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Victor Manta

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The folk singers Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel reunited this fall, twenty
years after their separation, for a concert tour of North America.

I believe that the authors of unforgettable "El Condor Pasa", "The Sparrow",
and "The Sound of Silence" deserve a stamp, and this *before* they pass by.

The lyrics of mentioned songs can be found on:
http://people.fm.uniba.sk/veres/mp3ii/el_condor_pasa.htm
http://www.lyricsdepot.com/simon-garfunkel/sparrow.html
http://people.fm.uniba.sk/veres/mp3ii/the_sound_of_silence.htm

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"Victor Manta" <manvi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> The folk singers Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel reunited this fall, twenty
> years after their separation, for a concert tour of North America.
>
> I believe that the authors of unforgettable "El Condor Pasa", "The
Sparrow",
> and "The Sound of Silence" deserve a stamp, and this *before* they pass
by.

If you are talking about a US stamp, you are forgetting the requirement that
the honoree be dead for 10 years.


Victor Manta

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It is because I know this rule that I have (indirectly) suggested that it
should be repealed.

If not, it is Liberia, Gambia, and especially the agencies that represent
such countries that will continue of taking profits (plus the illegals'
producers, of course), by issuing stamps dedicated to US and other artists.

Undesirable Stamps: http://www.pwmo.org/articles/undesirable-stamps.htm
Illegal Stamps: http://www.pwmo.org/Illegals/frame-illegals-en.htm

Victor Manta

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John O'Brien

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John Dupont ,presumed owner of the one cent magenta British Guiana of 1856,
who is now serving a life sentence in Pennsylvania for murder, once paid
some island "nation" (Grenada, I think, but don't quote me) to honor himself
for introducing the triathelon to America, or some such thing.
IMO,I think these countries would continue their wallpaper-issuing
practices, even if the US relaxed the rules on honoring its own notables.

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Dakota

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Oct 17, 2003, 10:43:42 AM10/17/03
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>
> I believe that the authors of unforgettable "El Condor Pasa", "The Sparrow",
> and "The Sound of Silence" deserve a stamp, and this *before* they pass by.

Oh my, I can hear those Nigerian printing presses warming up right
now!

Actually a coule of years ago I saw a sheet (Cindie) featuring these
guys, there was also "Strawberry Alarm Clock", Iron Butterfly", Janis
Joplin" Arlo Guthrie" and really baffling "Mirielle Mathieu".

They'll not be done in the US until they're dead. The US has a thing
about featuring living people on it's stamps and coins - although that
rule was broken once on a coin.

Handshakes,

Dakota

Tom Loepp

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Oct 17, 2003, 12:01:24 PM10/17/03
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Dakota wrote:

And on the first man on the moon stamp.

>
>
> Handshakes,
>
> Dakota

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TC

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When my daughter was small, she asked me what music she should listen
to. I replied that it was up to her to judge but that she should try
to listen to good music.

After a few moments, she asked me how to tell if a piece music was
good or not. To that I replied that if a piece of music was really
good, then it would be played 200 years after it was written.

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TC

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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:14:59 -0400, "John O'Brien"
<jnob...@nospam.erols.com> wrote:

>John Dupont ,presumed owner of the one cent magenta British Guiana of 1856,
>who is now serving a life sentence in Pennsylvania for murder, once paid
>some island "nation" (Grenada, I think, but don't quote me) to honor himself
>for introducing the triathelon to America, or some such thing.
>IMO,I think these countries would continue their wallpaper-issuing
>practices, even if the US relaxed the rules on honoring its own notables.
>

(from Linn's Stamp News...)

British Guiana was a colonial outpost of the British empire on the
northeast coast of South America. You will see lots of zeroes to the
left of the decimal points in the catalog values of many of its early
stamps issued in the 1850s through the 1870s. No value, however, is
listed for British Guiana Scott 13, shown in Figure 3, the Penny
Magenta.

