India and States Stamps for Sale!!
Dick Brand
INDIA and States including French India
Most dealers hate India, it is complicated, it is full of the
15cent stamps and is full of all kinds of unreadable stamps and
overprints when you start to collect the states. I love India and
I love the states even more, including the unreadable overprints,
varities and complicated issues where the Hindi line is on 13
1/2mm instead of 15mm or even a dropped 'R'. If you are
interested in India or more importantly, the STATES both
Feudatory and Convention States, drop me a note with you want
list or wish list to
Dick Brand 8 rue Monte Cristo 75020 Paris France Fx 00 33 01
43 56 60 79 or my website at
http://home.earthlink.net/~joelb/
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Dick Brand
in...@hotmail.com
In article <ey$qzNvz8...@nih2naac.prod2.compuserve.com>,
I appreciate your posting. In addition to above reasons you mentioned why
dealers hate Stamps from India, the other reasons is they do not
appreciate that INDIA is free and strong after the end of colonial rule
after 50 years. These dealers still want to Uphold the Values of
Colonial rule. These dealers derive some sadistic pleasure in
classifying many sovereign independent nations under the so called
"British Empire" which never exists. Further, some of the dealers who
wish to sell stamps of India just stop at 1947 when the bloody Colonial
rule ended. When I asked one particular dealer for stamps of India beyond
1947, he wrote back to me telling, exact quote "The stamps of India after
1948 have NO VALUE in the stamp world " meaning "You are worth nothing
if you are not ruled by imperialistic Colonial rulers" This is
particularly very true among the dealers in United States. Also, some of
these dealers look down upon any one who asks for Stamps from India or
any other Eastern countries. This has been my personal Experience with
some of the dealers.
It is most unfortunate that neo-colonialism has percolated down even to a
nice hobby like Philately.
Gangadhar Sharma
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Hobbes9324
>I appreciate your posting. In addition to above reasons you mentioned why
>dealers hate Stamps from India, the other reasons is they do not
>appreciate that INDIA is free and strong after the end of colonial rule
>after 50 years. These dealers still want to Uphold the Values of
>Colonial rule. These dealers derive some sadistic pleasure in
>classifying many sovereign independent nations under the so called
>"British Empire" which never exists. Further, some of the dealers who
>wish to sell stamps of India just stop at 1947 when the bloody Colonial
>rule ended. When I asked one particular dealer for stamps of India beyond
>1947, he wrote back to me telling, exact quote "The stamps of India after
>1948 have NO VALUE in the stamp world " meaning "You are worth nothing
>if you are not ruled by imperialistic Colonial rulers" This is
>particularly very true among the dealers in United States. Also, some of
>these dealers look down upon any one who asks for Stamps from India or
>any other Eastern countries. This has been my personal Experience with
>some of the dealers.
>
>It is most unfortunate that neo-colonialism has percolated down even to a
>nice hobby like Philately.
>
>Gangadhar Sharma
Whew - little upset there, eh?
Would you feel better if you knew that the vast majority of dealers would say
that US stamps after 1949 are valueless? - You can pick up almost anything you
need at less that face value (with a very few exceptions and errors) Stamp
dealers, US or otherwise, want to make a profit, and there's very little to be
made in modern issues, especially those of the US, and I suppose, India - and
probably for the same reason - each issue is printed in the multiple millions,
and will always be cheap to buy. I doubt that neo-colonialism has the
slightest bit to do with it - simple capitalism explains it easily enough.
Just my opinion, though, I could be wrong.....but I doubt it....:-)
M Morkin MD
Srikant Jayaraman
Hobbes9324 wrote:
> Whew - little upset there, eh?
> Would you feel better if you knew that the vast majority of dealers would say
> that US stamps after 1949 are valueless? - You can pick up almost anything you
> need at less that face value (with a very few exceptions and errors) Stamp
> dealers, US or otherwise, want to make a profit, and there's very little to be
> made in modern issues, especially those of the US, and I suppose, India - and
> probably for the same reason - each issue is printed in the multiple millions,
No, your statement of "multiple millions" is incorrect. Almost all
post-1947 commemorative Indian issues have print runs of only 1,000,000.
