. Then one needle and thread finishes the top brick part
of say the earring, and you have a needle and thread hanging down below to
do the fringe with. This can have it's advantages.
Just an idea - I wish I had more time to pick up a needle and thread and
some beads ;)
Aurora
The BeadAholic
http://home.aol.com/auroraber