So far there is but one example of this 1856 1¢ stamp, printed in
black ink on magenta-colored paper. This stamp is not likely to be
coming on the market anytime soon, and putting a value on it probably
seemed like a pointless exercise for the Scott catalog editors. The
rarity was locally produced when postage stamps failed to arrive from
London. The local printer produced crude-looking stamps to fill the
breach, among them the 1¢ black on magenta paper.

Twelve-year-old L. Vernon Vaughan, a resident of the colony, found the
only known stamp in 1873 among some old family correspondence. He soon
sold it locally for the equivalent of about $1.50, which he used to
buy stamps for his collection that looked better than this somewhat
bedraggled, heavily canceled, scuffed and clipped stamp. Within a few
years, the stamp was in the collection of famed collector Count
Philippe Ferrari, who also once owned the Swedish 3SB error of color
stamp.

From Ferrari the Penny Magenta went to eccentric millionaire Arthur
Hind in the United States for $30,000. Hind's widow sold it in 1940
for an undisclosed price, but possibly as much as $75,000, to Edward
Small, an Australian living in Florida. That sum was eclipsed within
90 seconds of the stamp's next appearance on the market in a 1970
Robert A. Siegel auction in New York City.

Bidding for a syndicate of investors, Irwin Weinberg, a dealer in
Wilkes-Barre, Pa., won the stamp for $280,000. The British Guiana 1¢
black-on-magenta-paper stamp and Weinberg subsequently toured the
international stamp world, but the syndicate returned the stamp to the
Siegel auction block in 1980.

The successful bidder was John DuPont, yet another eccentric American
millionaire. He paid $935,000 for the stamp and reportedly often slept
with it under his pillow. DuPont now sleeps in a state prison, where
he is serving up to 30 years after being found guilty but mentally ill
in 1997 for the murder of a wrestling coach. The stamp is said to
slumber in a vault in Philadelphia.

http://www.sammler.com/images2/british_guiana.jpg

In 2000, a stamp purported to be an 1856 British Guiana 1¢ black on
magenta paper was exposed by the experts of the Royal Philatelic
Society of London as being an altered 4¢ stamp from the same issue.


Re: John Dupont.....

An Antigua-Redonda - 1987 - Capex $5 m/sheet (unissued)
showed Triathlete John duPont Running, Swimming & Cycling .
It was imperf from Format Security Printers
Various Proofs are known.

(I believe he paid them $10000 for the honour)

Grandpa

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John O'Brien wrote:

> "Victor Manta" <manvi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>The folk singers Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel reunited this fall, twenty
>>years after their separation, for a concert tour of North America.
>

> If you are talking about a US stamp, you are forgetting the requirement that
> the honoree be dead for 10 years.

I think the same is true of coins etc too. Heaven forbid that someone
might be honored while alive by somesuch.

Grandpa

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Oct 17, 2003, 12:55:45 PM10/17/03
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Dakota wrote:

<snip>


> Actually a coule of years ago I saw a sheet (Cindie) featuring these
> guys, there was also "Strawberry Alarm Clock", Iron Butterfly", Janis
> Joplin" Arlo Guthrie" and really baffling "Mirielle Mathieu".

Strawberry Alarm Clock - Incense and Peppermints, hey, a scratch and
sniff stamp perhaps?<G> I didn't think anyone remembered them but maybe
myself. Its an old goat thing.

LAWYER: the larval form of a politician.

Frank Emanuel

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I have only seen scratch and sniff stamps from a Dune country and one from
GB (SG 2235). Are there others? Just curious.

Frank


Tracy Barber

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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:48:53 +0200, "Victor Manta"
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>The folk singers Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel reunited this fall, twenty
>years after their separation, for a concert tour of North America.
>
>I believe that the authors of unforgettable "El Condor Pasa", "The Sparrow",
>and "The Sound of Silence" deserve a stamp, and this *before* they pass by.

You forgot "Bridge Over Troubled Water" !!!!!