Contrast this with modern USA issues (like the George Marshall from May
97),
where a "small" run is around 50 million.
> and will always be cheap to buy. I doubt that neo-colonialism has the
> slightest bit to do with it - simple capitalism explains it easily enough.
I think this "simple capitalism" is pretty short sighted. As Indians
grow
increasingly prosperous, I'd expect there to be increasing demand for
several post-1947 issues of historical interest. Look at what's
happening today in the market for Chinese stamps.
> Just my opinion, though, I could be wrong.....but I doubt it....:-)
> M Morkin MD
Srikant
Ashok Gurjar
Srikant Jayaraman <sj...@cornell.edu> wrote:
>Hobbes9324 wrote:
>No, your statement of "multiple millions" is incorrect. Almost all
>post-1947 commemorative Indian issues have print runs of only 1,000,000.
Actually, most commemorative are issued in a quantity of about
600,000 for a nation of about 1 BILLION people!! A reputable dealer
(whom I met earlier this year in India) was telling me that anyone
with little money and "influence" can EASILY corner the market for any
of these issues.
The first class postage in India is Re. 1.00 (??) (about 2.8 cents,
one of the lowest fee anywhere in the world), so we are not talking
about much "investment" here.
Luckily, this hasn't happen yet.
Regards,
Ashok Gurjar
PS: I think India has one of the best stamp issuing policies. NO
GARBAGE!! On an average, about 35-40 stamps are issued annually (face
value about US $4-7!!) mostly to commemorate deserving people and
events with few topicals here and there. Even the "errors" are not
seen too often (VERY RARE) for a "so called" developing nation.
Hobbes9324
Very interesting - and I'm glad to stand corrected on the # of stamps issued
(per issue) by India - would seem to be an area for collecting that could
rapidly go up in price, if the interest in SE asia
spreads west a bit.
Still doubt that neocolonialism is a factor in dealers not wanting to handle
their issues, though....just a matter of making dollars.
But I'm definatly going to make a point of filling in the gaps in my
post-British Empire section in my albums while the price is still
right!
Thanks for an interesting and thought stimulating post!
M Morkin MD
Carmelo Spinella
In article <34352001...@cornell.edu>,
Srikant Jayaraman <sj...@cornell.edu> wrote:
>Hobbes9324 wrote:
>
>> Whew - little upset there, eh?
>> Would you feel better if you knew that the vast majority of dealers would say
>> that US stamps after 1949 are valueless? - You can pick up almost anything you
>> need at less that face value (with a very few exceptions and errors) Stamp
>> dealers, US or otherwise, want to make a profit, and there's very little to be
>> made in modern issues, especially those of the US, and I suppose, India - and
>> probably for the same reason - each issue is printed in the multiple millions,
>
>No, your statement of "multiple millions" is incorrect. Almost all
>post-1947 commemorative Indian issues have print runs of only 1,000,000.
>Contrast this with modern USA issues (like the George Marshall from May
>97),
>where a "small" run is around 50 million.
>
>> and will always be cheap to buy. I doubt that neo-colonialism has the
>> slightest bit to do with it - simple capitalism explains it easily enough.
>
>I think this "simple capitalism" is pretty short sighted. As Indians
>grow
>increasingly prosperous, I'd expect there to be increasing demand for
>several post-1947 issues of historical interest. Look at what's
>happening today in the market for Chinese stamps.
>
>> Just my opinion, though, I could be wrong.....but I doubt it....:-)
>
>> M Morkin MD
>
>Srikant
I agree. I would include Pakistan in that opinion. Unlike India's fairly boring photogravure and
lithographed issues, Pakistan's early stamp issues are beautifully engraved depicting quite a
few topical subjects. Many of the definitives are difficult to build complete sets of in MNH
condition and I don't believe that they have received significant serious study. I am not a
collector of either India or Pakistan but I can see the potential value of these issues as India
and Pakistan continue to open their markets and develop into "First World" economies.
Mel
Tracy Barber
in...@hotmail.com wrote:
>I appreciate your posting. In addition to above reasons you mentioned why
>dealers hate Stamps from India, the other reasons is they do not
>appreciate that INDIA is free and strong after the end of colonial rule
>after 50 years.
