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Victor Manta

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Sep 22, 2018, 8:33:32 PM9/22/18
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New Zealand Post has stopped canceling stamps on mail — at least
temporarily.

A New Zealand Post spokesperson told Linn’s Sept. 18: “New Zealand Post is
currently trialling some new processes to reduce costs, due to the
accelerating mail volume decline, this includes stopping the cancelling of
stamps by processing machines.”

As for concerns about the not-canceled stamps being reused, the spokesperson
said: “While stamps are not currently being machine postmarked, we do have
processes in place to detect the re-use of stamps and postage included
envelopes.

Source:
https://www.linns.com/news/world-stamps-postal-history/2018/september/new-zealand-conducts-trial-stop-cancellation.html?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=Lyris&utm_campaign=DigitalEdition

Victor Manta, PWO

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Sir F.A. Rien

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Sep 23, 2018, 10:39:55 AM9/23/18
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>New Zealand Post has stopped canceling stamps on mail — at least
>temporarily.
>
>A New Zealand Post spokesperson told Linn’s Sept. 18: “New Zealand Post is
>currently trialling some new processes to reduce costs, due to the
>accelerating mail volume decline, this includes stopping the cancelling of
>stamps by processing machines.”
>
>As for concerns about the not-canceled stamps being reused, the spokesperson
>said: “While stamps are not currently being machine postmarked, we do have
>processes in place to detect the re-use of stamps and postage included
>envelopes.
>
>Source:
>https://www.linns.com/news/world-stamps-postal-history/2018/september/new-zealand-conducts-trial-stop-cancellation.html?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=Lyris&utm_campaign=DigitalEdition

Other postal authorities have done some of this canccel 'skipping',
notably Great Britain. The result is 'action' by postal clerks to
'cancel' those stamps using ballpoint pens, sharpies or any other
means at hand, including ripping portions of the stamps 'to deface
against fraud'.

Another gummint 'nail in the coffin' of stamp collecting.

JA

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Victor Manta

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Sep 23, 2018, 7:47:57 PM9/23/18
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"Sir F.A. Rien" wrote in message
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>New Zealand Post has stopped canceling stamps on mail — at least
>temporarily.
>
<<
Other postal authorities have done some of this canccel 'skipping',
notably Great Britain. The result is 'action' by postal clerks to
'cancel' those stamps using ballpoint pens, sharpies or any other
means at hand, including ripping portions of the stamps 'to deface
against fraud'.

Another gummint 'nail in the coffin' of stamp collecting.
>>

This is not about manually damaging the stamps that weren't cancelled by the
standard automatic devices but about somehow marking the stamps as used by a
kind of invisible ink jet spitting device.

You're right about "Another gummint 'nail in the coffin' of stamp
collecting", it's exactly this.

It will open a new collecting era of "Spit or Not Spit stamps". A cheap spit
detecting device (about £199.99) will be sold by Stanley Gibbons to advanced
collectors...

Victor Manta, PWO

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David E. Ross

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Sep 23, 2018, 10:52:46 PM9/23/18
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On 9/22/2018 5:33 PM, Victor Manta wrote:
> New Zealand Post has stopped canceling stamps on mail — at least
> temporarily.
>
> A New Zealand Post spokesperson told Linn’s Sept. 18: “New Zealand Post is
> currently trialling some new processes to reduce costs, due to the
> accelerating mail volume decline, this includes stopping the cancelling of
> stamps by processing machines.”
>
> As for concerns about the not-canceled stamps being reused, the spokesperson
> said: “While stamps are not currently being machine postmarked, we do have
> processes in place to detect the re-use of stamps and postage included
> envelopes.
>
> Source:
> https://www.linns.com/news/world-stamps-postal-history/2018/september/new-zealand-conducts-trial-stop-cancellation.html?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=Lyris&utm_campaign=DigitalEdition
>
> Victor Manta, PWO

I live in California in the Unite States. Tax and fee payments to both
the federal and state governments are considered paid on time if they
are mailed with cancellations not later than the due date.