Tracy Barber

Kaleb KEITHLEY

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Oct 17, 2003, 3:32:33 PM10/17/03
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The Swiss post office had one that smelled like chocolate.

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Mette

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> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:48:53 +0200, "Victor Manta"
> <manvi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >The folk singers Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel reunited this fall, twenty
> >years after their separation, for a concert tour of North America.
> >
> >I believe that the authors of unforgettable "El Condor Pasa", "The
Sparrow",
> >and "The Sound of Silence" deserve a stamp, and this *before* they pass
by.
>
> You forgot "Bridge Over Troubled Water" !!!!!

And "Mrs. Robinson" and "The Sounds of Silence", and ...!

Mette

Victor Manta

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Swiss chocolate:

http://www.values.ch/Magazine/Choco/chocolate.htm

Have also read about a coffee stamp, I think from The Netherlands.

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Victor Manta

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I haven't forgotten them, and there are many others yet :-)

BTW, I have mentioned "The Sound of Silence" and I have even given a link to
the lyrics.

Now, how about the stamp? Should our SNA issue one, and then we can serenely
wait... ?

Victor Manta


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Frank Emanuel

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>
> The Swiss post office had one that smelled like chocolate.
>

Excuse the pun but "Sweet!". I haven't gotten that one yet. I will keep my
eyes and nose open.

Frank


Doug Spade

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"Victor Manta" <manvi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I haven't forgotten them, and there are many others yet :-)
>
> BTW, I have mentioned "The Sound of Silence" and I have even given a link
to
> the lyrics.
>
> Now, how about the stamp? Should our SNA issue one, and then we can
serenely
> wait... ?
>
> Victor Manta


Proposed stamp design: The faces of Simon & Garfunkel, carved into the side
of a mountain (similar to Mount Rushmore).

The caption is obvious:

"I am a Rock"

Mike

Mette

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Oct 17, 2003, 7:59:00 PM10/17/03
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That's for others to decide, so I'll stick to the Sounds
of Silence ;-)

By the way, I noticed (from the CD-cover) that the
Central Park Concert was on 19th Sept. 1981 ...

Mette


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Grandpa

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Mette wrote:

And 7 O'Clock News/Silent Night, America, The Boxer and Wednesday
Morning 3AM. Oh the memories......................

TC

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Frank:

Many Examples:

Bhutan, Brasil, S. Korea, Switzerland, Norfolk Island, Norway, GB,
Hong Kong, etc...

See:
http://www.linns.com/howto/refresher/scents_20020826/refreshercourse.asp?uID=

TC

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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:09:49 +0200, "Victor Manta"
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>Swiss chocolate:
>
>http://www.values.ch/Magazine/Choco/chocolate.htm
>
>Have also read about a coffee stamp, I think from The Netherlands.
>
>Victor Manta
>

===================================================================
Brazil issued a second set of scented stamps in December 2001, this
time smelling of coffee.

The scent on these stamps was made with real coffee that was roasted,
ground and filtered under pressure. It was then processed into
microcapsules, mixed with clear varnish and applied to the printed
stamps.

The scent is released by lightly rubbing the stamp's surface with a
fingertip.

The specialists who created the process claim that the aroma should
last for three to five years.


Blair
===================================================================

PC Elias

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Yes, Switzerland issued a "scratch & sniff" chocolate stamp about a year
ago...
Peter


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kevin

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Bhutan has some rose scented stamps, but you did not have to scratch them...
kk


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> Bhutan has some rose scented stamps, but you did not have to scratch
them...
> kk

Those are the ones I attributed to Dunes. I have them somewhere - thought
they were interesting enough not to just pass up.