Sounds like you have a serious resentment. That is in another
newsgroup. Let's talk about all India stamps here... or get off the
pot.
Tracy
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in...@hotmail.com
In article <19971004032...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
In my earlier posting, when I used the Phrase "Neo-Colonialism" I meant
the attitude of several dealers, who consider those who collect Eastern
World as inferior to those who collect western world. !!. You explained
that it is a simple Capitalism rather than neo-colonialism. Prima
facie, this may sound perfect. But, you are completely missing a point.
No one collects Stamps only for Value. In my opinion, "value" is the
last of the considerations. The stamps from my country are pictorial
icons representing the Culture, History and heritage. They are an easy
way of explaining and passing those perennial value to our children. If
value or "return on my investment" is any consideration, rather I would
bet my money on New York Stock Exchange.. rather would endeavor to
become a part of Mr. Bill Gate’s empire.!! Why buy some small pieces
of paper paying 100s of dollars ??
If simple capitalism is the only reason for not dealing with the stamps
of India, why do we find so many dealers who carry tones of stamps from
Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria and other Eastern European nations whose
stamps value is much less than that of India. I know a dealer who can
give 2000 stamps of Hungary for 20 Dollars. Neatly mounted with Scott
numbers!! But he looks down upon me just because I express interest in
India. This looks like a Perfect blend of Capitalism and Colonialism. I
think the stamps of India are not that dirt cheap.
Mean while I appreciate your unput.
Gangadhar Sharma
Denver , CO
Rainer Fuchs
in...@hotmail.com wrote in article <8761615...@dejanews.com>...
> In my earlier posting, when I used the Phrase "Neo-Colonialism" I meant
> the attitude of several dealers, who consider those who collect Eastern
> World as inferior to those who collect western world. !!.
Well, in Germany it is even worst... once i have visited a fair and have
asked dealers for overseas Countries (from our point of view, everything
except Germany and Europe....
I got the reply.. "overseas, that's perverse"
What to say...
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Rainer Fuchs
Email: r.f...@euromail.com
Web Site: http://fuchs-online.com
tgt...@chem.tue.nl
On 7 Oct 1997 04:14:04 GMT, "Rainer Fuchs" <r.f...@euromail.com>
wrote:
>Well, in Germany it is even worst... once i have visited a fair and have
>asked dealers for overseas Countries (from our point of view, everything
>except Germany and Europe....
>I got the reply.. "overseas, that's perverse"
>What to say...
>--
>Rainer Fuchs
>Email: r.f...@euromail.com
>Web Site: http://fuchs-online.com
>
I think the world of most stamp dealers is even smaller. Ever tried to
get a serious reply when you ask for Eastern Europe. Although all
pre-war and a lot of post-communist material is quite interesting most
dealers refer to the pictorials these countries used to issue.
Edwin Muller
Soggy3
Hey this is a great thread--here I was missing Dick Brand and all of the
hilarious stuff that flies up every time he does a post and look what happens!
Also I got a belly laugh when I read Mr Shanda's troll--I figured it would get
a lot of response. I love those Indian stamps too--especially the States and
anything before 1948!
Herb Ashendorf
MD Morkin expressed the reasons in a lot more polite terms than I might
have. British Commonwealth are collected world wide. Those people
have money, largely belong to developed nations and pursue their
interests. when India has a very large group of people interested in
collecting Independent India, just watch the prices rise. won't be in
your life time.
James McKellips
is concerned. I collect and deal in the stamps of Independent India.
They are very difficult to find. I predict that prices will rise greatly
by the year 2000. You may quote me then. I am always looking to buy MHN
India.
Best wishes,
Jim McKellips
http://www.hillcity-mall.com/mckellips/stamp.html
Nusivar
I have extensive collection of duplicate post India mint stamps, postal
stationery, FDCs etc. Most in India use Gibbons catalog. Stamps issued between
1948 and 1958 are beginning to get scarce. Demand is also rising from growing
no of non-resident Indians (NRI) living abroad.
Please e-mail to me your want list and I will offer whatever I can. Best
wishes.
Ravi Vora
Member: India Study Circle (UK)