I will have a property (real estate) tax payment to my county due on 10
December. As long as the envelope contains a postmark dated 10 December
or earlier, I incur no penalty for a late payment even if the US Postal
Service does not deliver the envelope two weeks later.

If there is no cancellation, how do I prove I mailed the payment on time?

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Pierre COURTIADE

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Sep 24, 2018, 1:52:47 AM9/24/18
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Thank you Victor, Sir F.A. Rien and David for this very interesting
discussion that I am relaying to the french speaking newsgroup on
philately :
news:fr.rec.philatelie

Il will post here later on (I am leaving for 15 days) a summary
of the discussions on the french speaking ng.

BTW, I would appreciate to understand what you mean,
"Sir F.A. Rien" with 'gummint' as my dictionnaries have not been
of any help :-(

I would also appreciate - if acceptable for you - to get a valid e-mail
address.
Mine is "courtiade at free dot fr"

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All the best,
Pierre Courtiade

Sir F.A. Rien

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Sep 24, 2018, 12:13:40 PM9/24/18
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"gummint" => "Gummed up governmental bureaucracy".

Sir F.A. Rien

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Sep 24, 2018, 12:16:21 PM9/24/18
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Options include:
Obtaining a 'Proof Of Mailing"
Having the clerk use the counter canceller in your presence.
Sending by tracked means.

Sir F.A. Rien

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Sep 24, 2018, 12:18:58 PM9/24/18
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On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 19:47:54 -0400, "Victor Manta"
<manvic_...@yahoo.com> sharpened a crayon and wrote:

>"Sir F.A. Rien" wrote in message
>news:v79fqd5dc9sku9c69...@4ax.com...
>
>>New Zealand Post has stopped canceling stamps on mail — at least
>>temporarily.
>>
><<
>Other postal authorities have done some of this canccel 'skipping',
>notably Great Britain. The result is 'action' by postal clerks to
>'cancel' those stamps using ballpoint pens, sharpies or any other
>means at hand, including ripping portions of the stamps 'to deface
>against fraud'.
>
>Another gummint 'nail in the coffin' of stamp collecting.
>>>
>
>This is not about manually damaging the stamps that weren't cancelled by the
>standard automatic devices but about somehow marking the stamps as used by a
>kind of invisible ink jet spitting device.
>
>You're right about "Another gummint 'nail in the coffin' of stamp
>collecting", it's exactly this.
>
>It will open a new collecting era of "Spit or Not Spit stamps". A cheap spit
>detecting device (about £199.99) will be sold by Stanley Gibbons to advanced
>collectors...
>
If that 'detector' works as well as their watermark detectors ...
ROTFLMAO!

BTW, have you checked a 'black light' on the spit?
Perhaps another usage of Luminol [or similar]?

KenK

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Sep 24, 2018, 1:51:19 PM9/24/18
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"Victor Manta" <manvic_...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> This is not about manually damaging the stamps that weren't cancelled
> by the standard automatic devices but about somehow marking the stamps
> as used by a kind of invisible ink jet spitting device.
>

Sounds to me like cancelling is about the same effort. Then why stop
cancelling normally. Maybe sometning about cancellation dates?


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Jan-Martin Hertzsch

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Nov 9, 2018, 3:53:52 AM11/9/18
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On 9/23/18 2:33 AM, Victor Manta wrote:
> New Zealand Post has stopped canceling stamps on mail — at least
> temporarily.
>
> A New Zealand Post spokesperson told Linn’s Sept. 18: “New Zealand Post
> is currently trialling some new processes to reduce costs, due to the
> accelerating mail volume decline, this includes stopping the cancelling
> of stamps by processing machines.”
>

Apparently, the experiment of not cancelling the stamps was cancelled
after a few days. According to a source which I have forgotten in the
meantime, on 8 October 2018 stamp cancellation should have resumed.

-jmh
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