Thanks to all, I see that at least 3 countries in my colleting area have
smellables for me to go after.

thanks again,
Frank


TC

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Frank:

Those "dunes", that you see in Bhutan, are called
the Himalayas. 8*P

Bhutanese 'dune':
http://www.tomaatnet.nl/~wesker/jpg/jow12.jpg
Bhutan map:
http://www.m-w.com/geogpromo/bhutpic.htm

Blair

Dave

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The she I speak of is the computer genius Grace Hopper, inventor of
Cobal computer language, coined the term "bug" and served as an admiral in
the US Navy. She meets the 10 year requirement (she died in 1991).
I also met this lady, had the chance to talk with her and remember it
fondly. It would be kind of cool to see someone I actually have met on a
stamp.
Dave

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> The folk singers Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel reunited this fall, twenty
> years after their separation, for a concert tour of North America.
>
> I believe that the authors of unforgettable "El Condor Pasa", "The
Sparrow",
> and "The Sound of Silence" deserve a stamp, and this *before* they pass
by.
>
> Victor Manta


Steve Grant

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> The she I speak of is the computer genius Grace Hopper, inventor of
> Cobal computer language, coined the term "bug" and served as an admiral in
> the US Navy. She meets the 10 year requirement (she died in 1991).
> I also met this lady, had the chance to talk with her and remember it
> fondly. It would be kind of cool to see someone I actually have met on a
> stamp.
> Dave

I too would like to see Adm. Hopper so honored.


Victor Manta

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Fully agree!

BTW, the name of the language is COBOL, from COmon Business Oriented
Language.

I know it because my wife has programmed in this language during 30 years.

Victor Manta

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Tracy Barber

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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:05:18 GMT, "Dave" <De...@NOSPAMrochester.com>
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> The she I speak of is the computer genius Grace Hopper, inventor of
>Cobal computer language, coined the term "bug" and served as an admiral in
>the US Navy. She meets the 10 year requirement (she died in 1991).
> I also met this lady, had the chance to talk with her and remember it
>fondly. It would be kind of cool to see someone I actually have met on a
>stamp.

Ditto.

Tracy Barber

Tracy Barber

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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:21:20 +0200, "Victor Manta"
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>Fully agree!
>
>BTW, the name of the language is COBOL, from COmon Business Oriented
>Language.
>
>I know it because my wife has programmed in this language during 30 years.

And difficult to forget, once you do know it! :^) COBOL's cool...

Tracy Barber

Frank Emanuel

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> Those "dunes", that you see in Bhutan, are called
> the Himalayas. 8*P
>

Hokey toot! I never gave pause to where Bhutan was, I just associated their
stamps with Dunes as they always (the ones I have run across) seemed to look
like Dune country's stamps. Well I'll be a monkey's uncle.

Frank


Ada Prill

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Oct 18, 2003, 5:21:19 PM10/18/03
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Redonda has a population of zero, which doesn't inhibit their stamp-issuing
a bit, especially if they can get some nutty American millionaire to pay for
the privilege of making them even more money in stamp sales.

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Tracy Barber

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Did you ever stop and look at the stamps - and the people on those
stamps? Um, they look a LOT different! :^P

Tracy Barber

TC

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Not only did I have a colleague who spent some time in Bhutan,
but I have postally transmitted registered covers from that country.

By the way, their PO accepted all of those 'fancy' stamps for postage.

http://www.mayoph.com/images2/00d474.jpg
http://www.judnick.com/images/Cover_Bhutan_August1977Registered_small.jpg

Dave Kent

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If I recall correctly, some of those fancy topical stamps from Bhutan surfaced
a while ago postally used on mail to the India department of education. Since
Bhutan did not belong to the UPU, India was the only country they could send
mail to. Topical collectors were snapping them up at $50.00 a throw and more.
Legitimate postal use like that made the covers suitable for a serious topical
exhibit.

Tracy Barber

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Actually have seen quite a few postally used, on piece, items from
Bhutan. They are definitely not your run of the mill Flag Over the
Porch!

Tracy Barber

TC

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On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:05:18 GMT, "Dave" <De...@NOSPAMrochester.com>
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> The she I speak of is the computer genius Grace Hopper, inventor of


>Cobal computer language, coined the term "bug" and served as an admiral in
>the US Navy. She meets the 10 year requirement (she died in 1991).
> I also met this lady, had the chance to talk with her and remember it
>fondly. It would be kind of cool to see someone I actually have met on a
>stamp.
>Dave

Dave:

I agree. I met then Rear-Admiral Hopper (USNR) on three occasions.
She was a truly amazing person.

Have you contacted the USPS with the suggestion?
2006 will be her centenary.

Her Bio page (Vassar).
http://www.cs.vassar.edu/history/hopper/hopper.html

Possible designs?
http://www.jamesshuggins.com/i/tek1/grace_hopper_h96919k_full.jpg
http://www.jamesshuggins.com/i/tek1/grace_hopper_h96923_full.jpg

Frank Emanuel

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> Did you ever stop and look at the stamps - and the people on those
> stamps? Um, they look a LOT different! :^P

Big stamps usually CTO, didn't pay them much attention.

Frank


Frank Emanuel

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> Not only did I have a colleague who spent some time in Bhutan,
> but I have postally transmitted registered covers from that country.
>
> By the way, their PO accepted all of those 'fancy' stamps for postage.
>
> http://www.mayoph.com/images2/00d474.jpg

Sanskrit on the cover - I should have noticed that. That is a handsome cover
too! I guess I just didn't pay enough attention. I stand corrected all.

Frank


Tracy Barber

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Hmmm... well, these CTO stamps went through the mail. :^)

BTW, Bhutan wasn't heavily into CTO, like the dunes were / are.

Tracy Barber

kevin

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allof Bhutan's stamps are valid for postage, and I don't believe I have ever
seen a cto.... kk

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OK, at least I had the letters, if not the case, correct.
I shouldn't have met Adm Hopper at all under most circumstances.
Her is my Grace Hopper moment.
I was a Hospital Corpsman aboard the destroyer USS O'Bannon in
Charleston, SC. Adm. Hopper was aboard to evaluated the ship's computer
systems and advise the Data System Processor (AKA Navy computer geeks). She
left them impressed, slack-jawed and befuddled at how this little woman
could talk about computer systems far above their knowledge. That would
have been that. Before she left she asked the officer if there was anyone
aboard from New Hampshire since she had a place in Wolfsboro, NH (lovely
place on the shore of Lake Winnepesakee). He could only think of me so down
to sick bay she went.
I was there and heard the knock halp expecting someone wanting a
special favour in the off hours. I open the door and I didn't really know
what to say seeing an Admiral at the door. She asked if I was from NH and I
told her I lived there. Then she asked to come in and we sat down to talk
about New Hampshire. For more than an hour yet.
During that time my Chief comes in and just about craps himself to see
an Admiral sitting in his sick bay chatting with his junior corpsman. While
he's standing there speechless she asks if he could go and get us some tea.
Without a word he leaves to get tea for us.
It was a lovely visit. Lovely woman, very nice, very sweet (if I may
be so bold to have referred to an admiral that way). Even that was not the
end of it. Every year from then I received a Christmas card from her until
the last one in 1989. No matter where I transferred, the card came.
For all she accomplished, she deserves a stamp. Much more than a
Communist anti-American Mexican artist, clouds, snakes & lizards, political
hacks, and so forth.
Dave

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> allof Bhutan's stamps are valid for postage, and I don't believe I have
ever
> seen a cto.... kk

OK so I pulled out my old WW album to see them. And the only Bhutan stamps I
ever came across are those big ole scratch n' sniffs. So my assumption was
based on that alone. Looking at them I see that the writing is stylized
sanskrit (of some sort) which should have tipped me off. They do look like
CTOs though, anyway. My bad.

It is odd that I haven't found any Bhutan other than that as I really like
collecting India, Ceylon and Nepal (when I can find them). I have a bunch of
Pakastan put aside for a future consideration - but my interest really lies
in India (especially the Feud. States).

Frank


Tracy Barber

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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:07:49 GMT, "Dave" <De...@NOSPAMrochester.com>
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Not only that, but her concept of a "bug" in the works has been
priceless since it was coined. :^)

That must've been a great visit.

Tracy Barber

TC

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Further to the thread on Bhutan, I thought the following might
be of interest.

Blair
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BHUTAN POST - A Brief History

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HISTORY

Although not much is known about the ancient history of postal service
in Bhutan, it has existed in varied forms since the beginning of human
existence and this system is a very important part of the human
history itself. If we travel back in time, as far as the stone age, we
know that messengers were very important and responsibility was
accorded to the swiftest runner among the community youths. Hunters
sent messengers to call for additional manpower when faced with large
prey. Food and their very lives depended on the speed and stamina of
the messengers.

Bhutan may not be the place to conduct studies for such archaeological
remains, but brief mentions are made in its folktales. These show that
communication was a need felt and extensively used in the past, albeit
limited to only letters and parcels. Since the inception of a form of
governance under the Dzong administration system, a crude form of
postal service has been in existence using horses & riders to relay
messages from one station to another. Although mainly intended for
administrative purpose, the service was also used by the local
community people. Charges, if they existed, may not have been uniform.

This service also entailed basic reading and writing skills among the
messengers so deliveries could be made correctly. Always on the move,
postal messengers were also carriers of tales and stories of distant
lands. In absence of television, radio and newspaper this was the only
source of information for happenings outside the communities. Although
crude in its form, this system served the communication needs of the
different communities till a modern postal service was established.

The modern Postal Service was launched in Bhutan on 10th October 1962
with the opening of a post office in Phuentsholing. In the same year,
post offices were also opened in Paro and Thimphu. It was called the
Department of Posts and Telegraphs and placed under the Ministry of
Communications. This was the initial step taken by the Royal
Government to provide a uniform means of communication throughout the
country. The policy was initiated on eve of the 1st Five Year Plan,
noting the importance of the existence of a uniform means of
communication throughout the country to the achievement of a balanced
socio-economic development.

Initially the services offered were basic services such as letter
mail, postcards and parcels. International mail was only exchanged
with India. Mail exchange within Bhutan and with India was transported
through a unique mode of transport system, a combination of porters,
mules and motor. Notwithstanding the simplicity in its daily operation
and the hardship posed by the rugged terrain and extreme climatic
condition in winter, it was an efficient set up and contributed to the
growth of the nation, especially enhancing development in rural areas.

Bhutan became a member of the Universal Postal Union (UPU), the body
of the United Nations concerned with postal affairs, in 1969. Although
Bhutan had already established mail exchange with a few other
countries, it was the first time that its presence was felt at an
international postal gathering. In 1983 Bhutan also became a member of
the Asian Pacific Postal Union (APPU).

Postal services developed rapidly during successive Five Year Plans.
They were enhanced mainly because of the priority set by the Royal
Government on the development of Post in achieving balanced economic
development throughout the country. Moreover, since Bhutan was one of
the last countries to introduce the process of modernization,
development of other means of communication within a short period was
not possible.

Today, the Post's network consists of 107 outlets, including 2 General
Post Offices and 17 Post Offices. Its portfolio of services also
developed and improved over time and an International Express Mail
Service (EMS) was introduced in July 1993. Express mail services were
introduced into the domestic sector in 1966. Money order services were
improved with the introduction of Facsimile Money Order for Bhutan and
Express Money Order (EMO) for exchange with India. In 1997, Bhutan
Post set up a transport network for the purpose of carrying both
passenger and mail. This network presently covers almost all major
routes and even serves Calcutta and Siliguri in India. Today, the
network has 34 post buses.

Until 1st October 1996, the Division of Posts and Telegraphs was a
government body. However, as a part of the Royal Government's policy
of granting autonomy to organizations, which have potential to operate
independently, the Division of Posts and Telegraphs was converted to
the status of an autonomous commercial corporation on 1st October 1996
under the trading name " Bhutan Post ".

Doug Spade

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> Thanks to all, I see that at least 3 countries in my colleting area have
> smellables for me to go after.
>
> thanks again,
> Frank
>


You realize, of course, that "scratch and sniff" stamps create two new types
of collecting varieties: "unscratched and unsniffed" and "scratched and
sniffed." Wonder which would be considered more valuable?

(Wish I could take credit for coming up with this, but alas, someone else
thought of it first!)

Mike


TC

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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:23:59 -0400, "Doug Spade" <djs...@tc3net.com>
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>You realize, of course, that "scratch and sniff" stamps create two new types
>of collecting varieties: "unscratched and unsniffed" and "scratched and
>sniffed." Wonder which would be considered more valuable?
>
>(Wish I could take credit for coming up with this, but alas, someone else
>thought of it first!)
>
>Mike
>

Mike:

You forgot the rare ERROR varieties....
"unscratched and sniffed" and "scratched and unsniffed."

8*)

Blair

Frank Emanuel

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> You forgot the rare ERROR varieties....
> "unscratched and sniffed" and "scratched and unsniffed."

Each of which would require a certificate of authenticity from a certified
olfactory specialize philatelist.

:-)

Frank


Victor Manta

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Great remembrance! You were lucky, Dave.

As for "...she deserves a stamp. Much more than a Communist anti-American
Mexican artist, clouds..", some nice clouds (and they can be very nice,
trust me, especially when seen in the mountains, from over 2000m) cannot be
compared to Ms. Kahlo. And anyway, her place isn't among them.
--
Victor Manta

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Bhutan's first stamps, fiscals issued in 1954 that became valid for
postage in early 1955, were usable on mail inside Bhutan, to India and
via China to India (I have about 60 such covers). I have photos of
covers from friends in the US who received covers with the
postal/fiscals affixed prior to 1960. From October 1962, on the day
Bhutan's first civil post office opened in Phunstsholing, mail bearing
it's stamps could go anywhere in the world. That a country joins the
UPU later doesn't change anything. UPU rules permits sponsor nations
to transmit mails of third parties not in the UPU. I have hundreds of
covers, including dozens sent to my own address here in the USA from
the days prior to Bhutan's having joined the UPU. No postage due was
EVER charged.

I have a letter from the PO Department Assist PM General stating that
the US accepts the mail of any country as long as that country accepts
the mail of the US. It wasn't until 1964 that Bhutan started to
accept registered mail from anywhere, and within a week, the USPO
began accepting registered mail to Bhutan, and that was before the
days of Bhutan's UPU membership.

By the way, anyone who wants to arrange bulk airmail mail to be sent
from Bhutan to anywhere in the world with some of those "invalid
stamps and souvenir sheets" affixed, and at rates lower than the cost
of a domestic letter within the US, write me.

Regards
L. Nadybal
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Doug Spade

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Aha! The truth is out!
SNA= Superb Nasal Authority.

Mike


Bob Ingraham

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> From: "Victor Manta" <manvi...@yahoo.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.collecting.stamps.discuss
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:25:20 +0200
> Subject: Re: She deserves a stamp

>
> As for "...she deserves a stamp. Much more than a Communist anti-American
> Mexican artist, clouds..", some nice clouds (and they can be very nice,
> trust me, especially when seen in the mountains, from over 2000m) cannot be
> compared to Ms. Kahlo. And anyway, her place isn't among them.
> --
> Victor Manta

A dissenting voice: I'm not sure why the U.S. chose to honor Rita Kahlo on a
stamp in lieu of other subjects, but it seems to me that r.c.s.d. posts
about her are often based on prejudice. It seems to me that Rita Kahlo was
no worse than many of the people who appear on stamps of every country,
including the United States, and was far better than some.

I am not an artist and I know little about art, but not long ago at the
Vancouver Art Gallery I saw a show of Kahlo's work. While much of it I would
not want hanging in my home (along with a lot of art from all ages and
painters), many of her paintings were powerful, very beautiful, and evoked
in me a great many feelings, most of which I can't even begin to put into
words.

The idea of walking in another's shoes is very important here. I don't think
many of us would enjoy a walk in Kahlo's shoes.

Kahlo's injuries from a streetcar accident that happened in her mid- or late
teens, as I recall, were appalling; it is miraculous that she did not die: a
steel rod penetrated her vagina and her uterus, and damaged her spine so
severely that was never again without pain, and was unable to have children.
She continued painting despite huge physical handicaps; her pain, anger,
fear, and regret -- and stoic acceptance -- are evident especially in her
striking self-portraits.

Her political beliefs are hardly surprising in the time and place where she
grew up; Mexico was mired in a class system that left the huge majority of
people without hope. To her credit, she recognized the need for change even
though she herself was a member of the upper class. Communism seemed to
offer a way out, as it did for a great many people in many nations,
including the United States, at that time. (It's useful to recall that
Hitler's first target was not German Jews, but Jewish Communists, who were
seen as a threat to his Third Reich. Later on, he also sent Jews and
homosexuals to the work camps and the gas chambers. Would Kahlo have been
better received in this newsgroup if she had been a Nazi? If she had lived
in Hitler's Germany instead of Mexico, would members of this group rejoice
if she had been "relocated" to the East because of her political beliefs and
sexual preferences?)

I believe that she has been criticized on this newsgroup for being bisexual.
Now there's a bucket of worms that should remain closed! If politically
"correct" sexual orientation and practice is going to become part of the
process of selecting subjects for stamps, or for choosing stamps for our
collections, then we've got a lot of stamps to eliminate from an
increasingly small philatelic universe.

Bob Ingraham

 

Kaleb KEITHLEY

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It's Frida Kahlo, not Rita.

--

Kaleb S. KEITHLEY

Bob Ingraham

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> From: Kaleb KEITHLEY <kalebu...@keithley.org>
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> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:16:23 -0500


> Subject: Re: She deserves a stamp
>
>

> It's Frida Kahlo, not Rita.

Yeesh! I knew that! Didn't I? :^)

Bob

Tracy Barber

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Aren't some plants asexual? :^)

Anyway, I'm still waiting for a Matthew Brady stamp. Hmmpf.

Tracy Barber

Victor Manta

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Returning to the initial context, what I have said is that I doubt that
members of groups like Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, etc. (that cannot appear
on stamps because we don't know if they won't do some bad things after the
issuing of those hypothetical stamps), could be ever equally or more
criminal than this woman.

The major problem with Frida Kahlo is that when Trotsky was murdered in
Mexico by a Stalin's agent, it's FK who facilitated this murder. This is a
largely know (and immoral - because criminal) fact, and nevertheless the US
issued a stamp of her.

Her sexual preferences, her affiliation to Communist party, her admiration
for Stalin, and later for Mao or the quality of her paintings, aren't
crimes, and, therefore, aren't IMO relevant in this context.

Victor Manta

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I didn't mention any name.
Dave

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> > From: "Victor Manta" <manvi...@yahoo.com>
> > Newsgroups: rec.collecting.stamps.discuss
> > Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:25:20 +0200
> > Subject: Re: She deserves a stamp
> >
> > As for "...she deserves a stamp. Much more than a Communist
anti-American
> > Mexican artist, clouds..", some nice clouds (and they can be very nice,
> > trust me, especially when seen in the mountains, from over 2000m) cannot
be
> > compared to Ms. Kahlo. And anyway, her place isn't among them.
> > --
> > Victor Manta
>
> A dissenting voice: I'm not sure why the U.S. chose to honor Rita Kahlo on
a
> stamp in lieu of other subjects, <snipped... sorry Bob>


Dave

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Plant come in all varieties. There are male & female plants. Male & female
flowers on the same plant and of course male and female parts within the
same flower. Ain't nature sumptin?


>
> Anyway, I'm still waiting for a Matthew Brady stamp. Hmmpf.
>
> Tracy Barber

Dave


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